27.Jul.2014 Backup QB Situation

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Rivals.com lists this as the Beaver’s depth chart:

1. Sean Mannion SR
2a. Luke Del Rio RFR
2b. Brent VanderVeen RSO
4. Kyle Kempt RFR
4. Marcus McMaryion FR
4. Nick Mitchell FR

I don’t see how you can have 3 players as your fourth string QB, but nonetheless that’s how they list it. Kempt should clearly be 4th string. The only interesting debate is who the backup should be.

Del Rio has big upside, a big arm, and intelligence. VanderVeen has a big arm and some mobility (think Jake Plummer rather than Dennis Dixon). He was also offered scholarship by Oklahoma State (always have great college QBs) and Arkansas. If he can play in those conferences, he should be able to play for OSU.

I’m curious to hear who you guys like as the backup. My pick is Del Rio, but not for clear reasons–I just feel he’ll pickup the playbook better and execute given his pedigree. VanderVeen is intriguing and a guy I saw play in-person right up the road, but I’m not sure he’ll put it all together at this level. It’s not a bad problem to have as both seem at worst serviceable. If Mannion goes down maybe Riley should play Del Rio and then mix in VanderVeen on 3rd downs to add the running dimension. Odds of Riley getting creative?

One more note: I expect Mannion’s numbers to go down this year. I realize he’s a senior and that usually bodes well, but Cooks was a huge reason for Mannion’s success, not the other way around. Unless a WR like Jarmon steps up in camp, I don’t see him doing as well.

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  • Beavblazer says:
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    I had forgotten Vanderveen was offered by OK State too. Strange how Oregon State ended up with 2 guys the Cowboys offered. I’ve leaning DelRio since he got word that he’d be eligible without sitting out a year, but mostly that was just based on name recognition and the fact that he seemed to get more 2nd team reps in spring camp. For that reason alone, I think he keeps the backup spot.
    I’ve mever seen Vanderveen play so cant comment on his abilities either.

    Mannion’s numbers will go down but I think i head around media day that he is on pace to become the all time leading passer in Pac history? If true and he has a chance at that record, you have to think Riley is going to find a way to get the guy his numbers, even if it means leaving him in during blowouts. It would be pretty cool to have a Beav hold that record.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      If Del Rio could come in and so quickly either challenge or supplant (which he apparently is) Vanderveen, that seems to me to say as much about Vanvderveen and Angry is correct, maybe he just hasn’t put it together. I was hopeful his mobility would diversify OSU’s offense, but I don’t expect we’ll see him much, even on potential running plays.

      Del Rio makes me think that even though he’s learning, if he were in the game OSU would stay competitive and have a reasonable chance. Vanderveen I suspect would not respond well to the pace of the game, would look slow, be late on throws, and have fans doing some Hail Marys or watching through their fingers as he dropped back. But hell, I’m sure he’s throwing this summer, has fall camp yet, and could make me look completely wrong.

      Mannion’s numbers will go down, but the keys for him are to look better getting fewer yards and TDs; be more accurate, hit WRs in stride, probably throw to even more people than he did last year, and cut down on INTs in the competitive back end of the league schedule. If he gets the Pac record, AND does those things, I think his season is quite successful. If he starts throwing INTs in the last six games, he’ll look again like a second tier QB who plays on a team that throws the ball a lot and can beat weaker competition. Except EWU.

      Assuming the line can stay healthy, the RB stable should be good, and people might actually respect the play action, which will benefit Mannion significantly. Note to Riley: Play action on 3rd or 4th and forever, when playing from behind, is unlikely to find any takers….

      • angry says:
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        Here’s VanderVeen’s film for those who never saw it.

      • oneoldbeav says:
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        I think you’ve done a good job describing the keys for Mannion. Even if the ability was there (it’s not) I don’t expect Garrett to structure an offense around a single receiver, but do expect he’ll increase the respect opponents have to give play action. So, yeah, less yards and a lot fewer ints could add up to a successful season for Sean. Hitting receivers in stride should lead to more yards after catch, and more victories.
        Even with Garrett influencing the play calling and execution, it keeps coming back to the O-line.

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  • Mb says:
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    The o line will have that best depth in 5 years and will be able to open holes from guard to guard. It is possible to patch the tackle positions and have a better line than the previous 5 years. I am not sure that the staff has the smarts to make this happen. I harken back to Dan Audick, a very undersized, under skilled, weak, mentally fragile starting tackle on Bill Walsh’s first Super Bowl team. Rather than out macho opponents, Audick was taught guile, positioning, screening and directional influence guiding to survive and prosper. The two converted tight ends should have enough speed and footwork to guide the speed rushers away from Mannion. I think that a tag team could work.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Didn’t see this, but Eggers interviewed Mannion and published it Thursday:

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/227979-90980-sean-mannion-on-target-for-big-senior-season-with-oregon-state

    Mannion bigger and more accurate…”a better QB than the one that finished last season…”

    • wannabeav says:
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      the key line in that story is when Eggers asks Mannion what he thinks about Garrett. The jist: he’s smart and knows football. Now, Mannion is not going to say anything stupid and inflammatory in that spot, especially when everything else seems to be going well, but when asked I find it curious that “football smarts” is what Sean seized upon; with the obvious implication that Garrett provides an upgrade in that area. And to give Riley some credit, I will always believe he finessed Langsdorf out of town just so he could get such improvement.

    • mckalk says:
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      Geez, Mannion has a clearer vision of what should be the goal than the AD and HC. I thought the comment about not always focusing on one game at a time in the past was interesting. Wonder if he was talking about the defense last year?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT, but the opener is only about a month away. Hard to believe…seems like just yesterday OSU was playing a meaningless bowl game against a coach-less opponent….

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Some things haven’t changed: Isaac’s foot is still shaky, Peko is still trying (?) to qualify, what else?

      Changes? Garrett and Del Rio are aboard, what else? Oh yeah, a full time dietician.

      Whadaya got to add to the lists?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Grimble.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        a healthy Tyler Anderson.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Jordan Villamin. who could probably line up at TE and be a matchup challenge. like him at WR too though.

        Dashon Hunt.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Noke Tago at DT. natural strength, weakness. Benefits from Grimble’s presence.

        • ObjCritic says:
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          Quickness not “weakness.” Damn voice recognition software. or my poor enunciation.

      • Beavblazer says:
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        Well, I think this means Peko is done. At least I remember reading last month that Haley would come in if Peko’s spot became available. I guess this could also mean they’re filling Joel Skotte’s spot and Peko is still trying to pass that English class

        Angie Machado ?@AngieMachado1 3m

        Golden West CC LB Kyle Haley who was planning on joining #GoBeavs in Jan. will sign tmrw and be in Corvallis Wed. https://oregonstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1663553

        Haley was full qualifier out of HS so does not need AA degree. He will be a 4×4 for #OregonState https://oregonstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1663553 … @kyle_haleyy

        • Beavblazer says:
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          Well, Angie answered my question. It’s actually Skott’s spot that is being filled by Haley and Peko is still in limbo.

          Angie Machado ?@AngieMachado1 13s

          @BeavBlazer No news on Peko and I’m hearing we may not know until second week of camp. This was spot vacated by Skotte.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        In a more detailed context, I suppose my selections of Villamin and Hunt aren’t “net” upgrades over last year’s players; Villamin obviously won’t outperform Cooks, and a talented, inexperienced Hunt likely isn’t better than an experienced Reynolds (and I guess Hunt might be in the nickel?).

        But, I think the others are changes/upgrades.

  • mckalk says:
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    I have a question Gina….why does Riley look demented in this photo? Stay out of the Texas sun!

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/07/have_an_oregon_state_beavers_q_19.html

    • helmsley says:
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      Seeing that photo leads me to pondering the possibility that if Riley has a good year – whatever good year means – he would feel satisfied with his career and retire.

  • beavblazer says:
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    Darwin Barney getting moved to the LA Dodgers it sounds like

    • Jack says:
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      That’s a great move by da bums. He’s not going to supplant Gordon, but he’s a viable glove in a culture that is becoming more of what they used to be, great pitching with great D and timely hitting. He’s certainly better than Figgins off the bench as the utility go-to. I’m not going to pretend that he’s the next Mickey Hatcher at the plate, but the glove is similar. And there are some bats and speed in that line-up for him to move along with a bunch of sacrifices.

      Meanwhile, it looks like the Cubbies might do the right thing and just jettison a bunch of people and bring up their young talent as a whole–a la the Twinkies back in the mid-80’s. What do they have to lose (that they haven’t already lost)?

    • angry says:
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      Weird move. The Dodgers have Alex Guerrero, who is one of the best 2b prospects in baseball, right on the cusp of promotion.

      Only thing that makes sense is if they want Barney for the post-season roster as a pinch runner/defensive replacement/leadership role. Maybe Guerrero just plays September in that case.

      • Jack says:
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        Guerrero’s a natural on the left side, and Ramirez is a free agent after this season… not that he’s played much this season… seemingly. And Rojas makes Barney look like a stud at the plate. Uribe is old and signed through 2015. And Kemp keeps whining about wanting to play CF. And to top it all off, Ethier’s contract sucks for the team.

        They’re top heavy and need to jettison ballast. Ramirez (after the season) and Kemp (for a top flight P) look like better options than a kid like Guerrero (to me). And now it seems Crawford is involved in some kind of deal as well. The next couple days should clear everything up. Having Turner on the left side and Barney on the right as the primary utility guys looks really smart from a defensive/leadership/chemistry/experience point of view.

        • Jack says:
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          And I know LA has denied being interested in Papelbon. And that makes sense now that Jansen is coming of age. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kemp and Crawford dealt away… with them ending up with Hamels and Papelbon going somewhere else… if the creativity of a three(or more)-way deal still exists in baseball.

          • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Fuck Papelbon and his shitty attitude. Kemp and his shitty attitude can be shipped out as well. Kemp, Crawford and Eithier are all expendable imo. Joc Pederson is waiting in AAA for one of those outfield spots. Only Puig is untouchable. Scott Van Slyke can play multiple outfield positions and spell Gonzalez at first as well. I wouldn’t mind seeing Ramirez and his shitty attitude gone as well. Always hurt, me first attitude and is a huge defensive liability. Guerrero AND Barney can play shortstop as well. Right there gives you some major trade chips, but Kemp’s contract is awful and the Dodgers may have to eat some of it to ship his ass out.

            • Jack says:
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              That’s pretty much what I was getting at. Kemp and his whining can leave now. I’ve never liked Crawford, and Ethier is only a breath away from going back to whining like he did a couple years ago. And Ramirez is looking to get paid after this season. So he has value in the here and now. But after the season he can go. Ethier’s contract is worse than Kemp’s right now. Hell, even Crawford’s is worse. They would definitely need to eat some cash if they tried to move either. Kemp can be moved if Crawford is also moved and they eat a part of Crawford’s contract. Hamels is probably their target right now. And since the Phucking Phillies are trying to be like the Marlins, they will want to move Papelbon as well as Hamels… without taking on two contracts to just replace that money. Since the Dodgers don’t need Papelbon, they need another team (or more) to get involved in this potential scenario. Houston is looking for a bat and willing to give up a young arm. I can see Kemp and Papelbon going there and Crawford going to Philly (with the Dodgers subsidizing his pay). In return, McHugh and Hamels could end up in LA, and Philly could end up with another young arm from Houston… like Cosart (since he’s been a headache in Houston) or Keuchel.

              And moving Kemp to Boston for Lester makes zero sense because Boston also wants Pederson.

              Ummm… no.

              One thing is sure. Kemp and his agent should have never started this whining. Now it just looks like he’s going back to where he was found… unemployed… in Greenland.

      • Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        The move was made to block the Vagiants from picking him up. SF got dan uggla last week and he looked horrible this weekend. 3 errors in 2 games. Btw, Andrew Susac made his mlb debut for the Vagiants Saturday night. I have pics if you want to post them.

  • angry says:
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    Do any of you guys have interest in a fantasy football league? If so email me.

    What we need are 4 guys who are competitive and will not quit under any circumstance.

    • Jack says:
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      What’s your proposed league set-up? Exclusive or salary? Roster positions? Limited trades? Etc.?

      • angry says:
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        We typically do standard ESPN leagues with 1qb, 2rb, 2wr, a rb/wr, k, and d. If we can get good owners, we’d consider doing a keeper.

        Draft is auction style.

        • Jack says:
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          Idk. I’ve grown old of fantasy. It’s so time consuming just to get your team set. It’s more a study in human nature (or… frustration) as you study for and go through a draft. I’ve learned to appreciate the value of salary leagues. I know they have auto-pick options for a draft (assuming it’s serpentine). But that takes some special manipulation in order to make sure you end up with less than fifteen RB’s.

    • alex says:
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      Possibly interested. Trying to limit my # of fantasy leagues this year. Very interested in a auction/keeper type league though….best kind IMO.

      Standard scoring or PPR? Or 1/2 PPR (my personal preference)?
      Cash league or free?
      10 team league?

      • angry says:
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        We’re hoping for a 10 team league, but 8 would be okay. Free league, but again cash if not too much would be okay. I have never played in a ppr league, tbh, so I was thinking standard.

        A guy from AB wrote me. He seems to have a lot of experience setting up keepers. Let me know if you’re interested.

  • Jack says:
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    Btw… that depth chart is bullshit. If that’s insider info, then people need to send me their money. Here’s my depth chart at QB:
    1. Mannion
    2. Everyone else

    • ObjCritic says:
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      [Crossfire voice] “Wronngggg! Angry, why is Del Rio #2?!?”

      Wronnggg!…..

    • orangejulius says:
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      Thanks, Jack. 10 bucks in the mail today.

  • Beavblazer says:
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    Tres Tinkle and Stephen Thompson Jr are spending 2 weeks in Corvallis this Summer.

    https://oregonstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1663801

    Havent heard if theyre moving for their senior years or staying at their current high schools.

    • Jack says:
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      Haven’t yet heard about Tinkle, but Thompson will stay in SoCal with his brother and mom for one more year. I imagine they’ll all move to Corvallis next year.

      If we don’t get those two, how are we to expect this staff to recruit anyone?

  • Jack says:
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    I don’t think anyone here respects Stephen Thompson Sr. enough. That guy was a monster at Crenshaw then went on to be one at the Cuse. He is supremely intelligent in all things hoops. Any guard should be excited to play for that guy. I think he’s on the short track for poaching.

  • progressivebeav says:
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    Mannion on Rome:
    http://jimrome.com/2014/07/28/sean-mannion/

    S-Jax hurt in practice, just can’t stay healthy anymore:
    https://twitter.com/FalconsJAdams/status/494242800180146176

  • whatever says:
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    Mannion’s numbers will go down because we’ll be able to run the ball a little more.

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Sounds like Riley has intentionally given up an opportunity to get a head start on that “identity” thing he always blames for slow starts.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/07/oregon_state_beavers_take_adva.html

    • Numbers says:
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      What a bummer. Well, I’m glad i read that article so that I know not to waste over investment in this team. Riley didnt change anything, its because he doent know how to change things. He only knows his one systems and is not an inovator. I hate to admit it, but im way more interested in how Peterson can develop the hated huskies this year, than watching how Riley cant see a coming train wreck miles in the making. Ughhhh. At least i dont have to watch that arrogant prick talk out of the side of his mouth when the stupid ucks beat us in the same fashion for 6 straight years.

    • angry says:
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      More time with football means less time riding his bike.

    • Alex says:
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      Riley is slow. Assuming he’s still around, we’ll probably be doing the right thing over the summer 3-5 years from now. It just takes him so long to implement change of any kind….

      He’s the exact opposite of Kelly in that regard.

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        Maybe the olive article is missing something, but it reads that the rule gives 8 hours of weights and conditioning a week, with up to two of those for films and meetings. How is Kelly going to install offensive and defensive systems with only 2 hours of meetings a week. (Of course Kelly won’t be ethically flexible with the rules!)

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          The use of the term “install” is probably overreach, but 2 hours times 8 weeks adds up to a 16 hour head start on the Fall Camp process of getting a team ready to utilize whatever system the HC decides to use. Not an insignificant amount of time, IMHO.

          If Riley had a solid vision of the identity he expected of his team he could use this time, through his staff, to get the message and means across. He could also see that players were even more serious about their conditioning regime; if you ever played you know how a coach can motivate by his presence.

          Does Riley have that vision? According to the article, he doesn’t feel the need to “change OSU’s world” by taking advantage of the new rule. Surprised??

          • WFO says:
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            Yeah only losers like Nick Saban and Brian Kelly would waste time using the new rule to get a jump on installing their offense. Wouldn’t want to rock the boat.

  • Jack says:
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    OT…
    So… Lester is on the move. He’s scratched from tonight’s start. Where will he go?

  • Beavblazer says:
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    Moreland signs 3 year deal w/ Kings

    http://247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Kings-Sign-Eric-Moreland-To-Three-Year-Deal-29938744

    • Beavergopher says:
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      5k signing bonus and unlimited tats from a local gang-banger.

      • bendbeaver says:
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        Good for him, though, as a lot of us were skeptical. I hope he gets some decent minutes.

  • bone says:
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    Moreland probably would have taken a 5 oz. signing bonus.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Mariotta: Student Athlete.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2014/07/oregon_ducks_quarterback_marcu_6.html

    Already has his Bachelor’s in Science, gets to have fun all fall….

    • AfghanBeav says:
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      I want to hate him because he is a duck and very good, but everything I’ve seen and heard about him shows he is a smart, decent human being.

      • WFO says:
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        I took my stepson to the UO kids football camp a couple of months ago. Mariota was one of the players that was assigned to Nic and he was really cool to him. I was pretty impressed.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    ‘Boom offseason work at DE. Come up with a caption for this photo:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/07/obum_gwachams_transition_to_de.html

    • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      I will drop you as good as I dropped all those passes

    • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      and for all you sunny lovers…………………..

      “gimme that leg boy”

    • beavergopher says:
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      “Now i can’t catch the quarterback.”

    • Jack says:
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      I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.
      Art thou not, fatal vision, sensible
      To feeling as to sight?

  • beaverkman says:
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    Blitz reporting committ:
    OL Pflugerville, TX 6-4 265 lb. Not Rated
    Jacob Jimenez

  • OStater says:
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    I’ll say it now so Beaver Nation can be done with lame excuses and ‘next year’ ad infinitum. If Riley loses to the Ducks again for the 7th straight time and at home no less, then the Riley II era MUST END. Simply no excuse. OSU could get someone like a Gary Andersen before he goes to an even better job like Wisconsin almost every other year. Those linda candidates are there but BDC just has his head in the sand if he really thinks Oregon State can’t do better or doesn’t deserve better.

    • FedUpBeav says:
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      I would be down with pursuing Justin Wilcox if Riley fails a seventh straigh year to beat the Yucks. I have had enough of losing our main rivalry year after year also. Start over, bring in a new staff and give his staff a few tries instead of allowing Riley to lose every game for a decade or longer perhaps. This is getting pathetic to put it mildly. A tougher personality can Helfrich in much shorter order. I have no doubt of that.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Riley longest tenured coach in Pac and has the nerve to say this:

    “I came back to Oregon State with the intention of establishing a long-lasting program that had an identity, and I’m glad that I’ve had the chance to be able to do that and continue to do that,” Riley said. “I’ve seen a lot of guys, I guess somebody told me since 2011 there are 10 new head coaches in our league. We all know it’s changing all the time, but we’re thankful for the stability.”

    An identity?!? Established volitionally on an annual basis?!? Fuck you Mike. You’ve fostered a culture of mediocrity tolerated by an AD with a fear not only of change, but of football success.

    AND

    “Riley has seen plenty of change not only in the Pac-12, but within college football as a whole. The trend toward new offenses with different variations of the spread comes to mind. The recruiting landscape and an emphasis on the welfare of athletes were also mentioned by the coach during interviews at the Pac 12’s annual media days gathering last week in Los Angeles.

    “With the kind of dynamics we have and the size of how college football has grown, it’s only going to continue to do this and draw this kind of attention to these kind of issues, which I think most them are very appropriate,” he said. “I think we might be reaching for better ideas about for sure, student-athlete welfare, for sure recruiting. I think we’re going in good directions that can be helpful to the student-athlete and game in general when I’m talking about recruiting.”

    So with such changes swirling about, how has Riley maintained a stable program at OSU?

    “I think the key is not getting stagnant with what you do is to continue to try to grow in every way,“ he said. “It’s been fun for me. That’s why I feel good about this job. I’m energized by football. I always love tweaking what we’re doing and trying to make it better.”

    So incorporating the fly sweep 7 years ago and nothing new since is dynamic? Or is it the water balloon fights followed by popsicles?

    Maybe, MAYBE the 2014 team gets 8 wins, the good lord willing (I expect less). Then next season it’s back to the 7- wins per year. God for some vision, boldness, and willingness to succeed….

    Probably the ONLY time Chip Kelly lost to Riley was when Kelly was OC, had a 5th string QB, and was playing AT OSU. He never lost to Riley as HC. And Riley rides his bike to practice with a shit-eating grin, secure in the knowledge that he’ll be cashing checks regardless of his on-the-field performance.

    I hate to sound so crude and juvenile but fuck you Mike and your mediocrity.

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/osu-football-riley-s-coaching-longevity-bucks-the-trend-in/article_3cb265c4-15f5-11e4-8a2b-0019bb2963f4.html

    • bendbeaver says:
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      Mimicking the Ducks offense isn’t how you beat the Ducks.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I’m not suggesting that; Stanford has proven that. I think its absurd for him to claim he’s proactively managing an identity and progressively adapting.

        I was also supporting the post above about Riley’s ineptitude against his in-state rival.

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          I see what you’re saying, but someone could say that Stanford isn’t progressively adapting, they’re just getting studs and pummeling other teams.

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            But they’ve also used qb mobility as a complimentary approach in the recent past, correct? Not Duck-like, but enough to make the D pay and think about it. Also multiple TE sets that seem more effective than OSU (maybe just better talent as you’ve said). Also disciplined defense of spread offenses (just smarter players?). Importantly, I don’t think they have OSU’s annual identity crisis.

            • Smizni says:
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              What has made Stanford good is their defense, at least in the last couple of years, not their offense. The multiple TEs that they use are converted tackles. If OSU had the extra lineman Stanford had, the running game would not have struggled as much in the past few years.

              I personally don’t believe Stanford will be as good this year with how much they lost on defense. Their offense is made to play from ahead and kill clock, and limit possession. I have a feeling they could get down in games early this year and really struggle.

              • Alex says:
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                I agree, but that IS their identity. Like the Seahawks (and the 49ers), their identity is stifling defense and a offense centered around a tough, physical run game. The issue isn’t whether Stanford is good or not- it’s whether they have an identity. And they do.

                You mention what we could have done with Stanford’s O line the past few years. What you’re not considering is that their identity is attracting these players. They are featured prominently in the offense and send a lot of guys to the NFL, making it a very attractive destination. It’s similar on D. So the identity becomes self perpetuating.

                What is our identity? Empirically, it’s a pass happy aerial attack on offense. That could be ok, except that it’s not at all what the head coach preaches (balance). And does anyone have a clue what our identity is on D? I sure don’t. Inconsistency maybe?

                I get that “vision” and “goals” sound like abstract fluff, but they matter. And it’s a huge opportunity for OSU to step forward, especially with the coaching longevity. A missed opportunity thus far.

    • HelloBeavers says:
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      Calm down

  • ObjCritic says:
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    A new OL commit, 6’4″ 265 lb guard Jacob Jiminez, from same high school as Storm Woods:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/07/oregon_state_beavers_land_comm.html

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    Has the staff given up on recruiting CA?

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    Who can tell me anything about Nate Pomeday? Gophers hired him from the CR train wreck to be the director of basketball operations. He “helped lead the Beavers to three postseason berths!” Sounds awesome. Should I be worried?

    • Jack says:
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      Nate’s a good guy. He’s also very connected on the international level for recruiting. You’ll probably see more interest from Senegal, Canarius and the Aussies with him on that staff. He won’t be able to recruit per se. But his connections with the coaches in those places (and with the AAU scene in Chicago) makes him a recruiting plus for a young staff.

      • Beavergopher says:
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        Thanks. We already signed a kid from Senegal(Canarias Academy) and Mali for the incoming class. Pitino has quite a few connections from being around his dad and Billy D.
        The AAU scene in Chicago is sleeeeeeazy. One of the asst.’s here has big NY AAU ties and they are really working the Seattle area.
        BTW, the kid from Bothel, Josh Martin, has been tearing it up in the summer league here. Apparently white guys can jump. Supposed to be an incredible athlete.

        • Jack says:
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          So he already has value as the DOBO. He’s the one who will coordinate travel, visas, communications, scheduling, etc., for players and coaches. He was familiar with those aspects back when he was coaching at Lake Forest… and, of course, at OSU.

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    We’re #46! We’re #46!
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/polls/

    I’m hoping Riley voted for the Beavs. Since these pre-season polls are meaningless (except that they dictate post-season rankings because of their mere existence), then there is no reason to not put OSU ahead of the two dozen teams in front of us. Hell, outside the top 10 there are a ton of questionable picks.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      That puts 71 teams behind OSU, correct? Hard to call that mediocre…

      • Jack says:
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        Now that is a spin I never saw coming.

        Well done.

      • mb says:
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        Mediocre is related to the word medium or roughly means in the middle. Mediocre is not really a good nor bad term or distinction. In sports/entertainment, mediocre does imply “not worth shelling out the money to see again…except if my kid is playing”. Too often we use mediocre to describe a team with less wins than losses. In most cases a losing record is evidence of bad not mediocre.

        • Jack says:
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          A losing record is just bad. Those who would conflate bad and mediocre do mediocre a disservice… usually because they want mediocre to mean something other than that to which they strive and accept.

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    “AUTOMATED RESPONSE DO NOT REPY”

    pettibonehead aka PHB will not be available until 8-25-14. Hitting the road for some major travel, perhaps we can discuss upon return. Will be back in time for the first game in the annual slow speed train wreck that is OSU football. JB

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT – Excerpts from Various NOLA Articles:

    “2-of-8: Passes completed by Brees in the final two series of team drills, both to Brandin Cooks.

    2. Return job: My money is on Brandin Cooks in the competition to win the team’s punt return job. The rookie speedster is confident catching punts and can get into top gear very quickly once he secures the football. Right now his main competition is from Charles Hawkins and Joe Morgan, but if all things are equal Cooks will get the job because his roster spot is secure.

    5. Lagniappe: Cooks is going to be one of those guys that makes at least one highlight-reel play per practice. Today his Did-Ya-See-That effort was a diving one-handed stab of a dart from Brees. Cooks showed impressive concentration, hand-eye coordination and hands to make the snare.”

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Good stuff.
      Cooks has plenty of talent, smarts, and energy; for me it is his work ethic which makes him a standout. He approaches practice just as seriously as he does games, I’m not convinced the Beavs coaching staff, as a whole, does the same.

      • calibeav says:
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        Maybe with the right coaching Cooks can turn into a good returner. He was shockingly bad returning punts here.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Learned of this on Pure Orange: Carrol distributes video on proper tackling, inspired in part by rugby tackling, which emphasizes shoulder, not head:

    http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Pete-Carroll-tackles-a-serious-issue-with-instructional-video/5b06fe38-7d15-4414-bebe-4b7a7d74a6b3

    Please send to Mark Banker.

  • Jack says:
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    Before it gets late… and not on the fantasy thread….

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    Anyone have any experience with Dish Network? Would love to give Comcast the boot for my TV and Internet services but sometimes that is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. How about their “Hopper” dvr? Anyone compared it to Tivo? I’ve had Tivo for years, pretty hard to beat so far.

    • Jack says:
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      I had DTV for so long, the DVR I ended up with when I dumped them was one of their old TiVo machines. I still have that thing. I need to talk to someone about modifying it one of these days.

      Anyway, Dish is just like DTV… only they have the PTN. And they don’t keep making me call in every three months to pretend I’m going to drop half my channels just so they can tell me they can offer me the same thing they always offer in order to bring my bill down into reasonable territory. In fact, channel for channel Dish is just less expensive. And that’s with a monthly fee for the DVR and two extra rooms… totaling some $25 or so. They don’t have the NFL package DTV has. But I honestly don’t miss it. There are a ton of games available.

      I’ve also heard Verizon FiOS is much more reliable and faster than Comcast cable. I’m on a workaround into a Comcast feed now, but I’m trying to convince the boss that she can dump them anytime. But she had a bad experience with Verizon many moons ago. I guess it’s pretty obvious who gets to talk to Comcast every other day when their net feed comes crawling over the wires on the backs of snails. Yes… I do know how to power cycle your goddamn modem you schmuck. Just run the same diagnostic you run for me every other day, and I’ll talk to you in 48 hours.

      If you do go with Dish, get yourself a couple accounts with online coupon sites and pepper them with your referral codes. It’s about a 10-20% hit rate. But each referral saves you $5 for 10 months.

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