Notes: Extraordinary body control and hands. Good speed. uncanny ability to get open. high football i.q & winning h.s. program. Staying healthy will be his biggest d1 challenge.
Honestly he reminds me a little bit of James Rodgers. The only difference at this point would be he is more polished as receiver. He should be a 4 star as you have him Angry he has loads of talent. He may not be as strong as James but he sure has the ability to breakaway from a defender and put some moves on them. Zimmerman, Cooks, Mullaney and Trosin this class of WR is loaded.
An awesome talent…who will be buried at his position in the depth charts for about 2-3 years before we even see a peep from him. By then, his talents will be squandered.
And yet we don’t find it prudent to get any offensive linemen.
Angry that’s ludicrous. The Beavers have a phenomenal staff they always make the smart decisions on the depth chart. Just look at the O Line in 2010 I mean……oh wait terrible example lol
My pet peeve is less the prospect of the same guys starting, and more the fact that their performance is treated as acceptable.
Riley needs to make it very clear that every single O-line position will be an aggressive open competition come spring. If the same guys get the spots, well, the cupboards look pretty bare from my seat. Maybe those are actually the best guys, sad as that may be.
But the point is that Riley needs to make it crystal clear that the 2011 O-line must and will improve. I haven’t heard ANYTHING along those lines- no expectations, no goals, not even hopes for next year. I don’t care if JUCO O-linemen have bad habits- bring em in just to scare the incumbents into shaping up! It would push them to work and improve over the offseason to keep their spots. Instead, they can count on starting because they’re all seniors. That’s the awful part.
I know it’s not Apples for Apples, but being that I follow the Huskers I can see the philosphy differences and it’s massive. Sure they landed several skill 4 Star skill guys, but look at their O-line recruits. FOUR-4 Star O-line recruits. They know what they need, especially going into Big 10 play.
It’s not that we don’t get the 4* guys. It’s that we had a couple years when the couple 3* and underrated 2* kids we recruited didn’t actually end up here. We got beat out for some. We lost some to grades. We lost a couple to LDS missions. And injuries took the rest.
Some of those 4* guys will not pan out. Some will be stars. The same is true of the 2* and 3* guys. And when you’re as good at evaluating and developing talent as our coaches are, that’s where a rating difference is meaningless. Some will succeed, and some will fail no matter what onlookers think should happen with them.
Another thing to consider is why some of these kids make the cut to be a 4* or above when they’re a trench position. A lot of D-1 schools rightly take conditioning these kids seriously. Some of them worked to get a scholarship by using alternative methods to give them an edge. When they get to college, they find that the culture makes it less likely that they get away with what they did in high school. Their conditioning habits sans alternative methods take over, and they become the 2* athletes they were always meant to be.
That’s why I was really excited to get Enger, Andrews and Beaton in the class two years ago. I like getting really good linemen who are just underweight. I like having guys who look like they’re normal people instead of some chemical freak.
But I don’t like getting linemen who are not good and expecting them to become something good through the same process. The odds are considerably greater when you have to teach someone HOW to be a linemen and then teach them all the little nuances of the position.
I don’t think the fact that the current OL are listed atop the 2-deep necessarily means Riley is handing them all their spots back on a platter. Most likely we’ll see the same crew, but hopefully someone new will make a leap and supplant one or more of these guys.
I hope the current crop of OL is focusing on getting bigger. Even some of the guys that got quite a few stars (like Enger and Sopulo) are listed at around 260 lbs. The OG’s were like 275 this year. I think it is an issue of not being the correct size to play Pac-10 O-line. I think guys can add 20 pounds it just takes a ton of hard work. I mean look at Remmers… he is a solid 300 now and he didn’t come in even close to that.
Scout listed him at 220 his senior year of HS. I wish we had offered Adam Klefner a scholarship instead of a preferred walk on… oh well. Part of the problem is only the top schools are getting college sized O-linemen and DT’s. Most schools have to take kids and hope they can add the weight, which isn’t always a given.
I really don’t care where Trosin plays. He will be a factor anywhere he ends up. And I’m pretty sure Riley and Co. will be pushing for his brother next year. Tanner is another Poyer-like athlete who can do it from anywhere.
The two of them make for a spectacular tandem in the defensive backfield. Tyler’s size and skill remind me a lot of Eric Weddle, so I don’t think it would be a waste to play him at S… CB, yes. But I can see him being a QB on defense.
His hands are too good to be wasted on D, especially in our system where the CB never gets a chance to make a play on the ball. That would neutralize one of his greatest strengths.
He’d be devastating in the slot. I think the plan should be to redshirt him, wait for some of the fantastic talent ahead of him to graduate, then put him in the slot. That is the one problem with him playing WR is there is a log jam, so he might not play until his sophomore year.
As far as safety…he seems to small, and there’s a lot of talent at that position as well.
His brother looks a bit undersized but seems to have some of that Kellen Moore savvy in him. I can’t see Riley going for a QB like that.
Both brothers are 6’+ with Tyler a hair over and Tanner about an inch taller. Tyler weighs in at a solid 185 and Tanner at 175.
Tanner will play QB next year, but his skills are the same as Poyer–speed, ball skills, etc. The two of them combined for the INT that changed the game in the CIF D-II bowl against Serra.
Like I said, Tyler will likely be a star anywhere he plays. But if he plays on D, I would rather have him directing traffic and playing downhill.
I played against trosin when we were juniors. I was ss gaurding him. Didn’t work out to well for me.. This kid is a freak and is gunna make it big.. For his hands and his route running… Natural stud
Honestly he reminds me a little bit of James Rodgers. The only difference at this point would be he is more polished as receiver. He should be a 4 star as you have him Angry he has loads of talent. He may not be as strong as James but he sure has the ability to breakaway from a defender and put some moves on them. Zimmerman, Cooks, Mullaney and Trosin this class of WR is loaded.
Yes, all the 4-stars in this class are at WR.
Notice how successful NFL teams like the Patriots rarely overpay for a WR? It’s not that important of a position.
Need DL/OL.
True, they do. If they can get some decent OL and DL to end this class then I will be excited about the future of the program.
An awesome talent…who will be buried at his position in the depth charts for about 2-3 years before we even see a peep from him. By then, his talents will be squandered.
And yet we don’t find it prudent to get any offensive linemen.
I’m stewing and will be for months that the staff plans to start the same OL in 2011. Gives me no hope at all for next year.
Angry that’s ludicrous. The Beavers have a phenomenal staff they always make the smart decisions on the depth chart. Just look at the O Line in 2010 I mean……oh wait terrible example lol
My pet peeve is less the prospect of the same guys starting, and more the fact that their performance is treated as acceptable.
Riley needs to make it very clear that every single O-line position will be an aggressive open competition come spring. If the same guys get the spots, well, the cupboards look pretty bare from my seat. Maybe those are actually the best guys, sad as that may be.
But the point is that Riley needs to make it crystal clear that the 2011 O-line must and will improve. I haven’t heard ANYTHING along those lines- no expectations, no goals, not even hopes for next year. I don’t care if JUCO O-linemen have bad habits- bring em in just to scare the incumbents into shaping up! It would push them to work and improve over the offseason to keep their spots. Instead, they can count on starting because they’re all seniors. That’s the awful part.
I know it’s not Apples for Apples, but being that I follow the Huskers I can see the philosphy differences and it’s massive. Sure they landed several skill 4 Star skill guys, but look at their O-line recruits. FOUR-4 Star O-line recruits. They know what they need, especially going into Big 10 play.
It’s not that we don’t get the 4* guys. It’s that we had a couple years when the couple 3* and underrated 2* kids we recruited didn’t actually end up here. We got beat out for some. We lost some to grades. We lost a couple to LDS missions. And injuries took the rest.
Some of those 4* guys will not pan out. Some will be stars. The same is true of the 2* and 3* guys. And when you’re as good at evaluating and developing talent as our coaches are, that’s where a rating difference is meaningless. Some will succeed, and some will fail no matter what onlookers think should happen with them.
Another thing to consider is why some of these kids make the cut to be a 4* or above when they’re a trench position. A lot of D-1 schools rightly take conditioning these kids seriously. Some of them worked to get a scholarship by using alternative methods to give them an edge. When they get to college, they find that the culture makes it less likely that they get away with what they did in high school. Their conditioning habits sans alternative methods take over, and they become the 2* athletes they were always meant to be.
That’s why I was really excited to get Enger, Andrews and Beaton in the class two years ago. I like getting really good linemen who are just underweight. I like having guys who look like they’re normal people instead of some chemical freak.
But I don’t like getting linemen who are not good and expecting them to become something good through the same process. The odds are considerably greater when you have to teach someone HOW to be a linemen and then teach them all the little nuances of the position.
I don’t think the fact that the current OL are listed atop the 2-deep necessarily means Riley is handing them all their spots back on a platter. Most likely we’ll see the same crew, but hopefully someone new will make a leap and supplant one or more of these guys.
I hope the current crop of OL is focusing on getting bigger. Even some of the guys that got quite a few stars (like Enger and Sopulo) are listed at around 260 lbs. The OG’s were like 275 this year. I think it is an issue of not being the correct size to play Pac-10 O-line. I think guys can add 20 pounds it just takes a ton of hard work. I mean look at Remmers… he is a solid 300 now and he didn’t come in even close to that.
Scout listed him at 220 his senior year of HS. I wish we had offered Adam Klefner a scholarship instead of a preferred walk on… oh well. Part of the problem is only the top schools are getting college sized O-linemen and DT’s. Most schools have to take kids and hope they can add the weight, which isn’t always a given.
People are talking about Trosin at DB. I think that would be a criminal waste of ability. This guy needs to play in the slot.
It’s also a joke that the recruiting services have him at 2 stars.
Star ratings are once again a joke.
I really don’t care where Trosin plays. He will be a factor anywhere he ends up. And I’m pretty sure Riley and Co. will be pushing for his brother next year. Tanner is another Poyer-like athlete who can do it from anywhere.
The two of them make for a spectacular tandem in the defensive backfield. Tyler’s size and skill remind me a lot of Eric Weddle, so I don’t think it would be a waste to play him at S… CB, yes. But I can see him being a QB on defense.
His hands are too good to be wasted on D, especially in our system where the CB never gets a chance to make a play on the ball. That would neutralize one of his greatest strengths.
He’d be devastating in the slot. I think the plan should be to redshirt him, wait for some of the fantastic talent ahead of him to graduate, then put him in the slot. That is the one problem with him playing WR is there is a log jam, so he might not play until his sophomore year.
As far as safety…he seems to small, and there’s a lot of talent at that position as well.
His brother looks a bit undersized but seems to have some of that Kellen Moore savvy in him. I can’t see Riley going for a QB like that.
Both brothers are 6’+ with Tyler a hair over and Tanner about an inch taller. Tyler weighs in at a solid 185 and Tanner at 175.
Tanner will play QB next year, but his skills are the same as Poyer–speed, ball skills, etc. The two of them combined for the INT that changed the game in the CIF D-II bowl against Serra.
Like I said, Tyler will likely be a star anywhere he plays. But if he plays on D, I would rather have him directing traffic and playing downhill.
I played against trosin when we were juniors. I was ss gaurding him. Didn’t work out to well for me.. This kid is a freak and is gunna make it big.. For his hands and his route running… Natural stud