The game went somewhat how expected, with Washington being the superior physical team and manhandling the Beavs. From an OSU perspective, the Beav’s D was the clear story — I was saying in a prior thread these rebuilds aren’t linear and there’s a “two step forward, one step back” type pattern. This is the step back and it was predictable, but within that defeat there was a half step forward with the D. For a thin defense with a lack of experience they really have improved a ton since game 1, and over these past four games especially. Each week they’re better. To me it’s the positive takeaway.
The negatives are obviously Smith and Luton. The offensive line did get manhandled, but there are ways to combat that and we didn’t even try. Luton collapsed to the ground what looked like before he’d even receive the snap at times. I get it. The guy broke his neck and probably has PTSD. Smith should have had him out of that game in the second quarter when it was clear we had “the bad Luton” tonight (to me that was clear when the schedule read UW, but whatever).
Smith has now cost us 4 games in under two years. Not good. Not good at all. The recent string of success keeps his seat cool. But he is a liability vs good coaches and good teams. I’m not sure how you get a HC to learn or stop being so stubborn or aggressive at all the worst times…dude needs to read some books or something. He’s on the right track, but he’s also in his own way.
Luton lovers think we’re blaming him for this loss, but that’s far from the truth. Luton did the best he could, but he also did what we expected against this defense. The offensive line also did the best they could, they were overpowered. They can’t just suddenly gain 30 lbs each. No, this loss is on the coaches for either calling some offensive plays that exploited the defense, or putting in personnel who provides some additional options to exploit the defense. The coaches failed on both opportunities. Luton did the best he could, and shame on the coaches for expecting a miracle from him.
Agree completely.
Especially the first sentence. But passion on both sides of the Luton question likely to prevent much agreement.
I don’t get the passion, seems like people just want to be right more than paying attention to the arguments. Luton folds after being hit and doesn’t use progressions well. He doesn’t read the defense after the snap and just watches for his #1 to get open. He has lots of good things too but against a defense that doesn’t let your first two options open before the qb gets pressure hes always going to be in trouble.
I don’t think it really matters cause this year was never going to be a championship or anything but I am getting pretty tired of watching him stare into space until he throws it a away after 3-4 seconds.
He had nowhere close to 3 or 4 seconds last night. I’m neutral on the whole Luton debate but last night was more of an Oline fail than anything else.
Rewatch and count. My game notes aren’t perfect but they are better than memory. He had more than 3 seconds on 23 of the 32 throwing downs that I noted. 9 less than that ain’t great obviously.
My argument extends past this game too, we have seen the same behavior at some point in every game but Cal poly.
He developed a new wrinkle last night, stare down the primary then sling a junk ball to the RB outlet that had no chance to advance.
I’m with you on this one…
Those 2 4th down attempts in our own territory were head scratchers. We hadn’t shown any ability to get positive yardage when needed. Why gift UW short fields in a game that only had a slim margin at the time? We have a great punter, and who knows, maybe UW fumbles the reception and you turn it into points? Instead, we waste an opportunity to improve field position.
Too bad we don’t have a QB who is capable of running to help out in these situations when the defense is over pursuing. I’d imagine the remaining opponents know the blueprint now. Will we be prepared next time?
The 4th downs made no sense, and when in the post I write about him being aggressive at all the wrong times it’s things like that. Gebbia can run a bit. He would have been a smart choice (good aggressive move) when it was clear we had Bad Luton.
Lindgren really took a step back today.
Stat which needs context: At home the Beavs have had ZERO points (by the offense) in 9 of the 12 quarters played this season.
Assuming this leaves out the Cal Poly game?
Ok State, Utah and UW is a pretty tough home slate. Maybe not shutout tough, but much better defensive teams than our road games.
Conference games.
Stanford, Utah, UW
Showed complete lack of confidence in the D, and complete overconfidence in the O. I was yelling at the screen to punt, to do exactly what you said, switch the tables on field position. But just going for it wasn’t the only thing, it was the timing and the passing play calls when you have fresh running backs (at least at the time), JS should have gone uptempo with the thought they were going to run immediately on 4th down. Bad and unprepared gamble by the coaching staff.
Really bizarre decisions akin to the fake punt against Hawaii. Also, plays that might actually pick up four yards would help.
Beavs: 4-5 (3-3)
#TPB: 4-5 (2-4)
Heh.
Not bad for a couple of bluebloods
You can’t add this game as a strike against Luton. He basically had a guy in his face before his last step the whole game, he was never even given a chance. I would put this game more on the coaching staff because you have to recognize what the defense is doing and shift the gameplan to account for that. It looked like Luton did a decent job with what he was given by the offensive line and playcalling.
It seemed to me that we should have gone up-tempo and maybe ran more screens. Something to keep that d-line on their toes. RB flares, slants, etc. But at the end of the day, if the O-line can’t handle their D-line, its game over unless you got big time talent at WR and QB.
As much as I’m not a fan of Luton, Angry calling for Gebbia seems like a real monday morning quarterback thing to say. We’ve only seen him attempt 20 passes so far this year, and we have no idea what Smith and co. are seeing in practice. When Luton starts missing open receivers again then call for him to be replaced, but he’s been doing significantly better recently. I only remember two bad throws the whole game which is a huge step up for him. The beavs need something to ignite the offense and Gebbia could be that guy, or could not. I’ll take Smith’s judgement on this over a bunch of fans commiserating on a forum.
The D played great, and I think the beavs get one more win (hopefully the ducks, but more realistically WSU) because the offense will get their shit together for one of these remaining games.
It isn’t exactly Monday morning qb when he predicted that Bad Luton would appear in the pregame thread. Angry called it pregame and we all saw it in the 1st quarter. He wasn’t going to handle the pressure UW was able to present. Perhaps Gebbia would have gone out a run for his life rather than crumple into a fetal position pre-snap. Maybe a qb running for his life may make some impact beyond 329 straight possessions of 3 & out.
And if coaches gave up and realized that they couldn’t match up to the pressure no matter what play was called based on the personnel, then try changing the personnel? This happens with every other position but never at qb. Gebbia must be horrible and we are in big trouble.
Jack Sears saw a starting position available if Gebbia couldn’t get on the field for that train wreck…Sears probably signs this week so maybe that is the silver lining?
Gebbia almost beat out Luton per Smith and he’s a sophomore. Looked good when he played. Your deduction is he’s horrible?
But did we really see “bad Luton”? That’s what I was saying, he wasn’t even given a chance because of the o-line and play calling. My argument is that we saw average Luton, and average Luton doesn’t come dipped in vaseline. Nearly every bad/negative play could be pinned on the O-line or playcalling. It looked like Luton was only responsible for 3 or 4 bad plays the whole game, though I wasn’t keeping track closely. I’m going to give Smith the benefit of the doubt on this, with the doubt being that we don’t see Gebbia in practice every day.
They DID shift the game plan, but UW was too good. Both the middle and edges of the UW D were impenetrable so the only play even physically possible was a short route. They tried about every angle, but only so much you can do with that matchup.
From my game notes (yeah huge nerd) Luton had an open receiver on 3 of his 6 throwaways and had atleast 5 seconds to make a decision on 5 of the 6 throwaways.
He just doesn’t see the field. I agree that fans rarely have the full story on a backup
It’s funny, there was a handoff to I think Jefferson and he was blown up in the backfield. My 12-year-old was walking by the TV and said “why didn’t the QB pull it and run, the DE keyed on the RB. I laughed and said, we don’t have that type of QB!
We do, though. He’s just on the bench. Gebbia is pretty fast. At the very least he could work a play like that.
I think I know the play you are talking about. Luton had his back turned while handing the ball off, so it was probably a blown assignment by the O-line. I agree though that the read option is a good way to make an aggressive D-line stutter their feet, and that would be one of the reasons to put in Gebbia.
Cheez-its suck anyway.
I really like them in tomato soup. Is that wrong?
My orange colored glasses view is Smith is saving Gebbia for next year when we go undefeated and win the national championship.
I don’t really get the Luton issue. He has two problems that make him not a viable starting qb in every pac 12 game. First is that the doesn’t do progressions or read the defense well. He waits for his #1 to get open and sometimes goes for a #2 but typically just throws it away. The second is that once he receives contact (first sack or knock down) he panics for a series, if he keeps getting hit it never stops. The accuracy, funky mechanics and whatever else are fixable things but only he can fix his head game and I don’t see that happening in 4 more games. Against a defense that can get pressure he will crumple. I also don’t see what the harm is in throwing in another qb to see if you can get a change of pace when the starter goes 9 series in a row without a first down and has his eyes down after a 2 count.
The Smith argument is valid but I still maintain that its early. I don’t think Smith has his eyes on a bowl game in the future as success, I think he wants to be competing for PAC-12 champs. To me he is making high risk play calls and decisions now because quiet frankly he can. He was a risk taker as a player but he got better at managing his risk taking as he got more experience. Right now he is learning a new kind of risk management and he will never have a better time in his career to make his own learning experiences than now. If we keep seeing questionable coaching decisions in 2020 and 2021 without improvement then its a major issue.
I don’t understand why he won’t throw Gebbia in for a change of pace. My hope is that we just don’t have all the info on Gebbia that he does that would clear up the decision. If hes just being stubborn and loyal to a guy who can’t take the weight then Idk what to think.
Defense was absolute fire. Considering how young we are and the recruiting strategy I think were going to be monstrous over then next 3 years. My only real concern is DT depth but I think we will just scour the transfer portal for 5 stars who had to sit on a bench for 10 minutes and left.
Even against bad defenses, Luton doesn’t go through progressions very often, but the Beavs have good enough skill players to get open against weaker defenses. He was lucky he didn’t have two more picks last night. That throw to the RB(Pierce?) on 4th down was atrocious, I don’t think Luton had a clue that the defender faked the blitz and peeled off to cover. The throw to Tongia could have been intercepted. He has a strong arm, he’s Sean Mannion light.
What I don’t understand is that Luton is not the future of the program and I don’t think Smith feels win-now pressure yet. If the competition was truly close in Smith’s opinion, then why not go with Gebbia? This year’s team was never going to compete for championships. That’s why I don’t think Smith is sold on Gebbia. Luton should have been an afterthought who was fortunate to get another year. There are many upperclassmen who lose their position battles and hit the transfer portal, it’s cutthroat in the world of D1 football. Smith trades a year of game experience with Gebbia for Luton? It doesn’t make sense to me. I would not be shocked if Jack Sears is the QB next season.
Exactly, against a bad defense his early options get open and the blitz schemes are less complicated. Just watching his head movement you can tell he barely scans the field, it gets worse when he gets hit
“…it gets worse when he gets hit”….BINGO
Compare to Eason who, I hoped would fold after early D pressure, dropped passes, and ints. Didn’t happen.
One coaching factor: after the pick 6 Petersen stopped calling passes.
He broke his neck/back so I get it. PTSD, etc…
Just another reason Smith should have made the change.
Totally agree, it makes sense that he doesn’t like getting hit, he has had it about as bad as it can be and still come back.
My guess is that JS knows Gebbia is all he has for next year. Let Luton stay out there and take his shots, let the chips fall.
Prediction: if Sears commits we suddenly see Gebbia get extended time in the last 3 games.
That’s a good speculative theory.
The freshman coming in looks good, IMO. He has more than he thinks even without Sears.
Thats the arguement I made after Utah. Why break the young stallion when you have an old horse to take the damage.
That makes some sense, but again why waste a year on a QB who’s not even your recruit IF the talent was truly that close in your opinion? Get the sophomore going and you have an experienced backup in Luton in case of injury.
“I also don’t see what the harm is in throwing in another qb to see if you can get a change of pace when the starter goes 9 series in a row without a first down and has his eyes down after a 2 count.”
This ^
Does he have another redshirt? Is Smith trying to save him another year?
You are not going to move the ball if your o line is getting rag dolled on a consistent basis. Luton had little to no time to make a play but also didnt help by just curling up and not trying to do something with his feet. Can Gebbia make those plays with his feet? I think last night was a good game to give him a try. Throw him to the dogs and see what happens. All that being said, a more up tempo game plan with play calling that countered the fuskies aggressive play was needed and we just didnt see it.
The defense was nails for most of the game but wore down. I expected the fuskies to lay 40+ on them. There is some very young and improving players there and see a bright future on that side of the ball if they address the d line issues. It all starts up front on both sides of the ball.
The Beavs are overmatched in possible every position vs the Huskies. So, rationale says it’s hard to put that on the head coach.
I actually thought the Beav secondary outplayed the UW receiving corp for most of the game. The rotation has stabilized and results are improving. I hope David Morris can play through the pain and get healthy for next season.
I thought so too and I was freaking shocked. Both the ints were quality play too, not just luck on a tip ball. Grants gave me fond Sabby tingles and wright used his frame to block out and high point a ball he saw coming for days. Great signs.
Great interceptions and Grant’s not even a starter yet. Wright has a brother who may come to OSU. It would be nice to see a better than average secondary again. Last night was a nice look at the possibilities. It will be interesting to see what they do against Wazzu.
Yup, I have Austin, Grant, Wright and Forest as players that will take a big step next year.
Grant had a horrific injury not long ago, I thought he was done. Good to see him healthy and obviously playing his mind out.
Lol, okay I said possibly… I guess I should’ve said O-line, D-line, RB’s, QB’s.
I would agree the secondary and LB’s played pretty well. What I’m saying is Angry chalks this up on Smith as if he cost us this game… that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Beavs overmatched at OL was obvious but to say they are overmatched at RB doesn’t align with reality.
I’m newish here so this is a real question. Is you Schtick to just disagree and attack Angry every post? It would make sense with the name obviously.
Yes.
His other shtick is he pretends to know Pat Casey. Be careful — there’s something wrong with him.
I don’t know that Smith cost this game, but what is his accountability for the team being non-competitive on offense (or Lindgren’s for that matter)? The offense did better last year against UW! Statistically, UW is not an elite defense, so to what degree is this on the game plan or the player execution? 100 yards of offense in a D-1 college game is a pathetic result, I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but you sort of make it sound like this result was a foregone conclusion. Maybe it was? Remember that Utah game where GA said days before that they were not going to run the ball because the Ute run defense was too strong? As demented as GA was, at least he gave us advance warning!
Smith made more errors. Whether they cost the game or not neither can ever be proven. But the onside kick, going for the 4th downs, etc…all stupid/reckless/poor decision making skills. That he doesn’t learn from errors is a cause of concern.
Smith sticking with Luton appears to be nothing more than stubbornness. Smith said Gebbia nearly beat out Luton. We have a sophmore who nearly beat out a sixth year senior. That means they are very close. Gebbia might be better now. Smith refuses to play him. That’s stubbornness and/or fear people would ask why Gebbia wasn’t in all year. Only logical deductions. Every other excuse people come up with is speculation…possible but speculation.
I made mention earlier in the week I didn’t think Smith would play beta for Peterson the way Andersen did for his former boss when Andersen wouldn’t even attempt a run.
Smith got over-agressive on the 4th down calls in bad territory. The was playing well, he needed to consider the game and not just the series. Flip the field, it looked like it was headed for a low scoring game with TOs and last possession likely important. His D came through, even on TOs. Grant’s read and intercept reminded me of Poyer reading and pick sixing that USC QB…
Why not try Gebbia a few series with some read option? How many times were there mulitple TEs on the field?
Holding UW to that score was a job well done in today’s college game.
It’s interesting that Smith is reckless with some in-game decisions but conservative in this key personnel decision. I look at it as Smith is either not being truthful about his assessment of Gebbia (and that’s his right as head coach) or Luton is such an outstanding leader that a decision to not make him the starter would have torn the team apart (I doubt that). Stubbornness seems odd given that this is a huge rebuilding project, I would think a 6th-year pedestrian QB would not be part of the mix, but he is. Oh well, it’s almost over.
So much to like about the D.
-Weekly improvement,
-played a full 60 minutes in a discouraging game,
-the D is more than just one guy (lookin’ at Ham)
-Aydon is having fun and in so much better shape, took till senior year to get serious
-several underclassmen who will continue to grow for a couple years
-Gumbs should return next year, lots of potential there
-Mr. Tibs
What am I missing?…….and, did I mention, they don’t quit?
Moore should also make a big impact. Whittley is crazy off the snap, he needs another year of conditioning. Tips scheme is working pretty well and the guys are starting to really understand it.
A bit OT: The D is ahead of the offense in terms of physical play, going toe to toe with UW for 60 shows they are hitting a new level. Is there a trend in football where a physical defense leads to an increase in physicality on offense? I can’t imagine getting the shit beat out of you at practice all the time would be fun so you might pick up your game. When I think back on really physical programs (Stanford, UW, Utah) it always seems to start with a physical defense and the offense follows.
Only caught first half, but noticed on a lot of the plays #34 & #36 if not making the tackle, was in on the assist and/or around the ball.
#9 ofc, was very active as well.
All a positive signs & look forward to seeing more of that in near future.
Avery Roberts (34) is probably the best transfer we got, when he is in the game the impact is instant. He was out for Utah and it was obvious.
Omar Speights (36) is an incredible true freshman. Makes sense you saw him all over against UW cause he tied the single game tackle record (18). Guy makes fantastic reads.
Hamiclair Radshed (9) is an absolute animal. He’s tied for the single season sack record. He showed some stuff last year but he has really put it together and be one an elite rush backer.
Isn’t there a scout team offense and scout team defense? The #1 offense and #1 defense don’t go up against each other in practice do they?
Generally not during the season. They do in the fall and spring.
Amen….
More good stuff about the D. You gotta love the attitude shown in this quote from Grant:
“I feel like we left some plays out there and allowed them to have some big gains and kind of gave them some stuff,” he said. “We will go back and watch the film critique ourselves and try to play better next game.”
“…try to play better next game”…………that’s the attitude of a winner!
https://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-beavers-offense-shut-down-in-loss-to-huskies/article_b222e68c-48dd-5200-a368-fdbac8e9d1cf.html
Yeah he sounds awesome.
Bow Down!!
Still good, thanks.
BOW DOWN!!
Stay classy!………oops, can’t stay if you’ve never been there.
BOW DOWN!!
@Nuclear, can you share the Cliff’s Notes version of your system for in game note taking?
Uhhh ill do that next game haha. My notes are in a short hand code that I can barely understand. I don’t usually take as many notes but this being such a huge game I wanted more understanding of Luton’s game and some of the defensive trends we have going. Ill setup something better before hand and post it next week.
Horrible offense and Luton was shell shocked for almost the entire game.
When it was 3rd and 3 just before midfield, I was telling my friend the Beavs have to run twice to max out chances for a first down. Cause an incomplete on 3rd leaves you with too tricky and too low of odds on 4th there.
Had to just be Jefferson or Pierce for a quick hit and 2 or 3 yards. Then if 4th and 1 you can manage that and are much more likely to get the 1st down you need. Once we were cgc incomplete on 3rd, then you need to punt. This situation comes up fairly regularly and not enough coaches were like Erickson who always understood positive yardage gives your team momentum and it’s best chance.
Better be accurate if going to throw and instead Luton threw an off target dart to Bradford.
It seems like every third down the target was a player that was behind the first down line. Once or twice is one thing, but every f’ing time? It’s not like YAC stats were showing an advantage.
Defense did its job. How many years has it been since we could say that?
An old MR trick, still having flashbacks.
I assume you are referring to the Sean Canfield 4 yard crossing route on 3rd and 9?
Defense was awesome. Luton would only do 1 or 2 reads ans dump the ball off before he got hit.
Hey BeavGopher I’m watching Minnesota. I’d like to see them take down PedoState, RevBeav’s alma matter.
Angry, I’m beginning to think your ability to analyze sports is second only to your talent for stirring the pot! Both pretty good………lol
The Gophers look the part of an undefeated team so far, but if they win, it helps the Quacks, right?
Watching the quaks embarass the pac 12 in the playoffs is great though
Not questioning the onside kick myself. Everyone on here would be saying great call if successful. As good as the defense had played up to that point it was a decent call. It was a piss poor kick and part of the ongoing trouble with place kicking.
Not me. I’d say “it worked but bad call”…bad calls do sometimes work. My question would be why do it? Why is the risk worth it? I can’t see any good reason other than greed/reckless gambling. The D was playing great no need to do it. Thus bad call no matter the outcome. I feel the same about the 4th downs. I don’t see the reasoning other than reckless gambling that maybe it would work. If the D were playing terrible I’d get all three calls.
Onside kick was not a bad call. Others were but lumping in exactly what the saints did in the Superbowl makes my question how you decide good and bad. A jolt was needed.
Down 10 points with the D playing great. Why was a jolt needed then and there? What the Saints did in a Super Bowl has zero to do with the Beavs last night.
Total narcissist. You make me laugh so hard. Thanks
Convincing argument. Bravo.
So they shouldn’t have done an onside kick (a) terrible kickers (b) field position game (c) D playing lights out.
Your counter argument is the Saints did it in an NFL game a decade ago and I’m a narcissist, so they should have done it. That’s just great.
Why don’t we know the kickoff time for the ASY game yet?
TV.
But, we do know that WBB is on PAC12 at 6 today, vs Anteaters.
Last week i read it will be either 1:30 or 4:30(i think at least) and the slot we’re being given will be announced monday.
Men play Iowa St. at 1:30 on P-12 Network. Women play UC Irvine at 6 pm on P-12 Network. I’m taking this from the Oregonian’s sports section.
I think he was asking about the ASU football game next week. At least that’s what my reply is in reference to
Heard from a Blitz member the site exploded last night saying Smith should have played Gebbia. Interesting. Even the old guard has turned.
But you’re the asshole for suggesting it.
I guess Beaver fans are all slowly turning into assholes(except a select few)
https://www.reddit.com/r/DownvoteGifs/comments/43sp1b/im_surrounded_by_assholes/
What ever happend to the scout.com crew? It was still strong when I was in college. I recognize some of the names around here but some of the bigger ones like OrangeAttack I don’t see anywhere on the net.
Why? As I predicted before the game yesterday the O line would be dominated and there’d be no run game, a pressured pocket and receivers wouldn’t get separation. Luton’s 67% completion rate for less than 5 yards per completion proved that. I guess they have a lot of fans on that site that have never played football or don’t understand the game beyond QB play either.
Give up. Everyone sees your son for what he is.
My connection was to the 3rd string QB that got beat out by Luton and switched to linebacker. I do know a little bit about what goes on behind the scenes and why Luton is the starter. Unfortunately, it doesn’t fit the narrative that you keep trying to push. Sorry pal. You have your cronies that will plus 1 you but you have no clue when it comes to evaluating QB play. Is your site still for sale? It’s a great forum if only you didn’t feel the need to be the voice.
Tell us what goes on behind the scenes then. I’ll listen if you have factual information.
All ears…er eyes, here. Any hints at why Luton is the starter are worth discussing.
Received a tip today that this dude is interested in OSU and wants to play college ball with a buddy of his, Jonathan Riley(Riley is the JC DB on visit this weekend)
Nathan Proctor Jr. was a 4* OLB coming out of highschool. Under Armor all american. Had a great offer sheet, ended up at Virginia Tech but then went the JC route(grades?)
December grad, so he would be able to come to campus for Winter term. Hope the Beavs are taking a look. He looks to be of the Omar Speights mold.
Can’t hurt to retweet this and the reply below it to help get the coaches to take notice.
https://twitter.com/BeavRecruiting/status/1193212199616925696?s=19
Some sites had him at 4* , some at 3*, fwiw.
Here’s his 2017 offer list.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2017/nathan-proctor-1966#school-interests
Oh well if hes only a 4/3 I don’t think we want him! haha
Any word on Sears or any of the other virtues last night?
Visitors are still on campus. You probably won’t hesr much till they leave, unless someone commits while on visit
They are only virtues if they actually sign their letter!
Damn, angry will like that offer list.
Death is better than watching the OSU offense last night.
I would not go that far; then again the defense outscored the offense. One could call that performance offensive?
I suppose. Hard for me to know. There is only one television down here and they only show Duck games. Its also really hot.
I can tell Hell has taken a toll on your energy also. It’s not like you to pass up an opportunity to do an eight paragraph post.
@angry getting a 431 error on mobile (andriod)
HTTP 431? How embarrassing
I know, I’m embarrassed that I have let the headers get so out of control during my requests, shame.
Clear your browser/cookies.
All fixed up, thanks
Is this the old PureOrange.net site with a new name?
Eggers,
“There’s a balance between aggressive and smart coaching. Oregon State’s offense had done virtually nothing, so chances of converting the fourth down weren’t great. The OSU defense had kept Washington’s offense in check through the first half. A punt would have put the Huskies deep in their territory and almost assured OSU would go into halftime still in the game. The fourth-down failure could have resulted in a 17-0 deficit at the break. The Beavers were fortunate it didn’t. “
PS: Eggers wasn’t impressed with the onside attempt either.
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/443262-357515-beavers-offense-comes-up-empty-
And after continuous 3 and outs on offense, it was pretty evident this combo of OLine and Luton wasn’t going to get it done. Options to switch it up would have been to rotate in other Linemen…..or try a mobile QB for a series to see if that helps counter the pressure with an added dimension.
But we didn’t even try either. Bummer.
I am wondering if he would have played colletto if he wasn’t redshirting.
I’m still pretty fine with it. Hes learning in a year that is still rebuilding. If he doesn’t get better in the next couple years then I would say hes going to lose us a lot of games. This year he is already double expectations from most prognosticators. Going balls out every close game is an opportunity he won’t always have.
Is anyone able to find the hoops game on tv
Pac12 network at 1:30
O-Live says P12 network but I don’t see it listed on P12’s schedule
Edit: NM its on P12 Oregon
You have to live stream it and then cast it, if you can (or want to).
Anybody got a mens bb score?
65-64 good guys 7 min left in 2nd
UPDATE:
Beavs by 5 after two three’s by Tinkle, under a minute to go.
Beavs up 72-68 with 5 min. to play
Beavs up 72-69 with 3:30 to go
Beavs up 78-73 with 1 min. to go. Tinkle with back to back 3’s. He has 27 pts and 10 reb.
Beavs win 80-74
ASU QB is out. They started a 4-star backup and he’s thrown 4TDs vs USC. Looks like it’s uncertain which will play vs the Beavs.
Damn is the other kid hurt or did they just swap out?
You see Colorado beat Stanford?
He’s hurt this week. He might be back for OSU.
I saw that CO game. Boulder has a lot of obnoxious people so it’s hard to root for them.
You got that right.
Joey Yellen was the recruit i wanted us to land last year after Bachmeier went to Boise St. ASU signed 3 quarterbacks last class and we couldnt land one, aside from the walkon related to Coach Chryst.
Sounds like he had a good debut and maybe should have been the starter? But who am I to doubt a head coaches personnel decisions? I’m sure Herm had the best guy out there at the beginning of the game.
Their starter was pretty good when I watched him. Good runner, decent passer. I only saw him a little. Yellen was a beast today…great passer. I haven’t seen enough of either to know which I’d rather face next weekend. Probably the less mobile guy in Yellen.
Hope the original starter plays!
USC is so horribly coached it is difficult to gauge.
YAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOO!
Thank you Gophers
Nama goes down too
I am hoping Oklahoma can get back in the hunt. Fun team to watch
LSU is for real.
I’m guessing USC is wishing they had given Orgeron a chance.
Will Minnesota get the respect they deserve? Should be about #5 I think.
Almost threw up listening to ESPN commentators talk for 10 minutes after the game about how much Alabama still deserved to be in the CFP because of their strong performance.
And yet LSU beat bama at bama. Smh
If minn is not ranked above Oregon that will be a travesty.
Who the hell would downvote this? How many Quacks sneak in here to thumbs down shit?
No shit. FTD
https://twitter.com/nickdaschel
Anyone know about what this guy said. UCLA Theo Howard and a firmer asu kicker visiting this weekend?
Did someone on here say he was interested in Oregon St.? 50 plus receptions for UCLA in 17 and 18. Looks he could be a solid addition, especially if Hodgins leaves early.
Edit- The Oregonian reported that both Howard and Ruiz were on campus. I’m sure Nicebeaver will update if there is any news. Both look like they could be starters next season if they come on-board.
Anyone been able to determine Howard’s major in college? I am curious if he is looking for a graduate program that is strong at OSU such as engineering or the vet program etc. Never know how important academics are compared to say playing time.
Nice win by the boys hoopsters today.
Was nice to see them weather the rally by Iowa St and retake the lead in the closing minutes. Kelley’s offense has improved quite a bit. His 2 late dunks were key as well as his rim protection, and Tres hit some big 3’s to seal it.
ET with another poor shooting performance(3-11) He’s at 23.5% on the season through these 2 games.
If they can get him going offensively, this team will be tough to outscore most nights.
Oregon women beat team USA? Lol talk about an obvious Phil Knight Nike payoff. Nike SPONSORS USA basketball you don’t think they pick who wins? Lol this is bullshit
It’s an exhibition. Nobody wins
The Oregonian put this exhibition on the front page of their sports page in bold headlines.
Of course it had to be Oregon to be the first team since 1999 to beat Team USA. They just throw money at anything and instantly become a dynasty. Give credit where credit is due, but it still disgusts me.
Hole football and baseball have had piles of Phil’s money thrown at them and neither resembles a dynasty.
Just a note, this was the Beavs worst offensive performance in 26 years, 109 yards against ASU in 1993. UW defense is good, but not that good. The offense stunk up the joint on a historic level with plenty of blame to go around. Coaching, OL and QB all contributed to this disaster. Need to see marked improvement next year against the Huskies, much of their defense will be back.
Here are the events on each opening drive for Oregon state this season:
Okie State: Luton pass for 7 yards, Jermar 8 yard run, etc = TD
Hawaii: Jermar runs 3 yards, offensive holding, pass complete for 23 yards, sack, Jermar runs for 46 yards, etc = TD
Cal Poly: pass complete 4 yards, AP 10 yard gain, AP no gain, AP 18 yard gain, 20 yard pass complete, etc = TD
Stanford: 6 yard pass, AP 4 yards, AP 8 yards, 9 yard pass, Jermar 4 yard run, Jermar 5 yard run, etc = missed FG
UCLA: AP 7 yard run, 12 yard pass, AP 8 yards, pass broken up, 45 yard pass, etc = TD
Utah: AP 1 yard run, AP 1 yard loss, Luton sacked = punt
CAL: Luton sacked, 5 yard pass, incomplete pass, false start = punt
Arizona: AP 4 yard run, incomplete pass, 23 yard pass, AP 6 yard run, Jermar 10 yard run, etc = TD
UW: incomplete pass, 10 yard pass, Luton sacked for -11 yards, Jermar 8 yard run, 3 yard pass = Punt
Interesting How if Luton gets sacked in the first series, it appears the BEAVS will go 3 and out. If he doesn’t get sacked, we’ve either scored a TD, or had a chance at kicking a field goal.
Stanford:
2nd possession: 1st & 20 at ORST 16, sacked on 1st & 20 after a penalty = 3 and out punt
4th possession: 1st & 10 at Stanford 25, 2 first downs to the 50 yard line, then sacked on 1st and 10. 2 more first downs before getting sacked 2 times in a row to end the half.
CAL:
1st possession: 1st & 10 at ORST 26, sacked first play, 5 yard pass, pass incomplete, punt
2nd possession: 3rd & 11 on the ORST 46 sacked for -9 yards, punt
5th possession: 1st @ 10 at CAL 31, sacked for -8 yards, AP 7 yard gain, 12 yard pass complete, holding penalty, tyjon 10 yard run, 16 yard pass complete, 4 yard pass = TD
8th possession: 1st & 10 ORST 34 sacked for -7 yards, pass incomplete, pass complete 5 yards, punt
11th possession: 2nd & 10 at ORST 40, sacked for -18 yards and declined intentional grounding penalty, AP 13 yard gain, punt
Arizona:
5th possession: 1st & 10 at ORST 36, Luton sacked for -1 yards, AP 4 yard run, 43 yard pass to Irish, AP 14 yard run, AP 4 yard run for TD
9th possession: 1st & 10 at ORST 47, sacked for 5 yard loss, 7 yard pass to AP, offensive holding penalty, 6 yard pass to BJ Baylor, punt
Washington:
1st possession: 1st & 10 ORST 35, sacked -11 yards, Jermar 8 yard run, 3 yard pass to Jermar, punt
6th possession: 1st &10 ORST 36, sacked for -8 yards, pass incomplete, AP 7 yard run, punt
7th possession: 2nd & 7 at ORST 42, sacked for -7 yards, 10 yard pass to Bradford, 4th & 4 at ORST 45 throws interception.
And when Luton gets sacked he fades back 7 yards or so. He is never trying to break the pocket and move up towards the line of scrimmage. Sacks are a killer. It’s nice our defense is giving some payback in that department. Smith will be able to recruit better o lineman. I’d be curious look back at the recruiting. In that position group. Seems like it’s traditionally been walkons they have to develop.
I seem to remember him stepping up in the pocket more earlier in the year which was an improvement from last year. Seems like as the defenses get tougher he has regressed to his retreat to the back of the pocket and throw the ball away habits.
Also, it really seemed like the offense was starting to hit a groove on that drive when JJ got hurt. He was gashing them pretty good and as soon as he went out it was over.
To be fair to Luton, It looked like UW was getting good pressure up the middle also. Total meltdown by the OL, which many of us thought was a strength of the team. UW defense was on fire, they seemed to know what the play was going to be before it started. Even the screens which looked promising were quickly snuffed out. Obviously, the coaches had no idea what adjustments to make as the 2nd half was worse than the first.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/collegesports/amp/Frauds-WSU-coach-Mike-Leach-tears-into-players-14823936.php
There’s a point where that becomes abuse and he loses the team and maybe gains lawsuits. He’s about there, and it’s probably wearing thin on those players. I don’t find it amusing anymore, and I have a pretty high threshold.
Beavs chances of beating them just went up because these players are going to bail on Leach.
With Leach, I don’t know if it’s schtick or truly mental health issues. He doesn’t seem to see his accountability in the big picture. I sort of wanted him at OSU just for the amusement factor (and maybe a quick fix if I’m being honest), but it has to burn out at some point, he’s a bizarre dude.
He has a short shelf life of levity and patience (for him) for whatever reason. I’m surprised he’s lasted this long. Erickson never liked to be in one place too long, but he knew it and admitted it to himself and moved on. Leach seems to reach a point where its time to go and he just sort of pushes it until he loses people then gets pushed out(?).
Dang, I’ve played for that kind of coach before in high school. Some guys will respond, while others will have lost faith in the coach. You can rip into your players on occasion, but not after every loss, because then they will start to play to not get yelled at versus play for the sake of the game. No one likes getting yelled at for no reason. I can understand yelling or ripping into a certain group in the room, say the offense only at Oregon state without the defensive unit in the room listening to it. Yelling at the whole team accomplished nothing when your whole team is losing. Leach seems like the coach that harps on players for mistakes than trying to focus on the positives while pointing out the negatives at the same time.
Psychologically he seems to be the anti-Riley. Smith is a combo of Riley and Erickson. Gets upset more than Riley does, but doesn’t accept the penalties.
TIME FOR THE “GOOD” LUTON ?
We’ve seen that Luton can have ups and downs. (Never mind how “up” and how “down”, never mind the cause or causes)
Seems to me a return to the mean will result in at least one Good Luton appearance in the next few weeks.
His calling card is supposed to be the rocket arm/ability to make long throws, the next two opponents were gashed by explosive plays this weekend:
Danny Gonzales, the ASU DC, said this about their loss to SC:“The difference in the game were the two one-play scores. That’s how teams like that beat you.”
The Cougs writer says: “Once again, the big plays were a big issue in WSU’s defensive dud against Cal on Saturday at Memorial Stadium. Seven times in the 33-20 loss, the Cougars gave up a run or pass play of 20 yards or longer.”
Good Luton + opponents who have had problems giving up big plays + a Beavs D which improves each week……………..could that add up to 1 or 2 more W’s?
CAVEAT: How many long, explosive plays has Luton actually shown us this year?
Links:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2019/11/09/asu-football-commentary-time-young-sun-devils-show-growth/2551183001/
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/nov/09/yet-again-washington-states-defense-doomed-by-expl/
Why can’t Barnes get some of the Power 5 dumpster fires on future Beaver schedules instead of sending the team to Hawaii and Fort Collins for losses? Chad Morris fired at Arkansas after getting rolled by Western Kentucky yesterday. One article says they are targeting Gus Malzahn, WFT?
Gus is a HS legend in the state. There was talk of this several years ago.
THIS ‘n THAT:
ASU game set for 4:30, per Eggers
Rough week in the CBS poll; only 5 degenerates with a 50% or better record!
And……Semper Fi……….happy birthday to all you marines!
heh, heh, I see regs have been changed to allow your use of umbrellas!
I didn’t get to see it, but the MBB win over Iowa State looks like a good one. ISU was considered a bubble tourney team and our record against non-conference majors has not been good under WT.
Not much depth apparent in the box score. Hopefully some of the young guys will get more comfortable as the year goes on.
Granted, it’s a small sample size, but the new guys actually look like D-1 players this year. Kelly is also significantly improved on the offense. They are doing well even with Ethan shooting 25% from the field (and he’s taking a lot of shots). WT should move him to shooting guard and play Vernon at the point. Either Hollins or Reichele can come off the bench.
ISU has a good men’s b-ball program. Definitely an encouraging sign.
Curious to see how they perform against Oklahoma.
Nothing confirmed yet, but a “Brandon Ruiz” is appearing in the student directory. It could be the kicker who visited this weekend, or the possibility exists there’s another person named Brandon Ruiz already enrolled at OSU. I should have checked before the weekend to see if it existed. Regardless, we should know soon if we have a new kicker.
The kicker Brandon Ruiz was a former Alabama commit who flipped late to ASU(near home) in the 2017 class. 247 had hin rated #2 nationally coming out of highschool.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu-recruiting/2017/01/16/williams-field-kicker-brandon-ruiz-commits-asu/96635056/
That’s good.
But…wasn’t Chouker ranked a 5-star kicker?
By his dad
Kicker ratings are pretty misleading. I think most people go with the Chris Sailer rating as the standard, but his scale is:
5* = D1 prospect
4* = D2 prospect
3*….
By that metric, every player on our roster would be a 5* prospect.
https://chrissailerkicking.com/player-rankings/profile?player=6435
Yeah I remember something like that when Chouker signed — how that rating system was pretty bad and there was one guy in America scouting punters, and I think he ran the camp they all went to…
Come to my camp! I produce 5* kickers!
Fwiw, 247 doesn’t even have a profile for Choukair, but they rated Ruiz as the #2 kicker in the country, but only 3*.
Not sure what sliding scale would have a top 2 player at any position fall into the 3* category? That would only make sense if there were only 2 or 3 kickers total in the nation. Basically, kicker ratings are pretty bogus. But looking at offers helps.
Choukair’s other offers were SDSU, Hawaii and Arizona
Ruiz had Alabama, ASU, Arizona, Army, Navy, Iowa St, Tennessee and a few others.
And who knows how many teams held off on offering him while he was committed to Alabama.
Now watch, the Ruiz in the student directory is just another dude with the same name. Keep in mind, nothing is confirmed yet. I’ve put out feelers, but nobody is responding, so right now the only evidence of us landing a new kicker is the student directory showing a dude with that name.
37/49 75% and 94/95 on PAT’s. I think career-long 52 yards. Does he have two years of eligibility? Not sure about the severity of his injury this season. Considering how the kicking is going this year and last, he would be a huge addition.
Any idea as to what’s going on with these quality transfers? Is Smith getting a good reputation? He comes off as humble and sincere. I would think that appeals to experienced players.
Was wondering the same thing about how Smith is doing it. Can’t hurt that the current transfers, save Gebbia and Eldredge, have played well and were high profile guys.
Gebbia and Eldredge haven’t played well? Both have when they were healthy or on the field. Eldredge might have been our best lineman before he got hurt.
Didn’t include Gebbia or Eldridge as Gebbia has I was thinking of players that have made significant contributions. Eldridge has only been in 1.5 games from what I can see and Gebbia 3 games going 12/20 in mop up duty.
You must mean that time when Gebbia hit his own lineman for a pick… Based off his stats this year, he’d have to complete 60 passes to reach 300 yards in a game… his longest pass is 15 yards… not exactly world beating numbers but we know he’s amazing angry ;)
Keep digging your own grave, Chuck. We see how well that worked for A@A with his infamous “McM will never start for OSU” comment.
AKBeav, both of those guys played well when they did play.
Lol… here we go again… I actually supported McM and I am not A@A… McM is a way better QB than Gebbia is right now… if you can’t see that you are Gebbias relative… my original comment was based off of your take that Gebbia has played well and I just wanted to show you his numbers… imo that is not playing well, but I know, he has moxie and tangible stats/results don’t matter when we are talking about him (although they matter with everyone else)
I honestly don’t even know what you’re talking about. Is McM even playing anywhere? If he isn’t then I’m sure Gebbia is better. If he is, who the hell knows because you’re comparing college to some other game. Literally nothing can even be addressed in what you wrote. Apples/oranges.
Regarding Gebbia, if you didn’t see something special in his limited time then you don’t know how to analyze QBs. That’s fine. Just step aside and let people who do know what to look for do their thing. You’re better off having no opinion than an opinion about something you don’t see or understand.
You mean to tell me that Gebbia is a better college QB than McM yet he’s never even played a game against a first string college level team?… There is plenty of film of McM playing CFB… not so much for Gebbia… your basing your opinion on HS football highlights… Apples to Apples would be looking at McM and Gebbias NCAA film which would tell you all you need to know… but hey let’s not live in reality, let’s live in Angrys reality
McM isn’t a college QB.
Great response lol… here is a question for you… do you think Gebbia will have one better season than McM did his senior year? Think about that comparison then you might get my comments… I know it’s hard to connect the dots, maybe I should number them for you
Ruiz will commit. Hayes will leave, continue to develop and be an nfl kicker.
Don’t you mean All Pro kicker?
Was reading that Brandon Ruiz won’t graduate from ASU till the Summer, and he would have 2 years of eligibility remaining after he grad transfers.
But that also makes me skeptical that the student directory listing is him. Seems like he would have to graduate from ASU before he enrolls at OSU.
Still an unknown at this point.
Perhaps just accepted and enrolled for fall but not yet on campus?
Edit: Probably no reason a person couldn’t enroll at more than one school.
Poor offensive game scheme as I expected. I posted that Lindgren needed a scheme to get the ball out of Luton’s hands quickly, spread the field from sideline to sideline, run some misdirection plays such as fly sweeps to keep WA LBs honest, etc. and none of that occurred from what I watched. Luton wasn’t effective at all but that was due to poor offensive line play, virtually very little time to throw and the coaching staff lack of game preparation and planning. They did the same exact scheme vs. Utah and expected a different result doing the same vs. WA. Insanity: the definition of doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. One thing I didn’t expect was an epic effort by the defense and that’s a very, very positive sign. If the Defense can bring that sort of effort and tackling in the last 3 games, they have a shot to win 2 of the 3 but one thing about a rebuild and that’s inconsistency…you never know which team offensively and now defensively will show up. Hopefully, the coaching staff will be much better in the last three games scheming a plan to make the Beaver’s offense more successful. ZERO first downs in the second half? Yikers!
Hasn’t Lindgren received kudos here for his play calling in several games this season? Does he actually have a chink in his armor which is exposed by physical defenses? Hard to figure. Maybe some D Coordinators (and teams) are simply better than others at countering Lindgrens plans?
I’ll revise my earlier remark:
Good Luton + opponents who have had problems giving up big plays + a Beavs D which continues to improve each week + an OC who regains his earlier mojo……………..could that add up to 1 or 2 more W’s?
Speaking of Lindgren and play calling: gotta wonder if our 6th year QB is given the OK to change the play at the LOS.
Several times the Dawgs D-line lined up no one between the B gaps, leaving a gaping hole in the center of the line. And, in those cases, there was no LB close to the LOS to immediately fill that hole. Seems a checkdown to a rush over C would have been worth a try. Those situations weren’t all against an empty backfield, were they?
What did I miss?
I saw that also but thought it was probably a trap set up that would lure us into a check down run up the middle but had a lineman from each side looping from outside to inside at the snap to assist the ML (and or safeties) in stopping the run. Possible?
You never know if something works unless you try it out. They could have stunted. Or not. And if that was their original ‘trap move’ then run right at the point of stunting? Stunt the stunt. Don’t have your lineman reach block on a stunt because that’s why defenses do it. If the DE and DT stunt, have the guard take the DE on the inside stunt and the Tackle take the DT on the outside stunt. Basically a trap play.
You’re right, we probably wouldn’t have lost anything by trying it.
PAC 12 issues statement on a “mechanics error” which cost Leach 57 yds on one play Saturday. Penalty which should have been assessed against Bears was marked off against Cougs.
“…The penalty was on the kicking team number 15, not the receiving team, and the penalty should have been assessed on California …
The Conference confirmed the penalty for hands to the face was correct. However, the mechanics and communication were incorrect in assessing the penalty to Washington State instead of California.
https://pac-12.com/article/2019/11/10/pac-12-acknowledges-mechanics-error-washington-state-california-game
Yikes. Pac refs are the worst.
This just confirms it.
And, the suspended zebra will return to action the week the Beavs visit Pullman.
Exactly where he’ll be practicing his “craft” upon his return has not been announced.
Since its basketball season and we’re beating dead horse on the UW game.
Has anyone ever considered moving the chainsaw sound effect into Gill? They could play it when the other team is shooting free throws? Let it work it’s magic there…. like it does in football?
OT: Yesterday was a magical moment here in Minneapolis that makes CFB awesome. A dream matchup and outcome, particularly with all the experts and pundits giving us no chance.
Isn’t WSU where Luton got his neck broken? Hope he doesn’t retreat even more because of his PTSD.
Colorado state decapitated luton.
Rammed him?
I think it was wsu
Correct
Wasted a fantastic performance by Tibesar’s D. The O line was manhandled by U Dub. I’m shocked that the O staff had not game planned for that possibility.They kept doing the same crap. Dogs made enough errors that the game was there for the taking, but we did not take advantage of the gifts.Seems like when the D plays over their head the O stinks it up. JS did what I was afraid of and tried to out Peterson Peterson with the two reckless 4th
down calls. Trying to please daddy syndrome. Play calling was not creative.