I think those early games where we looked pretty decent were a bit of a mirage. I had this team as 3 or 4 wins and asked how people were claiming 9. I mean, I think my prediction is looking decent? We’ll probably finish somewhere in between with 6 or something like that. Should be UNLV and SJSU, but we probably lose all the other games. The trend is your friend, and the trend is pretty bad right now: we go into 2 OTs vs Colorado State, at home, and then lose to Nevada on the road.
UNLV? I mean who studies that team? Nobody. But based on prestige, reputation, etc, we should win this game. But that might be living in the past. When I look at who UNLV played this year and the results, they’re actually pretty good. Their best performance was probably vs Syracuse in a loss, but they have a couple okay wins. They look to be on par with the Beavs but on more of an uptrend.
I want to harp on this McCoy issue because I said from game 1 he wasn’t a good option. He’s now completed 63% of passes, which is solid, but only a 6.7 average and 3TDs to 5INTs. This can’t be the production at QB no matter how good a run game you have. Really a change should be made. I like Gulbranson and think he did well in his time vs legit P5 talent in the P12 at that time, but whatever, give someone else a shot no matter who it is to try to get more production from the most important position on the field. I don’t know why people downvote these types of comments. Who wants that measly production at QB? Why wouldn’t you want to improve it? Why wouldn’t you want to give someone else a shot? It makes no sense.
Anyway, this is somewhat of a toss up between two bad teams. UNLV has the clear QB edge, and that might win this game for them. But, I’ll stick with the Beavs in a close win at home. This is probably a bad call since the Beavs aren’t really designed to win close games (poor QB play, poor kicker, poor D, etc), but I think UNLV is close to their level and the Beavs being home gives them the slight edge. Should be another ugly game between two glorified HS teams.
Beavs 28, UNLV 24
First to say I don’t give a shit, ride or die it’s #GoBeavs
Yupper – I don’t want to be a fair weather fan. Still cheering for them, send a little money.
OTOH – from the last thread “17 players on D (since the start of camp) were not available on the 2 deep. I don’t think I have ever seen a team hit with injuries as bad as this one has.” Hmm
So I see the bitching about the QB and no commentary on the defense?
When you are down 7 D linemen and are using TE to fill in, how do you expect the defense to look?
There is a serious lack of depth, there is no getting around that, unless you want to pray to the baby Jesus.
Who all was out? Is it all injuries or was it some type of illness that hit a bunch of players at the same time?
Havent really seen any mention of the details but also havent looked very hard
Collins, Robinson, Thomas, Singleton, Wesolak were all definitely out. I think many of the injuries were to our depth, but we play big rotations. We have only three healthy DE’s (Taylor, Olu and Meikele, who is a 208 lbs true frosh). Exodus Ayers, true frosh, played most of the game at CB.
Defensive snap leaders through first 5 games:
Taylor, Saez, Saluni, Schuster
Jordan, Chisom
Jordan, Vadrawale, Kane, Thomas
Nevada snap leaders:
Tayor, Olu, Saluni, Schuster
Jordan, Foster
Jordan, Ayers, Ivy (converted CB), Thomas
So, four differences from this game vs. the previous games. Plus Collins, Robinson, Thomas, who would all be starters if healthy.
The two Jordans are the only ones of our top 10 PFF defensive players still healthy.
If we can’t beat Nevada, we won’t win any games until the defense gets healthy, period.
We could face some pass-happy team that only likes to throw intermediate to long passes.
Always harder to play on the road. If that game’s at Reser, maybe we eek out a win.
Yep. KHJ is in a real quandary with the defensive personnel available. No pressure unless they bring extra guys, but the linebackers can’t stay with anyone in man coverage and aren’t steady in run support either. So they are deciding to play on their heels and hope the opponent can’t make a long drive, but still end up allowing big plays.
A lot of young guys are already on the field and credit to Bray that he isn’t shouting it as the excuse.
BG likely gets a chance this week if McCoy is injured. I think they stick with McCoy otherwise though.
Injuries are part of football but the roster has some areas of real need and these injuries add up to expose the depth and lack of experience on the roster.
I figure we essentially had 10 starters transfer and now another 10 starters have been injured at least. So we have a lot of players who were likely 3rd string last year playing a lot right now. It isn’t likely that last year’s 3rd string or true freshman are ready so here we are.
UNLV has the potential to make explosive plays and it may get ugly at Reser. I’m losing confidence in what the staff can change with this defense.
Go Beavs but: UNLV 52-OSU 35
According to PFF, the worst offenders on our run defense were:
Vadrawale (regular, but only due to injuries)
Foster (true frosh)
Ayers (true frosh)
Schuster (regular starter)
Kane (regular starter)
Omotosho
PFF ratings vs Nevada:
Offense
Top 3: Clemons, Walker, Terry
Bottom 3: GCL, Reddicks, Gonzalez (who’s becoming a regular in the bottom)
OL is really slipping. Even the guys who started the season well are trending down.
Defense
Top 3: Andre Jordan, Taylor, Ivy
Bottom 3: Chisom, Omotosho, Foster (Alfieri was on here, but I’m not going to include him because he was out of position)
OSU vs. UNLV positional comparison
Offense
Passing- adv UNLV
Rushing- adv OSU
Receiving- adv UNLV
Run blocking- adv OSU
Pass blocking- adv UNLV
Defense
Run defense- adv UNLV
Pass rushing- adv UNLV
Coverage- adv UNLV
UNLV’s secondary is very good. Weakness on defense is run defense and tackling so we should be able to score some points. Defensive health is clearly the key to the game for us here.
Due to matchups, I don’t think this is as bad as it looks on paper. I’m going with a 10-point UNLV win in a high scoring game
38-28 UNLV
Just for fun, teams that are close to our level in record and SOS. Perception vs. reality is interesting. Anyone think we’d be ranked in the top 25 if we had won on Saturday?
6-0 teams
-#16 Indiana
5-1 teams
-#15 Boise State
-#19 Missouri
-Nebraska
4-2 teams
-Western Kentucky
-Coastal Carolina
-Buffalo
Anyone think we deserve to be ranked if we won Saturday?
Interesting that Nebraska isn’t ranked, given their “rich history” and national recognition of their brand.
It seems the B1G didn’t do anything to enhance that brand.
WSU is 5-1 with a single loss to ranked Boise State, and they didnt crack the top 25. Dont think OSU would have sniffed it either. (Nor should they)
WSU is getting screwed by the voters. They have a top 25 resume according to ESPN and their SOS and record is better than Michigan and others.
The path to a bowl game is still there. The team just has to lock in and play to the level that they truly can. Despite the atrocious defense, this past weekend is likely a win if not for the numerous turnovers.
Air Force is terrible and their only win on the year is Merrimack
Colorado State just beat SJSU and we are playing SJSU at home.
The path to a winning season is there, the team just has to take said path.
Also, the Reser home field advantage is legit at this point. Beavs are 20-3 at home since the 2021 season, with the three losses coming from:
1. Caleb Williams Heisman USC in 2022
2. National runner up UW and Heisman finalist Penix in 2023
3. The currently #2 ranked and 6-0 Oregon Ducks this season.
Those are definitely some respectable home losses. Let’s keep it that way, yeah?
This is an oddly fact-laden comment from you.
Are you feeling okay?
I always speak the facts. It’s just that you often don’t like to hear them.
No, just the 20-3 home record.
The rest is just your feelings about the transitive property of babble.
I’ll be rooting for Wazzu to win out, even against OSU for this year. It will be a curious situation to see how they are dealt with at 11-1. Although I already know that any 10-2 SEC or 10-2 Big10 team will get a playoff spot before WSU in the current scenario.
The deck is unfairly stacked against OSU/WSU, and the reality will hit at the end if there is a real claim to a spot, but the power brokers simply ignore it on subjective/conference affiliation data points.
There won’t be a real claim. A WSU team, even if they end up 11-1 can’t make a legitimate claim they are a top 12 team. Not with that schedule. Not when they got absolutely obliterated in Boise in their only matchup of the season against a team even resembling playoff caliber. This is the big issue now and going forward. There’s no path to a schedule that can be respected nationally. It may be able to build a program by dominating a weak league ala what Boise has done over the years. Hard to really get excited about that for me.
I’d like to hear your argument that OSU/WSU ever had a true path in the PAC because I don’t think they ever did.
It was always an unlikely path but not impossible. WSU won the conference a couple times and the Beavs were within one game a couple times. Those teams of 20+ years ago would be playoff teams if the current system was in place then. My comment above was specific to WSUs chances this year only, not necessarily that they have no chance at all going forward. Ironically, the path to the playoff for both OSU and WSU in the new PAC will actually probably be easier than the old PAC. They just need to go undefeated. So win your one tough game in the first 3 weeks against a power opponent and then run the table against the conference patsies. That’s an unlikely outcome year to year of course but easier than winning the league in the old Pac12 (As the Beavs proved by not winning it since the 60s). So anyone that wants to see the Beavs eventually make the CFB Playoff can rejoice. They actually do have a chance to do that if they hire a quality coaching staff. Anyone that wants to see big games against quality opponents throughout the regular season however will be disappointed.
I’d argue the path is far more open now than it’s ever been. WSU would have potentially made it once in the last 2 decades. OSU 0 times. The path is far easier now which is why I think it’s weird you’re complaining about it.
Big games throughout the regular season are and always have been overrated. Winning in the regular season is all that matters.
Of course you’re also ignoring that if 1-2 of the new PAC teams separate themselves (as Boise State has done in the MWC) they will be given credit even when they don’t go undefeated.
It remains to be seen if the new Pac can become relevant as a conference. I do think NIL has the potential to spread the talent around nationally and reduce the depth of some of the major programs. But until that happens, the Beavs are playing ALOT of uninteresting games against schools with virtually no history of significant success. As nice as it would be to have 9 wins minimum every year, it’s hard to get excited about these home games we’ll have at Reser.
Winning is always interesting. Losing is never interesting. Opponents mean less than nothing in that equation.
As Dennis Erickson said (paraphrasing), I need a tough game like I need a hole in the head
Win and Reser will be full and exciting. I’m still mad they played Oregon, least interning game on the schedule and the only one I basically skipped because I saw no point.
Except as a whole, the new Pac 12 will be quality conference play, enhanced by even more revenues than the shoestrings they’ve been working with.
I understand the logic involving paths, until you try to project it into the future… then deny you do so… then keep doing it… despite the knock-on effects being somewhat opposite to your conclusion.
Being the highest ranked conference champion will always be subjective. Winning the conference is not. Previously, we would have been excluded from any CFP (not that we had a chance during its era) or BCS, even if we won the conference. They would have found any reason to exclude smaller markets. They did it to Utah, Boise, and TCU—teams we all knew could beat the best in any conference in their best years. Cincinnati was an outlier. They just couldn’t find enough excuses that didn’t sound like, “They won’t make us as much money.”
Now, they simply don’t care about the excuses. It will be who makes them more money. But the random teams who catch lightning in a bottle will finally get to play the supposed relevant teams.
Enough “upsets” will occur that they’ll find some way to end it, since it destroys any of the bullshit relevance narratives. Can’t hold yourself to a higher level than others when they beat you. If you don’t play them, they can’t beat you.
Hard disagree on Utah, Boise State, or TCU being good enough to “beat the best in any conference” those years.
And we won’t be seeing many upsets in this playoff format, my guess is the team that will win would have been amongst the 4 under the current system 9 years out of 10. Probably 10 out of 10.
It’s just a hard disagree, then.
And yes, they will stack the odds in seeding, alone.
So not as many as should occur will occur. But they will still happen. Nobody was stopping us at the end of the 2000 season.
I think there is a better than 50% chance OSU would have been in that 4 team tournament in 2000.
In the new format, a team will need to win 3 or 4 games to win a national championship. The new goal for 90% of college football is to make the playoffs, and they will still be 3 wins from sniffing a national title. TCU had the greatest shot of any of them in the last 25 years to upset the apple cart and got destroyed.
Talent and money concentrated into 10 programs has destroyed any sense of an equal playing field. The playoffs are a giant mirage of competitive openness for the benefit of all. In reality it is the latest grift to reenergize tv money into fewer and fewer programs, under the guise of “expansion”. They know the SEC will demand 5 teams make it into the playoffs before they changed anything.
By rule, the Pac 10 had to send their highest BCS ranked team to their auto-qualified bowl, which is why UW got to play in the Rose Bowl. The rule changed from a tie-break that would send the team with the longest drought, a couple years prior, so… lodb.
They would have picked Miami over us for the 4th.
Remember that even VaTech was ahead of us in BCS rankings, as well. I seem to remember. UW was behind Miami, who UW beat h2h.
But it wouldn’t have been the BCS, it would have been a committee that had watched the roll OSU was on plus they’d be coming off a win over a 10-1 UO in the Civil War.
Maybe they get left out, that was a really weird year but we’re also ignoring the fact that moving the same scenario to today would have meant 2 of OSU/UO/UW would have played again.
Too many variables to really know. And honestly not even sure why I am in this debate. I hated the BCS and hate the CFP of any size but do think OSU has a better path today than they’ve ever had. That’s not to say it is automatic but the PAC winner should get in most years, OSU is likely to win the PAC more often than it even finished near the top of the PAC recently.
Yeah… no.
I do agree on the better path today.
We still have to win. But when we do, it is a better path.
New PAC has 3 teams in the Ken Pom preseason top 50 (4 if you include Memphis).
Old PAC has 3 teams in the Ken Pom preseason top 50.
Kwan with a rbi hit
This game won’t be close. UNLV by 24+
Bray said in the press conference they’re expecting to get a few guys back on defense. No long-term injuries. Sounds like DE situation is still thin as he was talking about Alfieri staying there, at least for some time.
UNLV 47 Beavs 24. Same old story. Beavs hang for a bit but UNLV never punts and scores at will. There’s a possibility UNLV scores 60 but I’m going to hope our ability to run clock keeps the score down a bit. I’m shocked Angry predicts a Beavs win here. Hope he’s right but doesn’t seem logical to me
Ben does not deserve to start McCoy is great and he had his best passing game 2 or 3 picks we’re not his fault pick six was ben is the reason the beavs had to comeback and he lost them the Washington game his games not bin great your just sa
The questions you want to answer over the course of multiple games regarding whether or not you should bench a QB are generally as follows:
Is your QB actively winning you games through their playmaking ability and actions?: You want the answer to this question to be yes, but it is not required for a QB to continue to start. See: Gulbranson in 2022, DJU last year, Luton. Game managers with a run first offense are adequate. The answer to this is no as of last game.
Is your QB actively causing you to lose through their actions?: I’d say, at least last game, that the answer to this is yes. This is not an insult towards McCoy because I do think he is less than 100%, which contributed to his poor game this last week, but he actively helped us lose the game. Three picks, one of which was a pick 6. He appears to be hobbled, and he also may have a finger injury, as he was shown in one of Makiya Tongue’s recent vlogs wearing a finger splint.
It was highly likely that McCoy won the starting job due to his dual threat capability. As of last game, he did not have that. If he continues to not have that after this next game, it will be time to make a change at QB.
Defense is a total liability, going to have to win a barn burner. Home field advantage for the Beavs gives them a slight edge.
52-49 Beavs in OT.
Vegas has the Beavs as 7.5 dogs at home
With that run D is domt blame them
Suntines I think I’d uh rathuh hep daddy dig uh new septic tank than put muhsef through an aftuhnoon uh that Beavuh defense….
Do we have to tolerate this racist bullshit?
Or do you all need me to go off on it being tolerated?
Go off on it Jack. Show all of us what a warrior you are.
Come on Jack, let it rip.
too easy, racist troll.
Oh come on big fella. Regale us with your howling at the moon.
Why, racist troll?
This is much more fun.
Nothing more?
No Holocaust jokes with “Jewish” stereotypes riddling it?
I know you have a couple of those handy.
That’s better. Now you’re on a roll. How about a little Russia Russia Russia.
Man you spin out of control so easy.
Russia?
Why would anyone bring up a shithole like that shithole?
You’re off topic, racist troll.
OSU football: Bray says defensive issues can be fixed
From the GT:
https://gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-defensive-problems-trent-bray/article_f4071d51-4ddd-56e5-89bf-061bc413e749.html?utm_source=gazettetimes.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnewsletter-templates%2Fdaily-headlines&utm_medium=cio&lctg=c8f30700ef31f031&tn_email_eh1=6f484d38acbf0c285db8a0bfca5a1416cb6b094a5559a1e4d5f654ac36bf442c
OSU football: Bray says defensive issues can be fixed
The pressure is on Oregon State coaches and players to patch up a run defense that has fallen apart in recent weeks.
Coach Trent Bray spent much of his Monday press conference talking about the issues the team has had with its run defense and he continues to believe many of the problems are self-inflicted.
“We’ve got to be more disciplined and detailed on the run fits. That’s really what it is. It’s the frustrating thing because it’s so simple, the fix is, but at the same time … we’ve got to do this. And so that’s going to be a big emphasis for us this week,” Bray said. “I think they’re just trying to do too much. You know, do your job and then run to the ball. It’s as simple as that.”
As an example, Bray mentioned plays where defenders push up the field at a moment when they should be maintaining their presence at the line of scrimmage. That vertical push is putting them out of position and creating open seams for opponents.
In particular, this can be an issue against mobile quarterbacks. Nevada’s Brendon Lewis took advantage of opportunities on Saturday and UNLV quarterback Hajj-Malik Williams is a similar threat.
Bray said these kinds of issues are the problem and it isn’t a matter of defenders being overwhelmed physically by the opponent.
In addition to the technique issues, Oregon State played without multiple key players on its defensive line in the loss at Nevada. Injuries kept starters Thomas Collins and Zakiah Saez out of the lineup, along with reserves such as Tevita Pome’e.
Bray said these are not viewed as long-term injuries and it’s more of a question of whether they will be back this week or next.
“Everyone … that’s not a season-ending injury, we’re hoping to get back this week,” Bray said. “Will it happen? You know, we gotta see Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday where they’re at exactly.”
But Bray also insisted that improvement has to happen no matter who is on the field.
“I mean, it’s just what it is. The guys that go in there, they’re on scholarship, too. and they’re here to do a job. And they gotta go out there and do their job. And we just gotta be disciplined in doing that work. It’s not a talent thing,” Bray said.
One of the players called on to play on the defensive line last week was tight end Andy Alfieri.
Bray said the coaching staff made that decision early in the week and Alfieri started working with the defensive players in Wednesday’s practice.
Selecting Alfieri to take on a defensive role was not a random decision. Bray said Alfieri was originally recruited by California as a defensive lineman and played on that side of the ball before making the switch to tight end.
“It wasn’t a new thing to him. It wasn’t foreign. And he’s a real smart, tough kid. So, it was easy to identify him as the guy that could do it because he’s had a history with it and he can handle it mentally,” Bray said.
Because of the current lack of depth on the defensive line, Bray said Alfieri will continue to be used in that role, in addition to his work as a tight end. Bray expects Alfieri to improve as he gets more practice and opportunity on the defensive line.
“I think he’s gonna help us a ton and and gonna do more of it as we move on,” Bray said.
Bray was the team’s defensive coordinator before moving into the head coaching position late last season. He was asked Monday if he intends to take on a bigger role with the defense.
Bray said he trusts defensive coordinator Keith Heyward and believes that he and the other defensive coaches can fix the problems. But he doesn’t think changing his approach now — he called it being half-in and half-out — would be helpful.
“I’m always helping, making comments and helping out. So I’m always involved in both sides of the ball, but … micromanaging to a certain degree I think can be actually more harmful,” Bray said.
Various excerpts on UNLV:
“The go-go offense is still novel, with its funky formations, confusing motion and deceiving play fakes.
The goal is to run so many plays, with so many playmakers, that defenses are overwhelmed no matter how many times they’ve seen it on film.
…“We specialize in volume,” Alexander says. “Like any great offense, once you establish that you have a lot of volume and inventory, then you start to move the pieces and plays around that are specific to the players that year, and also what the defense is giving you.”
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Haij-Malik Williams, QB: Matthew Sluka who? Since Sluka left a month ago over an NIL spat, Williams has soared in taking over UNLV’s quarterback position. Williams is a runner, but also a very efficient passer. The senior transfer from Campbell leads the Rebels with 325 rushing yards and two touchdowns. Through the air, Williams is 47 of 61 for 642 yards and nine touchdowns.
Ricky White III, WR: White will have Oregon State’s attention, as he leads the Rebels with 37 receptions for 526 yards and eight touchdowns. Last season, White became the first UNLV player since 1981 to earn AP All-American honors after amassing 88 receptions for 1,314 yards and seven touchdowns. Since transferring from Michigan State prior to the 2022 season, White has caught 146 passes for 2,254 yards and 19 scores for the Rebels.
(…Marion and the staff made a concerted effort to shore up the X-receiver position opposite White, with Texas transfer Casey Cain (6-foot-3) and Charlotte transfer Jaden Bradley (6-foot-4) providing a big targets down the field and in the red zone.)
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Jackson Woodard, LB: An Arkansas transfer prior to the 2023 season, Woodard had a team-high 117 tackles a year ago, second best in the Mountain West Conference. Woodard tops the Rebels with 57 tackles and eight tackles for losses through six games. Woodard also has a team-high three sacks, and tied for the team high with four interceptions.
Jalen Catalon, S: A senior transfer from Texas, Catalon has 45 tackles, and four interceptions this season.
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UNLV ranks fifth in the country in rushing yardage, averaging 262 yards a game. Oregon State’s defense is last among 134 FBS schools in rushing yards per carry, giving up 6.45 yards per play.
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UNLV is +12 in TO margin
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UNLV becomes bowl eligible with a win.
This could be an entertaining game with a healthy Beaver defense. But DC Heyward v. OC Marion Brenan, particularly w/D injuries, sounds like a disaster. The
I never expected Heyward to be this bad or for Bray to be so unwilling to intervene.
I wanted OSU to pursue the UNLV OC for their own OC vacancy, and will be curious to see how he does.
In other news, no surprise that NikeU and Lan Danning are the center of attention. I sounds like they cheated in a way to win the Ohio St game. Not much of a surprise but sending 12 men onto the field to provoke a flag and waste a down and time for Ohio St is not cheating, but it is gaming the system.
Some may applaud them for creativity but the spirit of the game is hurt by these clowns on a regular basis.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-mulling-in-season-action-after-oregons-controversial-late-game-situational-move-helped-ducks-beat-ohio-state-154542363.html
Chipster pushed the rules in his own way with the uptempo stuff and of course they were allowed to do it. So tired of seeing the ducks cheat and push the envelope of what is permissible, but always getting away with it. I contend they have been cheating for over 20 years just with the affiliation to Nike and now they get all of the perks as if they have been a power brand forever.
The contrast between Oregon St and NikeU on last Saturday was a bit tough to process, or accept.
Lanning is so dumb that he acknowledged and bragged about how they did it on purpose.
I have zero respect for this and it should be unsportsmanlike conduct and lead to a coaching suspension. Honest mistake is 1 thing, sending 12 out because you know you can burn clock is pathetic and exactly what I’d expect from the University of Oregon.
Going fast isn’t close to the same thing. And was not cheating.
Honestly I don’t think he’s that smart, I think it was a fluke that he happened to benefit from. And when someone pointed it out, he didn’ want to sound like a dipshit so he’s like, “oh, yeah, I totally had that planned.”
I disagree, because the entire system was geared to create a chaotic situation for the defense but it also created a decision for the refs in how quickly they made an effort to reset the ball at the line of scrimmage after any play. There was a definite sense of refs being caught up in the fray and not sure how to respond to the new offense, and they more than often were sprinting to set the ball as fast as they could to Nike’s advantage. In addition, a lot of rules have been implemented to allow for substitutions etc where at that time, it was usually just a penalty against the defense if they couldn’t sub guys out. Chips always played to the conditioning and preparation argument, but they pushed the accepted spirit of the rules, and took advantage, not to mention the “Goergetown effect” of holding on downfield blocking by their receivers, knowing that refs won’t call them all, and pretty much refused to call anything once they got rolling.
NikeU is institutionally committed to breaking the spirit of the rules, pushing the rules and outright mocking the sport for their benefit and it won’t change. It’s no wonder that Willie Taggart proved they blatantly break rules but apparently are too big to fail since NCAA did nothing about it.
If the play clock is running the offense should be allowed to snap the ball, period.
It’s not Chip’s fault the NCAA went from the 25 second clock set by the ref to a 40 second clock set by the previous whistle.
The rule will be changed. The hack has been done by other teams as well.
If you watched his offenses, the WRs who subbed in rarely came inside the numbers, and WRs from the previous play also remained on the boundary, with no subs.
Both are and were penalties.
Think I read in the Athletic this week that the university located in Eugene has $23M NIL in their wallet…contrast, indeed.
And Ohio State is supposed to be $20M+ as well. UO features key free agents at QB (Oklahoma? Okie state?), WR (T A&M), Safety (U Dawgs) Kicker (Oregon State). That game was as about as professional as NCAA football gets. Apparently Nike is selling special shoes to raise NIL money for UO.
Angry says OSU is high school football. I think it’s more accurate to say they’re trying to play the college game in a professional, free agent model.
CB, not safety….
Until there is a players union, system wide profit sharing and enforceable caps, this is effectively the English Premier League. If it’s all pure money and no cap, the smaller schools should at least get paid transfer fees when their players leave for bigger pay days.
I don’t see the problem. They used the rules to their advantage. It’s a bad rule.
I remember us having fun with a dropped kick onside kick several years ago against UCLA which was later found to not be a legal kick. If anything that’s one of the fun things about college football to me is teams finding creative ways to use the rules to their advantage.
But also, F*** the ducks
Intentionally gaming the system with 12 players to run out the clock is chicken shit nonsense.
Maybe, but if the Beavs did it to pull of a win we’d call ot savvy
I’m willing to admit that fan irrationality might make me defend it short term but long term I just couldn’t.
I thought it was chickenshit when the Patriots exploited it and would argue them doing so has now changed the rule in a way that hurts offenses overall (pre-snap penalty and no more free play in the NFL). Now college will go the same way.
Running hurry up all the time is unorthodox but teams have ran hurry up when needed for the entirety of the game, I’d argue that’s within the “spirit” of the game.
I’d even argue grabbing a guy to prevent a TD when you know you’re beat is within that “spirit”
But putting 12 guys on the field intentionally? Unless you’re playing by Canadian rules, it’s chickenshit and unsportsmanlike. I don’t want the Beavs to ever have that “savvy’ of a coach. Some things just cross the line in my opinion.
“I’m shocked Angry predicts a Beavs win here. Hope he’s right but doesn’t seem logical to me.”
It’s hard to get over the bias we’re historically the more prestigious school, even though rationally I know we’re not in that position anymore.
I would just chalk up home games as possible wins and road games as losses, until the D figures out what positions they need to play.
The O actually looks competent. Mistakes were made by coaches and QB. But they can play, if they stay with their strengths.
Any updates on Jam’s status? Allah os ok in the backup role, but it’s a significant drop off in abilities and general experience not having Jam out there at RB.
Also, I noticed Wells and Vincic were both in and out alot as center last week. Seems like the lack of consistency affected several snaps
Wells had a bum ankle and was trying to gut it out, but it only caused more problems especially when McCoy has hand issues and couldn’t be counted on to catch the snap for most of the game.
Beavs put the ball on the ground or bobbled the snap at least 6 times by my count, and the 4 ints weren’t great either. The last 2 games have been fairly disconcerting and quite choppy. But it also may be a simple matter of a lot of guys on the field due ot injury that wouldn’t normally be out there as much.
This defense reminds me of the year Riley had Brandon Hughes and Keenan Lewis both playing as freshmen and getting torched over and over until they figured it out as upperclassmen. Bray has a lot of talented underclassmen who want to be at OSU, and he has said as much. The challenge right now is they are seeing the field about a year before they should be due to the amount of turnover and injuries this year.
It will pay dividends in a year or 2 if they don’t get bought by other schools. In the current climate, I wouldn’t count on it though, which is also a frustrating reality we find ourselves in.
Just give it a bit to sink in. You think this past offseason was tough, wait until next year. Recruiting classes will be dropping… top 100 max. Decent players will be bought by P2 programs. Coaches won’t stick around. Crowds will diminish. University spending will be cut in half. Losing to Nevada and UNLV will become more common. Eventually the powers that be will destroy our program.
I already know all that and expected it this year. It sort of happened but, yes, not to the full capacity.
You seem to think players aren’t replaceable or able to develop.
Odd absence of thought.
Other than your argument being smashed by a simple thought, good talk.
Jack, you’re correct to some extent but there are limits. Go to almost any college at any level and you will see player development. The programs that do it best are typically competitive at their level of competition. Those that develop and combine that with the best talent, win championships… at the level they play in. What makes the Beavs circumstances different is that they are getting pushed down to a lower level of competition and it will impact fan interest, budgets, recruiting, etc. Sure we can replace players and develop them but we’ll never compete at the highest level again in football. Our new reality is losing more often to the likes of Nevada, SJSU, SDSU, UNLV, Wyoming, etc. Losing to Portland State at Providence Park in a few years may be as likely as beating Boise State in any given year
Watching Army and Navy beat this trope into the ground has been pretty fun this year.
I know this comment will be unpopular but a lot of opinions on this site are. For years I have loathed the ducks, and the publicity they receive. Thanks to Uncle Phil they have had obscene amounts of money invested into their athletic facilities and marketing budgets. Since the Riley Rosebowl near miss years the two programs have been on different trajectories. We as Beav fans continue to gripe that we don’t receive equal billing that we are always portrayed in the media as the little brother. Last weekend was the combination we all despise, our beloved Beavs losing to what we consider an unworthy opponent and the Ducks managing to beat a blue blood in primetime on national TV. The combination of the two events caused the very simple following thought to occur “you get what you pay for” the ducks are simply seeing a return on their investment. We can debate whether or not it is a good ROI, but at the end of the day they paid a lot and now they are reaping the rewards. If the Beavs had invested the same amount and were receiving the treatment we always have it would be a different argument. Unfortunately we haven’t and now we must suffer everything that is UO or find new hobbies such as Angry has. Good on you Angry for taking up bees and biking.
I have watched 10 minutes of Ducks this year, and that was the game that OSU shouldn’t have scheduled.
It’s actually really easy to ignore the Ducks. Hell, I’ve ignored all of college football this year.
Youngorst you are right. I’ve pretty much ignored college football this year as well except for the Beavs (recorded the last game and haven’t brought myself to watch it). College football is ruined pretty much for me.
My wife (a Duck) wouldn’t pay for Peacock for the one game this year.
She was insistent, almost insulted, when I asked if she was sure.
The Ducks are getting relatively a hell of a lot less than we pay for, and I agree we’re getting what we pay for.
If you want to wear grellow as a champion, sport some NDSU gear.
Otherwise, stfu. You’re just another loser.
Why are you constantly so volatile unless people consistently say positive and only positive things about the state of the OSU athletics program? My god, chill out.
Volatile?
Are you broken?
The Ducks have spent gobs and had no returns, other than hype.
They are constant also-rans.
They hold the record for the most off-season championships in the history of mankind, barely beating out a recently surging Texas A&M.
If you want to sport grellow as an actual champion, buy some NDSU gear.
I think you are correct Ronix. Ignore Jack. I have a good friend that has some types of vendor contracts with both OSU and NikeU. He said it is night and day difference between the two athletic departments just in how the daily tasks for vendors are handled. He said NikeU is basically run as a Fortune 500 company with attention to detail everywhere, including small things like mid-week vendors. Meanwhile the OSU campus is obviously understaffed, not really aware of vendor type administrative items, and seems very disorganized and on a shoestring budget in comparison to how things run in Eugene.
We are in the first year of the decline, and about 20 years into the fork in the road between the initiative and purpose exhibited form each school. OSU has lost the skirmish, battle and war. I don’t really expect a comeback given the inertia of the current power structure arrayed against OSU and the lack of a highly investe billipnaire alum who makes it his mission to set things right all by himself. Huang isn’t that guy, nor is Wes Edens. I don’t know if there are other OSU alums worth billions, but I don’t see it happening if they didn’t step forward after last year.
I’ve heard Sara Elcano interviews – she sounds competent – maybe she needs help, in which case the long list of coaches, analysts and other personnel I didn’t realize football teams needed might be utjlized. and, how many vendors do you need/want? After listening to Elcano talk about what people want at football games, music choices are jmportant as well as food, the game seems almost irrelevant. Wilner had an article in the O abt how the departed pac12 teams are doing – not well but no regrets because they are getting xposure. And he alluded to Oregon State’s descending.
It’s just about the money.
FOX/ESPN (B1G/SEC) have drawn the line in the sand, regardless if the “super-league” happens in the near future or not.
If you want to be in the Power 4, you’re gonna have to be able to spend $150m+ annually on athletics. When the NCAA settlement kicks-in, take that up to $200m.
B1G/SEC are the only schools that are currently able to do that, even the least successful football programs and athletics departments in the B1G/SEC are all spending over $100m this year. There are only a few in the ACC/B12 that can punch in that weight-class.
Ohio State, Texas, Michigan, Alabama, and Penn State are all spending around $300m this year, they are also all bringing in the same or more than that in revenue so it isn’t really a problem for them.
OSU/WSU are spending roughly $85m, heavily subsidized by Pac-12 assets and funding from the Universities because we don’t make hardly any money. We simply cannot compete financially with those schools. The NCAA and conferences used to pretend to be the governing bodies that tied the haves and the have-nots together, because the intention and objective was regional and amateur collegiate athletics, but that time in history has come to pass and it’s onto the new paradigm (national and professional collegiate athletics).
If OSU/WSU want to play with the “Power 4”, and pay their athletes $25m/year, they have to find a source for $100m+ in annual cash infusion from private donors or they can’t even come close, there’s simply no way around the financial reality. Without a mega-donor like Jensen stepping up it’s essentially impossible.
Maybe that’s why they are doing the dirty work now to rebuild the Pac-12 with likeminded schools that are all in similar situations. Passionate regional fan-bases that can easily out-spend the rest of the G6 but can’t really even come close to the Power 4.
Not really my experience working with Nikegon or volunteering at the Mo.
But I also don’t have relative experience with OSU in the same ways, so I can’t speak to that in any ways other than what I hear from friends and experience for myself on gamedays.
There is no night and day. There’s more money, absolutely. But the people doing work are simply working.
A similar comparison could be made of OSU and Nikegon in academic grants, with the narrative being steered in the other direction, despite Nikegon actually having a billionaire step forward to enhance that aspect.
They are so far behind, but it doesn’t magically mean they are irrelevant or insignificant. It just means they’re good at what they do, and that’s all that can be asked of them.