Here are Hank’s answers to your questions.
Q: I feel like we ask this every year, but is Shaw is starting to get a little bit on the hot seat at Stanford?
A: Things are different at Stanford, so this is really a two-part question. First, fans are definitely upset. I still support Coach Shaw, but this mainly because I value past performance. Stanford won only three games last season, but even if they were to go 3-9 for each of the next five years, the Rose Bowls would still outweigh that in my mind. I was able to go the Rose Bowl and watch my team three times in four years, and I have Shaw to thank for that. Additionally, I like that he is the face of the program. That being said, that opinion puts me in a rapidly dwindling minority. Most fans aren’t just tired of Shaw, and they’re past the point of being concerned. They want him fired, and they want him fired today. I’m not blind. There are clear problems, and I wish Shaw would bring in new coordinators on both sides of the ball, specifically an offensive coordinator who would be more than just a figurehead, as Tavita Pritchard appears to be. This team is stagnant in its thinking, its scheme, its game planning, and its play calling.
But even considering all of that, I don’t think Shaw’s on the hot seat. If Stanford were to right the ship, win eight straight games by an average of 25 points, win the Pac-12 Championship game, and then beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, I would be less surprised than I would be if Shaw were fired during the off-season.Athletic director Bernard Muir has a track record of patience (look at the ineptitude of the men’s basketball team in recent years. Jarrod Haase deserves firing more than Shaw, in my opinion, but Shaw needn’t worry. If I do have a concern regarding Shaw it’s that he might leave on his own accord. He’s clearly aware of the changing landscape of college football, and he voiced some concerns in the aftermath of the loss to USC, a team with a brand new staff and more than 25 incoming transfer students. Essentially said, (paraphrasing) “They’re gonna do what they do, but we’re gonna keep doing what we do — recruit players and develop them. So Shaw could get frustrated and leave, but he’ll never be fired.
Q: Which CB/DB is your best defender/ball hawk to where the QB’s should not throw in the vicinity when passing to our WR’s?
A: Kyu Blu Kelly is the best cornerback, and one of the best in the conference, but picked up an undisclosed injury during last week’s game, and he won’t be playing this week. That’s definitely an area of concern.
Q: Is the fullback no longer being used?
A: There was a small change in the Stanford offense, and the fullback is no longer as significant, although there are still fullbacks on the roster. Stanford has included a slow mesh read-option game inspired by Wake Forest. In a nutshell, it looks like a standard RPO, where the quarterback puts the ball in his running back’s arms but sometimes pulls it back and keeps it. In the slow mesh the quarterback and running back stay connected for longer, as the quarterback waits to see if the linebackers are going to come up for run support or drop into coverage. The idea is that the quarterback forces the linebackers to make a decision, and then he takes what they give him. The scheme worked beautifully against USC, but we haven’t seen it as much in subsequent games against Washington and Oregon. Who knows what will happen on Saturday.
Q: Does Stanford have any big TE targets like they have in the past?
A: Ben Yurosek is the next great Stanford tight end. He’s big and fast, though not quite as fast as Coby Fleener. He’s got great hands, but he’s athletic enough that he can find his way into the gameplay in surprising ways. Earlier this year they gave him the ball on a reverse, and he rambled for fifty yards. But Tanner McKee has a lot of targets this year, so Yurosek hasn’t been the focus.
Q: Stanford has continued to recruit well in recent years, but seems to be way underperforming the talent they’re bringing in. Is there a certain unit that has underwhelmed, or have the issues been across the board?
A: They’ve had trouble in the two most important areas, in my opinion — offensive and defensive lines. There has been some underachieving, particularly on the offensive line, but there have also been injury issues over the past five years, a long enough stretch that some are wondering if it’s a strength and conditioning problem. We’re only four games into the season, and already it’s a shambles. Branson Bragg, the projected starting right guard, missed the opener with an undisclosed injury, then announced his retirement from football a few days later, citing concussions as well as other mental health issues. Left tackle Walter Rouse and right tackle Myles Hinton have both missed time, and for a long stretch of the USC game both tackles were out. During Shaw’s weekly presser yesterday he listed Hinton and lineman Barrett Miller as questionable. There have been no updates on that but in Shawspeak, “questionable” almost always means “out.”
As for the defensive line, you’ll see the problem immediately. They’re woefully small. They’ve tried to make up for that deficiency by switching from the 3-4 scheme Stanford has run for years and employing a 4-3, and there have been times when they’ve tried to take advantage of athleticism (since there is no brute strength) by playing only down lineman alongside three standing rushers. The most talented player on the defensive line is true freshman David Bailey. He’s a future star, but unless we’re talking about Jadaveon Clowney, you don’t want a true freshman to be your best lineman.
Q: Stanford has played possibly the toughest schedule in the country so far. Are they better than their record indicates?
A: That’s also part of the problem. Yes, Stanford has multiple issues as detailed above, but I also believe that the Pac-12 is rising. USC, Washington, and Oregon could up being three of the four best teams in the conference along with Utah. (I know that UCLA beat Washington, but I’m not sure I believe in the Bruins just yet; it will like me a while to forget that they needed a late field goal to beat South Alabama.) Stanford has been improving over the past three games, but a three game stretch in which you host USC and then travel to Seattle and Eugene in consecutive weeks would be difficult for anyone in the conference.
Q: How has the transfer portal, and NIL, affected Stanford?
A: The transfer portal has affected Stanford solely because they can’t take advantage of it. For most schools it’s a revolving door, but at Stanford it’s a one-way exit. They have exactly one transfer player this year, safety Patrick Fields, but even he didn’t come in a conventional way. He finished his career at Oklahoma, then applied to a Stanford graduate program on his own merit, the same way any graduating senior would. The Stanford coaching staff had no idea about this until Fields was accepted and then called Shaw to let him know he’d be on campus as a student and was interested in playing. Meanwhile, Stanford’s last three opponents welcomed arguably the three best quarterbacks in the conference along with several other incoming transfers (two dozen in the case of USC). The college football landscape has changed dramatically in just the last two years, and more and more people are beginning to wonder if Stanford can compete.
As for NIL, you’d think there would be some wealthy Stanford donors willing to drop some money to help entice recruits, but that hasn’t happened. I’m not sure why, but it could be that the University doesn’t want to be seen as buying players. There are already those who question the high percentage of athletes in each Stanford admissions class, and high profile NIL deals would only exacerbate that issue. But this is purely speculation on my part.
Q: What should be made of Michael Wilson only getting one reception vs Oregon? How often is he being used as a decoy?
A: Michael Wilson is the Cardinal’s top receiver, and he had a huge game the week before against Washington, but for some reason the Stanford offense has never been able to highlight on particular receiver. He wasn’t used as a decoy last week, he just wasn’t used. Part of the problem was that McKee rarely had much time to throw. As I alluded to above, the wide receiver unit is the deepest and most talented group on the team, with Elijah Higgins and Brycen Tremayne also getting a fair amount of targets. Even if the offense were humming along smoothly without any issues, there would still games where one guy or another would be left out in the cold.
I posted this question too late, “Another question: If Lindgren wises up and uses sweeps and reverses to defeat a Stanford D which will, likely, stack the box, how does Hank see the Stanford D holding up? Does the Stanford front 7 have the speed to respond or the muscle to break up these types of plays before they get to the edge?”
Guess Hank gave some info on this topic when he discussed the D-line. Doesn’t sound likely that they’ll bust through to stop these kinds of plays before they begin but that “athleticism” may translate into good persuit??
Should the Beavs keep it simple with just hitting the A or B gap? Obviously a mixture of rushes is needed, just wondering what to emphasize.
That’s the thing — there’s athleticism, but not a lot of speed. You can find success spreading this defense out or by going right at it. Unfortunately. Oregon had lots of success running the ball, sometimes stretching, and sometimes pounding.
Thanks, buddy. Always enjoy your comments and appreciate your book project.
Small opposing DL and a young QB making his first start? We should be running on them all day.
He’s not going to start.
Has Cody Anderson played at all this season? I’ve always liked his effort. Strange that he wouldn’t be playing unless he’s hurt. Lolohea is a developing star and Rawls is good Sandberg is solid but not going to make a lot of plays. They need another guy to step up. Hodgins hasn’t really done much.
Was assuming the net effect of the transfer portal would be negative for Stanford, but didnt realize how bad it was. Similar story at Colorado as well, where the higher admissions standards make for easy exits but barriers to entry. They lost several high impact guys last offseason but didnt appear to bring any in.
Beavs benefitted from Colorados higher bar with the Wright Brothers and Alton Julian. All 3 were set to go to CO but Rejzohn couldnt get in, so Blue Adams was able to swoop in and land all 3.
As far as NIL, I’d imagine the wealthy Stanford alum don’t get as many jollies from football as some other schools alums, like USC. So less likely to dump extra cash into the sports programs.
“You’re my boy Blue! You’re my boy.”
– Frank the Tank
Hope NIL all going to the Neurosurgeon. We are down in PA in three weeks for wife’s cranial surgery. In the meantime, go Beavs!
Best of luck. Hope her recovery is swift and complete.
Good luck man hopefully all goes well and she is healthy soon!
That sounds serious. Good luck to her and you, buddy. Feel free to use this blog to start a crowdfund or promote any funding help you need.
Heavy. Hope everything works out for you.
Thanks everyone. The director of NS is doing the work, so we couldn’t have a better chance of success. If it goes well, it eliminates the continual pain and can be life changer per previous patients.
She claims she got it by listening to me say “Stupid Beavers” repeatedly most falls and winters.
Hang in there, buddy. Your positive attitude is good medicine.
I read a study that said hearing someone yell “Run the goddamn ball!” over extended periods of time can cause cranial damage.
Time to put a TV in the garage.
Good point, I might have said once also.
I also thought of a question for Hank too late: what is the Stanford perspective on joining the Big 10–administration, coaches, players, fans?
That’s a good one. Maybe he will read it here.
My answers to his questions should go up today as well.
My own perspective is that there have been so many rumors over the past two months that I’ve decided not pay attention to any of them. I think it’s ridiculous that USC and UCLA have chosen to leave, and not just because I like that Stanford plays them every year. I understand that this whole thing — and by “whole thing” I mean college football — is driven completely by money, it’s still somewhat surprising that they aren’t even pretending to care about their student-athletes. Just imagine the amount of time these players will be spending on planes. There won’t be any short trips to Arizona or the Bay Area, instead every game will be at least a four-hour flight, and MANY of them will be longer. But it’s about money, I get it.
Hopefully the conference will either try to survive as the Pac-10 or maybe pickup two more teams — but I don’t know who those teams would be. Fresno State might make sense for football, but not in many of the other sports, adding a school like BYU would be problematic. It’s too bad we didn’t add Texas and Texas A&M ten years ago back when everyone was sure we’d become the Pac-16.
This was all obviously a big topic at media day, but certainly not among the players. I had a conversation with the Stanford communications director about how they prepare the players for the event, and I suggested that the players probably didn’t care about realignment, and he agreed whole-heartedly. Shaw, however, has said openly that he wishes USC and UCLA hadn’t left. That’s probably true for all of the other nine coaches, too.
Wait wait wait wait wait…so you got a press pass to media day?
Angry, you’re slacking!
Going to media day is by far the greatest perk of running my blog. I mean, this isn’t the SEC, so I think the Pac-12 is happy to welcome anyone who wants to show up and help promote the conference and its individual teams — even someone with small readership like me. I worry that with UCLA and USC abandoning ship next year will be the last time media day is in LA, but if they move it someplace reasonable, like the Bay Area, I’d get on a plane to go. It’s that much fun.
How did you get the media pass? Can you email me the details on that?
“By night, I write about Stanford football with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind; by day I am but a mild-mannered middle school English teacher. This list allows my readers to help support my classroom library if they are so inclined.”
https://www.gomightycard.com/2012/12/gmc-book-club.html
Thank you Hank, happy to support your classroom.
BTW Angry, thanks for compiling the questions and presenting Hank’s responses.
Angry is it possible to do more of these? I see Hank has one with all of the opponents.
With bloggers from other teams? I guess I could put a tweet out and see if anyone else wants to do it.
My answers to his questions should be live on his site tomorrow, btw.
A friend of mine from high school is a writer on Fishduck.Com if you want to strike it up.
Still doesn’t look like it’s up.
Maybe you can ask Hank for some of gis connects.
Now it is, though his site is having some issues so see if it loads: https://www.gomightycard.com/2022/10/blogging-with-the-enemy-oregon-state-beavers.html
Angry channeling his inner Gary Andersen gushing over Griffin’s “chiseled body.”
I’m more concerned that I forgot we beat Stanford last year…lol.
I noticed that also, but you can just tell people you were talking about the road losing streak, which stretches back to 2006, I think.
That what she said….
Why do I get the feeling that all the signs point towards us running the ball to win, poor qb play, wr drops, Stanford D doesn’t appear to be great vs run and yet we WILL NOT see a run heavy game plan from Lingren. I mentioned this in prior posts that now we’re starting to see who the coaches really are when we were giving “passes” with the lack of talent and its not their guy type stuff. At least offensively, we seem to place the desire to be a great passing team higher than the desire to win the game at all costs. Now, we can’t rely on being totally 1 dimensional but there definitely needs to be a bigger shift to run the ball and to run the ball with Jam. We also should be mixing in more screen and short throws…anything downfield is frankly a liability and our best receivers are at their best once they have the ball in their hands. Sadly, based on the last 5 years we know that Lingren won’t make that change, it’s not who he is. Beavs should win this game but we know the struggles on the road and I don’t have confidence that we will win all the remaining games that we “should” win. I believe Beavs do win this game…I don’t think this is the one they drop. However, I think this could be a game we win by 2 or 3 td’s and something tells me this will be a much closer game than it should be.
We should not be a pass first team period. We saw the O-line finally click last game against Utah but yet we completely abandoned the run at times.
What we really need to do is rely on the run game and sprinkle in the pass on downs that are favorable, i.e 2nd and medium/short not 1st and 10 bomb that floats out of bounds because our QBs have regressed into last couple years form.
If we can consistently sink and sink down the field with our run game I think our offense will finally flourish. I just think that lindgren is over thinking things and making it way more complicated than it needs to be. Just look at the defense’s scheme this year, Bray has “dumbed” things down and our defense has improved leaps and bounds this year.
Don’t get in our own way.
*dink and dunk not sink and sink
The down field shots can come once we establish a run or feature more of those quicker, shorter passes. Load the box and play action and whatnot can become more reliable. Just don’t see the need to start with those long pass attempts and ask the players to make plays that they are not able to make with consistency. Unfortunately that’s not who Lingren is and I don’t see him wanting to win games by running the ball with small amounts of passing. I also don’t get when he makes the changes. 3 successful run plays, screw it! Let’s throw the ball 5 plays in a row! Lol.
PFF grade positional comparison with Stanford:
QB- slight adv. Stanford (big advantage if Gulbranson starts)
RB- adv. Stanford
WR/TE- adv. OSU
OL- even
DL- adv. OSU
LB- adv. OSU
DB- adv. OSU
Looks like the Beavs have a clear advantage due to defense. Should be a close one, though, especially if Nolan can’t go and we’re lacking big play ability. All signs point to OSU needing to run the ball a lot, but I’d expect Stanford to load the box like Utah did and try to counteract that. Offensive success will probably (like at Utah) come down to the passing game’s ability to execute when we have man coverage on the WR’s.
WEEK 6 PHIL STEELE REPORT
Beavers trail series 26-59-3 but won for the first time since 2009 last year. Last time here (‘18) Oregon State (+24) struggled to stop the Stanford offense, allowing 34 points in the 1st half to lose 48-17. Oregon State is 6-17 SU but 13-10 ATS on the road under Coach Smith. Stanford has won 11 of the last 12 in series including 5 straight at home (3-2 ATS). Last year Oregon State (-12’) at home became bowl eligible with a 35-14 win with 29-15 FD and 475-230 yard edges as Stanford started a true frosh QB, Ari Patu (7-14-51). I used Oregon State as my Red/Green game of the week on Phil Steele Plus and Oregon State led 35-7 before Stanford drove 75/14 for a TD with 6:25 left. Stanford is playing with legitimate revenge after having an 11-game win streak in the series snapped last year. The situation favors Stanford as their first two home games were before school started and had a very small student section. This time they will have a larger crowd and in their last home game they had a 33-24 FD edge vs USC but had TO’s at the 2 and 4 yard lines (-4 TO) and lost by 13. Last week they were at Oregon and Oregon won their 22nd consecutive game in Autzen and Stanford lost its 3rd in a row this year, all to Top 25 teams. Oregon rushed for 351 and led 31-3 at halftime after a 1 yd TD run at :00 then Nix had an 80 yd 3Q TD run. Down 45-17 Stanford drove 50/8 for a FG with 4:22 left and 50/5 for a TD with 1:03 left for a 45-27 final. Oregon State opened a strong 3-0 SU and ATS then were out-FD by USC at home 21-18 and lost 17-14. Last week they had a showdown at Utah and Oregon State QB Nolan (2 ints) was injured in the 1Q and threw a 38 yd IR TD to Utah, giving them the lead 14-7 after 1Q. Backup Gulbranson threw for 177 yards and 2 interceptions. Utah got a 25/3 TD drive after an int and Utah led 21-13 H and 28-16 early 4Q. Oregon State had 417 yds and 21 FD, but Utah got an interception in the EZ during the 3Q already up and returned it 70 yards to set up a 22 yard TD run. Oregon State was stopped on downs and Utah drove 36/5 to make it 42-16 with 12:38 left. Oregon State drove 70/10 to the 5 and was intercepted in the EZ with 7:16 left. Utah drove 77/11 to the 3, to run out the clock. Oregon State now travels again in a potential letdown spot. Oregon State is not only 0-3 ATS as an AF but lost all 3 outright. My average game grades have Oregon State by 12.2 and my computer has them winning 32-26 but with only a 421-372 yard edge and this is Stanford’s chance to save their season.
STANFORD 28 OREGON STATE 27
POSITION BY POSITION EDGES
WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State QB/WR’s vs Stanford DB’s: ORST +0.03
Oregon State RB’s vs Stanford LB’s: ORST +0.25
Oregon State OL vs Stanford DL: ORST +1.41
WHEN STANFORD HAS THE BALL:
Stanford QB/WR’s vs Oregon State DB’s: STAN +0.18
Stanford RB’s vs Oregon State LB’s: ORST +0.48
Stanford OL vs Oregon State DL: ORST +0.18
MISCELLANEOUS
Special Teams: STAN +0.25
Kicking: STAN +1.25
Coaching Staff: STAN +1.25
POSITIONAL EDGE AWARDED TO: STAN +0.59
PROJECTED BOX SCORE (ORST-STAN):
Projected Rushing: 224-133
Projected Passing: 198-239
Projected Yardage Total: 422-372
Projected Final Score: 32-26
Experience Rankings: 22-30
Team Schedule Strength: 6-31
Las Vegas Line: Oregon State by 7
Las Vegas Total: 55.5 Points
+/- Ratings: Oregon State by 13.5
Game Grade: Oregon State by 12.2
Computer Yards: Oregon State 422-372
Computer Points: Oregon State 32-26
Spreadsheet Prediction: Oregon State by 6
OTHER PAC-12 PREDICTIONS
Oregon 45 Arizona 30
BEST BET: USC 38 Washington State 14 (USC -12.5)
Utah 38 UCLA 27
Washington 34 Arizona State 20
Steele normally isn’t great but this time I agree with him. People are going overboard on how bad they think Stanford is. Add in that they are at home and will be highly motivated to get a win on the board against a beatable team, this game will likely be very close and not at all easy to win. They sucked last year as well but were good enough to beat Oregon at home. Stanford plus-7 may be the bet of the week.
Agree. I’m quite surprised that so many are chalking this up as a Beavs win. I’d be surprised to see us win. May not even be close. Stanford is much better than folks are giving them credit for and we don’t have a QB. Also, our D isn’t as good as some think… zero TOs created in last 2 weeks. That’s not a sign of a good defense. I’m predicting there will be calls to fire coaches including Smith after our offense fails to score 20 points vs Stanford. It’s going to get ugly… WSU comes to town the following week and could continue the misery.
Even with the offense crapping all over themselves, the D still managed to limit Utah’s production from a yardage standpoint, a week after holding USC to 17. D will be fine.
I disagree. We played against the top 2 of 5 contending teams in the conference. 1 we lost by 3 TD’s to and the other we shot ourselves in the foot and the defense sort of relaxed and gave up knowing the offense couldn’t produce(not saying that’s a good thing, but it is what happened against Utah).
This game is the game where they need to reset and set the tone of whether they want to reach their goals or not. They don’t win this game, it will be a disappointing season and we won’t even reach a bowl game because this team was wanting Rose Bowl and that will not happen now that they have lost 2 games. I don’t see USC, UCLA, Utah, and Oregon all having 2-3 conference losses on their schedule and Beavs win out because that is what it will take this year. It’s not just “Win the North” anymore. It’s be the top 2 team in conference wins. We have a chance to make a great bowl game if they just get their head space right, but this team is trending mentally in a downward spiral as fast, if not faster than when the season started.
I do not feel good about this game at all. It’s either going to be a close game, or Beavs figure it out and the team plays with a chip on their shoulder and comes out firing on all cylinders. I don’t see that happening as long as Lindgren is calling Offensive Plays.
“.this team is trending mentally in a downward spiral as fast, if not faster than when the season started.”
Wow, I sure missed any downward mental spiral at the beginning of the season.
The Musgrave injury and Nolan’s brain breaking ended our chances for a really good season unfortunately. This is a 6-6 team now.
I think Musgrave getting hurt changed everything. We’d probably be 4-1 at the least, maybe 5-0. Luck o’ da Beavs……
I didnt get to see any of Gulbranson on tv last week.
How did he look overall? Sounds like he was moving the ball ok in the midfield areas, but then the Utaj defense tightened up and prevented any red zone successes. Was that more on Gulbranson, or suspect play calling?
I guess I’m wondering if he might be the better long term option as he gets a few more games under his belt? Does he look to have more or less upside than Chance?
Definitely on Gulbranson. He completely missed DB’s on his INT’s.
Dumb play calling to put him in that position, but the mistake is ultimately his fault.
Yes he doesn’t appear to be the answer based on limited sample size. This team is in trouble IMO. Stanford will load the box and play DBs way off receivers which will require Beavs to pass the ball down the field into red zone. If Ben can take what the D gives him and consistently move the ball into red zone without throwing INTs, it will come down to his ability to execute in red zone. If Beavs can run in down Stanford’s throat inside the 20, they will have a chance
He isn’t the answer based on being thrust into a road game against the best team in the conference with no prior preparation?
Like every QB, he deserves at least 4 games of settling in before anyone makes any conclusions about him.
Yeah, this I agree with. Tough spot to be tossed into and sadly it was a couple bad decisions but otherwise he helped the offense move the ball. He needs several weeks of 1 team reps and game experience to say, he’s not the guy. We know chance isn’t after 1 full season and like 4 games as the starter. He’s good for 6 wins a year unfortunately. However, I think Ben deserves the reps this year as we need to decide who the starter is next year. Unless we get xfer portal gold, our options will be Nolan and Gulbranson. If chiles stays with his commitment I don’t see him as a year 1 starter so it would fall to BG or Chance. If they stick with Chance, it’s clear that we are ok with 6 win seasons and I guess we better get used to that fact.
My knock on ben G is he was very slow at finding the open guy. Hopefully it’s he can catch up fast as he wasn’t expecting to play.
But he will throw a ton of picks if he doesn’t speed up his mental clock and learn the playbook before he becomes the guy
This team doesn’t have the luxury of waiting 4 games for BG to figure it out. Maybe with experience he’ll show he’s the guy but if we continue to lose because of QB play, this year will be a huge waisted opportunity
I don’t have the answer, but another question is WTF is going on with Gebbia? Dude knows the offense, he has won games including vs hole, not a powerhouse arm but not a noodle either. Team captain. If he’s indefinitely injured just tell him to medically retire and free up a scholarship. He seems like the guy that’s most likely to not lose games with stupid mistakes. It just seems weird.
I agree. What is different now from when Gebbia won the starting job over Nolan? Unless he is actually still injured.
I think the expectations and goal for the season have changed at this point. Just develop G and hopefully he can be confident by the CW. That’s our Super Bowl.
He moved the ball through screen passes and trick plays. He almost had another 3-4 interceptions. He has a stronger arm than Nolan but thats about it. I still think Nolan is the best option to win.
Nah, Chance is clearly not it. His ceiling is 6 wins… that’s clear. He plays great against the lower competition early in season but once conference play comes around, he’s not even avg. 7 td and 6 picks. He had an abysmal turnover ratio last year and he’s on pace to smash that #. This is not what your best option does. It’s time to let BG get some game reps
Being the best option doesn’t mean he kills it. All the reports from camp is that Ben is turnover prone. All I saw from the Utah game backs that up. Totally understand that it was a tough place to come into and I haven’t made judgment on him but he scared me a lot in that game. He clearly has the best arm but his accuracy, decision making, and ability to audible into the correct play is questionable as of right now. Stanford is a good game for him to get his first start. The team should win if he doesn’t lose it.
He may be turnover prone, time will tell. He looked good in his very limited game time in prior appearances. I guess my thought is that I don’t see Chance being the qb that gets us past 6 wins and if Ben or Tristan can’t win us 3 games the rest of the year than this team is royally screwed. I wasn’t convinced this team could do better than 7 wins this year and last couple weeks have definitely not done anything to provide confidence that we hit 7 and might be lucky to grab 6 wins. Today is an incredibly important game for the entirety of the season.
Three FACTS for today…….as always, IMHO
1) Creek is right, “Today is an incredibly important game for the entirety of the season.”
2) Bray’s D can overcome all but a terribly called game by Lindgren
3) Lindgren can look smart (well, not look dumb) by simply by RUNNING THE BALL
Well he got them 7 wins last year why not this year?
I like a QB who can actually throw a football-think BG can do it but with some growing pains. Beavs 31-24
Stanford is terrible. But this is eerily reminiscent of last year in Boulder.
Stanford 24-20
I think you’ve got the total just about right, but…………Beavs 28-17
If ever there was a game where Bray’s D could carry a faltering O to victory, this is it. Even if Gulbranson gives up a couple picks.
Tree is giving up 42 pts/game against top level competition so far while scoring 26 vs D’s which aren’t as good as the Beavs, yeah, 28-17 seems about right.
Betting the under here.
Random (?) stat: Penalty yds/game: Tree 38, Beavs 59………..looking for that to be more even in this game.
If this game were in Corvallis, I would agree with you.
But it isn’t and I don’t. This has all the makings of an upset.
I hope you’re right though. We’ve reached a crossroads of the season. Which way is it gonna go?
I’m done betting on the Beavs righting the ship. Seen this play out one too many times.
All depends on the start. Get Ben confident and comfortable.
His previous game experiences have been mop-up and unexpectedly thrown into the fire. He’s been in the program for three (?) years. He’s gotten all the reps this week. He should at least be a decent journeyman.
Given the condition of Stanford, this should be a winnable game, even with a RFR QB. If the Beavers lose, I expect it will be on the coaches for not putting the right players in position to win.
We are all too familiar with other teams’ ability to start a FR QB, or have one come in, and execute against the Beavers. But for some reason, the Beavers are never able to do the same.
Keep it simple, run the goddamned ball, and have Colletto help out a bit more than usual. He can probably be trusted to help in pass protection and make the right decisions to give BG a bit more time. Can there be some quick, simple routes for BG if there’s a 8-9 in the box (and there likely will be, why not?), then allow the receivers to make some YAC? If its not open, throw the ball away.
I expect the game will not really be worth watching. This could turn into a boring season with a 7-5 ceiling.
7 is pretty optimistic unless we get a qb to step up. This is not a good offense.
yep. 7-5. that was my pre-season prediction.
Run the ball! https://twitter.com/gifdsports/status/1578231804670214145?s=20&t=79jHa5Ng7d5SJnoXHvLaNg
Per Douche-al…
“Oregon State’s Chance Nolan did not make the trip to Stanford today.”
Let the BeeGee era begin
We’ll always have those wins over non-power conference teams that didn’t turn out to be very good.
I won’t take last year’s wins over USC, Utah and Stanford away from the guy, he just apparently lost it this year.
My comment was more about the team. I don’t know what to make of Nolan.
The line drops to -5 after the Chance Nolan news came out.
It’s clear this team can pretty much go as far as the QB takes them. Hopefully this ends up being a good game to get Gulbranson comfortable and come away with the win. They should be able to run the ball well against stanford. They’re giving up 210 yds a game. Luckily they’ll be without their star corner and that should help. I would like to see a big dedication to the run game and see lots of screens and sweeps. The receivers need to help out Ben and catch the fuckin ball. The drops need to stop this far into the season. Harrison kind of reminds me of Terrell Owens with the Cowboys where he lead the league in TDs and drops but at least Owens was catching TDs. I wonder what his stats would be if he caught all of his passes.
So does the defense just get turnovers against lesser teams? Didn’t they have five against boise? That leaves 3 turnovers in 4 games and none in the last 2. Hopefully this team can breakthrough with some turnovers and sacks in this game. There have been plenty of chances for 50/50 plays like angry said at the beginning of the season but our guys have failed to make the plays. That needs to change and someone needs to step up in pass rush.
Hopefully they have a game plan fitter for an offense with Ben gulbranson strengths depended on
Fitted *
I’m sure they knew from watching Chance in practice he probably wouldn’t be playing
I spent some time watching Kansas football highlights from this year. Interesting to note they have a dynamic dual threat qb, and a run heavy offense with a lot of pre-snap motion on every play.
They may faulted as the schedule gets tougher but Leipold would have been a great hire 8 years ago if Angry had the been the AD lol.
I’m a Kansas fan and will be keeping an eye on their scores, hoping they bust through on behalf of the have not’s of Power 5.
It dawned on me that Nolan is a qb tweener: not a great arm to rely on pocket passing; no ball security when called upon to run. So you’re stuck with a lot of poor passes and very little rpo to keep defense honest and eventually he has less time and less options once they crowd the line and bring pressure.
I hope Nolan heals up. Also hope Lindgren calls plays to the strength of the team and not just his own preferences.
Go Beavs
I’ve been putting them in the Pickem games intentionally, because they’re a team worth paying attention to for multiple reasons. They were as low as OSU and their rebuild has been on roughly the same timeline(although they were GA level bad even before Les Myles was hired there)
Plus its easy to pull for Lance Leipold
And it’s the kiss of death for KU, lose qb and refs decide TCU doesn’t get called for anything for the last possession. Why do I even try to enjoy college football when it seems a lot like WWE.
Oncoming Sooner country is entertaining at least.
Go Beavs!
Sooners suck!!
Wow
Go beavs! The beavers better win by 20 tonight. No excuses, stanford is rotten this year.
Beavs 20
Furd 0
Offensive stats are pretty eye opening, not only for the year but in the conference. Yearly stats have them right around #6 in most every offensive category. Pts, yds, td, etc. Interesting considering we were typically a top 3 or 4 team in some prior years with “less” talent. Granted, Montana State was by far the easiest opponent but Boise state and Fresno state have a combined 4 wins so are they even that good?
Take this with a grain of salt because we obviously started with USC and Utah but from a conference perspective, we are baaaaaad. Last in pts per game at 15. 10th in yards. Last in passing td (0) and yds/game at 206. 6th in rushing td and 7th in rushing yds. In past years we moved the ball even against top teams, this year not so much. I don’t think we should be scared of losing Lingren any time soon if the trend continues.
If Gulbranson’s arm really is stronger than Nolan’s, maybe that will open up the intermediate pass game. Unfortunately, Nolan just didn’t have the strength to complete those 7 to 30 yard routes that required him to drive the ball. I’m guessing that this has allowed defenses to crowd the line of scrimmage and given them an advantage on runs and dump offs.
What has to go right in this game? Not as much as prior games.
For the Beavs to win, they need to really establish the run and not let up. The defense seems to have gotten over the hill in terms of consistency.
Speed to the edges seems to be the key. Probably will see a lot of fly sweeps and reverses. Fenwick pounds between the tackles and Griffin attacks the edges. WR speed to edges keeps the defense honest.
Don’t turn the damn ball over. Defense needs to create some. 3 of the 5 games they haven’t.
This^^^
I also think Gulbranson doesn’t have to win the game with his arm. But the coaches will need to keep him out of third and long.
No TO’s. Thats been the main factor the last 2 games Opponent’s have 8 TO’s OSU none.
Lingren needs to go against all his instincts here if we’re gonna establish and maintain a run game. As soon as we string good runs together he likes to avoid that success and toss the rock for 3 series.
I don’t get why Smith wouldn’t say Nolan is a game time decision or something like that just to keep Stanford off balance. Also didn’t have to say Ben would be the backup for sure. Could’ve left them guessing that it might be Gebbia.
Mp said Gebbia has never fully recovered, sucks there were no repercussions to hole player that ruined gebbia career
Ya I figured but he doesn’t have to let Stanford or anyone know that.
Let’s start with less than 4 INTs and go from there.
Chip Kelly look more and more like Barney Rubble
ASU beating Washington 17-10 with about 4 to go in the half
Playing a different QB who looks pretty decent.
They just got a pick 6. Now up 14 with 3 to go in the half.
UCLA up 11 on Utah as well.
Another reason for Lindgren to rely on the rush: Brewer should be cleared for full duty, O-line should be able to bully the small (per Hank’s comments above) D-line of Stanford.
Refs introducing themselves into the Utah/UCLA game.
Phantom PI call leads to Utah on the next play…sketchy, exact type of hold that USC did on Lindsay for and Int
Let’s go BEAVS!
UW just went for it on their own 29, 4th & 1, didn’t make it and ASU is heading in for another score
JS will be glad that DeBoer is in the conference if he continues those gambles.
Game thread up.
Utah’s QB is one tough little shit. He just plows through defenders when he runs then chirps at them after he scores.