Here is the schedule:
At this point in our history, I just assume anyone who is a bigger deal than us a loss. Basically because they can pay players more, use us as a farm system via the portal, etc. So I assume Oregon, Purdue, and Cal are all loses.
What about the other games and teams? Anyone follow them enough to have an educated guess on them? Based on how many players we lost, it looks to me like a 3 or 4 win season, but I haven’t really followed closely who we gained. So, tell me who we gained that’s going to make this season more than 3 or 4 wins!
Boise and us will be undefeated when we go there and lose on the smurf turf… sending us to the LA bowl and them to the 12 seed in the CFP.
Undefeated going into the last game?……I like it….you still favoring that IPA from Ninkasi?
I’m partial to Jack IPA from three creeks.
Seriously, though, I have a corny of their tenpine chocolate porter. A glass of that and a couple fingers of Irish make for nice Saturdays.
I also forgot in the above scenario that UO’s only two losses will be us and Boise, and they’ll be a 2 seed.
To reference for your predictions:
2024 Oregon State Schedule
Saturday, Aug. 31 – Idaho State, 3:30
Saturday, Sept. 7 – at San Diego State, 7:30
Saturday, Sept. 14 – Oregon, 12:30
Saturday, Sept. 21 – Purdue, 5:30
Saturday, Sept. 28 – BYE
Saturday, Oct. 5 – Colorado State, 3:30
Saturday, Oct. 12 – at Nevada, 4:30
Saturday, Oct. 19 – UNLV, 12:30 or 7:09
Saturday, Oct. 26 – at California, TBD
Saturday, Nov. 2 – BYE
Saturday, Nov. 9 – San Jose State, 12:30 or 7:00
Saturday, Nov. 16 – at Air Force, 1230
Saturday, Nov. 23 – Washington State, 3:30
Saturday, Nov. 30 – at Boise State, 9:00 am(?)
Aug 31 W
sept 7 Tossup lean L
Sep 14 L
Sep 21 W
oct 5 W
O 12 W
O 19 L
O 26 L
NOV 9 W
NOV 16 L
Nov 23 toss up
nov 30 L
I’d say a low of about 7-5 to 9-3 top end.
Schedule is manageable, but lots of new stuff for Beavers offense.
I think there’s more talent and players developed in house than media pundits expect, but they don’t have a lot of experience and neither do the HC, OC, and OL coaches or QB Gabarri Johnson. The defense should be ok+.
A complete list of who we gained/lost would be nice. I can’t find it anywhere. This should be standard information in the modern reality of NCAAF.
Wikipedia shows the transfers in/out
Key changes from recent, quick reviews:
QB Gabarri Johnson, RFR, 4* out of HS, no DI game experience. His off-season QB coach is apparently 2024 Beaver WR commit Durant’s father, so Johnson/Durant probably play a lot of catch in the offseason FWIW.
C Van Wells, CU xfer, experienced, expected starter
OT Christan-Lichtenuan, 6′ 10″ CU xfer, experienced, expected to start at a T spot
OL Coach DeVan apparently worked with both of them at CU in 2022.
OLB DJ Wesolak, 4*, xfer from Mizzou like QB Johnson
RB Jam Griffin returns, known quantity.
RB Hankerson, Xfer from CU. Maybe RB 1. Good pass catcher apparently.
Combined, Griffin & Hankerson should put up Martinez-like numbers.
Two incoming FR RBs look very good!
In house:
ILB Melvin Jordan could have a good+ season.
All the WRs (except Card) will be taller with good but not great overall speed.
TE doesn’t have any demonstrated productivity.
LBs and secondary should be good+.
DL should be bigger, maybe better?
O is simpler, so kids can pick it up quickly and produce “within their first 3 years.”
Put that against xfer losses of DJ, Chiles, Martinez, and TE Velling, and xfer of McCoy to Tennesee, S Arnold to USC(?)….offense downgrades, defense holds?
But a more forgiving schedule?
Okay I’m feeling better about it. 6 wins.
For the mist part, Bray et al seem to be holding at the 3* talent level.
I think the team will be lacking proven leadership on the field though. Maybe QB Johnson (by virtue of position) OG Strand (Sr), ILB Chisom (position, production) DB Jayden “Old Man” Robinson (7th year) are potential leaders on the 2024 team.
Our top 2 WRs (on paper) are already injured and either out for the season or “questionable”, which never turns out well for the Beavs.
Jimmy Valsin- injured
Darrius Clemmons- questionable
Add that to a mostly new OL and a QB room that’s very thin on experience other than BG, and I’m not very optimistic on offense.
I do like that we have Jam back, but no idea what his blocking will look like.
11-1 celing. 9-3 is my prediction, loses to oregon, boise and dealers choice but it will be on the road in a heart breaker that never should have been.
We won’t really know anything about this team until they play on the road the second game of the season.
Oregon seems to be a blowout loss for certain. We seem to always lose to Washington State recently so that’s loss number two. A change in offensive systems usually causes a disruption and loss of production unless the offensive coordinator is super experienced with a proven track record and ours is neither. I think every other game could come down to a coin flip.
9-3 miracle season…3-9 nightmare season.
I can’t remember ever being so disinterested in an upcoming season!
Cal loaded up in the portal. I don’t see us beating them.
I will have a side interest in checking on traitor teams and players.
Bray is worth 3 wins alone because he will have the team prepared and all-in. Downside for Bray is he may struggle with strategic adjustments due to lack of experience.
I still like having him as HC.
Beavs overall experience is down but talent may be the same in actuality.
The schedule is a step down overall and presents a chance to improve on last year’s record in spite of the changes.
I think it will be either a tremendous struggle with offensive production or the offense will be a pleasant surprise.
More than likely we lose to the Ducks but every other game will be winnable. We need to remember that the delusional gambler is gone and we won’t be dealing with mystifying plays calls in winnable games. I figure Bray has football in his blood and has been a winner his whole life. This is his opportunity and I figure he will be superior to JS when the dust settles.
Beavs could be 6-6 or 11-1, I think they beat all MWC foes, and likely lose to Ducks and Cal, although is not sold on Wilcox at all.
I agree ohiobeav. With the gambler gone we may actually use football sense to win some games under Bray. Still pissed we are playing Whoregon. If that is a loss I hope that game being early in the season doesn’t tailspin this young team. If it is a win, watch out, here come the Beavs. I’m approaching this season with more curiosity, hope, fear, then with excitement. Unfortunately for this team that has been kicked around by leagues and networks it is very important to win this season as it will have huge effects on the future. Talk about the underdog story here… Go UnderBeavs!
There were the sportsbra unis…maybe need a thong uni for the UnderBeavs?
Another thought regarding the ducks is that they are basically building the entire year on Gabriel’s ability to quickly adapt to their offensive set-up. Gabriel is talented but this is now his 3rd school in his college career. I think he may be somewhat overhyped and not as elite as they want to present. Perhaps catching them early is best for OSU defense to have an advantage. Unfortunately, the same can be said for our offense going against the Ducks defense. At least we aren’t going to be tearing our hair out at DJU’s limitations or Brian Lindgren’s frustrating tendencies.
As I have said before, the ducks are 1 qb injury from being middle of the pack, which also means they are one bad qb game from being pretty beatable. If OSU qbs can hold their own and not turn the ball over, Beavs will have a shot at beating the ducks, especially at Reser.
i don’t want ot be fooled by all of the fall camp bravado and “shock the world” nonsense. I expect Bray will insist that the team keep a wrap on talking themsleves up until something is proven on the field in actual competition. I don’t want a repeat of the folly of GA preseason camps when it was a lot of talk, followed up by disastrous results.
Go Beavs!
100% agree with you on the QB focus at nike, that and the challenges of managing a team full of prima donnas causes me to ask if it’s easy money to go with the under on that 10.5 Vegas line.
GA was an established coach – we were beginning to wonder tho –
“Perhaps catching them early is best for OSU defense to have an advantage. Unfortunately, the same can be said for our offense going against the Ducks defense.”
Bray can do that, as he showed v. USC/Caleb Williams a few years back, and v. uW/Penix last year. In each close loss, OSU O had too many TOs to overcome.
I think Lanning is the clear leader on that team, and prima donnas won’t be a factor. Also, these $1M+ NIL athletes probably to nothing BUT football (like Nix, Gabriel) so they’ll be ready…
There’s absolutely no reason to watch a sporting goods corporation play a land grant university in any sport, not even for the “ah shucks next time” moral victories.
Anyways, the Air Force game looks intriguing.
I’m pretty much with ohio and bill here. Not really a big sportsbook guy, but I see Vegas continues to place the o/u at 7.5 games and I’ve got the over.
Curious about the remark, “Downside for Bray is he may struggle with strategic adjustments due to lack of experience.”
I’m trying to picture a scenario where Bray, with his football life and 100% focus on the job at hand, would make much of a strategic error. I think he’ll know his teams strength/weakness so well that his strategy will be appropriate; it’s only his players execution in the moment that will cause problems. Much more often than not Bray will do the right thing, IMHO.
And, is betting the under on the ucks 10.5 line easy money?
Yeah hence the caveat “may”. Bray has been raised in football as much as a guy like Kyle Shanahan. Maybe he becomes another son of a coach who is very successful in head coaching. I hope we get that form him.
What do you guys think about on-field leadership from an inexperienced team?
Maybe QB Johnson (by virtue of position) OG Strand (Sr), ILB Chisom (position, production) DB Jayden “Old Man” Robinson (7th year) are potential on-field leaders on the 2024 team. S Alton Julian, even from sidelines and in warm ups, is vocal. Hope he sees the field all season, seems unlikely though.
I kind of expect BG to be a leader if he sticks into the season. I actually wonder if McCoy has the same type of moxy that Fifita at UA has. Undersized but elite in all other aspects of basics in the offense, right spots, sees the field with athleticism, and guys gain confidence in him as time goes on.
Of course the team will be led by the defense and the most vocal guys will be on that side of the ball, built up by Bray’s personality over the last couple of years.
Jam will be a leader on offense until the qbs settle into the roles. I think McCoy will be the starter if BG can’t outshine him in fall camp. McCoy and Johnson will be dynamic in a different type of offense and BG will be hamstrung to win the role, but he may still be the most important leader among the offensive side of the ball within the players.
Thanks for the vote of confidence!
From Portland Tribune positional breakdowns. It sounds like the DL is mostly underachievers who likely did well in HS against lesser talent?
“The following are some of the projected contributors for the 2024 season along Oregon State’s defensive line.
DJ Wesolak, EDGE
Wesolak comes to Oregon State after two uninspiring seasons with Missouri in the SEC. In his two seasons there, Wesolak never recorded a stat despite appearing in a handful of games. His lack of production is a question mark, but the 6-foot-3, 260-pound edge rusher comes from a high-profile recruiting background as a former top 100 player nationally and a four-star recruit.
“(Wesolak) still needs to develop more pass-rush arsenal as far as technique and moves. Has not been challenged in that regard at the high school level as he has not seen a lot of offensive linemen who can match him talent wise,” 247Sports’ Allen Trieu wrote about Wesolak in his high school recruiting profile. “Clear high-major prospect who has developed through high school including with his approach to the game and should be an impact player in college and potential draft choice.”
When Wesolak decided to leave Missouri, his recruiting profile suffered a touch. He was demoted to a three-star recruit, but his previous background suggests there is a bevy of untapped talent Oregon State could desperately use.
Tevita Pome’e, IDL
Another transfer portal add, Pome’e left rival Oregon after redshirting his freshman season. At 6-foot-3, 318 pounds, Pome’e has the physical size to be a one-man wrecking crew on the interior for Oregon State.
Pome’e is another player with an impressive recruiting background, joining Oregon last season as the No. 5 player in the state of Utah when he left high school. Pome’e will almost certainly play on the inside of the line, looking to help snuff out the run and eat up double teams.
Tygee Hill, IDL
What do you know, it’s another transfer portal interior lineman. Hill joins Oregon State by way of LSU after transferring following the conclusion of his redshirt freshman season, where he saw limited action for the Tigers. In two seasons, Hill recorded just three total tackles before hitting the portal.
Like Pome’e, Hill was a three-star prospect coming out of high school and stands at 6-foot-3 while being north of 300 pounds. He’s another option to play on the interior.
Takari Hickle, EDGE
One of the longest-tenured players on the roster, Hickle has been with Oregon State since 2022 and is entering his redshirt sophomore season. His 2023 campaign saw some production, finishing the season with 2.5 tackles for loss, two sacks and a forced fumble.
At 6-foot-3 and roughly 265 pounds, Hickle has the size to either play standing up or with a hand in the dirt rushing off the edge. He’d also likely be a candidate to kick inside in third and long situations. After his solid redshirt freshman season, Hickle feels like he could be poised to break out.
Nikko Taylor, EDGE
Taylor joined Oregon State in 2023 after being one of the top JUCO prospects in the country, earning a three-star rating from 247Sports. Taylor only recorded a pair of tackles despite appearing in all 13 of Oregon State’s games in 2023, but seems on track for a much larger role off the edge in 2024.
Oluwaseyi Omotosho, EDGE
Omotosho transfered to Oregon State by way of Wyoming following the 2022 season. At Wyoming, he racked up 46 tackles and 6.5 sacks as a redshirt freshman. He didn’t have nearly as big an impact for the Beavers in 2023 while dealing with injury, playing in seven games and recording just a single sack.
Now, with an expected clean bill of health, Omotosho’s redshirt junior season could be the one where he gets back to where he was with Wyoming.”
I thought Hickle got hurt and was out for the season? Am I making that up?
I think that was Valsin. Hickle did sit out the spring game.
I think you are correct and Hickle may be out for ’24.
There are at least 5 wins there. If everything breaks our way, 11-1 is possible. I’m guessing probably 6 or 7 wins based on everything being new. Back to Riley territory.
Here’s my take on position group stock vs. last season.
QB- Down. We don’t have a clear starter. BG seems to be the frontrunner, but there is strong competition. There’s a LOT of variability here. DJU was a B, and I could see this position being anywhere from a C to an A-. Johnson has potential, but he’s young. McCoy is a gamer, but his arm strength is limited. Feels like he has a similar skill set and ceiling to BG.
RB- Down. Jam is a solid starter. Hankerson never did anything at Colorado, but their line sucked so maybe he’s decent? Definitely less overall talent than last year (though Hatcher is an exciting wild card).
WR/TE- Down. Clemons has potential, but Wells and Noga aren’t awe-inspiring. We’ll miss the speed we had here in the past. Very different style of receiver on the depth chart now. Terry is consistently rated as one of the worst TE’s in the conference, but he’s our projected starter and our media day rep. Caufield looked good in the bowl game, though. Durant and Anderson are wild cards at WR. I’m hoping one of them surprises and gets some playing time.
OL- Down. We bring back 3 guys with starting experience, but we lose our top guys and the best OL coach in the country. Gray and Wells are solid. Starck was really up and down last year, but has a strong track record from Nevada.
DL- Down. Chatfield and Lolohea won’t be replaced. Hickle has potential, but not experience. Based on film, Wesolak is overrated. Good athlete without a ton of technical skill at the position and he bounced between LB and DE at Mizzou. Taylor was the top rated JC DE, but showed nothing last year. As mentioned above, DT’s are “high potential” unknown transfers.
LB- Even/Up. LB’s were underwhelming last year. I know everyone loved Easton, but he was very one-dimensional as a run-stopper that couldn’t do anything in coverage. Jordan seems solid. I like the JC transfers. There is good potential here.
DB- Down. Hopefully Thomas can return to form. Kane as a projected starter isn’t exciting. Robinson coming back is nice. Singleton is a high floor/low ceiling transfer. JC transfers don’t show anything exciting on film.
Underrating singleton here expecting him and Robinson to be lockdown
All good evaluations and probably right on if we were still facing a traditional 9-game PAC12 schedule. But I’d say as a general rule, we are facing an easier schedule filled with lesser talent overall. We have maybe 5 games where the opponent talent gap is even or better- Oregon, Purdue, Cal, Wazzu, Boise St(maybe). Beyond those 5 games, OSU talent, even untested or replacement guys should still be able to perform well. Which is why I still think the Beavs can have a surprisingly good year even in the midst of all the changes/turnover. We aren’t staring at a 9 game PAC12 schedule this year and we can leave that paradigm behind, adjust to what is actually on the schedule and evaluate from there.
I’m sorry guys but here is my rose colored glasses version of the schedule, if anyone wants to check, I’ve predicted 11-1 or 10-2 for the last few years. I think this might be it though. I expect a loss to ducks, unfortunately. Toss-ups are Purdue, Cal, WSU, BSU. Nail-biter wins will be SDSU, Air Force, UNLV. Gimme wins are Idaho St, SJSU, Nevada, CSU
Too early pocket schedule:
W -Saturday, Aug. 31 – Idaho State, 3:30. Beavs should easily win this and we will see how the new look offense does in a real game.
W- Saturday, Sept. 7 – at San Diego State, 7:30 Bray’s first road test, also a win, SDSU has a new coach too. QB was electric but wildly erratic last year.
L- Saturday, Sept. 14 – Oregon, 12:30. I’d love to call this a win, but my expectations is too much pressure from all sides for Ducks to be the season long media darlings as they enter the Big10. Their matchup with Ohio St has to be circled as the ratings bonanza for networks and ESPN. I expect some funny business with refs in this one if it is close.
W- Saturday, Sept. 21 – Purdue, 5:30 Beavs with a bounceback win against Purdon’t, Big10 teams never do well traveling west. Offense begins to figure it out.
Saturday, Sept. 28 – BYE
W-Saturday, Oct. 5 – Colorado State, 3:30 CSU was slightly better than Colorado last year and both weren’t good. Beavs with a solid home win.
W-Saturday, Oct. 12 – at Nevada, 4:30 Bray gets another solid road win, Nevada has been bad, and a new head coach can’t change it overnight.
W-Saturday, Oct. 19 – UNLV, 12:30 or 7:09. This will be a good test and good to be a home game. UNLV scored 35 ppg last year, but do they play defense? Another solid win against an improving MWC foe.
W-Saturday, Oct. 26 – at California, TBD I lean towards a road loss since their qb was so good last year, but Bray may be a different coach by game 8. THis is the game where Bray may be the difference, kind of like Chris Petersen used to be for BSU. They knew they were going to win. I think Bray will have that type of swagger effect for the program.
Saturday, Nov. 2 – BYE
W-Saturday, Nov. 9 – San Jose State, 12:30 or 7:00 Another new head coach, another win for OSU. SJSU was built by Brennan and he has left the building.
W- Saturday, Nov. 16 – at Air Force, 1230. Road game in November in the Rockies will be fun, and may be the toughest road game yet. OSU secondary wins this one.
W- Saturday, Nov. 23 – Washington State, 3:30 Beavs won’t lose to WSU this year at Reser. Cougs lost more talent than the Beavs in the offseason.
W-Saturday, Nov. 30 – at Boise State, 9:00 am(?). East coast showcase game for playoff implications is how they want it set-up. Beavs either win and ge tinto the playoffs or lose a heartbreaker and go to the LA Bowl. Bray has told the team since he refused to go to East Lansing on the plane that the better chance was right here in Corvallis. This game will define that sentiment and the tema will have their shot to prove it.
The advantage to the Nike game being non-conference is the refs will have less reason to be biased. 2-0 going into a home game against them is a good place to be in and we should good national attention on the game.
UNLV, Cal, AFA, WSU are all swing games for me.
Note that Purdue plays Notre Dame the week prior to traveling to Reser.
Note also that 13 beat writers who cover teams in the 18 team Big10 conference place Purdue last in a pre-season USA Today poll.
I saw SDSU picked 8th in their conference in one preview…
Purdue lost a crap ton of players to the portal, a lot of receivers in particular. They picked up some defensive players, so that side of the ball should improve, but it’s definitely a winnable game for the Beavs.
How exactly will the secondary win the Air Force game? they run the option. Doubt they throw it 5 times
I forgot that we have Collins and Howard on DL who may emerge this season. Schuster is a wild card at DT. DL has a high ceiling and a low floor.
OT: “Brent Barry is moving from the front office to the basketball court.
The Phoenix Suns have hired Barry as an assistant coach, according the ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. Barry will reunite with new Suns head coach Mike Budenholzer. Budenholzer replaced Frank Vogel, who was fired after the 2023-24 season.
Barry, the son of Hall of Fame player Rick Barry, spent the past six seasons as an executive with the San Antonio Spurs. Barry has no previous coaching experience. The former Oregon State Beavers’ star played for six teams during 14 seasons in the NBA, including spending four seasons (2004-08) in San Antonio, where Budenholzer was an assistant coach under head coach Gregg Popovich. The Spurs won two championships during that time.”
Hmmm, if OSU finds a conference, maybe Barry could replace Tinkle?
After screwing the pooch by missing on Musselmann because we had goo goo eyes for a cheater, I think even the guy who drove Jamie Dixon from Pitt could make that call.
It would also be cool to see some underhand FTs in Gill.
What impact, if any, do y’all expect from Keith Heyward?
Recruiting
He’s well connected… mostly on the West Coast, but he has national reach.
He’s also always been a good or better secondary coach, so I would expect that knowledge to complement Bray’s influence on the LBs and Tuiaki teaching DL. He obviously has a good work relationship with Chance. And Bray bringing back Cooper speaks volumes to his work ethic.
I’m not worried about the D, unless the O puts them on the field too much.
I think secondary play in terms of passes defensed and INTS will likely be limited by a lack of QB pressure. They will likely cover receivers well, but can only do so for so long.
Who knows though, maybe Kelze Howard and/or Collins can be productive and build confidence with much of this schedule?
Beavs picked up a new 2025 commit today, Trey Glasper, DB/ATH from……wait for it……Henderson, NV. We’re turning into Hemderson, North.
Beavs highest rated 2025 commit so far.
https://247sports.com/recruitment/trey-glasper-172066/recruitinterests/
Decent offer list. 3*.
Cal, Iowa State, Miami. Good list. Seems like he wanted to stay out west based on his finalists. Looks like we recruited him at DB based on the coaches recruiting him.
I do think we have just as much raw potential on the roster as past seasons (based on star ratings). The coaches are going to have to earn their keep getting production out of them.
On coaches earning their keep…………..one challenge this season may be keeping the team focused in light of the caliber of some of the opponents; I’d take Bray over JS or the gum chewer here.
Eh I doubt it. These are largely guys for whom this is their shot at redemption. I don’t think they’re going to come in big-headed.
8-4 best case. Losses to Cal, ducks, Boise, SDSU. 6-6 most likely. 5-7 worst case. Other potential losses CSU, AF, UNLV.
Weaknesses – QB, OL, WR, DL, LB
Strengths – Coaching, RB, DB, schedule
What makes you think DB is a strength?
Depth
I think DB is strength based on depth and talent. That said, it’s very difficult to project anything for this team. Just so many new faces. One thing that is interesting to me is how optimistic Bray is. I would think he’d sandbag a bit but he’s come out and said his expectation is to compete for a CFP spot. He’s either naive or feels good based on his evaluation of the roster. The SDSU game is extremely important IMO. SDSU will be much better than most expect. If we win that game on the road, it’s a sign this team is legit.
Bray has nothing to gain by sandbagging. He said he doesn’t really want to be a HC, but felt like he needed to to save OSU. If he gets fired from OSU, he’ll just go be a DC somewhere, which is what he really wants anyway. No one will care if he sucked as a HC or said “we’re going to be awesome!” then wasn’t.
On the flip side, telling the players they’re competing for a CFP may be motivating.
The staff claims people don’t understand the talent they have on-roster, including the O line.
I do think it’s striking how optimistic they present themselves. It would be much safer to speak cautiously due to roster turnover, new coaches and playbook, lack of experience at many positions.
May be trying to maintain morale after all of the losses this past year? Conference, coaches, players…
Didn’t realize BSU RB Jeanty rushed for 1,347 yds and had 43 receptions for 569 yds, 19 total TDs last year. Apparently Pro Football Focus graded him out as top RB in the country?
He did that missing I think 2.5 games.
He’s certainly a top 3 RB, but durability has to be a factor.
They had him in the top 5. He did have 4 fumbles, which is probably a concern.
Lots of rumbling about OSU/WSU to the Big 12.
Would you rather rebuild the “PAC” as a west-only conference with Calford and MWC teams or join a coast-to-coast Big 12 that includes more “prestigious” programs and will be more entrenched as a power conference?
I should note being in the Big 12/AllState conference requires a hardcore selling of your soul with corporate sponsorships out the wazoo and PE ownership of the conference.
Its that or fade into obscurity, forever forgotten. The Reser’s were doing it before it was cool I guess.
go to b12, rebuilt pac won’t be a power conf.
Where do I sign
The mountain west sounds like they don’t really want us. https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2024/07/23/mountain-west-undecided-about-adding-pac-2-washington-state-and-oregon-state/
They don’t have much to gain from it. Their media deal is locked in for a while and this would just split the pot more. OSU and WSU won’t elevate them to power conference status.
Their media deal expires in two years.
And the B1G didn’t want uw and uo… until they did.
Dang, 2027 feels so far away
Everybody is posturing at this point.
BIG 12 wants to be able to grab pac 2 at a moments notice. So they leak to make sure pac 2 think there’s real interest and don’t make other plans.
MWC keeps leaking stuff about not wanting to add/join with Pac 2 but that’s to save face cause osu wsu have shown no real interest in joining. If anything Pac2 might try to grab a few of the top MWC teams, thus leaving most behind. The pac 2 represents an existential threat to the bottom half of the MWC. Expect to Connie to hear the MWC conference leak stories about no interest.
ACC rumors strangely non-existent.
Not saying they would be legit, but nobody is leaking anything in ACC land, since the Utah thingy.
A few weeks ago the OSU President or AD (cant remember) said they “need” to have the future conference plan figured out by the end of this football season. I think that timeline limits OSU’s options.
I for one am not a fan of rebuilding the Pac with MWC teams. I understand it may be the only option. If OSU wants to stay relevant and competing at a high level they need $30+M a year of TV money starting in 2026.
Another factor that plays into this is that if the PAC 12 ceases to exist before Aug 1st 2026, all “remaining” conference assets get spit equally among the original 12. I think OSU would jump at any P4 invite but it would seem better for all parties for OSU to join a new conference starting in 2026 academic year.
I thought the pac12 and all assets are OSU/WSU after Aug 1st this year?
I think he means we can’t even pretend to be leaving the Pac until then, or the conference would automatically dissolve for the same reasons the 10 lost the court case and graciously gave us exit fees, instead of taking it all with them.
We can shop around our TV production, because that signifies us continuing under the Pac banner. But we won’t be hearing anything official about that until we do fully control it all.
nope
I just misread it.
But what I point out does describe our reasons for radio silence for one more week.
The settlement agreement stipulated if OSU or WSU jump to another conference before 2026 the remaining conf assets at that point would be divided.
This was allegedly the concern of the 10, OSU and WSU wait till aug 1st 2024 and dissolve the conference taking all the assets. It got addressed as a part of the settlement.
You’ll have to cite that.
https://www.scribd.com/document/717350657/Pac-12-settlement-agreement
Starts on page 9 section iii – in reading it again, looks like it might be in force until 2027, not sure.
Ty. I missed it on the first read. Whole pages being redacted are distracting.
I suppose it makes sense. Can’t ask for a two-year grace period from the NCAA, take over the conference, then just run off with all the money.
But it also always made sense to play through that time, because the 2025 season and 2026 CFP still need to pay us our $70m, and that ain’t happening if we’re already in another conference.
The time-line is to make a decision on what the POA would be this fall and to know by February where we are going to be.
February coincides with ESPN’s deadline to extend the ACC contract past 2026. I don’t know if I should read anything into that, because the late signing period is then. And football drives monetary decisions.
There’s also that dang PTN. Outside the box, no matter what conference we end up in, we don’t need to share that asset. We could be paid by the conference to produce their Olympic sports (or CW games), and receive 0% shares. This way, the conference bypasses any financial restraints imposed by TV not wanting to pay more.
And even after two years in the wild, we’ll have $100m and five years of hoops money left over. We can all see what individual schools will do for just single digit millions. We have some tools to work with
Aside from the athletics piece, I want this university to be associated with the universities in the Big 12 much more than the lower tier universities that make up the MW. So Big 12 all day long.
You mean athletically, right?
OSU has more in common with Big 12 universities than BSU, SJSU, etc. too.
That’s going to be about halfsies for either conference. Other than ASU, Utah, ISU, oSu, and the Kansas schools it starts to get weak.
I agree about Boise, but UNM, Hawai’i, CSU, SDSU, and the Nevada schools have similar interests. The weaker fits start with USU and fresneck.
In all the ways.
Hey angry, you should go back and do a 2024 recruiting class review now that everyone is on campus and things are finally set in stone.
If you don’t have the time or whatever, I’d be happy to do it. I always find it interesting to go back to prior years and see what those of us not entrenched in the recruiting media think about the guys coming in.
We might get to make the Rose Bowl after all! To bad they didn’t have the guts to say no in the first place.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/rose-bowl-makes-another-push-to-be-left-out-of-cfp-semifinal-rotation-in-favor-of-historic-new-years-day-date/amp/
And play MSU….
We get paid by the CFP for two years, so they can do what the Rose Bowl wants.
It just sounds right.
I’m not quite at the point to give a prediction for W/L this season.
It seems we feel good generally about the coaching staff hires on defense.
Offensive line concerns me; not because I don’t think the team lacks greatly in talent— it is just hard to restructure a line with an incoming coach and new scheme.
I feel like until that unit finds its footing/cohesion, we will need to rely a bit more on the defense early in the season.
https://x.com/_MLFootball/status/1816186469066891374
This is so bad. UCLA off to a good start in the Big 10.
Public speaking is a tricky thing when the mind goes blank and the notes are back at the hotel room. Kind of cringy, but so is UCLA football in Big10 country.
I didn’t watch it, but glad to see it. They’ll struggle in the B10, and their stadium will be empty on most home games.
USC will struggle too, though they’ll still pull in QB and WR recruits/Xfers…it won’t be enough.
There will be lots of fans from the Big Ten going to experience the Rose Bowl Stadium. Probably outnumber the home crowd.
INDIANAPOLIS — When he said he’d had his eye on Michigan State for “a long time,” it sounded like he’d bailed on his team before he actually left.
When his team-issued gear showed up at Goodwill days after his departure, it looked like he couldn’t get out of town fast enough.
It would have been tough for Jonathan Smith to make a more ham-fisted exit from Oregon State last November, disappearing from his alma mater so swiftly and with such little compassion that it left the impression that …
“I didn’t give a s—?” Smith said, cutting me off.
Well, yeah. Exactly.
We spoke Wednesday afternoon in the tunnel leading to the field at Lucas Oil Stadium, site of the Big Ten’s football media extravaganza. Smith had a flight waiting to take him back to East Lansing, his new home. The Spartans open fall camp on Tuesday. Games are a month out.
The Oregon State stuff might all be water under the bridge at this point, except for the fact that the Beavers and their fans have never gotten closure on Smith’s unceremonious exit. It has left a campus legend as certifiably persona non grata.
On Wednesday, Smith finally said some of the things he should have said before he left.
“It was painful to leave,” Smith told me. “Painful.”
We didn’t hear about that pain back in November. Some more honesty might have helped people better understand.
Yes, it was painful.
“But at the same time,” Smith said. “I’m competitive. I wasn’t trying to just get out of Dodge. When you looked at Michigan State, it fit.”
He saw a program with a blue-collar identity and a chip on its shoulder, qualities he recognized and related to, both as a coach and from his days as an OSU quarterback who captained the Beavers to their greatest season.
“I felt like this was a really good fit to compete at this level,” Smith said. “Call it what it is, security of the conference thing. I had to make a tough, tough call.”
How about the truckload of stuff at Goodwill? That was an annual dropoff, Smith said. Steve McCoy, the Beavers’ equipment manager, passes out so much gear that he had no choice.
“Every year I go to Goodwill,” Smith said. “I still have Oregon State gear. Now the timing, the emotions. Was that ideal? No. I regret the timing of that.”
But at a time when every small indignity for Oregon State felt like an all-out attack, watching a campus legend abandon ship in the time of need was almost too much to bear. And then, with a new locker room to win over, alums to impress and boosters to woo, Smith, in his unique staccato style, spent his time preaching why Michigan State was now the right place for him and never explained why Oregon State no longer was.
“I did take the mindset that once I got going,” Smith said, “I was gone.”
He stumbled a bit as he thought about what he wanted to say next. “Call it …”
“I wish I would have …”
Finally, he admitted, “I didn’t anticipate as much pushback. I anticipated some, but not as much. And I could have maybe handled it better.”
Another reporter asked me on Wednesday if what Smith did was really so much worse than any other big-time college football coach who changes jobs. It’s a good question. My answer is that what he did wasn’t necessarily worse. In fact, his methods of departure were probably less objectionable than scores of other examples across college football over the years.
It’s that the circumstances around him were so much more dire.
That’s not Smith’s responsibility.
Oregon State in that moment did not need a football coach, it needed a savior.
The expectations of fans and alumni are not a weight he should have to carry alone. Save for this: He is one of them. He should have known what it meant for him to leave. And he could have done more to cushion that blow.
In the tunnel, I asked Smith if he felt like he had finished the job at Oregon State. He responded emphatically: “No.”
Was that because of the situation unfolding around him?
“One hundred percent,” he said.
Before the Pac-12 collapsed, Smith had the Beavers on an ascendant path. In six seasons he turned a 1-11 program into a 10-game winner. They were in the mix for conference championships each of his last two years and had reached three consecutive bowl games.
Smith had taken the program to a position of consistent national relevance, with the potential to break through in a bigger way. The expansion of the CFP offered a real path to the playoff for programs like Oregon State. And while the Beavers and new coach Trent Bray can still chase those dreams, Smith feels the weight of not getting to see it through in Corvallis.
“It’s a loss,” Smith said. “It’s grief.”
Smith said he hopes that he will one day be welcomed back at Oregon State. Right now, it’s difficult to imagine him getting anything but an icy reception at Reser Stadium.
“Time,” Smith said, with a hint of hope in his voice.
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/07/bill-oram-what-jonathan-smith-wishes-he-did-differently-when-he-left-oregon-state.html
Smith should fuck off and never step foot on campus again.
So sad that he is the victim in all of it, right? I get that he could have done things better, but it was a really awful way to go and we all said it at the time. The only explanation is how Angry assessed him from the start, dude was just kind of awkward.
My hope is within 5 years, Bray will be so successful, and will be a superstar coach with electric charisma and great presence that parallels what Chris Petersen did at Boise St, to the point that JS will be the Dan Hawkins of OSU football. A forgotten coach who struggles to stay 6-6 in a distant conference, and no one really cares or thinks about him anymore. I don’t think JS really grasps the degree to which he betrayed OSU in the darkest hour, including the timing and throwing multiple games in the last half of the season. He should just stay away and not return. He exchanged the walk-on narrative for a bag of gold and he can stay in the midwest forever. OSU should have enough dignity to not honor him or ask him to return for any official events etc. He is the Judas of OSU sports for all time as far as I’m concerned.
“… and great presence that parallels what Chris Petersen did at Boise St..”
That’s a great thought.
Until he left for Washington, lol
“I made a really tough decision and pulled as much of the staff and recruits away from Oregon State as I could. It was really hard on me.”
Yea, it was so hard on him that he pillaged everything he could. Really hope things do not go well for him.
I piece-mealed the interview, but he really is trying to defend his decision. It’s ridiculous. You can read each statement here and immediately place an action he undertook that undercuts it.
And the very last bit of it, he all but admits he didn’t want to be at the helm to weather the challenges he saw.
—
“It was painful to leave,” Smith told me. “Painful.”
“But at the same time,” Smith said. “I’m competitive. I wasn’t trying to just get out of Dodge. When you looked at Michigan State, it fit.”
“I felt like this was a really good fit to compete at this level,” Smith said. “Call it what it is, security of the conference thing. I had to make a tough, tough call.”
“I did take the mindset that once I got going,” Smith said, “I was gone.”
He stumbled a bit as he thought about what he wanted to say next. “Call it …”
“I wish I would have …”
Finally, he admitted, “I didn’t anticipate as much pushback. I anticipated some, but not as much. And I could have maybe handled it better.”
In the tunnel, I asked Smith if he felt like he had finished the job at Oregon State. He responded emphatically: “No.”
Was that because of the situation unfolding around him?
“One hundred percent,” he said.
Fuck that bitch forever. Hope he gets his shit stomped in every game he coaches from here on out. What a whiney pussy
No-ner
Everyone is the hero of their own story.
Poor little smith. If he folds to pressure like he did after the conference collapsed, I wonder what will happen when they only get 6 or 7 wins out of him at MSU? One phone call to Ericksen about chasing dollars would have set him straight. If anything good comes out from his leaving it will be my lack of blood pressure spikes and screaming at the TV when he tries to get cute on 4th and 10 and go for it on his own 20 yard line.
Good riddance.
“Steve McCoy, the Beavers’ equipment manager, passes out so much gear that he had no choice.”
Ha! It was equipment staff that leaked Smith’s departure immediately prior to CW. Go back to CW thread, I posted that early in the thread and predicted blowout because Smith was checked out and team upset, distracted. Wonder if it was McCoy?
He’s NEVER welcome back. He can go fuck himself.
Despite the title, neither Smith nor the author identify what he wished he ‘d dine differently. Smith just turns to “i didn’t anticipate as much pushback.”
Weak on both their parts.
This is how most Beaver fans feel about Smith right now: https://youtu.be/GfVB2S5-oOQ?si=gUbNC6iTM3SCkws-
Make it the Traitorous Eleven. Ten schools and one mole man.
Even dressed in MSU green…same build, posture…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_Man
This should be our attitude whenever Smith opens his mouth:
https://youtu.be/v4Gg-9n6i7s?si=w4RBqqyhu6Nptlfc
Paying mega bucks to build a team like the Ducks, makes winning meaningless. It is like a bunch of whores groping over an old rich man. Think they would be there if no money? Take away the lavish surroundings, endless NIL money, and excessive marketing, and you would probably have an average football team. They should have a good season but the wins will be hollow. Ducks enjoy your whore wins but remember you are really not that special.
It takes money to build an elite team in modern college football unfortunately. Even the historically good blue bloods still need to pump millions into their programs to stay competitive. Can’t hate on the Ducks because we would be foolish to not do the same exact thing if someone like Huang came out of the woodwork looking to fund our athletics like Phil did for them. The Ducks were also a pretty historically terrible football program until the Uncle Phil money began to come in, however they’ve done an amazing job at putting themselves on the college athletics map.
The luxury facilities and flashy uniforms that almost all college teams strive to have now adays? Oregon did it first. Those kinds of things attract teenagers to come play for you. They’re not looking to woo 50+ alumni. They built something to put their otherwise nationally irrelevant college town of Eugene on the map. Now you can wave your fist at the clouds, or you can recognize that they adapted to a changing athletic landscape, and have built a nationally recognized and revered athletics brand almost from scratch in about 20 years, and will consistently be in the national title conversation for years to come. Saying that that their wins mean nothing just screams of coping.
Now I know people will call me a Duck fan for this response, they call me that regardless, but I’m not. I can just recognize reality. Don’t act like you would turn up your nose if Huang threw a cool billion at athletics.
They went explicitly “anti tradition” brought Nike marketing to bear (which kids love) and it worked….
But in the end it was brazenly cheating in a system that allowed selective cheating even when the rules were clear. Ducks get no credit from me when we know they were paying players long before NIL. And now they can just brag about how much NIL means to their success, which oddly proves they would be nothing without it. Lanning was on Pat McAfee show trying to downplay the impact of NIL because their obscene payroll makes them a threat to SEC country so the NIL “is just a part of the success”
Easy to call BS on the whole duck athletic department, all cheaters and none of their success is legitimate in my view. They were a toilet bowl school with a toilet seat logo and have been gifted untold millions to chase a national title for 20 years and still can’t get it. Now they think a title is owed to them.
Historically, “blue blood” were paying their recruits and recruit families…so in that regard, UO was “traditional,” they just marketed themselves as anti-tradition.
Built from scratch over 20 years… wtf.
They went to a Rose Bowl in ‘95.
Players should choose a school based upon the merits and not because some shoe guy artificially inseminates it with absurd amounts of cash. Wins will be based primarily by those schools with the richest sugar daddy’s. At least most professional sports have some sort of salary cap/luxury tax. The balloon has been deflated for me and I have become, at best, a casual observer of major college sports.
You’re such a fucking duck idiot
“I thought it would be a good way to say, ‘Hi,’” Lanning said with a cheshire grin.
The star of Big Ten media days wasn’t Lanning, Dillon Gabriel or any of the other coaches and players who descended on Lucas Oil Stadium this week. It was the inflatable fowl, the size of a three-bedroom starter home, that the Oregon Ducks plopped in the middle of American’s heartland.
It could be seen from various vantage points through downtown Indianapolis — and probably the moon.
…
“What should the Big Ten know about Oregon?” Lanning asked. “That we’re mighty different.”
Lanning’s an old football coach at heart, but the guy gets branding, doesn’t he?
“We’re mighty different when it comes to the jerseys we get to wear or the facilities we’re in,” Lanning continued. “We’re innovative. We’ve always been on the cutting edge of everything we do. We certainly positioned ourselves to be on the cutting edge and we’re grateful for the opportunity compete in the Big Ten.
…
All the wonky rankings say that’s true. The Ducks have more top-tier recruits than in Lanning’s first two years. They have more depth at key spots, especially the skill positions. The new quarterback, Gabriel, has a chance to set the NCAA record for career-passing yards.”
Ok, more attention grabbing antics….branding….hyperbole…”..always been cutting edge…”
Throwing garbage in a river is cutting edge?
I doubt that the duck hubris will be well received in the midwest. It’s likely they have already worn out their welcome and will galvanize all fanbases against them. Ducks will be the villains of the Big10 going forward and the rest of the nation will get to endure the arrogance we have been dealing with for a couple of decades.
this guy: AHHHH! OSU baseball sucks! Nobody wants to play for Mitch! AHHHH!
also this guy: Sorry, but Nikegon is awesome.
One thing is for certain: They still have to play the games, and these off-season Natties will again be all they have.
https://www.si.com/college/oregon-state/football/posts/watch-pac-12-releases-media-day-video-after-hours-with-the-beavs-cougs
10-1. The UO game doesn’t exist to my brain so I’m not including it. but they’ll blow 1 somewhere along the way.
That roadie to Air Force smells like trouble. Like those inexplicable late season losses in Arizona kind of trouble.
It’s gonna depend on 2 things. O line and QB play. I think the defense will be fine.
But with 7 MW teams on the schedule there should be at least 5 wins.
Worst case scenario 5-7. Best case? 9 or 10 wins
That CFP talk is nice and all, but I think it’s a crack pipe dream
Because of the schedule, CFP is possible IF everything clicks. Big if.
There are some pundits that agree: PFF has us at #27 in their preseason rankings, one of the projectors (ESPN?) gives us a >0% chance of making the CFP.
Expecting a new head coach, new OC, new OL coach, (likely) new QB, an OLine with significant turnover and a (mostly) new set of WRs, to get 10+ wins in their first season is very unrealistic.
Bray is probably +2 over Smith in that he won’t do dumb things like have a FG kicker try to run for a TD on the road….schedule is more forgiving…but still, there’s too much change and inexperience. And last year’s terrible tackling is cause for concern. There’s no margin for that.
8 wins would be pretty good. 9-10 would be pretty impressive, even with the schedule, and something that allows them to continue to attract 3* players and the occasional 4*. You can win with legit 3*s, solid coaching, and playing as a team.
It will be interesting to se me if the homefield advantage holds, or the schedule results in decreased attendance and fan enthusiasm at games. The student section will probably be great.
Good thoughts. A couple responses:
1-“last years terrible tackling…..
2-“playing as a team”…..
The Bray factor should help on both. He’s got no family or interests outside of FB as far as we know, intensity should be off the charts especially when compared to previous seasons.
3-“homefield advantage”…..good question, not a strong suit if it depends on marketing, gotta win.
Take the over 7.5 wins.
In terms of #1, just not having Lolo or Easton should mitigate that stat.
Thanks Obj for the perspective reset. But since it is still preseason, I’m going to continue to hope for the things in the Beavs favor all aligning into that one great season of redemption and success.
Cons for the year are all pointed out above:
Bray inexperienced, tackling, OL, OC, QB, WR all new
Pros for OSU:
Schedule is softer than we have had in 40 years
Bray isn’t a total doofus and he is defintely worth 2+ games above JS
Offense is an unknown for early season matchups- SDSU, Oregon and Purdue
Bray is hyped and I don’t think he is just blowing smoke, I think he knows what he has on the defensive side for sure
Gundy has already said he will adjust to the talent with play calling, that is much different and a good sign
Revenge, retribution, motivation for this team to make a statement for disrespect from everyone
Multiple teams on the schedule have new qbs, new head coaches and new DCs too so we aren’t alone in that category
If I say they lose to Air Force or UNLV due to the negatives, then I can’t see them beating WSU, Cal, Purdue or Oregon. Then it is a 5-7 disaster for the little engine that could. Rather, I think the advantages the Beavs do have can become a momentum season of real success and I’ll call 10-2 at least, maybe even better.
I know it may be too much to hope for Bray, Gundy, OL, QB, WRs to all be top shelf performers in order to have a magical year, but we have seen other schools have that happen. I think the self imposed limitations of the last 20 years, between Riley/Banker 2.0, GA disaster, JS/Lindgren mystery play calls have all conditioned us to not have any truly high expectations. Between JS and Bray, I’d say Bray possesses a lot more of the DE era internally than JS. I think Bray may be the best coach we have had since DE, and even back to Prothro. It is early of course but I know Bray isn’t going to prevent the Beavs from winning in nearly the same way we have seen for too long.
Bray is tyhe reason JS even got a look form other schools, because Bray changed the team once he took over as DC. I think the same effect will happen for the team as a whole. Bray may be a great, humble, competitive leader who only lives football, and has a lot of resources to learn from, lean on and grow. Beavs go 10-2 or 11-1, and I think will have a legit shot at the playoffs.
I LIKE your take, and would love for you to be right, but…
“Bray is hyped and I don’t think he Is just blowing smoke, I think he knows what he has on the defensive side for sure
Gundy has already said he will adjust to the talent with play calling, that is much different and a good sign
Revenge, retribution, motivation for this team to make a statement for disrespect from everyone.”
I think the LBs are going to be fun to watch…Jordan could have a big year.
I hope the team is working extra hard in the weight room, QBs are throwing to WRs/RBs regularly, and the OL and DL are working out and trying to build cohesion…
I know teams already do these things, but this off season i wonder if there is extra emphasis and effort to increase their ability to play together faster this fall with all this newness and change? Wonder if Bray has a special plan for the time coaches can’t be with them?
Air Force will be a tough game
“That roadie to Air Force smells like trouble. ” – DanOregon
Last 3 games: AF @ 6K feet elevation, v.WSU, then @BSU at 9:00 am PST…
Plus they run the triple option effectively.
It’s best to catch a triple-option team late in the season, because they’ll be beat up and relying on positions 100-120 for quality time.
They can do this because they have always paid their players a baseline sum, and they have no roster limits.
Not sure how O’Leary got away with it at GaTech, because I saw our team get pummeled, even with a good Rocky Long defense on the field. Losing every game 23-12 is still losing every game.
Best to not underestimate them.
I have no estimate until I see how they navigate the season.
Yep, QB play is the key. Has got to be able to extend and make plays. And don’t turnover the ball! If we get average to above play from the oline and defense and get good play from the qb I think we can win 7 or 8 games. If we get great play from our qb we could win 9 or 10 games.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-to-increase-scholarships-for-sports-with-football-getting-roster-limit-of-105-players-164300598.html
New roster caps for football likely hurt the beavs in recruiting out of high school. Big schools will definitely offer more scholarships and try to stash players. Beavs will have to fight for transfer portal players when they don’t get to play at the big schools.
Might help baseball out by being able to offer more full scholarships to star recruits (giving them more leverage to not turn pro) and still giving end of roster players who need to develop some aid.
It’s likely a part of the House settlement.
Full rides are compensation and will count as such in revenue sharing. And you can’t ask walk-ons to hoe the same row, without at least a baseline compensation, or they can file their own class action.
I’m guessing this is to keep from classifying any of them as employees. And it either adds women’s ships or reduces men’s sports. That last part will probably benefit schools without football teams, since schools with will likely be cutting beyond a handful of them.
Regardless, the cap won’t hurt us, because a lot of those teams had 125+ on the team. A lot of would be walk-ons at the blue bloods will now be scattered.
Sounds like every sport will be an equivalency sport now. So football can now offer partial scholarships.
Wonder if the conferences will still say scholarships will be honored for 4 years. Big schools might get stuck with some fringy players who take up a valuable roster spot.
So it’s capped on ships, not roster positions.
I see.
I see the breakdown now.
They aren’t equivalency, as in being able to share one ship among two or more players. They do have a roster cap at 105, but schools don’t have to give out those extra 20 (assuming because they can’t). What they can do is make any or all ships less than a full ride, if that’s all they can afford. But it’s still one ship per player, without sharing.
Stevie Thompson Jr is playing for Puerto Rico basketball team in the Olympics
Also, Ali Gibson playing for PR Womens team.
It will be fun to see Stevie dribbling all over the place for the last few secs of the shot clock, shuffling for an extra 2 steps and then chuck a nice 3 dagger over LeBronda for the win. Thanks for the memories Stevie!
Marie gulich is playing for Germany
He was leading the summer league NBA in scoring at one point.
Here is why I want to compare Trent Bray to Chris Petersen:
Bray is 41 years old, Petersen was 42 when he took over at Boise St.
Both have had extensive coaching experience up to this point of their careers and neither had been a head coach yet. Petersen had a roster of guys who loved and trusted him when Hawkins left for Colorado. Same for Bray right now. Boise St had a 5 year run of success prior to Hawkins leaving and the roster wasn’t in disrepair, perhaps this is a bit of a mystery for where oSU sits, but I think this is balanced out by the change of schedule difficulty.
Chris Petersen had been OC for Boise St for 5 years, took over as head coach in 2006 and finished 13-0 with a Fiesta Bowl upset win over Oklahoma.
He had an 8 year run at Boise St of 92-12, 5 conference championships, 2 National Coach of the Years awards and 2 BCS appearance wins. If Bray can approach any of that in the next 8 years, he will be an OSU legend greater than the Great Pumpkin or any other coach in the last 75 years.
Petersen career record at BSU:
2006- 13-0
2007- 10-3
2008- 12-1
2009- 14-0
2010- 12-1
2011- 12-1
2012- 11-2
2013- 8-4
Give me those 8 years for OSU any day. Go Beavs!
I recall Petersen’s teams being very disciplined. Am i remembering that correctly? Not a lot of dumb penalties. Also sound blocking and tackling fundamentals.
If a player had a small role, it was still meaningful to keep them motivated and engaged during practices and game…
They knew how to shit talk during the post game hand shaking.
Lol
Not hard to get under Blount’s skin
I thought college football was going off the rails, but pro contracts continue to amaze me:
“Coming off a spectacular 2023 campaign, his debut as the Pack’s starting quarterback, Jordan Love is now tied for the title of NFL’s highest-paid player ever, agreeing Friday to a four-year, $220 million extension with $155 million guaranteed….
Love becomes the eighth quarterback with a deal averaging at least $50 million annually and ties for the spot of top earner with the Cincinnati Bengals’ Joe Burrow and Jacksonville Jaguars’ Trevor Lawrence, who also average $55 million apiece.
Love’s 32 touchdown passes in 2023 trailed only MVP runner-up Dak Prescott (36). More importantly, Love was at the controls for the Packers’ second-half surge after a 3-6 start. They won seven of their final 10 games, including the playoffs.. ”
32 TDs, 10 wins and one playoff win is “spectacular?” Of these guys, Burrow seems most likely to produce at a consistently high level, barring further injuries…
The NFL and NBA somehow keep getting bigger broadcast deals with international audiences in mind i guess. The next round of NCAA pro football realignment and broadcast rights should be equally crazy…
The “further” injuries will be key for Burrow. He did not impress last season.
Neither did Lawrence. I watched his game a little more closely this year, and I saw a lot of throws that I thought only DJU would make (like missing a wide open throw over the middle and 15 yards downfield, in the endzone, and he just air-mailed it).
Looks like MBB filled that open roster spot. A 21-year old who, from what I can tell, has been playing professionally in Lithuania and was a part of the 2023 NBA Draft pool before withdrawing.
https://x.com/LiutaurasLelev1/status/1816863983091015876
Imagine this happening 20 years ago.
Mentioning DJU reminds me of another plus for this upcoming season. We don’t have the lure of his ability to “throw” it 75 yards sinking drive after drive. In somer odd way, I’m more interested to see if BG/McCoy/Johnson can make basic throws and process quickly for inside screens, quick routes rather than the long 7 second route tree that becomes another drive killing incompletion or sack.
It seems that Gundy should understand the limitation of a new Oline means quick decisions and RPOs instead of statuesque 50 yard incompletions.
Don’t know if this was already mentioned, but Baseball got a transfer C from Northwest Florida State college. Started out at Mississippi State his Fr. year, then went JUCO this past season. He was committed to Georgia, but flipped to OSU. Not very impressive stats, though. Only .252 BA with 4 HR and 19 RBI, and struck out in 1/3 of his ABs (34SO/103AB).
https://x.com/BHubbard2022/status/1815546621050179895
https://www.nwfraiders.com/sports/bsb/2023-24/players/brycehubbardq9lo
The SOs could be concerning. But if he’s a good backstop, he can learn to bunt and hit to contact, and we can stick him in the 8 hole.
As was demonstrated against Kentucky, that position is more important on D than it is on O. Adley was just a freak who could do both. Sometimes you get Gary Carter. Sometimes you get Mike Scioscia. Both will help win games.
Was going to walk on at Georgia I believe.
Individually, we have no control of any of it. Probably not collectively either. It’s happened quickly, so there are many of us around who lament loss of the Pac-12 and the rest of the good old days. Won’t be long however b4 the powers that be will have a minor nfl league, highly paid NIL college teams in place. Not long before the same teams will win year after year – there will be no mystery, ho-hum, and no one around to recall how much fun it used to be. In part, we did it to ourselves with our insatiable appetite for online content.
that was in response to ObjCritic, 8:11 a.m.
When does fall camp start?
Wednesday, 7.31.24 i think…
Anybody have cliff notes of Canzano’s recent article? Makes it sound like the Big10 and Pac2 teams have some potential future opportunity together? Though it’s just the tease to the main paywall article.
My grandmother told me if I don’t have anything good to say, I shouldn’t speak.
I listened.
I was also a teen.
Clownzano for the win.
“I’m told by a source that asked to remain anonymous that there potentially could be a possibility of P2 and B10 scheduling in the future. Details are yet to be developed, but if it’s to B10 financial advantage, they may do it.”
Or maybe P2 network producing some west coast B10 games?
Big10 has every incentive to keep the Apple Cup/Civil War going. Guaranteed sellout non-conf games against opponents with far fewer resources.
If you agree to it, then make it a big payday home game since the Big10 created the travel issues in the first place by poaching 1/3 of the PAC12 conference.
I’d say PAC2 should get at least $5 million per Big10 game, broadcast rights and PAC2 Network production. If the Big 10 wants to make things easier for their western time zone members, then pay the piper, otherwise go pound sand.
If OSU/WSU agree to 3 or 4 games each with the Big10 schools then it should be at least another $30-$40 million to split between them. Make it worthwhile to just bring them both into the Big10 if that is the next option.
I like the hardball.
I like the cost argument better.
I like forgetting they exist more.
Invite to Big Ten or P4 money to stay “P2” and essentially be Independents In football long term.
Oh and play the games Thanksgiving Weekend.
Those are my demands.
Who is the last acceptable quarterback for Oregon State?
Terry Baker
Matt Moore
Aiden Chiles?!?
nope
He’ll likely be good at MSU, until ijuries happen.
Mannion and Moore get props.
I also accept the one year of Moevao and Canfield as acceptable.
I mean, DJU’s play was acceptable, in my opinion. But also underwhelming considering the hype and potential.
Considering the Gulbranson lead team went 10-3 and DJ’s team went 8-5, he was underwhelming. He had a chance against the Huskies that might have defined the season and he couldn’t get it done.
I think Ben’s team was more efficient, because he ignored Lindgren’s calls for check downs more often, and he didn’t telegraph it when he did.
Does anyone know what the expected production capacity will be for the PAC12 network during football season? It seems like there could be a substantial income stream that is sort of hidden within the assets with the ramped up production idea.
If they can begin chipping into the marketplace for some of the bigger games on the west coast as a cost saving measure for the networks, and charge plenty to help out, maybe the profits would add to OSU/WSU budgets.
Wait… we should utilize the PTN to produce content that RSNs are abandoning?
That’s a great idea!
Lol Thanks Jack. I was merely reviewing the opportunities we all know are there, but my questions is how big is the opportunity based on production capabilities. Does anyone have a good guess on how big of an asset could the PAC Network actually be?
That’s a good question.
And how connected are we, in order to take advantage of what opportunities exist?
Four days… four… long… days.
OT:
Associated Press has article up on Jade Carey some may find of interest; having difficulty linking atm.
(Also grats to men’s national team, who won a medal; schools may want to reconsider their funding for their program)
I watched a video of a Travis B hit in yesterday”s game. I mostly follow bbb on the radio during the season and wasn’t aware of his batting stance. That’s a lot of motion!
Fuaga impressing in Saints camp at left OT:
“The New Orleans Saints view Taliese Fuaga as so talented they decided to see if he’s capable of playing at left tackle after playing primarily at right tackle in college. The Saints informed Fuaga they were considering swapping him with left tackle Trevor Penning before they used their first-round pick (No. 14) to select him in the 2024 NFL draft.
Fuaga has been a quick study and has impressed the coaching staff and his teammates during training camp.
“As long as I’ve been here, I think he is the best offensive lineman that I have seen,” Saints veteran center Erik McCoy told reporters Saturday. “Just as far as his mental, physical and I think Tali is a freakin’ dog. I’m a fan already.”
Fuaga’s ability to slide into the left tackle position has prompted McCoy to talk in superlatives about the rookie. McCoy said he thinks the former Oregon State Beavers’ star could play anywhere on the offensive line.
“The guy is a (freakin’) natural. I truly believe he can play all four – he can’t play center – all four positions on the line and be a dog. I think he’s gonna be that good of a football player,” McCoy told reporters. “I don’t want to build him up too much and I don’t want to project what I’m feeling on him. I think he’s gonna be a lock down. He’s way better than I was as a rookie.”
The difference between left and right tackle is significant. Instead of facing second-tier edge rushers, he’ll face the best edge rushers in the NFL while protecting quarterback Derek Carr’s blind side.
McCoy, a second-round pick (No. 48) in the 2019 NFL draft, has seen rookies come and go during his six years in the league. He sees something special in Fuaga that he says will elevate him to the elite level during his career.
“It’s hard to excel as a rookie. There’s a big difference between being a guy out there and being A GUY out there,” McCoy told reporters. “I think he’s gonna be A GUY out there.”
https://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/2024/07/nfl-training-camp-2024-former-oregon-state-beavers-star-taliese-fuaga-earning-rave-reviews-with-the-new-orleans-saints.html
I’d mark this upcoming season as a success if Bray and co. can make calculated adjustments as opposed to doubling down on failing strategies, especially on offense. I think that’ll get us to 8 wins.
Not making adjustments is what doomed Jimmy Lake.
Jade Carey enjoying Olympic Gold w/Team USA!!!
Apparently she did great on the vault.
Go Beavers!
We’re a women’s gymnastics school, baby!
Screw natties.
World Championships are what we’re about.
How soon until NikeU begins focusing on gymnastics gold to keep OSU out of the spotlight?
If OSU accomplishes something significant, NikeU must respond.
How much of a downgrade do you guys think DeVan will be?
Probably big. Going from one of the best OLine coaches in the nation to a very inexperienced one with a good pedigree of coaches and professional players.
We’ll see if he has them playing as a true unit like Coach M did.
Ya obviously lost some good pieces but coach M had it stocked with his guys. Hopefully we’ll see them look really good against the mountain west schools they’ll be facing this season. The ability to run the ball effectively season after season with all conference backs was awesome! Are those days gone now with DeVan and Gundy? Time will tell but sounds like the backs are will be looked to to become receiving threats on short completions and the ith an a emphasis on YAC.
Strand I think is the big piece this season. Can he step into that starting LT spot and protect the QB? If he can do well I think they have all the pieces to produce at the same level with the easier schedule.
I honestly can’t find anything bad written about the guy. Everywhere he went there are articles about how he inherited this dysfunctional or “much maligned” o-line, and he had them running like a unit within half a season. I know these are puff pieces, but they show that he’s a bright spot wherever he goes. And he truly loves Corvallis, so his pitch is sincere as all get out.
He’s not inheriting a dysfunctional group this time. And he seems to be drawing the same kind of developmental recruits the last guy was.
Gundy is the question mark for me.
All Gundy has to do is not be Brian Lindgren and it is an improvement. Gundy just needs to call plays to the game at hand.
No more insane commitment to a 50/50 pass/run no matter the circumstances.
You must have a short memory of OC’s at OSU. There are plenty of flavors of play calling misstep:
-The Riley “panic and abandon the run as soon as things go against you”
-The McGiven “keep things ridiculously simple because your talent can’t handle anything that would give you the chance to move the ball more than 4 yards”
-The Lindgren “get way too cute about trying to keep the other team on their toes even if something is working”
Good thoughts, but you left off the total lack of situational awareness of Riley who seemed to believe saved TO’s could be turned in for a new bike or toaster oven.
Situational awareness, focus, and “playing the game you are in” should be solid under Bray and, by extension, Gundy.
Riley: a quick incompletion is as good as a TO
I forget, is Gundy covering both the OC role and QB coaching, similar to Lindgren?
At least Lindgren had Smith to bounce ideas off of with both coaching positions. I’m afraid Gundy is going to be in over his head trying to handle both as a brand new O.C.
Yes he is.
With Tristan Gebbia, Grad assistant, offense, Will Heck Offensive Quality Control.
No info provided on Heck.
https://osubeavers.com/sports/football/coaches
Heck played at Linfield, went on to get a Masters in Public Health at Cal as a GA and in the OQC position there.
He was Linfield’s o-line coach last year.
Originally a Crescent Valley player.
Jon what’s his name is a former OC and QB coach, too.
https://youtu.be/sejeXBxhPgw?si=LriMh4O1F9dIAb__
Bray post Fall Practice Day 1
@MHver3:
“Big12 in deep talks with Amazon and Apple regarding tv rights for additional inventory that would be created from new additions. Inventory that would be available if Fox doesn’t pick up their option on that inventory.”
https://x.com/MHver3/status/1818781011846873361
Of course they are…UW sunk that ship and the guy that lead that charge is now in Tuscaloosa. So dumb and such a missed opportunity at the time. It did have some visionary elements but too many old academic guys in suits to see it, I guess.
PAC probably deserved to die given the internal jealousies/hypocrisies of schools like Stanford, UW, Oregon and USC, like a bunch of backstabbing fools.
“Hearing Fox has no interest in optioning those 2 additions as they already have those markets locked up. That’s a lot of inventory on the table for a streamer to begin to build CFB programming.”
This was an additional comment after the one below, basically saying ESPN thinks ACC is going down big time no matter what (regardless if FSU/CLEM go B12 or not, so they want Pac-2 in the B12 to lock up west coast time slots.
Clemson/FSU make more sense in the SEC. Built in rivalries with South Carolina and Florida. Just fits better
“ESPN has done a 180 on Pac2 additions and is pressuring B12 to invite both schools. B12 may expand before ACC implosion begins. Pac2DoomsadyClock??”
WHOA
August 2nd/3rd could be an interesting time. Pac can’t comment on anything just yet.
I still hate to see TV controlling/destroying 100 years of history and rivalries, but at the same time it would be nice to not see OSU get killed off.
The irony if Apple and the Big12 strike a deal to produce Big12 programming using the Pac12 network infrastructure.
I actually can’t blame Larry Scott as much fpr the conference’ demise as some people want to. He had some forward looking ideas. He just couldnt convince 12 presidents to get their heads out of their collective asses.
GK was just the whimpering idiot who couldnt save a sinking ship
Supposedly B12 straw poll 7-5 in favor of adding P2
Negotiation tactic
Travis Bazanna 2-4 tonight with a grand slam
11-5 (The 4 corners get a vote on Friday)
Does it need to be unanimous?
The thought it is West Virginia that’s the no. Kansas / OSU / Cinn / USF standing with them. Told none of these are hard “NO” just want more info and probably some scheduling concession for WV. Supposedly a BIG12 board meeting is being scheduled to discuss.
He also said he is told one of the 4 corner school leaked an Email to Wazzu they were not suppose to see. This has ESPN working hard behind the senses to get this done. Hummmm
75%
Where is this story coming from? Source? Not doubting it, just curious.
MHVer on Twitter.
Any long-time Beaver fan would be preparing for Lucy at this point.
Get ready to yell ARGGGG. If it happens great, but I’m not holding my breath.
Today:
“Gulbranson, who guided the Beavers to a 7-1 record as the starter down the stretch of the 2022 season, won the first day. The redshirt junior, who split first- and second-team reps with McCoy, completed roughly 70% of his passes during 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 work and was responsible for the play of the day, connecting with wide receiver Trent Walker on a deep touchdown pass.
It remains to be seen if Gulbranson is the right fit for new offensive coordinator Ryan Gunderson’s system. But the veteran who has thrown for 1,705 yards and 11 touchdowns over parts of three seasons in an Oregon State uniform revealed the most poise and polish on the opening day of fall camp, easily outshining his younger counterparts.
“We know who he is,” Bray said of Gulbranson. “He’s great leader, a great teammate. He just does everything you ask. So looking forward to seeing how he continues to progress.”
McCoy and Johnson had their moments, too, performing well in 7-on-7 work. But they failed to complete a pass in 11-on-11 situations.”
“The quarterbacks had a hard time seeing over the size of the OL, so they were quick to bail the pocket when the pressure/opportunity presented itself. We saw some nice rushes from Tygee Hill on the interior and he’s a guy to keep an eye on as camp continues… He’s one of the DL transfers …”
That’s going to be a problem.
That would be Mccoy and Johnson.
Ben obviously didn’t have an issue. And neither will Gutridge.
Seen this movie before
Tomorrow is the signing deadline for draft picks. Only Haight is unsigned and unlikely to. Every current player who got drafted signed.
Checking out the bonuses – Swanson got $722K on a slot value of $195k. That’s late round 3 money so good for him.
Beavs made out pretty well with two of the top three recruits coming to campus.
Pac2 relinquishes ownership of PAC assets to B12 as a condition of joining the conference. This includes all monies, media infrastructure, and intellectual property
Mhver twitter
Demand a full share immediately or tell them to pound sand.
Great minds…
Was basically typing the same thing just now. :)
I doubt we’d give all that up for any less.
It truly doesn’t make financial sense
I’m a seasoned Beaver skeptic, but for the sake of conversation, I’ll entertain this idea for a minute.
IF we did this, it would be nice to see us and WSU negotiate from a position of power and not take any reduced revenue like all those schools that scurried away last summer. If you want all of our conference assets, then give us a full piece of the pie from Day 1.
Just saying, it would be nice.
“Pac2 relinquishes ownership of PAC assets” – On a far lesser scale, why does this remind me of Ukraine relinquishing its nuclear capabilities in exchange for European affiliation.
Disappointment incoming>>>>get ready for the crashing sound of high expectations. In no way should they relinquish the rights to the assets in a short sighted deal. ESPN is maneuvering to take out the PAC Network as a competitor and using the carrot of Big12 entrance to do what they couldn’t do last fall by killing the conference. I see it as a huge mistake to let go without full compensation for entrance and some back pay form ESPN as well. ESPN has lawsuits coming at them over this stuff and they want to end as much of the problem as possible.
What happens to the war chest if PAC2 join and the conference is no more? Is it still split between the OSU/WSU?
Is there a deadline for when the other schools have no more say or access to those assets?
The PAC network is the biggest bargaining chip, no doubt, and ironically. But it is also the best possibility of extended revenue creation for the PAC2 moving forward into a revised PAC12 conference. The have the PAC Network as a separate entity under the branding and it is a real need for some of the networks to get help with production of live sporting events. I hope they don’t negotiate from weakness but from strength and even demand more since both athletic departments were ripped apart for the last year.
Fox is happy with Big10 and has stayed out of it. ESPN is simply trying to whittle away competition for the SEC by slicing up the remaining 3 major conferences. Joining the Big12 is likely a good thing short-term, but the overall landscape is completely disrupted by ESPN’s “world dominance” approach and a scorched earth policy over all of college football.
He may as well say “Big12 demands a ransom from PAC2 to be invited into their conference”. If they are demanding ALL conference MONIES, ASSETS, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY then it is definitely the kill shot for the PAC12 forever, and Big12 is being directed by ESPN to do it.
I don’t know if it is worth that, honestly. I guess a great negotiator would be just as bold and demand the moon back at them. We’ll see if it is all smoke and mirrors to make Big12 look good and everyone can just bag on OSU/WSU all year by saying “they had a chance to join the Big12 but refused”. So perhaps it is along the lines of -“make them an offer they can’t accept” so we can finally flush the woe is me narrative, so victim schools who were left behind sob story can be avoided as we enter this year of college football. ESPN can then openly mock OSU/WSU as losers since they had a chance and refused it. I wonder how honest the offer is as I’m typing. All media has stuck with the mindset that OSU/WSU aren’t worth covering and this gives them the cover to no longer comment or mention the left behinds.
This is the Lucy scenario to perfection.
Two years from tomorrow is the date the conference becomes us controlling all remaining assets.
If we dissolve it before then, the assets would be liquidated and distributed equally to all 12.
This offer, if true, obviously has a workaround in mind, if the assets are to be distributed to only one conference. And it’s likely as simple as us just running out the clock.
LOL I know this will be iterative, but this is such a terrible offer if it’s real:
WVU and a few other B12 schools offering the following counter-proposal to BY today:
B12 enters a scheduling alliance with Pac2 in 2025. If ratings are satisfactory then an invitation to join would be extended with entrance fee requirements and a graduated buy in. The “entrance fee” would be used to offset travel costs for the expanded geographical footprint.
Wouldn’t be a full share member until next tv contract [2031].
Pac2 halts all legal disputes with networks during this “evaluation period.”
Pac2 relinquishes ownership of PAC assets to B12 as a condition of joining the conference. This includes all monies, media infrastructure, and intellectual property.
It sounds like a poison pill to me. They are all in on it. I don’t think it is an honorable deal at all, and anything less than full shares, no entrance fees is asinine. ESPN can help it to happen, but I think they have something else in mind, and it isn’t in favor of OSU/WSU.
Lucy is just off-camera and getting ready to enter, prepare yourselves.
“halt all legal proceedings against the networks”
And now ESPN wants us in a deal like this?
Halting them for the duration would just run out the clock on the statute of limitations–four years from the date of the violation, for antitrust suits.
They can do better.
I wasn’t aware OSU & WSU were in legal proceedings against any network. Did I miss something? Is this real?
They’re certainly exploring it. It’s clearly. market allocation. FOX admits to it in their (supposed) disinterest in us, because they already have those markets.
It sounds like maybe an exploration by regulators into it is occurring? If it gets to that level, the state AGs would step in to file suit on our behalf. That would be terrible optics for Disney, and the outcome could be worse.
Remember that we have standing, because our network was the most affected by their violations. We also have standing against the other three conferences who conspired with the networks to devalue our conference and force us to lose market share.
One would think academic types would understand the basic hurr durrs of a couple hundred year-old laws.
Great post and explanation Jack.
This distills the issue and unmasks the motive
For ESPN being so ready to help get us into a conference.
Yuck. Agree with Ohio. This is no way to start a relationship, to be honest. I’d hard pass.
Technically it would just be getting back into a dysfunctional relationship.
I’d rather take all our assets and build up the MWC schools with the backing of a streaming partner. Dynasty networks are not going to survive the money behind tech. They’re so far behind on infrastructure, and the tech keeps evolving. They just don’t have the overhead to make a one-time investment to catch up.
Having our own network set up for this circumstance was visionary. And now we can use it to our advantage, despite a lesser market share.
It’s all negotiation. The problem for WVU and those schools that don’t want to expand to the Pacific Northwest without locking up bigger brands on the east coast is that they don’t hold any real cards.
Yormark will advocate and deal at the behest of ESPN/FOX, but he has to balance that with all the member schools feeling like they matter and that they have any real power.
In a negotiation the first offer is never your best offer, just a starting spot.
In my opinion:
Scheduling alliance is great – we were never going to join immediately
Evaluating ratings is fine – we have nothing to fear there, we have better rating than most BIG 12 schools
Entry fee is a non starter.
Pac 12 assets could be relinquished to the big 12 in exchange for full share of TV money day 1.
I’m with you. We need a seat at the big kid’s table.
Agree.
Wow! Mark Banker getting support and agreement on this site!
IAGDTBAB!
Currently there are six games on the 2025 schedule; seven with Washington State. This includes four home games.
According to the NCAA, there’s no minimum number of games that would constitute a complete season, so long as five home games are played and average attendance is over 15,000.
Barnes’ top priority should be to get that fifth home game locked up ASAP.
Digital dam has a twitter space going over this, it’s pretty good.
It’s completely fabricated. There is/was no vote of confidence and there is no pending invite to the big12. I would love to be wrong but I’m not.
Canzano saying the same thing as well now. Says there’s nothing to the rumors according to “sources.”
there hasn’t been any kind of negotiations. the big XIIIIII is either positioning itself (poorly), for when we control all assets and future revenues, or it’s just one of several ideas floated during internal discussions, maybe even jokingly, and someone thought it would be click-worthy.
lol @ canzano, he also told us pac was good
Just saw this: “Venue” in development…
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/venu-launch-42-99-per-month-disney-fox-warner-bros-discovery-1236092585/
bread and circuses
No fucking way I’m paying 42.99 to watch second tier games on a streaming site.
It is a losing gamble to think that people will sit down and watch entire games live anymore on a large scale. This is dinosaur thinking. Most will prefer to have access to stream on their own later or just check highiights and blogger commentaries instead of the actual games. The power of a shared cultural experience through the medium of live televised sporting events peaked in about 1980 with the Olympics and has been dwindling ever since. It is now a fragmented and individualized process with so many more options that these dinosaur execs can’t see the forest for the trees.
I’m assuming any streaming package would come with on-demand viewing and even the PTN idea of replaying a game in an hour time slot.
Otherwise, what’s the use?
I do agree that the younger generation doesn’t watch live sports–or even the same sports–as boomers. But their numbers are high enough for this cooperative to probably make money in the short term.
Watched Darius Clemons post-practice interview. He doesn’t look like a WR. Seems like he could play Strong Saefty and lay some hits on people. Get the feeling that if he can stay healthy, he’s got all the physical traits to be a beast for this offense. He gives some good insight on Noga. Really good interview.
Thought he was injured and out for the season?
Or was this just him in street clothes after the team practiced?
Valsin is recovering from knee surgery and likely out for the season.
Clemons (Westview HS, transfer from Michigan) sat out spring while rehabbing a shoulder I think. He’s 100% now. Great interview.
Nice to hesr Gundy’s comments about Clemons and the WR Coach…link pisted below.
Gunderson interview:
https://youtu.be/F7uVdcFjQS8?si=vP-6XmvYltbcKrqx
Interviews with Gunderson, Bray (as usual) and Clemons all enjoyable. Direct, thoughtful, not kaying on the cliches and tropes and Gunderson not answering – but not dodging – questions he shouldn’t be answering.
refreshing overall.
From BBEL FB “the settlement agreement between OSU, WSU and the wretched 10. If the conference does not have 8 members within 2 years, conference assets are to be divided among the original 12 members. OSU and WSU cannot contribute the assets to the Big 12 or any other conference.
The Big 12 is not in control of its own destiny. Nor are the ACC, B1G and SEC. They are ruled by the networks. Unless new media emerges (The CW, Apple, X, etc.), ESPN and Fox Sports will continue as kings.”
My question is would a merger allow pac2 to keep assets?
It’s not going to happen. But if we’re talking hypotheticals, 6 of the 12 teams would be in the big12 which means half of the assets will go to them. The question I’d like to know is if we as the pac2 own the PTN outright at this point or is that included in the money/credits side? I’m not sure there’s really a way for that to move forward if everyone gets a piece in the end.
I’m sure they could do something like have the Big XIIIIII all vote to join the Pac 12. Then they can rebrand as the Pan American Conference, in good hands with Allstate.
I dont love getting into bed with Brett Yormark and the Big12 to be honest. But he does seem to be cutthroat and forward thinking, which would have been helpful from our leadership the past couple decades.
My main hope is we find a way to survive that doesnt depend on ESPN controlling our fate.
Let’s say he does exactly what I said.
The Big XIIIIII don’t have a network. They all have to fend for themselves on third-tier rights. He now has a network that can produce all that content and cut a deal with Apple to distribute it worldwide.
The revenue from that would pay us full shares, and anything over is shared.
Then, in 2031, when first and second-tier rights come on the market, he already has a long working relationship with Apple and a deeper understanding of the streaming world, and he can now negotiate from an informed position.
Only part of the reason Kliavkoff failed is because he’s a dunderhead. Most of the failures were because nobody actually understands the streaming world yet. And that includes a lot of university presidents.
Exactly. Wording of the agreements matters a lot here.
Big 12 Schools VOTE On Adding Washington State, Oregon State in Expansion via ESPN Move, Per Source
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J65bcRTe0Sw
I stopped watching because it was basically a guy reading the same tweets from that MHVer account the past few days.
Was there anything else to it?
It’s just speculation.
That dude has been say the pac2 are getting an invite at least once a month since the breakup. It’s like he doesn’t have enough content to do daily videos so he regurgitates the same bs on a loop.
Also I can take a guy to serious while he’s wearing a pink tiger stripe leotard.
in a hotel room, with a messy bed in the background, and a handheld mic.
agree, hard to take it too seriously.
Gould, Murthy, or Schulz are the people I’ll trust to provide information.
Yes, locked on B12 is a grifter that just recycles the rumors/headlines of the week. He has had zero insight on realignment but pumped out hundreds of hours of content on it over the last year.
Toll works for the savannah bananas, and he had twitter guy immaculate, who talked about how much $ 2pac would get before anyone else
I’m going to disregard that I don’t understand anything about this particular collection of words and just agree that this makes sense.
Even the rich and powerful are trying all the angles to squeeze the fans for their last pennies. At what point does this well run dry? Everyone wants to gripe and moan about inflation and high gas prices and whatever, yet fans are willing to shell out $25, $50 to go watch football practice in the heat. I don’t get it.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/40708287/nebraska-ohio-state-others-boost-nil-funds-via-practice-admission
Commodification of every last activity individuals do, even if its practice.
We are nearing the death of the golden goose if these fools can’t realize the inevitable offensiveness of these tactics to normal “Joe” fans of all regions. The peasants will revolt soon.
NIL is an unchecked blob over all college athletics. Not good at all.
For those people, it never is enough.
SEC and some B10 team fans are obsessed and uncritical about the state of the sport as long as their team benefits in the abstract.
Yup
Oregon State trending on Twitter today, but not WSU. We’re clearly the big brother.
….who keeps getting beat up by the little brother.
9 of the last 10
The one win was when Ben started, and we ran the Wild Beaver with a back-up LB.
Unconventional is the only way we’ve ever had success. Even DEs teams would play Raider-ball, beating on the other team and just accepting that a lot of penalties will be called.
It’s who we are. When we try and be, “as efficient as,” whatever “elite” teams are doing, we lose our identity and can only be as good as we can be.
Players like Mike Hass should tell us that playing smarter, not harder, is the way. It’s college football, and opponents only have so much time to scheme for standard offenses, let alone whack jobs like we can be.
It’s also fun to watch.
Wilner source says Big 12 “isn’t interested” in adding P2, but P2 are talking to several conferences, including power conferences, about joining. Gould declined to comment on the B12 so take from that what you will. Scheduling alliances for 2025 are being discussed with multiple parties, too. Timeline for P2 is they have to make a decision by next spring.
It all seems to hinge on fallout from FSU and Clemson potentially leaving the ACC. If that happens, Big 12 (or others) may be interested in adding more west coast games and the PACN infrastructure.
Seems that was always the case. Wait for things to implode and see where the chips fall.
That’s a canned response from both sides
Day 3 post-practice media appearances for those interested:
DC Keith Heyward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TsOwTIZW4
DL Thomas Collins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guHmSM0Ghao
DB Skylar Thomas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI0RhEu1-KU
CB Jaden Robinson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEUIX9Wp2r4
I don’t want to be a hater but the questions are kind of dumb and cringey.
It’s acceptable to despise today’s journalists.
Skyler was a big loss last season, hopefully he can contribute
If he was healthy we’d probably would have won the Wazzu and Arizona games.
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/what-keith-heyward-said-after-oregon-states-3rd-football-practice-of-preseason-camp.html This article doesn’t sound particularly hopeful.
Go up and watch the video. He is being judicious and not handing out praise to keep guys focused.
What is concerning is dumb reporters frustrating KHJ with knucklehead questions. Probably the one who writes for O-Live.
Yeah. Sounds like a bunch of motivational coach-speak.
They gotta know what it’s like to really be hungry, and stuff like that.
Old Man Poyer #65 in NFL players vote on top 100 players…quite a career!
Fuaga in the near future?
Old Man Poyer #65 in NFL players vote on top 100 players…quite a career!
Fuaga in the near future?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2024/08/02/nfl-top-100-players-of-2024/74643295007/
In case anyone wants to see some background on UCLA and USC bailing 2 years ago….the shock and outrage expressed is followed by those shocked and outraged people bailing soon after…
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2024/08/02/usc-ucla-big-ten-emails-pac-12/74623605007/
Looks like UCLA is going to struggle in the beginning, it will be interesting to see if they can recover. They have to pay “Calimony” and don’t they just get a half share for several years? I can’t see how this makes sense financially.
Don’t all four – USC, UCLA, UW, UO – get half shares until some realignment or new tv deal?
I was wrong about USC/UCLA they get a full share, but UCLA is on the hook for 10 million to Cal (not sure if that’s a one-time payment). UO and UW only get half shares for six years which ironically is probably less than if the P-12 had agreed to the 30-35 million ESPN offered at one time. Apple only offered 25 million as base compensation, but some incentives could have been realistically reached in a couple of years that could have pushed it towards 35-40.
It was projected to ramp up to 35-40, based on subscriptions (Pac 12 would get about $60/year from Apple charging ~$90/year).
But it looks like UW couldn’t afford to run a deficit in any year, including year one. They blew their budget by projecting the same numbers, without even knowing the numbers.
And Arizona turned out to be a shitshow of immense proportions, monetarily.
I’m amazed these schools haven’t collapsed under the weight of their own stupidity.
UCLA is paying Cal 10 million dollars for three years according to what I read.
It seems like at the time, however, fuskie and yuck fans were spouting ‘anticipated increases to 90M with the next deal’ so they were excited to take the L now
https://news.yahoo.com/news/former-michigan-state-football-coach-160047360.html
The complaint also contends that interim president Teresa Woodruff and athletic director Alan Haller made “false and defamatory” public statements against Tucker, “further destroying Plaintiff’s reputation, his professional standing, and his livelihood.”
It would be pretty hilarious if they got a new AD and canned their wussy new coach after he gets his ass beat
I was listening to a college sports program on Sirius and Rick Neuheisel was talking about this and said the attorneys better find out how long the phone calls went on and if they went on for a decent amount of time why didn’t Tracy just hang up? His co-host went silent because I guess this is not the “PC” take. Neuheisel thinks it will be settled and Tucker will recoup some money.
It might not be ok to say it, but everyone is thinking the same thing.
Surprisingly conzano has stopped bringing this story up.
Sean Mannion is an offensive assistant for the Packers!
Carey just won a bronze medal on the vault! Only third place in the world?!?
PARIS — Simone Biles has captured another gold medal at the 2024 Paris Olympics, this one in the women’s vault final on Saturday. It’s her third gold medal of these Games, after leading the U.S. to gold in the team final and winning gold in the all-around final, and extends the Americans’ vault medal streak to four consecutive Games.
Brazil’s Rebeca Andrade won silver, her second silver and third medal overall of these Games. Biles’ teammate Jade Carey won bronze, her second medal here.
Good for Carey (and OSU). I know she was disappointed she couldn’t qualify for the Floor event due to her illness.
Go Beavs. Also, Stephen Thompson scored 8 in the loss to US hoops.
From practice reports it sounds like BG is outright winning the QB competition early in camp and McCoy is still struggling to find consistency. Johnson hasn’t gotten much time with the 1s and has turned it over more than the others.
What I’ve read sounds a little like orange spin. BG isn’t necessarily playing amazing, the other two are just really struggling. I hope I’m just misreading that.
I am playing amazing!! Believe in da Beaver!
Guthridge will be a 4 year starter and eventual Beaver legend. Probably take Beavs to 3 or 4 playoffs and have a shot at wining a national championship in year 4… that is orange spin.
BG is a 5th year guy, not surprising he is doing better in practice settings. His issue is arm strength and recognition during games, although Lindgren never did him any favors with play calls.
70% completion percentage sounds decent, even when the other two didn’t complete a single pass.
Well, if the offense is easier, plus his experience, taller WRs (will they get open consistently), and an easier schedule, maybe he’ll be the guy this year?
Doesn’t sound like McCoy is just stepping up to DI, and Johnson maybe just doing the young player mistakes right now?
I don’t understand how Jade Carey has earned 3 Olympic medals including 2 Olympic gold medals, but hasn’t won an NCAA individual title. Can someone explain this to me?
Thats an easy one, she isn’t competing in the SEC so there is no way she is better than SEC gymnasts.
She’s a gamer
Pac2 is trying to negotiate 8 games apiece from B12 for 2025. Early word is WVU, Cincy, ISU, KST, UCF, Kansas and OKST would not be required to travel. Pac2 would pay $2m per game and be allowed to shop 8 of the games for carriage.
Mhver x
So we get to pay $2M to play the Arizona and UT/CO schools? This should be part of some other agreement.
But we already have 6 games scheduled, 7 including Wazzu.
It would be beyond idiotic for the Pac2 to agree to this.
Looks like it’s 8 games total, not a piece
https://x.com/MHver3/status/1820296927444902295?t=EI1Rt9maj9E54J4KAXnUnQ&s=19
Isn’t MHver3 the ‘source’ that is rarely spot-on? I can’t recall a time when his information was mostly bullshit.
“wasn’t mostly bullshit”
There’s multiple opportunities to work out something without resorting to this bullshit.
Virtually every team that has to play at Hawaii has 10 (Stanford), 11, or 12 games scheduled, and they can opt for a 13th game. USC needs a game. Vanderbilt needs a game. UMass and UConn need two games each, which would be perfect if we scheduled home-and-homes.
There’s a very good chance that we can get at least 7 P4 teams on the schedule for 2025.
It has to be just clickbait. I can’t imagine Barnes et al entertaining these proposals with any real consideration. First we get screwed over by the entire PaC12, then MWC holds us hostage for scheduling and now the Big12 acts like they have 1st dibs on all PaC2 asserts and cash.
Tell them all to pound sand because it won’t be long until they are all in the same situation.
Update
So I misunderstood what my source was saying to me on the B12/Pac2 scheduling that is being negotiated. It’s not 8 games a piece. It’s 8 games total. $2m per game. Pac2 gets to sell carriage on their home games.
Mhver
Is there something I’m missing about why the B12 doesn’t have its own network like all the other Power 4 conferences?
Because of the grant of rights they signed with ESPN creating the Longhorn Network in 2011.
So Texas screwed them over and then Texas left for the SEC?
Yup
The teams I listed before would not be traveling if they are selected to participate. Maher
Who is the P2 using for strategy development? I assume they’ve contracted additional attorneys, someone(s) in media distribution or similar field?
It’s the law firm Rolle, Over & Dye. Sadly they have never been good when they litigate against the national firm Dewey, Cheatum & Howe
Very good…..
Stolen from The Three Stooges…
Someone above asked why Carey hasn’t won National titles, if she is winning Olympic Medals. The answer is Olympic and collegiate Gymnastics have different scoring systems the value different things.
From google
“In elite gymnastics, the open-ended scoring system allows mistakes in form that can be made up by increasing the difficulty of a routine. The 10.0 system in college puts a premium on precision.
“In elite, like for the big tricks, you’re given a bonus and for just doing big tricks, not necessarily doing them perfectly,” said Lisa Bowerman, head coach at Texas Women’s University, a Division II program that is serving as host for nationals.
While the routines may be “easier” by definition, the slightest wobble can be the difference between winning a national championship or finishing off the podium.”
She also said silently, “and it is this fine line of subjectivity which allows much more leeway for the judges to pick the SEC girls as champions.”
Seems like Dr Ben is QB1 right now. Per the Beavers Edge pod, it’s not so much an indictment of the other 2 guys, but that Ben has looked fairly good plus he’s got the experience, etc. Obviously his last outing was awful, but so was everything about that bowl game and not a fair look for anyone offensively. I think what you’re wanting to have happen is an offense that can be efficient and protect the ball. Not sure it’s fair to expect anything more from installing a brand new offense and with all new players outside of 1 or 2 guys. While I like the talent that Bray and Co has been able to get despite all the issues at hand, i think people really need to be realistic about what to expect from this team. I see so many people posting on SM that Beavs should win 10+ games due to schedule, etc but my expectation is really to be in the 6-8 wins range. While our schedule is lighter, we’ve only won 10+ games a few times in history and now we’re starting 20 new players, new coaches, new offensive system…seems more realistic to win 6-8 games.
C’mon Creek! Moderation and temperance is for the faint of heart! Let’s dream until we get slows in the face by reality.
There are some who would only be hoping for 8 wins (a diehard Riley era apologist), with little to no expectation beyond that. I’d rather be sorely disappointed at 7 wins than be saying aw shucks we almost got our 8 wins.
I don’t want to return the days of being happy with 7 wins.
*Slapped in the face
Bray was a stability hire, BG is a stability QB. Seems pretty simple.
I’d be thrilled for BG if he comes out ahead in the race after his commitment to the program the past half-decade. You have to wonder if there was NIL involved with the other two transfer guys and if they would bolt elsewhere.
Well they were winning 8+ games in the pac so I think that’s very achievable with the schedule. The pac was one of the best conferences during that time as well as having the top QBs in it.
Preseasaon chatter on Boise State, left out of preseason top 25::
Boise State
The Broncos could also be in the best-of-the-rest mix by season’s end. The defending Mountain West champs closed strong in 2023 and have a legit superstar in camp in the person of RB Ashton Jeanty, who rushed for 1,347 yards and added 569 receiving yard last year and has most of his offensive line returning. The offense got further boosted with the addition of QB Malachi Nelson from Southern California, a rare elite recruit to play on the team’s distinguished blue turf. The defense boasts standout DL Ahmed Hassanein and LB Andrew Simpson and should again be stingy.”
UO will be Beavers only pre season ranked fie, #3 in coaches:
https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/football/ncaaf/coaches-poll/2024-2025/2024-08-05
That’s why they play them…
“Losers
Group of Five
There are zero teams from the Group of Five in the Top 25 and only one team, Memphis, among the top 30 vote-getters. To have a small number isn’t that strange: No. 23 Tulane was the only Group of Five team in last year’s preseason poll and there were three in the 2022 and 2021 polls. But this marks the first preseason Coaches Poll without a team from a non-major conference since 2014. Voters didn’t have a Group of Five team in the final ranking of last season, perhaps indicating a trend among coaches on the panel to lean completely toward the new Power Four.”
Mhver now saying partial conference membership is possible for P2 in Big12, definitely football and maybe OSU baseball.
Could all just be made up, though.
I think it is still clickbait for Drake Toll. Lots of speculation on a daily basis.
He’s not making any money on it, though. No blue check. He doesn’t get a ton of views or engagement. The only plausible explanation I’ve seen is that he’s helping B12 positioning in negotiations somehow.
If mitigating travel costs for all parties means only football has to travel (on charters) to the East/West Coast, it works for any Conference. It’s what Hawai’i does with the Big West. Hawai’i and travel costs are probably why we didn’t join the Big West, instead of the WCC… that and Portland and Zags lessen costs that much more.
But if it’s being discussed with one party, it’s probably being discussed with all they’re talking to where this would be necessary.
Btw… check out our new digs.
https://wccsports.com/
They have our games listed on the schedule, but don’t have our logo on the site!
Logo is shown on the WCC page for womens basketball, just not the general page.
https://wccsports.com/sports/wbball
I think baseball has to play an independent schedule (officially). What conference all your sports compete in is determined by where your hoops teams are placed. If the conference offers the sport, then you play against the conference. If not, you can become an affiliate of another conference. I think we got a waiver from the NCAA to be independent in baseball. Anyone know the details on that?
The Pac 12 can live on as a conference without the football teams being a part of it, as well. We could pick up a bunch of WCC and Big West schools for Olympic sports. With the streaming future ahead, size plus quality plus making travel sense is possible in such a conference. We could have San Diego and UCSD, Santa Barbara and Irvine, Davis and St Mary’s, OSU and Portland, and Wazzu and Zags. I think a conference like that could make a lot of noise in a lot of sports, once it’s elevated to PAC branding and has its own production capabilities… and some money for the conference to invest in their new partners.
…and we can still outsource the network’s production capabilities for further revenues.
Are you emailing these ideas to OSU?
I’m also seeing esports appear on conference web pages. The Mountain West is now sponsoring it.
Picking up schools like those four UC schools would be a boon to subscription numbers, even if they’re indifferent to Olympic sports. Irvine is drawing top talent by giving out full rides for esports.
Can confirm the B12 (schools) want OSU (and likely WSU), per a source inside OSU. However, the conf administrators were the ones balking. If ESPN is pushing, (for fear of “L” word) could speed it all up.
Sidd finch x
If they’re that afraid, then we will take the ESPN portion of the Big XIIIIII tv deal (about 60%).
In return, we will become affiliate members in football, wrestling, and gymnastics. And the rest of our sports would be housed in the newly formed Pac 10 I outlined above. In addition, lawsuits disappear.
Then from here on out, they leave us alone, and we’ll do the same.
Sidd Finch is still around?
And as reliable as ever???
I like it. Those are solid institutions too.
Wrangle the same deal for SDSU and UNLV (football affiliates only), and we can add their Olympics… and pay the MWC for two schools.
The Big XIIIIII gains four major markets for football and has a working relationship with what could be a premier conference for Olympics.
…and esports…the next revenue market.
Oh… and we can produce their third-tier content for distribution through a streaming partner.
Alternatively, if we’re just going to rebuild the Pac, gathering these schools like this would work.
Then we could grab four teams from the Central zone, like UNT, Tulane, UTSA, and probably add CSU. Three major schools and a wealthy private in four major markets. But we all form a football-only conference, and those schools create their own Olympic conference in their zone, which we would produce for them.
6′ 1″ 285 lb DL Colins described as twitchy, quick, like former DL Hodgins:
“Added coach Trent Bray: “I think he’ll be very similar to what Hodgins was a year ago. He’s got that that twitchiness, that athleticism inside, which I think can give inside guys’ trouble, especially in pass protection.”
Multiple Beavers have used the word “twitchy” to describe Collins’ ability.
“Thomas is very twitchy,” defensive coordinator Keith Heyward said. “Kind of hard to block. I see him as a guy, when he gets vertical and he’s in that attack style and getting vertical, he’s hard to block when he when he’s getting off the ball. That’s the best way I would describe him.”
“TC is fast, quick,” defensive back Jaden Robinson said. “He reminds me of Hodge a little bit. He just brings that speed and quickness to the line for us.”
Let’s hope so.
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/thomas-collins-football-journey-from-sweden-to-oregon-state-could-turn-him-into-isaac-hodgins-20.html
He’s the second fastest Swede reported this week.
I hope he’s more like Paea than Hodgins…
Too much to ask? Probably.
Angry’s favorite OSU QB of all time, Jake Luton, was signed to the Panthers practice squad. It’s crazy how he has carved out a pretty good career as a back up.
Oregon just keeps getting better and better. They now have the highest overall points in the Nation, in recruiting average per player at 94.38 and they now three 5 star commits according to the 247 site. This is all done with only 15 total commitments too, when everyone else in the top 10 has 20+ commitments. This couldn’t happen without the current college football rule changes with NIL, paying players directly without a salary cap. Now most pundits are saying the d*cks are on their way to a Natty. They really do have the best team that money can buy. It’s rumored that Uncle Phil wants a National Championship before he dies, and that he going all in now that he’s near the end of his life. It’s painful to see this as the Beavers are barely hanging onto whatever they have left as a football program. This is one among the many reasons why OSU should refuse to play them in football.
Yeah, he apparently said something about Nike and its athletes needing to go all in this year (Olympics and more) and “rededicate themselves to winning.” Rumors sre Ohio State and UO collectives are budgeting about $23M for NIL this year.
OSU has beat teams with better athletes than it gad before (USC and others, including UO), but not under their current conditions. They matched up well and had a good blend of experience and playmakers (Rodgers bros, Matt Moore, Sammy Straughter, etc.)
OLive take on game 3:
“An Oregon win would mean:
Most likely a 3-0 start to the season heading into the first bye week. It would also show how big a gap there is between the program, which have moved in polar opposite directions over the past two years.
An Oregon loss would mean:
An outcome the Ducks will never hear the end of. Losing in Corvallis in 2022 was bad enough, but after moving to the Big Ten and opening the season as a College Football Playoff contender, losing to the in-state rival left behind by conference realignment with a ravaged roster would be devastating.”
Such poor writing and context of 2022 victory ignored…
If Oregon wins, they should be proud they did it with player development and not buying a championship.
Bg beat them once, he can do it again
OLive, Bill Oram in particular, is really starting to make fun of OSU. Some of it warranted (“Best college town in the PAC”)but generally has a shitty “kick ’em while they’re down” vibe to me.
https://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/2024/08/bill-orams-big-10-the-best-college-town-in-the-pac-2-rivalry-reverie-and-sticking-it-out-in-the-transfer-era.html
Just stick to the Trib.
The rest are noise.
Thanks for the reminder. I had quit checking them. Here’s a pretty fair take on clueless Smith:
https://www.portlandtribune.com/opinion/evanson-maybe-some-football-coaches-really-are-clueless/article_3310c07b-8ab9-5302-ae7b-810fec64debd.html
Same here, I’d stopped checking the Trib as well.
BTW, Eggers occasionally puts out some good stuff on Beavs too. A piece on DeVan in mid July and one about Steve Johnson and plans for a basketball collective…….
https://www.kerryeggers.com/stories
Ahh, the good ol days before NIL, when college sports had integrity!
“By now 6-9 and a svelte 180 pounds, Johnson had a great senior season at San Gorgonio, averaging 25 points and 11 rebounds. Still, he wasn’t highly recruited. OSU assistant coach Jimmy Anderson was recruiting Polee when he discovered the skinny center who was his teammate.
Six schools offered scholarships, several of them including Polee as a package deal.
“It came down to Oregon State and Texas,” Johnson says. “Texas offered me and Phil everything — cars, money.”
Miller offered nothing but a system built around a center.
“When he came down (to San Gorgonio), Ralph was sitting in my coach’s office,” Johnson recalls. “He was looking at my stats. He looked up and said, ‘These are good stats. We are recruiting six big men; you are one of them.’ ”
Johnson decided on Oregon State. (Polee also signed with the Beavers but had back problems and never played beyond JC ball in college). It was a heck of a good decision. Fully grown to 6-10 and 235 pounds by the time he was a senior, Johnson was a three-time All-Pac-10 selection and Pac-10 Player of the Year and a consensus All-American in 1980-81, when he shot .746 from the field, an NCAA record that stood for 36 years.”
Not to offend anyone, but I always thought Smith was on the spectrum. Asperger’s maybe? I think the same thing about Jim Harbaugh. Great coaches, but something is off socially.
Assburgers
lol
Did Julian retire?
I think he and Tongue have both been at practice working out and rehabbing on the side.
Funny, FIU sold their stadium naming rights to Pitbull.
It will be Pitbull stadium for the next 5 years, at a little over $1m per year.
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1820831234827636877?t=Azg4xo4wCGaMhZVrdAbqnQ&s=19
Saw a blurb on a TV that the Howard University coach was apparently talking about selling about a 1/3 share of the basketball team(?) and estimated it could bring in $100M?
Here’s more info: “This basketball coach wants to sell his program for $100 million. Seriously. As part of a wide-ranging proposal that would be the first of its kind in college athletics, Howard’s Kenny Blakeney is seeking investors for a 33 percent stake in the Bison.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/08/02/howard-basketball-private-equity/
I’m sure it would be invested on an annual basis for 10+ years. And PE would promote the hell out of it, in order to enjoy bigger returns.
Odds that the returns would be any good are pretty low. There’s not an established market for that kind of thing yet. There’s a reason PE is looking at the power conferences and not the small ones.
You have to think about where it’s located and who they promote it to.
Bigger returns don’t necessarily mean they have to come from the program. It could be a loss leader. But with that kind of money, it could make a splash and eventual returns.
Per practice reports on the first day of full pads (summarizing for those that don’t have access):
Offense continues to improve and all 3 QB’s had good days. BG continuing to play well and is best at getting ball down the field (I know some may be surprised at that but I’m not, go watch BG HS film and his various highlights when he’s been able to make it happen the last 2 seasons).
Walker, Noga, Clemons, Wells, Reddicks solidifying the WR rotation and all made plays.
Jensen and Alfieri climbing the TE depth chart behind Terry and Caulfield (who was banged up today).
Jake Reichle and Salahadin Allah getting reps with the 2’s.
Kyfense Hynson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SUgLCImRxI=
BG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i6YG0lWSgU
Noga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj78JaJ5aQ0
Starck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1674s_TFrbs
Thanks for the updates and collected links, I appreyour posts.
I think that WR group can be good, and just needs reps. It’s a bigger group overall, some with good+ speed, and 5′ 8″/9″ Zachary Card maybe with special quickness snd pretty good deep speed? I think they’ll surprise if the QBs can go through their progressions quickly.
*appreciate your
Home with COVID, so spare time on hand. Apologies for long post. Given the number of changes in the WR and that 4-5 seem be separating themselves, I thought I’d compile some information on several of them in one place, including ranking comments and other notes I’d seen:
Darrius Clemons, 6’3” 211 lbs, Jr. Just physically, a different WR than OSU has had in some time. Isiah Hodgins was listed as 6’4″ 209 lbs on OSU website, 6’3″ 200 on NY Giants…so many physical attributes are likely exaggerated a bit, but Clemons should stand out compared to recent players.
David Wells, 6’ 1” 178 lbs, R-Fr. Angry’s Comments: There’s really nothing wrong with his game. All around solid looking player with good hands. Should be a very good special teams player at worst, but possibly work into the WR rotation. A guy like this is tough. Nothing stands out either way other than his solid hands, so maybe put him on punt returns/ST and let him work his way up.
Trent Walker, 6’2” 194 lbs R-Jr. NOTE: Walker said in an interview the other day he worked on his speed this off season and hit 20.9 mph in practice recently. Not Brandin Cooks, but pretty good!
Taz Reddicks 5’ 11” 192 lbs ,R-Fr. Angry’s Comments: Solid all around player. He seems to make the plays he should and nothing more. I’d say he doesn’t stand out as excelling at any one skill but also doesn’t stand out as having any flaws in his game. I question the 6’1 height…he doesn’t look or play that tall (unless all the DBs he’s facing are tall).
Jeremiah Noga, 6’2” 187 lbs, R-Jr
Montrell Hatten – 5’ 11” 215 R-Fr. Angry’s comments: Why is Hatten at 3-star at the recruiting sites? He’s at worst a 4-star, and maybe a 5-star. This is a clear NFL caliber player. He can get open with ease and make every catch, good speed, love how he cradles the ball into his body using hands. Looks like a taller Branden Cooks and even looks a bit like Jerry Rice. Come on. 3-star!?
Zac Card 5’ 9” R-Fr. Angry’s comments: really like this guy. Not the flashiest recruit, but I see a guy with a lot of heart. Someone who will make the tough catch or tackle (depending where he ultimately lands) and fire up the team. He plays with a chip on his shoulder, and it somehow shows on film. I love guys like this. They eventually become team captains and great leaders. He’s fairly rated as a mid-upper 3-star, but guys who play intense like this are always better than the sum of their parts and could outperform. The same goes for McCoy. Card reminds me of a faster Wayne Chrebet.
Welcome Jade Carey home tomorrow night at 6:00 in Parker plaza. Be great to see a huge crowd to greet our very own gold medalist
OSU men’s soccer #4 in preseason poll:
“Coming off its best finish in school history, there are high expectations for Oregon State men’s soccer heading into the 2024 season.
The Beavers earned their highest placing in the coaches preseason poll, landing at No. 4. The previous high was No. 5 in 2022.
The top three teams are Clemson, Notre Dame and West Virginia.
Oregon State made a run last season to College Cup, where the Beavers lost in the national semifinals to Notre Dame.
The Beavers, playing for second-year coach Greg Dalby, open the 2024 season August 22 against UC Irvine in Corvallis. OSU plays two exhibition games prior to the opener, facing No. 22 Portland and No. 23 Seattle.”
Now we’re a gymnastics AND soccer school…
Don’t forget badminton!
Or was it racquetball?
What happened to bass fishing?
Pretty sure it’s about Collegiate World Championships in Formula Racing and Design.
Oh you’re right it might be racquetball. Whatever it is, we’re that school also.
Loyola Marymount and Portland are great teams. A conference championship isn’t a given.
NCAA hits former Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh with suspension, show-cause for recruiting violations
“Jim Harbaugh, the former Michigan football head coach who led the Wolverines to the 2023 national championship, has been suspended for one year and hit with a four-year show-cause order by the NCAA after he was found to have demonstrated both “unethical conduct” and a failure to promote “an atmosphere of compliance” as it pertains to an investigation into impermissible recruiting during a COVID-19 dead period in 2021.
…
There’s also now more specifics about the alleged wrongdoings by Harbaugh, who was charged with a Level I violation for “misleading investigators.” The NCAA says he changed his story. (He lied?!?)
…
During the investigation in this case, Harbaugh denied meeting with the two prospects,” the report reads. “Initially, he told Michigan and the enforcement staff that he had no recollection of meeting either prospect or their fathers.
“In a subsequent interview he went further, unequivocally disputing that either meeting happened. Despite his denials, the weight of the factual information—including statements from the prospects, their fathers, and other football staff members, as well as documentation such as receipts and expense reports—demonstrates that Harbaugh was physically present and engaged in these meetings.
…
The show-cause order will run effective immediately, from Aug. 7, 2024 through Aug. 6, 2028. Should he leave his current position as head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers and return to the college ranks in any capacity during this specified window, Harbaugh would be suspended for the first season he returned.”
The NCAA, responsive AND effective ….
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2024/08/07/jim-harbaugh-ncaa-suspension-show-cause/74705848007/
Thanks for sharing ObjCritic. So basically he cheated then moved on before the hammer dropped and is now getting paid by the NFL. Seems like all NCAA actions are a day late and dollar short.
At least they beat the huskies!
He learned from chip
Was Chip going to get in trouble?
Not surprised, just don’t recall. Seemed nothing meaningfully punitive came of the whole Willy saga….
He had a 18 month show cause that would’ve required any school wanting to hire him to go in front of the infractions committee to determine eligibility/etc. So basically no school would’ve found that worth it (especially at the time) and he got to come back to UCLA after absolutely tanking in the NFL no problemo cause that was years after.
Pete Carroll?
Wow the NCAA is really flexing their muscles in this one. Wait until the guy wins a national championship, gets a big NFL payday and then you bring the punishment. All of this was in process last year but they didn’t have the guts to just do it mid season.
It is actually a worse look to do this now. How about looking into Oregon cheating or any number of SEC programs cheating and take aggressive action.
Beavs land short stop xfer from UW. Does Trosky get hosed again?
Arquette played mostly 2B at UW if I remember correctly. He could’ve been brought in to play SS, but either way, it’ll most likely be him and Trosky as middle infielders.
I’ve seen posts saying SS and 2nd. Do think he played the 2 bag more as you’re suggesting.
“OSU won a recruiting battle over Mississippi State for Arquette, considered by Baseball America as the top available transfer in the portal this summer.
As a sophomore, Arquette hit .322, with 12 home runs, 14 doubles and 36 runs batted in. The 6-foot-4 Arquette, who grew up in Kailua, Hawaii, can play shortstop or second base. Arquette was all-Pac-12 this past season, as well as one of nine players to make the all-defensive team.
Arquette played this summer for the Chatham Anglers of the Cape Cod Baseball League, where he made the all-star team.
Future Star Series considers Arquette No. 12 among college baseball prospects for the 2025 MLB draft. The Beavers could have two MLB first round draft picks among their infielders next season in Arquette and third baseman Trent Caraway.”
I hope they get a good turnout for the Jade Carey welcome home thing tonight. I imagine she could have stayed in Paris, flown home to Arizona, booked some talk show appearancesor just hung out in Europe for a few more weeks (that’s what I would have done). But coming back to Corvallis while the Olympics are still going on and there is still great interest is such a cool thing for her to do. Its not like the gymnastics program is already prepping for next season or school is about to start.
Heck, she probably actually goes to class and doesn’t do everything on-line like most big time athletes.
At rzlly:
“Olympic gold medalist Jade Carey announces she’ll return to Oregon State to compete for her senior season
Less than 24 hours after returning from the 2024 Olympics in Paris, Oregon State’s Jade Carey made a campus to celebrate her multiple medal feat.
There was that, for some 1,000 people attending the celebration. But Carey brought down the house by breaking some news.
“I’m thrilled to announce that I’m committed to the 2025 season,” Carey told the crowd. “I look forward to continuing to compete, pushing my limits and striving for excellence with best team by my side.”
Less than 24 hours after returning from the 2024 Olympics in Paris, Oregon State’s Jade Carey made a campus to celebrate her multiple medal feat.
There was that, for some 1,000 people attending the celebration. But Carey brought down the house by breaking some news.
“I’m thrilled to announce that I’m committed to the 2025 season,” Carey told the crowd. “I look forward to continuing to compete, pushing my limits and striving for excellence with best team by my side.”
You “I just knew that this was the best place for me. I’m super happy here,” Carey said. “My coaches are the best people for me. They take care of me in and outside the gym.”
What was Carey’s favorite moment in Paris?
“I think I’ve got to say winning team gold,” she said, which set off a loud crowd roar.
Carey spoke for about 10 minutes, then was whisked away with a police escort. But many of her words made it clear Beaver fans were part of her Olympics journey, which Brian Carey echoed.
“It takes a village to get it done,” Brian Carey said.”
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/olympic-gold-medalist-jade-carey-announces-shell-return-to-oregon-state-to-compete-for-her-senior-season.html
Are we sure OSU didn’t hire Mick Foley as OL coach? Cause I’m getting strong Mick Foley vibes from this guy.
https://youtu.be/WkemYA7VPSY?si=tSamS_aiB93MQ3td
Matt Foley, motivational speaker!
In a van, down by the river.
Coach Dude Love
If I were the school President, I’d tell Carey – if you need a parking spot near campus, take mine. If you need a note for your instructor, I’ve got you. Really, at a time when OSU fans have multiple reasons to feel glum (coach defections, player defections, conference abandonment) – she’s been such a beacon of pride for the school
She’s that truly rare character + performance student athlete OSU with which OSU strives to identify itself.
I can’t believe she returned and did this at this time. I wouldn’t blame her for soaking up the Olympics experience in Paris more fully.
If OSU started doing the “statue” thing, she gets one, Fosbury already has one, Rueck for sure, Casey obviously, who else?
Seth Collins?
Seth Collins is THE all-time angrybeavs hero
Lol.
Ralph Miller with that swisher sweet hanging out of his mouth
It wasn’t a Swisher that’s a cigar, Ralph smoked More 120s, the longest cigarette available!
Simi Kuli
We already have a statue of him, right next to the tooth fairy.
I’m guessing she makes more at OSU than training for the pros year round would pay.
Gymnastics has a pro league?
She makes less than she could at LSU is more the point.
I don’t follow it but from what I understand there is no dedicated pro league but different professional international competitions and of course the world championships. Simone Biles forwent college all together. I imagine that has helped her in her pro/olympic career as it allowed her more time to perfect higher difficulty maneuvers. Where as Jade has spent more time perfecting lower difficulty maneuvers due to the 10 point scoring cap. I think I read Jade got like 300k last year from NIL. Not really sure how competitive Jade would be professionally on the all arounds. Some quick Googling shows the prize pools not being real great for pro events… like 5k for winning the all around.
I think they’re just exhibitions which keep potential Olympians competitively sharp.
Biles is able to forgo college, because she is more focused on the Olympics than school right now, and she has more NIL value as an Olympic champion.
If she wants a college degree, she can now do it comfortably on her own.
The reason Carey came back to Corvallis? OSU’s gymnastic camp is this week and all of the team is helping out. A friend of mine’s kid is attending. How awesome would that be?
I’ve heard of summer football and basketball camps where a pro might slide through at some point during the week, give a brief talk,- but having an Olympic gold medalist help coach you days after she was in Paris? Amazing.
Are you speculating, or is this known fact that she’s helping with camp? That’s awesome if true and deserves a story….
3 to 4 wins? lol. OSU is playing mostly MW teams. you yourself said repeatedly last season that you didn’t want OSU in the MW because they were all “glorified high school teams”. You seriously think OSU will only win 3-4 games if they are playing HS teams? LOL
I think OSU goes 7-5
Glorified high school teams is a silly comment. Division 3 or lower football would be the closest to that. Even then those rosters are made up of top players from lesser high school teams and lesser starters from top teams. Plus the strength training and commitment at the college level is way more than high school. FBS football teams are made up of the best of the best even in the non power conferences.
I didnt say they were HS teams. Angry used that term on numerous occasions last season.
To be fair casuals think that every team except Bama is a glorified high school team
Isn’t Bama that team that needed to convert a 4th and 30-something against the team that got stomped by NMSU the week before?
How bad do you have to be to allow a 4th and 30-something?
Daschel reports on the scrimmage held today:
Bray thought this being the first extended scrimmage of camp, “there weren’t a lot of missed tackles, and that’s encouraging.” The defense made a lot of plays behind the line of scrimmage, and probably would have had a half-dozen sacks if tackling of quarterbacks was allowed.
https://archive.ph/vgICu#selection-383.0-383.276
Straight from the horses mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Qo7McesjU
Thanks for the link, Oob
Isaac Streeter (Portland Tribune) take on the scrimmage:
“Oregon State football opened its scrimmage on Saturday, Aug. 10 up to the families of players and media.
We’re going to do this one first-person style, armed with a yellow legal pad and a pen — both of which were stolen off my dads desk the last time I visited. This is everything I took in and wrote down.
‘Everything is a battle:’ First-year head coach Bray, Oregon State ready for 2024 football fall camp
The quarterbacks are separating themselves
Head coach Trent Bray said the complete opposite when he addressed the media after the scrimmage, but that’s kind of what he has to do with three weeks until Idaho State. Bray said that the competition is wide open and he has no timeline on naming a starter. At this point my betting odds are on a starting quarterback not being named until maybe T-minus 24 hours prior to kickoff of week one.
Oregon State football 2024 positional previews: Quarterback
That being said, Gevani McCoy got the first reps with the projected first team. He only manned two drives that I saw, although there’s always a chance I missed one. Both ended in field goals and he seemed to operate the offense well enough, but didn’t make any massively stunning plays. However the point remains: he got reps with the first team and he played the least to prevent a freak accident.
It’s a bit of a victory lap to me and if you want to chalk it up to bias, be my guest. My claim to fame since getting this job was a Babe Ruth-esque shot-calling that he’d be a transfer portal option before he even hit the portal. I’m sure my editor is sick of me bringing it up (Editor’s note: he is).
Right now, I think he’s the odds-on favorite to be the starter week one — but week one is as far as I’ll go on that prediction.
Gulbranson ran the twos, as well as a drive that featured a combination of ones and twos, most notably with adjustments to the offensive line to get left guard Josh Gray reps at center. Gray likely won’t play the spot in a live game baring an injury to Colorado-transfer Van Wells, but offensive line coach Kyle DeVan said it’s been a point of emphasis to get him cross-training at the spot as his NFL projection from scouts is at guard or center.
Gabarri Johnson ran twos and threes. He was arguably the most impressive, being the only of the trio in the hunt for the starting job to lead a touchdown drive. As I’ve previously written, this kid can flat out move. I wouldn’t ever compare someone to Kyler Murray because it’s unfair to do, but there are shades of it with how he can maneuver the pocket and the open field.
Speaking of touchdown drives, the first guy to lead a touchdown drive was… freshman Kallen Gutridge? Yep, he hit what looked to be about a 35-yard strike to tight end Carson Kolb for the score. Was it a busted play by the defense? Yes. But the Wilsonville-product did it anyways. He’s probably the fifth quarterback on this roster and if he sees playing time, he’s either an absolute world-beater or something has gone horribly wrong, but it was my first look at him in an 11-on-11 sequence and he came away with points.
Oregon State football 2024 positional preview: Wide receivers
Dominic Montiel and Jake Sanders didn’t get any reps.
Front seven rotating free and easy
It’s a front 14 for this defense, not a front seven to put it plainly. It looked like a hockey line shift, bringing in the next group to spell the first one. The lines between first team and second team are very blurred with the unit, but Bray said it’s about getting fresh bodies on the field and not about down and distance personnel.
Young running backs impressing
In another act of asset protection, projected starting running backs Jam Griffin and Anthony Hankerson only played the first handful of series. They’re players who essentially get in a car crash every time they’re brought down, so it makes sense.
In their stead was a heavy dose of Jake Riechle as well as freshman Cornell Hatcher Jr. and Salahadin Allah. Allah in particular was named a standout by Griffin from his post-scrimmage press availability.
Bray also commented on the run game, saying it was the thing that stuck out the most to him from the scrimmage. While it’s been talked about at length that the offense is expected to be more spread out for the passing game, their strength may still be the ground game as it was under Jonathan Smith.
Meet Oregon State football’s ‘Tank’ in offensive lineman Gerad Christian-Lichtenhan
Exodus Ayers
I couldn’t think of a better subhead, but this one is about the freshman defensive back. He exclusively worked with the twos on defense, but turned the head of senior cornerback Jaden Robinson who called Ayers one of the biggest standouts on defense in his opinion.
While it was Gutridge to lead the first offensive touchdown, the defense got on the board with a scoop-and-score touchdown courtesy of Ayers. David Wells Jr. caught a pass in front of the sticks after beating Ayers off the line, but the freshman got the last laugh when the ball popped out of Wells Jr.’s hands and Ayers took it to the house for six.
In defensive back play unrelated to Ayers, safety Jaydin Young found himself in the backfield on several occasions to stuff the run.
Special teams are certainly special
The first three scores of the game by the offense came from kicker Everett Hayes, who converted successfully on his three field goal attempts. The most impressive of which was a strike from 51 yards out. He’s in line to be the starting kicker and definitely looked the part.
Punter Josh Green was also booming punts. I didn’t have a stopwatch on me to try and track hang times and I can’t ever count the distances of punts properly, but Green could certainly flip the field in his handful of attempts.”
https://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/notebook-oregon-state-footballs-first-open-scrimmage-of-2024/article_17da1414-5752-11ef-bac4-039c778f612d.html#tncms-source=article-nav-next
Exodus Ayers just likes scoring touchdowns, as does Kallen Gutridge.
I like.
The other P2 team’s scrimmage summary:
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2024/aug/10/in-wsus-first-fall-camp-scrimmage-qbs-make-their-c/
Wazzu might be the team that sneaks into the CFP.
It would be awesome if both the Cougs and Boise were undefeated or one loss teams heading into our games with them at the end of the season.
Every game on Wazzu’s schedule is winnable. For us and Boise that’s not the case.
They have UW, OSU, Boise and Fresno all on the road.
Good luck with that. I wouldn’t say their schedule is any easier than the Beavs
They’re winnable games.
Oregon isn’t winnable with new QBs starting for both teams. You can delude yourself with hope but hope isn’t a strategy.
This the year your team finally get its “natty”?
Sounds like Hole still lives rent free in your head.
Or there’s a hole in your head. Same diff
I’m not the one sucking their dicks.
Weird how you keep thinking about dicks
Boise State doesn’t look like an easy win this year…could be very challenging with their QBs, #1 RB, and defense.
No one said it’s easy, just winnable.
Didn’t BSU lose their top qb to the portal? There’s a lot of teams in the same situation as the Beavs. Reloading with portal players and underclassmen.
Boise brings back their whole Defense, one of the best RB’s in the country in Jeanty and Malachi Nelson 5-star QB from USC. They are gonna be tough to beat, especially on the smurf turf.
Plus, don’t they still have that big mobile QB?
Taylen Green, he transferred to Arkansas (talked to Gundy at least) as is likely to be their starter.
Who said they were an easy win? Boise is always a tough team to beat let alone AT Boise
Bazzana is batting .156
So he is down under the Mendoza line?
It’s a long way back to Driveline for him to figure it out.
Matt Boyd called up by the Guardians to start tomorrow night , it been a while. Go Matty
Sounds like the QB situation is shaking out as expected. BG is the experienced one, McCoy is solid, but not spectacular. GJ flashes potential, but isn’t necessarily ready to be the starter. Interesting that McCoy seems to have passed BG when the buzz last week was all about BG.
Let’s hope the OL buzz is more than just good vibes.
Could be a two-QB situation.
We did it with some success last year. And it keeps everyone engaged. With the D changing personnel so often to keep them fresh, why not do the same on O? Slightly different packages with different players who have fresh legs can put defenses on their heels. We did it situatuationally with Coletto, as well.
Why not throw the book at defenses?
Right? Johnson could play the Colletto-type role, with more shiftiness.
“And it keeps everyone engaged.”
This is a great, underrepresented aspect….
Sounds like almost every play is out of shotgun now? At least in the few interviews I’ve heard.
Was looking at the single game Civil War tix that went on sale today. Only ones left at this point are sidelines, with low price point around $130 + $15 add-on fee.
So I guess they’re planning to gouge oregon fans and just sell out to make some extra cash rather than price the game like a typical Mountain West team would price it.
S-Jax son has been moved to a 3*. Good season could see that get bumped up again. Hope the Beavs can be that front runner regardless of what stars might end up being.
Between his dad and his teammate, we should have as good a chance as any
The realignment rumor mill “has value” for WSU & OSU, per @pac12 commissioner Teresa Gould
Wilmer x….
Basically all she is saying is “if people are still talking about us it’s a good thing.” No real offers or solutions yet.
“Oregon State is definitely more than a university to me. I really created a family here. The environment is something really special, and something of my wildest dreams,” Carey said. “I’ve met so many people, made so many connections, and have seen how much this this town cares.
“It really means a lot to me.” Jade Carey on her decision to return to The School!
https://archive.ph/OilZL#selection-329.0-333.30
Future Beaver HOF’er….
She should be induced before she graduates.
Inducted*
Name a building after her
Name a building after her
Well, she did say that she had ‘created a family here’, so you might have had it right the first time. She is a great gymnist and I enjoyed watching her in the Olympics as she went to work with quite a bit of poise.
“Rumor roundup: ACC has reached out to several G5 and the Pac2 schools to build a contingency plan to backfill expected defections. Pac2 prefers B12 invite and continues to apply legal pressure on a network to make that a reality. “
Mvher x
P2 applying legal pressure on ESPN makes me happy
If any of was only true…..
right, that Gould article from Wilner had some quote from her talking about how frustrating the constant rumors are, because it pulls time away from her duties while she fields questions about the rumors and has to occasionally put fires out that don’t need to exist.
It’s still publicity.
I think that’s what the tweet from Wilner means.
OFFENSE
– The biggest takeaway from today about the offense was that they were underwhelming, to put it mildly. They couldn’t get much going against the defense during the team period portion of practice.
– Ben Gulbranson orchestrated the best drive that the offense had in all of practice today as he led the first-team offense down the field for a touchdown. Gulbranson showcased both his legs and arm on the drive connecting with…
…
DEFENSE
I would describe the defense we saw Tuesday as opportunistic. It was far from a complete showing, I didn’t think the run defense was especially sound, but a struggling offensive unit gave the defense plenty of opportunities to splash, and they did.
– It’s apparent this defense trusts the speed it has. The unit had no problem playing all 11 defenders within 10 yards of the LOS on multiple occasions, daring the…”
https://oregonstate.rivals.com/news/oregon-state-fall-camp-nuggets-day-12-explosive-plays-elude-offense
It’s funny, on the days when sedge guys say “underwhelming” the blitz practice report is “taking strides!” and vice versa.
Real “eye of the beholder” situation.
Ultimately, I love that we get some kind of information out of the media availability at practice, but take it with a grain of salt.
Most alarming news of the day is Hankerson in a boot and really hoping that he just tweaked an ankle in practice on Monday.
Yeah, the “eye of the beholder ” is spot on. Plus there’s context to consider that may not be discussed by the author. It also occurs to me coaches can learn a lot from “bad days” that informs their work going forward.
I’d rather see the defense slightly ahead.
I really enjoy Gunderson’s directness. He’s very plain with reporters without being rude.
Yeah, I loved his reaction when Daschel asked him about the QB’s and how he thought that Gabarri has earned reps with the 1’s based on what he saw in the scrimmage.
“Well, that’s your opinion, I’m the coach, and I’m telling you”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVSHVe3qdAE
Daschel is opining to the coaches on which unit players should running with? How weird.
That’s a fantastic reply. Having seen a coach stand up to the media in a while. How refreshing.
Matt Boyd gives the Indians 5-1/3 innings giving up 1 run with 6 strikeouts. No decision but Cleveland does get the win, 2-1.
This is your annual reminder that practice reports have absolutely no correlation to game performance
New Pac-12 Commissioner Says Washington State, Oregon State Are Getting GREAT Exposure in Expansion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K6XKU_VqlA
While this matters little, it’s nice to see SOME modicum of shame and awareness nycHarbaugh and M:
At his first media availability since the Wolverines began fall camp on July 31, first-year head coach Sherrone Moore announced that his predecessor would not be able to make it, instead deciding to stay on the West Coast with his current team, the Los Angeles Chargers.
“Yesterday he called me and told me he didn’t feel he could leave his team in true Coach Harbaugh fashion and wanted to be in the fox hole with his team, not make it look like he’s taking a deep long bow,” Moore said. “So he’s not going to make it for the game, but we will have some of our (former players) who will be there and then Jack and Jackie Harbaugh are going to take his place, so super excited about that.
The news was only public for a week ? it first gained traction after athletic director Warde Manuel announced the decision on the “1 Star Recruits” podcast ? and drew some pushback given the optics behind the timing of it all.
Just a few days earlier, the Division I committee of investigation released its 48-page report to the NCAA which detailed a series of alleged improprieties committed by Harbaugh, including his Level I offense for misleading investigators and ultimately punished him with a four-year show cause penalty and one-year suspension should he ever want to return to collegiate coaching.”
Quote from Gundy (via Daschel on Twitter)
Can’t say I’m surprised, given how Smith/Lindgren were focused on Chiles development last year and our lack of experience at the position.
This feels like a .500 team to me, going into the season.
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Oregon State OC Ryan Gunderson says there’s been little separation between the 3 candidates for starting quarterback.
“It’s starting to clear up a little bit, but then the next day happens, and you’re like, Oh, we’re back where we started.”
Anybody have a working (non-paywall) link to this one?
Makes it sound like Gundy is going up-tempo with the offense, much more-so than OSU under Smith/Lindgren.
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/out-with-the-turtle-in-with-the-rabbit-oregon-state-looks-to-rev-up-its-offensive-pace-of-play.html
https://archive.ph/dZf8Y
Gunderson, “…You’ve got to judge the pace of the game, the way you’re playing, the way your defense is playing, the way the other team’s feeling.”
i don’t know what i’m doing wrong, but I tried to pull up the same article using that site and it returned nothing for me
thank you
Should be able to plug original paywall site into the red box here:
https://archive.ph/
Works for me, although sometimes slow to load, hope that helps.
Sounds like Chip Kelly there. Use speed as a weapon, when you can.
On the flip side, that could mean more time on the field for our defense if it leads to quick 3 and outs.
Seems to me the problem could be so many new guys learning to play fast, but that’s what practice is for, as Gundy said.
I’m wary of moving to the hurry up. It’s not new, defenses have adjusted.
It tends to put your defense on the field a lot more. Not sure our defense has the depth for that.
If you don’t do the hurry up well (i.e. put a ton of points on the board), it tends to be a net negative.
Hopefully there is an emphasis on running the ball and screens.
Shades of Nolan vs. Noyer!
“Oregon State OC Ryan Gunderson says there’s been little separation between the 3 candidates for starting quarterback.”
That could be disappointing given how long Gulbranson’s been around at OSU, that McCoy has very good lower division success, and Johnson one redshirt year at a D1 school with a spread(?) offense, AND they’re all starting with a clean slate with new coaches.
Or, it could just be coachspeak to try and keep players engaged and competing.
If they had to play tomorrow, I would think Gulbranson starts, Johnson is a utility weapon like Colletto. If Gulbranson is injured or just can’t generate drives or is throwing too many INTs, McCoy starts, Johnson is a utility weapon like Colletto….
Wilson Weber’s team won the Cape Cod League, and Weber himself was the league MVP of the playoffs.
https://x.com/OfficialCCBL/status/1823170944870851046
The Portland Trailblazers announced today they are leaving Root sports and will be broacasting the upcoming season in a way that will make them much more accessible to the entire Blazers fan population, to be announced soon.
Couple that with a Blazers insider, Sean Highkin, reporting it will be an over the air broadcasting partner, you have to think the CW could be in play for carrying the Blazers too.
Would be great to have the CW’s local portfolio include both the Beavs and Blazers. That $50 antenna I bought last year is looking like a great investment.
If anybody is looking for a good antenna, the Mohu Leaf amplified antenna works really well for me. It uses an extra cinnection to your TVs USB port to amplify it’s range. Every other non-amplified antenna I’ve tried has been pure garbage and never picked up the signals at the distances they advertised.
https://x.com/highkin/status/1823852999737008433?t=ViOJqtxnvV74BljRtH-dKw&s=19
Golly!
Who are they going to find to produce their games for regional broadcasts?
CORVALLIS — Coach Trent Bray has said the chase for the Oregon State Beavers’ starting quarterback job is so close, it “will go right up to the end” of preseason camp.
Offensive coordinator Ryan Gunderson has said the competition is so fierce, he’d almost prefer that someone “start separating” themself in the three-man race.
And while Ben Gulbranson, the veteran, shined early in camp and Gevani McCoy, the star transfer from FCS, has split time with the first-team offense, it’s Gabarri Johnson, the player with perhaps the most upside, that seems to be gaining steam in the battle to replace DJ Uiagalelei.
After turning heads — and drawing praise from coaches — during the Beavers’ weekend scrimmage, Johnson had perhaps his best practice of preseason camp on Wednesday, when he spent the majority of the 100-minute workout running the second-team offense at Reser Stadium.
“I think I got the ball out of my hands pretty good and didn’t really take any dumb sacks,” Johnson said, sizing up his performance. “So I think that was the biggest part that made my day good.”
How good?
“One of the best,” Johnson said.
One good day of camp does win a quarterback competition, of course, but becoming evident that Johnson is trending upward. After missing most of the spring with an injury following his transfer from Missouri, Johnson has been playing catch up with Gulbranson and McCoy, who own a combined 32 career college starts. And Johnson seems to be leveling the playing field.
He tossed a memorable touchdown pass to freshman Cornell Hatcher Jr. during Saturday’s scrimmage, which came after deked the defense into thinking he was scrambling to the end zone only to flip a short over-the-shoulder touchdown toss instead. Then, on Wednesday, while working extensively with the second team, Johnson used a mix of athleticism, arm talent and intelligence to turn in multiple highlights.
He directed more than one touchdown drive, had a nifty conversion pass to the sideline in a fourth-and-short situation and produced the play of the day in an 11-on-11 drill, scrambling away from pressure up the middle and weaving his way in and out of the defense for a long touchdown run. The jaw-dropping scamper was nullified because of an offensive penalty, but it didn’t matter — Johnson offered a glimpse of what made him a coveted four-start prospect out of high school who chose Missouri over the likes of Washington, Oregon, Arkansas and Utah.
“He’s a really dynamic playmaker,” Gunderson said earlier this week. “Outside of being a dynamic playmaker, just learning how to play within the offense and know when to make the play and not make a play. He’s gotten very good at that, and I’m really happy with his progress so far.”
Johnson said his biggest growth in camp is visible in the mundane. He finally has a handle on Gunderson’s playbook. He’s growing comfortable hitting his check-down target and tossing the ball away when a play implodes. He’s making quicker decisions as he grows accustomed to the speed of the Division I football.
But as much as anything, Johnson says, it’s good, old fashioned “live reps” — work on the field against the Beavers’ defense — that has fueled his mid-camp surge. Perhaps it’s not a coincidence that the self-described “gamer” turned in his best performances during a scrimmage and a practice held at Reser with referees policing play.
“Everybody in our locker room, we call it gamers,” he said. “Obviously, we all know our offense. We know what we can do. But somebody who has talent and can make plays happen; I feel like that’s what I bring to the table.”
At the very least, Johnson looks the part of starting quarterback. He chatted casually into television cameras Wednesday as he met with reporters for the first time since arriving in Corvallis. He carried himself with a calm confidence, smiling and laughing occasionally, as he answered questions. He wore a big gold “G” on a chain around his neck.
To an outsider observer, Johnson oozes the quintessential “it” factor.
Of course, that can only go so far. Gulbranson has guided the Beavers to seven victories and earned a Las Vegas Bowl MVP trophy. McCoy is a Jerry Rice Award winner and Walton Payton Award finalist who threw for nearly 6,000 yards at Idaho. Both own far more game experience than the 5-foot-11 redshirt freshman.
It would seem Johnson’s next step, then, is landing a little run with the first-team offense.
Gulbranson and McCoy have exclusively split time in camp directing the ones. With two weeks left before the Beavers’ regular season opener, Johnson is salivating for his chance to do the same.
“Most definitely,” he said, when asked if wanted a shot running the first-team. “But, for now, just whatever group he puts me with, I’ll ride it out, do what I have to do. And hopefully I’ll be with the ones sooner than later.”
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/as-oregon-state-beavers-quarterback-competition-intensifies-gabarri-johnson-is-trending-upward.html
“5-foot-11”
But damn, that was an encouraging read.
Same as Nike’s QB’s listed height. Height matters less when you’re athletic and can make plays outside the tackles.
I know, hard not to be encouraged by it and hope for more rapid development in the next month….
Oh, and hopefully if he was running with the 2s he was playing against the D 1s?
Oregon State coach Thomas Ford: Beavers are ‘really deep’ at running back, Jam Griffin, Anthony Hankerson are ‘really special’
CORVALLIS — If you thought Damien Martinez’s departure would deliver a debilitating blow to the Oregon State Beavers’ backfield, running backs coach Thomas Ford has a message for you: Think again.
Ford, who spoke following Wednesday’s practice at Reser Stadium, says the Beavers are deep, talented and boast a pair of “really special” players at the top of the depth chart. Here’s a look at what else Ford had to say about his position group:
Thoughts on the Beavers running back room:
“We’re really deep, right? We have six guys on the roster and I feel comfortable playing any of those guys. I think all of them have a specific skill set. But when you really look at kind of our top two guys — Jam Griffin and Anthony Hankerson — those two dudes are really special. They’re all-purpose guys that can do everything we’re asking to do in the offense. Run it. They’re great in pass protection. They’re really good catching the ball out of the backfield and (when lined) up in the slot or outside at receiver. So I think those two guys’ versatility will really be critical for us as we move forward this season.”
What have you seen out of the freshmen (Salahadin Allah and Cornell Hatcher)?
“A lot of potential. Salahadin is a really fast guy — probably the fastest guy in the room. He’s had some explosive plays in the passing game. But make no mistake, he’s a very physical runner. And in the opportunities that he’s had in live competition, he’s done a good job breaking tackles. And then with Cornell, he’s more of your old school back, where he’s going to slash it, he’s going to get in your face, he’s going to get it downhill, square up on guys. Very physical, extremely smart. I think Cornell has done a really nice job of picking up the offense. He does some things naturally that I think are going to be special moving forward. But both those freshman kids are going to be really good players here with the Beaver program.”
Are you comfortable playing them on Saturdays?
“If Jam and Hank weren’t going. Those guys are the guys first. But I think both players certainly … I could feel comfortable with them in some situational football. Third down? Not really, right? Those guys aren’t quite there yet in pass protection. And I think that’s very, very similar in a lot of places anywhere in the country. Freshman running backs are good running it, but they don’t really have a great understanding of pass pro. So, yeah, they would not be in on third down if they had to play.”
Can Jam and Hankerson play together? Or is that just a rotation thing?
“Sure, we have some stuff on our offense to get both those guys on the field. So I definitely think that we’ll have some packages, given the week and what we’re seeing defensively. But there’s certainly ways we can have both those guys on the field. And they are certainly guys that are probably, definitely, somewhere in that top 11, right? So you want to try to play your best players at all times. And I could definitely see some scenarios where both those guys will be on the field the same time.”
What about (Jake) Reichle? How’s he been in camp?
“Jake is a phenomenal football player in general. He’s a four core, special teams guy for us. But at running back, he’s super physical. He’s really smart. He understands pass protection. If Jam and Hank were down, there’s no doubt whoever was in the game on first and second down, Jake Reichle would be in the game on third down. Because he understands exactly what we’re doing in pass protection. And then again, his running style is different. And I think that’s where his value will be in this group this year. He’s just different than everybody else, right? He’s a bigger guy. He’s 225 pounds, really runs behind his shoulder pads. And, again, he’s very, very intelligent. So he has a firm grasp of what we’re doing offensively.”
Do you think he might evolve into a fullback?
“There’s potential for some fullback-type stuff. He’s taken some reps doing that kind of stuff, and he’s done really well with the reps that he’s taken. But, for now, he’s really a tailback and a guy that I think could really do a good job getting those dirty yards for us, short yardage, goal line, four-minute situation like you saw today. He was the guy in there for a reason.”
How would you assess the running back room and where can it improve?
“To answer your first question, I really like the group. I think we are very deep. I think all the guys have specific skill sets that could help us on Saturdays. And in terms of just where they need to continue to grow, just continue to master the playbook, right, just understanding all the little, small details. We talk about that a lot in our room, being focused and being a master of the details. And, so, I think throughout fall camp, we really want to see those guys continue to get better, really mastering those details.”
Noticed that Hankerson didn’t practice today. What’s his status?
“He’ll be OK. We’re just taking some precautionary stuff with him, making sure he can be healthy for Aug. 31.?
Who’s the best pass blocker of the group?
“That’s a tough question. Probably Jam. Jam has been really, really good in pass protection … not just this fall, but in the spring. He’s taken that next step and not just understanding his responsibility, but being really physical at the point of attack on those blitz patterns. So I’d probably give the slight edge to Jam. But Hank and Jake Reichle are right there behind him.”
— Joe Freeman | jfreeman@oregonian.com | 503-294-5183
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/oregon-state-coach-thomas-ford-beavers-are-really-deep-at-running-back-jam-griffin-anthony-hankerson-are-really-special.html
I really like Jam. Glad to hear he’s playing well.
Between the RB room and Johnson’s running ability, those guys should help open up the passing game too. Hope the OL is serviceable.
I expect SDSU, Oregon and Purdue to all send an 8 or 9 man pressure/blitz just to test out the oline/qbs. It will be feast or famine until they prove they can be balanced and protect the qb. Gundy has his work cut out for himself. This may be the best argument for letting Johnson just go out and play, learn the ropes, get some reps and perhaps he becomes a transcendent superstar qb in the process.
Screens are a wonderful counter to that.
Yeah but unfortunately we haven’t seen a decent screen in the OSU offense for at least 20 years. UCLA seemed to have an internal genius for calling screens for as long as I can remember so perhaps the Gundy connection helps with that.
We’ve got size at the receiver position now, so hopefully there’s been an emphasis on perimeter blocking.
Practice reports have been very favorable of the OL play, and mentioned the big improvements that group has made since spring multiple times.
Tank, Gray, Wells, Strand, Starck seems to be the ideal starters with Vincic, Gonzales and Voltin being the most impactful in rotation. I did see that FR Dylan Sikorski has been taking reps with the 2’s at guard.
This article on RBs is another encouraging one. I am starting to understand why the staff feels good about this team.
Granted, there’s a lack of experience at multiple levels, but I could see a one loss team going into @ CAL. By then, things may be coming together well.
Injuries are a big potential risk. Seems like depth is one of our weaknesses.
Sikorski apparently was a center in high school, nice to see he’s getting work in with 2’s.
Miiitch…….on CW (TV)
The Beavers on Thursday announced that they are partnering with Portland’s CW to broadcast at least 18 home games for the 2025 season
…The partnership also features a streaming component, as the games will stream simultaneously on KOIN.com,
The Beavs independent schedule “figures to carry more intrigue and feature more high-profile opponents than past seasons.
Freeman’s “sources” say the schedule is “all but settled”
Hmmm………more high profile opponents than past seasons.
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/oregon-state-baseball-partners-with-portland-tv-station-to-broadcast-home-games-for-2025-season.html
https://osubeavers.com/news/2024/8/15/oregon-state-baseball-teams-with-portlands-cw-for-2025-season
Good news! Portland area will be able to watch Beaver Baseball and non-Portland area will get to stream the games on Koin.com.
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/oregon-state-baseball-partners-with-portland-tv-station-to-broadcast-home-games-for-2025-season.html
Am I missing something? No Jimmy Valsin on the WR position group photo the team posted tonight. I know he’s injured, so maybe he’s just not in Corvallis at the moment?
https://x.com/BeaverFootball/status/1824261763036287442?t=BlS3t1uEesUU1SJ8uW_v6Q&s=19
He was listed as present on the non-participant list in the practice reports.
Didn’t realize OL Dylan Lopez transferred to Nevada(?!?). Was that for family reasons? I was under the impression he had more upside than that? Sounds like a step down?
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/where-did-oregon-state-transfers-from-2023-football-team-end-up.html
Could’ve been that he never really developed. Under Coach M, the top rated OL guys (White, Vincic, Lopez) never really panned out. It was always the underrated ones who stepped up.
Although I see Vincic is projected as C #2 so maybe he’s developing on schedule.
Season tickets at 96% of last year. Big 12 hype buffeting people’s interest?
Ha! Beat me to it!
Oregon State football continues to be of high interest to its fan base in 2024 as the Beavers search for a new conference and unveil a first-year head coach.
The school reports that it has sold 15,819 season tickets with two weeks remaining before the 2024 season opener against Idaho State. That is 96% of what OSU sold last season when it had a preseason top 25 team and a stadium unveiling a $162 million remodel.
Oregon State will continue to sell full and mini-season ticket plans through the Oregon game on September 14. Most season tickets include a donation to Our Beaver Nation, the school’s athletic fundraising arm, that ranges from $200 to $2,110 per seat.
Last year, when OSU sold some 16,500 season tickets, it represented a 22% increase over the 2022 season. That year, Oregon State sold 13,925 season tickets with the stadium’s west side under construction.”
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/oregon-state-has-strong-numbers-for-2024-football-season-tickets.html
Freeman seems to do better pieces at OLive than Oram or Daschel:
“What’s different about Keith Heyward’s defense?”
The most common response?
“Not that much.”
When the head coach is a former defensive coordinator, there’s bound to be some carryover in scheme, style and substance.
But, earlier this week, Kane did point out one subtle difference with the Beavers’ new defensive coordinator.
“A new light of discipline,” Kane said, when asked what Heyward has brought to the Beavers’ defense. “I think it’s really cool to see. Coach Bray was very disciplined with us, obviously, and everyone knows Coach Bray. But it’s like a different way of being disciplined.”
Heyward, it turnsout, has urged his players to look at the big picture of defense and study every position, rather than exclusively focusing on their own segments and assignments.
“Pre-snap communication is a huge emphasis for (Heyward),” Kane said. “Something we look at — instead of just being a DB and, like, I have to know my job and my coverage — we’re looking at the scheme as a whole to understand where everyone fits. I think it’s very fun to notice, like, I can look down at the D-line and I know what front they’re in and I know exactly what gaps are going to open up for me. And I think it’s very, very smart football for him to be giving that to us — the whole scheme. People are making plays that you wouldn’t necessarily think.”
Noting some of this emphasis on defense follows the trend in NFL defenses to adapt to the innovations offenses like Miami has introduced in the last couple of seasons.
I thought the scheme and implementation v. Caleb Williams and USC in Reser a few years back was very impressive. Secondary looked almost professional. Williams worst outing in 2 years at USC I think, and USC held far below their season average of 42 ppg. But, Nolan INTs….
With what Hayes them doing in terms of more holistic understanding could pay off if they’re smart enough…..
FWIW, the article presents CU/Nebby as meaningful, holding on to old narratives…
“The value of non-conference play could be impacted by the expanded playoff, which gives teams a little more room for error and makes these early-season matchups seem a bit less do-or-die for the top postseason contenders. But there is no shortage of eye-popping pairings starting right off the bat in August, including a handful of humdingers on the first full weekend of the year.
…
“Oregon at Oregon State, Sept. 14
The Civil War moves to non-conference play with Oregon’s move to the Big Ten and the disintegration of the 12-team Pac-12. The Ducks and Beavers have never met in September across 127 meetings and have played in October only three times: in 1895, 1937 and 1945. There’s never been any lack of energy around this rivalry, especially with the pair splitting their last four meetings as part of the Pac-12. But this one may be even more frenzied than usual given what happened over the past year.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2024/08/15/college-football-non-conference-games/74423246007/
The Beavrecruiting account got a follow by Petros Papadakis today. Kindof cool he is taking the time to follow the Beavs still.
That is cool. Who are the biggest names that follow?
Not sure how to go about measuring that?
There’s almost 15K followers. Is there a way to sort by followers with higheat follow account?
Omar Speights is tearing it up in pre-season play with Rams right now. Hated it when he left the Beavs as I really liked him.
From what I heard he didn’t enjoy his time at LSU
Bray talks about today’s scrimmage, mentions good tackling (again) and, re QB’s, Johnson and McCoy but not BG.
He’s confident he’ll name a QB before Idaho State prep begins.
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/trent-bray-happy-with-oregon-state-beavers-progress-after-2nd-scrimmage-but-quarterback-job-remains-open.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9j4B4im_KQ
Bray said the interior D-Line is getting pressure up the middle. That could be a very good sign.
Opening day will be the first Beav game I’ve ever missed. Grr. I guess it’s not a bad one to miss, nor is any Big Sky/Mountain West caliber game? Hm. Still bummed. I was curious to see the lack of energy and high school atmosphere. Lol.
Idaho State is not an atypical non-con game is it? SDSU and UO are decent+ non con games…season ticket sales are apparently tracking pretty well. I think the RBs are going to get lots of yards and the atmosphere will be pretty good, with fans coming out to support Bray for sticking around and curiosity about the new offense….
What could and probably will dampen the atmosphere is the 3-day weekend….
Top of the Mountain West is on par with middle of the P4 lmao
Nice interview with Jayathi Murthy from Canzano. I really think OSU is lucky to have her during this transition period. She seems to be really be in touch with everything going on around her and has a sense of calm that is reassuring.
Nice to hear that she is trying to get Jensen Huang interested in football and is tying the academic world to the athletics world(where Huang is already closely connected with academics)
I like that she has that built in determination to do things that others tell her she cant do. A bit of a rebel. But also grounded.
https://x.com/johncanzanobft/status/1825198937541587259?t=YQBwPhkyFf5Ik1c6zgjWPA&s=19
I think she’s pretty tough. Got to meet her once, I enjoyed her seriousness….
From the interview:
Q- there is a good example of successful athletic department marketing and branding just 40 miles away, do …….
A- Do you mean Western Oregon University
That’s a mic drop
That’s such a stupid question/comment when he knows damn well the Knight/Nike tie, which conflates the Ducks/Nike products to promote “brand awareness” for both, piggybacking the Ducks on their products, plus Knight has put in more money to the program than likely even Pickens at Oklahoma State…
Knight turned the Ducks into paper dolls to dress up and get attention as “anti-tradition,” then spread the unis across the NCAA and eventually NFL and MLB…
Kelze Howard out the entire season with torn ACL.
LODB
First Hickle, now Howard? DE depth is getting low.
Hickle done?
Someone posted back at the beginning of summer that Hickle would be out for the year, and Hedberg from BeaverBlitz has said the same. Plus, he hasn’t been practicing during Fall Camp to my knowledge. I don’t think Bray has said anything about it officially yet.
I almost posted this morning that the Beavs have been fairly lucky with the lack of season ending injuries this offseason.
But I didnt want to jinx it.
Then a couple hours later they report Howard is done.
Was Howard having a great camp and looking like a starter?
Not from anything I’ve heard.
I haven’t seen him on any lists of starters or expected back-ups.
I wonder if he’s been partially injured until a full tear occurred. Pain could present in several different ways, and he could have been under-performing without knowing it was because he was just limited in his motion.
I think we’re okay depth wise. Wesolak and the Wyo transfer are the projected backups, right?
Predictions on who they name as the starting Quarterback end of this upcoming week?
I’m thinking they pick McCoy but interested to see how long of a rope whoever’s gets picked has quarterback has
Kerry Eggers is saying he has sources telling him BG will start the season, but Johnson could still take over the job as the season progresses.
I wouldn’t object to that, BG could be the steadying influence that could make a positive difference.
He’s mature and smart, I’m not worried about him adapting to Gundy’s ideas.
He may not run the new system as well as either of the other two will eventually, but I think they’ll benefit from some time observing and getting in in less pressure situations.
BG is likely going to make the right read, and you know, if I’m being honest….hand the ball off….that’s going to work for many games, then in the back third of the season maybe GJ is ready to add the dual threat.
The SDSU is a must win. Gundy’s going with the QB who’s least likely to turn the ball over.
lol former 5-star Malachi Nelson didn’t win the starting job at BSU. Must have let the hype and NIL money get to his head (or he just wasn’t that good to begin with).
He just had a huge drooling article on ESPN.com. Nice story about an over invested and possibly controlling father and his obedient son on a 10 year plan to get to NFL money. Kind of sounds familiar to DJU saga.
I think ESPN was just trying to inform the SEC why Boise St might be able to take a playoff spot from them in case Nelson turns out to be really good. Not so apparently.
Another highly ranked USC QB who doesn’t deliver…seems like a pattern. Caleb Williams was the last one to live up to the hype, and he transferred in…
“Madsen, a 5-foot-10, 200-pound QB from American Fork, Utah, was competing for the starting job with redshirt freshman Malachi Nelson, a former 5-star recruit who transferred to Boise State from USC. Both played in both scrimmages this fall. Madsen made nine appearances for Boise State in 2023 and made his first start against New Mexico in November — the game that happened to be former head coach Andy Avalos’ last in charge before he was fired a day later. Danielson, the defensive coordinator, stepped in as interim coach before earning the job full time. It also was Madsen’s final game of the year. The Broncos won 42-14, with Madsen throwing for 202 yards and two touchdowns. But he suffered a knee injury late in the second quarter that would require surgery. He also essentially missed spring practice while recovering.
Over his nine appearances in 2023, Madsen completed 81-for-131 passes for 1,191 yards and nine touchdowns, with three interceptions. He also rushed for 120 yards and two touchdowns.
Nelson arrived at USC in 2023 as the No. 1 recruit in the country, according to ESPN. He was the No. 5-ranked quarterback and No. 13 overall recruit in the 2023 class by 247Sports. But he made just one appearance for USC last season, going 1-for-3 passing. He had scholarship offers out of high school from some of the biggest names in college football, including Michigan, Alabama, Oklahoma, Georgia, Ohio State and Oregon. Nelson threw for 7,984 passing yards and 105 touchdowns in four seasons at Los Alamitos High School, according to previous Statesman reporting.”
Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/college/mountain-west/boise-state-university/boise-state-football/article291167685.html#storylink=cpy
“Kind of sounds familiar to DJU saga.” Years ago, there was a USC QB whose father groomed him to be a pro QB since childhood…really unhealthy approach and relationship. The kid ended up in the NFL for a bit but developed a serious drug problem and just dropped out of the league…
Todd Marinovich
The kid’s only a redshirt frosh. And Madsen won the job over the QB who transferred to Arkansas.
It’s a lot like our situation. The older QB has a higher floor, but not as high a ceiling. It’ll change as the younger get experience.
Yeah, but imagine being the guys paying Nelson’s NIL deals. All that money for a backup QB.
For now.
How much is Nikegon paying Moore?
How much are we paying Johnson?
Current readiness doesn’t dictate future readiness.
From practice reports it sounds like BG had another good day today with a couple highlight completions and all 3 were solid rotating with the 1’s. Kudos to the passing game and acknowledging how much that’s improved and offense has grown as a whole from both sedge/blitz.
Jordan Anderson also mentioned as a standout that has made a case for playing time down the stretch of camp.
One more day of camp then they’ll have to hunker down and pick a starter for ISU. I’m guessing it’ll be BG with both Johnson/McCoy listed as OR on the 2-deep.
I think that seems like the best option until one of the other guys can get more comfortable. He’ll be good if the Oline protects him, guys catch the ball and there is a solid run game. If our defense can be can be great like it sounds they could be he can get it done. I’d rather have a qb that doesn’t make all the plays but takes care of the ball. Turnovers will be huge this year.
Best thing that can happen is a early blowout of Idaho State where we can get these back ups some playing time.
This feels like a 30-7 kind of blowout and not a 56-14 kind of blowout, though.
Hard to believe our offense is going to be explosive.
I think the RBs are going to run all over and around them…passes to TEs…then freedom for some longer passes…D will get a few TOs…42 points wouldn’t surprise me
Thoughts from Daschel on BG:
Gulbranson isn’t the statue he’s made out to be. He’s more mobile than Jake Luton, for example. He can move well enough, but he’s not a dual threat quarterback. But running is only a small part of the package. You can’t play a quarterback who is a great scrambler and run threat who can’t properly execute the entire offense and recklessly throws the ball. Gulbranson checks the boxes on the latter two points.
https://archive.ph/8Gtha#selection-463.0-463.410
I don’t see how Gulbranson wouldn’t be the best option. Been with the team forever, did well vs PAC-12 play other than one bad game vs Utah, etc, so he should dominate Mountain West and lower competition.
Beav coaches continually put the wrong guys on the field, though, so there is that, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t start for that reason. Maybe this is an issue with all teams, but since I only follow the Beavs, I only see it with them.
Bray ran the right guys when he was DC. It was Smith/Lindgren that seemed to fuck that up on the offensive side. Gundy is unknown so I guess we find out on the opener.
True….
Our run game with Coach M was excellent and allowed Ben to play a game manager role. We won’t have that luxury this year.
We’ll see.
Misdirection will still allow him to get 5 to 10 yards on keepers. He’s not going to house it, but he can still manage the game within his abilities.
He definitely has the size advantage over the other 2 QB’s, too. That’s a factor in short yardage running.
Preseason rankings 1-134 of DI teams after so much change…granted speculative perception, and all the coaching and roster turnover make it more speculative, but look how former PAC schools are perceived:
UO #4
Utah #13
USC #23
AZ #42
UW #47
OSU #67
CAL #83
COL #89
UCLA #91
WSU #95
STAN #96
ASU #105
Note upcoming Beaver foes:
BSU #30
UNLV #44
AF #54
CSU #75
SDSU #85
NEV #130
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2024/08/20/college-football-ncaa-re-rank/74799695007/
Forgot Purdue @ #98…
Also forgot SJSU at 104
Old P12 member average is 69.
2024 OSU schedule average is…69.
Not that this list is the final authority, but reports of our schedule being weakened may have been exaggerated.
More fun with numbers:
We’re ranked at 67, which puts us exactly in the middle of the 134 FBS teams. If you base results on these rankings, the Beavs will go 7-5 this season.
There are 68 “Power 4” teams.
Mediocre Mike is smiling today.
ESPN’s SP+ rating has the Beavs at #50. We’re ahead of two SEC teams (miss st and vandy), and we’re ahead of five Bigten teams (Illinois, Purdue, Mich st, northwestern, Indiana). Michigan state is #71.
We play tougher than our (preseason) ranking usually.
A couple of the schools we’re matched against do also, just on basis of their program.
Probably a wash in the end.
Anyone else remember the game at SDSU in 2013? Never felt so disgusted after a W. Beavs stole that one.
Steven Nelson pick 6 on a ball that should have never been thrown by Quinn Kaehler.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/332640021
Man, I can’t remember what I had for dinner last night let alone a game 10 years ago!
Select Excerpts from Freeman article on TEs:
“Hours before the Beavers step onto the turf for practice, Jermaine Terry II stands in front of a JUGS machine. A football is placed in the machine and it zooms toward his soft hands.
“I call it, ‘100 catches a day keeps the drops away,’” tight end coach Jon Boyer said. “He’s out there on the JUGS machine every morning with a couple of our wideouts. He’s definitely put time in to improve his abilities as a receiving threat … so I think he’s ready for that next step in his game for sure.”
And Terry’s not alone.
The tight end room was shrouded in mystery as the Beavers wrapped up spring practice, as transfers, injuries and surgeries cast an air of uncertainty around a position group that had been one of the team’s strongest and most dependable in recent years. But four months later, the Beavers are healthy and wealthy, they say, and poised to emerge as an asset in first-year offensive coordinator Ryan Gunderson’s system.
Terry, a ballyhooed recruit in the Class of 2021, appears on the verge of a breakout senior season. Bryce Caufield, a redshirt junior from Lakeridge High School, has bulked up to 240 pounds, and OSU coaches are touting his two-way potential. Cal transfer Andy Alfieri, a physical H-back/fullback hybrid player, is making an impact in the running game. Redshirt junior Gabe Milbourn (offseason surgery) and redshirt freshman Cooper Jensen (offseason injury) are healthy after missing most of spring. And transfer TJ Zimmerman and freshman Carson Kolb have drawn praise from coaches during their brief time on campus.
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For the most part, the Beavers used play-action and intermediate passing routes to throw to tight ends in recent seasons. But that will evolve under Gunderson and their passing routes have expanded to include opportunities on the perimeter, in space, via deep balls and in a variety of ways through RPO plays. In Saturday’s scrimmage, Oregon State quarterbacks unofficially completed 14 passes — and eight went to tight ends.
“I feel like things have opened up a lot,” Terry said. “We just have a way bigger route tree. That’s been really interesting … coach Boyer, he’s helped us work on the transition and it’s been great for sure. We’re definitely trying to keep (OSU’s tight end) tradition alive.”
Terry will be the focal point. At 6-foot-4 and 245-pounds, he possesses both the size and athleticism to torment defenses. He has played in 30 games in his career — 17 at Cal and 13 last season with the Beavers — so he has more experience than the rest of the tight end room combined. And after being used predominantly in running situations last season, he’s eager to spread his wings and show he’s a two-way threat.
“He’s a guy that’ll be the first one in, the last one to leave, and he’s very business-oriented,” Boyer said of Terry. “He’s driven to have success. And I think what he did this summer to help prepare himself (for an expanded role) is giving him the opportunity. And he’s got a full year of starting experience under his belt. So he’s been there, he knows what to expect and there won’t be any surprises. I think he’s ready for ready to roll.”
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https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/mystery-to-meaningful-can-oregon-state-tight-ends-keep-nfl-tradition-alive.html
QR codes on helmets link fans to Okie State general fund donations page….
In an official statement from Oklahoma State football, Gundy said, “This is a revolutionary step forward to help keep Oklahoma State football ahead of the game.” He continued, “It gives a chance for everyday fans across the world to have a real impact when it comes to supporting the NIL efforts for Cowboy football.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/big12/2024/08/20/oklahoma-state-football-helmets-qr-codes-nil-fund/74874757007/
College football is kinda like Onlyfans now, I guess. Gross.
Interesting concept. Get a crucial int in a big game… or blow up a guys knee on a cheap shot against your rival… and BOOM, big lump of cash goes into the Venmo account.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why fans would be such suckers and give players money like this.
Eggers posts comments by a group of Beav media types. Covers every game scheduled.
Parker, et al, don’t always agree with Eggers who has losses vs: ucks, Cal, AF, BSU
BIG JIM hedges his bets a bit, seems to see 8 to 10 wins.
Parker, Preece, Callan, Warren……you can see for yourself in the article.
https://www.kerryeggers.com/stories/how-will-the-beavers-fare-in-24-the-experts-have-their-say
“A Civil War victory would go down as an upset of Buster Douglas over Tyson, Chaminade over Virginia, Appalachian State over Michigan proportions”
That’s a bit much for a game at Reser….an upset? Yes, but not THAT much….
And it’s not the Civil War anymore.
F Oregon…. It’s the unCivil War!
Wow, Stanford Women’s Softball Pitcher transfers to Texas Tech on rich NIL deal, also bid on by Oklahoma, Texas, and Stanford:
“NiJaree Canady was the biggest sports star on Stanford’s campus for the past two years. But the softball pitcher who won national player of the year and led the Cardinal to their second straight Women’s College World Series has departed the school for a sport-altering deal.
Canady announced her transfer to Texas Tech on Wednesday, with multiple reports quickly coming out that the Red Raiders’ name, image and likeness (NIL) collective Matador Club, the group of boosters supporting Texas Tech by signing the school’s athletes to endorsement deals, signed the pitcher to a one-year deal for over $1 million.
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Canady had led Stanford to the WCWS for the past two seasons and pitched the Cardinal into the semifinals in both years. When she entered the transfer portal, four-time defending national champions Oklahoma and national runners-up Texas — the two teams that have knocked Stanford out of the last two WCWS — were reportedly heavily pursuing her.
The San Francisco Chronicle reported last week that Stanford felt it still had a chance to keep Canady as it prepared a significant NIL offer. ESPN reported that Canady had a six-figure offer from Stanford that “would have made her the highest-paid women’s athlete in school history.”
Instead, she got a seven-figure payday, all to go to a program that hasn’t reached the NCAA tournament in five years and has never made it to the WCWS. Industry experts like Blake Lawrence, the CEO for Opendorse, a company that facilitates and manages NIL deals, called the deal “absolutely unprecedented.”
“This is 10 times higher than the biggest figures we have seen at Opendorse for college softball players,” Lawrence told the Athletic. “There are very few six-figure players, and they are barely into the six figures.”
Softball pitcher is one of the most highly leveraged positions in team sports with as many innings as they throw.
This still makes almost no sense to me.
For that kind of money can you blame her.
Can’t blame her, but does that sport draw the viewers to merit such an amount? That’s what shocks me.
DI QBs get $1M+ NIL deals, but their are eyes on the broadcast product.
Stanford to a low rent glorified CC…
Apparently, TTech has a billionaire donor who has a daughter on the softball team.
It’s not and has never been about viewership. It is about rich alumni wanting to be apart of a winner
Per Beav Blitz podcast, none of the qb’s have separated from each other. As others have surmised, it seems most likely BG would start based on experience if none of these guys have built a case for themselves. Hopefully someone steps up and truly becomes that guy as it’s starting to sound like the same issue where the rest of the team is really solid but QB play will limit success. While the schedule is more favorable than the usual P12 season, we really need to be making a statement with wins. Scraping by with 1 score wins each week against “lesser” competition isn’t going to help our case to remain a P4 even with all the changes we’ve faced.
ILB seems to be in good shape. Not just due to Jordan/Chisom, but apparently true freshman Foster from Portland has shot up the charts and is running with the 2’s. Secondary seems like a serious strength of the defense with some great talent even thru the 2nd team. D Line appears to have some talent but it’s largely untested and the outside backers are in a similar situation. Kicker seems like another area of concern. Hayes has been inconsistent and injured throughout his career. Doesn’t sound like we’ll be in trouble if he goes down.
If the QB situation was better, I’d feel more comfortable with taking the over at 8 wins, but at this time it might be more likely that the under is a safer bet. I think at a minimum we lose 2 of the P4 matchups we have, Boise State and easily can see another road loss. Hope to be wrong!
“ILB seems to be in good shape. Not just due to Jordan/Chisom, but apparently true freshman Foster from Portland has shot up the charts and is running with the 2’s. Secondary seems like a serious strength of the defense with some great talent even thru the 2nd team.”
This where I see the risk of the “farm system” treatment Angry identified. There’s talent there that will be pursued with NIL $ from big programs next year….FR Exodus already turning heads, 6’4″ (6’4″!) DB Jaheim turning heads….the LBs…enjoy these guys this year, the LBs and Secondary should be fun to watch.
Amazing how this coaching staff never offered Sappington a scholarship.
More amazing is that Hayes is still our only kicking option?
It seems like he played on Riley’s last team… How many freaking years has this kid been in school?
He wasn’t good enough to waste one on him, but he’s a duck now, so you probably hung his pic above your bed.
Listen I understand that you’re not the head of your household but you can always talk to your husband about it
Yawn…. What they don’t talk trash in Eugene? You can do better
Says the keyboard warrior
Just calling out duck trolls. Still waiting on that sign in the student section “studentbeav”. Sorry Summer has been boring for you, friends help.
Lmao you’re an asswipe of a Beaver “fan” by defending bad decisions
I’m an alum fuck face. Not some loser who goes onto my rivals message board pretending to be a student.
Lmao okay asswipe, **really** convincing
Blame he who shall not be named
Does anyone know if the Fox covering our game will be the Portland Fox (that I can’t reach) or the Fox from Eugene that I can ?
I am waiting for some sweet and kind AB to list the networks, streams, apps for each game.
I hear there are STREAMS way out in the EAST that are pretty reliable ;)
Just take the plural way on the first word.
*Take the plural away… apparently I can’t type.
Thanks. Mostly pro sports and not sure if they wd pick up OSU this year. We’ll soon find out.
There was a Statesman’s journal article on tv coverage. Sounds like every game we play this year will be either CW, Fox or CBS. And all of those will be available on ober the air antenna TV for free if you’re watching live.
The streaming options sounded like they’d all require some type of subscription to network mentioned above that are carrying the game.
But the good news is 100% free over the air games if you have an amtenna
The talking heads predict either the Independence or Holiday bowls for the Beavs, Sun Bowl for the Cougs.
https://archive.is/unOq9
Lol. There is a Snoop Dog Bowl? The end is truly near. I’m thinking swag bags for players having an ounce of weed, for starters.
Probably was the “Jimmy Kimmel Bowl?” I think the “LA Bowl” sells naming rights annually?
Is Zach card still on the team? I was hoping for big things from him this year but haven’t heard anything about him. Is he hurt or did he transfer? On the podcast they were saying that there weren’t any downfield threats on the team.
Still listed:
https://osubeavers.com/sports/football/roster
He’s been injured and on the non-participant list for all of fall camp, no word on what that injury is only that it isn’t expected to be “long term”.
If his injury is minor, it could be that they just didn’t want to risk it becoming a “long term” by pushing through it for camp when they know he’d likely be back to 100% by mid-season if they held him out. Just hard to tell in this day and age where there tend to share next to nothing when it comes to injuries.
Also did they ever do a position change and and added/lost weight of the roster or does that come around now?
The weight/height/listed positions were all updated at the start of Fall camp.
Did they show the movement tho?
OSU MBB has the second most international players in the country after UT Martin. Tinkle’s reputation has gotten so bad he has to go to other countries to get players.
Will we soon see interplanetary recruiting?
It’s more likely nobody wants to pay for kids to just leave after a year of using us for getting floor time and game film.
International students are here on student visas and can’t play with NIL, or they risk losing that status.
With any luck, they won’t understand his system or his terminology. But what they can all do is know how to run a basic motion offense, and just do it, instead.
Well NBA Spurs rookie Wembanyana was characterized by Lebron James” as an “alien” so, hopefully?
X post suggests Beavs have named their captains:
Gulbranson
Saluni
Robinson
Thomas
Jordan
Gray
https://x.com/BeaverFootball/status/1827091627997065621
Have to say, a lot of these guys look like they took conditioning seriously and hit the weights in the off season. I notice that in practice reports/videos too. I think Bray does have them fired up.
Excited to see Skyler back in the fold. Huge bummer when he went down last summer.
Man these guys are old, err…experienced
I’m trying to watch College Gameday, it’s unwatchable, right? I don’t know how Nick Saban is enjoying himself. I guess it’s ego to stay relevant, God knows he has enough money. Also, I’m a petty person, but I sort of hope DJU fails today.
So far he’s just handing the ball off. Can he complete timing throws and passes with touch?
Georgia Tech run defense looks like trash early. He won’t need to throw much if this trend holds up.
Now that he isn’t a Beav and I’m not clouded by hope, DJU looks like he is always a beat late on everything he does. I wonder whether coaches recognize it.
His arm strength makes up for it on some plays but the window for certain passes he already closed and he doesn’t anticipate any throws.
No ill will, but he won’t improve any more there than Clemson or OSU.
The real fun this year will be to watch an implosion at Mich St.
DJU has been deer in the headlights on a couple of GT blitzes. A bunch of short completions that could have been for more yardage with better accuracy. Yup, same old DJ. GT has really settled down. Now up 14-11 with about 4 minutes left in the half. GT’s QB is much more dynamic.
He looked that way at OSU, too
DJ looking like DJ. Very average. Not a QB that can elevate your offense.
“Here are a dozen players (you could make a case for more) who caught more than few eyes during camp:
Salahadin Allah, RB, Fr.: Not a big surprise, as freshmen running backs are often on a short list of those capable of showing quick improvement. The Texas native has good size for a freshman at 206 pounds, with some burst. Assuming Anthony Hankerson and Jam Griffin are 1 and 1A at running back, Allah seems to have found a niche as the third option. Freshmen running backs are often part of the mix at OSU.
Exodus Ayers, CB, Fr.: Ayers got a jump on most of Oregon State’s freshmen after taking part in spring drills. Though he’s playing at a position with two standout seniors, Ayers showed during the second half of camp that he’s ready for some action. Look for Ayers to see plenty of action on special teams, and a spot on the depth chart at corner.
Dexter Foster, ILB, Fr.: A pleasant surprise, as the former Central Catholic High star didn’t participate in his first college practice until August. Foster saw heavy action with the second team during camp, and the true freshman made a case for playing time behind Melvin Jordan IV and Isaiah Chisom early this season.
Gabarri Johnson, QB, RFr.: Before rolling your eyes as someone who surprised, consider that we didn’t know a whole lot about Johnson beyond the four stars he earned as a high school player. Johnson was sidelined most of the spring, so it wasn’t until August that we saw what the dual-threat second-year freshman could do. Johnson mostly took snaps with the third unit during the first two weeks of camp, then increased his action with the top two teams as he became comfortable with the offense. Johnson’s ability to run at a moment’s notice is clearly an intriguing option as OSU coaches try to decide on a starting quarterback.
Cooper Jensen, TE, RFr.: The tight end position, in question after the spring, became noticeably wealthier in August because of improvements from players like Jensen. It’s not a huge surprise, as Jensen came to OSU as a solid three-star recruit. Jensen was one of the stars of the second scrimmage with five receptions.
Jojo Johnson, DL, RFr.: Johnson made a case for a spot on the two-deep during camp. He regularly found ways to get into the backfield and blow up plays. Johnson’s position coach, Ilaisa Tuiaki, called him “slippery.”
Jaheim Patterson, S, Soph.: A JC transfer from Texas, Patterson looks like a playmaker who can hit. During the second scrimmage, Patterson had one of the two interceptions. Said secondary coach Rod Chance of the 6-foot-4, 205-pound Patterson: “When he steps off the bus, we want him to step off first.”
Taz Reddicks, WR, RFr.: Reddicks came to Oregon State in 2023 as part of a touted receiver class, but injuries kept him off the field as a freshman. It wasn’t until August that Reddicks showed that he needs to be in the two-deep mix this fall. Reddicks has decent size and good speed, and showed solid hands throughout camp.
Jake Reichle, RB, Soph.: A third-year sophomore, Reichle remains a walk-on, but for how long? During the offseason Reichle added 20 pounds. He used it to become a battering ram when he carries the ball. Special teams coach Jamie Christian mentions Reichle’s name first any time he’s asked about players who will contribute most on kick and return teams. Look for Reichle to play a lot in short yardage situations.
Semisi Saluni, DL, Sr.: At first you ask, a surprise? Saluni has played 39 games at Oregon State. But for the first time of his career, Saluni is the veteran and a player the defensive line asks to be the leader. He has filled the bill this fall as Saluni’s game has improved significantly. With a lot of youth at the position, the Beavers needed a steady presence, and Saluni appears to be that player.
Jacob Strand, OL, Soph.: Four of the five offensive line positions appeared secure heading into camp, but the fifth was anyone’s guess. It now appears Strand, heading into his third year, will take over at right tackle. It’s a big ask, as the past two OSU right tackles (Brandon Kipper, Taliese Fuaga) ended up in an NFL camp.
Aiden Sullivan, ILB, Jr.: A junior college transfer from Butte College, Sullivan was a playmaker at his previous stop. He hasn’t let up since arriving at Oregon State in January. Sullivan is going to challenge presumptive starters Melvin Jordan IV and Isaiah Chisom for playing time.
A few others worth mentioning: Jordan Anderson (WR, Fr.), Malachi Durant, (WR, Fr.), Cornell Hatcher Jr. (RB, Fr.)
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/oregon-state-football-12-players-who-boosted-their-stock-during-camp-heading-into-2024-opener.html
Jake Reichle looking to be like his brother and provide those intangibles that elevate the team but may not show up on the stat sheet.
Curious to see Patterson play…hopefully a difference maker at S….still no word on Alton Julian? Sucks he never fully recovered.
DJU has made a couple of nice throws on fourth down in the 4th quarter. FSU has tied the game at 21-21 with about six minutes left. I wish he could have done that against the Huskies last season!
GT wins on a last second FG 24-21!
Great finish! Not sure if GT is really good or FSU overated??? Maybe a little of both. Have to play a few games.
DJU with a middling performance in an upset loss. I am not surprised. He could never seem to put together a significant performance against any teams of note. I didn’t get to watch much of it, but I am guessing he is still having issues checking down.
To be fair, he made a couple of clutch fourth-down throws on their game-tying touchdown drive. Otherwise, he was meh, with a lot of short passes and slow reactions under duress. I don’t see him as NFL quality.
So exactly what we already knew.
Current forecasts say it’s looking like it’s going to be 90f at kickoff next weekend. Bring your sunscreen!
SMU is its own worst enemy tonight. But, Nevada is not as toothless as I had hoped.
Hard to scout a team with 56 transfers and 12 new coaches
“Losers”
DJ Uiagalelei
You will get serviceable, sometimes strong, relatively error-free, unbelievably cautious quarterback play when Uiagalelei is under center, and expecting more than that will leave you disappointed. The question for Norvell is whether the Seminoles need more than that to win another ACC title — and after one game, the answer is a resounding yes. But there are things you can do to build around Uiagalelei, as Oregon State and former coach Jonathan Smith did last season. That he’ll protect the football is one big bonus; that he can be a weapon on the ground is another, though he was lightly used as a runner in the opener. Maybe, after three years at Clemson and one game at FSU, Uiagalelei just isn’t made for the ACC.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2024/08/25/college-football-week-0-winners-losers/74937536007/
Disagree with the writer saying DJ can be used as a runner. DJ is slow as proven by his in ability to avoid rushers when back to pass and when trying to run on called QB draws. From what I witnessed last year I don’t think he has a future career in the NFL. He does elevate the offense. I think Ben G, will be steady for the Beavs, I think the other two QB’s have a higher ceiling that could take the Beavs to more wins.
He had some good runs at WSU and v. UW….
He’s more a run called specifically for him than a scrambling QB. Basically wildcat with a legit qb. They should be using him as that kind of players in those situations.
I hope the beavers figure out something super reliable and versatile to use week in week out in short yardage situations.
Luke the old jackhammer! Maybe Jake?
Don’t really care, at this point.
DJU is a good kid, but I don’t care about his team or his game now.
It’s game week!
Let’s get a new thread
Jefferson scored two TD’s for the Lion yesterday. One was a nice 7 yard cut to the end zone.
Blitz reporting that Josh Griffis is no longer on the team. Someone on the X post indicated some type of off-field issue but not sure if that’s correct or not. Seems likely at this stage in the season that it is though
was he on the projected 2-deep?
Not sure. Don’t know if he got much run during fall camp…might’ve been benched already from whatever ultimately led to his removal. Could’ve used some depth though with 2 or 3 of the DL/Edge guys being done for the year.
Read that initially as Jam Griffin lol
Daschel reports McCoy has won the starting QB job.
All right, time to play. If he’s the future, will be good for him to get some “easy” reps this week vs Idaho St rather than split time between BG and him. (no offense BeaverGopher)
Wow. I’m surprised….
that’s because you actually read the local media reports. Turns out, not a single reporter predicted McCoy above #3, which is pretty hilarious.
“Another notable name among the first-teamers is Andre Jordan Jr., who will make his starting debut at cornerback.”
This is probably due to Singleton being behind the 8 ball due to his injury and late start. Probably not quite at game level conditioning yet. Jordan did show well last season with his time but seems unlikely that Singleton would play 2nd fiddle.
https://x.com/hedbergjake/status/1828144383440625970?s=46&t=4EUkouRSX6geqbxlTsM7Tg
Depth chart
Wesolak not listed on the DL or OLB 2-deep. Yeesh, that squad is looking pretty thin.
Omotosho didn’t play at all last year and is now the starter at DE.
Team is going to be pretty unrecognizable.
A ” shallow chart?”
It’s hard to watch Wesolak’s film and project him anywhere. He’s a good athlete without a position.
Olu has been awesome in camp and slated to start all year. In our scheme that “DE” is more of an OLB and that the position he’s been projected at.
Andre Jordan gets the start over Singleton as he missed most of camp.
Funny they list so many TE’s. Indicative of just how different this offense will be than anything we’ve seen since GA.
Wesolak also played well in camp and he should get a lot of reps in passing situations as he’s great in coverage.
Err I meant Sullivan not Wesolak, he’s young/raw, but also had a good camp.
I’m excited about Sullivan. One of my favorite guys in this recruiting class.
RB#1 is returning kicks. We’re doing this again?
Last one I remember was Dwayne Owen’s.
It worked out pretty well.
Sometimes it would be the only way we scored any points.
And that JC safety (Patterson?) everyone was excited about isn’t even on the 2-deep.
Yea he’s good.
That’s how good this D could be.
There are a lot of good players that aren’t on the 2-deep that are gunna play a bunch.
Yeah, reporters didn’t seem to think he was in the conversation. But I suppose he has the best combination of experience and potential. So it makes sense to me.
Bray liked McCoy early on in his recruitment…
At least he’ll start out with a level of competition to which he’s accustomed….he was a dealer at the FCS level.
we’ll see at SDSU how he fares against a higher level of competition.
He torched Cal and Nevada last year. He’ll be okay.
Biggest drawback is that starting him is basically admitting our downfield passing game is going to be limited. Unless he’s gotten stronger, that’s his one real weakness. He makes all the right throws, though and has great poise in the pocket.
But isn’t McCoy more of a running threat than BG? Maybe that adds a dynamic to the offense that will help off-set the loss of the downfield throws?
I think BG is much more athletic than people say he is. Sure, he’s more of the traditional qb but he did move around a bit those few games he started. Neither McCoy or BG are as mobile as Gabarri though.
Who is Tyree Blake?
Ok, PWO from Jesuit who was team MVP his senior year. Cool.
Jam Griffin #1 RB and also returning kicks….
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/08/oregon-states-gevani-mccoy-has-a-late-surge-to-win-the-starting-qb-job-he-started-making-the-play-we-needed-to-make.html
“He started making the plays we needed to make. Had comfort with the offense, and doing stuff with his legs,” Bray said. “What we liked about him in the first place is not only his ability with his arm, but the ability to make plays and run the ball when things break down.”
Asked if there’s a plan to play Gulbranson and Johnson in the opener, Bray said “Absolutely. Ben is a great quarterback. We know we can win with him. He’s going to have an opportunity. Same thing with Gabarri. There’s a plan and that’s kind of what (offensive coordinator Ryan Gunderson) is going through right now.”
https://youtu.be/sWx2IvrjqHc?si=f-9_VLWlZb7WRl4C
Bray Presser
Haven’t been following football this summer, somewhat surprised to see BG behind McCoy based on experience. Thankfully BG is a team first guy.
Hey looking out a couple of weeks, we won’t be able to make the Civil War if anyone want a pair in 120 for face value.
Thankfully my plans fell through for this Saturday, so I’ll be able to watch this hilarious glorified high school football!
I’ll be there, should be easy to spot, not sure that many folks will be in attendance
Yeah I’m curious how low attendance will be.
New thread up for game week. Let’s hear your predictions.