10.Sep.2015 General Thread

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I know some, like Jerry Pettibone, are not digging the audio thread. So, general thread until game day.

I found this article interesting.

Sounds like the NFL might have to start their own developmental league after all…

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  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    The new guy at the O answers the question about the comparative size of the D-line for Weber/MI. He assumes bigger D linemen (276 vs. 303 lbs) present a greater challenge for the Beavs O-line; not on board with the theory discussed here that smaller D linemen may be enough quicker to actually provide the more serious threat.
    Interesting phrasing by Danny, “on average, over…”, over? why not just give the average? Could he be referring to the average on the field at any one time during the previous game? Oh well.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/09/oregon_state_offensive_line_kn.html#incart_river

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Some general thoughts for a general thread:

    1. Andersen agrees Big House “isn’t that loud,” for reasons mentioned here;

    2. Andersen and some of his staff have experience in the big house, that’s a positive;

    3. Team leaving early to have an extra day of acclimation. Not surprising, but prudent;

    4. New team attitude: S Jackson: “ditch the underdog mentality.” Finally! Hated that Riley cultivated that attitude. Followed by Seth Collins “don’t put people on a pedestal.” Both of these expressions are significant compliments to the refreshing attitude of Andersen and staff; the Beavs are re-framing themselves and their opponents.

    5. To follow up on Collin’s comment, Michigan obviously does NOT deserve to be put on a pedestal. They’re more of an “m” than an “M” of late. I don’t think Harbaugh is going to be the coach we’ve seen at Stanford and the first two years of SF. OSU is not playing their program history, they’re playing its current coaching staff and players. And while a win over Michigan is not as a big a deal as it would have been years ago, this yet represents a key opportunity to reset the program and get past the big stage failures of Riley; because

    6. OSU is not what it once was either, and that’s why they’ll win.

    To those of you fortunate to attend the game, travel safe and enjoy the victory.

    “BEATm”

    • angry angry says:
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      I really liked Collins quote not to put anyone on a pedestal. This extends to our day to day life: bosses, women, etc. Agree with him completely. Respect them if they earn it but nothing more than that.

      • Issaquahbeav says:
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        Kind of reminds me of how some men allude to the fact their wife is the boss as opposed to equals in a marriage. Such a pussification by men.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          A wise man once said, “women should be placed on a pedestal, so you can look up their skirts.”
          I think it was Ben Franklin LOL.

  • follow me on Twitter @Dgodard58 says:
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    In case anyone was wondering, osu football was headed south just now. They must fly out of Eugene? Meaning they will get there today and have all Friday to adjust to the time zone difference

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    For no real reason I feel good about this game. Looking back on Weber State, we played an ugly game and the score still should’ve been at least 35-0, with the opponent only crossing the 50 yard line once. No matter who you’re playing, that’s an impressive defensive effort.

    The only thing that still gives me pause about this team is Seth the great. He threw an ok long ball but some of his throws under 10 yards missed so bad it’s scary. Could’ve been some pick 6’s if Weber State DB’s could jump the routes.

    Hope it doesn’t happen but I have a feeling at some point Seth gets knocked out of the game trying to pull off one of his super cool moves. MM better be ready.

    Either way I think we take it in a close one. Go Beavs!

    • ObjCritic says:
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      We will see Seth’s first, strategic slide this game and more than one, probably when OSU is playing up-tempo.

      Count on it. : )

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        Did he even attempt a slide vs Weber State?

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        I’m afraid the national spotlight of being on ESPN is going to bring out more of the showboat moves. It’s already his signature to hurdle a guy. ESPN would just love that.

        In all honesty, I wouldn’t mind if he hurdled a guy again, if only because it will help give OSU more national exposure and help sell the program to recruits. There was definitely an uptick in recruits showing interest in OSU in the days after Weber St. I don’t want it to become part of our identity long term, but this year, it doesn’t hurt.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Andersen has always said the QB needs to make plays with their arm, feet AND mind;

      Baldwin has made it clear he doesn’t like Collin’s risky behavior. I’m willing to bet the QB coach has too.

      MMcM is going to get to play this week. Hopefully, competition is still at play. If MMcM plays smart and makes good decisions, it’s in Collin’s best interest to play smart.

      Seth is brash, but I don’t think he’s stupid. And I think he can enjoy running an up-tempo offense similar to the way he can enjoy a big play. Michigan didn’t handle well Utah’s up-tempo play last week, and admitted being “fatigued” by Utah’s use of it. I see no reason why Andersen/Baldwin wouldn’t run up-tempo this week. Sliding, then getting up quickly to line up for the next play will be efficient and “smart.”

      • GoBeavs92 says:
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        Anytime you only have 3 QBs and none of them have any real game experience (except one game), you have to make sure that at least the second guy is getting some reps. One play away unfortunately. Always one play away.

        Go Beavs!

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          As we’ve seen, depends on the coach.

          But I get what you mean. I HOPE there’s still some genuine competition opportunity for MMcM.

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    Just got back from elk camp and catching up on week one of CFB…was amused to see Nebraska lost on a hail mary to end the game.

    Those Husker fans are in for a real treat this year.

  • Beav in TX says:
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    Interesting read in the WSJ. I think this may be partially why Riley had such success developing backup NFL QB’s. He taught a late 90’s NFL offense, which included way more nuances than the simpler schemes that have become more common in the college game. We always heard how much more complicated it was, which was difficult for the players, but it set up a lot of guys to at least make it to the next level.

    I still think Riley’s approach of running a more contrarian traditional offense could be successful in the college game. It would help you recruit a certain type of player, put guys in the NFL, and build off that reputation to continue recruiting better talent. Obviously MR isn’t the right guy to do it with his particular shortcomings, but I think someone could do it successfully.

    I found the comment about college offenses and defenses not trying to disguise anything interesting, given the comments we’ve seen from McGiven and Sitake about doing the very same thing. It would seem we have some above average coordinators on our hands.

    Anyone who’s wringing their hands over the current QB situation in the NFL is going to end up in the scrap heap. The best teams in the next 5-10 years will be those that adapt to the changing landscape. Innovate or die.

    • scotty says:
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      In competitive sports, if everyone has a QB crisis, no one has a QB crisis. There is only relative performance, not absolute.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Moran just posted a tweet from a michigan writer, saying one of their backup tackles has been dismissed from the team.

    https://twitter.com/BrianHamiltonSI/status/642047814386720769

    • beavers4life says:
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      won’t matter unless we get blown out and that backups get in….or if one of their tackles gets hurt, then it becomes a factor.

  • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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    So you’re saying it could matter? Ha

  • Issaquahbeav says:
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    Like others have said here, I like our chances as Seth Collins isn’t a guy that seems he’d be intimidated. Just out there and have fun

  • thatguy says:
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    Men’s schedule finally out: http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=750187&SPID=127160&DB_OEM_ID_COUNT_=2&DB_OEM_ID_1_=30800&DB_OEM_ID=30800&DB_OEM_ID_0_=30800&Q_SEASON=2015

    Only 9 non conference games with 8 against D1 opponents? Ugh. I really wanna know what happened, because while this schedule is OK, it would be nice to get a decent home and home or something. Tinkle said a couple teams pulled out of coming to Corvallis as well, but I wouldn’t even mind more road games for our guys. Like a road game between Quinnipiac and uo wouldn’t be a bad look. Oh well.

    Maybe there will be an addition or two since an Arizona State and USC game aren’t on there.

  • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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    I don’t see them listed in the OSU version I should say. The Oregonian has them down.

    • thatguy says:
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      Aight we’re good now. 11 conference games with 10 D1 sounds much better. I was like “I know we have other games now”. We should be 10-1 or 9-2 heading into conference play. 19-10 after conference play, 20/21-11 heading into tourney selection. Right on the bubble. Considering that the Iona, Valpo, and Kansas games are RPI games, we gotta do well.

      • Jack says:
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        UCSB and Tulsa won’t hurt the RPI either given they’re technically away and neutral games against teams that should be decent. I think you vastly underestimate the returning talent plus frosh. They were on their way to 10+ conference wins last year with just the returnees plus Robbins. Minus Robbins and plus some absolutely stupid shooting, and we should be in a solid 30 or so RPI position. We should handle all but KU, maybe beating them as well. We should come close to running the home slate and win at least 4 away in the Pac. The hinge-point will be the aways to the Bay Area and down here to the big jellyfish in mid-Feb. That’s where the experience gained last year can carry the frosh over the hump and through to the end.

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          I agree. I think the largest variable is having the guys jell, and I’m confident Tinks and co. Can make that happen.

        • thatguy says:
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          I went to every game, so I have a good idea of pretty much every team in the Pac. I agree that we should do well in non-con which is why I have us not losing any more than 2 games (and KU is admittedly pretty weak early in the year for some reason all the time).

          But knowing the Pac and the incoming players, we sit right above the middle line. We miss going to UDub and Wazzu (eff you Pac-12, we should ALWAYS play the Northwest schools twice) and don’t get Arizona or ASU at home. In my opinion, “likely won’t win in either case” is Arizona* and Cal; “should split” is dux, Utah, UCLA; “could win both” is USC, ASU*; and “better win” is everyone else. Considering we only play the Washington schools once and get the Arizona schools away is why I went with my 10-8 conference prediction.

          • Jack says:
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            So you have six losses. I would throw Cal in the split category, but I would worry about UW late. They have a good incoming class. So Romar will not coach them down for at least a couple games. If we roll out of the gates, there will be butts in seats in January. If we win two of those three away games in February, then we could use the home games against the W schools to catapult us deep into the Pac Tourney, maybe even erasing our Pauley bugaboo in the process.

            You’re right about KU. For whatever reason, they just sort of sleepwalk through their non-con. Sniping them would make people take notice. And you know all the traditionalists want OSU back in the national discussion if only to stick it to the young’uns and their ignorance of the giants on whose shoulders they stand.

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Phil Steele’s Pressbox release for Week 2 is out, here is the breakdown for the Beavers:

    BREAKDOWN:
    If you are wondering why this makes it as one of the marquee games for the week, it is Jim
    Harbaughs’ first home game. Oreg St true frosh QB Seth Collins is electric and will probably
    leap over a Mich pl’r at some point in the game, just like he did LW & also in the spg gm. He
    had 152 rush yds in his debut. Keep in mind that was vs a FCS Weber St tm that was 2-10 LY
    and was at home & they led just 6-0 at HT. I came away impressed with the Wolverines LW.
    While Michigan was just 5-7 last year, they had a top ten defense allowing just 311 yards per
    game. They have 7 returning starters on defense and get the addition of Jabril Peppers (PS#1)
    who won the starting job last year but was injured and redshirted. I feel QB’s usually have the
    worst game of their career’s in their first road start in front of 50,000 plus and that is what this
    is for Collins. He may be confident now but this is not Weber St at home. It is Michigan in front
    of 100,000 plus on the road and crowd will be loud for Harbaugh’s home debut. Oregon St is a
    rebuilding team with just 10 returning starters and it will show here.

    Michigan 35 Oregon St 13

    POSITION BY POSITION EDGES

    WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL
    Oregon St QB/WR vs Michigan DB’s: MICH +0.60
    Oregon St RB’s vs Michigan LB’s: MICH +0.87
    Oregon St OL vs Michigan DL: MICH +0.44

    WHEN MICHIGAN HAS THE BALL
    Oregon St DL vs Michigan OL: MICH +1.33
    Oregon St LB’s vs Michigan RB’s: MICH +1.97
    Oregon St DB’s vs Michigan QB/WR: MICH +0.99

    Special Teams: MICH +0.63
    Kicking: ORST +1.40
    Coaching: MICH +1.15

    TOTAL: ORST 1.40, MICH 7.96 (Michigan by 6.56 points)

    Projected Box Score (ORST-MICH):
    Rushing Yards: 100-241
    Passing Yards: 155-261
    Yardage Total: 255-502
    Final Score: 14-35
    Experience Rankings: 51-75
    Schedule Strength: 102-16

    COMPUTER:
    Las Vegas Line: Michigan by 16.5
    Las Vegas Total: 45.5 points
    +/- Ratings: Michigan by 20.8
    Game Grade: Michigan by 8.7
    Computer Yards: Michigan 502-255
    Computer Points: Michigan 35-14
    Phil Steele: Michigan by 22

    • Jack says:
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      The last two teams Michigan beat by 16+ points were named Indiana and… Indiana.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      If Collins is electric, what was Mannion?

    • GoBeavs92 says:
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      Unless we have some kind of meltdown (probably turnovers or poor field position- which hopefully won’t happen), no way Michigan gets 35 on us. I think both of these teams will struggle to get 35 point or more this season in any FBS game. Michigan relies heavily on power football. Their passing game is very conservative and I agree with Slade on Talkin’ Beavers, the Wolverines are probably gonna throw a lot less in this game than they did at Utah. They’ll ant to just try and dominate us at the LOS running the football. Ball control and win the LOS is what I think Harbaugh will try to do and probably eventually do in this game. I think the Beaver defense will be very sound and not allow many huge plays (maybe 2 or 3) but necessarily TDs. I also think that the Beaver D will get to Rudock and possibly throw him off. On offense, DL #43 is a stud. He will disrupt and be in Collins face a lot of the day. I guess we’re going to see how good (and how far) Seumalo is and has come, by how much he keeps #43 at bay.

      I don’t know how many people saw this stat, but Oregon State leads the country in 3rd percentage on defense, 0% 0/11, that’s a huge stat, I don’t care who you’re playing. And people can make all the excuses they want about how “good” EWU’s offense is, but tehy used their 2nd and 3rd QBs in that game and not only gained a ton of yards but also 42 points!!!! Why #2 and 3 QBs? Because V Adams was their #1. Almost makes you wonder if Oregon recruited Adams just so he wouldn’t beat the Duck on their homefield playing for EWU…ha ha ha!

      Go Beavs!

      • StarcraftSquall says:
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        I need to see more from Collins before I believe the Beavers can win this game. That’s not to say I don’t WANT them to win, I Bleed Orange And Black as much as anybody. But the offensive line performance last week was atrocious, especially in the first half and when your passing game can only muster 110 yards vs an FCS opponent thats supposedly mediocre, you have a lot of work to do.

      • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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        I agree. I think it EWU still has Adams, they beat the ducks last week.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      OSU’S D is really underestimated here. Good.

  • Jack says:
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    Way OT… I linked the presser for the Temple coach after they beat Penn State, and it was truly an awesome presser. Now Penn State gets to face a coach not unknown to us in order to win their first game.

    http://www.ubbullrun.com/buffalo-football/2015/9/6/9267757/buffalo-bulls-51-albany-great-danes-14-football-lance-leipold

    • Jack says:
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      Buffalo @ PSU will be at 9am on ESPN2. So I won’t be watching that one.

  • scotty says:
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    Remember guys (and BeavGirl), we already completed a perfect 1-0 season when Biley derped it against BYU. Rest of this year is gravy 🙂

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      no matter how it turns out this year for the Beavs we can revel in the epic fail that has already started to become Nebraska football. And we can laugh because finally, it’s someone else. The Beavs will get better. Nebraska will start a rapid decline into the abyss

    • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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      As satisfying as Saturday was, I’m way more excited to watch our team form an identity and see OSU football make themselves known in the Pac12.
      We all know how the Riley era at Nebraska will turn out! Although it will be vindicating, it will hardly be a surprise. More like Groundhog Day happening to someone else.
      By the way, BeavGirl isn’t the only gal around here!

      • scotty says:
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        So who’s the other girl? Jack #4 amirite? 😉

        Yes, I’d rather our team do well, and I’ll be watching beaver games, not nebby ones. That said, I HAD to have that victory last Saturday! Didn’t realize how much until I saw Biley gumming and hand jiving on TV!

        • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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          Well, I’m a girl. I’m not sure if there are any others. But there are at least two of us. I’m not taking anything away from Saturday. I was surprised how much I wanted Riley to lose and it was an awesome loss! But . . .
          Go Beavers!

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            “I was surprised how much I wanted Riley to lose and it was an awesome loss!”

            That’s the spirit. Welcome to the dark side

          • scotty says:
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            Right? So proud, beaver girls are the best, esp. angrybeaver girls

            *tears of pride* ;-;

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            the tipping point for me was the Alamo Bowl loss to Texas. Pretty sure I supported Riley for the most part up until then. After that, I’d had enough of the same old shit

          • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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            Yeah. That was a brutal second half downward spiral and loss. It started for me with the back-to-back Civil War losses with the Rose bowl on the line . I always agreed with the theory (angry’s? I can’t remember who said it first) that the Civil War loss in 2008 (plus the pregnancy) was the straw that broke poor ole Riley’s back. But there were many games after that when I still had a little bit of hope that he’d turn things around. What else did we have? We were stuck with the guy until he retired (or so we thought, haha! Thank you, Nebraska!). But I was completely, totally over Riley after the Huskies blew us out at home in 2013.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            That civil war loss in 2009 I lost what little respect I had for Chip Kelly by allowing Blount to play. He was suspended indefinitely (which meant until we need you). At that point in the 2nd half and down 9 points, he was needed. Win at all costs. It’s no secret CK ran a very loose ship in Eugene. But that’s a discussion for another day. Riley was never going to beat him anyways

          • Jim says:
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            I think he ran a tight ship. It was Bellotti with the loose ship, and Kelly dealing with the aftermath. Once it was his system and players, the shenanigans greatly calmed down. Kind of like the transition from Erickson to Riley.

          • scotty says:
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            Tipping point for me was Civil War 2012. Best Riley team possibly ever, and still got boatraced at home with fumbles, turnovers, and bonehead mistakes everywhere. Couldn’t even field a punt that day.

          • Jack says:
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            Thanks. I had forgotten those muffed punts. That’s probably because the second one, when Markus was running for a shank he was never going to get, I turned my head away from the field and just waited for the crowd to groan.

            At least Bruce Read has a large nest egg he can keep in the bank because he’ll be getting a nice PERS check every month. Loyalty is a neat deal.

          • Jim says:
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            I can’t remember being truly excited about the Beavers since their goal line stand at Cal in 2007. Happy to have an exciting defense back.

          • HopefulAin'tAPlan says:
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            That game was the tipping point for me also. There was no adjustment made at the half. Alex Okafor just destroyed our OL. The play calling was terrible and got worse as the game progressed. I felt like the whole thing was scripted and Texas got a copy of the script. That game still makes my blood boil because we had the lead and it should have been a W.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            yup. completely stopped running the ball in the 4th quarter and let Okafor just tee off on an over matched OL. player. Then made zero adjustments to help with blocking Okafor

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    I noticed at the beginning of the Patriots/Steelers game tonight, when the players were introducing themselves Markus Wheaton said “Markus Wheaton, Chandler High School”. Why he no give props to his Alma Mater? Is he on bad terms with OSU?

    • angry angry says:
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      Probably hates Riley, like everyone else!

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Did it last year too, but dont think it has anything to do with him and osu. He was the guy who helped convince paul lucas to flip to osu from asu last year, so i wouldnt think there’s any bad blood

      • angry angry says:
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        Yeah, maybe he just loves the hometown.

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          I guy from my high school did it in the intro to the Super Bowl. No one saw it as a diss on the college, just that there may have been a greater connection to the high school years, or just to do something different. We, naturally, thought it was the greatest thing.

    • angry angry says:
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      He’s always done that. I’m not sure why. Maybe he does hate OSU. Riley messed up his redshirt, that’s for sure.

      • Fred says:
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        Angry, if you want media credentials it will happen if you use your actual name and pull the anonymous name. The biggest part of reporting or analyzing sports is having the guts to have your work analyzed and scrutinized. Unless you believe in your opinions like u say u do, u will never get anywhere. If its a hate hobby, carry on. Go Beavs ! Fair weather fans can suck it!

        • angry angry says:
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          My name is Jack Mehoffer. Now where are my credentials!?

        • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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          This blog has been around for a while. There hasn’t been any “fair-weather” for OSU football during it’s tenure. A few sunny days sprinkled here and there, but nothing that could be called “fair-weather”. Troll on.
          Go Beavers!

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          Fair weather? Are you high?

          You caught me in a lazy mood. Normally I would go off on your impudence. I would liken your ignorance to something tangible, like the rocks in your head.

          Then I would concede that the Riley hate sometimes goes too far. I would attempt to specify those statements in terms of a hatred for how really really soft Riley was, how the “don’t mistake the nice guy” trope lazy journalists used was just a canard. Some of us know he and his staff made excuses for this and that far too often, “selling the heck out of Corvallis” by opening the sale with apologies for the place.

          But I’m just not feeling it tonight.

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          Fair weather fans?!?! I have the feeling you mean folks like us who criticize mediocrity when we think we see it.

          The worst fan is the one who cheers the team whether its good or shitty….because that ahole DOESNT CARE

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          Go pound salt Fred.

    • Jack says:
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      That’s okay… Ryan Allen doesn’t list OSU as his alma mater either.

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      His bigger problems is some bad drops.

    • Bill says:
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      He’s doing it as a shout out to Mason Moran. The QB for Chandler high school.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Who does this research for OSU?

    “The Beavers are 1-1 all-time against both Cal State Fullerton and Quinnipiac.”

    http://www.osubeavers.com//ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=210332595

    Off the top of my head this is not factually correct. Quinnipiac beat the Beavs last year. Fullerton won an NIT game at Gill the last time the Beavs made the NIT (2005?). I would know. I was there.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    There are three reasons why Jake Butt is primed to have a monster season. First, he’s just that talented. Second, Jake Rudock loves to throw short and intermediate passes and checks down often, which will pad the number of balls thrown in Butt’s direction. And, third, Jim Harbaugh is his coach. It’s no secret that Harbaugh loves to use his tight ends and use them in a variety of ways. He did it at Stanford with Coby Fleener and Zach Ertz. He did it with the San Francisco 49ers with Vernon Davis. And he’ll do it with Butt now.

    Harbaugh won’t place Butt just on the line adjacent to the left or right tackle. He’s going to put Butt in the slot, where defensive linemen won’t be able to chip him before rushing the quarterback. And he’s going to put Butt in formations where he’s bunched with receivers to the outside, protecting Butt from jams by linebackers and safeties. Butt is versatile, so using him in different spots will make it difficult for defenses to contain him.

    But … if defenses pay attention, there is a way for them to stick with Butt. The two routes he primarily runs are posts and outs. He ran one of those for seven of the 11 passes thrown at him. Oregon State should prepare for that.

    I cannot be the only degenerate that broke down laughing while reading that

    http://www.buildingthedam.com/2015/9/10/9301141/q-a-with-maize-and-brew

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Athlon Sports interviewed Ken Simonton…..

    http://athlonsports.com/magazines/athlon-cover-catch-ken-simonton-talks-oregon-state-helping-community

    When Riley was there and especially as they’ve gone through this coaching change, a lot of people have said this is the toughest job in the Pac-12 or one of the toughest jobs. Do you agree that this is a tough place for a guy to win?

    “Poppycock! I tell you what: It’s one of the best jobs in the Pac.”

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      How much did you realize at the time how special the 2000 season was for Oregon State? That’s still Oregon State’s only major bowl appearance since 1964.

      Going into that season, I think we knew that was a team that every reason to splinter, to fracture. You had brothers from Florida, California, Texas, kids from the Midwest and Oregon. You talk about a rag-tag bunch… I tell people the biggest cultural change in Corvallis isn’t the people it’s the weather. There were just so many factors that we had to fight through. It was late spring, early summer that team made a decision to come together. We knew it before the coaching staff did. We knew we were good. And more than that, we were willing to fight. Guys realized there was nothing else out here but us. I think that team made a conscious decision that we didn’t have anything to lose. Let’s just go out and punch people in the face. I really wished the College Football Playoff was around then because at the end of the season, there wasn’t a team in the country that would have beat us. I really believe that.

      he’s not the only one that believes that

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      If you’ve got a bunch of lazy recruiters, it’s going to be a hard job.

      Damn. That a dig on Riley and his staff? Seems like it to me

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        The problem you had was some coaches, man, who at one point got lazy in recruiting. – See more at: http://athlonsports.com/magazines/athlon-cover-catch-ken-simonton-talks-oregon-state-helping-community#sthash.RBOUrNKx.dpuf

        If your quote wasn’t than this one definitly is/was. Seems that even former players were feeling the way a lot of people here did. oregonlive saying that’s the best we could get, was such a crock of shit

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          Which makes it interesting that he didn’t take Brennan with him to Nebraska. One of the only hard working recruiters we had. I wonder if Brennan called some people out on their recruiting skills?

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            Right? Here’s a guy who continually has targeted top recruits, and worked.

            Even after MR had jumped ship, Brennan while still technically employed, I guess, actually had everyone disappear above him yet was out working and selling OSU.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      People say poppycock?

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    I’m in the middle of fucking with a friend, I found the video of Wheaton beating DAT wasn’t there one of Cooks beating him too?

    These guys just can’t let shit go, and they’re really starting to romanticize the past.

  • NorCalBeaver NorCalBeaver says:
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    http://youtu.be/tU4kp7MjA3s

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      Wait…of the fourteen people who couldn’t afford to move or are too dense to remain in Michigan, we get to wade through something written by one who doesn’t even go to their school?

      I can’t say I disagree with the Nike comment, though. But we will do some road work. We’ll have people out there with flags, making the drivers of substandard automobiles stop and wait while real work is happening.

      It makes me wish I was going to the game. I could stop off in Detroit with a fin and buy two or three houses before coming home.

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        But honestly, what are you going to do with a twelve boarded up houses that no one wants to live in, or can’t afford even if they did want to live there? Even if they only cost you a total of a c-note for the whole dozen.

        • Jack says:
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          Firewood?

          Aged house:
          1 cord: $120
          1/2 cord: $70
          Call 1-800-338-7648 for details.
          That’s 1-800-DET-ROIT.
          You haul only, firm.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            That’s good ROI. Nice business plan. You could definitely make money and clean up that dump, with a dumpster fire.

      • Issaquahbeav says:
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        FORD…Fix Or Repair Daily.

        FORD…Driver Return On Foot (backwards)

  • Jack says:
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    Ha!
    https://instagram.com/p/7cvqm_Ks67/

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    It sounds like the grown-ups in the Michigan fan base are making noise. These are pretty good.
    http://athlonsports.com/college-football/oregon-state-beavers-vs-michigan-wolverines-preview-and-prediction-2015

    http://mgoblog.com/content/fee-fi-foe-film-oregon-state-defense

    • angry angry says:
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      MI is just going to stack the box and make StS throw, right?
      Should be a simple game plan, and we’ll see just how accurate and effective Collins can be given there should be 1 on 1 all over the place.

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        If Collins can hit the short passes this sounds like a perfect chance for the old Rope a Dope. These MI dudes have no clue that Receiver is actually our deepest, most explosive position.

        Anyone else starting to get the feeling that maybe the game plan for Weber was to get out of there with a off the radar win and set up Michigan to forget about our Receiving core? Obviously Harbaugh is smarter then all these bloggers, but he has been out of the college game for several years. One can hope.

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          I really hope they stack the box because WR is OSUs best position. They can make Collins or MM look good in 1 on 1 matchups if the ball is at all accurate.

          Harbaugh likely knows this. I don’t think Villamin or Bolden are mysteries. But if I’m a D coordinator, and I watch Collins throw vs run, I am stacking the box and taking my odds that he can’t hit the WRs often enough to matter. Anything else would be stupid, imo.

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            Wonder how much Jay Harbaugh still knows about the players/program?

      • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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        Agreed. OSU has sufficient weapons on offense to do damage if Harbaugh stacks the box (as Harbaugh is likely to do, at least at the start of the game).

        OSU has an above-average set of receivers (WRs, TEs, and also Woods out of the backfield). If/when MI stacks the box, at least one OSU receiver should be able to get enough separation to catch a well-thrown pass. Key will be whether the Beaver QB is able (1) to find the open receiver(s) and (2) deliver the ball on time and on target (neither of which is a given).

        To avoid turnovers and sacks, the Beavers will probably start by throwing short, safe passes. Completion of a few short passes to the flats and some bubble screens has the potential to set up hitch-and-go routes to Bolden/Villamin/Lucas/Guyton/Jarmon. Meanwhile, Beaver QBs (especially Collins) will also need to punish MI’s box-loading by pulling down the ball, getting past the line of scrimmage, and making some big gains where MI containment breaks down on passing plays.

        OSU’s offense has the personnel to accomplish all of this. OSU also has an experienced and capable OC (Dave Baldwin) who should do a good job of play-calling tomorrow. If the Beavers can avoid injuries to key players in what will likely be a very physical game, OSU should be able to defeat Harbaugh’s attempt to shut down OSU by simply stacking the box. I suspect Michigan fans may be in for an unpleasant surprise tomorrow…

    • ObjCritic says:
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      “Beavers Inside the Huddle,” Sept. 10.

      Thought the video itself would be displayed(?).

      • Jack says:
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        can’t put text after (or on the same line as?) the URL if you want to embed YT

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Just finished watching, loved Andersen’s response on how they’ll deal with the time change.

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        Just finished watching, love Andersen

        Fixed.

        • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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          Andersen, Tinkle, Casey, three guys that so represent a different culture from MR.

          It almost makes one sick watching a Riles presser.

          • ObjCritic says:
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            Clear goals. Strategy. Genuine confidence and self-respect. Evident not just in content, but body language, delivery.

            When Riley flames out at NU (which may happen more quickly than the 3 years I predicted), I bet its going to be hard for him to be in Corvallis and experience an identity and success he couldn’t develop and maintain. His presence will just bring the contrast into heightened relief. I anticipate therefore much time in San Antonio, ambling down the river walk….

            BTW – my perfect ending to this season: A CW victory, than a resounding bowl victory over Nebraska in just about any bowl. May sound petty, but when OSU exceeds expectations, and NU fails to meet them, its an entertaining matchup for a lower tier bowl.

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            You think Nebraska will be bowling? They only had 11 wins last year pre Riley…

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            It would be so sweet, especially after Riley allegedly said [paraphrasing] that his “best OSU team couldn’t beat this NU team” or “didn’t have the talent of this NU team”….

            Did anybody else see that kind of quote from him?!?

            If he doesn’t get 6 wins that will be too funny. How will Oregon sports media frame that kind of performance? “Its hard to recruit to Nebraska…..”

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            “First year establishing new system”

            “Doesn’t have his own players”

            “Pelini’s fault”

            In any event you can be sure Andersen will not get the same consideration if the Beavs have a bad year.

            And, if the Beav’s season turns out better than expected, ie >4 wins, it will likely be because:

            “Riley left a good foundation”

          • angry angry says:
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            Yep. After all, Erickson only won the Fiesta Bowl because he had Riley’s recruits!

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            agreed. If the beavs have success this year Saint Mikey will get the credit. The retort is, how come he went 5-7 last year with a senior QB and 9 seniors on the defensive side of the ball?

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            I saw the ‘this Nebraska team could beat my best Oregon State team’, he said without hesitation. I thought it was pretty assholy for him to say. And then Hail Mary karma kicked in.

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      watch the video with CC lol they can’t lip read real well…

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    This would have been cool to have in the dorms back when I was in school. They have a new free video streaming service, similar to Netflix, where residents can view from a selection of free movies. They may want to re-think the name though……

    “Beaver Movie Channel”

    http://oregonstate.edu/uhds/bmc

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    You’re going to a dark, dark place Nebraska fans……beware….

    http://www.omaha.com/huskers/before-they-were-husker-assistants-danny-langsdorf-gave-mike-cavanaugh/article_56be37d8-5841-11e5-86b9-6f810ec817b7.html

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      Oh no, they have learned about the kidney….very convenient that feel-good story comes out now.

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        That was my thought too. Lose a big game, then release the feel good story to make it all better.
        I laughed when I saw the tweet that accompanied it….

        https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/642356744006561792

        Samuel McKewon
        ?@swmckewonOWH

        “I love you brother.” A story about @CoachLangsdorf and @CoachCavHuskers told beautifully by @dirkchatelain http://www.omaha.com/huskers/before-they-were-husker-assistants-danny-langsdorf-gave-mike-cavanaugh/article_56be37d8-5841-11e5-86b9-6f810ec817b7.html … #huskers

        and the reply below that:

        cool story!! These guys were born to coach Nebraska!

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        Did they not know the story before the meltdown vs BYU? Or did MR wait to throw out as cushioning before the freefall?

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          You should write the editor and ask.

          Coming next week after losing to S. Alabama: Riley rides his bike to Memorial Stadium.

          Other possibility: an article about his father or his faith.

          • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I have a better article idea. How about one of his players knocking up his daughter

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            Brutal, I know you were going to go there! Yeah, that one might be next year.

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        I am sure they were hoping to save that card until about game 6 this season. Must suck to have to start playing your good cards so early.

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        Lincoln media: “Hey Cliff K, mind if we copy n’ paste some of your old stories on Riley and staff? Great humanizing stuff!”

        Cliff K: “No, not as long as you don’t mind me doing the same on some of your Michigan material. Hey, wanna see my metal playlist for this weekend?”

        Lincoln: “Ummm, no. Kinda busy. Any more stories on organs or bike riding, let us know!”

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    ANN ARBOR IS A WHORE.

    Just a saying we have in the B1G.
    Go Beav’s!

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    Michigan media really underestimating OSU:

    http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/09/position_breakdown_oregon_stat.html#incart_river

    Give an “even” to O lines, and an “edge” to OSU only in terms of WRs. Their summary:

    “PREDICTIONS
    Nick Baumgardner: Oregon State has enough pieces to keep this competitive for a bit, but Michigan’s defense should find a way to slow Collins. Also, this guy’s making his first career road start on Jim Harbaugh’s homecoming date. Might be a problem. Look for Rudock to have a much better day against a rather unproven secondary. We’ll see about the offensive line. — Michigan 31, Oregon State 13

    Brendan Quinn: More good than bad came from the Wolverines’ loss at Utah last weekend and that will be seen against Oregon State. For those expecting a close game, remember that the Beavers are bringing in a freshman QB to play is first career road game at a jam-packed Michigan Stadium. This one is over early and U-M rolls. Michigan 27, Oregon State 7”

    They’re over-valuing OSU’s lost “defensive experience” and underestimating the new players freed up for faster play in a new scheme,

    Big10 Media Picks from here:

    http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/09/big_ten_picks_1.html#14

    MLive picks:
    Nick: Michigan 31, Oregon State 14
    Griff: Michigan 24, Oregon State 17
    Kyle: Michigan 21, Oregon State 10
    Quinn: Michigan 27, Oregon State 7

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    The Ducks game is interesting, too.

    Have both programs ever been in Michigan at the same time? I’d guess not.

    I think the Ducks win that game…too many obvious mismatches. Mi State doesn’t seem to ever want to change on D, despite who they are playing (Banker would fit in well), so they’ll get killed by 3tds again.

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      Did you watch how pathetic their D was against EWU?

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      Watching Utah v USU game halftime analysts pick msu over yucks. Odd to hear anyone pick against a Disney favorite.

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    I hope I am wrong but we have seen this script before and it never turns out well. I understand that the old clan is gone but something tells me its going to be ugly tomorrow morning.

    • Jack says:
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      Hard to disagree with any scenario right now. A blowout in our favor is the least likely, but it can also happen.

      That 9am start is just a killer.

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        Hard to disagree with any scenario right now.

        I agree. With such little info on each team (and in the beav’s case, each player), it’s impossible to predict. Before the season, I had this as one of the 50/50 games, and I still feel the same way, but think MI is the safe pick. If I were betting I’d just avoid the game entirely.

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      Nice original name there guy!

      Go Beavs!

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    I wonder how many college teams use drones to watch practices:

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-06-28/nfl-drone-faa-investigating-possible-illegal-use-cowboys-patriots-giants

    Beavs might want to practice indoors…
    Someone needs to invent a drone detector, ala radar detectors. World is getting nuts.

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      Makes you wonder about the headsets as well.
      http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/08/14/nfl-headsets-going-digital-in-new-technology-wave516116/

      The interesting part about last night’s game was the report that whenever an official went to the Patriot’s sideline to shut them down the Steelers’ headsets started working again. Don’t know if that’s been confirmed, but the hack would be simple for any fan. The problem is that fan would need to know where the repeater for the opposing team was located and be near enough to it to employ a jammer while also far enough away from the home team’s repeater so as to not disrupt their comms.

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        I was amazed that they aren’t already digital. When I heard that some radio broadcast was being picked up I thought, “analog? WTF!” An encrypted communication link (e.g. cell phone) would be pretty trivial to implement.

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          They do that. But you can jam the repeater, and then the infrastructure would act as an antenna, picking up similar frequencies and sending them upstream. I’m not completely clear on it all, but those basics are what were explained by a friend.

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            You probably don’t need a repeater. How far apart are cell towers? You can also detect the jamming and without the key, you wouldn’t be able to tell decrypt the communication. All short range digital communications now use frequency hopping so even if you kill a particular frequency, you won’t know which is next . I feel like this is a problem that has already been solved.

          • Jack says:
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            Am told I had it wrong with the first. The analog system would act like an antenna. Something to do with a Telex and blah blah blah.

            In the digital, it’s easy enough to obtain a tactical jammer that would disrupt a spectrum +- the frequency being used. The receivers, unless programmed to receive only the one frequency+-, will settle on one within an acceptable range (cell/radio towers et al). If nothing is available in that range, they receive only static.

            So who’s to know what ‘s really going on? Sort of makes me think the phantom with the jammer tech should get together with the security at practice fields and drop some drones out of the sky.

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      I think an anti-drone flying robotic drone-killer would be right up the engineering departments alley. Something in the sky that flies around for a seek-and-destroy mission. Battle-bots over Reser.

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        I hate that all the “crazy” sci-fi writers turned out to be true, and that society is doomed. Fuck

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          Except for anyone who has written about a time machine and visitors who come back from the future and do weird stuff to us in the present. Those writers were dead wrong.

          Visitors from the future just observe us.

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    OSU’s coaching staff is so much stronger now, even if Sitake’s “Boom and Bust” defenses give me pause for concern. Baldwin’s offense put up 37 in a loss when he was at MSU. Read the linked article and look at their collective experience in the big house; OSU’s head coach, D coordinator, LB coach, and O coordinator have all enjoyed success there, albeit MSU lost. Not Baldwin’s fault though. This is the kind of resume material Riley/Banker/Langs simply cannot match.

    Again, Michigan is not what it was; but it remains a big stage and atmosphere, and that’s where Riley regularly put on his public pratfalls. Anyone remember that at the end of the LSU game a frantic Riley was too late in trying to get a TO, when he’d changed his mind and decided to go for 2 after sending out the kicking team?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/09/dave_baldwin_oregon_state_beav.html#incart_river

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    IMHO, I’m putting this entire game on the offensive line. Can they open holes for Storm and Brown so Collins won’t get headhunted? I feel confident in the o-line’s ability to pass protect as they did a relatively good job on picking up blitzes from Weber, but that was Weber.

    If we can get the backs the chance to run, it will free up Collins running and also give him time to connect to our biggest weapon in our receivers.

    Defensively, it will interesting to watch how Ruddock rebounds after the Utah game. I will bet he will not throw the same throws he did against Utah and will cut down drastically on his interceptions. We need to make Michigan beat us by throwing the ball accurately and consistently. Ruddock did not look like he is a consistent accurate passer so I have hope we can negate his effectiveness.

    I feel cautiously optimistic about this game, I just hope we play our hardest and don’t give up if Michigan gets ahead a couple points. All too often the last regime did not motivate our players to keep digging and fight to get back into games. Andersen does not look like he will let his players give up and quit at any moment of the game.

    All in all, give it all you got Beavs. I’m pulling for ya, we are all in this together!

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    OT, btw, Chuckie Keeton is good.

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      Travis Wilson out of game, looks like a separated shoulder or something. Has ice on shoulder and arm in sling.

    • TJOSU says:
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      Keeton is not playing very well. Cannot seem to make throws tonight.

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        Left leg is whack can’t step into throws

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          Yeah he rolled up on by a defender in the 1st half, but looked better after that, than he does currently.

          • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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            But ask Hire Matt Wells he would know for sure.

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            Was that Dave Ungerer, former St coach under MR, on the sideline with Matt Wells, while the announcers were talking up wells and GA? Man college coaching is incestuous.

  • scotty says:
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    I’m going to miss the Michigan game due to family visit. Nooooooooooooooo (but yay family)

    I expect witty updates I can sneak glances at on my phone

  • Bill says:
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    Beavs were using drones two years ago.

    http://pac-12.com/videos/video-drone-gives-oregon-state-football-new-perspective

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    Travis Wilson has been knocked out of the Utah/USU game. Tied at 14 in the 3rd

  • 2008Beav says:
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    Good showing in Ann Arbor from Beaver Nation! Very cool to see so much orange and black downtown. Hoping we’re all still smiling tomorrow!

    • angry angry says:
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      What’s Ann Arbor like, as a town?

      • 2008Beav says:
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        Definitely a college town. My wife and I felt out of place even just as late twenty-somethings. Plus we’re decked out in Columbia rain gear which made us stick out, cause you know, we’re Oregonians. Fun downtown scene. Great bars. Local beers aren’t bad but don’t hold a candle to what we got at home. People have been very friendly. Uber drivers have been great and entertaining. Little jabbing back and forth. General consensus is everyone is friendly unless you’re wearing that “other” OSU gear.

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          Plus we’re decked out in Columbia rain gear which made us stick out, cause you know, we’re Oregonians.

          Wait… are you saying they use those devices Mary Poppins uses for flying as rain barriers rather than just ignore it?

          Wimps.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        It’s a great college town. Very good food and drink options.

      • thatguy says:
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        Pretty dope. It’s a solid model of what a good college town should be like; I think if I wanted a layout in the future for Corvallis as it expands, I’d model Ann Arbor. Good downtown, vibrant, generally nice people. Great campus. It’s laid out pretty well for the kids there.

  • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    The names on the back of Miami’s jerseys look like were drawn on by a 3 year old using crayons

  • angry angry says:
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    I saw in the twitter feed Moran had a good game. Who did they play? Hopefully this guy doesn’t perform only vs bad competition.

    12hrs til kickoff.

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    A couple of things we cn expect from the game Saturday:
    *Low scoring (less than 35 points total)
    *Beaver Defense creates at least 2 turnovers
    *Both running games will struggle to gain a lot of yards (I’d say less than 300 total rushing yards in the game)
    *Seth will get a couple of major hits on him (how does he respond?)
    *TE J Butt scores at least 1 TD on us
    *Seth throws for less than 100 yds
    * This will be a defensive battle!
    *Who ever wins the LOS and the TO battle, wins the game!
    *Paul Lucas (if he plays) makes a name for himself. If not, Brennan is a complete idiot!

    Go Beavs!

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Luck O da Beav’s on roids.

    Deadspin · Timothy Burke Football Team Passes For 782 Yards, Scores 90 Points, Still Loses Yesterday 11. Must be the name!
    Deadspin? – 2 hours ago

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    8 hours, 19 minutes and counting.

    Here’s hoping I can find a stream of the game that works.

  • Bigditch says:
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    Having a great time in Ann Arbor. Toured all the athletic buildings ( Ice Hockey was really cool ). Michigan staffer gave us a golf cart ride to all the buildings and was our tour guide (free) People have been really nice. Town buzzing with “coach returning”….Blue skies as of 7am . Go Beavs

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    If any Angrybeavs want to stop by for a drink, look for a Retro Benny flag over the Minnesota block M on the golf course. Hint, gold and maroon M. White Yukon.
    Go Beav’s!

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    Too early.
    Too far.
    Too young.

    Rough start this year for “mobile” QB’s they are getting busted up at a record pace. Hope Collins returns from Ann Arbor in one piece.

    Unfortunate scheduling for a young team with a new coaching staff. JB

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    Harbaugh’s plan (and main objective) is for Michigan’s O-line to overpower the Beavers up front, and to establish a dominant running game between the tackles. Kyle Peko may be the biggest obstacle to that plan. Would Harbaugh and his players resort to the kind of dirty play we saw last year from USC and Max Tuerk? Is Peko going to have to protect himself from cheap shot cut-blocks? Hate even to raise this possibility, but Harbaugh is a jerk, and he wants to win this game very badly. Hope I’m just being paranoid here….

    • helmsley says:
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      ” Is Peko going to have to protect himself from cheap shot cut-blocks?” I had the same thought, but however would he protect himself? I fear that at some point sometime during this season someone is going to go after him.

  • Corliss says:
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    I think the media still assumes this is the Riley beavs. This ain’t the Riley beavs. Utah didn’t look incredible last night. Michigan ain’t that scary.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    oregon, the team that never releases injury information (unless it will conveniently help explain a loss) apparently has an injured QB today. Nice of ESPN to break the news just prior to their big matchup with Mich. St on the national stage. Now, if they lose this one, the committee will know it’s only because Adams was injured, but if they win, it will be all the more impressive.

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/12/report-orgeon-qb-vernon-adams-playing-with-injured-index-finger-vs-sparty/

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