So it’s sounding more and more like BDC did not want to leave, and he was run out by donors (?).
Anyone have insight?
It seems like BDC might have, ironically, sealed his own fate by hiring Gary Andersen and Tinkle. The hires raised the bar, and now are donors thinking they can get a better AD or Massari is a better AD fit with the new coaches? Or, is Gary Andersen behind this and maybe expressed he’d rather work with Massari than BDC?
Either way, sounds like Bob was run out, so if anyone could shed insight I think we’d all appreciate it. You can email me with info if you don’t want it public.
What makes you think Andersen would want to get the guy who hired him, fired?
Doesn’t make sense. If anybody is going to help him succeed, it’s the guy who went all in on him.
Nothing makes me think it. It’s a theory I threw out there.
But maybe Andersen doesn’t like him after working with him for a few months? Andersen is the big shot right now, so if he doesn’t like the AD and donors want to keep Andersen happy, they’d fire the AD over pissing off Andersen. Fans are super grateful to have Andersen and are treating him like a savior. Those would be the only reasons.
It could be as you suspect, but my gut feeling is that it goes back 3 or 4 years, to about when Riley’s teams quit performing….or was it Riley who quit performing?
Also it could be Ed Ray, maybe they’ve bumped heads too many times…
Why would you say it “sounds” like something is true and then say you have no reason to think it it’s true?
Yeah… even though I have no reason to say “yeah.”
So… as an AD would say… no?
What was the question again?
You hear faint drum-beating … the walls whispering – things … undercurrents of contrary sentiment …
Looked like a straight business decision by Ray. There was no sense in extending Bdc with his health deteriorating. Letting him know well in advance was a nice courtesy. Bdc thinks he has more left in the tank so he resigned.
^^this^^
Plus there might have possibly… maybe been some grumbling… wonderment aloud… um… interesting conversations involving department personnel because he brought Massari back… maybe… just spit-balling… could be.
Yeah that’s true.
I hope it’s that and nothing more.
I think Bill probably has it right. In any event, Ray seems much more involved in Athletics lately and, whatever happens, he is gonna bear lots (if not all) of the responsibility.
Another angle, not only was BDC’s health a consideration, but there may have been a question of how long Massari was gonna stay around as #2.
I don’t have any insider information on if he was forced out by donors but I am surprised he lasted this long.
It was/is well known around the AD that BDC was not performing to the standards of a high level AD. He should have retired for health reasons years ago.
I’m not trying to fault the guy for taking care of himself but he had to spend too much time on his health situation and that took away from his performance as the AD.
Per an inside source (about as good as it gets), it was the Parkinson’s moving forward, and influential boosters thought BDC had run his course, and it was time for a new, younger voice.
So there we go.
We can discuss other things.
Like baseball?
Hey! This thread isn’t about baseball.
Stop that!
Oops! Sorry… didn’t mean to go off topic.
Dammit! Did it again.
I feel like the Knight Who Say Ni after they said it.
Back to the topic of AD’s, seems a really “neat deal” that AD’s were able to set it up with PAC12 Net to televise all the remaining Beavs baseball games, starting tonight at 7:00 PM. BDC and those other AD’s are looking pretty smart with that move, right?
That’s awesome!
Um… as I have heard someone in the athletic department say once or twice.
Bob had a year left on his contract. Wanted a three year extension. Ed wanted to go in the proverbial “new direction.” Bob decided to leave a year early. That’s what he told the staff. The staff was not perturbed at this turn of events. I think the late-Riley funk/early Anderson enthusiasm was Ed Ray’s epiphany. He knew he wasn’t getting much performance and realized more was possible. In that way, yes, Bob’s late success paved his way out of town.
I actually posted the paraphrase from an insider above, so it was some of what you wrote, but also the big/influential donors were behind it.
PAC-12 network is cock-blocking us yet again. No TV, only web stream.
Got it here, use the Bay Area channel. How ’bout that BDC!
game is on P12 OR, Channel 720 on Comcrap here in Corvallis
Massari is not a good choice for AD at OSU.
Why’s that?
Let’s just say he’s a little hard to work for and didn’t get along well with some coaches in his first stint here.
Stansbury should be considered the primary “insider” for this job. Casey should not be taken lightly. Byrne can take the job if he really wants it. Massari will be the interim for a while because it takes forever to deal with a dealer’s agent.
Basically Jack’s got it. Second time around, instead of annoying coaches, he went about mucking up internal departments. Made a lot of people use their budgets for his pet projects. Now, the D was not exactly a well-oiled machine, but it was a machine that was oiled, and the guts were held together and worked. He made it difficult.
On the plus side, he did make some efforts towards marketing and PR that were refreshing to see – he does have a decent grasp on some of the issues with marketing and with game day experience. But more often than not, his modus operandi has been to say, “This is a problem. Fix it!” and expect a bully attitude to be all that’s needed. Or, he will take a chunk of one group’s budget to fix another group’s issue, then go back to the first and wonder why things aren’t being done, even though he’s the one who took the resources to do that which he is demanding be done.
There was – and is – a lot of conventional wisdom that the return of Massari was the marking of an heir apparent. He certainly acted that way. But conventional wisdom is often proved wrong; or, too often, unwise.
I like Stansbury, too; but OSU had had the same old blood for too long, and not just on the coaching side. It is my impression that Ray, once he had secured the capital campaign goal on the academic side, decided that OSU could now begin the arms race on the athletics side. Lots of people have waited many years for this, and Ray’s priorities are correct. OSU has a reputation as a flagship institution with an athletic program, as opposed to the feathered finks forty-six miles south, who are an athletic brand with a college attached. Ray will make a good choice – I am confident of that. It’s clear to most I talk with that, while we have a great group of people who have done many good things under trying times keeping the athletics program chugging along with a wheeze or two, it is going to take an outside vision to transform the program and take it to the next level. As was for Riley, so is for the AD.
I’m starting to think they should have just kept BDC….these other options aren’t great.
You worry too much. The positives of note are registered for Bobby D. Think of who #2 was when all the really horrible decisions were made during his tenure. Think of why he was just so damn gun shy when it came to making visions realities in terms of T&F, Reser phases beyond Phase 1… rounding up funds for a hoops/wrestling facility.
I won’t even knock Bobby D on his vision. But his implementation has been stagnant if existent. He’s a guy who will will measure depth every six inches for twenty feet out before he jumps in the water. That’s great for making it appear that not spending money saves money.
We need someone who will measure depth every two feet… then ask for money to dredge if measurements don’t allow him or her to jump in without fear.
If I’m going outside the “OSU whatever culture thingy” to hire, I’m looking at Chris Plonsky hard. She’s so very qualified on all fronts to be the AD at OSU. And I think she’s grossly disrespected to have to work with Steve Patterson on the men’s side. She deserves that job, let alone ours.
Yeah, I am worried about finally getting good coaches, but then a bad AD who does not mesh…
That’s why the process will take a long long time. If we have someone in place by the time football starts up, I’ll be surprised.
No, they shouldn’t have. It was time for a change – at least, the window was open on the time for a change. BDC’s contract was not going to be renewed. Many successes, but many failures along the way. He did a good job keeping things afloat; Ray was comfortable enough with him to keep floating loans across the tracks to Gill, and was biding his time until big moves could be made. Nobody wanted BDC to spend his last year as a lame duck – least of all himself.
In case no one has been noticing, there has been a lot of transformation happening for many years. Credit should be given to “Bob the Builder” – he has not only laid, but secured a good foundation for the programs. His recent hires in hoops and the gridiron proved that.
Love him or hate him, BDC’s contract was with Ray, who was less inclined to give away contract extensions than BDC was. Ray has only recently – the past few years – stepped up his public voice and support for athletics. It’s been a very difficult ride, and with the Pac-12 deal, it has made it possible for Ray to feel comfortable saying that, yes, this is a place to which we can attract talent in the AD’s office.
Just as it was time for Mike, it was time for Bob.
Moore is getting squeezed early by the ump
Arizona vs. UCLA on the main PAC-12 channel, Wazzu and ASU on the channel Oregon State is supposed to be on, and at least 3 (by my count) PAC-12 alternate channels with nothing on them. PAC-12 Networks is mindboggling.
…and no way to contact them that I can find..
There’s a thread up for baseball.
Has run its course : someone had to pay for the epic fail and mishandling of St. Riley’s tenure here. I don’t believe for a second that anyone here found GA, he called us. Absolutely fortunate, but it’s dumb luck on our part. I’m sure the donors don’t want to go thru the painful cultivation of a institution of mediocrity again.
Just saw the ducks got a commit from chris boucher, the juco basketball mvp we were running at one point to be going after. Fucking altman and his frankenstein team has some big time talent coming in next year
^^^Running=rumored^^^
With American Pharoah running in the 140th Preakness today around 2pm some parallels can be drawn in the race to become Oregon State’s next AD.
Early leaders:
Todd Stansbury (Favorable press and seems to have positive momentum building anongst the fanbase. Likeable guy, prioritizes football and major sports and likely good fundraiser/schmoozer when needed) Odds: 2:1
Greg Byrne (Has the respect of the administration. Oversees highly successful hoops program and sought out Rich Rod whose style of play has been popular in Tuscon. Hire wouldn’t pull on the heart strings like Stansbury but would be considered a splash around the Pac-12 and hit the national radar) Odds: 1:2
Pat Casey ( Bit older but very savvy and popular OSU coach has hinted in recent years he may be winding down his baseball career. If Scott Brosius could be his first hire as AD and baseball was put into capable hands it could work.) Odds: 2:5
Mark Massari: Thought by some to be an early leader out of the gate, momentum seems to be waning. Effective marketer but has rubbed others within the department over his two stints. Appears he can best be himself by remaining in a deputy AD role and a strong right hand man.) Odds: 2:7
The field ( Ed Ray is ready and willing to do what it takes for Oregon State Athletics to have an ascension. Football success will be a major focus but basketball will also be expected to make an NCAA appearance or two. After completion of the $42 million VFC project look for the Reser West Side to get prime attention. Ray is taking ownership of this hire and he wants it to complement the new changes and continue to propel OSU forward. External candidates will be interviewed and can bring new ideas to the table.) Odds: 1:2
Oops. I have the odds done wrong. Stansbury is who I expect is the current leader with Massari in the rear.
Guess it should read 1-2, 2-1, 5-2, 7-2 and 2-1 for all others in the field.
I’m betting it will be an outside person that none of us have heard of.