27.Dec.2009 Kreb Brothers Leave Team (woo hoo), Ashton Jefferson Kicked Off

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I was on Christmas vacation when this happened so it wasn’t discussed. Needless to say, I am thrilled, for if the Kreb brothers are starting on your team, you are not going to the Rose Bowl. There’s this notion in Beaver-land that if Riley turns a stone he finds a hidden gem. Not true. Most of the time he finds what you’d expect.

The following excerpt is from Cliff Kirkpatrick:

LAS VEGAS – Two Oregon State football players decided to leave the program right before the team left for the Las Vegas Bowl, coach Mike Riley said Saturday.

Another didn’t make the trip.

The Krebs brothers, receiver Kaulin and linebacker Kameron, plan to transfer to another school. Both are redshirt freshmen who haven’t played in a game.

“It was a surprise, but they are doing it for an opportunity (to play),” Riley said.

The only thing I’ll disagree about is the comment that they didn’t play in a game. I’m sure I saw the flowing-locks-o’-red LB missing tackles in a game early in the season, and I know I saw him on special teams at least once, too. Oh well, here’s a toast to these two leaving the team and freeing up scholarships.

Speaking of which, Ashton Jefferson, the RB out of Texas, is rumored to have been kicked off the team for violations in Las Vegas. Word is that he smoked weed. Many Beav fans liked Jefferson and compared him to ex-Viking Robert Smith. Those comparisons are unfounded. Smith was a gliding, graceful runner with sprinter speed. Jefferson is similar in that he had long strides, but that’s where the comparisons should have ended. Again, this will free up another scholarship, and hopefully we can replace Jefferson (who was a reach) with more refined talent.

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  • beavfan4 says:
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    Ya I saw kameron krebs lookin like a complete bozo when they played portland state. So glad to see these guys leave

  • OSBeavs says:
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    Not sure what you have against Krebs. I don’t remember kameron playing in a game (except special teams) but he looked good in spring ball. Ashton was a reach but it was nice to see us go get more guys from Texas. If we can go into Texas and take good players that is when we will finally smell roses.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      What I have against him is he looked nonathletic against Portland State, and he missed a bunch of tackles in that game. Keith Pankey stinks, too. Not sure why that guy has started since freshman year. The Linebacker U moniker needs to rest if Krebs and Pankey are starting.

    • JackBeav says:
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      I’m not sure what you have against Pankey. Of the three projected starters for next year–Bubba, Roberson, Pankey–he’s the least talented. Because of that he may end up two deep behind Wilson, Unga, Robinson or maybe a true frosh. His experience will get him on the field regardless, and he’ll be gone before you know it.

      Pankey and Camat have been good depth players. You’re right to think they shouldn’t be starting on a top notch defense, but to say they’re not good enough to play isn’t right.

  • JackBeav says:
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    It’s just normal attrition. I’m sure the coaches expect 3-5 players each year to realize their realities and transfer as a result. Was there ever any expectation for the Krebs brothers to get any playing time looking at the depth in front of both of them? They would have a better chance at playing time if they were kickers.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      In 2008, Pankey missed the Gerhart tackle by taking that awful angle. Roberson was so much better a player and should have been in the game. That play set the tone for his career–he always seems a step behind and a step out of place. As far as two deep, I don’t even feel comfortable with him there. Would Pankey make two deep on Cal, Oregon, or USC? Talent has to match the upper half in order to beat them out. You can only “Rudy” for so long.

    • JackBeav says:
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      I think Pankey pushes the two deep at USC, makes it at UO and starts at Cal. Although he may be a little big for Aliotti, so he might be a DT there.

      We’ll see what happens with recruiting this year, but I figure he ends up low on the two deep if not for his experience. Bubba starts anywhere, and Roberson showed that he might do the same for his last year. I think Wilson, Unga and Robinson all push Camat and Pankey down the depth chart. And I think a couple prospects can push them down even further. I think Bibbee, Storey and Welch are all better than those two, and I’d love to add Akuna and Vainuku to the list.

      If the latter two are added, so many options for development open to the Beavs. Bibbee is an old school LB who just runs through blocks to get to the ball. He will be a good depth player who can break into the two deeps his RS soph year. Storey has amazing field awareness, but he doesn’t have the speed to play safety at the D-1 level… yet. Add strength and 30 or 40 pounds, and he might have the speed, but then you’ll want him at LB or DE. Welch has the speed and drive to play as a frosh, but he could use another 20 pounds as well if he’s going to play LB.

      I think Akuna and Vainuku are the only ‘ready made’ prospects at that position in terms of overall packages. I don’t know what to expect from either of them. I think Vainuku goes to USC with a late offer from them. And I think Akuna buys into Stoops’ FSU game or Petrino the collossal flake’s ‘we’re the SEC’ pitch.

      I hope I’m wrong.

      • angrybeaver says:
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        My sources say Akuna is a silent OSU verbal.

        Agreed that Bibbee looks old school and capable. I like Wilson, Bubba, and Roberson as the starters next year with the frosh (Welch, Akuna, Bibbee) backing them up, depending on spring performance of course. One guy I am not high on is Ruben Robinson. We recruited him out of Chandler thinking he’d be the next Kristick, but he looked undersized, confused, and slow this past season. Wilson was from the same class and has a much better LB frame. I was really disappointed when he went down with injury.

        • JackBeav says:
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          Bibbee is truly an anomaly. I saw him at the local Grocery Outlet for a charity food drive, and he was just yanking massive cases of canned goods off the shelves and into shopping carts as if they were packages of paper towels. He basically has this baby face on top of Steven Jackson’s body. And it’s not that he does or doesn’t have a mean streak when he plays. He just plays, and it kind of looks mean because there’s nobody to really stop him when he has momentum.

      • JackBeav says:
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        I like what I saw from Robinson from the standpoint that I expected nothing from him his freshman year. I’m sure the injury to Wilson played into that. He looked like a frosh at times, but I think there’s more upside than down. I’d still like to see more Wilson than Robinson if he plays to his abilities.

        Btw… Storey is almost identical to Wilson, but I think Storey has more upside.

        I think the Krebs bros. made a good decision if they ever want to see the field. I wonder if Robinson will have to make that same decision. I also wonder about QB’s like Vaz or Lomax and DB’s who want to play.

        • angrybeaver says:
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          I’m not sure what to think of Vaz. Loved his film, but it’s a depth chart issue. Hopefully he’s content being the backup for now. When Lalich leaves he’ll be second string assuming Katz is as good as advertised, and I think he is. He might even have a chance to beat out Lalich. Either way, it’s a good problem to have. One position we recruit well is QB. It’s really the only position.

          • OSBeavs says:
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            Anyone notice that two of the 32 starting QB’s in the NFL this past weekend were OSU alums. Kind of a distorted fact because of injuries and the point in season but still kind of interesting. I hope Matt Moore gets a chance after this late season effort this yr, he has looked good at the end here.

          • angrybeaver says:
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            Moore was one of my favorites. Glad to see him doing great. He looks mobile/strong-armed and is playing with a lot of confidence. Had a feeling he’d make a good starter or at the very least a superb backup and he’s proving that hunch right.

      • angrybeaver says:
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        Well, Michael Doctor was just cleared and will be arriving in Corvallis in a few weeks. He should add some nice depth or even challenge for a starting job.

        • JackBeav says:
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          I heard that he tested OK a while back. Was that just the clearinghouse officially clearing him?

        • angrybeaver says:
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          Yeah, and that he’s actually going to be on campus is news. He was starting to have a Kuli (does he exist?) feel about him.

        • JackBeav says:
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          It looks like Dunn qualifies for Kuli status this year.

          That leaves Kaiwi alone in the Gelakoska category.

          Of all the recruits from last year’s class, I liked Phillipp, Poyer and Hudson the most… with Rosa, Enger, Braun, Thomas, Wheaton, Hatfield, Martin and Doctor also looking like future stars.

          As discussed, I wondered about Robinson, Lomax, Vaz and Reynolds in regards to depth and opportunity. But I think they could all be viable Pac 10 players given time to develop. It’s just that they may never get the time.

          The one prospect I who most intrigues me is Gwachum. He was supposedly a freak before he grew four or five inches. If he turns out to be another DeMarcus Ware, then Riley and Co. have found another gem. Hell, if he turns out to be another Slade Norris we’re doing OK. I wonder if January’s pitch to Owa will include the opportunity to play with Obum.

          Can you imagine the Nigerian terror our D-line would be if all that worked out?

  • angrybeaver says:
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    The 2nd player wound up being some junky walk-on linebacker from California named Reggie Williams.

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