23.Aug.2015 Seth Collins, Head Case?

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I’m starting to get tired of this guy’s attitude, and he hasn’t even played a game yet. If you want to cop an attitude that you’re great, then you need to back it up. This guy can’t beat out MM, yet he’s talking like he’s Johnny U.

You still gotta compete,” Collins said after being notified of Baldwin’s announcement following the scrimmage. “You still gotta go out there. You still gotta play. For me, it’s whatever. His decision is his decision. I’m still me. I can’t let nothing faze me. I just gotta go out there and play.”

Highly disturbing stuff.

“For me, it’s whatever.” Really? The starting job is whatever? A coach acknowledging you’re not good enough to win the job is whatever? I haven’t read any MM quotes, but my guess is they’re polar opposite, probably talking about doing what is best for the team, etc. Being a real leader and sportsman. Collins, meanwhile, is moping here with “whatevers”.

“His decision is his decision.” — This seems like dissing the coach. He shows no respect. He doesn’t call Baldwin by name, and there’s disdain in the tone. You can tell Collins thinks he is entitled to the job. Again, do we have any MM quotes? I bet they are the opposite.

“I’m still me.” — No shit, Einstein? Of course you’re still you. Or does he mean he is still SethTheGreat, despite his inability to win the job? Narcissism much? Comes off as extremely selfish.

It’s not just these quotes. I was getting this vibe from the media day interviews and said it then. But people said to give him a chance, etc. I’ve been trying, but I’m just about done with this guy’s shtick.

Silverstream, who was at practice, confirmed my hunch:

I agree. Collins comes off as immature and me-first. Two confirming observations from yesterday’s scrimmage. On one play, late in the scrimmage, Collins was running towards the end zone, when the whistle blew (to prevent contact with the QB). Collins continued to run, and then vaulted high into the end zone (over no defender — it was a pure showboat vault). On another occasion, Collins overthrew a received, and then stared downfield towards the receiver, with his hands stretched out (more or less calling out his receiver, despite the problem being his own overthrow). Yes, Collins has a lot of talent. But these kinds of shenanigans are going to get old fast, and he’s going to lose the support of his teammates and coaches if he keeps it up. I think Andersen knows that Collins is a bit of a head-case, and he’s trying to be careful, to change Collins’ attitude without losing him. But at some point Andersen is going to say “enough is enough” if this keeps up.

I’m starting to get tired of this guy rapidly. I don’t care if he’s a good running threat (his only real talent, despite this misconception that he’s highly talented — again, I think this comes from him hurdling and jumping). Last I checked, none of the Super Bowl QBs ever hurdled a guy. A great QB has a consistent release point, performs in the clutch, cool under pressure, minimizes mistakes, controls the offense and takes what is given, etc etc. They don’t try to make “me” plays, “wow” plays, etc.

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  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    The media loves this shit too. “Air Collins”? Are we playing hoops?

    https://twitter.com/sean2m/status/635216837161017345

    Fact of the matter is, the play was blown dead because in any live game situation, a defender would have taken him out. His run game benefits from the “no hitting the qb” rule and won’t be as much of a weapon in real games.

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      He was allowed to be hit in the Spring Game and ran pretty well.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        In the spring game they were allowed to make contact but were not allowed to lay the wood. Collins was upended once, more because he left his feet than because the defender intended that result. In Pac 12 play they won’t just wrap him up and bring him down, they’ll take a shot to make sure he thinks twice next time.

    • angry angry says:
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      The media always seems to have anything opinion related backwards. About the only thing they can do is report facts that someone says to them. If it comes to analysis of any kind they fall for the easiest path to a story. A guy hurdling is an easy story…”he hurdles, he’s great” is the natural instinct. Just like Riley was great because he was nice, Langsdorf was a great OC because he donated a kidney, etc. They constantly do this.

  • Bill says:
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    You have to wonder what the coaches promised him in the recruiting process.

    • UnhappyBeaver says:
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      I’m gonna go out on a limb and say he was promised nothing since his other major offer was San Jose State.

  • whatever says:
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    I think he is definitely cocky and overly confident, but he’s a fucking horrific interview, so he may come off as worse than he is in the locker room.

    Either way, it wont matter next year, he’ll be #3 on the depth chart. That should drill some humility into him.

    • scotty says:
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      Appropriate username in this case

      • scotty says:
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        I mean given the Collins quote, btw, not in relation to what you said, whatever

  • Beavlover69 says:
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    “Last I checked, none of the Super Bowl QBs ever hurdled a guy.”

    Yeah but the last 8 heisman winning QBs have.

    I think in your quest to be right about MM, you’ve become overly critical of Collins and his style of play. He’s still just a true freshman and it looks like you’re pretty much right about MM so let’s try not to pile on and paint Collins as some sort of enemy/locker room cancer.

    • angry angry says:
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      I think in your quest to be right about MM, you’ve become overly critical of Collins

      Overly critical? I was actually in favor of using two QBs months ago and wrote about it. The post before this one I also reiterated it was a good strategy.

      That’s overly critical? Saying the guy should play? I’ve been completely fair to the guy and only as critical as his stupidity.

      The problem is since I wrote that last post I saw another dumb, selfish quote from the guy. He is just a narcissistic, egotistical circus show. So now I don’t even want to see him on the field, even if he’s great, because his personality is so damn unlikeable. If you want to say he is young and can change, yeah, but he better do it soon or he’s going to lose a lot more people than just me. I doubt the head man is enjoying these antics and quotes.

      • New Era OSU says:
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        Per Building the Dam, Seth was the fan favorite of Saturday’s scrimmage. Too worried about personality IMO Angry. Gary Payton had a certain cockiness too with a little arrogance and plenty of jawing thrown in. Allowed him to take on the best in the world. MM was never chopped liver and has made much of his opportunity over the entire summer. Both QBs are capable. I am not going to call either unlikeable and don’t like that thinking. Let kids mature in their time. Seth is a true fresh. He does make some good plays out there and does enjoy competition and helping his team win. Scrambling is very important and effective in getting out of jams.

        I’d much rather a guy get sacked for no gain trying to scramble and just missing breaking free for 5 or more yards then holding onto it too long and taking a 6 or 7 yard loss which makes it 85% odds or higher that your drive has just stopped and the punter will be kicking it to the other team. MM seems more mature and that should help in some situations but let Seth be himself and start to figure out what it takes to best help his team to victories. I think he will be pretty good, help our brand of football and well liked by the majority of fans for his efforts on the field even if a few fans have differences in personality preferences.

        • angry angry says:
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          Gary Patyon was a HOF player. Seth Collins can’t beat out MM and had zero power 5 offers. One had confidence and jawed. The other has arrogance and needs to try to convince others he’s great. It’s just apples and oranges to me.

          Seth can be a fan favorite for all I care. Fans know nothing about football and fall for flair all the time. All that matters is what GA and Baldwin think.

    • angry angry says:
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      Really, the last 8 hurdled guys?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Heisman_Trophy_winners

      Are you confusing a jump with a hurdle?

      Show me footage of Troy Smith, Tim Tebow, or Sam Bradford hurdling guys. That is laughable.

      The last 5 you’re more likely to find hurdling, but I’m not sure you’ll even find that. They’d jump and dive…not hurdle.

      • Beavlover69 says:
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        Ok well if you wanna be difficult then no, Troy Smith and Tebow never actually performed a hurdle but the point there was and is that they repeatedly ran the ball and put their bodies on the line more than any “Super Bowl QB” would. “Super Bowl QBs” don’t win Heisman Trophies just like “Super Bowl Offenses” don’t win National titles anymore. Hell if Nick Saban doesn’t adapt, he’s probably not winning another national title. The college game is WAY different than the pro game.

        Oh, and Sam Bradford did this before:

        http://youtu.be/FNKSN1XYmWY

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    LOL. Guy is a major douche bag.
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    • wannabeav says:
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      Haden’s already got Mike Riley lined up to take Sark’s job

    • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Whiskey’s old man came up with the perfect nickname for him.

      Cutty Sark

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    I’m with Angry on Collins. Some of the upperclassmen need to tell him to tone down the shit.

    • angry angry says:
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      Didn’t we hear after the spring game a lot of players were annoyed with him on the TD runs? Apparently it didn’t get through.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Here’s a short clip which gives the impression (to me) of selfishness:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/08/watch_sights_sounds_from_orego.html#incart_river

    At about 1:00 we see the vault into the end zone which silver reported. I note that at the end of the play only one teammate approaches Collins. For comparison, at .19, .44, and 1:31 we see multiple players join receivers and MM after successful plays. It is only a short video but maybe indicates something about how the team interacts with Collins.

    Silver reports that the whistle blew before the “flight”, so the lack of congratulations by teammates could be due to that. The one player who approaches Collins at the close of the play (Isaac??) could be calling him out just as was reported after some of his antics in the Spring Game or previous scrimmage. Purely speculation, but based on the little bit filmed here.

    Opinions based on only one thing (like just this vid) are pretty shakey; like you, angry, I’m looking at more. Not just the twitter handle (there, I said it, lol), not just the mugging for the camera, or the previous interviews, or the “helicopter” moves.

    As others have pointed out, he is young an may learn to be a “team first” guy (he may actually be one now, but I don’t see it!). MM, though, gives every indication, by his scout team work and the way he has handled the competition, that he is the more mature guy to put in a game manager slot. And the one most likely to cope well with the adversity which is gonna come to the QB on this team.

    • angry angry says:
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      Well said, I agree 100%.

      This has been a process. It started with his HS film where he can’t throw and received no major offers, yet he calls himself SethTheGreat. Confidence and arrogance seem similar, but they are opposite ends of the spectrum. A confident player takes constructive criticism and uses it to make themselves better. An arrogant person has to convince others of their worth and is rooted in insecurity, and they do it by being blowing off constructive criticism and generally being a jerk. SethTheGreat = arrogant. Greatness shows, so you don’t need to tell anyone. A confident person doesn’t tell people they are great.

      So it started there. Then on media day his body language was awful. People said, “hey his first interview, let it slide.” Okay. But now instead of respecting Baldwin’s opinion (and I think Baldwin is the authority in this case, based on track record, he disses the guy) Can he be wrong? Sure, but he’s giving both guys a shot because he says there’s no separation. Instead of respecting that, Collins says that’s “his decision is his decision” and “I’m still me”, which are arrogant and selfish comments that are also disrespectful to Baldwin.

      Earth to Seth, the exact problem is that you’re still you! The coaches want you to be better than what you are, yet you think you are already great.

      Then as you note, oldbeav, it’s the hamming it up for the camera (that shaved ice photo…lol), etc. Hurdling and leaping when there’s no football reason to be doing it, etc.

      So this has been a process. It’s not like I/we woke up one day were like “this guy’s personality sucks!”. He’s showed it to us over time, and I think going after Baldwin cements that he’s an arrogant jerk. I hope he transfers if (when?) Garrettson takes the job. I just don’t like the guy.

      As a QB, I think he brings a few things to the table and can be used 10-15 times per game. As a human being, leader, teammate, I wouldn’t want him near me on the field.

      • GoBeavs92 says:
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        No “major offers”? We offered him and he’s going to be one of the two QBs who plays for us. Do you trust this staff?

        Go Beavs!

        • Jim says:
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          No major offers, except one from a coach who just took a job on the west coast, was left few QBs options in the cupboard that fit his offense, and had few options left that late in the recruiting cycle.

          Beggars can’t be choosers.

  • Beavlover69 says:
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    All I’m saying is that this site preaches giving the new coaching staff plenty of slack until we see how they perform in games. Well, why don’t we extend that same amount of slack to the players who haven’t played yet? If Collins can’t get anything going in games with his arm or his legs, makes a bunch of mistakes, and starts throwing temper tantrums on the sidelines then we can talk about him like this. I just think it’s premature to have entire posts dedicated to bashing a player who hasn’t even played a real snap yet.

    • angry angry says:
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      I think we are extending that to players. I see a lot of confusion by everyone, including me, on the site. Because we don’t know anything yet. We’re trying to piece together a hazy story.

      This post has little to do with on the field performance and is based [mostly] from his off the field antics, so it’s fair.

    • GoBeavs92 says:
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      Agreed on many points guys but you can’t forget SC is an 18 year old kid that thinks he can do no wrong. He’s gonna find out really fast that, that is not the truth! He should have been at his prom in April but instead he lead the offense down the field several times with successful results. Yes it was against an inferior defense overall but still…..he’s a frickin’ kid! What his actions are next (after he gets his wake up call; gets smacked by a PAC 12 defender, loses a game on a mental error, turns the ball over, etc.. ) are what’s important. All of these kids are going to make mistakes but lessons are what humble us. Keep in mind that he is still and Oregon State Football Player. He needs to be coached up, he needs a reality check (which he will get in a game) but he also needs some support. Sometimes (a lot of the time) arrogance from young people is a defense mechanism. They don’t know how to handle certain situations and it sounds like he’s been told most of his life how good he is but I don’t think he acts like he does because he’s a bad person, just misguided. It’s ok to critique players but unless you really know them, calling these kids out personally (who they are as people) is ridiculous!

      And yes he is talented. He’s a 6’3 195 athlete that runs a 10.8-100. He has better than average quickness and agility. This Beaver staff feels that he has what it takes to be a QB (in fact he’s one of the two that will be playing for this team) so you either trust them (the current staff) with that decision or you don’t?! More than likely, the two QBs will play a series or two at a time. Subbing them in on 2nd or 3rd down once in a while will disrupt continuity, especially in this offense. BTW the QB position is a lot more than throwing the football, it’s also; reading the defense(pre and post snap), leading players, handing off the ball, the ability to run the football yourself and more. The read option takes hours and hours (reps and reps) just learning the action and the technique of handing off or keeping. It’s timing, it’s feeling, it’s making the proper read. Many of these things (with exception of leadership), Seth does have an advantage of over the other guys (more experience with it). It’s a battle between two Beaver QBs! Don’t forget that!

      Go Beavs!

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      I think the temper tantrums are only a matter of time. Check out the reaction from his whiffed golf swing in practice the other day. I know, just harmless fun and i’m just piling on, but I won’t be surprised by reactions like this after mistakes in games this season. I’ll still support Collins through the growing pains. At least Isaac seems to like him which will help with winning over his teammates respect.

      (Around 0:55-1:05)

      https://twitter.com/OSUBeaversFB/status/634138283627249664

    • homefry homefry says:
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      +1

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Just got a follow from Calvin Clater. Seems high on the Beavs. I see you follow him on Twitter angry. What can you tell us about the guy?

    Long time since I have posted. Up scouting the competition in Husky territory. Tired of losing too many close ones against them. I don’t think that he be GA’s MO. Started working at Microsoft a few months back. I’ll be up her for awhile and see the Beavs next game here. Try to report back on their GameDay and stadium experience vs OSU’s.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Clatet looks to be one of the many 2017 guys the staff has recently targeted. September 1st is when coaches are allowed to start contacting 2017 guys by phone, so soon after you should starts to get a feeling for who their top targets are for that class. A number of 2017 guys are interested in the Beavs already, so I think you’ll start seeing some pretty highly rated guys showing OSU interest and vice versa, but of course it’s a long way to go.

      A number of guys have said that ‘first offer’ is very meaningful to them because it shows a staff had faith in them from early on. I’m expecting several first offers from OSU again this year.

  • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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    Elway “helicoptered” his way into the end zone, does that count?

  • Phob24 says:
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    The comments seth’s dad made a while back are highly indicative of the attitude he has. If a kids own father says statements like that he’s bound to think the same, if not even more disillusioned. This to me shows this problem isn’t related to age but something that probably won’t ever fade.

  • mckalk says:
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    Talk about lack of respect for the Beaver program, The Oregonian couldn’t even get it right. They ran a teaser on the front page of the sports page and said “coaches say Seth Collins and NICK MITCHELL will both play in the opener against Weber State”. Then next to it is a photo of Collins and McMaryion. Plus Collins has a punk ass-ish expression on his face. I think he’s just being funny, but it looks unprofessional.

  • OSUman says:
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    Thats really over-reading into a comment In my opinion. Don’t try to make much about nothing. “Whatever” has a lot of meanings for kids these days then “I don’t care”. It’s more like: “whatever happens I can roll with it”

    • angry angry says:
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      It’s not just one word, “whatever”, it’s everything else being discussed.

    • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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      Angry sees patterns in everything.

      • Jack says:
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        So does anyone who thinks coincidence isn’t the only precept for instance.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Pac 12 network released a 5 minute preview from the first episode of The Drive. It details Andersen’s first week in Corvallis.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TM2RUVnTlvs&feature=youtu.be

    • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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      I think you erroneously linked the ducks one

  • Angry@angry says:
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    The kid is immature. Not good at interviews, maybe not well spoken. As long as he gets grades and isn’t breaking laws, who cares. He seems to be a good kid. Let’s not forget how easy it would be to get a big head being an 18 yr old D-1 football player

  • Bill says:
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    They should implement a policy where freshman are off limits to the media. Many many schools do this so that the freshman learn what to say and what not to say.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      YES !!
      Not only a chance to learn what to say, but a message to the SA that some things come only after paying your dues. Good way to keep the cranial swelling down.

  • Coach Drierson says:
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    I’ve mentioned this months ago. Maybe he can break it over time because confidence is required to be a great QB, if channeled properly.

    Throw his ass in the octagon with Bill Swancutt and Nick Barnett for a few rounds. He’ll get the proper attitude adjustment pretty quickly.

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    Sounds like he’s saying all he can do is go out and play his best. The decision is the coaches he isn’t worrying about that, he’s worrying about playing as well as he can.

    Much ado about nothing!

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      I do hope you are correct.
      But, once again, the picture (yes, incomplete) we are seeing is not about one quote or one showboating play, it’s the whole package.

      There is some balance in this July piece from Eggers…hard worker but “not a good fit” at TWO high schools, 3.4 gpa and Andersen says he is “coachable” and handled Spring success well. Don’t know if this is the piece Phob24 had in mind above, but it certainly presents some positive points as well as giving insight into Dad’s approach and involvement.

      http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/266130-134356-collins-vies-for-starting-role-

      • angry angry says:
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        Collins would make an intriguing WR. Interesting that some schools recruited him there.
        An interesting formation would be Collins and MM both in the backfield, Collins running a route or catching a backwards pass, etc. Or the D just not knowing which QB would receive the snap (this could be an entirely new offense — a hybrid wildcat/read option).

        • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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          That would be cool, I think GA will do whatever it takes to win. I would not be shocked to see that.

          • angry angry says:
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            It looks like this has already been done: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/8/13/4616042/todd-berry-ulm-football-offense

            GA should try it. Could be effective and give the Beavs a unique spin on offense.

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            Love this and would love to see it. Nice find.

            I’ve been thinking we’ll see the TE throwing on more than a few occasions this year. They have BVV at that position already, and they tried to pull off that play in the spring game, although it was intercepted.

          • Jack says:
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            Some HS team ran something called the A-11 about a decade ago that had two QBs. What killed me was that all (including the spread and zone read) of these innovations in the new football of the future just looked a lot to me like it was trending toward a mean which looked like rugby with forward passing.

          • angry angry says:
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            Yeah I was reading about A-11 earlier, how it was a C and the other 10 players were all eligible pass catchers. Apparently they ruled it illegal, but there are modified versions still.

  • wannabeav says:
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    meanwhile, Sean Mannion got a TD late in tonight’s game. He looked reasonably effective, though it was garbage time vs. Tennessee’s scrubs. Remarkably enough, he made the classic play action feint on this first drop back. had to laugh at that. He and Mariota chatted it up a bit after the game.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      I will miss the old play action fake on third and thirty.

  • blackbug says:
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    One thing I think is missing is when Collins finishes a play after the whistle it is akin to what you see in basketball all the time after a whistled foul. One could say well you don’t see that in football so it is unacceptable show boating. The one forgotten thing is it is extremely rare in football to finish a play without a tackle or going out of bounds. So these whistle stops encourage the same basketball gimmicks.

    Having said this the basketball players that continue dribbling and shooting after a whistled foul as if to say look what I would have done if you hadn’t fouled me. This always annoyed me. No one is interested in how you compete against nobody. But, I can see how a no contact whistle stop in football would cause the tendency for a offensive player to want to show what the result would have been.

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      I wouldn’t even care that he finished the play if he were a good leader, selfless player, and team player. He seems more like an act or brand, though, and more interested in himself. So when he finishes a play (especially with an obnoxious dive when there’s nobody around) it’s to show what Seth Collins can do. I think that’s the problem some, including myself, have.

      In basketball, the guys are usually just getting an extra rep in after the whistle to find their stroke. I don’t see it as the same.

      But good post. Interesting.

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        Probably correct about too big head. But I’m not ready to make any of these associations with such a small and intentionally limited glimpse into current inner workings.

        This could be a misinterpretation of an extreme team-first attitude. Displaying show boat antics to reinforce good o line blocking effort. A glimpse as to what could happen with good team effort. I’m probably way off base.

        My point is, I’m not labeling anything until the season starts. I’m giving benefit of doubt until Michigan game(assuming weber state is a win). This is a tough time to be an outside observer and reporter, and will only get harder as the season draws ever nearer. But just two weeks to go. So again, I’m withholding most opinions and sticking with expectations.

  • GoBeavs92 says:
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    So I’m wondering how many people start talking shit if Collins does win the job? It’s becoming an ego issue with far too many people in this forum bitching about Collins because they “predicted” MM would be the starter. Jesus Christ, get over yourself! Both of these young men are in a competition, deal with it. Whoever wins the job, is our starting QB. You either trust this staff and the fact that:

    *This staff considers Collins to be a good enough QB to not only give him a scholly but also to challenge for the starting position.

    *They also feel now that M McMaryion is good enough to challenge for the starting spot.

    Or you don’t trust the staff and feel you know better! It’s black and white. And I don’t care how many henchmen “thumbs down” my post because they have no answer but wanna treat this like a junior high clique ha ha whatever! I’m not here to pump up your ego!

    Go Beavs!

    • angry angry says:
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      Yeah it has nothing to do with who wins the job or predictions, but good try.

      • GoBeavs92 says:
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        It has everything to do with that! Look at your post name! Do you personally know Seth Collins? And I’ve asked you twice now and you wont respond, which makes me curious, do you trust this staff?

        Go Beavs!

        • angry angry says:
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          Yeah of course I trust GA. Is showing up and making non sequiturs with a lot of exclamation points your shtick?

          Anyway, I’m not going to keep rehashing this. Seth Collins blew off his OC in the press. The guys here who go to practice confirmed he’s a selfish player who cares more about himself than the team. I don’t need to know him to see any of this (his twitter handle is SethTheGreat). Do you read anything or just make random comments that fit your PC narrative? The guy has a long way to go overall as a passer and a leader. He can mature, but as of today he’s nowhere near where he needs to be. That’s the fair and accurate assessment. I’m not going to be responding to any more of these nonsensical tangents.

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            I don’t have a “shtick”! I call it like I see it.

            All of our eligible QBs on this team have a long way to go in many facets of the position, we’re (as fans) all gonna have to get used to that no matter who the starting QB is. By “knowing” SC personally, I was referring to all of these personal attacks and insults you have made on him. Necessary?

            I’ve seen the videos, saw some of this first hand and do read the write ups but he’s a kid. He’s 18, he obviously was influenced by someone to gain that ego plus he’s still trying to find out who he is. These kids nowadays are often just emulating what they see from their role models (unfortunate but true) and just trying to live up to most of the unrealistic expectations placed on them by their parents, etc..

            I’m not PC at all, in fact I think that’s ridiculous! Just because I don’t think fans of a collegiate team should put the kids down personally. Having been a coach and as a teacher, I got a problem with that.

            Go Beavs!

          • angry angry says:
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            he obviously was influenced by someone to gain that ego plus he’s still trying to find out who he is. These kids nowadays are often just emulating what they see from their role models

            Probably true.

            Where did you coach?

            You’re probably right that I shouldn’t put him down, but I feel an obligation to say something since the media is labeling him Superman and lionizing his worst traits — by patting him on the back, they are making the problem worse.

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            There was an article way back during Spring where his dad had made some comments about him. I can’t recall but it did sound lofty and possibly like one of several parents that I have dealt with and I’m sure many other coaches have too. It’s sad when a kid gets an unrealistic self image and they try to live up to their parents (or whoever’s) image so they don’t let them down. Now that he is removed from that situation though, hopefully when he gets “knocked down” it’s humbling and he learns from it. That will be IMO, the true judge of his character.

            I coached at two Metro League programs for 8 years. I was initially at one other for a year but that was more of a nightmare.

            The media unfortunately, as we all know, is going to over inflate him and any situation to sell but also to create controversy. Reality TV and their stars are a great example. They love to glorify outlandish behavior.

            I have heard GA mention several times that he wants to see how this team responds when they get smacked in the mouth, knocked down (insert analogy here)? I think he’s waiting to see how a little pie effects Seth and the others.

            But the most important thing is that all of these players play for the Beavs and I hope whoever is on the team finds success and in that can also help this team succeed.

            Go Beavs!

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            Now that he is removed from that situation though, hopefully when he gets “knocked down” it’s humbling and he learns from it. That will be IMO, the true judge of his character.

            I agree.
            I guess you could say this thread is my attempt to knock him down sooner rather than later, because the sooner that happens the better it is for the team. Hopefully his teammates are knocking him down daily. By the time a real opponent does it, the team is probably in the midst of a loss.

          • Jack says:
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            You’re just being a pre-emptive Gallagher? Or are you handing out plastic sheets before the show?

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            I was trying to be a pre-emptive Gallagher and even sent this to StS. But if he doesn’t take his OC seriously, I doubt he will take this seriously. So that makes Jim Harbaugh the most likely Gallagher. I’m going to have make an image of Harbaugh wielding a sledgehammer before that game.

    • Beaver Juice says:
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      On a lighter note I really am impressed with the character and work ethic of Paul Lucas. Think he, Bolden and Villamin are both going to have quite a few big plays this year. Lucas’ speed along with Bolden means we can stretch both sides of the field.

      http://m.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-paul-lucas-is-a-speedy-learner/article_387211c1-ee13-5ffc-b9a4-11a5240a5eb8.html

      • angry angry says:
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        The Beavs WRs are the best in the conference. Bolden, Villamin, Jarmon, Guyton, Lucas. That is insanely good. All the QB needs to do is get the ball to these guys on short passes. I think Lucas might get a few looks in the backfield, too.

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Oregon/tOSU replay currently on ESPNU for those that want to relive duck tears

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      Don’t go eating any napkins.

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      Pleasantly juicy with just the right amounts of salt and schadenfreude – 5 stars

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    I have to disagree with everything that’s being said. I think there is a strong possibility that this kids attitude is/might be just what Beaver Nation has needed. He is a great athlete, no one can argue that, if he can prove he is a winner than he can be arrogant, cocky etc.(Sean was a great person, didn’t seem to have the fire/leader of men)

    I think everyone has been sucked into such a Riley vacuum that we can’t even fathom a cocky, elite athlete as qb. Let’s see how things play out.

    I really do like MM and think he is a really good middle ground from the Riley era(from a fans perspective). But do you think there is a slim chance maybe Johnny football did this with the fans? I’m not saying that he is the second coming of Johnny manziel, I’m just thinking out loud, maybe, we let him show us on the field. If he kicks michigans ass, and makes the team perform great, than I don’t give a damn if he’s cocky and arrogant. If MM way out performs Collins, and/or leads the team to a big victory early on, I’m on their side.

    Reality is doesnt matter what any of us think about character, winning football matters. (Barring illegal activity). And I have full trust in this staff to put us in the best position to do so.

    Go Beavs. Trust the process

    • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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      Things is, if you’re going to be cocky, you should have the skills to back it up. Seth can hardly throw a pass, and while showboating against actual opposition is fine I guess, showboating against your teammates will make them lose respect for you.

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        Let the coaches decide this, not a few news clipping and no game footage

      • angry angry says:
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        Things is, if you’re going to be cocky, you should have the skills to back it up.

        Exactly.

        And confidence isn’t the same as cockiness/arrogance. The former is a positive trait that comes from inner belief; latter comes from inner insecurity.

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          There’s something to that. But if you don’t push it, you also don’t always learn at the highest level. Some do, some don’t.

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    All I’m saying is, we all need to relax and realize game day is 11 days away now. We are really used to a very insightful qb. Maybe, just maybe this guy, that a lot of people are dogging,(I kinda agree) is going to do great things for this program. I personally don’t give a damn if he is the most arrogant pos qb in the country, if we play in the rose bowl.

    And let me be clear. If I picked today based on very limited film and news I’d pick Marcus. But I’m thinking that might just be based on my prior history of college football(Riley era). I just want to see how we preform in games before I say this kids this, this kids that.

  • GoBeavs92 says:
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    You bring up a good point 2. When Dennis Erickson came in, he brought a swagger into the program. He wasn’t dirty but his teams were aggressive and would not back down from anyone. I didn’t like all the penalties but that was DE’s style and it worked. He also recruited guys that were very confident and had a chip on their shoulder. I would like to see Collins turn that cockiness into more of a high confidence (less self promotion) but all any adult has to do is think back when they were 18 years old and think about some of the decisions they made and even how they acted at times. I trust this staff that they will have the right guy starting when they are ready!

    Go Beavs!

    • Jim says:
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      Erickson’s guys also led to the “Jail Beavs” nickname. Not sure I want those kind of guys back.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Agree with that.

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          Why? I could care less if people called us the jail Beavs, and we are playing in fiesta bowls stomping Notre Dame

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            I was embarrassed by the players behavior in that game. They came across as street thugs.
            Sports should have a positive impact on a individual’s conduct and character. The primary one being to respect your opponent. They are making the same sacrifices, working hard, etc that you are.
            The rub it in your face, mocking, showboating crap should have no place in sports of any kind and the glorification of that behavior has a corrosive effect on society as a whole. Being as asshole should never be celebrated. One thing MR did right. Coaches need to instill behavior norms so these guys know how to succeed in the real world. Behaving with class will always get better results in the long term.

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            “Behaving with class will always get better results in the long term.”…….a side of BG not often seen here, well said!

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            It sure feels like disrespecting the dignity of people for profit then paying a comparatively tiny fine or penalty on the back end… if litigation doesn’t crush them or get strung out so long they die and those penalties never have to be paid… or if paid focus groups don’t come up with verbiage that also disrespects victims in order to make the conditions such that litigation never happens or future victims have no recourse for similar grievances… is the norm.

            But you may be right. “I got mine,” might not be all these kids see in the real world.

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            I’ll agree that there was some showmanship (along with the fiery play, which is more what I was referring to) that I did not appreciate. I mean take a guy like Richard Seigler. At 205 lbs as a freshman playing MLB, you have to have a chip on your shoulder, which he did. Was he a thug? Not that I ever saw. Nick Barnett, the presidents, James Allen, James Newson, Noah Happe just to name a few. They all carried themselves decently off the field and when they were on the football field, they had the fire and were ready to compete. They could get a little chippy here and there but they generally just good competitors.

            Go Beavs!

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            A main reason why I am excited to have Gary Andersen as he seems to be the perfect combination of you have to physically impose your will in a game while being a good person in the world.

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        Not saying I approve of guys that are committing crimes. There’s a difference between a some “swagger” and being a criminal. Besides, if it was a nickname, who cares. How many of Erickson’s recruits went to jail or prison? You could look at almost any program and there are guys that get into trouble. There were several of Riley’s recruits that either got into trouble and served suspensions or they were kicked off the team. A few Jeremy Perry’s (if you remember him) scrappy O Lineman, is not a bad thing. Just guys that bring a little bit of fire, which was kind of lacking with Riley teams.

        Go Beavs!

        • Jack says:
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          On the flip side, a Jeremy Perry could run into a couple Max Tuercks because the attitude of the team is to lay down and take that shit… ending the career of someone like that. Or maybe that lax attitude threatens your star RB in the form of him getting thrown onto concrete 15 yards out of bounds, and the refs comply with your self-disrespect by not calling it.

  • angry angry says:
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    I’m so sick of talking about the QBs, tbh. These 11 days can’t go fast enough.

    So back to Ryan Nall. Nall complained about his knees hurting while making cuts (at RB). I’m not a fan of how they’re treating Nall. Can’t they let him play at 235? Carrying improper weight on the knee is a recipe for disaster.

    • whatever says:
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      You can’t hit long snappers anyway, what would weight have to do with anything? Currently, the heaviest long snapper we have is 225.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Thank goodness we’ll soon be out of the time period where the fans eat their young.

    Counting the days.

  • tim318 says:
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    My guess is this is more about a bad quote or sounds worse that it is/was meant. He is a true freshman and has some maturing to do like every teenager.

    These athletes are told that the need to focus on themselves and not what else is going on. Focus on doing the job. I’m sure he is told to stay positive and keep his confidence up.

    Things probably came easy for him in HS and now he is being challenged.

    Give it time.

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      Exactly. He’s 18; he’s probably not the most well-spoken guy in the world. Here’s a related quote from GA in the Tribune article:

      “It would be easy for Seth to think, ‘I’ve had success in spring ball,’ and listen to people who want to talk about him,” Anderson says. “I see none of that from Seth, which is great. We’ve talked about it. That always worries me, but he’s handling it well.”

      Clearly GA doesn’t think Seth is getting a big head.

      Also, the way his HS coach gushes about him, it’s clear he was The Man in high school. I knew plenty of guys like that in college who came into the year thinking they were The Stuff. In most cases, it took their freshman year to realize their world was a lot bigger than it used to be, and they matured like most people do in that part of life.

      • angry angry says:
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        So you’re saying to expect a SethTheServiceable twitter handle by next year?

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          LOL

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          Let’s hope so. This is 2015: QB’s have to have an appreciation for self-aware meta-humor.

          Also, that’s a great new nickname for him.

        • Jack says:
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          What if he’s striving for excellence and knows what twitter handle he wants once he attains it? If he doesn’t lock it down now, he’s going to have to buy it off some domain/handle aggregator who makes up those kind of names just to sell them to people who didn’t have the same foresight our very own newbie frosh QB has.

      • GoBeavs92 says:
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        “Also, the way his HS coach gushes about him, it’s clear he was The Man in high school. I knew plenty of guys like that in college who came into the year thinking they were The Stuff. In most cases, it took their freshman year to realize their world was a lot bigger than it used to be, and they matured like most people do in that part of life.”- Beav inTX

        Exactly!

        Go Beavs!

  • Jack says:
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    Meh…

    If his melon is too big, someone will go all Gallagher on him. And he’ll come through the other side one way or another.

  • beavers4life says:
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    I’m starting to think that it’s 11 days before the home opener and the coaches are going to use Weber St. game to really assess the progress of where this team is at and where the team wants to go the rest of the season. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure the coaches want to start the season off strong with 3-0 in non-conference games, but I’m also sure they want to instill upon the players that it’s their efforts and attitude that will make or break their season. With that said, I’m amped!!

  • GoBeavs92 says:
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    Anyone know the current status of CB Dwayne Williams? Will he be ready for game one?

    Thanks in advance.

    Go Beavs!

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