First off, chat is back up so if you want to discuss Oregon/USC go here: http://angrybeavs.com/chat
Doing that keeps the game thread comments down.
I thought "swamp ass beav" had a good observation that the Beavs don't play well at night. I agree, they've seemed flat in the night games. I wonder if that is just this year or historical. Personally, I hate sitting around all day waiting to watch the game. Maybe the players get drained sitting around all day waiting to play one.
So, sitting around all day, forecast of rain, another QB change…not sure what to expect. I think the players all knew Vaz was the better QB in practice last week; wondering how much that factored into their effort. They might get an emotional boost from having their guy in there this week (not that they dislike Mannion, I just think players know when a guy isn't ready and shouldn't be on the field).
WHat’s gotten into Utah – 39 points?
If ND ends up losing, this would be a great time for a dominant, both-sides-of-the-ball victory by OSU to enjoy some movement back up the polls…
Just rolled into a tail gate gathering in the shadows of reser…let’s go beavers!
Nice! Now find the nearest game of cornhole.
Went to game last nite. Got told to sit down told them no. Got called an idiot at least 50 times and also finally was kicked in the back. All this because I was standing. Security guard told me that I might get thrown out of game. Great day to b a beaver? Yes this was on old side of field
The site is back up and running. This is great! I was way too productive this week.
I think the beavs will play well because nobody outside of corvallis gives a shit anymore. And as history tells us, the beavs are always at their best when nobody cares.
Correct you are….a key factor in all six of Joe Avezzano’s wins was that nobody gave a shit.
I see that Stricherz is officiating at the USC-UO game. Glad he’s not at Reser.
Beavs will need to keep the turnovers low to zero to make up for not having Poyer and the stops/interceptions he brings.
Anyone find a stream for the game yet?
Bookmark this puppy:
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/sport/american-football.html
They’re all showing Alabama-LSU…
21-17 Beavers.
Martin playing for Poyer will be minimized a bit because ASU doesn’t throw deep very much, and I think he’s a decent tackler, though not in Poyer’s league.
Agnew getting more touches should be good for the team; Storm has been okay, but playing hurt and lacking explosion the past few games.
Finally, we were top-10 in the nation in Turnover Differential…before last game. Easiest way to win a game is create more turnovers than you give away, and that will, as always, be a key factor.
I’m really interested in this game, more than any other but the Civil War, because it will be a good barometer for if we can defend UO’s Spread Read, as the two play very similarly. Especially since I just saw UO slice and dice a 3-man rush, which has been our go-to play in passing situations.
Classic Riley, throwing on the first play. I’ll take that bet every time.
Oh dear god, this could be UGLY!!!
I leave the country and the Beavs go to shit. 80 degrees and the beach is calling.
We all hate you.
STOP RUNNING THE FLY SWEEP TO THE STRONG SIDE, THATS JUST SILLY!!!
Not as glamours as you imagine, but a fly sweep now that’s the ticket.
Vaz missed the play in the end zone…so wide open.
That hit from Sutton would rattle me, too.
link
http://www.justin.tv/espn2002
http://myrtv.eu/es2/
Why don’t we just crowd their receivers? They ONLY throw screens, come on!
And why is our safety 15 yards back? To defend against what, exactly?
Beavers digging a deep early hole…14-3. Vaz pretty shaky.
9 plays 75 yds, way to easy for the devils.
Woods might be out.
The defense didn’t allow 14 this quarter, they allowed 7. Stupid stat.
Classic Riley, burning a TO early in the first quarter.
Spends them early in the first, then saves them past the fourth lol.
wtf, you take a timeout after a kickoff return. going to be a long night
the ref blew the whistle and held his left hand up with about 10 sec left on the play clock. Thus the what the fuck expression on Vaz’s face.
WHEATON!!! So good.
Thats better!
Nice, it might be a long night in a good way.
Anyone have a stream that works? The JustIn stream is herky yerky.
Found one on First Row. It wasn’t there earlier but is now.
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/150754/2/watch-arizona-state-vs-11-oregon-state.html
Oh look, a 50th fucking WR screen that got yards.
COME ON, cram the damn line!
And this website is S L O W. What’s up?
Looks like everything has to go through moderator approval
BTW, the pump fake didn’t create that play; we were just running a Cover 2, and the game is 10 yards up the sideline.
We’re gonna see Mannion again this game…
He definitely was NOT outside his tackle when he threw the ball.
Nice to see a blitz on third down though, instead of a constant 3-man “Rush”.
once again the link http://myrtv.eu/es2/
AGNEW!!!
Nice block you scrub, we almost ate a safety there.
this link works now:
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/150754/1/watch-arizona-state-vs-11-oregon-state.html
middle screen was there and Vaz missed it
The OSU OL is getting beaten badly.
HEY YOU THREE FUCKING STOOGES!!!
Try blocking someone coming in, that’s your whole fucking job. Now we eat a safety, jesus christ. This game has been ridiculous. Just killing ourselves with missed blocks.
Who’s the moderator and why do we need a moderator?
Beavers getting their asses kicked right now. ASU D is dominating.
Is it too earlier to bring on Mannion? lol
what the fuck is going on?
We’re just playing like absolute garbage, killing ourselves. The blocking has been HIDEOUS.
The D has been pretty solid, but the offense giving up 7 and special teams with the safety has been the entire game thus far.
We are going to get killed
Thankfully our defense is playing really well.
I love the offside flag that came basically after the play. Bailout!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
D’s looking good on 3rd down, as usual.
DOCTOR!!!
Having a great game. He could be a very good safety in the NFL; probably our 3rd or 4th best player in pass coverage.
Defense keeping Beavs in this! Lets go O!
The Beavers “O” needs to jam a score down ASU’s throats right now.
There is no way ND could beat the quacks.
I hope it comes down to K. State v. Ducks. That way I can believe there’s a chance..
Looks like Agnew is back in the doghouse after that terrible missed block; Ward is starting this series.
F’n A….touchdown Beavers!!
Lol, holy shit romaine…
WARD!!
Great blocking by the interior line.
Hilarious that Wheaton almost ran him over, he’s that much faster than Ward.
And GOOD JOB LETTUCE!!! Off the post on the PAT.
He Romain’d it
what else can we fuck up?
Lettuce! Don’t be a soul sucker! Keep it in bounds now please!
fucking lettuce boy
BAMA!
DAMMIT MURPHY!!
Should have had that pick, but couldn’t hold on. Damn!!!!
D-FENCE!!!
Thank god our D came to play. The fact that we’re in this game, at all, is a testament to how good our team can be if we just stop screwing ourselves over.
We got this guys.
It so hard in the D!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66CG52rMvqs
I think their names are Buffcoat and Beaver!
Prevent D prevented LSU from winning
Alabama dodges the bullet!
The ball will stay dry tonight.
“entertaining game tonight” is a good description.
Conner drops the sick pass, and we have to punt.
Thankfully the D has been awesome, which is the main reason I think we’ll win the game. We’ve just spotted them 9 points and we’re only down 3.
Great D vs. the screen.
Can we please not hear any more slurping off of UO players?
FUCK!
Another blitz that jumped offside. DAMMIT!!!
Love the Wide 9 defense, but come on, where was the containment? Kelly runs for like 20 and the first down.
Chrichton just KILLED his blocker too. Pushed him 6 yards deep.
Unsportsmanlike Conduct on the BENCH!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
penalties….jiminey christmas!
Offside on the Water Boy, clearly serving the wrong isle. 15 yard penalty, automatic first down.
How do you know when the refs hate your team? THEY CALL A PENALTY ON YOUR BENCH!!!
Wtf with the bench penalty? MR chewing gum in a threatening manner?
Is it just me, or has the announcer called asu USC?
DEFINITELY a late helmet-to-helmet hit, wtf.
YOU CANNOT TACKLE HAMLETT!!!
That was a scary pass by Vaz. He takes a lot of risky shots, and most work out, but still, pretty scary.
Vaz looks PISSED!!!!
Sutton you dirty dirty bitch!
My bad, that was Onyeali.
Four down territory, run the ball
No
Penalty forgives the bad play calling, for now. But getting predictable.
Clock/game management time.
I want to see something creative here on 3rd down
Converting on these 3rd-and-longs, huge plays!!!
TE dragged LB inside, nice
always HATE those low percentage fade routes #&^#@$*, to a short RB!
Wow, no pi. Refs hate us
Romaine redeems the PAT
Romaine=solid
Solidly into the left upright… When he connects he’s good- if he connects
And our line completely gives out and cost us a touchdown opportunity in 2 straight plays. Then Lettuce comes in and makes the FG, tying the game up!!!
“Excellent half”? Really announcers? We spotted them 9 and are now tied. STFU.
I think they mean excellent, like fun to watch.
Fun for asu fans and refs. Fun for those duck fans they keep showing in the asu section.
Millen thinks he did an excellent job as GM in Detroit.
HA HA HA! nice
Romaine!! Give him some love!
Give that boy a crouton!
Lmfao! You’re hitting em out of the park! Crouton.
We would have the lead with that extra point clank
yup
Vaz: 9-20 125yds and 5 sacks, ooof
Bama and ND should have lost
That’s your bcs nc game matchup right there. I’m taking ND
ND should have lost half their games so far.
Lucky f’ers
USC could still take them down, but yeah, idiots in the press and old geezers DESPERATELY want ND in the NC game.
“They were so good back when I was growing up in the 1930s!”
But but but, they’re Notre dame!!! Waaaaaaaaaa
Let’s put a Beaver on this second half.
A Beaver Bond commercial? I guess we’ve made the big time.
Why is Matt Millen allowed to talk about football? He should have one of those shock collar things Cartman had to stop him from swearing.
Defense is flying all over and swarming. This is what it should look like when they only run the ball and throw <5 yards. Load the box and swarm.
3 and out, huge sequence, thank you defense!
Only thing we have not F’d up…………kickoff return. Watch them give up a TD on the opening KO.
Mobile QB>Immobile QB. Great play by Vaz.
GOD I love that Vaz just lets his receivers make plays. Just throw the ball in their direction, they’ll make magic happen.
BEAVERS LEAD!!!
That was purty.
Disgusting espn commercials, gotta service that big ad client(Nike)
Doctor has been dominating this game.
When we get good LB play, we are great on defense, and Doctor has been a beast.
These announcers are missing the boat with the Doctor analogies.
Doctor……….going Kevorkian. Killing everybody.
Scrolling through yesterday’s game comments and found this gem. Good for a nice outburst of laughter.
Martin with the nice play. Thankfully we HAVEN’T heard his name much tonight.
Doctor with another great rush too. Stud.
Good call on that punt. Old school
Okay, that was a hilarious play by ASU with the audible-QB punt, and a MUCH better punt that their actual punter; rolled it to about our 4.
Still feeling good, but the last 2 times we were inside our own 5….ouch.
Offense come out sharp now. Pretty flat last series.
I still need a Mustached Mullaney catch.
Why is Ward playing so much?
They’re rushing off the edge every time now; falling in love with it a bit, but it’s pretty obvious. Middle rushes should be really effective.
Very impressed by Ward tonight; semi-tough to take down, decent speed, just a very solid player all-around.
WHEATON!!!
They blitzed the corner AGAIN, and Vaz read it and killed them for it. Great pass and catch.
GREAT run by Ward, but called back because of Kelly again. Millen said it was a bad call, I don’t know though. I tend to believe Kelly can’t block.
That was a good block by Kelly, he just flattened him. Maybe the refs had the wrong #
Had to call the penalty on something. Would you prefer THE BENCH again???
Shit. Ward deserved that TD.
Just in case you forgot, the refs hate us
nice job Hamlett. I don’t know what you expect your job to be.
OUCH!!!!
FG is great but that TD would have been better.
Romaine!
Quote: “The difference between the 1st Q and now is Ward is picking up the blitzes where as Agnew didn’t”
Damn left side is getting crushed; 3 good runs that way.
Who’s the right DE for the Beavs?
Romaine!
LOL!!!
D is having a few minor lapses, but doing their job tonight.
Be nice to see long sustained drive for 6…
I’m easy. I’d settle for a long sustained drive for 3.
Again I ask, why always run end around or fly to the narrow side??
Because the other side isn’t expecting it. Hahaha
OK, I’ll buy that. Probably a Langs theory.
FOUR players missed the tackle gunning at the punt returner; thankfully they didn’t just run that back for a TD.
I hate special teams. Hate it.
How the hell could that many guys NOT MAKE THE tackle?
Special teams have been VERY special tonight.
Drive to go up three scores would be nice.
Our D has been BEAST tonight!
Ward wants it.
Terron Simonton is tearing it up right now. Also, very nice blocking, finally.
Agnew never seeing the field again
Nice!
WIDE OPEN COOKS TD!!!
Great find by Cody.
Can I point out that we spotted ASU 9 points, just for sport, we’re playing out #2 QB and #3 RB, and we’re blowing them out anyway?
Who thought ASU was a real team?
And D stopping them up without First rounder Poyer
Poyer getting a lot of excercise on the sideline, hope it isn’t setting back his recovery.
I’m not a trainer, but I think he could’ve played, but not smacking his knee around toady will help.
Yup, he’ll be in better shape for Stanford, and will probably really go off on them. That’s gonna be worth seeing!
Did you see where they built that new Super Walmart? Right between Brandon Cooks and the ASU defense….
Good for groceries
Is it just me, or does a winning season cause the cheerleaders to look 110% better?
Got a text from a friend at the game for dad’s weekend, said “the cheerleaders’ midriffs are incredible, wish you were here.”
That was NOT usually the case when I was there….
Looking like 7-1 right now. Keep it up D.
are the cheerleaders playing on special teams tonight?
Wow, Kelly lighting it up on third downs…
…midriffs….
Plug that client you stupid annpuncers
3rd and about 3, and we throw long and turn the ball over?
Um……..nice play call……
Yeah, at this point in the game nothing wrong with another run.
Nice to see Christain with an int.
First ever? Good job!
So they put in the backup Qb…sack on 1st down, sack on 2nd down. Kelly comes back for 3rd down, and throws a pick.
Seriously, is this a college team? I can’t tell sometimes. We spotted them 9 points and played several backups, and we’re killing them anyway. So much for that sweet start, ASU.
Now, with the ball back, we need to score another TD to establish ourselves. No nice guy shit.
Matt Millen is an idiot
He is beyond stupid. Ran an NFL franchise into absolute oblivion…why is he paid to comment on football on tv? It’s just stupefying.
What happened?? I leave at 19-10 asu to relax at the beach for a couple of hours and come back with the beavs leading. I’ll have to do that more often
Beavs have dominated since
Thank goodness we didn’t get anyone hurt on that not really trying offensive. Should pull starters if you’re not gonna be serious there.
Wow. Nice breakup Martin!!
Wow, did Martin just actually make a play? I mean, the coverage was pretty mediocre, but the rip was great.
I thought Martin did surprisingly well tonight…hoping for continued growth.
UCLA in the 60’s?
Steven Christianson took a HORRIBLE angle there and let Kelly run for about 30 yards.
ASU is trying to win still, it’s very cute.
*Steven Christian
wow, 146 yds rushing for Ward, sorry I missed it
I feel a lot better.
I am still bitter about the Huskie game.
I can’t believe we lost to the Huskies.
No point in rehashing the Huskie loss, but I can’t help but think about the exposure lost by the one f-up. They would have been part of every ESPN conversation today, now with the Ducks passing their first “test” the Beavs are a footnote.
The Ducks are very good at their Faux-ball offense, woopdie-doo. They did give up 51 against an average team though. Yep the Beavs are a footnote because (I can’t believe) they lost to the Huskies.
yes, the turd in the punch bowl, that game.
It was really good punch though. I’ve got a shirt to prove it.
Pr the iso-cam on sutton…that is.a man among men. He had a hell of a presence on the field.
Oregon State sucks so bad????!!!!!!!!!!1111112
Oh wait, we won.
Downvoting me for mocking you idiots for assuming we’d lose? Fail!
No idiots here, just lunatics……ask angry.
Lil of column A lil of column B.
Source?
Nice job, after a pretty damn rocky start in first quarter. Really solid D tonite. Go Beavers!
SDSU beats the Broncs…..w/o Katz.
excellent…………sick of BS…..U
I love how they played one mediocre BCS team and lost, then play no one and are ranked in the top 20. For what? Winning against creampuffs? Hapless SD St beating them make me happy.
Recovered from about the worst possible start and laid a beating on ASU for most of the game. Dominant D, and the O made plays. Especially great considering we played our #2 QB, #3 RB, and lost our overall best player.
OSU vs. UO, Civil War for the Roses 2, as long as we get past Stanford!
CW for the Roses 3.
Ucks are in a different league than ASU. I was hoping ASU would show more speed to test the Beavs D; didn’t happen for most of the game. A commentator claimed they slowed it down because their QB was getting rattled, that isn’t likely to happen against Cheater Chip.
Ducks O is pretty damn good.
Few expected a win like this against a strong ASU team. Nice to see what a loss mid-season will do for refocusing a talented team. Hopefully this helps us finish strong and potentially lead to a CW victory!
Jovan Stevenson sighting on a KO return. Forgot about him.
It’s weird…We win and all I can assume is that this website will be shut down within 24 hours.
Anybody else?
That’s a stupid comment. A better question is if Angry will make it up for the Stanford game?
Tickets on stubhub.com start at 3 dollars.
Waiting for the fire Riley, banker and langs comments.
Like my father always tells me, “There’s room for improvement.”
Fire Langs! There ya go.
@ whatever: GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
looking at the upcoming schedule Washington could very easily run the table. They finish with Utah, Colorado and Wazzu. But I still don’t think they are all that good of a team.
Washington is not very good. But they will probably finish ahead of Stanford, who still has Beavs, Ducks and Bruins. If Stanford drops 2of3 wash has the head to head tie break.
Ucla has WSU, USC, stan. If ucla beats USC they should win south. And thus I’m still looking for boring rematch of ucla/Beavs in corvalis this time. I really think these championship games are lame.
Nice to see the team respond to adversity after that first quarter with the fumble recovered for a TD and the safety on the blocked punt. After the blocked punt, Oregon State simply dominated. Defense really showed up. Offensive line played well. Take away Vaz’s sacks and OSU runs for 229 yards. Agnew struggled picking up the blitz, nice to see Ward given the opportunity. Ward was fantastic. Broke a long run and was on the verge of breaking a couple other long runs. He hit the hole hard, ran with some toughness and was great overall. He needs to be in there a lot more once Woods is ready to go again.
Vaz looked really shaky early on but bounced back and made some great throws and really hung in the pocket and took some hits. Last night we saw when the Beavers can run the ball effectively, they can be a big play offense. Fly sweep with Markus really was big and opened up a lot. Seeing it ran once or twice more a game would be nice.
Holding on Kelly on what should have been Ward’s second rushing TD was a horrible call. That was Kelly just overpowering his man and doing his job to perfection. Refs missed a clear as day PI in the first half where the defender had his arms wrapped around Cooks way before the ball was there. Pac-12 officiating really lived up to their reputation.
Other than Agnew’s blitz pickup and Vaz fumbles, the only negative was Connor Hamlett’s performance. He had been very good catching the ball this season but he was bad. Three drops, two of them really hurt Beavers drives. Needs to focus a lot more. Can’t let that happen.
Stanford is going to be tougher next week than say, a week ago. They can run the ball but also, Hogan is now their starting QB and not Nunes. Hogan is a much better passer but Stanford also doesn’t have a wideout who concerns the Beavers. The concerns are the tight ends, Ertz and Toilolo. Ertz is really good, Toilolo has great size. It will be a great challenge, but this Beavers defense should be up to the task. I think Stanford won’t have a ton of success running, Hogan will have to win it and I think the Beavers want it that way.
Something I was pondering with Vaz and his obvious cool and leadership demonstrated during the last three plus games, should he have been the one to replace Katz last year and would their have been a different result on the field (maybe at least 6-6)?
Riley’s decision to go with Mannion last year doesn’t make as much sense now that Vaz is winning unless Mannion comes back at some point. And this isn’t going away anytime soon either. Is Mannion going to wait a season and a half to start again? Interesting stuff for the future.
Cool dude. I watched the game too.
For those that want to watch Oregon State’s men’s basketball team’s exhibition game against Lewis & Clark tonight, it should be available here http://pac-12.com/live/osubeavers.aspx
I was upset about last week, now I’m mad. The Vaz lead beaversshowed me something last night that I didint think they had. The team I saw last week and in previous years would have folded when they had such a bad start but not this team. Now all I can think about is how we should be undefeated and ranked 5th or 6th in the country. Happy about last night, mad about last week. I didnt quite understand angry’s reaction because I never bought into the magician season but now all I think about is, what if?
That was a great season, but according to Angry, Mike Riley has already hit his win ceiling.
Wish Riley would fire Banker already. His D gave up 10 points and clearly can’t scheme for a spread offense.
Next time some dipshit on here claims Mike Riley can’t make adjustments at haltime please refer back to this game and shut the fuck up because you’re a retard.
It’s not that Riley can’t make adjustments and Banker can’t scheme for spread offenses, it’s that they haven’t done it on a frequent, regular, predictable basis. See OSU’s record the last several years against spread teams. Check out the last four civil wars.
I suppose only a retard would suggest Riley manages the clock and timeouts poorly too.
Most of the conference runs a spread offense plus we played BYU who also runs a spread. We seem to be doing OK against it. The last two years were an abberation for Riley and many here can’t accept that. You have the trump card with recruiting though and im certain youre not afraid to use it again here.
I won’t claim to know Mike Riley’s philosophy on timeouts but I’d bet he knows how to use them better than any of us. We dont know whats going on in the huddle and what the opposing defense is showing that would lead to an early timeout. Maybe he doesnt use them late because he doesnt want the other team to get the benefit of extra time when he sees something he can exploit.
I also give credit to Mike Riley and BDC for not over reacting when the rest of the conference switched to a spread. Instead they stuck with what they know and then started building a defense to stop it. That shit doesnt happen over night.
You don’t get rid of your coaching staff when they lose to Oregon. They happen to be our rival but they also happen to be one of the best teams in the country.
The last two years were an “abberation” for Riley and Co? What the hell does that mean? They dont count?.
The last two years were a DIRECT result of the COACHING STAFF. It is TOTALLY on Riley and Co. Couldnt even beat a Sac State.
Abberation….lol…. You get rid of your coaching staff when they clearly stop caring….stop performing. I dont care what their ABILITY is, if they dont bother to use that ability.
You don’t know what the word abberation means? It means that 2010 and 2011 were not typical of Mike Riley at OSU. They were a deviation from the norm. The seasons count but because they were an abberation, he shouldn’t lose his job over it.
What pisses me off is when people claim that Mike Riley somehow didn’t care. You guys based your opinion on his body language on the sidelines. I may be wrong but my best guess is that nobody here is a fucking expert on body language.
Beavers shut down the pass last night, maybe Perry gets some credit there?
Perry is old and the only reason he got the job is due to Mike Riley’s nepotism. He will never get credit regardless of his coaching ability.
How about maybe looking at the entire body of work before you start spouting profanities. There have been several articles by sports journalists more astute than your or I pointing out Banker’s inability to stop running quarterbacks over the past three or four season, right?
If Banker has learned and become better than great, but the challenge will always be the Ducks as long as Kelly is the coach. Will there be improvement or will the Ducks do whatever they want again this year? If you can’t measure yourself by at least improving against the best, than what’s the point?
The last time Oregon State was healthy and competitive was 2009 and Oregon certainly didn’t do whatever they wanted in that game. That game could have gone either way and if Chip Kelly didn’t lift the suspension on Blount at the end, that game could have easily gone our way.
Don’t hedge your statements by suggesting Banker could learn and become a better coach. He’s not magically going to change. He has better athletes this year and has a good shot to put together a game plan.
I’d bet money that the ducks dont score 40 on us this year.
You ignore the trend of their inability to stop athletic QB’s. At least last night that guy couldn’t throw. And interestingly Perry is “old” and can’t coach according to you, but Banker can? Secondary seems improved to me. Maybe Banks has better support staff this year? Could that be a possiblilty?
I guess its fair you didnt get my sarcasm regarding Perry. I like Perry and I was mocking Angry and others here when he was hired. According to this site he was a terrible hire and just another example of Riley’s nepotism. My stance is that its a good thing if you can get a guy with so much NFL experience.
The argument that Banker cant stop a mobile QB is probably overblown. He probably doesnt scheme any worse for it than most coaches. You just notice it more because you follow the beavs so closely. Can you provide some examples where QBs ran for big yardage against us but the didn’t do it consistently against other teams? I cant find the data but I looked at Darron Thomas’ game logs and he didnt run for much against us.
@ hellobeavers: GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
Glad you used all caps. That way I know it’s meant to be shouted at me. I know it sucks for you guys to be called on your bullshit like this, but you’re going to have to deal with it. So fuck you.
Yeah and we’ll be here to take it when were wrong but it’s parasites like you who show up when you’re right about something but when the views on here end up being spot on people like you are nowhere to be found. Last week it was Bowdowntowashington, this week it’s you, and next week another jackass will show up running his mouth about something else. So enjoy your’e day in the sun champ, you’ve earned it.
Ive been here for a couple years defending Riley & Co.
Ok…..how about defending the coaching for the UW game. Seems to me that game is this year’s Sac State.
I dont doubt that Riley and co, CAN coach, but it seems clear that sometimes, and even for most of a season, they might just mail it in.
Despite having a QB who made many poor throws and WRs who dropped many catchable balls, the Beavs still had a shot to win at UW. That loss is not on the coaching. The coaches put together a plan that would have been effective had the players executed the plays – something they’ve been fairly reliable at doing this season.
You could argue that Riley should have pulled Mannion earlier but it’s a tough call to pull your starting QB when the game is tied.
You’re wrong about the game plan and play calling for UW. And if it took an adjustment to run the ball straight down the throat of a tiny ASU defense, then the coaches need to seriously rethink their professions. It was painfully obvious against UW and their more than pitiful defense. And it was painfully obvious after that game that the exact same remedy would be required for winning against ASU.
I don’t know what game some of you above were watching. But Vaz was not good for all but a half dozen or so passes. You can pick on Hamlett all you want, but two of the passes toward him were badly thrown balls that would have been INT’s had Hamlett not managed to contort his body in such a way that he got a hand on the ball. More that were supposedly targeting him were just very inaccurate. Throws to Wheaton and Cooks were behind. It seemed the only time Vaz was making a good throw was when someone was hitting him.
And his ability to move in the pocket and to move the pocket itself are almost nonexistent.
I saw that Mannion was a little off last week. But he wasn’t as bad as Vaz was yesterday. Cody killed a number of drives and/or just went three and out on several possessions because he couldn’t read the defense… that was in size 24 print… and triple spaced.
Hello? If I can see it, those who are paid to know something about football can see it. Starting a game with three passes? Brilliant. To be fair, it was two really poorly thrown passes and a play which should have been audibled when he looked at the defensive alignment.
Oh… and we still had a shot to win at UW because UW is a really really really bad team. I may have left off four or five… hundred “really”-s. But you should get the point. UW deserved to win that game about as much as UW deserved to win on Friday against Cal.
You tend to generalize and straw man this blog. You do a decent job of calling out certain ideas here and there. But you seem hell bent on allaying all your frustrations in one post. And you do it to the complete dismissal of some serious study… or with a serious dismissal of some complete study.
Then it just turns into trolling. But that can be fun sometimes too.
Hey, didshit — yes, you, Hello.
Mike Riley and Co CAN coach, and have in the past shown they CAN make adjustments at halftime. But it is very clear that sometimes they just dont bother.
Anyone who thinks a coach who shows he can win, and then gets a long term contract, so after that he need not perform, is the retard.
Angry is dead on. The UW loss is on the coaches, and this year, when it looked like Riley might FINALLY show he is really good, and actually make it to a BCS bowl, he allows the UW loss.
Now we are looking at Stanford on the road and UO, and might lose both of those. Even losing one, and probably no BCS. So that is what angry talked about — Riley has a win cap. Has had some good teams but always finds a way to lose a game he should win, and has in effect, A WIN CAP.
STFU, retard
I’m all for free speech and not censoring the message boards, etc, but just wanted to say you might want to cool it with the use of the word “retard.”
You may not realize it, but it’s seriously offensive to a group of people who really do not deserve to be exposed to your bigotry. I know you may be using the word to take the place of “stupid” in your attempts to argue with others, but realize that you just called somebody a “didshit,” which could lead some to believe you’re part of the same group you’re trying to offend.
A win cap means that no matter what, you will not win more games than that. It doesn’t have anything to do with losing a game that (you feel) we should have won had it not been for Riley coming along and single handedly fucking it all up. Every time there is an upset, some coach just lost a game he wasn’t supposed to lose. Do you think Oregon St can find a football coach that is immune to being upset? Were’t we only favored over UW by a few points? It wasn’t even that big of an upset. Had our players made catches that a high school kid would be expected to make, the Beavers might have won.
It’s silly to say that Mike Riley didn’t care anymore once he got the contract extension. That would be a major flaw in his competitive spirit and you simply don’t get to his level without being ultra competitive. Just because he didn’t throw shit fits on the sidelines like a child (or Stoops) doesnt mean he didn’t care.
I’ll address all your dumb comments here:
1. I never said Riley had a 7 win cap, I said 8. So, until he wins 9, shut your pie hole
2. The 2009 Civil War was not as close as the score. That is revisionist history. Chip had the QB knee at the 10 yard line instead of punching it in for another TD against a worn down D. Ducks had control of that entire game.
3. I never said Rod Perry was a horrible coach. I said he’d likely be a horrible recruiter since he is old. Perry hasn’t landed a single recruit yet.
The state of the Beavs is stable. This is because they picked up recruiting. After Gilstrap died, there was a huge lag. That lead to 2010-2011. Many of us saw the recruiting improving and thought the Beavs would improve–it is not rocket science. They’ll be in every game because they have better players, and they have a head coach who can and will single-handedly lose games due to clock mismanagement, misuse of challenges, bad play calling, slow adjustments, etc. That’s what the Beavs are, end of discussion.
Fair enough on the win cap. I guess I’ll have to revisit this when he gets 9.
And BS on the 2009 Civil War. How the ducks ran out the clock doesnt matter. The beavers were driving late in the 4th to take the lead but Canfield threw an INT. The ducks were then able to run out the clock.
You were not pleased with the Perry hire and you were critical of Riley as a result.
The outcome was never in question, and the Ducks could have won by another TD had they wished. I wasn’t thrilled about Perry because of his recruiting not coaching.
I hate how you’re made this about being right. I said Riley had an 8 win cap because he blows games every year, even when he has a good team, with clock mismanagement, personnel problems, not challenging calls, etc. A decade of history backs that up. Now you’re salivating for that 9th win so you can boast, “See Angry, no cap!” I already have a response planned out and it’s so anti-climactic. lol
I think what you don’t understand is I WANT to be wrong about things like an 8 win cap.
Interesting you would say this and tag it with end of discussion. Riley has an 8 win cap? He has 2 9 win seasons and a 10 win season. Can we open back up our “pie hole” now? Or do those seasons not count? Does angry not recognize those seasons?
2. That knee story is also a form of revisionist history. The game was about 2 plays. The 4th down where Canfield got sacked (when we had an open receiver but OS missed a block) and the 4th down where Masoli trucked Mitchell. In a game of 160 plays it came down to 2 plays. Pretty sure that is a close game.
I said regular season and 12 game seasons, though.
In 2006 they played 13 regular season games (because they scheduled Hawaii), and 1 win was in the post-season.
In 2007 and 2008, the 9th win was post-season
Again, you guys looove this Riley win cap thing. You’ve tried to chip it down to 7 wins, and now you’re adding post-season wins and 14 game seasons.
The 2009 Civil War was never in doubt. If we had won, it would have been a miracle in the sense they’d have to overcome constant Oregon momentum (other than the Dockery pick–that was the only time the Beavs had momentum the entire game). On that last series, I think everyone who knows the Beavs knew that drive would end before they made end zone, even though we were all hoping (there’s that word again) otherwise.
While I would agree that the Ducks had most of the momentum, they really couldn’t stop us with their D. And we had them at 4th and 2 quite a bit, but just couldn’t stop the old fashioned option (give Kelly credit for bringing that out for that game, since it really hasn’t been a major part of his offense). One stop on 4th down could have been a difference maker. I agree, the Ducks could have scored on the final drive to push the score up a bit, but that doesn’t mean that they controlled the game.
All games since, they have controlled us.
I don’t think it should be a win cap. I think we should count the losses instead since that’s what we’re really talking about anyway.
Every Duck fan knows it and throws it at you when they get the chance. Riley has yet to lose less than four games in any given season.
I hope he does, but refusing to run the ball against UW makes me wonder what kind of cold medicine he uses.
Vaz’s recovery from a slow start last night was encouraging, as were the contributions of Ward, who ran hard. It was funny on his TD run to see Wheaton “jogging” next to him and looking for would-be tacklers to pick off. It his post game interview Ward said he was “running as fast as he could.” Wheaton, not so much…There looked to be a few more opportunities for Ward to the outside, but he didn’t have the speed. The addition of Chris Brown’s speed next year will be welcome.
The secondary did a pretty good job absent Poyer.
I think this is a team that can beat Stanford, but it should be Pac-12 feature game of the week, I hope they can respond in the limelight.
Looking down the road, unless OSU’s offense really gets grooving and can score points consistently, I think OSU is likely to get blown out by UO along the lines of 2008. I can see UO getting sacks, focusing on taking Cooks/Wheaton out of the game, and using a high number of possessions and all of their player speed and tempo to take their 5th straight CW.
Yeah, it’s hard to find the advantage, but it was nice to see their defense get torched by a pro style offense maybe that offers the slighest bit of encouragement. If the Beavs can score, I would just onside kick every damn time. Be that high school team that never punts and never kickoff to the opposition!!!!
LOL … I love it, but you are thinking with imagination and daring, and I dont think our coaches have much of that.
Even devising a usable player platoon injury scheme to slow down their offense….
Hey, before Tedford gets fired, we have to at least give him credit for the fake injury gameplan to counter Chip Kelly.
Riley can say, “But Ref…..I saw this on TV!!” “It must be legal — Jeff Tedford did it”.
LOL … and then a very slow 4 and out, Chip Kelley will have a stroke….
uo’s DT Ricky Heimuli looked like he had a serious leg injury. DE Dion Jordan went out again with injury. LB Alonso might be playing with a broken wrist. USC rang up 615 yards. That D is gonna be pretty beat up by the civil war.
Of course, we will never know as Kelly doesn’t “discuss” injuries. They didn’t seem to miss Boyett too much, but they can only be so deep. I think the Beaver secondary will be one of the better ones they face if Poyer is healthy, maybe some advantage can be had in that battle.
For all you guys giving kudos to our secondary, realize that their QB was horribly inaccurate throwing downfield. I would say the most inaccurate QB we’ve played this year. There were quite a few poorly defended receivers that were thrown unwatchable passes.
I don’t know, I saw a lot of defenders running step for step with ASU receivers. Least impressive receiving core the Beavs have seen this year.
There was a number of times Kelly had to run because no one was open. That equals good job by secondary. I just wish we could have stuffed Kelly when he ran.
That’s true, but when he did throw downfield it was ugly. There were a lot of plays that failed due to their passing game being really bad, not due to our defense playing well.
Just take it with a grain of salt. I thought our run D was solid and we did a reasonably good job of containing Kelly, but the pass D made me nervous. They stopped themselves more than we stopped them.
Uncatchable rather
Some were umwatchable too
Did my record it and watch it later thing so I don’t blow a tube. My 2 cents worth:
Vaz –
If you think about it he just started his season and like any rookie QB has some things to work out. But he is a fierce competitor and I really like the kid… he seems to quickly work things out. He also has an arm. Very nice high speed spirals, yea not all were perfect, but a number were. He shows a toughness as ASU’s d-line is good and were knocking him around. Mannion gets a little more frazzled if pressure is on… Vaz just gets pissed and more determined. I would stick which Vaz at this point but we will she what Riley’s split personality does.
Ward –
Really liked what I saw. Not a long run speed demon but he can hit people and does have that sudden burst and hop to the hole ability. One thing I really liked, besides his blocking, is his reads on the holes and adjusting then bursting… took time to access then went. At times there was no hole and no choice so he would just go and carry through the defense for 3 yards. A++ for Ward last night.
Wheaton = A++
Cooks = A
Price (edit – Prince) = B
Hamlett = F minus
They guy in the last 2 games has dropped how many catch-able passes. The score of these last to games have been effected by Hamlett’s inability to catch a perfectly catch-able ball. Hamlett should be call Omelet as he lays eggs.
Doctor –
The Doctor was in last night. Probably my favorite D player last night.
Crichton –
Most consistent stud D player this year! It was nice to see OSU bat a pass down this time.
Young ones on the D stepped up in Poyer’s absence. Our D has been good from the beginning but I think they are getting even better as we go along.
And then my last thought. The loss at Washit-ton is now in my view a crime committed by our coaches. I can’t believe they (the coaches) lost that game. It is just a crying shame.
Agree, I thought Ward looked harder to bring down than Woods. If you are a Beaver TE you have to have soft hands in the seam or you’re a liability. I was surprised that Mullaney didn’t get any snaps, he deserved a couple.
Who is Price?
He is the guy that helped a crappy team beat us last week. I meant Prince.
Smith should play instead of Hamlett. Hamlett is making Obum look sure handed. Brutal.
I thought this would be the year the TE’s became a big part of the offense.
Smith gets way to wide open to get regular playing time, the quarterback might not see him. I don’t know what was up with hamlet this week, he has been an above average pass Cather until yesterday.
But he has stone hands, drops a ton of passes in practice. He in not better than Omelett, not yet.
Was at the game, was pretty damn loud.
Had me scared the first half and then we meant business. Ward was a stud!
Oregon State-Stanford Noon on FOX next week
Source?
https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/265157633655316481
A lot can happen between now and the end of the seaon, but I consider the OSU/Stanford game as a “Rose Bowl play in” game. Loser has no chance, winner is still alive.
I was waiting for Sean Martin to stand out like a sore thumb and he not only held his own but had a few good moments. I feel a little better about our CB situation next year but still worry about DT. Man that UW loss is even more painful now. Although I did hear someone on the radio last night saying that OSU was one of 8 teams with a shot at the title game still. I am not really seeing it but I suppose we would skyrocket in the human polls with a win over UofO which I am not really seeing though.
I sort of maybe might see an upset of UO if we could FINALLY play at our best on both sides of the ball, all game long. ..and maybe UO does a few turnovers.
Too bad Alabama and ND didnt lose. With ND I am starting to think god IS on their side. God, you fukker — OOPS!….sorry, god, I didnt meant that
I’m afraid we’llbe fighting the refs all game long in the civil war. This Ducks team is the conference’s best shot at a national title and i could see how the the conference as a whole could benefit from having the Ducks win. i would expect to see some drive killing holding calls on the Beavs if the game is close. UofO would have to beat themselves by turning the ball over to lose that game. just think the deck will be stacked against us unfortunately.
I’m afraid you are correct.
I wouldnt want to be the ref that makes such a call….. Ref last seen leaving the field after the game, ….naver seen again. Police making inquiries.
Just an observation, Michael Batlan’s officiating crew might be the best in the Pac 12. I hope to get Batlan, Stricherz, or Jack Folliard in the CW. Sean Hoculi, the guy from last night, and the guy from the UW game don’t cut it.
I thought Stricherz was our mortal enemy? All the announcers are in love with Hoculi and his “explanations” of his calls.
Over the last few years I think Stricherz has been the most fair of all the crews.
Maybe he stepped up with the extra accountability measures? The only game where I remember him screwing us was that one UW game. Some awful calls there but still…just one game.
Based on the last few years, I’d take Stricherz almost any of the other clowns.
PS- where do you guys get information on ref crews, and who is assigned where?? I can never find that…
http://instagram.com/p/RnSpkiOv5I/
Are these helmets new?
It’s recruit Hunter Jarmon wearing BTW.
Also, I love how ex-Beavers are helping recruit such as Dockery, Rodgers bros, etc.
We win and go down in the AP poll? WTF?
AP and Coaches polls have been shit all year. Good thing they don’t really matter.
The best part is that a pair of 2-loss teams are ahead of us, and we’re the lowest of the “Real” 1-loss teams.
We didn’t go down, we just failed to go up.
It was the BCS rankings where we were #11, not the AP poll.
Also, we jumped one spot in the coaches poll (the one that matters). I would expect staying the same or advancing one spot in the BCS rankings.
My bad
Oregon State also #12 in the Harris Poll. The computers like OSU, so we may just sneak into the Top 10 of the BCS.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/harris/
Jerry Palm at CBS predicts the Beavs will move up to #10 in the BCS
He related to Rosie?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/bcs/
we’re #11. Louisville jumped up ahead of us. South Carolina is probably too highly ranked with Lattimore out of there. They barely beat Tennessee this week.
Thats last weeks rankings..
Gators and Noles still have to play each other so one of them will be bounced out. Hope SC can spank ND.
It’s kind of weird, USC could still raise unprecedented havoc with ND and possibly a rematch with The Ducks on the horizon or they could just fade away and be a five or six loss team. Be interesting to see if Kiffin can motivate them at all.
I think those are last week’s rankings. LSU won’t be #5
Great wim for the beavs, but can’t let this officiating crew off the hook. Here is how i had it scored.
2 missed intentional grounding calls
Multiple missed PI calls
Multiple holds- including one so obvious that they entire crowd was chanting holding and they decide flag Riley instead
phantom holding call that cost us a touchdown
And couple personal fouls that went uncalled.
That crew needs to find a new job.
Land Clark was the ref and he just started calling pac 12 games last year.
Is his first name a verb or a noun?
I guess it would be good to know the names of his siblings. If they’re Water, Sky, Flora and Fauna, then it’s a noun. If they’re Jump, Fly, Fall and Splat then his parents are pretty cool.
The refs were pretty adamant in explaining that when Kelly threw it away he was outside the tackle box, did you see it otherwise? I couldn’t tell on TV.
The holding call was brutal. Kelly should get credit for a pancake block.
on the first non-call they showed a replay from the endzone and the ASU QB was right on the outside shade of where his tackle originally lined up as the ball came out of his hand. The second one had no endzone replay but it looked like pretty clear grounding.
Watching the game now, both calls were cut and dried grounding.
Don’t minimize our victory by calling it a wim!
Beavers are so good now they can just win on a “whim”.
OSU #10 in CBS Sports BCS Projections:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/bcs
Silly as it sounds, the jump from 11 to 10 is huge in terms of exposure. People watching ESPN normally see the top 10 over and over again, and it’s great to have our name out there that much.
Oregon State officially #11 in BCS. Beating Stanford is way more important anyway!!
Oregon State and Florida St. are both .597. We missed out on #10 by thousandths of a percentage point. Let’s take it out on the Cardinal!
Official BCS Standings & percentages:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs
Beavs dropped 2 spots in the Massey Ratings somehow. Oklahoma and South Carolina passed us. If not for that drop OSU might have been #10 or even #9 overall.
Florida State is ranked #32 by Sagarin and has a SOS of 108. But both the Harris and Coach’s polls have them #6.
Looking at the ranking, if we had beaten UW, OSU would most likely be at #5 this week, on Notre Dame’s heels.
Not to be overly dramatic, but the loss to UW has historic impact when looking at the minimal success of Beav football on a national scale.
I talked to a bunch of students at the game and its sad how so many say “I root for both Oregon teams” and that they hope the Ducks keep winning……
Uh… how times have changed.
It’s the everyone gets a “trophy” syndrome. You can’t root for someone to lose, especially if we are all from the same state.. I hate the Ducks so much that if competitive checkers was on the P-12 network and the Ducks were “playing” I would want them to lose.
Walter Jones is solid with the Beavs, Kearsley still committed to BYU but we are right there with them.
Recruiting has been on the upswing, can’t imagine what it would do if we could get into another BCS game.
What’s with the ref standing over the ball for 9 seconds then releasing it for play with 4 secs on the play clock? Vaz calls a t.o. to avoid a penalty and Riley does nothing. Really pisses me off when he does that.
JTB… My wife, who is a lot smarter than I am says I owe you an apology. I always take her advice. I get what she’s telling me and agree with her. So.. I’m sorry for the ill advised comment. JB
It’s well established that I’ve got thin skin, but taking a shot at my fat wife and friends will get me upset. Make fun of my lard ass all you want, I’m motivated by it. But an unsolicited comment from information that was gained going to our friendly and welcoming open-go-all tailgate page was disrespectful and really out of character for you.
What is in character for you is owning it, thank you. It’s forgotten.
What’s not going to be forgotten is the fact that I’ve got an overweight wife and fat friends so I fully expect the rest of you to open the flood gates of fat jokes. I’ll start; my friend’s so fat just his shadow weighs 27 pounds.
Fat can come in handy…like if you’re stranded in the arctic tundra with PBH he’ll die way before you.
Because Jason would eat him? With fava beans and a fine chianti.
Dude, did you really just call your wife fat? Man oh man…
Don’t you mean a “boneheaded” comment?
I liked having Jovan Stevenson on the kick return, I don’t know why he wouldn’t in there full time from now on. Marable just doesn’t seem to have good vision or decision making. Also, thought Sean Martin looked good. I also think Christian and Watkins were good. Ward was good, and I say we continue with whoever is healthiest. If that’s Woods then he is us the best option. I was amazed at how bad Hamlette played, he made a great catch last week, but could not hang on to anything this week?
I was impressed at how well and fast the defense was substituting during the game, they seemed to have a good plan and executed it well, the best I have seen them do that against any spread team. Now, in the second the half ASU was taking longer and longer between plays, as the defense was controlling things.
We are 5.5 underdogs to Stanford. This is the biggest game of the year. We match up well against them, the one thing I can see them exploiting is the getting a TE on one of our MLB in pass coverage. Outside of that I would say things are pretty even. Jim Wilson mentioned on the post game show that Stanford has been moving more and more away from QB Nunez who has looked average at best this season. I have not seen the backup or know little about him. I could see a back and forth game, so I think its important to get off to a quick start and get a lead early. We have not had alot of success down there lately. I was at the game four years ago, when were big favorites and Catchings fumbled the ball out of the endzone that stopped our comeback attempt. It is not intimidating crowd, but we still seem to struggle down there. A win could really give the team confidence moving forward. I really think we will need to execute efficiently, to beat them.
I’ve always liked Stevenson. If you recall, he was one of the only bright moments in the 2011 CW. Mannion checked down to him, and he turned an average play into a 60+ yd TD. Great vision and patience.
With some decent blocking I could see him doing some great things on KO returns. Would be nice to have a speed guy opposite him though.
Agree. Did they switch him to corner?
@LindsayRae19
Riley sticking with Cody Vaz for this week, says Woods & Poyer will be limited in practice on Monday. That’s most important news from call
@CliffGT
There were no new injuries for the Beavers to come out of the Arizona State game, coach Mike Riley said.
@CliffGT
RB Storm Woods (knee) and CB Jordan Poyer (knee) will begin the week limited in practice, coach Mike Riley said.
anyone know for sure if we can watch the bb game in 30 min? I have comcast and the first live game it shows is Niagra, not Lewis and Clark. Anyone with definitive info. that the game is not available via the web?
this is an exhibition game, and I think its only streaming. Niagra is the first counting game.
sorry, I should have clarified, I meant streaming. I guess we shall see in a few minutes.
its on!
http://pac-12.com/live/osubeavers.aspx
Beavs win exhibition over Lewis & Clark 83-58
Hunter Jarmon ?@2HunterJarmon2
Oregon State was too salty! They made my official too good to be true! #OSU #BeaverNation http://instagr.am/p/RoRfjyuv7c/
Does any know what “Salty” means in this context? I’m guessing it is a good thing based on his second sentence.
It was the Beaver Juice!
whatever works for a recruit to have a great time.
I’ve been hearing “salty” a lot in relation to a defense being tough. Not sure where the slang is coming from, it meant something different when I was younger.
It means stingy, angry at the world, pissed off… I think it makes sense…
Huh?
It means rough hewn yet experienced and direct.
Salt of the earth anyone?
In the Navy, it’s a seemingly ancient term for an experienced sailor. A Master Chief is decidedly salty. A Senior might be depending on his demeanor. Chief needs to put down the coffee cup. If a First Class is salty, it’s more likely that s/he is so because of poor attitude, not the other way around. Testing in rate has something to do with advancing, but attitude will make promotion take a backseat for the remainder of a career. One can be both crusty and salty. But they are not remotely the same.
This was one of my favorite books as a kid: http://www.etsy.com/listing/90894439/salty-sayings-book-from-cynical-tongues
I guess I was a born cynic.
BTW if anyone’s watching Sunday Night Football, Jazquizz is playing like a beast right now.
Did anyone notice the hit that Morovick (the long-snapper) made on punt coverage?
The dude is a beast! Reminde me of Brandin Harden!
Yeah that was right in front of us in the student section, he was pretty stoked on it!
That was an awesome play by his part.
” I want the boys to fight harder than they ever have in their lives this upcoming weekend against the Cardinal. If every player believes we can win, then we win. I know it sounds like rah rah high school, but it is down to the basics. Every play by every player needs to be executed like it is the last play they will ever have. If we win this one then we will beat Cal and then it is down to the Ducks. I am one of the very few that feel the kids can beat the Ducks this year. The stage must be set by beating Stanford first. If that happens our chances increase greatly. You can do it boys, but you must truly give it your all, each and everyone of you. I am just a little Filipina fan pulling for you from 10,000 miles away. I do believe in you so fight and win this one for BEAVER NATION.”
Oh I thought Mike Riley said this… I was like YEAH!
P.S. why do you add quotes around what you post?
Don’t feed the troll. He might break his persona… again.
I’m trying to figure out which Chip Hilton book you are quoting from. Clair Bee would have been gosh darn proud of you back in 1951. Swell analyisis!
Brandon Arnold according to greg biggins came close to committing, but wants to take more visits.
Let’s close the deal.
There’s not much difference between that and a ‘soft verbal.’
Got a question for anybody here with knowledge about defensive schemes. whenever i watch Oregon running their spread option, i see the qb sell the run after handing off the ball. often times one or two defenders bite amd pursue him, but hold up as soon as they realize theyve been duped. by then, theyre out of the play since the running back is already several yards ahead. the question i have is, why dont the duped defenders go ahead and tackle the qb (and hard, to make him think twice about faking the run)? if the qb is selling it, wouldnt that be a legal hit? seems like you should punish the qb for leaving the pocket whenever possible.
That used to be the answer to stopping the option but recent rule changes that protect qbs and against concussions won’t really allow it. I’m sure you could get away with it a few times but there would also be a number of personal fouls in there as well. It’s what makes the spread so effective, a finesse style of football in a time where football itself is becoming more finesse due to safety concerns surrounding the sport.
I’ve been thinking recently that if it’s an option, then make the QB keep the damn ball on every play. Key on the RB with the players the QB is set to read, and send your MLB away from the direction of play. I’d be willing to bet the MLB would be finding armfuls of QB more than once.
So… always tackle the RB in the backfield, and always expect the QB to have the ball as a result.
I ran the wishbone in high school and I have an opposite theory. Have the DE tackle the QB every time. Either way, QB or RB, you must do the same thing consistently to break the option.
That’s how I’ve always seen it done. The DE tackles the RB/pitch man EVERYTIME. The MLB tackles the QB EVERYTIME. That’s your job the the read/tradtionional option. Are there rules in college to keep you from tackling a guy without the ball? Just hit them every single play.
I’ve had the same question. For an offense that relies on deception and ball fakes, and that are quite frankly, well done, it seems like a defender has a “right” to tackle the player. The offense is trying to dupe the defense and hide the ball, the defense should be able to tackle the qb.
Secondly, the rules to protect QBs were, I think, originally intended to protect QB’s on pass plays, where they can really be leveled. But in the option, the QB is often running, and he’s not “exposed” or any more vulnerable than a RB.
I like Jack’s idea. For one, if you hit the RB every play, you’re not likely to risk the penalties you do with hitting the QB every play. Second, you are still reducing the “option” and funneling the ball to someone – please just not Rueben Robinson….Mariotta would have a field day juking and outrunning him.
You also have to hit the TE on every play. If he releases free, then you have problems up the seam.