The job of a manager is to put players in a position where they are most likely to succeed. Tyler Waldron was not the most likely to succeed in today’s environment. The guy had a marred history as a starter, and was shaky at best as a reliever. That was a piss-poor decision by the coaches.
Boyd was the choice. He was the Beavers best pitcher this year. It seems odd to say that, but he was the one guy who consistently executed his pitches in the clutch while also grasping the mental component of the game. A crafty and heady pitcher, to say the least. That the coaches did not pitch him today is a let down to the team, fans, and conference as a whole. Had Boyd started I think the Beavers would be playing the night cap right now for a chance at redemption. Instead, they are on a plane over the Midwest. That idiomatic phrase about it taking a few bad apples to ruin a good thing…we saw it play out today, and Pat Casey has to be number one on the blame list.
His post game comment:
“Tyler was absolutely the perfect match-up for eight right-handed hitters that struggle with breaking balls,” Casey said.
A. Clearly he wasn’t the perfect match up.
B. Clearly they don’t struggle with breaking balls…or…
C. Maybe the stats Pat based his decision on are skewed. Unless you watch FA every day there is no way to know the information necessary to make that call, thus:
D. You pitch your best pitcher, not your best match up.
A further comment by Casey:
“The thing that’s discouraging a little bit is, in my opinion, we’re a much better team than Florida Atlantic, and then we spot them eight runs. That part to me is extremely disappointing.”
Perhaps Pat is forgetting that the manager and coaches are part of a team as well, and Florida Atlantic’s staff outshone the Beaver’s. Also, the quote above is so lame and embarrassing from a sportsmanship perspective. It shows how egotistical and delusional this guy is. Maybe he suffers from Tony Larussa syndrome, playing the obscurity card and desperately hoping it works out so he looks like a genius. Sad.
Sounds like another baserunning error ran them out of an inning that had potentiala also. Never heard of a guy getting forced out at second on a ball that hits the left field wall. Do you blame the players or the coaches or both?
Also, yes,I cannot stand it when coaches say they were the better team after a loss….I mean obviously that was not the case…YOU LOST!
You have to blame both.
Coaches=fundamentals
Players=instincts
Both fail too often. If I were a coach and noticed my team had no natural instincts or feel for the game, I’d simulate these things in practice until they became second nature.
so keep doing what you do best: _____ _____ _____
I’ll leave you to fill in the blanks!
Bang your mom
Ah yes, because coaches do no wrong.
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=231016110
lol @ your argument.
Perhaps you should watch the movie Zodiac, where a cartoonist solves the most infamous unsolved case in US history. lol lol lol @ your argument.
I think what Pat Casey meant by his statement was that he felt that we were not at our potential today and we gave them the runs to win the game. Basically he’s saying we lost the game for ourselves and beat ourselves. It would have been nice to hear him say something like, “They executed better baseball today than we did and we didn’t learn from our loss in yesterday’s game against the Florida Gators.” That would have been a bit more tolerable. The fact is he didn’t and I think he feels that his club didn’t come to out to play their best and in result allowing Florida Atlantic the win.
But playing your best is part of being the better team. You can never make the argument that you had the better team if you lose. The Beavers played their best game possible with the players Pat Casey put on the field, and they lost, so they are in inferior team. The only way this isn’t true is if you suggest they purposely threw the game, or Pat Casey didn’t put the correct players on the field. The latter is true, and why the loss is frustrating. If Boyd pitched this game and we lost, I wouldn’t have said a word.
When you try to play better matchups rather than better players you open yourself to criticism.
What is any sport designed to do in any situation…create the better matchups. Would you say that by playing the outfield shallow vs. deep on a fly ball pitcher a mistake? That seems to me to be the better argument than the pitching. There were only a handful if that of HR’s it was the doubles and triples that killed the beavs with balls into the outfield out deep(worded poorly i know).
Also in football, wouldn’t you want your QB to audible to a pass if you saw that a linebacker were covering your slot receiver? The same concept applies. Match-ups is the key to the sport and Casey thought that Tyler Waldron would get the job done for them when he was obviously also having a bad day just like the starter did against Florida. Once the reliever got in it was almost lights out. I think also the fact that the beavs were able to put up 7 runs after being behind 8 in the what 1st inning or something? That’s 2 games in a row the starter did not perform at their best. You can’t use his season pitching against him in the post-season because it’s a different situation. Especially with the playoffs on the line. I just think Tyler choked under the pressure.
You can’t blame Casey for trying to create a match-up then turn around and say if this pitcher had been put in, we would have had a better chance….maybe he wanted to give Tyler a chance to boost his confidence(which obviously backfired) and also give him experience in the post season. After losing to Florida the game was a wash in my eyes. This team was not on the same level as the 06 nor 07 team. Every team is different and every game is different.
No it doesn’t quite work like that unless the playing field is even. If Tyler Waldron were a good to excellent pitcher you’d have a valid argument, but he struggled as a starter every chance he was given, was shaky in relief of late, and simply didn’t warrant getting that start. The only reason he received it was (a) RHP and (b) according to stats, FA struggles versus RHP. Forget Pat Casey: would you give the ball to Tyler Waldron in that game? And if so, why?
Continuing…when your season is on the line you go with your best player. Just like in an NBA or NCAA basketball game, you always want your star player taking the final shot. Just like the Yankees put in Mariano Rivera in the 9th. Are you saying they should play the 9th as lefty/righty until the final out is recorded? That is absurd.
Granted, the Beavs did not have a star pitcher on the bench, but Matt Boyd has shown over and over that he is a crafty, heady pitcher who simply performs in the clutch (e.g. Utah, Oregon) and gets key outs. He is at the very least a good pitcher. That he happens to throws with his left hand is not a good enough reason for me to accept our season being over.
Another grip: Tanner Robbels should have started game 2. Ironically, he would have been a much better matchup versus Florida. He’d make them uncomfortable in the box with his wildness. Sam G is a strike throwing machine. Those guys were comfortable; it was like batting practice for them. Tanner hasn’t been great, but he was the better matchup there. It’s not second guessing; I was thinking this before the game. I just crossed my fingers Sam G would throw a game like the week before, but that is a once in a lifetime performance. The irony in this whole thing is that Pat Casey didn’t play the matchup in this case and went with his hot hand. IMO that was bad, but more understandable and thus more forgivable.
On a side note, can anyone find how many HR’s have been hit in this year’s regionals and by which team?
Just trying to see how the old Beavs power (2 HR’s?) holds up against all these other teams. Didn’t a guy for Florida hit 3 himself vs. FAU?
It doesn’t mean everything, as the two championship teams proved, but man…does it help.
Just perusing today’s starting lineup for Coastal Carolina, and noticed they have 1 Guy, ONE GUY< batting under .300 and it's not much below.
6 of the 9 guys have double digit HR's, one of the 3 that don't has 9.
Oregon State, after two National Championships can't get these kind of kids?
I guess they must commit about 6 errors a game huh?
Again, it's not everything, but they don't seem to have anything else that is really top notch at this time. Would be nice to know if you give up 7 runs in one inning, that the game isn't over.
Even the College of Charleston’s team BA and HR’s would shame the Beavers. Coastal Carolina and the College of Charleston.
Come on. Now I’m just depressed.
5 of Coastal’s 8 runs through 4 courtesy the long ball.
2 of CC’s 6 runs.
Man, it must be nice to know you have that possibility at any moment…
Make that 4 of CC’s 8. Back to back solo shots in the bottom of the 7th.
I just looked at the Coastal Carolina schedule. It explains a lot of the numbers. Though, I’m sure they have hitters who are better than Michael Miller or Andy Quiring. OSU does a horrible job of parlaying wins into recruiting success. This is across all sports. The baseball team did land top 25 classes, but a lot of those guys left for the draft. This happens to all top 25 classes, though, so I’m not sure why it seems to kill OSU more.
They can’t reload like the others. Florida I believe had a stable of productive Freshman…some of these schools just keep getting them. Oregon state had the perfect storm a few years ago. They still weren’t a GREAT hitting team like the LSU’s of the world.
I still think, schedule aside (Florida Atlantic probably didn’t play a great schedule either, hit OSU pretty good) that both those schools can hit. Coastal is hosting a regional, and Charleston was the #2.
Now it’s on to South Carolina for Coastal and another state of SC matchup (5 teams from that state in regionals. Insane).
I’m feeling pretty good about having Wetzler next year.
http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonlive/2010/06/wetzler_pitches_clackamas_to_t.html
Got some news for hoops.
http://orangeexpress.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/daniel-gomis-commits-to-the-beavs/
I’m trying to confirm it, but I think I’m on the bottom of the food chain right now. He’s probably busy fielding calls and other emails from the paid media types.
It’s confirmed.
Sounds really raw…probably a 3-star prospect at this point, right?
I need to see a video to confirm his level of play. When I corresponded with David Bashore (Times-News reporter) about three months ago, he said that Gomis was only a little rough in the half-court set. It was probably because he wasn’t quite comfortable taking a shot unless he was on the move. But when he was on the move, he was something special. I have a feeling the back door offense is going to treat him well. Bashore also said that his defense is elite, and his transition game is spectacular. His only comparison was to Carrick Felix at Southern Idaho (JUCO).
So that’s what I hear. Now I want to see.
What I like reading is that he blocked 10 shots in one game. That is a skill (often overlooked) that the team lacks.
YAY! He’s going to Oak Hill next year. That means he’s not a prep (post high school) player. If he has any weaknesses, Coach Smith and their schedule will remove them.
It also means other schools will be after him big time. Question is now if we hold on to him ala Carson.
A couple things are going against other schools. They’ve already been talking to him (Kansas, UW and Arizona have all been recruiting him). He tucked himself away in Sun Valley because he didn’t want to play the recruiting game until the summer, but he discovered that they find you if you have talent. He’s a year older than the normal recruit. I’m not saying that age gives him maturity, but the international kids seem to have a little more maturity and a sense of honor when committing to something.
This doesn’t mean the slime pits of the NCAA recruiting scene won’t try to poach him. But it does mean they may have a very hard time getting in his head before the early signing period.
“international kids seem to have a little more maturity”
This is true with Europeans, not sure about Senegal…
“He’s a year older.”
True.
There’s a lot of ammo for negative recruiters. It worked on Carson, so any time we get an early commit I worry. Though, in retrospect, I’m glad Carson is going elsewhere.
THERE ARE NO ‘MANAGERS’ IN COLLEGE BASEBALL!!!!!
Pat Casey is the head coach of OSU Baseball. Once again…proving to everyone how clueless you are.
You are hereby nominated for the ‘most useless and inane
semantic game posing as a blogpost comment’ award.
You’re in the running with one guy who wrote a paragraph on another blog about how total cloud cover constituted ‘sky’ and made incorrect the term ‘the sky is blue’ because of its over-generalization.
But don’t get too excited. Vegas odds say that talking head/entertainer Sarah Palin will win it for one of any number of Facebook posts.
“in the traditional sense, managers are those who make the tactics (long-term and short-term), organise the match-day strategy, buys players, scouts players and selects the team on match-day, makes the substitutions, drops players etc. basically they’re in ‘charge’ of the team players and staff.
a coach is one who trains the team, i.e. fitness, skills, strength conditioning etc. they are pretty much like ‘trainers’. A coach may be involved in team selection but they will never have any ‘managerial’ responsiblities outside the pitch.”
You’re an idiot. He is clearly a manager.
So…Waldron in the 5th? 4-6 and a 6 ERA get’s you the fifth round huh?
Wow, the whole staff has been drafted practically. Proof there are too many rounds in baseball I think. Even guys that didn’t pitch. They just drafting dudes that didn’t go in HS, just banking that they’ll still be good…why not when you have a friggin’ hundred picks and more that can just try out on the half a dozen farm teams your club has.
Some are pretty late rounders, but still. Would you stay? Who stays and who goes is the next guess. Which new recruits stick with the Beavs and which go? It has to suck for Casey, that is for sure (as it does I’m sure for any Coach).
I think MLB should have a registration for the draft like the other sports. You either give up your amateur status and register Or you don’t register, and you’re not picked.
Agreed.
Here’s what I have through 13 rounds:
Name, Round (Overall) Team
* – Beav LOI signee
*D Vettleson – 1A (42) TB
T Waldron – 5 (147) PIT
*I Kendall – 5 (161) TB
G Peavey – 6 (182) NYM
K Sitton – 7 (230) COL
J Osich – 7 (234) LAA
T Robles – 9 (277) CIN
K Rhoderick – 9 (280) CHC
*J Rodriguez – 11 (354) LAA
S Romero – 12 (372) SEA
*B Drury – 13 (404) ATL
Whereabouts is the place draftees start thinking about staying in school to up their draft status?
Anyone after round 16 is definitely coming back. Round 10 has an average signing bonus of around 90k with 65k the low end. Is that life changing? It depends on the draftee. I’d imagine that round is the tipping point and depends on maturity, family (economic) history, etc.
In other words, everyone but Vettleson would do better taking out an insurance policy and playing another year to improve their stock. Of course it won’t play out that way, but that’s probably what all should do barring any financial catastrophe where they need the money now.
Ben Wetzler just went in the 15th (450) to Cleveland.
Adam Duke just went in the 16th (503) to Boston
I think 16 is a good cut-off point. There are too many rounds in the MLB draft. I heard somewhere that players want to be in the top half (rounds 1-15) in order to consider hitting the minors.
We might get lucky with Rodriguez and Drury, but damn Tampa Bay for scouting the NW so well. I wasn’t expecting Kendall to go so soon.
I haven’t seen Boyd’s name called. So I’m happy about that.
No Gaviglio either.
I am a little perturbed that Osich was taken so early though. I would like to see him here next year.
Kinda of crazy given his OSU stats and the injury.
He was drafted last year and didn’t go. I’m guessing he does the same, tries to put together a season, then goes next year.
The Ducks recruiting class was just decimated. They lost five players in the early rounds.
The good news for them is that I think only one of their current roster was picked somewhere around the end of the 12th or 13th round.
That wasn’t a slam on the Ducks. I think they were a good team this year, and not breaking up that team could be bad for the rest of the Pac 10.
Stop drafting Beavers dammit! It is funny though, stars from the championship years are already out of baseball. It is a little like winning the scratch off and thinking the powerball is next. Not that easy. Stay get your damn degree!
And they blow their college careers by leaving and most won’t finish their educations. Those that don’t even show up for College ball probably waste a good chance to get better (on TV too, if they go to the CWS) and get educated. I know the money is tough to pass if you are drafted high enough, but how much is a good education worth for 4 or 5 years tuition? If you are going to Stanford? Wake? or Duke? Something like that is worth a lot of cash.
You get better facilities and benefits at a lot of college programs that you don’t even get in the Minors I’d guess. Culture needs to change. The growing popularity of the CWS helps. Would be nice if ESPN would actually show some College Baseball once in a while prior to the CWS!
I just wish the big league teams would say to the college right handers who throws in the high eighties….look you may make it to AA if you are lucky, but we need bodies to fill these rosters so that is why we took you in the 19th round….here is your 60k…that should last you two years! Thanks for playing!
That’s what is going on most of the time. I’m sure a guy pans out here and there. I know Mike Piazza was a really low round draft pick.
Piazza was a really low pick as a favor to his father.
How’s that for panning out?
USC decision to be announced tomorrow.
Here’s my prediction:
USC will have to vacate all football wins from 2004 and 2005 which occurred in the months of March, April or May. They will lose 2.37654 scholarships per year over 2.37654 years. Monte Kiffin will be given a wet noodle, and the NCAA will ask him ever so politely if he wouldn’t mind if he might possibly do them the courtesy of maybe whacking his son with the noodle… please.
Here’s what I think should happen:
Reggie Bush is retro-actively made ineligible, and USC vacates all wins in which he participated. They lose 10 scholarships per year over three years and five per year for two additional years. At minimum, they will not be allowed to participate in post season play for three years… I would like four years. And the hoops team loses one more scholarship and one more year of post season play.
“At minimum, they will not be allowed to participate in post season play for three years”
This would be a very bad for OSU. Remember, we share revenue and USC goes to BCS games.
We get a BCS bowl every year regardless. USC gets the second one if they win. My wont for OSU to go to a BCS bowl pushes USC down the list, and OSU beating USC means others may do it as well.
I’d have to think every HS player not offered 250k or more will play for the Beavs. Anything less than that is not worth forgoing a free education and doesn’t set you up for life. Even 250k doesn’t set you up for life in this day and age, but it is an enticing enough start that some will take the bait.
Exactly and you have to figure taxes takes it down to 180k or something and then most of them have to buy that new car so figure another 30k and you are left with 150k, not a very good trade off verses a paid for 4 year degree.
What are the stats? Less than 5% make it to the majors.? Most end up coaching a HS baseball team for 20k a year, but it is hard to be rational about a dream.
Compain all you want about Waldron, but the dude had been pitching great up until that debacle in the first inning. Most of our starting pitching this year was actually pretty good with ERAs in the 3s. That’s usually good enough to advance in the tournament, but our fielding was problematic at times and hitting was atrocious. The teams that advance are usually good at all 3, not just one or two of the three.
Also, i think the draft will continue to kill us. Seems like the perennial NCAA powerhouses have enough of a draw (location, facilities, tradition, etc.) to attract some top level talent even when they’re drafted in the top 5 rounds out of high school. OSU has Corvallis, OR, and cold wet springs to look forward to. That will always be a handicap for OS. The sad reality is that its amazing OS is competitive in any of the big sports, let alone all of them (basketball notwithstanding).
Waldron wasn’t exactly pitching great. I’m too lazy to go look up his stats in relief down the stretch. I’ll be fair: he had some good moments. But he gave up more runs than you probably think. I’d imagine his era the past month was around 4.5. That is just a guess.
Also, he was bombed as a starter earlier in the year. Having pitched myself, it’s a different mindset. You can’t assume the roles are interchangeable. Pat Casey knows this, though. He went with a matchup and he paid for it. So did we. And so did the reputation of our conference.