06.Sep.2015 General Thread, Take 2

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That last one was an amazing read, but it was getting slow to load.

I just saw here NE fans are already mad about the pass/run ratio. Lol. Those poor bast–

Start the early MI talk or anything else…

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  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Beavs are 14 pt dogs. Seems reasonable, although I dont think we saw our true offense in the last game. TE’s were barely have involved, and during the offseason Baldwin talked about how important TE is to his offense. Also, the fact Collins connected once late on the deep ball ( should have been twice ) will help spread the defense out hopefully.

    • GoBeavs92 says:
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      I think we’ll cover that spread but unfortunately with a loss by 11. There are a few factors here that are against us but one beyond anyone’s control is Weather- I’ve mentioned it before, unless the Beavs are practicing out in the rain, this will be a disadvantage more so than for Michigan. There is so much more action in the Beavs Spread Option than in Michigan’s “Stanford-Esque” Power run game. We have guys sweeping laterally with fakes or gives to them and vice versa to the RBs as well. I think Collins was very good throwing the ball last weekend (when he set his feet-no real pressure) but this week he will face pressure quite a bit and probably when they only rush four as well as blitz! Then you have him; not setting his feet, wet ball and facing pressure, that’s a recipe for disaster.

      There are a few guys from Michigan that I’m concerned about; DB Peppers, TE Butt, Their starting RB (I think number 4) and they have a receiver that reportedly has P Lucas type speed. #4 is a beast. He is never brought down by the first one or two guys and his numbers looked bad in that last game but Utah usually got some good penetration and had him for a loss but he turned it into + yards several times when he should have lost 5 or so yards. Like when he was at Stanford, I bet Harbaugh pounds the running game and keeps throwing those one step hitches (that are really overall ineffective but they set up the slot receiver/TE/etc. for a “wheel route” or a pump and go) and thy may get one or two big plays on us in the passing game. TE Butt is big and athletic and will be a complete mismatch for our LBs and Safeties. If Rudock plays better (limits TOs, not forcing the ball, etc) that could be a nightmare for the Beavs who will be struggling to contain the power run game. I think if the Beaver defense does their job (if you’re a Safety running C2 or C3- don’t fly up to help with the run unless you read there is no passing threat) etc. we will hold Michigan in check (keep the game close) most of the game. I think the Beavs will turn the ball over 2-3 times but I think we will get 1 or 2 on defense from them as well. I also think this is going to be a fist fight, toughest team wins. It will be close most of the game but their physicality and talent will be too much by the 4th quarter, 21-10. Neither team will score 30 or more unless there are some complete let downs (multi-blown coverages, arm tackle attempts all game, extra sloppy turnovers that lead directly to points, etc.). I still think the Beavs can learn some great things from this game (win or lose) and it can be a confidence builder either way, depending upon how they respond.

      Still hoping for a Beaver victory.

      Go Beavs!

  • cj cj says:
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    Go Beavs!

  • mckalk says:
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    Here’s an interesting article in the Omaha paper. There’s what I interpet as a “soft threat” to Biley about what worked in Corvallis won’t work in LIncoln.

    http://www.omaha.com/huskers/shatel-plenty-to-fix-for-mike-riley-s-crew-but/article_82d23fcf-c195-5022-b7d8-d0b33771c8ba.html

    • wannabeav says:
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      Man, that article is just chocked full of gems: (1) Riley needs to establish an IDENTITY more suitable to Lincoln than Corvallis. (Response: identity is us). (2) writer had penciled in a 10-2 record. (Response: welcome to the 9-win cap). (3) Nebraska isn’t used to have TO’s left at the end of the game. (Response: enjoy the timeout circus).

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        The writer clealy ignores what even Riley says of his teams…..that THEY need to find an identity — he doesnt even try to give them one. But then they are ignoring a lot about Riley, esp that nowdays he is just a mediocre coach who gets mediocre results. They are still riding the media hype that Riley is a great coach. He aint — not nowdays, if he ever was….

    • Jack says:
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      Caption on the photo says Bike Smiley is yelling at a player during a TO. Caption does not say how Bike Smiley has no clue how to use said time outs… or when to use.

      It’s too bad time management wasn’t one of our major gripes over the years. We might have had something to complain about while enjoying the luxury that was more than we could have asked.

  • OrangeFlush OrangeFlush says:
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    Maybe I’m just a neophyte despite having been a college football fan all my life. I mean, I don’t watch tape, I don’t really look at a guys mechanics, I don’t seek out stats looking for comparisons. I’m more of a gut feel kinda guy, and I LIKE Seth Collins.

    Is he a little crazy? Crazy in a good way if you ask me. Hes brash, boastful, plays with complete abandon (to the chagrin of his coaches no doubt), and has the potential, imho, to be a program changer for OSU. I would compare him a little to Johnny Manziel. Hes the kind of guy you catch yourself shaking your head at, but at the same time you are glad hes on your favorite team, rather than your opponents.

    If he can manage to stay healthy, I expect him to seriously compete for the Heisman, maybe even as soon as next year. That’s what my gut tells me, for what its worth.

    Nebraska/Biley: I felt like I was watching my team win the national championship watching that game. I don’t like that I’m a spiteful person sometimes, but damn that felt good. Ive lost friends over my past comments about Biley, and now I feel a little vindication.

    Also, I have really been enjoying watching the complete meltdown on the Husker fan sites. All those things Pelini said about the “fucking fairweather fans”…they all came out of the woodwork yesterday and I admit a perverse joy in watching them all flail about.

    • angry angry says:
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      Collins confidence is an asset. He grew on me last game. But I need to see him perform like that vs a real opponent before getting too excited. I can see comparisons with Keaton and envision that type of player at some point if all goes right.

      Andersen comes from the Urban Meyer school of thought where they want a RB who can play QB. And that makes sense since it pressures the D, but not if the guy is inefficient. So it comes down to how efficient can Collins be as a passer? If he completes 65% of passes he’s going to dominate the league (until he gets hurt). He’s way too frail to be running as much as he does.

      We’ll get a ton of answers this weekend, but still not the complete picture. I think we won’t know what the QBs are for a while, maybe midway through the year.

      • Jack says:
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        I need to not get invested in any QB because we’re going to see many this fall.

    • mckalk says:
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      Spite is good, spite is right. Spite wins every time.

      • helmsley says:
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        So true, but in a politically correct world people pretend it isn’t.

        • Jack says:
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          Huh? First of all, spite is simply being anti-something. It’s not original. Second, huh?

          • mckalk says:
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            I’ve been anti-Duck all my life, I guess I’m spiteful.

          • Jim says:
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            So, you’ve been spiteful, and the Ducks have won. Might want to rethink the correctness of spite.

    • wannabeav says:
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      Angry put it well deep into the previous thread. The reason seeing Nebraska lose is so gratifying is because everything we are truly attached to as OSU fans: the school, the community, our allegiance–was trashed by the Riley apologist crowd (Goe, Schnell, Parker) to explain away his recent lack of success. I also hadn’t enjoyed the outcome of a game so much as last year’s championship when Oregon lost

      • Jack says:
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        Do not forget Pollyanna. They trashed the school/town/state more than the yokels you name because they confirmed it all.

    • scotty says:
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      It’s okay, OrangeFlush. Those feelings mean you’re human and not just a toilet post-Chipotle

      • Jack says:
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        Wait… you’re going to pick on Chipotle for digestion? I don’t go anywhere in this food desert. But Chipotle is one I would consider in a pinch. I’ve not eaten their food. So there’s that.

        Then again, you may be 150% correct, and this town sucks food-wise more than I think it does.

        • scotty says:
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          People seem to like Chipotle, but it often makes me sick. I was going to put Taco Bell at first based on rep, but it’s been good in my experience

          Facts over narrative – I’m such a rebel

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    So, in the game on Friday, how much do y’all think the OSU offense was scripted (i.e. a list of plays written down to be run in order)? It seemed pretty vanilla and some of the play calls seemed questionable… but I wonder (for example) if the pick-six play was just the next one on the list.

    • Jack says:
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      The pick six should have been a dive. It’s what is run from your end zone on first down. If not that, then a fade fly when everyone expects you to dive.

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    And while there are only a couple of comments posted, let me ask: why does it seem like there is an increase in the number of posts where a person intentionally misspells someone’s name they don’t like as a form of derision? Didn’t that go out of style when we were 10? The impact is much greater if one would just state their case intelligently.

    • mckalk says:
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      “Biley” is one of the nicknames decided upon for the combination of Riley/Banker. I believe it carries an allusion of the bile we have sometimes felt rise from our insides watching Beav football of recent vintage. I think “Ranker” is another acceptable term. Nicknames, not intentional misspellings.

      • marcodg marcodg says:
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        Hah… that’s actually kinda funny. Like Bennifer only context appropriate. I’ll refrain from it but will, in this case at least, be entertained.

      • mckalk says:
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        Really, I’m negged on this comment? It’s just stating an agreed upon fact! Are we getting Husker lurkers in here now????

        • scotty says:
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          Don’t worry, angrybeavs votes still not redeemable for cash. Otherwise Jack would be in bankruptcy court

    • OrangeFlush OrangeFlush says:
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      childish? perhaps. It does however convey the authors (in this case mine) tone of disgust for someone. I’m not sure but I believe I was the one who originally suggested the use of “Biley” as it was the perfect description for how I felt (and still feel to some degree) about the duo.

      Additionally, this is a blog site, not an officially sanctioned media outlet. We share a certain camaraderie and familiarity here. I think that warrants a certain amount of liberty. However, if I were on a competitors blog, say a duck or huskers fan site, I wouldn’t use such terms to deride an opposing player or coach for the sake of a cheap “gotcha”.

      That’s my take anyway, for what its worth.

      • Numbers says:
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        I agree, not really childish when used to more clearly communicate. If a reader can more easily understand my level of dissatisfaction by misspelling a name, than I would say I am more effectively communicating my view. But I’m not above accepting your view that my ability to use the English language is underdeveloped. There is always room for improvement, but I am partial to the puns.

        As to the Ranker/Biley. We had a couple threads a time ago in this board were consensus was reached to use those terms. There was a whole nomination, open discussion, voting, the whole bit. Very official.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        However, if I were on a competitors blog, say a duck or huskers fan site, I wouldn’t use such terms to deride an opposing player or coach for the sake of a cheap “gotcha”.

        Duck fan would. 100 out of 100 times

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Does this mean you’d object to the use of Langsdork too?

  • angry angry says:
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    Guys, Nebraska football took a major step forward:
    http://nebraska.247sports.com/Board/142/Contents/Nebraska-football-took-a-major-step-forward–39215218

    LOL

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      What I think the Nebraska fans miss is that during the second half BYU was driving and a misread by the QB lead to an INT. had the BYU QB had the correct read he would have completed the pass for a big gain and probably lead to another score and maybe put the game away. Secondly, what nobody mentions is that the starter broke his foot and the remaining 2nd half had a backup in, I think that lead to more of the defensive success then the scheme or or of their play. Also, BYU lost their best NT to injury, which as soon as he went out they found more success running the ball.

      Not seeing much on their poor ST play either.

      It will be interesting to monitor their feelings as the season progresses. I don’t know how good Miami is but a lose there and an 0-2 start, could get the fans change their minds.

      • OrangeFlush OrangeFlush says:
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        spot on.

        Its amazing how the mind wants to rationalize and make sense of something that just simply isn’t there.

      • mckalk says:
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        It’s too much for Husker fans to contemplate for one game. It had everything rolled into one….Banker was defeated by a mobile QB AND a 2nd string QB all in one game! NU fans were killed before they even realized they were dead.

        For clarification….they play South Alabama, so unless the college football apocalypse is upon us, they should be 1-1 after next weekend.

      • Jack says:
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        Ha!

        I was lurking on one of their forums, and they were talking about run/pass balance. Remember how they tried to fudge the numbers to make it seem Riley ran the ball more than he did? Well, some of them figured it out. They were complaining that the pass/run balance was 52/48. Then they were complaining that it felt like 90/10.

        Welcome to your reality NU. I have not typed “Run the damn ball,” multiple times over the years because it was just an amusing thing for me to say. Ask anyone here. I can fill any shelf with amusing things to say. 12-6-14.

    • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Just wow. That’s an extremely ignorant fan rationalization considering there were no “in game adjustments”

      • angry angry says:
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        The in-game adjustment line was hilarious and caught my eye as well. I’m surprised they didn’t list “masterful use of timeouts”

        • Jack says:
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          Now we know why he was saving those time outs… not that we haven’t talked about it for almost a decade.

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      there’s one comment in there that jumped out at me–about how improved the Nebraska WR play is. That will resonate with those of us who have followed Riley, or perhaps more accurately, been forced to follow Riley. Indeed, at the end, I concluded that the only two positions Riley actually cared about was his QB/WR connection. I mean, that’s all that worked from 2010 forward, and even then intermittently. Even if he could WIN a game on the ground (thinking Alamo bowl here) he chose to monkey around with the air game because that’s his “identity.”

      • Jack says:
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        You are correct. And that’s why we had 7 QBs (well… 6) and truly one of the most talented WR corps in the nation. Anyone who thinks our WRs are not awesome is just a moron. The problem is that you might not ever see them play with our new shiny QB.

        This begs the question. If a running QB makes you account for 11, how many do you need to track if he can’t nail a receiver?

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          I’m too thick to understand the last paragraph.

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            The theory behind a scrambling QB is that you have to cover 11 players. If the QB won’t throw to one or two players ever, why cover 11?

  • Bill says:
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    My two day after review of the game,

    Collins – It’s clear he’s not being asked to make difficult throws. His first pass of the game was a slant or in route and he missed it badly. The rest of the throws were either screens, dump offs or fades down the sideline. He’ll be lucky if he reaches 55% completion rate on the year. He’s got a better arm than advertised. Threw the ball to Bolden 55 yards in the air on a very good line. Didn’t float at all. Designed runs looked good. Doesn’t look like he’s being asked to slide.

    McMaryion – Victim of a tough playcall. Forced the ball when it was clear the play was unraveling. I expect to see more of him in the SJSU game.

    O-line played as well as you could expect. A few penalties to clean up. Run game looked good. Avg 5 yards per carry.

    WRs played fine. Looked a little slow at times. I can’t recall any drops.

    Defense played exactly what you would expect against a fcs school. Weber St only crossed midfield twice. 0-13 on third down. Allowed no points.

    Special teams – Dockery took a few more chances than prior punt returners. Owens was on all game but also kicked a few kickoffs a little short. Porebski had 2 bad punts but otherwise looked fine.

    All in all, while starting slow and never really getting into gear, the team played well. Left a lot of opportunities on offense on the field.

    Tough game next week. Harbaugh’s first home game. Crowd should be amped. Teams tend to play better at home and the Beavs will be playing early.

    Defense will win the game next week. Kind of the same game plan as last week. Run run run and then pass. The athletes chasing Collins next week will be much much better so he’ll have to be smarter. Get the yards he can and get down. Don’t open himself up to the big hit where he could fumble.

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      I also would not characterized Collins debut as dazzling like the Oregonian. It was ok, more promising than anything.

      And I just remembered the Beavs are featured on the Drive. Curious to see some of the behind the scenes action.

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      “Doesn’t look like he’s being asked to slide. ”

      GA was asked after the game if SC would be seeing baseballs in his locker as a reminder to slide. GA mentioned that he texted SC the night before and talking specifically about knowing when to slide. He talked about how competitive SC is and wants to get every yard on the plays. The challenge to the staff is to real in that “competitiveness ” and know when to be smart and also take advantage of his athleticism. The one play that sticks out to me is when he lowered his shoulder and took on a defender instead of running out of bounds, he is not as big as Andrew Luck who could run over defenders, those are learning experiences. Hopefully, his lesson isn’t learned while he sits out games due to an injury.

      ” I can’t recall any drops”

      Villamin had a drop on a fly pattern down the sideline about the 20yd line (right in front of me) he had both hands on it but couldn’t come down with it. It was a good enough pass and should have been caught, but he also wasn’t able get separation from the defender. I think Bolden had a drop as well although I cant recall. Sands had a pass go right through his hands but it came in hot and high so its probably more on the QB. I thought WR were inconsistent in all phases, routes, blocking and catching.

      : Dockery took a few more chances than prior punt returners”

      I thought Dockery had a good game returning and was aggressive when it was there and conservative when it wasn’t. He had one fair catch in traffic where he made a piroquet sp? and could’ve lead to a fumble but he hung on. Owens, Porebski, and long snapper all performed well.

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      “I can’t recall any drops.”

      You mentioned the 55 yarder to Bolden above. That was a dropped touchdown on a perfectly thrown ball.

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      O-line played as well as you could expect. A few penalties to clean up. Run game looked good. Avg 5 yards per carry.

      I think a lot of people don’t realize how good the O-line was. A couple holding calls were just BS. Isaac won’t get another procedure call all year. We only ran A gaps and sweeps except for Brown doing a little off-tackle work late. But that is his strength, and the rest is silly.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    This is messed up. These kids assaulted a ref in plain view during a highschool game, and it was obviously planned.

    http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2562066-san-antonio-hs-football-players-hit-referee-on-video-latest-comments-reaction

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      that’s pretty fucked up.

    • angry angry says:
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      Is there any follow up? I want to know what happened to those players. Hopefully coaches have a blacklist

      The ref should file an assault lawsuit.

      • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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        Agreed, that ref should file assault charges. that is disgusting behavior

    • Jack says:
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      Weird. It looks like they were trying to replace the kids when it happened too. Wtf did the ref do that even suggested they target him? I’m not saying he deserved anything. But refs talk to players during the game if they’re pretending to do their job or actually doing it. How do we think this relationship ended?

  • Numbers says:
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    I keep reading that Seth Collins is frail. Can someone explain in what way he is more frail than say someone like Ben Roethlisberger? Obviously there is a substantial size difference, but I fail to see the direct connection to frailty. Of course there is the physics of momentum in collisions. But that only relates yardage, whether the guy gets launched or stands his ground…

    But from purely a bones, soft tissue & muscle ligament view, I don’t see it. In fact, you could argue that less bulk and weight on things like knees makes him more durable than a player of greater size executing his same style.

    Is a lightweight guy more or less likely to get a concussion running headlong into a solid brick wall?- I’d argue weight is no factor there.

    • angry angry says:
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      Muscle is padding/shielding that absorbs the blow. Collins is lean. So while he is “ripped”, it’s all lean muscle without any padding.

      It’s not going to matter with certain types of injuries. But anything involving collisions it matters.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      “I keep reading that Seth Collins is frail. Can someone explain in what way he is more frail than say someone like Ben Roethlisberger?”

      Seriously??? Dude, Rapelisberger is 6′-5″ and weighs roughly 240 lbs according to his espn bio. That’s like comparing a toothpick to a bedpost

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        I chose the extreme comparison on purpose. Big Ben has had plenty of concussion induced fumbles and injuries. Collins style is very dangerous and he will likely end up injured. But it’s purely the style and not the athlete that is susceptible to injury. I have not done enough imaging on humans to be able to identify fragility. Size and durability are not equivalent. The style of play is the factor.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        I think its actually harder to injure a lean, slim player than a bulky, heavy one. The bulky one takes a hit and the body part that takes the hit gets more of it, because the inertia of the bulk doesnt allow it to move as much. The lean body takes the hit and the whole body rebounds. Also, the lean one is more flexible and absorbs a hit better.

        Bottom line is, some bodies are very hard to hurt…..some get hurt easily. So I dont think its a given that small size is automatically more susceptible to injury.

        That said, we still dont know if Collins, for instance, is one of those resilient bodies that wont get hurt easily. He might be, though, and surprise us. One thing is certain….we will find out — he will take hits. I hope he is, and can last and develop — might be a great one if he does.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      This is physical game and he plays it with physical style. Those hits add up, deep bruises and bone bruises all contribute to being less than 100% that could effect range of motion and ones ability to throw accurate and with enough zip, or run with the same burst. Think Lyle Moveao who dinged up his shoulder and played during the CW game and couldn’t throw the out pattern with enough zip to get it out there fast enough. The bigger and stronger you are allows the player to overcome those injuries quicker or at least not lose their effectiveness.

    • Sandiegobeav says:
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      Any boxing fans around here? I am and there is no way a middleweight could take a punch from a heavyweight like another heavyweight could. That is a fact.

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        Dont think so. Trick of taking a punch is to give with it. Reflexes and limberness are factors. That said, two bodies that dont give, the bigger, heavier, thicker one might well “take” a body blow better. But it might not. its not a simple thing.

        Head punches are another tricky thing–some folks take a head blow and are not fazed … others take an equivalent one, and are out like a light.

        Probably the most important factor in getting injured, or not, is your individual physiology. Some bodies have weak parts (even in super athletes) and some dont. Bones are not equally strong, even in two guys of the same size, wt, and build. Some folks cramp more easily. And so on.

        Then there is the business of reacting the wrong way — so many people, in falling, try to stop the fall with an outstretched arm…..when they should just let their body hit the ground and roll. Thus….broken wrist, finger, whatever.

        We will see, with Collins, because he likes to go for it. I hope he is the non-injoury prone type. But if he is, well, we move on with whoever…

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        Dont think so. Trick of taking a punch is to give with it. Reflexes and limberness are factors. That said, two bodies that dont give, the bigger, heavier, thicker one might well “take” a body blow better. But it might not. its not a simple thing.

        Head punches are another tricky thing–some folks take a head blow and are not fazed … others take an equivalent one, and are out like a light.

        Probably the most important factor in getting injured, or not, is your individual physiology. Some bodies have weak parts (even in super athletes) and some dont. Bones are not equally strong, even in two guys of the same size, wt, and build. Some folks cramp more easily. And so on.

        Then there is the business of reacting the wrong way — so many people, in falling, try to stop the fall with an outstretched arm…..when they should just let their body hit the ground and roll. Thus….broken wrist, finger, whatever.

        We will see, with Collins, because he likes to go for it. I hope he is the non-injoury prone type. But if he is, well, we move on with whoever…

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        Almost missed this for the other silliness.

        There’s a reason there are weight classes. Did someone try to argue that it should be a free-for-all?

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      Ben does not run.

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      You’re seriously asking why a running QB is a fleeting idea? I get the greenstick theory. It doesn’t stop injury. It only makes healing better.

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    Since we’re in a general thread, anybody here seen Whiplash?

    It’s fantastic. Think Full Metal Jacket boot camp meets jazz music.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iF3A1cmcPDM

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      I did. I thought it was a compelling film.

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        I want to. I’m a huge Don Ellis fan.

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          Aside from the story and the superb acting, the sound editing is great too. Do yourself a favor and watch with a good sound system, or headphones

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            We watched it tonite. It is great. I rarely watch newer movies, because most of the time I get sick of the films preaching at me. Thanks for reminding me about this movie. The playing is fantastic on the soundtrack.

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            I love that movie. The music is great and the tension between the characters really comes through.

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          Really? Don Ellis?

          I won’t argue. It is what it is.

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      Loved the film, even though I thought the ending was kind of on the sad side.

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      This looks good, going to watch it tonight.

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      It’s pretty good… I guess. It’s not about jazz, which is what I hoped it would be. But jazz made them strip it down. So that’s good.

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        I should be a little fair. The movie is sneaky good. But it’s less about music than Finding Forrester is about basketball. So don’t pretend those aspects have anything to do with the greatness or something of a film. The soundtrack is cool. But it seems since LS&SB came out producers discovered they were paying their second cousin’s nephew for nothing.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    Seems like Week 1 could not have gone much better.

    Beavs won without revealing much to Harbaugh (while learning a lot from Michigan’s loss to Utah, where Harbaugh held nothing back).

    Seth Collins got a lot of valuable full-speed game experience, and confirmed that he has a big upside if he can stay healthy and keep improving his decision-making and passing skills. McM got limited snaps, but still got valuable experience. (McM has already proven himself a smart, resilient kid — he’ll be more ready when his next chance comes.)

    The O-line got a wake-up call, which it appears to have needed. The O-line must play better against Michigan, and I think it will.

    The defense got confirmation that it is on the right track. Film from the Weber State game should enable Sitake to better evaluate his personnel and figure out which players can best execute the schemes he wants to use against Michigan. Same goes for special teams (which performed quite well against Weber State).

    And then, to top it off, Nebraska’s opening game proved that AB was right all along about Riley and Banker and Langsdorf and Cav. When Riley showed up at the post-game press conference with that trademark embarrassed/nervous smile on his face, I cringed. Same old Riley. At least some Husker fans are already starting to realize what an awful mistake it was to hire old man Riley and his sorry crew of underperforming, longtime loyalists. Poor Huskers — but their loss is our gain.

    Go Beavs!

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      Good points about McM. One more thing on Collins, ball security……unless he changes the way he carries the ball we are gonna see more fumbles when he takes off.

      I continue to believe the D will keep the Beavs in most, if not all, games. If the confirmation they received Friday was without holding any schemes back, fine. OTOH, if there are schemes held back for MI (as I suspect) then the D is now even more bought in to what Sitake and his crew are selling.

      IMHO, a fast start for the D will rattle the MI QB, no matter which one starts. The guy from last week got tagged pretty good a couple times that I saw and he isn’t likely to put that int completely out of his mind.

      EDIT..ADD: Here’s a link to a story on Harbaugh defending Rudock, after reading this it seems likely Rudock will start…or begin doubting the words of his coach.
      http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=Jim-Harbaugh-defends-Jake-Rudock-after-3-interceptions-in-loss-at-Utah

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    So is this like a victory lap thread? Hip hip hooray!

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      speaking of which, in his post game column Canzano mentioned that one of the differences in the Anderson era is that “hip hip hooray” has been replaced by an exclamatory “Champs!” That reminds me of the first thing I noticed about the last change, from Erickson to Riley. Dennis’s mantra was “our goal is to compete for the pac -10 championship;” which his team did, and in a manner won it in 2000. Riley NEVER said anything remotely like that, even when he inherited Dennis’s squad. That should have been the tip-off right there.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    I posted this at the end of the last thread-

    I wonder if Riley really believed the bullshit all along about him being a great coach and Corvallis being the problem, and he thought coming to Nebraska and having “real athletes and facilities” would somehow change his obvious ineptitude.

    Now he could be coming to the realization that the problem is that he and his cronies suck shit, and his new job comes with a rabid fan base and high expectations. He certainly has that deer in the headlights look about him, not that that’s anything new.

    It would be a strange turn if underneath the Simple Jack gum chewing idiot was an arrogant delusional asshole that really does think he’s all that. It would explain his historical lack of personal accountability.

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      I don’t think Riley is coming the realization that he and his cronies are the problem. He lived in the universe that is the polar opposite to AB, wherein he believed what Goe, Lindsay, Parker, Preece, had to say about his capabilities and management of the OSU program. He won’t realize it until he’s fired, because, truly, does anyone here think he will retire from his position in Nebraska?

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        It’s pretty ridiculous.

        You go to Nebraska, a program with money and high expectations. So what do you do? Do you make a run at Muschamp? Other big proven names for assistants? No, you stick with Mark freaking Banker and the rest of the old boys club. The loyalty is to be admired in a way, but on the other hand, he has a duty to do his best for Nebraska. Anything less by throwing bones to old pals is ripping the Huskers off.

        How Nebraska is okay with this, I have no idea. Watching yesterday, it truly is (Riley’s) Oregon State East.

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      honestly? I think the game has just passed him by. He’s still trying to use the same shit he got by with when he was a “younger, brilliant offensive mind”. Even the best idea at OSU in the last 10 years wasn’t his (the fly sweep). You’re either striving to improve or you get left behind. He’s a dinosaur. I compare it to a game of chess. Move, counter move. Move, counter move.

      Either that’ll make sense or come across as delusional and borderline psychotic. You pick

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        honestly, yes. I agree with your critique of what’s wrong with his system and execution of it, but no, I don’t honestly think that Riley believes the game has passed him by. He had too much adulation in Corvallis to think otherwise. Heck, McDonough lavished praise all over the timed routes to the sideline for 3.5 hours just yesterday. He eats that up.

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        Imo Riley lost his “brilliant offensive mind” when Paul Chryst left Corvallis.

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      Dont think so — if he is an arrogant delusional Ahole I think he would have shown glimpses of that in public. Ego is a powerful thing. I think he really is a high power in regard to pocket passer offense. Once upon a time that meant something in college ball. If there is a delusion, its him thinking he can still make that dominate. Its like an old single wing coach trying to maintain the T formation is just a fad.

      I think he is definitely slipping in mental capacity, whatever the cause. I dont recall him being so guber-like in interviews. He was always a little slow in talking, but it wasnt always almost gibberish and stumbling like nowdays. Am I remembering right?

      If that is true, he himself may still think he is doing fine, because he is in fact still doing the best he can — but that is now like the old junker used car lot slogan: … Our best is none too good!

      I think he is due for mental collapse at some point.

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        I dont recall him being so guber-like in interviews.

        Really? I stopped watching him five years ago because he is. I can verbatim his babble, and you all will think it’s just me being me. Dude is lost and has been for a while.

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    Any ideas for little techie things for AB? What would be a cool feature?

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    replay on now.

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    Damn, just a perfect Labor Day weekend, although I could use a sleep deprived Jerry Lewis telethon meltdown right about now, but I guess I’ll settle for watching the MR post-game press conference one more time!

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    To: Assistant Coaches

    From: MR

    That first game may have exposed us and our little scam. Who would have thought BYU would call a “Hale Joseph” on the last play. Really Mark, don’t feel bad.

    With increased scrutiny it is very important that we create the illusion of being hard at work. Therefore effective immediately all lights in the football offices are to remain on all night. I don’t care when you leave, just leave the lights on. Sort of like that corny motel guy says.

    Also… there must be a reasonable number of cars, and one bike, in the parking lot all night. Please arrange for your spouses or sa’s to discreetly pick you up a block or two from the office.

    Remember our plan is to milk this gig for at least three years. MR

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    Since I don’t have cable this was a bit of a surprise to me especially being posted on a site like ZeroHedge.

    ESPN: Cutting The Cord Or Political Turn Off?
    Submitted by Mark St.Cyr,
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-06/espn-cutting-cord-or-political-turn

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      A link and summary are fine. You don’t need to post the entire article. (DMCA’d!)

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      WOW… an Jackian effort. JB

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      I think people are sick of watching bobble heads and parrots. ESPN has a narrow world view.
      That’s why I tuned out. Cable monopolies/poor price points don’t help. Thing is, they’ll just control the internet and screw people there. Since we’re a social species, we can’t tune out entirely.

    • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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      It’s not just ESPN. For too long, most news outlets have been injecting politics and their own opinions into their coverage. Just take a look at Gamergate, for example.

    • Jack says:
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      After all, media is, and always will be, the king of “inflated” numbers.

      Yeah… said someone in the media… without bias. So fucking sick of this shit idea. If you think the media sucks, then you don’t know where to find an idea. That’s a you problem.

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    Watching the tivoed game… didn’t Bolden break his finger last year on the exact same type of drop he had in the end zone fri?

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    This weeks game, the thing that makes me worry is the early morning start. The East coast travel is bad enough, let alone starting at 9am Pacific time. Michigan’s travel to Utah was only over two time zones and it started at 5:30pm. That may prove to be huge disadvantage. But I think the two teams are very even.

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      I think the biggest concern might how well the offense does against a better Defense. Can they run the ball between the tackles effectively enough to set up the pass. Can the wideouts get open?

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        Utah was not able to run the ball through the teeth of the Mich defense very much. Davontae Booker had a rather quiet game. I think he had around 65 yards rushing total.

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          which is about what Woods had against Weber St. We will need to get that same production if not more. We don’t have an experience passer to get 200 yds passing it. However, if we can run enough up the middle and pass enough to keep the safeties off the line the Read option might be effective enough for SC running.

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            Don’t forget that Brown had almost as many yards as Woods as the second back, which definitely did not happen in Utah’s game. Brown and Woods also had a better yard per carry average than Booker. But, I do think that the running backs should have performed better and will find it tougher against Michigan.

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            Whiskey has it right. Booker and Utah’s mentality make it a bad thing for our run game comparatively. The good is that we didn’t have one. So we won’t have a disappointment.

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        The wideouts are a good point. I didn’t think they got a lot of separation for most of the game except on the Bolden drop. I expected a few “running free” type of plays against lesser compettion, but it may be the offense.

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      The team is flying out a day early this week. This should help. They are also conducting their walkthrough around game time on Friday.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    I know it was posted yesterday, but the irony is simply beautiful. MR loses to the quacks again.
    Quarterback Terry Wilson has switched his commitment from Nebraska to Oregon.

  • BeaverQB BeaverQB says:
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    How about the Duckies giving up 42 points to Eastern Washington? Could this be a long season for them, or is EWU’s offense just that good?

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      The beauty of living out of state is that you don’t have to face duck fans constantly and thus pay much less attention to their affairs

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      And yes. I do believe they are on the downward slide. But seeing how long it has taken Shaw to destroy Stanford, I am hesitant to say they’ll suck this year

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        I’m disappointed that it looks like we can’t count on Stanford to shut the Ducks up anymore. They silenced “natty coversation” a couple of times for us. Maybe Cal will give them a battle with that passing attack? The Huskies always shit their pants against the Ducks.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        They have begun their slide. They’re slowly straying from their show no mercy score as many points as possible Chip Kelly days. They’ve been lining up to go for 2 for years. Lined right up and kicked the pat every time vs EWU.

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      Unless they replace their D Coord., I think they will start sliding. IMO, Mariota propped up the offense to fill the gap from Kelly leaving. That’s gone now. I think their O line will be overwhelmed at MSU, leaving VA to run for his life. Meanwhile, the D seems to be a sieve, particularly against a veteran QB and decent receivers. They seem to be getting worse at the fundamentals that Pellum preaches about.

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    Hey, Husker fan here. Not much of a fan of Riley before yesterday or since hired. Been checking this site on and off since. Great board and certainly honest insight that can’t be gleaned from the delusional Husker boards. Fill me in on what else to expect besides excessive penalties and inept running game.

    • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Poor special teams play, lack of commitment to a running game, awful play clock management and at least 4 losses per season.

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        ST haven’t been that bad. They just haven’t been special… except for backward punts.

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          That’s one thing that excited me on Friday. Dockery was trying to return punts. I didn’t know the fair catch wasn’t the rule.

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      a few things come to mind. Incoherent press conferences. The best talent doesn’t always see the field. Criticizing the players rather than critical self analysis or of the assistant coaches. bungled time outs. losing at least one game you should be expected to win (not counting yesterday). Talking about a balance between run/pass but always tilting in the end towards passing, even in games when the run game is dominant. lack of engagement with the players on the sidelines, sortuva “lonesome coach” analogous to Army’s old “lonesome end” (standing off by himself). Tons of “administrative penalties: false starts, motion infractions.

      This in conclusion: whatever his win total is for you guys this year (with the Pelini legacy still operative) will be his high water mark. You will never see 10 wins: PROMISE!

    • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      You can also count on any opponent that runs a spread option or has a mobile qb cutting through your defense like a hot knife thru butter. You can Banker on it

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        Serious understatement about the defense ineptitude vs modern college football offenses.

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        Banker was SOOO fortunate that BYU did not want to run Hill.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      in case you missed it. This happened to Oregon St last season vs USC at the end of the first half. So we’ve seen how your game ended yesterday before

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        Rush three….check
        DB’s standing and watching the ball…..check
        Nobody in front of the goal line……check

        Banker is a great coach. He got his new players to play perfect Banker technique and execute it to perfection in one offseason. That is the sign of a great coach / teacher.

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          It always seemed to me if you blitzed on a Hail Mary play of around 50 yards, the QB would not have time to set his feet and throw it as hard as he could. Defending the goal line, just seems to be one of those age old football axioms that nobody challenges. Kind of like the percentages showing that if you go for it on most 4th downs you come out ahead no matter the field position.

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          You forgot, dumb look on Bankers face. Check.

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      Bad clock management/misuse of timeouts. Predictable play calling. Never takes responsibility/always the players fault.

      Riley basically has looked defeated/checked out for the last 4 years. He lost the civil war 2 years in a row when the rose bowl was on the line, lost his father, daughter got knocked up by a player, and has been out of it and looked sickly since.

      IMO: as soon as the seasons over he’s on vacation, doesn’t seem to care what the players are up to. Has a reputation of running a squeaky clean program. In reality we were top 15 in arrests.

      I liked Riley for the majority of his tenure, but he’s spent. You should read our players reactions after having Andersen for a coach for 3 months. Pretty shocking how many guys were happy they now have a passionate coach.

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        be fair. Half those arrests were golf cart gate, Tyler Thomas and Jordan Poyer.

        So… let’s get over that.

        Hell… the ram stolen wasn’t even gay. That’s how fucked up stories get. He was a straight ram being “saved” by a drunk football player trying to make an impression on a cutie Jesus freak. That ram was probably living life as the control group… nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean?

        But don’t let the truth get in your way.

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      ^ These guys are all right, but they forgot one key point: he will do and say it all nicely so everyone likes him. Nobody wants to criticize the old, nice guy, right? So if you do, you are a jerk. It’s genius.

      They forgot a couple other points: his lack of basic understanding results in a -7 handicap each game. I call this “The Riley Factor”. He will do something, or a combination of things, each game to cost the team 7 points. He also uses dialogue out of the 1950s, saying things like “neat deal”, “gee”, “golly”, and “hip hip hooray”, among others. If a coaching position opens on his staff, he will hire a friend (extreme nepotism).

      There’s more, between all the posts most is covered.

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        Haven’t yet seen one thing mentioned: Riley does not stand up for his players when they receive cheap shots! Not at the time of occurrence, not even afterward when videos show blatant offenses against his players.

        Oh yes, one more, he’ll obfuscate the responsibility for play calling…is it Langs? or Riley?

        As said, NEDOC, thank you!

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          He also doesn’t challenge many plays (sometimes obvious challenges), which in a way, is a form of not sticking up for players.

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      I wouldn’t want to ruin your experience, just sit back and try to enjoy the ride without having a meltdown trying to articulate what you see. Give us a report back in three years.

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        There’s no way he lasts 3 years…is there??

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          Oh, it’s Riley. When it comes to contracts and sticking around the man is a fucking genius.

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          I’m just basing it on how long they put up with Callahan, which was four years. I think Riley gets three.

    • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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      I agree with all of the above, but would add the following point about Riley — a point that I think is one of Riley’s biggest failings. Riley fails to set clear, explicit expectations regarding performance of himself or his coaches. Associated with this is Riley’s chronic failure to hold his coaches or himself accountable for poor performance.

      Riley runs his program like a close-knit family business, where loyalty is more important than performance, and members of the family (Banker, Langsdorf, Cavanaugh) are given special protection, regardless of how they and their units perform.

      Watch as outsiders (for example, the media) try in vain to get Riley to commit to any sort of measurable performance standard that he and his staff need to meet. Riley will smile, and respond with a bunch of non-committal words and gestures. His stock-in-trade is happy talk, and he’s very good at it. But it’s just a schtick that Riley performs for the media’s benefit. It looks like he’s responding, but actually he is evading the question. Riley’s goal is always to set the bar as low as he can for himself and his staff.

      Underneath the happy talk, Riley mostly just wants to be left alone to install and run his pet “pro style offense” with his friends Langsdorf and Cavanaugh, and to delegate the defense entirely to his friend, Banker. At this point in his career, Riley has no interest in holding himself, Langsdorf, Cavanaugh, or Banker accountable for anything. He will evade any attempt by the media — or others — to do this.

      The players at Nebraska — like the players at Oregon State under Riley — will pick up on these evasions and lack of accountability. In a program where no one is held accountable, discipline and intensity inevitably decline. It becomes all about process, rather than results (and so the results decline, too). The only question is how long Husker Nation will let Riley get away with this schtick. I’m guessing two years, at the most….

      • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        You left out Bruce Read

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        “Riley mostly just wants to be left alone to install and run his pet “pro style offense” with his friends Langsdorf and Cavanaugh, and to delegate the defense entirely to his friend, Banker. At this point in his career, Riley has no interest in holding himself, Langsdorf, Cavanaugh, or Banker accountable for anything.”

        NAIL MEET HEAD

        +infinity

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Riley is inept when it comes to making half-time adjustments. Not very demanding of his coaches or players i.e. lets them slide too much. Unwilling to cut dead wood from his coaching staff.

      My suspicion is he is in the early stages of dementia.

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      The worst, most insidious thing about Riley is that he’s mediocre enough that the fanbase will be split on whether he needs to go or not. He’s also such an accessible, “gosh-darn nice guy” that the media will wrap itself around his finger.

      So you end up with horrible losses (in your case, breaking the opening win streak in heartbreaking fashion… in our case, TWO losses to FCS teams out of the last three, one when we were ranked!)

      He used to be really good, but the game’s passed him by. Sadly, he’s not ready to go.

      Tough break for you, NEDOC… but at least you might get some good upset wins to go along with the WTF losses.

      Expect mediocrity, so for Nebraska, what – maybe 7-10 wins per season? No playoff appearances of course.

      I feel bad for the Huskers like you who aren’t Riley-delusional. At least accept my thanks for your school taking him off our hands. That buyout was not a neat deal.

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        “The worst, most insidious thing about Riley is that he’s mediocre enough that the fanbase will be split on whether he needs to go or not.”

        Divide and conquer. Strangely what he divides are the fans.

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      Get used to Riley explaining things in a post game conference that dont make sense, and everybody just shrugging like the explanation was good enough for them.

      For example, when asked why he chose to call not 1, but 2 timeouts so BYU had extra time to set up their hail mary, the reason given is something along the lines of “well they already know the play they’re going to run so it doesn’t help them. We call the timeouts to make sure OUR guys are lined up perfectly, defensively.” But really, they weren’t lined up perfectly defensively and blew the play as a result. And nobody challenges the response.

      Similarly, after a timeout, the team will come out and still not know the play and get a delay of game penalty. What happens in these timeouts that the team comes out of them unprepared, repeatedly?

    • blackbug says:
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      Others have mentioned this indirectly, but one thing that drove me crazy was Riley’s lack of killer instinct and how it was passed on to his players. Wins were usually close, there were a lot of close loses and many blowout losses, but rarely did Riley’s teams have blowout wins. The mentality to finish off opponents was just not there. There were so many unnecessarily close games.

      This also goes along with his teams lacking physical toughness at times. They adopted the demeanor and character of their coach.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      NEDOC

      Late to the discussion of your Q but here ya go.

      Many of the manifestations of Riley coaching have been mentioned. Maybe not mentioned is lack of adjusting to the way the team/game/opponent is shaping up, at halftime. And this is sometimes so freaking obvious that the opposing coach will comment on it after they win because of that lack.

      But the overall effect and apparently the coaches current personality, is that of a coach who has basically stopped coaching, and is now just going thru the motions, letting games play out as they will, and ….well, collecting a nice fat paycheck. Our AD had stupidly given him a contract extention to like 2021 and we here were many on suicide watch until you WONDERFUL folks … BAILED US OUT!!!! Man, that was a great day for OSU football — we cant thank you enough!!

      Its hard not to think of him as a nice guy….chews gum, rides a bike, smiles all the time (even after a ridiculous loss, lol), never curses, always talks nice to the media…yada, yada. But the cumulative effect here was that he had bent us over a chair and was pounding it to us, with that same shit eating grin on his face.

      Some, including me, thought he might find new energy and will on his move to NU, and do you guys right. But now we know that was fantasy. That BYU game and his performance, talk to the press, etc, etc, ….is what we were seeing all the damn time. So good luck, man….you gonna need it.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        yup. zero in game adjustments. I think it was the 2011 game in Salt Lake City (Utah’s first Pac-12 win) that Kyle Whittingham even stated after the game that the OSU coaches failed to adjust to Utah just pounding the ball up the middle. No adjustments. At All. This completely shocked the Utah coaching staff so they kept pounding it up the middle all game. Here’s the quote

        ” I’m surprised [Oregon State] didn’t load the box, they stayed in base stuff they’ve been playing all season long.”

        http://www.utahutes.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/102911aac.html

    • Jack says:
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      Start cheering for Iowa.

    • NEDOC says:
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      Thanks for the replies. Responses were pretty much what I expected after cruising this site for 6 months.

      All in all, it sounds like we got the Anti-Pelini, who I felt got a bad rap from UNL Chancellor, fans and media because he refused to play kissy face with them and tell them what they wanted to hear. Those that were close to him seemed to love the guy and he had record high GPA and graduation rates. The kids were extremely tight knit with him as well. Oh well, I guess our fans got someone that tells them what they want to hear and makes them feel like they are the great fans they claim to be. We’ll see how great they are when Mike loses 6 games in a season.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      @NEDOC: Another tendency of Riley is to play the upperclassmen even though a younger player is clearly more talented.

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    also backup quarterbacks. See, Nebraska vs BYU yesterday, Oregon St vs WSU in 2014 and Oregon State vs Washington 2013. In the two OSU games the backup QB was making his first career start. Washington in 2013 was painful and ended in a 69-27 loss. The entire team basically quit and stopped trying during that game. I think UW had 3 backs go for over well 100 yards. Most embarrassing game for OSU ever.

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      to clarify. If your opponent is starting, playing a backup QB or someone making their first career start, your team is in trouble

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        Yes, Banker will tell you that this backup QB was “more mobile” than we anticipated.

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        not only backup qbs – How can we forget the Eastern Washington game. Although that qb had already put up some impressive #s and gotten some buzz Riley (paraphrase) “didn’t know much about him.” He may have heard of Vernon Adams, Jr., now, although I wouldn’t count on it.

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          Banker didn’t seem to know much about any opposing quarterbacks.

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    Anyone else notice Louisville start off with Angry’s patented Two QB system yesterday? Resulted in an int, but it’s a start!

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      I missed that, but it’s not my system — Louisiana Monroe started it. I just think it’s the next logical step.

  • angry angry says:
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    OT: Has anyone played the new Madden football? Is it as awful as past versions?

    • scotty says:
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      Just wait a year and you can pick it up for 90% off like every other sports game

    • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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      Pretty shitty, Madden hasn’t been the same since 07′

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        Thanks.
        I think the last time I bought it was ’06. I keep thinking they’ll fix it…a decade later, nope.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    What is it with Riley and delusions? It’s like he creates a reality distortion field wherever he goes that makes fans believe he’s a nice guy, that he’s the best coach they’ll ever be able to attract to their university, and that he’s a good coach that doesn’t have issues like timeout management and pass/rush balance. It happened to OSU, and we’re already starting to see it take root in Nebraska.

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    Useless, but fun stats………Beavs are #1 in the nation in 3rd down conversion defense, only team to not allow a conversion this weekend. Seth Collins is #9 in the nation in rushing.

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    I thought there was a comment on this thread relating to EWU’s 42 points agains the Ducks. Question was – was EWU that good? The talk has usually been about Vernon Adams and his days at EWU but Cooper Kupp is a terrific player. He was a freshman when OSU played EWU and I well remember hearing the name over and over again. As a jr., I think Kupp helps make EWU a very good team, indeed.

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      Being the spiteful asshole that I am…….I kind of hope Adams flames out this year as a Duck and the irony would have been if he had stayed at EWU, he would have gotten more mileage out of possibly beating the Ducks and Jeff Lockie rather than playing for a 9-4 irrelevant Ducks team this year.

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        BUT BUT BUT UNIFORMS!!!!!

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        I hope VA succeeds – can he do that while the rest of the Ducks and coaches screw up? I think VA would have gotten as much NFL interest had he stayed at EWU and I can fantasize that EWU would have come much closer against the Ducks and maybe prevailed if VA had been quarterbacking.

        The story goes that Adams’s hs coach begged Pac 10/12 coaches to take a look at his qb and they wouldn’t. otoh, if Riley had gotten hold of him, we’d never have heard another word – VA wouldn’t have been allowed out of the pocket.

        So, while I wish VA wasn’t playing for the ducks – I can see why he has the proverbial chip on his shoulder and wants to prove his worth as a qb.

    • Jack says:
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      EWU runs a system. Nikegon runs a similar system. QBs will produce in this system. Plug and play.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Here is Michigan preview of our game
    http://michigan.247sports.com/Article/Oregon-State-vs-Michigan-Football-preview-39217931
    This one is from the summer, but is very extensive and interesting
    http://mgoblog.com/diaries/2015-osu-ntosu-football-preview

    poster;
    Well on to next week…

    Oregon St has a young, mobile QB that does most of his damaging running.

    He was 10/18 for 92 yds for TDs… 44 of those 92 yds came on one play.
    He had 17 rushes for 152 yds..

    So basically if we play the QB read / run type plays successfully & don’t allow any big plays we should shut this offense down. I think we’ll be able to run the ball next week so I expect we’ll have an easier time moving the ball.

    We’ll be getting into the W column next week. Hopefully we some improvements from the Utah game.

    They do bring up some legit points. A true Freshmen QB making first road start, the early kickoff, and the struggle for most of the game against a 2-10 team from last year.

    • angry angry says:
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      That 2nd article from the summer is awful. Laziest analysis ever.

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        they have very little to go on.

        Maybe you could contact them about doing an exchange preview like you did with Stanfordguy?

    • mckalk says:
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      He uses Beav stats to show the weaknesses of the offense, but does not bring up any of the promise/ability that the defense showed………..only saying “we’ll be able to run the ball”……..based on what?

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        based on the fact that they’re Michigan. and that in itself means they WILL run the football on OSU

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        I think it is more based on history that Weber St was 2-10 last season and should not be able to run on anybody. It is pretty obvious they didn’t “watch” the game and are just going off reports.

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      I hope you know this will go down on your permanent record.

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      Here is another article about the upcoming game from Michigan perspective.
      http://uofmdiehards.com/2015/09/07/michigan-football-adjustments-needed-to-beat-oregon-state/
      again nobody has watched any film on us.

  • JockItch JockItch says:
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    Any idea of injuries….? What’s the scoop on Peko?

    • angry angry says:
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      Bruised nuts and ego.

      • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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        I thought I read somewhere it was his shoulder?

        • WFO WFO says:
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          His nuts got kicked up by his shoulder.

        • PdXBeav says:
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          Funny thing about that is his shoulder is located on his nuts.

          • Jack says:
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            This school thing makes so much more sense now.

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            He threw his shoulder out when grabbing his nuts after getting a helmet into said nuts. Ouch.

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            No sympathy from me……….Peko had his choices………continue never ending on line classes or get hit in the cajones playing football.

  • angry angry says:
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    You guys care a lot about Oregon/EWU.

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      Funny.

      Notice on the first one the dude behind the dude looking at the woman up front like, “You’re not as good as my fantasy was a couple time-outs ago.”

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    testes

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    angry are we not allowed to share pics from photobucket? I tried but my post isn’t showing up

    • angry angry says:
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      It went to the spam folder. I approved it. Some posts from “Numbers” were in there, too. If you guys post something and it doesn’t show, shoot me an email. It likely went to spam

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    All right. Are we done?

    Riley is gone. He and his staff were wearing white stuff and not being on the OSU sideline and stuff. It’s kind of a neat deal. It’s done. We win. buh bye

    So… are we done? I have another team to root for.

    • Jack says:
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      Disregard me nervousness.

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      And… it took an OSU footballer to put Riley in the L column… again.

      I still don’t want him, but thank you, Bronco.

      I don’t thank your parents for making me type that sentence. Thank you, john. Thank you, fred. Thank you, harold. I’ve already spent more energy than when typing your name. That should say something.

      Come on dad, give me the car tonight.

    • mckalk says:
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      You know better than that, Nebraska will be on national TV again and an idiot media person will AGAIN talk about the outstanding job MR did at Oregon St. The “Riley Narrative” is a sneaky disease that can rear it’s ugly head anytime where there are lazy, bloated journalists.

      Don’t let your guard down, man!

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    Been trying to figure out how I can catch these guys live. Have heard they put on an awesome show.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Parody of the tourism ad campaign for Michigan just to set the mood.
    Pure Michigan: U of M Football – YouTube
    Video for pure michigan spoof? 1:14
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Kz6Rw99Kk
    Sep 8, 2010 – Uploaded by John Kerfoot
    spoof of the Pure Michigan commercials, by John Kerfoot, highlighting University of Michigan …

  • mckalk says:
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    This article was in the LA Times about a month ago, I think it’s a great example of the “lazy narrative” regarding Riley on the national level. I spewed coffee on my computer reading the line about “Riley could have stayed at Corvallis winning 7 to 9 games a year”. I think McDonough or Speilman “took” a couple of lines from this article for the game, also.

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-top-25-nebraska-20150809-column.html

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      We’ll just forget 5-6, 5-7, 3-9, 5-7 nothing to see here *whistles innocently*

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    I know this comment is way behind but I rewatched the game and observed a couple things:

    1) Collins looked more confident then MMM in the game. Collins is cocky but I think that is just what this team needs right now as they are yound and dumb. I think the staff has made the correct choice here. MMM will be a good backup for us. Collins may get injured sooner then later if they don’t teach him to slide and they need to teach him how to hold the ball while running.

    2) Storm looks like he may have his best year. He looks strong and hungry.

    3) Defense is flying to the ball and boy what a difference coaching makes. Reminds of the 2000 defense which by the way wasn’t a Banker defense either.

    4) Refs were really generous to the Beavs in this game.

    5) Vita-vita-Villiman is just fun to watch and will have a good season.

    6) Anderson’s interview going into the locker room at half time was very refreshing anti-Riley like.

    • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      2) Storm looks like he may have his best year. He looks strong and hungry.

      He looked sloooooooow and continues to show poor vision

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        I thought Storm could have had 100 yards if he had hit the right holes or areas and agreed, he did not look fast.

      • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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        Eh, I’m not ready to close the book on Storm until after the Michigan game. If he’s still doing terrible after that, then Chris Brown should replace him as the primary back.

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          I think he can improve, I was not trying to be harsh, just a general observation. Also, he and Brown need to break arm tackles. I can’t survive another Ryan Cole!

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    Ben Kone’s teammate and friend Jordan Ford commits to St Mary’s today. Kone was hoping to have ford join him on a visit to Corvallis this month, but doesnt look like that will happen.
    Wonder if this has anything to do with Jaquori McLoughlin visiting this weekend? Keeping an eye out for any new news on JM

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    Update on the thug football players:

    http://espn.go.com/moresports/story/_/id/13601567/john-jay-high-school-players-suspended-face-charges-hitting-referee

    I read the ref wants to press assault charges. Good.

  • angry angry says:
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    Haha, they’re already on Banker for having LBs in the game on a hail mary

    http://nebraska.247sports.com/Board/142/Contents/Who-Screwed-Up-on-the-Hail-Mary-39243856

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    Andersen interview in 10 minutes:

    http://pac-12.com/live/oregon-state-university-2

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    How many of you here honestly think that a PAC 12 team will make the playoff this season?

    Go Beavs!

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      Putting my unbiased hat on here:

      Unfortunately, I think UO makes it because they have such an easy schedule. Apart from MSU (which I think is a must win) the only other team that’s close is USC and that game is at Autzen. Also, we have yet to see Sark be successful on the road. They do have ASU as a road game but both Cal and Utah are both at Autzen. The PAC-12 north is pretty bad. OSU may be the third best team in the division. Basically they are in a Boise State mode where there are one or two difficult games.

      I reserve the right to change my opinion on this with new information as the season progresses.

    • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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      Just one, us…..

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    I took another look at the Husker board on 247Sports.com, focusing on threads where Husker fans are already starting to question the hiring of Riley and Banker. The following post caught my eye:

    “This is what has me scared. Maybe angrybeav was really 100 percent right.”

    http://nebraska.247sports.com/Board/142/Contents/Who-Screwed-Up-on-the-Hail-Mary-39243856?Page=2#M39246787

    I’m guessing angrybeavs.com is going to see an increasing number of visits from Husker fans as the season progresses…..

    • beavmike says:
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      Those guys got to be concerned because said was accurate and honest. Even if they get better players, they will not be coached well. Last Saturday was the first example of many.

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        I hate how cocky they are that they have “better players” and compare OSU to Iowa St. You have to have good players to beat USC. I think the argument could also be made that Riley and company even underachieved during their best seasons with one or two WTF losses. There is Beaver talent throughout the NFL. They don’t get that they are just plain and simple not getting a very good planning and in game college coaching staff, end of story.

        • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          They have better players huh? Someone needs to remind them they won the exact same number of BCS bowl games since 2000 as Oregon St did. Sorry, ‘Braska, much like Washington, you aren’t really relevant anymore and keep living off shit that happened 20 years ago. Wonder how many players they currently have in the pro’s as comparison.

          • angry angry says:
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            They have higher rated recruiting classes. That’s probably what they mean when they say better players. I don’t think making a BCS more recently (which wasn’t all that recent) is a good argument for OSU having better players this year…

            Watching that Nebraska game, I saw a few guys who stood out as very good, but most looked near the level of OSU and every other D1 program, and that’s the problem for NE — the gap is now small, where it used to be large.

            In reading that 247 board, I also learned NE fans are OBSESSED with facilities. It’s all they talk about, and they waive it around like a 10″ dick.

          • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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            Oregon State has 22 players in the NFL
            http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209264255

            Huskers have 30
            http://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Huskers-in-the-NFL-39238408

            (and the article below that Huskers list is all about Riley and crew ‘making adjustments’)

          • WFO WFO says:
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            How many does Iowa State have?

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Did Steven Jackson retire?

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            not retired. still waiting for a phone call from someone. It’ll probably happen at some point during the season when RB’s get hurt

          • mckalk says:
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            The last time Iowa St made any noise they had a Beaver transfer as their QB……..Seneca Wallace.

    • scotty says:
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      Some predictable shooting the messenger there. Can’t really blame them. Eichorst basically stuffed them in an arranged marriage with an old average-looking wife and they need to convince themselves she’s super-hot or has a fantastic personality #poorbastards

      • Taco says:
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        Yeah, they were pretty much a bunch of dismissive douchebags.

        • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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          That thread made me feel a whole lot less sorry for them. But we’ve all been through the myriad of excuses, and the vindication is, and will continue to be, sweet.

          • angry angry says:
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            Agreed, but I do feel bad for the fans like NEDOC who “get it” and have to suffer for a few years.

    • mckalk says:
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      Great job, Silver! I like the poster who complains that “more crowd noise” would have been the answer. Husker fans are full of shit and themselves right up to their eyeballs.

    • Dansen says:
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      I find it funny how some of them try to invalidate angrybeavs by pointing out that angry doesn’t have a press pass, as if the press pass is the end all be all to credibility/validity.

      • angry angry says:
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        Yep, it’s a logical fallacy (appeal to accomplishment). Shocker, right?

        Plus, they assume I wanted a press pass to be a member of the press, when in fact I wanted one to save a few bucks on trips up to Oregon — now that GA is coach, I’ll want to drive up and see some games. So they have a logical fallacy and an assumption all in one.

    • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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      Drinking helps, poor bastards

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        it’s the only thing that allowed me to keep my one last iota of sanity these last few years being a beaver fan.

      • scotty says:
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        The Angrybeavs Guide to Surviving a Riley Era

        alcohol
        other hobbies
        denial
        more alcohol

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Your forgot a few:

          Sign up for suicide watch
          Hire a good psychiatrist
          Never watch games alone
          …Think about hiring a good sniper

          • Beav in TX says:
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            And, of course:
            -Support group

            Otherwise AB wouldn’t even exist

  • scotty says:
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    We should make a post of Best Of AB Comments for visiting poor bastards so they can have them all in one place. Would save them a bunch of time. It’s the least we can do as thanks

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    OT: Ohio State is getting challenged by Virginia Tech yet again.

    • angry angry says:
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      Who cares about Ohio State or VaTech?

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        I want to see VT do Urbs again. Two years in a row would be pretty funny.

      • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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        I like watching college football, and if it really is going to go away soon like you think it is, better to soak it all up while I can.

  • angry angry says:
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    In Andersen’s presser, he says the MM interception was fault of the call and MM executed it as he should. A good follow up would have been why then he never saw another snap. GA also said MM threw the ball great, should have had a TD to Villaimn, and he wants to get him in games.

    I got the impression we might see MM this weekend if Collins struggles.

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      Maybe he executed it as he should, but he didn’t execute it as he should. If that makes any sense which it probably doesn’t 🙁

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      I think the reason we didn’t see more of MM vs Weber is the same as the reason we may see him in the MI game. That is, GA (at this point) will play whoever he thinks has the hot hand.

      If ST? fumbles or throws a pick, the leash will get very, very short. However, confidence and attitude could prove me wrong; Seth excites the team and I was disappointed in the way MM appeared to react when pulled last Friday.

  • angry angry says:
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    what’s with the comic?
    https://twitter.com/VincentGuinta/status/640653210105966593/photo/1

    I actually dig it, but what are the origins of it, and is this something they plan to do each week?

    • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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      That’s cool, I hope they do keep it going. Nice work. Might not be as fun to do after a loss, though.

    • scotty says:
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      That was different. More of a manga fan myself, but I guess there’s no manga photoshop filter

  • GoBeavs92 says:
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    Watching the replay of the game (for like the 3rd time now). Observations:

    -Villamin got A LOT of targets (and I think only 4 catches). We need a couple of other guys to step up and catch the football. We can’t rely on Villamin to have to be the guy because teams with decent CBs will take him out of the game and force us to look elsewhere 9and if Collins locks on it could be an anticipated INT). It would be one thing if we didn’t have other receivers but we do!

    -The defense played really well. They got pressure most of the game (a lot of times with just rushing 3). The tackling has gotten so much better. And guys are bringing something behind their pads (J Strong had some great hits). Don’t forget, they did get a shutout too.

    -I loved Andersen’s comment leaving for halftime about how “penalties” have basically been ‘allowed around here’ for a long time and apparently it’s still happening (paraphrasing-and he was pissed). Things changed in the second half. Very obvious knock on the past staff!

    -I hope to see #32 Jonathon Willis play some backer. He made some great plays on SP Teams. Wanna see Bright involved in more plays too. He made a nice TFL on a sweep.

    -Decoud made a lot of plays. He came up and played “force/contain” very well and was physical all night.

    -Mageo was a stud in that game. He looks a lot more athletic this season. Great to see him all over the field making plays.

    -Woods, Villamin and Bolden all had critical drops. Woods would have scored a touchdown on a wheel route early in the game. Bolden we all know and even JV dropped a possible score.

    -Kalani V. (the DT) made a great play on a rip move inside (looked very quick for his size) and a sack. Loved seeing that. He could be a great surprise this season.

    -Chris Brown looked really spotty. He kinda danced in the hole and other times he brought good pad level and would move the pile or run through tacklers. He does not look as fast or quick as he did last season. He started to look better at the end of the game.

    -Very happy with the Punting and Kicking game. Those are huge for us. In tight games, field position and the ability to get FGs when needed is huge!

    -I like C Nolan Lewis but, he took some really poor angles and missed the QB a couple of times on blitzes (completely missed the QB). Those mistakes can result in TDs against good football teams. That has to be corrected right away. He’s suppose to be a leader and one of our best players on D.

    Go Beavs!

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      What did you think of Isaac? And, how much time did Drew Clarkson #61 get?

      • GoBeavs92 says:
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        I’ll be honest Oneoldbeav, I was honing in on the defensive line more and then on “O” I was watching the Backs (including QBs) and receivers more. I know Isaac had a false start. I was glad to see him taking contact again because you know that this must seem so unnatural to him right now(being off for so long) so I wonder how much he’s really pushing himself right now? Once he gets past the mental barrier and just starts playing naturally again, I think he’ll jump of the screen but like I said I wasn’t watching much of the O Line. “Participation” said that Clarkson played but once again, didn’t see him in particular. Sorry.

        I will definitely be watching the O Line this Saturday. That’s gonna be a test.I hope Isaac can help take care of #43 DT, he’s a beast. 6’5″ 300 and very quick! Got to Wilson several times last week .

        Go Beavs!

  • scotty says:
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    Nominees for Best of AB lately for the benefit of the #poorbastards – um, Nebraska Cornhuskers:

    Best thread other than The Greatest Thread Ever, of course:

    http://angrybeavs.com/football/10641

    Other comments:

    “Funny thing is, I find myself wanting to know what foolishness Riley will do next…”
    “More of the same. Wiley Coyote, Acme schemes and plays blowing up in his face. But not as funny.”
    “Rile E. Coyote”

    BeavGirl:
    Riley & Co. remind me of my attempts at running. starting out strong with lofty goals, then winding up panting and on the verge of vomiting on the side of the road.

    Calibeav03:
    I was originally going to play a 3 team parlay with:

    Virginia +18 @ ucla
    Temple +6 vs. Penn State
    Byu +5 @Nebraska

    Then I thought to myself self… You know dam well a Riley led team is not going to be ready to play the opening week of the season. Screw the parlay and put 100 on Byu and call it day.

    Paid off as Virginia pushed with UCLA

    scotty:
    We know Biley so well, it’s not gambling. It’s practically insider trading

    RanYakumo:
    It’s truly incredible how psychologically liberating it can be to see all the mistakes of the past (the bad plays, the hand jives, the terrible use of time-outs) being played out on another team and knowing that you are never going to see it being played out on your favorite team ever again.

    Have we given thought about sending Sean Eichorst an angrybeavs thank-you card? Maybe we could all chip in and get him a $50 gift card to Olive Garden.

    silverstream055:
    Underneath the happy talk, Riley mostly just wants to be left alone to install and run his pet “pro style offense” with his friends Langsdorf and Cavanaugh, and to delegate the defense entirely to his friend, Banker. At this point in his career, Riley has no interest in holding himself, Langsdorf, Cavanaugh, or Banker accountable for anything. He will evade any attempt by the media — or others — to do this.

    —-

    All that sums it up for me. I bet there are some gems if you find the Sacramento State and Eastern Washington threads, too 🙂

    Guess that does it for me with Rile E. for now…. until South Alabama pulls the “upset” LOL

    On to Michigan!

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      ahem, the thank you card was my idea earlier in that thread. I did not however come up with the olive garden gift card so I cannot take credit for that one

  • OSU D says:
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    It took me too long to relocate the post on 247 Nebraska site but it cracked me up. Very close was this:

    “I have concerns about the offensive run/pass ratio we saw today. Considering all the 3rd and short situations and stable of backs at Riley’s disposal I was sure we would see a much more balanced attack and especially in the 4th quarter when playing with the lead. It seemed Langsdorf was picking plays at random and the couple runs we got late were fly sweeps instead of straight ahead to seal the win that one more first down would have guaranteed.”

  • angry angry says:
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    This is the greatest quote yet.

    Nebraska QB Tommy Armstrong on Mike Riley: “His yelling is more like loud talking. When he’s mad it’s like ‘I told you to stop, oh my gosh.”

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      But unlike the angry pirate, getting put in a Riley timeout doesn’t involve a dark equipment shed

  • angry angry says:
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    way off topic, but this is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=338&v=h4R-ZdJhdmI

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    A classic line from a poster at the boneyard forum regarding the epic meltdown in Lincoln…

    “This game was lost several times during the game. Missed field goals, stupid penalties, untimely time outs, passing way too much in the first half, failed third and ones, miscommunication, not putting pressure on Hill etc.”

    Riley and the corn cob boys ride again.

  • Corliss says:
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    Observation on Boldens TD catch:

    If you watch, the right receiver runs the CB almost into the Right safety, taking both out of the play and leaving bolden free of coverage. Was that by design or luck? If it was just happenstance, from now on that receiver should be instructed to run right at the safety on his side.

  • Corliss says:
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    Riley is already breaking records in Land O’ Corn. First opening loss in 30 years. Up next, any fcs teams?

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