01.Sep.2015 Gary Andersen Could be OSU’s Knute Rocke, Urban Myer, etc

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Here‘s a list of the all-time NCAA football coaches by win %, minimum of 10 years coaching.

Interestingly, Oregon State already has two coaches on the list in the top 200.

Now let’s be clear for all the trolls who have reading comprehension problems: I am not saying Gary Andersen is Knute Rocke, Urban Meyer, Tom Osborne, Bo Schembechler, Bear Bryant, etc. I’m saying he could be OSU’s closest thing ever to that type of coach. A legendary coach who transforms a program into elite status. In short, a guy who coaches to a .750+ winning percentage. He did this in his last year at Utah State (.846) when the transformation was complete, and also in his second year at Wisconsin (.769). If he had longevity at these schools, I think he’d be regarded as that type of coach.

At some point GA has to stay at one major program long enough to create a legacy. This is likely that job, and if so, I think he could be OSU’s closest thing to an all time great/legendary coach. It might take a year or two to get to that level, but once there, I think he can sustain a .750+ winning percentage for a decade and go down as one of the greats. Gary Andersen’s problem, with regard to reputation, has been sticking around with a program long enough to rack up that type of win% and hence be recognized as great.

No pressure or anything, GA.

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  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    LOL … no pressure, there, GA. But he knows the pressure is on. I would expect a good effort in this first year — gotta show the fans it wasnt a bad choice. And there is the future of his career — he is taking a chance here and a flop would be … well, not good.

    Coaches of the past have won here and you can too, GA.

    GO BEAVS!!!

  • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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    He has the potential to be great here — as long as a position doesn’t open up at Utah or BYU.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      that is my biggest fear. Not so much worried about BYU but if the Utah job ever opened I think he’d be as good as gone.

    • angry angry says:
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      Do we want Utah to do bad or well? If they do well, Wittingham will be in demand. If they do poorly, Utah won’t fire a great coach…will they? I almost think we want Utah to stink.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        I think we want them to be just above average. They won’t fire Whittingham (sic?) for winning 7 games per season consistently with an occasional 8-9 win season in there. The only place that gets you fired is in Lincoln. or Austin. Or Columbus…………..

      • Jim says:
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        Whittingham was pretty seriously on the hot seat before last season. Chris Hill, the Utah AD, is much more decisive than BDC, has illusions of grandeur, and likely would have pulled the trigger on Whitt. if last season was another 5 win outing.

        In that respect, last December was another great blessing for the Beavers, as Andersen would have gone to Utah, if open.

        If the Utes don’t find some consistency on offense, I think changes may be made.

        • mckalk says:
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          LIved in SLC for 14 years and you are absolutely correct, he did to McBride what Bobby D should have done to Riley when stagnation hit the program. Hill is not the sentimental type.

      • hellobeavers says:
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        If Utah fired Whittingham and subsequently poached Andersen, I bet we could get Mike Riley from Nebraska. He is from Corvallis.

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          +1

        • Jack says:
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          I respectfully request you now come clean all the coffee off my computer.

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          After cleaning up the coffee on Jack’s computer please tell me what you mean by “from” and how that applies to his retirement home(s) which are located in Texas?

          • mckalk says:
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            I just vomited in my mouth from the thought of Uncle Mikey pedaling his bike around Corvallis once again with that manical grin on his face!

      • helmsley says:
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        Doesn’t matter what “we want.” It will play out however it’s going to. All this angst seems silly.

  • wannabeav says:
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    we just have to hope there’s a positive conjunction between Whittingham’s tenure at Utah and success over the next few years at OSU. Allowing for those variables, especially the first one because that’s the greatest threat (i.e. losing Anderson to UU). This is why in circumstances where it doesn’t affect the Beavs fate we have to hope the Utes do well over the next couple seasons.

  • Beaver Juice says:
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    Really hope OSU hits 6 wins this year. It is doable if the team gels. To change the culture you have to expect to win. Not expecting to have a losing season is the first step. Your school has to HATE coming up on the shy end and relish being the winner and causing other teams to lose. Players and coaches need to bring their A effort like President Ray promised. Time is now to begin the rise. Millions will see Oregon St on The Drive and this is OSU’s chance for these weekly recordings to be the very best they can make them. Play with abandon and pride and take advantage.

    • Numbers says:
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      Yes, fanbase needs to quit hoping and start expecting to win.

      • mckalk says:
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        “Hope is not a strategy”……quote from one of my bosses years ago.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          You must not work for the President LOL.

        • Jack says:
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          Rick Page… quoted by many in business immediately after his book came out.

          That reminds me of a Daniel Goleman quote from Emotional Intelligence… that I can’t quite remember… something about hope being more than a sunny disposition.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    By the time Barney Fife and co are done in Lincoln, they’ll be begging for Bo Pelini to come back

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Cant wait to hear about him blowing a 2-minute drill toward the end of the half. They are gonna have his head on a platter…

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        MR is the church going, nice girl you date after the slutty one dumps you.
        Nebraskans will rue the over correction their AD made.

      • Jack says:
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        Wait! Taking three knees isn’t a 2-minute drill?

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/271132-145501-who-will-prevail-in-pac-12

    Eggers says……………

    5. Oregon State

    5-7, 3-6

    The Beavers’ offense will score points in Gary Andersen’s first year, but inexperienced defense will result in the same overall record as a year ago.

    Vondersmith needs to be smacked upside the head with a brick considering the Beavs don’t play San Diego St (methinks he confused them with SJSU)…………….

    6. Oregon State

    3-9, 2-7

    Nonleague victories at home over Weber State and San Diego State will give new Beavers coach Gary Andersen momentum. But then the reality of the Pac-12 season hits home. For OSU, it’s wait till next year for success to start to show.

    Eggers is seriously on crack if he thinks the leg humpers finish 3rd in the north.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      inexperienced defense my ass!

      1-the lost starters weren’t that effective
      2-the returning non-starters have playing time under their belts
      3-Eggers isn’t factoring in the new DC, still buying the Biley line?
      4-nor is he factoring in the new scheme which is more suited to today’s game.
      5-live tackling in Fall Camp
      6-PEKO

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        another factor? The Pac-12 north is pretty weak this season and the Beavs miss two of the toughest teams in the south, ASU and USC. I’m not buying the UCLA kool aid either. I think USC, ASU and Arizona will all finish ahead of them

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          Mora seems like he is going to flame out because he runs too loose a ship. DE light if you will.
          He can recruit, which cures many ills, but a lack of discipline eventually catches up with you.

          • Jim says:
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            Agree. Sark and Mora are good for the conference at those schools. To be taken seriously, the conference needs the SoCal schools to be relevant, which those coaches are capable of. But, it’s not good for the conference if they dominate, because then its just a return to the USC and the 9 dwarves days.

            Sark and Mora will both keep their records in the black, but are bound to f-up once or twice on the road each year. So, in that respect, I think they are good for the conference.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      5-7, as long as the losses are competitive, is ok with me. Biley did that with a QB who went on the the pros. Imagine what Biley would accomplish if he had stayed. But I think GA will get at least one unexpected win, and go at least 6-6.

      And I still get a chuckle out of sleep-walking Riley being lured away by a big time program…..lol!

      • wannabeav says:
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        I think we know because Riley was in this position with a frosh QB in 2011: 3-9. His win cap this year would have been 3, likely would win less than that.

    • mckalk says:
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      Vondersmith’s prediction does not even make sense numbers-wise……if the team goes 2-1 in non-conference by beating Weber St. and “San Diego State” and 2-7 in league play that comes out to 4-8, not 3-9. Bad numbers, can’t get the teams correct equals amateur hour.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    interesting read on how TCU utilizes a 4-2-5 base scheme against up tempo offenses

    http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/6/30/5818160/tcu-football-defense-strategy-formations-xs-os-gary-patterson

  • OSU4life says:
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    We have no-D and no QB. This will be a long season with maybe 3 wins. The only team we should beat in conference is Colorado (they nearly beat us last year BTW). This team will bead a couple of years to recruit the pieces needed to run the new offense.

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    • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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      Who did we lose on D? Besides S. Nelson, I can’t think of anyone who would start over the current starters. Safeties sucked last year and the LB core was way overhyped. Sounds like you miss Riley, or you just are afraid of getting better

      • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        Resident flail backer Tyreque Zimmerman

      • whatever says:
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        I think DJ Alexander was legit and would start this year. Gwachum, while completely underutilized, was good at what he did too.

        That said, I think this year’s defense is overall better.

    • angry angry says:
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      No D and No QB according to who, the media? The same media who said you can’t recruit to Corvallis, Riley is the best we can do, and Nick Mitchell looked the best of the QBs?

      Lolz ensue.

    • Jack says:
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      Do you want a slow clap or the canned laughter? I’ll let you decide this once.

  • Jim says:
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    My hope with Andersen is he turns the Beavers into the Kansas State of the Pac 12.

    • angry angry says:
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      I love Synder. Favorite active coach. I’ll catch myself watching KSU games just to watch the genius.

  • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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    Riley getting sued for 7.5 million! That’s a lot of Schwinn bikes and Big Red gum

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Bad press for OSU. Not good.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        He’s in Lincoln now. The only thing that gets raped there is sisters and corn

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Dude … you forgot the hogs. ….they are feeling sad and neglected by that slight.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      No offense to the victim, but Riley wasn’t even coaching in Corvallis the year this happened. He was down in San Diego with the Chargers. 1999 was Erickson’s first year

      • hellobeavers says:
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        I see others picked up on this right away too. Poor journalism that they didn’t even bother to mention it. I wonder if this woman and her lawyer bothered to check out Riley’s resume beforehand.

      • Jack says:
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        Read on people. I know nothing of the case or its validity. But she’s essentially claiming that if Riley and staff had done anything about the real rape culture that occurred and was covered up by them, she would not have been raped by Calvin Carlyle’s cousin in the same apartment Brenda Tracy was rufied.

        It’s a tenuous argument. But it might be correct.

        • angry angry says:
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          If that’s her argument, it will go nowhere in court.

          • Jack says:
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            I would think so too. It seems like common sense would rule. But there have been many times when I’ve read about (sometimes dealt with) the law where there is no sense involved, common or otherwise.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            LOL … didnt see the link at first. If this is a personal injury action, dont count it out. Personal injury juries are sometimes overly sympathetic and really put the screws to the accused. They have been known to award MORE than what is asked for, on their own.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      that will fly with any jury considering Riley was not the coach of Oregon State in October of 1999. I’m not defending anyone here but what a fucking retarded accusation

      http://www.quickmeme.com/img/7c/7c77ac04f573c5adf6aabdcacb7bbcae7f67e8ec6845a10730d9d54fdd93559f.jpg

    • hellobeavers says:
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      Claim is that this occurred on Oct. 9, 1999. Mike Riley was the SD Chargers coach at that time.

      Not much Oregon State nor the football coaches can do in these situations if the accuser refused to press charges. I suppose they can kick players off the team but if there aren’t any active charges it is just an accusation.

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        Also, it wasn’t a player or even an OSU student.

        Supposedly it was one of Calvin Carlyle’s cousins visiting for the weekend.

    • angry angry says:
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      It sounds like a weak case. Tracey should sue Riley — that’s a strong case.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        But Riley invited her to talk about the ordeal with his team before he skipped town, so it’s all good now.

        • angry angry says:
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          True, true.

          • mckalk says:
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            I swore I read that Riley was going to fly Tracy to Lincoln to speak to his NEW team, I can’t find where that ever happened.

          • angry angry says:
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            It probably happened here

          • mckalk says:
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            I don’t think she did speak to the team before Riley left, but they did give her a job, so I guess that’s something.

      • scotty says:
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        How?

        • mckalk says:
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          How did they give her a job? OSU hired Brenda Tracy as a consultant in July.

    • angry angry says:
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      Lawrence Phillips killed his cellmate, too.
      AND…they still have Mike Riley.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Patiently awaiting Saint Mike to put rape and neat deal in the same sentence or paragraph

  • angry angry says:
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    Thanks to the two people in the thread who stayed on topic and gave opinions whether GA could be this type of coach.

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      Haha. Tough to stay on topic with the headlines this morning. Warning: about to ramble random stream of conscience points that I don’t have time to concisely put together while working:

      I agree GA can be that kind of coach for OSU. He has that super commanding/charismatic presence, and intense competitive fire you want out of a football coach. He seems loyal, and highly respected by everyone he’s ever coached with. I love the personal accountability he’s instilled in the players, and the team/competition elements he’s added to becoming better students and overall better people. I think he’s really tapped into something there making everything in daily life a competition with the athletes. A new way to get through to these18-22 year old young men used to being worshiped because they can catch a ball and keep them on track off the field.

      I think GA also understands that being a great college football coach is like being a great President or CEO: Man at the top needs to have the vision but needs to surround himself with an excellent staff to delegate and effectively see it through. He feels he’s done that. Hopefully Corvallis becomes the breeding ground for the future “Gary Andersen Coaching tree.”

      Start tacking on wins while playing an exciting brand of football and the high rated recruit interest will continue to increase. They seem to be making a lot of inroads with a lot of 4 stars. With that charismatic presents and a record to back it up I see GA being a very good closer. Just need some wins.

      Unlike the others up above I don’t get the feeling Utah is his dream job, haven’t seen him say anything to that effect. Hasn’t he said he’s spiritual but not a practicing Mormon? So SLC shouldn’t be Mecca. Seems like just fan assumption because he’s been a ship jumper. My take is he came here because he fell in love with quintessential college town Corvallis, and was promised it would be “his program” to run the way he wants and has full Admin support. He’s a builder and has been given total authority to build.

      It’s an exciting time to be a part of OSU. Athletics on the upswing across the board, buildings going up, research kicking ass, a lot of exciting projects across the scientific spectrum trying to improve life for generations ahead. I’m proud of the academic direction my Alma Mater’s taken. GA made a great choice, and I think he knows that. Stick around for a while and bring the football program along with the rest of the school.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Badger fans still pissed off and refer to him as the “red nosed MFer.”
        Still butt hurt over the 59-0 shellacking by tOSU. They think PC is their savior. He has the commanding presence of a Chia Pet, so we will see. The connection via the ex coaches with us, Nebraska, and Wisconsin will be fascinating to see who ends up happiest. I’m betting on da Beav’s.

        • angry angry says:
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          Yeah I agree Beavs won that battle. PC and MR are cut from the same cloth, and it sells for ten cents per yard from China.

        • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Commanding presence of a chia pet. Lmfao! Nicely done

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    If the OSU Administration and you blood thirsty fans had just been a little more patient, at the rate of two wins per year, I would have cracked 500% in lifetime wins in just 43 more years. That’s right fans… in 2039. Just in time for my 100th birthday. We would have had one heck of a wing-ding! Oh well…your loss. JB

    • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      You also lost games to North Texas and Pacific. Yes, Pacific. Who no longer has a football program. We prefer that door stays closed

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Regarding the posted topic, I hope GA has found his landing spot, but the thing that concerns me more is the turnover in coordinators. If this offense turns into something special, how long does Baldwin stick around? Does he coach here until he retires? Or does his resume make him attractive enough to other programs that they poach him? He has stated that he made the mistake of leaving GA once before (when he went to CSU) and he will never make that mistake again, so that leaves me feel comfortable on offense for as long as he continues coaching.

    On defense, everybody(the media) talked about Sitake being a candidate for a HC job somewhere in the near future. A coach on the rise. I can’t imagine he sticks around long if those predictions are true. Money talks. If he does leave, does GA have a backup candidate in mind? Being a defensive minded coach, I would think GA is likely to find a replacement DC more easily than he an OC.

    GA does appear to talk the talk, and from his existing head coaching history, he walks the walk too. Good chance he becomes the greatest HC this program has seen. The biggest hurdle in my mind, is he has to contend with a perennial Top 5 team as his in state rival. Previous head coaches at OSU didn’t have that (other than Riley’s last few years) If he can overcome Oregon on a consistent basis, he and OSU will become great together.

    • angry angry says:
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      Sitake doesn’t strike me as a good head coaching candidate. The guy seems dull. It’s hard to imagine him running a program from the top.
      Just because people keep saying it doesn’t make it true.

      I guess if OSU’s D puts up big numbers someone will take a chance on him. I wouldn’t worry about replacing him, though.

      • Jim says:
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        I think you’re exactly right. He got a lot of credit for being under the wings of Whittingham’s defense, and will likely now under Andersen. If he leaves, oh well, next man up.

        • Jack says:
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          I’m selling the “Sitake not a good coach” and “Not Sitake’s D” ideas. Whitt tried really really hard to keep him and almost succeeded. But he lost out to another coach who tried really really hard to get him.

          I have to believe they acted this way because he’s more than a token.

          • Jim says:
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            Being a good implementer of your boss’s defense is a lot different than being a good head coach. Both can be valuable, but are not mutually inclusive.

          • Jack says:
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            At a certain point your boss’ D becomes your D. Maybe that’s his ceiling. That’s fine. I think the consensus is that’s Baldwin’s ceiling on the other side. Someone will eventually give him the chance like Baldwin got, and he’ll prove whichever at that time.

      • CVObeav says:
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        If you hire good people and do well, other people will take an interest in them. Then the question becomes how good is GA’s network for finding replacements. Think some turnover in a staff is good. Look at Riley’s staff, his assistants were rarely recruited by other colleges and when they left it tended to be a lateral move vs a promotion. IMHO they got complacent and stale here.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Baldwin was the head coach at SJSU from 1997-2000 when they beat Stanford two of the the three times they played. I don’t know why his contract wasn’t renewed after 4 years. Maybe someone else has some insight on that. Honestly, I think Baldwin is at the point where he knows where his strengths lie and it isn’t as HC. But what do I know. To quote George Carlin…………Could be meat. Could be cake. It looks like, meatcake

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        Gina reported yesterday that Baldwin drinks between 16-18 diet cokes, DAILY!

        Doesn’t exactly scream of longevity. Hope that habit doesn’t start taking it’s toll on him.

        I don’t think could drink that much liquid in 1 day, let alone that garbage.

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          Wow, that is awful for his teeth (if he has any real ones left).

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          It’ll take a toll eventually. That shit is so bad for you.

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          Was going to say the same thing. I wouldn’t worry about Baldwin leaving for a signficant HC position.

        • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          I ran into him a few months back at Safeway on 53rd. Loading cases of diet coke into his cart. He seemed nice and genuine though. Hey, we all have our vices

          #napkinsmatter

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          I guess on his salary he can afford daily maintenance on a catheter?

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        Hi there WSN… share your sentiments re: pompous ass Jack. I’ve been poking holes in that gasbag since my debut here almost four years ago. He presents so much material. Most of my shots at Jack get lots of +’s so obviously you are not alone. JB

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        SJSU never finished higher than 4th in the WAC during his tenure and he only had one winning season. The AD must have been looking for better results.

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      Sitake has referred to GA as his older brother/father figure – both families are very close. Sitake has 5 kids so not sure he’d want to uproot everyone in another 2-3 years.

      Also, Sitake signed a 3-year contract with the Beavs, which is crazy for a coordinator. There’s only a handful of coordinators around the country that have a 2+ year contract.

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        Sitake = Banker #2?

        Hopefully not because the nickname would be too easy and obvious. Oh, and our D would suck

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Ken Goe must have been reading AB yesterday

    http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2015/09/wednesday_morning_news_notes_l_21.html

    • angry angry says:
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      Oregon State AD Todd Stansbury and coach Gary Andersen emphasize Portland’s importance to the Beavers.

      I thought this was interesting. I remember years ago writing OSU needed to take hold of Portland and should play some games up there. Try to work something out with PSU (A game like Weber St would be perfect to play up there since we expect low capacity), the Blazers for hoops, etc.

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        PSU would kill for that payday, and their program desperately needs that revenue. Would live to see a game at Providence park happen

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          Providence Park is exclusively Futbol. The Timbers insisted.

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            They kicked out baseball, but Portland State football still uses that facility. I go to PSU games there every year. Granted they only pull a few thousand fans per game. That’s why it could be beneficial to both parties. PSU is guaranteed a sell out, and maybe they can work out a deal with OSU that would still be on par with visiting a San Jose St, etc. Capacity is only 22k which is the biggest downside. But OSU could play 3 non conference games without leaving the state of Oregon.

            Makes sense if you’re really trying to scratch the back of your biggest donor base.

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            Capacity of 22k isn’t a downside, it means increased ticket prices…which is especially nice for a bad opponent like Weber St. You couldn’t do it for games vs conference foes. It would have to be the cupcakes. But it seems a way to get more [Portland] presence, lucrative ticket prices, and expand the donor base all from weak games that will draw nothing in Corvallis anyway. Win win for all.

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            Playing in Portland is an excellent idea but not in a 22K stadium so its out for football but Beaver basketball should be doing it on a regular basis. If Portland ever gets a stadium with 40K than football can talk but you can’t go play in a 22K seat stadium, that just looks bad IMO. More than 22K will be in Corvallis Friday. I don’t see it as a win win at all, small timing it never looks good.

            I don’t know what the donor base in the Seattle area looks like (I know about a dozen classmates that live there) but if its big enough working out a neutral site game vs. a team other than the Huskies every few years up there might make some sense.

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            Nevada’s stadium holds 26K, and we’re traveling there in 2018.
            We also have SJSU schedule for an away game a couples years after that. They hold 30K.
            At least this crowd would be 95% orange and black.
            Would love if there was a bigger venue up here for such an event. The camera angles in games rarely show the upper decks anyway, in the large stadiums, so it’s not like the TV crowd would notice much of a difference.

            Baseball does play up here every year, vs UofP, but the start times are always mid day and mid-week, making it tough for people to go.

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            The Beavs played at PSU in 1983. I bet the stadium was even smaller then.

            I don’t think 22k is a big deal considering they’re expecting a small crowd in Reser for Weber State…I think going up to Portland for cupcake games is a great idea. The traveling team would probably appreciate it, too, because it’s a neutral field and easier travel. Since the game would sell out, ticket prices would increase. It’s just a win all around. Who cares if it’s 22k?

            If OSU did this once per year, they could even work with PSU to expand that stadium (give them a bunch of the ticket revenue for a pool to expand the stadium, etc). There are many creative ways to do things.

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            If the alternative was to play a 3rd home OOC home game at Reser, sure that would be the way to go. But if you’re forced to play an away OOC game, there could be worse ways to handle this than working out a deal with PSU.

            Wonder what the payout for playing at Nevada’s 26K stadium will be? Also, subtract the travel expense since they won’t be flying anywhere. I’d imagine it wouldn’t be too hard to make up the difference of a few thousand seats, if PSU wants to play ball too.

            If the ultimate goal is to scratch the back of your donor base up in Portland, and that results in bigger donations for the program, I’ll take it.

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            The last time Weber State played at Providence, they scored 73 points.

            No thank you.

            Beavs and Ducks played games up there regularly (once or twice a year) pre-1970.

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            I’m just gonna agree to disagree, playing in a 22K stadium as a ‘home game’ in Portland would be embarrassing. It’d make OSU a huge joke IMO so I hope they don’t agree with you guys.

            And going to Nevada shouldn’t be happening either so that justification does’t fly with me.

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            How bout instead just building a program strong enough to convince people to drive to Corvallis? Seems like a better idea to me.

      • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        Play the spring game in Portland. No sense in losing revenue from a home game at Reser

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          That’s a good idea, too.

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          be down with that. Would probably draw a bigger crowd than in Corvallis too

        • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Expanding on that idea, OSU and Portland St could host the event at the same location and play their spring games back to back. Just thinking out loud

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            Spring game in Portland makes a ton of sense, regular season game no way but spring. Sign me up.

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      Speaking of Goe……I won’t link the paper, but he had one last lame defense of Riley…quote was something to the effect that many were too hard on Riley at the end and not appreciative of what he had accomplished. Once again, implying that only Riley could have won in Corvallis. I say opportunity missed by Riley with the numerous OUTSTANDING players that he had at his disposal.

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        Goe can put the STD infected duck dick back in his mouth for all I care.

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    Further support for your post, angry. This from ESPN. An informal poll of 100 college football players.

    Gary Andersen gets voted 3rd in the country when players are asked ” Other than your own, who is the best coach in the country?”

    Nick Saban 37 percent
    Urban Meyer 25 percent
    Gary Andersen 4 percent
    Jimbo Fisher 4 percent

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13554639/ohio-state-alabama-players-favorites-win-college-football-playoff

    Sure, the gap is wide after Saban and Meyer, but that is still impressive that his name has the recognition to be the 3rd place guy (tied with Jimbo Fisher) All of the other top 4 guys have won national championships in the last 5 years.

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    This GA quote is weird.

    How are Andersen’s nerves on the precipice of his first outing at the Beaver helm?

    “It’s very unsettling right now because of how young we are,” he said. “I’m anxious to see where we’re at.

    “I know our guys are going to play hard. I know they’re going to be excited. I worry about them emotionally a little bit, being too high in that first game, jogging out of that tunnel in front of those fans. I probably worry too much. It’s better for me to not keep watching film and just let them go play a little bit.”

    Dude, it is Weber State. What’s he going to say before Michigan? lol

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      They came out shaky on the first drives of both scrimmages in fall camp, but eventually they settled in. He’s probably basing it off that.

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        Its kind of cool actually. He sounds like a parent on their kids first day of Kindergarten.. Nervous and anxious for them… praying they wont shit their pans or call the teacher a dumb ass after hearing you talk with your homies. You have taught them the best you could and now their on their own. He’s never had these guys play a real game before so the nerves are real.

        “Cute”.

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          I liked it too. It’s outside of the typical ‘coach speak’.

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      Hey, he has surely watched film of Riley leading us to losses against D2 teams, so he is worried — maybe its endemic…?. He is out on a limb, career-wise. Nervous time….

  • bennybeav says:
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    Hey guys, I’ve been following this blog for about a month now and enjoy both the posts and discussions. I figured it was time to sign-up and maybe contribute to the comments occasionally.

    I’m a beaver alumni (2008 & 2015), and am now working as an engineer in Corvallis.

    Just wanted to say hello everyone, thanks to angry for a cool blog, and Go Beavs!

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      nice to have some new points of view come contribute.

      any significance with your screen name? have you spent time in the benny beav suit?

  • cj cj says:
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    Good thoughts for Jess Lewis!

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      Yeah… speaking of all time Beav greats…
      http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/09/jess_lewis_and_the_fight_for_h.html

      • cascade HS72 says:
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        That asshole got my cousin hooked on drugs and she lived a horrible life because of him and she died an ugly death because of him. Jess Lewis my ass

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          Sorry about your cousin, but I’m sure Lewis didn’t force her onto drugs as you intimate. That rarely happens.

          Lewis was able to turn his life around and make something out of it.

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            Didn’t say anything about force, those are your words. Lewis got her hooked. Gave her drugs, gave her a place to do drugs. Lied to her parents about drugs. Helped destroy her life.

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            yet your cousin went along with all of it. Yup, totally his fault

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            Now now… Jess will be the first to tell you he left a wake full of devastation. I would try to see that the cousin was his bottom, and that contributed to the years of good he did for others, some with similar problems, in trying to make amends for things that can never be made right. I would try to make that her legacy instead of remembering her pain.

            Not everyone can chuckle at themselves eating a napkin on youtube and say, “That was my low point.” Addiction does different things to different people. But mostly it makes them someone they’re not.

            Sorry for your loss.

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            I’m sorry for his loss too, but solely blaming Jess Lewis is total bs. Jess chose to turn his life around. Poster’s cousin could have done the same. Yet chose not to. Sick and fucking tired of the blame everything under the sun except ourselves society we live in. It’s called personal accountability

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            Lighten up bud. The more you explore individual responsibility, the more grey it becomes. Ultimately, we make our final decisions with our behavior, but that path isn’t so clear and black and white. We don’t live in a “blame everything under the sun except ourselves society”. We live in a society where people start thinking about the process and journey of human behavior. We ask what elements come into play with a person’s choices. We ask why someone does something.

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            He didn’t say it was all his fault. I’m sure her family blamed her for a lot of what she did to herself as well. There might be others too. At least one of the surviving family has no good will for Jess.

            It happens.

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            you said it best. Choices. I wasn’t trying to come off as an asshole (it just comes naturally for some of us). Blaming Lewis for the loss of his cousin isn’t going to bring them back. And yes, we do live in a society where some tend to look elsewhere for blame. When in reality we should be looking in the mirror first. Choices. We all make them. And live with the consequences

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            “That asshole got my cousin hooked on drugs and she lived a horrible life because of him and she died an ugly death because of him. Jess Lewis my ass”

            ^^^yes, that is sole blame

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            When you look in the mirror, you see the reflection of all that makes your being: yourself, your family, your friends, your community, your enemies.

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            No one gets someone else hooked on drugs. The druggie’s genetic propensity for addiction did it. No drug is univerally addictive on use.

            And to blame someone else for another’s choices is the weakest kind of denial. Yeah, there are slaves who have no choice, but that dont apply to the cousin. Dont want to take a chance on getting addicted? Dont do the drugs. The only thing to blame is the DNA, and you are stuck with what you got.

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    Saint Mikey sez he is “committed to harassment free culture”. No mention of rape though so it’s all good.

    No shit sherlock. Thank you Nebraska

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/09/ex-osu_head_football_coach_mik.html#incart_big-photo

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      I wonder if he’s committed to a “don’t murder your cellmate” culture, too.

  • Bill says:
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    Prediction – QB to get the first snaps.

    If OSU gets the ball on a touchback or less than the 25yd line, MM will get the first snaps.

    If OSU gets a good return, SC will get the first snaps.

    • angry angry says:
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      A prediction thread could be fun. Who scores the first TD? Who throws the first TD?

      I’m going with Storm Woods scores the first, McM throws the first.

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      I surprised nobody made note of it, but MM was at the top of the depth chart.

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        ‘McM will NEVER start a game for OSU, ever.’

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          “100% GUARANTEE”

          I don’t think we need to rub his nose in it any further.

          And, he could still be right. MM could get hit by a bus tomorrow. The rapture could occur. The players could run out of the inflatable helmet and see that OSU was using real fireworks this year… which, in turn, would scare the players and make them try to run back into the helmet, now deflated because a mortar fell on it… causing MM to get trampled… ending his career before it starts.

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        I think it was by numerical order

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          Made me go and look at the Oregonian article. It’s not by numbers, but there are “OR”s by some of the players, meaning 1 -or- 2. QB is one position. RB is another. DE is another, and on and on. I take that as 1a and 1b, a still unsettled battle but given some preference to 1a.

  • angry angry says:
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    First defensive touchdown? First special teams TD?

    I’m going with Inspector Clouseau on a sack, fumble recovery, returned for a TD. Then they put him in on kick return and he takes that to the house, too, for the first special teams TD.

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      I was gonna say above, first TD will be Dockery on a punt return. In fact, he’ll return three punts for TDs in a row. And on the fourth he’ll run close enough to our sideline that Baldwin will trip him up with a diet coke because he wants to finally get the offense on the field.

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    Bright first defensive td. Lucas first special teams

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    Actually I take that back, it would be to perfect if the first defensive score was Peko

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    I’m predicting a fairly low score. I don’t think the offense will dominate. It would be best to have the starters play the whole game. More experience to gain with the new scheme.

    31 – 3. Final score.

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    I haven’t seen it yet, so let’s get this out of the way:

    HA! Angry is saying Gary Andersen is Knute Rocke, Urban Meyer, Tom Osborne, Bo Schembechler, Bear Bryant, etc. What kind of special logic did you use for that one? Meyer asked GA to hold his jock 59 times the last time they coached on the same field.

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    1st TD is Collins on a broken pass play scramble run. 35 yards. It wasn’t really broken though. He was rolling right and the Weber High School fighting Mormons guy was in the vicinity of the 1st receiver, so he thought “fuck this, I’m Seth The Great, I’m tucking this and scoring six myself, the only question remaining: ‘Do I flip into the endzone?’.

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      Webers wobble, but they can’t catch Seth.

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      -STG executes a double gainer with a twist and sticks the landing.
      – Excessive celebration penalty enforced on the extra point try
      -Andersen pulls STG and puts in MMM
      -MMM runs it in for 2 and acts like he been there, handing the ball to the zebra with a tip-o-the-helmet.
      -MMM gives way to Nick early in the third.

      Someone hand me another Obsidian Stout!

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        If STG finished that off with a Beaver Chomp, I’d forgive him.

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        Let’s just abbreviate that to 3M.

        I had a friend in the Marines with the last name of Ceccacci. We called him 5C. Same idea.

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    OT: RE: depth chart
    Where does Lamone Williams fit in the depth chart on the DL? I remember him as being a prized recruit, yet its the other Hawaiian Titus Failauga who has earned the starting role.

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    Remember guys, first game of year for new coach and players with limited experience. GA and coaches intend to probe and test lots of bodies. The game will feature good surprises and mistakes. Ga teams feature kicking game errors. That is how he lost to Auburn. Runaway score predictions that have appeared here are entirely unlikely.

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      Unless you are wrong.

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        I hope he’s wrong about the probing.

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          I don’t mind probing and body testing, but not on a football field.

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            Hmmm… in an open field… suddenly bright lights come flooding down on them… more intelligent beings probing and testing their bodies….

            Where have I heard all this before?

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            Oooh! I forgot the feeling that there were others there, watching them.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Anyone going to watch Utah vs. Michigan tomorrow? Y’know, for scouting purposes?

    • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      I plan to. It’s football and we’ve been waiting awhile

    • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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      Yes.

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      Watching Utah/USC right now. What a boring ass game. There’s a fumble return for a TD on the third play by Utah, a KO TD for USC later and a whole bunch of blah in between.

      Wilson is so bad. This is what I imagine our QBs look like in practices… except I see a lot of clips that show our receivers catching and running in stride. Maybe it’s a matter of turning the lights on? I’ve seen him this bad against other teams too. But I know him best for looking all world against Banker’s defenses.

      So I decide to watch my least favorite player on the field, Max Tuerk (because he’s a cheap shot shit). He sucks.To be fair, Utah’s D line isn’t a converted WR and two walk-on o-linemen. But he was getting handled in the first quarter until he went after Lotuleilei’s knee on a chop block (that was actually called). They laid off him for a bit and made adjustments at the half. In the third quarter he was just a rag doll on one play. He gets no push on the run but can hold his own on a straight bull rush. I wonder how many players he’ll try to maim this year.

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        Is karma, or something, ever gonna catch up with that SOB? How ’bout his coach?

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          I think the coach part is taken care by virtue of the coach just being himself. Tuerk, however, is just slime for doing what he does on a weekly basis. And all that happens is sometimes he gets a penalty called on him. Meanwhile, he ends seasons, dreams and careers because he has zero honor.

          And no, I would not be afraid to say all that to his face. I know exactly how he’ll respond, and I can jump.

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      I’m planning to watch the game as well.

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    One year from tonight. Rodent Bowl 1 in Minneapolis. Ya baby.

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    Cool tradition they started when we opened our new stadium. Does Oregon State do something similar?
    https://mobile.twitter.com/korynealyssa/status/639318227030425601/photo/1

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    I don’t know if anyone caught it on the west coast (Live in TN), but on Mike and Mike they were talking about the player’s poll ESPN released yesterday that had GA #3 coach players want to play for and they assumed it was a typo for TCU’s Gary Patterson and gave GA no credit.

    I know Mike and Mike is a joke, but it is national media and they didn’t know who our coach was and once told it was correct they mistakenly said “Ohio State Coach” and had to be corrected again.

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      that’s interesting considering they were one of the first to interview him last December as he was waiting at the airport in Madison to head to Corvallis. They’re either extremely stupid or have memories as short as their dicks

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      Add Mike Parker to the group and make it Mike, Mike, and Mike. They can argue over who gets top billing

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    Considering the Beavs lone visitor this weekend is Malik Staples, a running back they’ve been after since January who is currently committed to Louisville, I’m guessing they’ll be showcasing their run game as much as possible this weekend. I tend to think they’re not as high on Artavis Pierce as they once were, even though he’s a commit. That’s just a hunch. If Staples or another big back shows the Beavs interest, I wonder if Pierce will stick around?

    Also, saw they’re unveiling a new banner to promote VTV. Will look much better than the rust colored roof currently on the Valley building.

    https://twitter.com/OurBeaverNation/status/639480797968232448

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      I’d want to try to lock down Pierce anyways to keep riding the Florida train and also get he fastest kid in the country 2 years in a row.

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        You’re thinking of Fergusen, when you’re thinking of the fastest kid in the country.

        http://sports.yahoo.com/oregonstate/football/recruiting/player-Javonte-Ferguson-168833

        Pierce is a big running back out of Polk County. I tried to follow his first game last week, and from what I saw, he wasn’t impressing much. Did have a TD that was called back due to penalty, but I also saw several of his runs being stopped for loss, or failure to convert 3&short, 4th&short.

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          He twisted an ankle early, tried to play through it for a bit and didn’t make it through the first half… came out from halftime with no pads or helmet.

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            Was watching someone’s twitter feed for a bit. Can’t remember if the twist came on a really late hit or not. That’s the impression I got.

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            Ok, that could explain it. I’ll try to dig up a recap if it’s out there.

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            Sounds like you heard right, Jack

            Auburndale turned the ball over four times and lost star tailback Artavis Pierce to injury as the Bloodhounds lost to the visiting Tigers 24-7 at Bruce Canova Stadium………………………………..

            ………………Pierce suffered his injury in the second quarter when he was hit late out of bounds. The Oregon State commit was held to 13 yards on five carries and did not return.

            http://www.polkpreps.com/article/20150822/NEWS/150829833/1549/SPORTS018004?Title=Auburndale-stumbles-to-start-season

          • Jack says:
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            If the writer of this article has Little Miss Sunshine as his twitter header, that’s the one I was watching at the time.

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            Huh, so Adam Hall’s finishing up his high school diploma, who knew?

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            Oooooo… still hanging on to the hit on James, are we?

            Heh heh.

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          Right. My bad.

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    1 Day out!

    https://youtu.be/xvsGM-rP4Sg

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      Voodoo Child…man I hope that becomes our theme.

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        I appreciate Brick+Mortar changing up the arrangement, but absolutely nothing compares to the original with Casady and Winwood. Of course, neither of them work without Jimi leading the way with that guitar.

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          The original is no doubt the best and always will be, but I’ll take a cover over, say, the chainsaw or the other awful sounds emanating from those loud speakers in Reser. To get rights to the original would probably cost a small fortune…I assume that’s why they did this.

          P.s. I thought Mitch Mitchell drummed on the original?

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            Yeah, the version on Electric Ladyland was Redding and Mitchell. Steve Winwood and Jack Casady were there when Hendrix was developing the song the day before the album version was recorded.

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            Technically correct and incorrect. The only “studio” version as Jimi intended it was recorded with Mitchell, Casady and Winwood. That’s the 15 minute version called Voodoo Chile. The next day was some TV promo they were filming in the studio, and they wanted to get some live recordings done for that with the trio. That’s why the 5 minute version and all live recordings are called Voodoo Child (slight return). The first Jimi album I ever owned was a UK compilation called Voodoo Chile that went off the incorrect name on the original UK release of that first VC(sr) on both EL then the single after his death… called Voodoo Chile (slight return). So I only knew that UK release for a while until I bought EL (US release) and just figured it was a difference in UK/US labeling, as was common. I learned about the true session because the original is simply awesome, and I thought it was some live version because of all the background noise. But Jimi wanted it all recorded that way, apparently. He just told the crew to make all that noise.

            So yeah… the samples on B+M latest cover are Jimi from the slight return and single version. But the original as Jimi intended was the 15 minute cut. Obviously, SRV made a career out of killing it on Jimi covers, and is probably the best at it. But I like Zakk Wylde’s cover with Les Paul on PBS.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1OGQQk5HpM

            That man could play some guitar.
            http://www.myvideo.de/watch/8588112/Jimi_Hendrix_Experience_Voodoo_Chile

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            I don’t like SRV at all, and I hate his tempo on Voodoo Child. It’s too damn fast and makes it more “boogie woogie” than blues (I only heard his live version, though). I just can’t stand SRV’s sensibility.

            I never heard the 15 minute version, but I love Mitch Mitchell’s drumming. Very driving, slightly chaotic, and the way he moves around the kit creates an encompassing/surround vibe. But I like that style of drums. Ted Harvey from Hounddog Taylor, Keith Moon, etc. I really like the chaotic, driving drum sound. Mitchell was a lunatic.

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            You can really hear that from Mitchell on the original. And Jimi finishes it off with a flourish. It has to be the shortest 15 minute song I’ve ever heard. I just want it to keep going.

            And while I disagree with the liking of SRV, I agree with disliking his cover, despite his seemingly unconscious picking, for the reasons you give. But when I read “boogie woogie” I’m going to say it in my head like Long John Baldry would.

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            Speaking of guitar, I love the feel this guy has:

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            That was awesome, Bend. Reminded me of a more kickass version of something like this. Totally worth listening to the 8 minutes to get to the guitar solos.

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            funny, before i clicked on the link i was guessing it would be Gary Clark Jr. I just picked up his live album the other day, finally. It’s worth checking out. I prefer his music when it’s not cut into shorter radio friendly tracks like on his studio albums.

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            It sounds like you like lo-fi, raw and devil may care without the back beat the Brits brought. And I tend to be more drawn to them still because of that. So I stuck more with bands like Siouxsie and Jesus and Mary Chain when listening to that genre.

            But then I wasn’t as into it as I was jazz, blues, folk and powerpop. So I missed the live scene in the genre for the most part. What was tied into the grunge scene I caught quite a bit. But that was more a matter of venues available and the coast tours some bands took. I remember some of these guys coming through and playing the coffee shop circuit. That’s where I remember first seeing Green Day… in a little coffee shop on Monroe in Corvallis.

            This does remind me a lot of some old days talking to people like Tim Davenport. Those were some really interesting times, music-wise in Corvallis.

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            It sounds like you like lo-fi, raw and devil may care

            Yeah, basically, but a lot of other stuff, too. They just don’t tend to be as influential. But I like punk, jazz (especially ragtime), classical, bluegrass, etc. I really like all music. I can’t think of a style I dislike (I dislike a lot of artists in various genres, but not the genre itself). It’s just a matter of how influential it is, and the “raw” stuff tends to be most influential, and as we move up the spectrum toward structure and polished, I don’t like it as much. This explains why lo-fi, delta blues, and punk are probably the 3 biggest influences.

            Huge J&M chain fan, too, Jack. I always thought Darklands was their best, yet critics keep telling me to like Psychocandy. Critics in that genre are VERY annoying and pretentious.

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            I can think of a couple genres I don’t like. Death metal comes to mind. But that has to do with the vocals. I guess it’s not really a genre unto itself. It’s just speed metal instrumentals plus someone burping in my ear.

            Bubble gum pop can really get tiresome. I think that has more to do with none of the artists having any connection to some of the very real issues they sing about sometimes. So it just sounds like someone trying to sell me magazine subscriptions on my doorstep. I can catch myself bouncing to some cute little tunes that are catchy and meaningless. But I’m not going to sit still and listen to a teenager tell me about love and heartache. I couldn’t even do it when I was that age… except for the Jackson Five.

            Christian music isn’t and is a genre. I read an interesting commentary on it that essentially said it has genre of its own which can be excellent, and that’s called Gregorian Chants. Everything else is just music from various genres with Christian lyrics. Some, like Norman Greenbaum and the gospel greats, do very well in the genres they choose. Almost all the rest are crap made by people with no intention of getting better because they have a built-in loyal fan base who tells them they’re great and buys their music. The commentary went on to say the perspectives of these loyal fans weren’t necessarily wrong just because they support the lyrical content. They were wrong because all they had for comparisons were what they heard in church on Sundays. He said that borrowing a genre and trying to fit a message of peace, love, introspective penance and salvation is just square-peg-round-hole stuff. Chants are not only utilized in Christianity. They’re universal in religion for a reason. And that has to do with the meditative state. They also are trying to appeal to contemporary musical genres, and essentially lose their meaning when doing so. Think suburban white boy with sideways cap and droopy drawers walking around saying “yeah boi” to everyone. Or the more cynical may be just like pop culture and are selling for a profit. Either way, they aren’t genuine.

            I think “critics” are susceptible to emotion. They recall a time when the band was their secret. They could go to the local bar/hall and see them and listen to them and connect because they were living with the band in the moment. Then the band gets some notoriety and actually gets better, but the fan gets older and doesn’t connect with the new stuff as much. So the old stuff must be better. And that must be true of every band, because what they hear is that rough sound in the first album of everyone. But all it ends up being is what the critic feels connects to him or her, not actual musical genius. Newsflash for some of these critics… some of these bands don’t even get a record deal until years after their rough sound are gone and they change their style to become more mainstream. After having some success, some of them go back to their roots, and the critics dislike that? That’s not an objective listening.

            As far as JAMC is concerned, I rate Psychocandy and Darklands about the same. They’re different, and I would listen to one over the other depending on different moods. I’ve mellowed a lot over the years, and I’d probably be more in the mood for the latter most of the time. But my favorite of their albums (and the one I listen to most) is Munki. It’s like they took everything they learned and felt over the years and put it all together with the perfect amount of this and that here and there. I loved them because they always told a story, and critics hated this album because the damn story wasn’t obvious to them. But it was the best they told IMO.

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            Come to think of it… Munki is probably just a grown up Darklands, so I might have to agree with you on it being better than PC.

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            SRV got by on that unconscious picking. He was a pretty crap songwriter, though. Everyone I know who likes SRV is a gearhead/shredder who likes style over substance. I get that virtuoso picking is impressive, but I don’t agree that it’s musical, and to me “musical” music trumps raw musicianship. This all comes down to what’s important and impressive to someone though. But to me, guys like SRV are like the musical equivalent of McMansions. They are kind of impressive and you know the guy living in there is good at something, but they’re kind of corny and awful, too.

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            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=udNHsk57f24

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            SRV could almost literally do it unconsciously. He was so bombed half the time they had to bring out a chair for him to sit on… stooped over sideways. But nobody cared because he would just plug away. His more thoughtful stuff came after he went dry. He wasn’t just stuck in show-off mode. His last album with his brother is some pretty good stuff. I think you’re saying it’s good because (not despite) it is such a departure from his more thoughtless stuff.

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            Jack, I get that he is technically a virtuoso, but to me that is not always “musical” or good songwriting. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing more to it.

            I like a lot of the mainstream guitar heroes (Hendrix, Page, etc). Townshend is one of my favorites, again, because he’s just a wailer and complete lunatic. A lot of my favorites are either blues (Hounddog Taylor for his incredible slide work, Leadbelly …MS John Hurt, Mance Lipscomb, Blind Blake, Robert Johnson, et al — almost any Delta player) or American underground (J Mascis, Doug Martsch, Isaac Brock, Ash Bowie, Ira Kaplan, Bob Mould, etc). I really love the “controlled chaos”, sometimes dipping into complete chaos style.

            Curious what you think of the American Underground/Indie players. That’s the style I play in…chaotic, melodic, musical…I like to finger pick some delta style, too.

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            I’d note also that in his later years he went away from VC as his Hendrix go-to song and adopted Little Wing as his mainstay. That, IMO, is his better side. It’s too bad he died when he did. It’s like he did the complete opposite of what Roy Buchanan did. Roy went all show-off as his life went into hyperslide. It was amazing stuff, but it lacked the soul and pain he exuded earlier in his career.

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            I’m not sure it gets any more badass then playing slide guitar with a broken finger and pocket knife (that Mance probably stabbed someone to death with…lol). The idiots today would get on him for “fret knocking” with it, and that’s the problem with modern players.

          • Jack says:
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            When you say Indie stuff, are you talking about Los Campesinos (sp) and Arctic Monkeys and in that vein?

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            Damn. Gotta go. Pick this up later.

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            I was speaking specifically the the bands/players mentioned (J Mascis, Doug Martsch, Isaac Brock, Ash Bowie, Ira Kaplan, Bob Mould). Just curious if you (a) know them and (b) what you think of that style.

            One more note on slide guitar: I really can’t stand what Duane Allman did to the slide. He basically neutered it and took out the spirit of the original slide players. You don’t see many of the original slide guys muting the left hand, and definitely not the right. Those strings ringing out are what give the haunting sound. With Allman, we have all of that cleaned up with both hands muting any string that’s not being played, and we’re left with a neutered version of the “blues”. Some of Allman’s stuff is good, but man is it neutered and lacking any balls.

            I mean watch the Lipscomb video and he’s doing everything technically incorrect, yet it’s better than anything a modern slide player could produce.

            This goes back to my idea of musically trumping any virtuoso playing.

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            Ahh… I thought you were talking about the youngsters. Of course I’ve heard of these guys. I can see where you get some of your influences with guys like Mascic and Martsch on the list. Modest Mouse, Polvo, Yo La Tengo (Kaplan is a madman)….

            I can’t give a pass on Husker Du. Mould’s strumming is muddy, off-key (not in any consistent way), off-tempo and drawing away from some pretty good work by Hart and Norton. What he did on Zen Arcade pisses me off to no end. You had two guys putting in one of the most honest days of work that ever was in music, and then you have Bob with his little two note solos (with a third thrown in at the end to make it cool or something) or little scribble inserts that just make you want to jump on stage and smack the dude. I was chastised more than once for not putting them and Sugar on my playlists. But I just couldn’t stand listening to it. And it wasn’t in an Alice in Chains kind of way where I knew the music was great but I just wouldn’t buy it. It was like that feeling I get every time I hear REO Speedwagon come on over the radio. And, after turning it off, I hear all the same “Hey! I like that song” noises from fans of either band… in the same whiny voices.

            Take out Mould and put in Thurston Moore. Then I can like your list.

            But that still doesn’t address two big questions. I know you said American. But why do you leave Glenn Mercer and David Kilgour off your list of influences?

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            I never heard of Mercer. I had to look him up. The Feelies…I remember that band, but never listened to them.

            The Clean are fantastic. “Oddity” an amazingly fun song. Not a huge influence b/c the lack of chaotic leads and such, but an influence. I’d put their guitar work in the same camp as Modern Lovers, Pavement, etc — offbeat and interesting, but not blistering or chaotic.

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            Ugh! I missed with my answer… and now it doesn’t make sense. It’s above.

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            Yeah, I just caught it and replied. No biggie.

            Hey we might not both be Birches (lol), but we’ll always have a love of music in common.

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    Slightly off topic but Conforto is on fire with the Mets right now. Platooning for now. I figured he would have been back down to AA by now because he was brought up so fast and it’s unusual for a position player to make the jump from AA. Also figured he’d be in a tough spot being in the mets org but they are doing well.

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      He’s such a good clubhouse presence, and baseball fans and admin dare not draw the ire of the baseball gods when something suddenly starts working. His call up was so anticipated that the coincidence of them beginning a hot streak couldn’t just be a coincidence. Could it?

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        Yeah, but he brings that questiionable D!
        lol

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        The mets were doing alright without him. Borderline playoff team. They weren’t as bad as everyone imagined/claimed. I live in NYC and have a few colleagues that are excited about him. Definitely a spark.

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          add the fact that the Nationals have hordes of injuries and are a complete mess

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      It’s nice being a lifelong Met fan right now. (a) they’re good and (b) they have Conforto.

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        His batting stance and build remind me of “Donny Baseball”……I hate the Yankees, but Mattingly was a very good hitter.

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          Really? I don’t see the stance as similar. Mattingly was in a crouch and exploded out of it upon contact. Conforto is more upright.

          i think he’ll be that type of hitter eventually, though, with a .300 average and 25-30hrs, but maybe not for a few years. He’s more a gap hitter for now with good power, but I don’t consider him a HR hitter yet. Conforto has an excellent eye as well. It’s probably the most important trait in any hitter, but for a young guy it is such an asset.

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            More of an Eric Karros type to me, except Karros kicked his back leg… which was weird.

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            Not a crouch, but look at the swings, line drive power, same body type.

  • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    beavergopher,

    How do you like Minnesota’s chances against TCU?

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    Baldwin channels Casey here,

    I’ve told them (the players) from Day 1, you’ll dictate to me what the personnel (will be) and what plays will be called with your ability,” Baldwin said.

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-beavers-to-unveil-new-offense-on-friday/article_df015bbd-4b8f-5c59-82b3-76da051a794d.html

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      I find it funny and fitting how Andersen hand picked his coordinators. He’s got the eccentric, efficiency and stats obsessed Baldwin on O, and the calm but aggressive Sitake on D. I love how Baldwin takes a mathematicians philosophy on O: we need this many redzone points, this amount of yards on 1st down, this conversion percentage on 3rd down, etc.

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    Back from Michigan recon!

    At the PDX airport I saw a guy in a Utes shirt and one in a Michigan football shirt. Must be time to go watch the game down there. I also walked back and forth in the peoplemovers because those are fun and I am easily amused

  • angry angry says:
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    Let’s use the CHAT for tonight’s Michigan/Utah game.

    http://angrybeavs.com/chat

    Let’s use the CHAT for tonight’s Michigan/Utah game.

    http://angrybeavs.com/chat

    Let’s use the CHAT for tonight’s Michigan/Utah game.

    http://angrybeavs.com/chat

    Let’s use the CHAT for tonight’s Michigan/Utah game.

    http://angrybeavs.com/chat

    Let’s use the CHAT for tonight’s Michigan/Utah game.

    http://angrybeavs.com/chat

  • 2 says:
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    Love that I said I wouldn’t worry about the mascot as much as advertising/making the stadium look cooler. Next thing you know we’re covering the roof of valley center with advertising for the addition. I had zero insight, but damn the athletic department seems like it’s on the right path in my eyes

    • angry angry says:
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      They were completely asleep at the wheel. Now they’re on Benadryl at the wheel. I guess that’s an improvement, yeah.

      • 2 says:
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        It’s a start. It’s going to take a little time. I bet by next season there won’t be much if anything to be critical of

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Oh, ye of little faith…. There will always be shit to be critical of….dont worry.

  • 2 says:
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    I guess our stadium is going to be half done for the foreseeable, that alone will get plenty of people to be critical. Probably rightfully so, cause it’s ugly and we are trying to be a big time program, but maybe other than that we should be in pretty good shape.

    • angry angry says:
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      Apparently ticket sales are low…I don’t see the need to add more seats.

      • 2 says:
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        I agree. I’m just saying that’s an easy target to complain about, and it is ugly. But I’m on the same page as you angry.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      On blitz the other day they were talking about the west side construction and how, apparently, to work on that project that side would have to be closed down for a season. Its not as easy as it was when they rebuilt the east side. Beavs would have to play in a half stadium for a year, or move to Providence park or even Autzen, if you could imagine that. Sounds like big issue they havent decided how to address yet. Seattle is another option. Would mean excluding a huge portion of your donors for a year, or moving your entire fanbase.

      • angry angry says:
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        They should work out a deal with the Ducks to play at Autzen when Oregon’s on the road. Beaver and Duck fans hate one another, but I don’t think the administrations do.

        • Numbers says:
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          I like that idea. Even though it’s quite sad that modern construction moves slower than the old days.

          • Ackrite says:
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            Not an issue of Modern vs Old it is an issue of that they can do before tear down the existing stands. When the build the east side they were able to build the entire foundation before they removed the old bleachers. You couldn’t do that with the west side, you’d have to tear it down before you should even start.

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            Ackrite has it correct. On the east side they had room to build the towers while keeping the bleachers below open. On the west, it would be a total tear down prior to rebuilding.

        • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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          I just puked in my mouth a little

          • Numbers says:
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            Oh come on, they would hate it sooo much more than we would

      • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        But Stanford can build an entire stadium and have it ready for the following season? They did have to move a home game with SJSU to San Jose. I’m calling bullshit

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          Me too.

          • SanDiegoBeav says:
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            Agree. They could easily tear down the entire West side and finish the lower level and build some temporary grandstands for the upper level for one season. The capacity would be decreased for one season but it wouldn’t be too substantial. Closing down for an entire season is a BDC type excuse.

  • angry angry says:
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    I’m in the CHAT room for the UTAH/MICHIGAN game.
    Any comments here about that game will be deleted. This thread is for Beav related talk, and we don’t need it cluttered up.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Boyd pitching, has a 3 run lead, but just gave up 2 in the B1 and hasn’t gotten anybody out.

    • angry angry says:
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      As I’ve said many times, he’s not an MLB starter. Move him to the pen, watch him shine. It’s that simple.

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        Your usually right, maybe thats what they should do. He is still young in his development.

        • angry angry says:
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          Well to be a starter you need 3 excellent pitches. He has two pretty good pitches…and a couple awful secondary pitches. He could kill it as a specialist or 7th inning guy.

  • Beaver Juice says:
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    Put the beaver or OSU logo on the black helmets. Whatever your brand is you got to show it until you become a household name nation wide.

    • scotty says:
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      Put “Beaver Juice” on all the water bottles and cups on the sideline

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Hey, is there any way to go through old chat logs? I missed the Michigan-Utah game, but I would love to see read some of your thoughts that were posted as it happened.

    • Numbers says:
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      Yeah, I disagree with not making a thread on that game, considering the size of next weeks game.

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