Everything is divisive enough, and some people don’t like the political discussion lately, but let’s face it, it’s an election year and we all have nothing else to do, so politics it is for now. Stop reading now if you fall in this camp. Fair warning. If you complain about this topic it’s because you DIDN’T STOP HERE.
Last chance: STOP HERE.
Moving on.
Something I noticed is that “Trumpers” tend to dig in and double down just like the Riley supporters. Same arguments. If you criticized Riley, they’d bring up the lack of better alternatives, he’s trying his best and that’s what matters, OSU can’t do any better because it’s OSU, any flaws he had were rationalized away. Same thing happens with Trump. If he lies it’s just who he is, he’s better than lying Killery, etc. A million excuses why we all just didn’t get it.
That StateU poster made me realize this. He really dug in on Trump. He even went so far to say it’s only Republicans on Mt. Rushmore, suggesting therefore Republicans are somehow the better Party. Meanwhile, Republicans before 1930 were essentially what we define as Democrats today. That’s why Lincoln was with the North and anti-slavery, Roosevelt created the National Parks, etc. Democratic policies. If you research this, you’ll see the parties switched in what they stand for…this is fact, even admitted by some of the most staunch Republicans. Can source if needed, or just Google the history of this.
Anyway, StateU would have been a guy who, in 2009 when Riley was clearly done after CW defeat and the subsequent the Nevada Bowl beatdown, would say he’s the best we can do.
Then there are people who call it like it is. Riley was average for a while. Riley would make a good OC. Etc. These people freely admit his strengths. Same with Trump. I can admit he had a few good ideas, like criticizing the FED, which he completely caved on, or getting off China. He caved or went the wrong way in executing them. I don’t think he has any redeeming qualities at this point since he couldn’t execute on anything. Riley was at least was a decent OC and popular with recruits’ parents til the bitter end.
We can all be fooled. I fell for Gary Andersen and Wayne Tinkle. I didn’t really fall for Trump, but I did vote for him, knowing very likely he was a piece of shit. But I did it to stick it to Social Justice Warriors who were telling me how to think. Very immature, in retrospect. I did fall for Obama when voting for him (thought he’d bring real change…lol on me). So, yeah, I make errors. The key, I think, is admitting then fixing them.
WannaBeav makes the great point Trump is a symptom of a bigger problem. I totally agree, and I’ve heard a lot of people in finance who I respect echo that sentiment. The problem is people don’t understand finance. They only understand they are falling behind, the dream is more unattainable, and so they vote more and more extreme. Then they dig in harder when challenged. This is both sides. The problem starts and ends with the Federal Reserve, and it is about to get a whole lot worse. We can discuss that, if anyone needs elaboration. But since nobody knows it starts and ends with the FED, they blame the other side and dig in, and they vote for radical policies hoping the next radical policy is the one that helps them and fixes things. The FED is laughing because they have divisive citizens blaming and ranting at one another as they quietly lurk in the background plundering the Country.
The Left has a major problem with the Trans movement. These people are essentially Trump votes. But Democrats have to appeal to them and pretend to stand for their rights to capture the vote, but if they don’t nominate a candidate who is “radical”, they don’t vote, and essentially turn into Trump votes. Some even migrate to the “Alt-Right”, which is a dangerous movement in that it is (a) extreme and (b) divisive, (c) susceptible to propaganda more than other movements. Many of the PizzaGate, Pedo this/pedo that, Clintons kill people, dead people voting, etc all come from the Alt-Right. These people are prone to conspiracy. I was a ZeroHedge reader for almost a decade, so I watched it all firsthand. I get why it’s alluring. Firm proof always falls flat. Yet people believe it.
The right has a major problem in that they haven’t won a popular vote in some time and keep falling behind there. They are very “evil genius” in how they deal with this problem. Their policies are blatantly in place to protect the rich, but they have a huge army of radio/TV personalities who convince people they can be like the rich if they just work harder, and the real enemy is the poor who are stealing their paychecks via taxes. This message is extremely bizarre, but it’s somehow very powerful. The net result is people wind up voting against their best interest (i.e. by definition, the majority of them are not rich, and therefore not voting their interest) and for the interest of the rich. Another powerful message here is that the rich became rich because of their own awesomeness. Sometimes that is true, sometimes it isn’t (e.g. Buffet is a huge government teat sucker). Gerrymandering is their other tactic. All of it is evil genius. Anyway, the Right has a very powerful radio and TV army that is influential. People drive around all day and listen to that crap in their car, and it begins to seep in. We have Uber drivers who listen to Hannity, become influenced by that powerful message, and vote Trump, who couldn’t be further disconnected from their best interests.
IMO we need more people in the middle. People who see the Right for what it is, the Left for it’s problems, etc. Rational Party, is what I call it. Like Mike Riley sucked for reasons we all know, Gary Andersen seemed awesome but sucked for reasons we came to know. And now we have someone in the middle, in Smith, who is very good for reasons we all see.
You can blame parties all you want, but the Federal Reserve is the cause of your problems. It’s not trannies, it’s not gays, it’s not the rich, it’s not the poor, it’s not Social Security, it’s not greedy CEOs and Capitalism, and it’s not whatever other distraction they want to throw at you. The cause of everything you’re dealing with today is the FED. Once you understand this and know why, you don’t care about parties or the people involved (well, Rand Paul still is an entitled, socialized medicine using piece of shit ;) )…his dad was spot on, though: End the Fed. Ron nailed it and recognized the root cause.
First bitches!
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uo7HB-slsm4
OFF TOPIC-
No complaints here, but from the tail end of the last thread there is this:
Those who were pleased a month or so ago to learn that Mikayla Pivec was added to the list of
candidates for the Senior CLASS Award may be interested to learn that the results are in.
The award, which claims to recognize excellence in the areas of: Classroom, Community, Character, and Competition, is said to be determined equally by three constituencies; fans, coaches, and media.
Despite garnering over 60% of all fans votes, Mikayla did not win the award. Her degree in Biohealth Sciences (3.93 gpa) and progress toward a Masters in BioChemistry and BioPhysics weren’t enough to move her ahead of the winner. Neither was the fact that she co-started the Beavs CARE program, did an honors thesis on efficient ways of getting access to resources for the homeless and, among other things, contributed some 257 hours to community service through Athletic Department sponsored events.
Did she lose out to the senior from Belmont who, as a Registered Nurse, led the country in five statistical categories and garnered around 15% of the fans votes for the award? No.
The winner, a very very good player, received less than 5% of the fans votes. She graduated in General Social Sciences and is working on a “Master of Advertising and Brand Responsibility”. Her character and community service is highlighted by the fact that, “she takes time after games to sign autographs”. Seriously!
Oh, and the winner has the backing of Uncle Phil.
There was an article today in NYTM on how Sabrina Ionescue(sp?) goes to Matthew Knight Arena to work out, host shots, disappointed in the “unfinished business” that remains unfinished. It makes many references to her relationship with her “mentor” Kobe Bryant….
The contrast you provide between Pivec and Ionescu are significant and meaningful. Thank you.
And also the best player in the country. By a country mile. So you’re basically saying that Pivec deserved it because beaver fans voted over and over and over again but not on her merits? Your subjectivity doesn’t match your moniker
“Everything is decisive enough, …”
Betting you meant “divisive” enough? Might want to edit..or maybe not….I don’t know….
Thanks. Hey you finally registered and got an avatar. Nice.
That’s a beautiful beav!
Thanks, was hoping the orange eye would show up better…
Love the new logo, ObjCritic
Just to reiterate from past threads: if you register, you can upload an avatar, edit your posts, etc. IMO it’s much nicer when people have avatars instead of the Amish man.
ON TOPIC-
A thoughtful post, angry.
But I think you are being a little one sided in pointing out that the right has, “a huge army of radio/TV personalities” while ignoring the anti-right slant of the major networks and newspapers as evidenced by their constant “gotcha” questions (statements, really).
I view that as an act of desperation against a problem they weren’t ready for…they’re trying to poke holes to make Trumpers see the light. It backfires and Trumpers dig in harder because it looks petty and like the guy they picked is being attacked (nobody likes being attacked). Can you name an army of Left radio hosts like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Colter, etc?
Chomsky does a ton of work on this, and his conclusion is there is no such thing as “liberal media”…but anyway, since we all have a lot of time, these are very interesting lectures to delve into. Worth watching every minute of every one. Chomsky has a reputation as leaning left, but after reading a ton of his work I view him more as an anarchist/agnostic. He’s a bit manipulative at times in that he will draw a conclusion for you (I ignore him when he does that), but I can tell he’s seeking truth.
1. Noam Chomsky Propaganda And Control Of The Public Mind Full Lecture
2. Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media
3. Noam Chomsky – Free Market Fantasies: Capitalism in the Real World
I don’t want to post the links because they clog up the thread, but if you go on YouTube and search those terms you will find each one.
You’re so full of shit I can smell your breath here in Oregon.
That’s messed up. I floss twice per day.
Chomsky says you don’t make it to the New York Times unless they know you’re going to write what they want, so that’s another perspective. “Obedience selection” from youth. People who are independent are a “pain in the neck” who need to be cut off.
That is part of it, too. But I think the media is trying to make Trumpers see the light with the gotcha stuff. Else it’s just appealing to an echo chamber of people who don’t like Trump. So that doesn’t make sense.
A problem they weren’t ready for? Explain.
If you can’t handle losing an election and resort to they petty shit I’ve seen more than enough of the last 3-1/2 years, that’s a you problem. We’ve survived plenty of shitty presidents. We’ll survive another four if Trump gets re-elected.
*Disclaimer
I did not vote for Trump. I’ve said this many times in the past. Most of the never/anti Trumpers had their minds made up before he even won the Republican primary. Nothing he ever says or does will change their minds. And those are the ones that are digging for this “gotcha” bs. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Trump could save a box of kittens from a burning building and no one outside of Fox news would put it on the front page or let alone report it. The national news media is mostly made up of shitbags who are so brainwashed they could care less about reporting actual facts. I don’t care if it’s CNN, MSBC, Fox news, etc. Shit bags. All of them. They are only there for clicks and be the first to report the scoop. That’s all that matters to them. Facts be damned. We’ll make them up.
If you truly think that Trump is just out for the rich and just wants to fuck over the poor and middle class? I can’t help that. But it is also not correct. Yes, some of the shit he says is absolutely cringe worthy and makes some of us scratch our heads.
But I do have an honest question for you anti-Trumpers. What precious rights of yours have been taken away since he’s become president?
This meme is so accurate its scary.
https://imgflip.com/i/265dun
Interesting take that a person had to be personally affected to care about something. I’ll bite.
He’s blown up the deficient to a trillion a year feeding both my future prosperity and my childrens. That’s without the pandemic response. This gained me literally nothing, infrastructure got no investment, rich got richer and companies did record stick buybacks.
He has attacked healthcare through executive orders and internal policy that has made my insurance more expensive and care harder to get.
Hes terrible at diplomacy and has degraded the foriegn service. He’s made enemies of friends and friends of dictators. Our friends now include North Korea and Russia, wtf. This has made myself and Americans less safe and will continue to do so for years.
He makes bad trade decisions that have lost us control of the worlds trade. Now we are in stupid trade wars that increase the cost of daily goods and hurt our exporters.
He actively fights measures to mitigate climate change which will be pretty important to all of us if it isn’t already. He removed existing policies for regulation against the advice of people who r search it.
He packs the courts with unqualified ideologues which hurts due process for policy and civil justice.
He spends incredible amounts of OUR money on his personal businesses and fun. He has gone golfing 117+ times spending an estimated 113 million. He has government and millitary officials stay in his hotels funneling taxes straight to his family.
He attacks social programs like food stamps and meals on wheels. This is both cruel and stupid as it will lead to increase in crime and punishes the poor and unlucky.
He makes false promises and lies. Where’s the infrastructure plan? Why did funds for the wall come from the millitary and FEMA (Mexico?)? He has lied or misled purposefully 15,000 times.
He has increased the cost of national parks decreasing access and creating a psuedo class system for access. He has sold national monuments to corporate interests for resource extraction.
He does a lot of stuff that hurts people and lowers my own options. I can’t keep track of it all but there’s a decent list why I am anti trump.
Good list, but you forgot a few:
1. He makes the media the enemy, which is the #1 rule of authoritarians. Abuses journalists and removes credentials if he doesn’t like their questions. Overall attack on free press. Again, dictator tendency.
2. Nepotism — puts yes men like Kushner in positions they have no business being in. Drained the swamp of “no men” to fill it with “yes men”.
3. Promised to gut Medicare/SS calling it a “fun project for his second term.” People might think this is great because Rush or someone else told them to think that or they think they’ll get a few more pennies in their paycheck, but it means you/I will be paying for our parents’ healthcare in old age, which is very expensive and will bankrupt both them and us.
4. Bailed out literally EVERYTHING after calling Bernie a Socialist, and claiming America will never be Socialist.
5. Tariffs to protect his friends in specific industries (e.g. U.S. Steel. Even though all his buildings use Chinese steel in their construction because it is cheaper). Then lies and says U.S. Consumers don’t pay tariffs. Um.
6. Doesn’t read any briefings. Trusts his gut over the intelligence community, doctors, etc.
7. Said Covid would magically disappear after 15 cases. 200,000 cases later here we are and still growing, with all our elderly family at risk now. Leadership?
8. Called the Stock Market a giant FED-induced bubble in 2015 when he was criticizing Obama. Takes office and begs the FED to cut rates, do QE, and blow the bubble bigger. Then takes credit for the “greatest economy ever.” No, you just blew the biggest bubble ever. When the bubble found a pin and popped, he says nothing other than to deflect blame. Leadership? Now he is circumventing the FED via Mnuchin to use the Treasury as a slush fund.
9. Can’t speak without lying. Leadership?
10. Never released his tax returns.
There are more…having coffee now. I’ll think of them.
angry needs to move over so you can have a seat! Hope you have a 2-holer…
“What precious rights of yours have been taken away since he’s become president?”
…stability?
I’m grateful to be in a position to have the opportunity to comment; ppl genuinely in worse shape than I, can’t even address this rhetorical question.
I’m back in after self-quarantining myself from AB for a week. CJ: Trump is a liar, conman, cheat, and unable to take any responsibility for anything in his life.
It’s the CDC’s fault, it’s the impeachment, it’s “fill in the blank” after today’s propaganda briefing.
I’m baffled how anyone could think he’s an asset to this country.
Jesus Christ, YOU ALL FAIL.
I asked what precious rights of yours he’s taken away. AND ALL OF YOU failed to produce ONE THING that is protected in the bill of rights. I’ve heard so much shit in the last 3-1/2 years that is completely and utterly irrational. And not one thing posted above is protected.
Are you seriously making me defend this guy?
Wasn’t he making the point that both sides control messaging to influence everyone? I think this is kind of an example of what he was saying.
Characterizing them as “anti-left” or “anti-right” can be a problem in that it assigns motive instead of judging their work on its merits. Review these standards and see if you think they have merit; if not what should be taken out, what’s missing?
https://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
Apply them to ANY “journalist” or media. How does their argument hold up against these standards? One of the challenges we face is, there are so many pundits, and few if any are held to standards, but because they have longevity and celebrity, their treated as if the have credibility as “media/journalists.”
Its a worthwhile challenge to try and judge somebody’s argument without assigning motive to it (likely relates to one of the judgement/bias factors Angry has posted a few times). Does it hold up?
My view on journalists is they’re generally uneducated about the subjects they’re covering, for one, and many covering a topic like…say finance…have no business doing so. But at the same time many feel an obligation to get to the bottom of things (old school investigative journalism is alive in the “romantic” sense of a guy like Woodward figuring out a conspiracy; it’s rare but still out there), but that quickly gets squashed by their boss, who is a Billionaire and owns the paper and wants a slant in his interest. I don’t blame the journalist, therefore, but the owner. Rupert Murdock is one of the worst offenders, but they exist on both sides. I appreciate journalists. Without them we’d be much worse off. Hence why Trump doesn’t want them around unless they’re praising him. At the same time, I take everything in the media with a grain of salt. There was that old Reagan saying “Trust but verify”…now I think “distrust and try to verify” is more apropos. That’s not on journalists — many now are subconscious, conditioned shills who need jobs. It’s on the owners and interest groups. But we the people allow interest groups and single billionaires to own newspapers, so some of the blame is on us.
What really amazes me is that supposedly these are educated people, but they can’t spell or use grammar correctly…their instead of they’re, etc. Some of them are posting here too.
That’s what editors are for…people mess up. Editors look for errors.
I doubt people here have editors or re-read their comment before hitting submit.
I admit I will have endless typos and lack of grammar. Not only is it informal but I also have dyslexia, aphasia and difficulty with grammar rules in English. Not for lack of education or trying, just a deficeit.
“Something I noticed is that “Trumpers” tend to dig in and double down just like the Riley supporters. Same arguments. If you criticized Riley, they’d bring up the lack of better alternatives, he’s trying his best and that’s what matters, OSU can’t do any better because it’s OSU, any flaws he had were rationalized away. Same thing happens with Trump. If he lies it’s just who he is, he’s better than lying Killery, etc. A million excuses why we all just didn’t get it.”
I agree this is a similar pattern, and its almost comical if you juxtapose Riley and Trump: one won’t do a comb over and get painted orange, the other won’t ride a bike….but seriously….
The notion that they can only be compared to some immediately available alternative (Remember how we heard NO ONE could replace Riley or achieve what he did? Ummm, anyone hear of Dennis Erickson?) rather than a high performance standard is a major weakness of the argument.
There have been good presidents in our history who have led this country in difficult times. To suggest that Trump or Hillary Clinton or Biden is the best we can do is demonstrably absurd. There’s 300M+ Americans, we could do better if most Americans took their responsibility – not just their right – to vote, seriously. That could mean, at the least, investing time to understand issues, candidates (despite, or regardless of their campaign budgets), and be willing to listen and learn.
Here’s some easy reading on how/when Republicans and Democrats basically switched parties. It was during the Post Civil War Reconstruction era. There are entire books on this, but you can find them yourself. I just don’t think people realize that this happened…especially with StateU citing Mt. Rushmore having so many “Republicans” on it. (Lol?)
https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
I’ve always heard it called the sixth wave or Sixth Party System.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Party_System
I said it once and I’ll say it again, down with the Whigs!!!
I have always thought it was interesting how influential the federalist papers were but that party/group essentially got laughed out of power. Ofc we basically live in their wet dream so there is that.
You’re spot on. I’ve taught a couple of History classes recently (adult ed type) and the source material was clear on the positions of the parties in the 1800’s. And remember the “Dixiecrats” of the 50’s? They would all be Trumpian Republicans today.
Nice write up Angry. As obj mentioned the Riley/Trump metaphor is strangely accurate and wildly nuts at the same time!
Im obviously not middle man politically or ideologically and I think there are concerns that the feds are a few degrees from. I am doing much more research on central banking and the US Federal Reserve and I don’t really have much to say besides thanks for opening the window. All that said I try to be objective and considered in my opinions and some of you might find some of my research rules interesting.
1) Never let tv or radio be your main source of information. Both mediums are highly controlled.by special interests and it’s much easier to direct/hijack someone’s thinking with visuals and emotional tone.
2) Don’t single source your info. Angry hinted at it but there is a term called entrenchment in psychology that is brutally insidious. We are programmed to enjoy confirmation (we get hormonal feedback when we are confirmed that we are right) so we entrench in ideas and sources that confirm our feelings.
3) Try to look at source material. Most stories will cite or link a paper or another source. Skip their opinion and find the actual source. Consider it and form your own opinion before reading others opinions. Google scholar is a great way to look up research papers even if you only know the writer.
4) Do antithesis research. This is probably the hardest thing I do in research. If you find a story that you like but is slanted look for a story written by the opposite side and consider the points made. I rarely agree with antithesis opinions but it’s a good exercise for understanding that there are other ways to think and to avoid entrenchment. Example: Washington Post says blah blah so see what Fox says about blah blah.
If you apply there rules it can lead to a broader mindset. I promise the method won’t turn you into a liberal socialist like me!
Yep. I’ll read Keynes even though his economics are misguided. In music, you have to know when not to play (silence) in order to make what you do play sound good and have meaning. Else you’re a shredder, and nobody likes a shredder but other shredders. The funny thing about Keynes is that he said the government should payback debt during good times (didn’t we just have the “greatest economy ever” and take on the most debt ever??). Most associate him with huge deficits, etc. He’d be horrified by what we’re doing and how his name has been bastardized.
Did I really get a down vote for research methods to avoid being manipulated? Or is it cause I said liberal and socialist in the same sentence. I am baffled.
Sadly too many Americans simply won’t do this period. We usually don’t put in the time to form our own opinions about a certain topic/subject so we just copy what the major talking heads say on either side of the fence.
Its much “easier” that way.
I agree. I still throw it out there in hopes people will wake up and try someday. it does take work and energy though.
I think that the presidency has too many responsibilities. 15 executive departments as well as Commander in Chief seems too much for one person. It’s not an issue of too much power, but rather its too overwhelming for the person in power. Eisenhower and Nixon had a good arrangement where the former focused largely on foreign policy, and he let Nixon make domestic policy decisions. We haven’t seen that delegation in a while, and it may be beneficial to consider expanding the powers of the Vice Presidency (who is only the chair of the Senate).
Particularly so for presidents who are 70+ years and older. America needs sharp minds in the Oval.
It’s really up to the President to delegate this sort of thing to the VP. The problem is, in recent times, VP choices have largely become tools to offset whatever perceived weakness a presidential candidate has (e.g. Biden offset the fact that Obama was a black progressive, Pence offset how detached from the Evangelical right Trump is). Maybe GWB and Cheney are an example, as Cheney’s fingerprints were all over GWB’s foreign policy.
This is why (wise) Presidents typically surround themselves with… policy experts. And is given daily briefings.
Lol!
Weird post, Angry, but I like it.
If Trump wins we’re going to have Fascism and zero safety nets.
Right. Because there’s nothing fascist about Antifa or shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, etc.
Sorry, but this is an extremely long jump to irrational.
There’s plenty of fascist traits/behaviors on both sides. And they’re both 100% wrong.
There’s three sides to every story. Problem is most people think their side is right. The truth lies somewhere in between.
There’s more than enough checks and balances in place. I really hope your post was sarcasm.
Not shit posting actually curious. What checks and balances are in place that can prevent someone from staying in office or declaring themselves a dictator for life? Who enforces them?
22nd amendment
Us Marshals. Supreme court. 22nd amendment.
Who orders the US marshals to remove a president and gives them authority to do so. I’m struggling to find it. Is it an order from the supreme court? Congress? Cabinet?
Us Marshals are the only authority that can arrest a president if needed. The order would be given by the supreme court or the senate.
This is the same line of thinking that was talked about during the run up to 2016. That if trump won Obama would declare marshal law until law suits were completed in the supreme court which could take years. Its absolute nonsense. Even suggesting something like this puts one in the flat earthers column of lunatics. We might as well say trump is a lizard person from outer space that’s just as believable.
Is it? Senate had a trial without really having a trial. I guess the supreme court might do its job if it came down to it? Im glad you are confident though.
How would he go about starting a coup like this? He would have to have the full cooperation of the military at minimum. Who’s going to arrest those who would oppose him? No one, that’s who. But I see your point in being fearful of something like this happening.
And Now you know why we have a second amendment.
There is a bunch of very very long lectures and articles on how a dictator comes to power but this is a decent simplified list.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/naturally-selected/201702/7-steps-becoming-dictator
Citing antifa isn’t a valid example of their being “fascist traits or behaviors” on both sides. What has antifa done that merits an equivalent comparison to right-leaning/paramilitary orgs?
That seems to be just as an extremely long jump, if not more, to the irrational.
It is. It’s a cheap ploy in arguement to point at something and say it’s worse instead of actually defend your viewpoint. I know it’s a cheap easy ploy cause it’s what politicians do and they lack the depth so go for lazy.
Edit: WSN not calling you cheap or easy. Just intended to talk about the tactic specifically not what you said.
If you don’t understand, hes meaning extremism on both sides. And please show me were the far right have attacked non-combatants, physically attacked journalists, destroyed property, and tried to silence free speech. Because I’ll show you 100s of examples from the last 3 years from antifa.
Someone gets it
Struggling to follow this one. Are we arguing that far right or far left is better or they are all just unproductive, vilolent and sometimes criminal dipshits? I am in the second camp.
Not shocking since you (among several others) fail to understand basic concepts. And the Constitution.
Try educating me then. Your vast comprehension of the basic may help my own.
BlackBandits:
I understand the intent is to show extremism exists on both sides, for the purpose of equivocating that neither camp is better than the other, or that we shouldn’t assess the actions of one as being more harmful than the other.
What I question is the picking of antifa (or rather, their tactics which ppl rightly can object over & discuss), bc as far as I am aware, antifa is not a transnational set of orgs targeted explicitly by federal law enforcement?
They’ve been targeted nationally bc internationally & in US, what they’ve done is orders of magnitude more serious.
Antifa has been around a -bit- longer than three years. :)
I’m aware of the issues you mention; bears mentioning the courts have done quite well in handing down penalties (in terms of defendants’ time, their fees, charges against & convictions obtained) to them.
Not really my topic here. But the issues on campus are the regressive left, whom I do consider Fascists.
Denis Leary for president!!!
Youtube: locked and loaded
Angry, you can’t talk about the Fed without also talking about the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act (which both political parties were responsible for).
The GSA was bi-partisan legislation passed in 1933 to separate commercial and investment banks. Basically, this was the culmination of lessons learned from the market crash that precipitated the Great Depression, and it prevented “Too Big to Fail.” A generation later, once the GD started to become a distant memory, banking regulators slowly started chipping away at the provisions of GSA. Finally, in 1999, probably to keep the roaring .com bubble going, GSA was repealed by Congress (the bill was introduced by Republicans, but ratified by both parties, with some Democrats dissenting and predicting bailouts would be necessary in the future. Of course, (D) president Clinton signed the bill).
Dodd-Frank was our generation’s equivalent of GSA, but it was too weak and here we are, 12 years later, with similar problems.
The Fed-enabled bailouts wouldn’t be necessary if we had preserved the sensible regulations that were in place from previous generations. I think this is in line with the Fourth Turning theories, as present generations ignore the hard-won wisdom of previous generations and make the same mistakes that were made in the past.
I agree with most of that other than you can talk about the FED without GS or DF. FED was 1913 and a problem that those acts tried to quell. Greenspan was a disaster with this ’87 “put”. That did more to cause ’99, 08, and now ’20 than GSA…as you said, which was likely reformed to keep the party going.
There are different eras of the FED and all require an entire discussion on their own, honestly.
The Fed-enabled bailouts wouldn’t be necessary if we had preserved the sensible regulations
Or we just let them fail, like in Capitalism. Lehman’s assets were bought up by stronger companies (JPM, I think)…this is how it works. You don’t even need regulation if you allow that process. But of course we have privatized gains and socialized loses thanks to the FED.
Anybody seen 1917?
Recommend? Or no?
Wasnt meant as a reply, haha
I saw it. Great movie. Shot in two takes, I think. I definitely recommend it. I hope you get to see it in a theater someday.
Agree, it’s definitely worth watching on a big screen. We watched on 82” screen with 7.2 surround and it was quite good.
Just watched it last night. I really liked it. The cinematography was outstanding as was the acting. My wife didn’t care for it much, a bit too gory for her, but it’s a war movie and there are dead soldiers, so yeah.
great movie. should have won the Oscar. In the same class as Saving Private Ryan and All Quiet on the Western Front, Breaker Morant.
Fractional reserve banking sort of butts up against the limits of “just let them fail.” When virtually every bank is leveraged by several multiples, there’s virtually no one left to lend when they all fail. On a macro level, if debt surpasses cash savings by a certain magnitude, you can’t possibly recover, because there’s no one to buy what’s being sold/service the debt, and the assets all become worthless. As an example, let’s say the cruise ship industry goes broke. Now there are all sorts of cruise ship assets that can be had for pennies on the dollar, but you have to have working capital to operate them and you have to have potential demand in place to generate cash flow to keep them in operation. Who’s going to go on a cruise when only 1% of the country has any disposable income left? Maybe you operate one ship, but that’s a 99% reduction in the industry.
Expand this throughout the economy and it dramatically slows down any recovery. It’s one of the reasons why governments in previous centuries fought wars. If you could kill someone else to get their hard assets/tax base, it gave you more to distribute throughout society.
It’s also one of the reasons why it’s important for countries to have a good import/export balance. It makes you less vulnerable to internal/external demand shocks.
“Let them fail” is the proper, capitalist approach, but when growth has been extended via non-capitalist market distortion, you’ve multiplied the pain from the crash by an extreme magnitude.
It would be interesting to try to simulate the impact on the economy of all zombie companies failing at the same time.
Banks literally fail every year, and they lend fractionally. Look up bank failures. It’s 10 to 100 in any given year, globally.
Big banks have failed, too. Salomon, Lehman, Merrill, etc. Life went on. JPM and others bought a lot of the assets for pennies on the dollar, like you said. So I just don’t believe that argument. It’s more the FED and governments didn’t like that pain, so they’re preventing the failure of more. But they can easily fail and life would go on.
assets all become worthless.
A true asset is never worthless. “Mark to Market” or “Price Discovery” is what you’re getting at. Yes, the prices would drop to market price — the price where someone who has savings/Capital can buy the asset and run the business. If that can’t be done, it was never a viable business model to begin with, and the money should be used elsewhere. You don’t keep cruise ships around just because. You keep them around because they’re a good business model. If the market wipes them out, they weren’t a good model to begin with, and that capital can be used somewhere else to better use.
I’m not talking about individual banks failing. Without bailouts, just about every bank with any meaningful cash reserves would fail during a financial crisis.
Re: cruise ships: something can be a good business model in one environment, but not in another. Market environments naturally change. Luxury goods have viable business models because people have disposable income. They’re predicated on the assumption of a certain societal standard of living. When that standard of living changes, it’s possible the companies will go bankrupt. It doesn’t mean their business model was bad, it just means they got left behind by a changing market.
I’m not talking about individual banks failing. Without bailouts, just about every bank with any meaningful cash reserves would fail during a financial crisis.
For some reason you’re not understanding moral hazard. Without bailouts, banks would keep reserves so as not to fail. Ones that didn’t do this would fail; other banks that were responsible would take their assets for cheap (mark to market). This IS Capitalism and how it works. You can’t base a viable banking system around bailouts.
Re: cruise ships: something can be a good business model in one environment, but not in another.
Then it fails. The capital goes into something more productive. If it’s ever a good model again, the capital will flow back to it.
When that standard of living changes, it’s possible the companies will go bankrupt. It doesn’t mean their business model was bad, it just means they got left behind by a changing market.
Same as above, really. Great business models are recession proof. So-so models have boom and bust cycles — it is part of most business. It’s why the owners should save, keep reasonable debt, etc. Many would do this if they knew the “fed put” wasn’t in play. The situation with small businesses right now is a bit different. They are more deserving of a bailout than large corporations for obvious reasons…they can keep savings, reasonable debt, etc and just due to their small size be vulnerable to a shock like corona even if they were responsible. Though a better solution could be to change the business model — many in my city are doing this and getting by via switching to delivery, gift cards, etc. There are ways around a bailout, but if people want to argue for a Small Biz bailout I get it, and it’s not as bad as what’s happening.
The point of Capitalism is to pool large sums of money into projects that benefits society, that we couldn’t otherwise do with our own small sums of money. This is why a stock market, in theory, is a great thing. The problem is not letting those bad ideas go bust so the capital can flow where it should.
You don’t have to explain capitalism to me, but we’re not starting from a blank slate (or from a capitalist slate). We’re talking about what an ideal crash landing looks like, not how you theoretically land the plane in perfect conditions. The reality is that, today, our banks are heavily levered (look at JP Morgan Chase’s balance sheet, for example, and tell me they’d be okay during a massive financial crisis). If you don’t want the economy to fall into the abyss, bailouts are necessary to an extent, but they should be scaled appropriately to somehow incentivize more conservative planning in the future. Maybe the “bailout” means injecting more cash into the system through the most conservative banks and letting the others fail.
No bailout of a large bank is justified. You take the hard landing and move on. Mark the assets to market, let the healthiest banks or even individuals buy them. You can continue this bailout route, but it’s not going to be a soft landing. If I use credit card A to pay off credit card B, I haven’t solved any problem. I just made the day of reckoning for credit card B that much worse.
In the meantime, the FED is destroying the purchasing power of the dollar as they do this, too. So it’s creating instability on that front. No bailouts, except maybe lines of credit/zero interest loans for small businesses. Banks. No.
I think you’re assuming a much rosier worst case scenario than I am.
Hopefully hoarding is slow down …https://www.marketwatch.com/story/traffic-at-walmart-costco-and-target-falls-for-the-first-time-in-weeks-as-coronavirus-stockpiling-behavior-shifts-2020-03-31
It would be nice to find TP again,
Winco has had TP everytime my wife has gone in shopping since the start of this.
You don’t live in Corvallis then
We shop the albany store.
To get a little more ontopic with sports and ideas from this thread, I am really sick of males/trannies playing female sports, injuring the women because well…they’re 10x stronger and MEN, and then saying they have a right to play these female sports because that’s how they identify and they had a sex change. I mean, is it going to take one of them killing a female athlete on the field before the regressive left accepts these people do not belong on the field with women? Come on!
I like this story. Girl beat “trans girl” while suing him/her to prevent them from competing.
https://www.espn.com/high-school/story/_/id/28710289/female-student-trans-lawsuit-beats-trans-athlete-high-school-race
That is a fantastic double entendre.
A buddy of mine is a hs wrestling coach. Says girls wrestling is the fastest growing sport among that age group. They do receive a good number of trans athletes who compete as female. I guess there are pretty specific rules about how long they have been transitioned and have been receiving hormone therapy before they’re allowed to compete, but also you can easily tell when a female wrestler used to identify as male because their muscle base is already there, and their neck/shoulders are just developed on a different level. Says despite the hormone therapy, it’s just not fair competition, but it’s the system they’re forced to work with.
I’ve been curious if the number of young transgendered people is higher now than it was 30 years ago because it’s just more accepted, or if it’s some environmental influence.
Did we always have a similar segment of the population who didn’t identify as their birth gender, but it just remained more hidden?
I wonder how much hormone therapy drugs are playing into it. For instance Finasteride, a drug used to make Propecia hair loss drug. It became popular about 20 or so years ago and has been used by quite a few men since. It’s also used to help male trans patients transition to female. Part of me wonders if men taking this drug when they get their partner pregnant are passing on hormonally altered sperm cells to their partner which then conceive hormonally altered children? The drug even specifically states that it must not come into contact with pregnant women, right on the bottle. They shouldn’t even handle the stuff. But what’s the difference if their husband gives them load after load of it?
Just a thought of mine, with absolutely no scientific data to support it. If there ever is a link discovered, better sell that Merck stock fast.
“But what’s the difference if their husband gives them load after load of it?”
Glad I wasn’t drinking my coffee when I read that!
Probably plenty of papers on those topics. Historically the rate of LGBQT has not changed much but it’s hard to say as laws and norms have repressed it in various cultures. You can probably spend acouple years on Google scholar researching it.
I take a slightly more nuanced stance. If they have full hormome therapy prior to puberty there really isn’t much advantage. Otherwise yes it becomes obviously unfair and dangerous.
A bit of a swing but we have the technology and enough genes identified now to make designer babies. How long before sports become pointless because people with resources modify their kids? It could have already happened. Gattica!!
“Fears are growing that the global downturn could be far more punishing and long lasting than initially feared — potentially enduring into next year, and even beyond — as governments intensify restrictions on business to halt the spread of the pandemic, and fear of the virus impedes consumer-led economic growth.
“This is already shaping up as the deepest dive on record for the global economy for over 100 years,” said Kenneth S. Rogoff, a Harvard economist and co-author of “This Time Is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly,” a history of financial crises. “Everything depends on how long it lasts, but if this goes on for a long time, it’s certainly going to be the mother of all financial crises.”
Stocks on Wall Street fell sharply on Wednesday, with the S&P 500 down nearly 4 percent in early trading, extending its losses from March, the worst month for stocks since 2008. And surveys of manufacturing and factory activity in the United States, Europe and Japan showed activity slowing to levels not seen in a decade or more.
In Washington, there was growing concern that the $2 trillion stimulus package enacted last week could be insufficient to bolster the economy as the crisis mushrooms. Democrats and Republicans in Congress, as well as President Trump, are increasingly looking toward enacting a huge new infrastructure plan that could create thousands of jobs. ”
More here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Trump went from no Socialism in America ever to becoming FDR overnight.
Kinda, he’s been a big fan of corporate socialism the whole time.
every president is
Next step: Trump’s WPA will be government-paid restaurant and hotel employees.
In all seriousness, if we’re going into the MMT abyss, we might as well start spending on infrastructure, so we don’t all die from bridges collapsing or toxic water supply.
Agree if you are going to create money use it for something productive. Not banks or CEO pay. It’s even worse now with Trump circumventing the FED to essentially have a slush fund at the Treasury. Have you read all those new acronym programs? That’s the bottom line.
If Trump enacts the green new deal I’m going to shit my pants. It’s possible at this point given he’s now FDR.
Only in your pipe dreams, angry.
It does worry me that a shitload of non-socialists are enacting socialist policies off the hip. Maybe have Bernie and Warren write up some research backed policy that actually makes some sense or something. Just throwing money around hoping it fixes problems doesn’t give me much confidence.
Sanders would make things targeted so as to maximize the amount that can be stolen by family and cronies.
Care to explain? I must be. Be missing something pretty large about Bernie.
Maybe he’s being sarcastic since that is what Trump’s doing?
Thought passed my mind. Hard read that beavergopher.
Infrastructure is my favorite public investment and it’s not close. It provides jobs, real benefits to public health/safety and real benefits to economic prosperity (better transportation, less wasted time blah blah)
What better time to improve roads and bridges than when people are supposed to be staying home as much as possible.
I think the assumption would be that the infrastructure projects would be part of economic recovery not direct employment during covid outbreak.
OldBeav, you bought CAT on the dip, didn’t you?!
@Nuke: Understood, I also realize it takes time to engineer projects.
@angry: heh, heh, no CAT yet……..thinking they’ll go lower, but dollar cost avg for sure when convinced it is time.
How about Sabrina winning the CLASS award with about 5% of the fan vote? Sadly, Pivec only got 60%.
IMHO there is something smelly here…like maybe Nike bias.
Agree, as mentioned at the beginning of this thread.
Saw one comment that rang true: “Anyone who is surprised at the outcome must have thought this was a legitimate competition actually based on the stated criteria of the organization.”
Forgot to mention Sabrina’s public service — signing autographs and conversing with fans. What a joke!
But people as actually got to talk to a real life princess! How wonderful for them.
So jealous
CJ- What Sabrina has done for women’s basketball alone is more than you’ve done in your lifetime. Not bad for a 21 year old. I don’t hear anyone walking around talking about Pivec outside of Corvallis let alone the nation. Try again DA
OSU twitter running highlights of CWS wins, some enjoyable plays there worth checking out.
Good news for a change.
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/04/oldest-coronavirus-survivor-oregon-veteran-lives-to-celebrate-104th-birthday.html
Costco was an interesting experience. First time since Feb 29th visiting there. A lot more people wearing masks. Really glum vibe in there. Kinda sucked ass, and there was no TP.
Went for groceries a few days ago myself, lots of masks. No eggs. Sign said limit 2 dozen per customer because of national shortage.
Fuckin Easter Bunny
Looks like my prediction of 1 million by 4/3 is ahead of schedule. 928k right now. Might hit it tomorrow. Still, pretty close on the math given I made that call almost 2 weeks ago.
Yup, we will have 1 million and 50000 dead by Friday.
Was this meant for next Friday, 4/10?
By the way, in the prior thread I think there was discussion about the Amazon employee strike, and doctors who were being threatened because they spoke against the company (merely saying they lacked supplies). People were siding with management, to some degree. Reminded me of the MVF. You can read about it if interested. Might make the manipulation more obvious in the future. They’ve actually applied elements of this tactic to legislature (e.g. overturning medical malpractice, etc) to get people to vote against their own interests.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohawk_Valley_formula
More good news.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wwmt.com/amp/news/local/michigan-doctors-see-success-in-covid-19-treatment-but-say-more-clinical-trials-are-needed
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.amp.html
Awesome.
“Marcus Zervos, infectious disease doctor for Henry Ford Health System, said they had seen success with hydroxychloroquine therapy in a number of COVID-19 patients. He said those given the drug were able to get off a ventilator and out of the hospital faster.”
That alone will save lives.
Absolutely. One of the worst things about this is how long people are in ICU beds and on ventilators. It can take 2-6 weeks to recover out of the ICU. If they can cut that down capacity goes up big time. Thanks for the news BB
A lot of reports surfacing of a huge outbreak in China and/or coverup in China. Zerohedge is sourcing them, so who knows…might be false. Zerohedge vs China is tough in terms of who lies more.
China still saying 82k cases…lol.
US Intel said today that they are lieing and noted the abundance of urns outside homes.
US intel also surfacing former conspiracy theory that it’s totally possible the virus came from the lab in Wuhan. Of course, the government has some vested interest in blaming China, but depending on who you believe, more credible sources are now pushing the narrative. The MSM is starting to jump on it now, too.
If that is the case the Chinese are cold fuckers. If they developed it releasing the methods and data could save thousands of lives speeding up vaccines.
Wouldn’t that be something?
Bold political move that could pay off big time, if it were true and things continue to spiral. This virus will kill hundreds of thousands of people, yes, but the real damage is that it instills fear into the people and the American government, potentially crippling the economy by reducing consumer spending significantly (and taxes). The US will be forced to evacuate Iraq and Afghanistan quickly to balance the budget and China no longer has the Americans breathing down their necks geographically. That’s not completely infeasible.
Certainly, Nuke, you know all about this with the public’s fear of something that they can’t see (radiation).
I would hate to be a virologist right now. On the bright side there’s not many good reason to argue for a virus while radiation has pretty much enabled human development since the late 1800s.
it’s not a conspiracy theory. The intel community back-grounded high level policy folks in late January about the origin of this. I got wind of it. It’s back in discussion now because the CCP is starting to win the propaganda battle about how effective they were in fighting the battle and incompetent Trump is. If you want to see alarm, watch Canadian News. I bet BeeG gets the CBC.
Are we talking about this?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHC014-CoV
Are you saying it’s about the propaganda battle or more about the apocryphal reports of a bioweapon? At this point, it’s at least as likely to have popped out of a natural reservoir (as has been cautioned for years by DHS) than to have been released, accidentally, intentionally or via sabotage from the bcl4.
Data from China just shouldn’t be factored anymore.
There’s a large enough sample size worldwide that more reliable modeling can be done excluding Chinese data.
Or Germany…
We might be the most reliable, though we have a huge lag. Italy seems somewhat honest.
Spain and Italy both look like they are reporting decently. France probably too. I’m taking the stance that I’d numbers look way too good to be true without extreme measures then they probably are. All three of those countries have awful numbers.
Yeah. I trust the Countries with awful numbers, then 10x those numbers due to lag and other factors. It works pretty well for the math.
Throwback to convo on per capita yesterday. If curves hold threw theweekend we will have equal or greater per capita infection rates than Iran, France, Germany. If we go out 7 days we will have the highest in the world for any country over 30k cases right now. Our death rate is probably still much lower than peak death rate without new interventions like additional ventilators or effective medicines.
China was not counted in my quick number crunching.
I am not convinced Germany is lying. They probably are (they are a government) but Germany almost seems to be following the trajectory of H1N1 in the US in 2009 which I still believe could have been done here with competent leadership.
China is bullshit though.
Well Germany has admitted any corona death where the person had an underlying gets the underlying as the cause of death.
More like looking at the data in the best light than lieing.
Fair.
Not defending any stats, everyone is likely lying.
Still think the US would be better with literally any other human (and probably 99% of dolphins in the White House)
In terms of listing a preventable morbidity factor as a cause/co-cause of death, such as heart disease (12x), diabetes (8x) or high blood pressure (7x), one could argue that the German government is holding itself and/or its subjects accountable for preventable illness.
The WHO, err CHO, lulled the CDC to sleep. Not only on human to human transmission but the large volume of asymptomatics and the concentration in old people. All lies.
My brother lives in Portland…he told me they shut down the rest of the school year through June 20th. Online courses the rest of the year. At least for his kids. Anyone else dealing with that? Looks like this is going to last longer than people expect.
I just got a notice that track season is fully canceled. No coaching this year.
I am a teacher in Oregon.
This is not official but yeah, unofficially this is the plan.
Oregon has responded pretty well (especially considering it is sandwiched between WA and CA)
How are the online services working out? Other teachers in other states have told me the most effective service they have found is streaming halflife alyx on twitch.
Bend is just rolling stuff out. Right now, it is just lessons/e-mail, plan to go live with Webex Friday (again, that is what Bend is supporting).
Kids (even the one’s that claim to “hate” school) are reaching out in numbers I never expected though.
I miss my classroom and online school can never replace the lessons kids learn at school but I am working my ass off too give them the best education possible.
Ah yeah I’m a track coach at Summit, haven’t been able to do much productive coaching thats for sure. How did you score a teaching job in Bend? Tough market!
Been in Bend since 2008, luck I guess?
I’m from Redmond so being a ‘local’ might have helped.
I coach track at Sky View
Nuc- Summit has a great track program with the girls being pretty much a dynasty. Must be enjoyable coaching so many dedicated kids.
Yup I went there and when I moved back to Bend 3 years ago I got to get back in it. Girls team has been beastly for about 15 years now. There was many cheers when we moved from 5A to 6A haha
if you follow the health metric site at UW you’ll see that Oregon’s peak will lag behind WA and CA.
My kiddo is a senior, hooray for f’d up senior year, and corvallis is supposed to be doing online classes. They’re distributing chromebooks right now to families without regular access to computer at home.
the curve is bending enough in Washington that Inslee hasn’t ruled out starting school back up in May.
I think that’s statewide, rather than just Portland.
Alice Cooper needs to rewrite his lyrics.
School’s….out for….the foreseeable future
BC QB Brown apparently transferring to UO fir senior season, 4,738 Yds, 40 TDs, 20 INTs in 28 games w/BC.
That’s a pretty bad TD to INT ratio. Can he run?
I’m not sure we’re going to see football. When we finally have an intriguing team. Luck o’ da………..
I like his TD:int ratio too… don’t know if he can run. No rushing yds/TDs provided so I suspect it’s not a big part of his game(?).
I think it would be interesting if for a shortened season they had to scrap pre-season & non-con games and just play league games…
Models and projections say we should be through the curves and have some immunity up. Hard to say though.
In case you need a laugh. A quarantine April Fool’s prank gone wrong.
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1245106348808904704?s=19
10/10
Some more comedy for your Wednesday.
https://youtu.be/Joed0P3hhbc
Save Joe Buck, bribg back sports! https://www.newsweek.com/joe-buck-commentate-tapes-coronavirus-lockdown-1495483
Here’s some good ones if you like sports commentary.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-tv-star-andrew-cotter-21772289.amp
And for those who have twitter check out nick heaths #LifeCommentary. Awesome stuff.
New baseball commit today. Chase Watkins, 2018 LHP out of Cal Poly HS in CA who spent some time playing Juco ball in Florida. At least that’s what all I’ve seen about him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/watkinschase22/status/1245492779704356865
https://www.perfectgame.org/Players/Playerprofile.aspx?ID=513294
Does anybody have a WSJ subscription here? If so could you check out this opinion piece and give some highlights, I’d greatly appreciate it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/an-update-on-the-coronavirus-treatment-11585509827
I don’t but I’ll ask some of my friends if they can summarize.
Thank you
BB havn’t had anyone bite yet but it is $1 for 2 months right now.
It’s a great paper and all, and $1 for 2 months is a damn bargain…but…when it comes off of promo pricing that sub is sky freaking high. I di it once and six months later I was like whoa! As good as it is, it’s way too steep for me.
Regarding the FED, read The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin. Probably got it off of someone on this site a few years back….
That would be me.
The lecture is on YouTube, too, and worth watching about ten minutes in onward.
Jack called me a Bircher after that.
Doesn’t seem likely Fox News will be asking Dr. Desai to come back for a follow up interview.
I’m imagining the program director yelling in her ear piece…”shut him down! No more questions. Commercial break! Commercial break!”
https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1245534266437652482?s=19
That was the funniest shit I have seen in acouple days. 1 minute interview lolol
Funny not funny.
What he said not funny. How fast fox shut him down not funny. The ridiculousness, hilarious
Her expression and silence were funny. Come on.
Lol
Roseburg is just now rolling it out too. Had to go buy the kid a Chromebook… I hadn’t heard about it lasting till June. Damn my kids gonna drive her grandmother ( my daycare provider) crazy by then
You should invent the Carrotbook.
It is not officially lasting until June yet.
Just kind of the unofficial belief of most of us.
There have been some indications in the other direction. We were asked to report if we or anyone in our home is at risk for example which makes me think re-opening schools is at least still on the table.
Kids in Bend are lucky, we have 1 to 1 iPads so every student at least has that. And Bendbroadband is offering free internet to those in need too.
Community has come together around here.
Our wireless providers are offering help on internet access too. I didn’t “have” to buy my girl a Chromebook but I had the means & 1200 other families in my community dont. I didn’t want to be the reason a less well off family didn’t get to borrow one from the school district. Also I got home from work yesterday and my kid was doing the optional supplemental assignments without be asked to do them. That made it worth the money. After my discussion with her school (they are calling every parent) I was led to believe that it’s definitely going to be till the end of the school year. Their feeling was this is alot to do for only using it for 3 weeks…
Angry, I’ve noticed a change in your tone in the last year or two in here, maybe a reflection of your development you referenced.
You didn’t touch on it much, but fear that whites have about losing what they have is a big draw for republicans. This manifests in racism, bigotry, and xenophobia, which Trump was able to harness and use to his advantage. Fear driven messages about what threatens their way of life has been central to the Republican platform for years.
What kind of change in tone?
(responding to angry)
Change in tone. Hmm. Kind of hard to describe. Maybe a long while back you were more abrupt with people who viewed things differently. You seem a little more allowing of differences in views, while at the same time, able to maintain your own and express it while allowing space for others. Does that make sense? Maybe less black and white? You’re more chill.
Ah, gotcha. Yeah. I constantly gather info and change.
Tip of the hat to you. We all need to do that.
You don’t think the Democrats have a fear based platform?
No, Democrats do not have a fear based platform.
I think both parties use fear as a lever for sure. Idk why we have to keep framing this as good vs evil and digging in. Both parties do shitty stuff and anyone can not like that but still support the party.
What is the “fear” Democrats are selling?
Beyond that Trump is a lying criminal who is enriching himself at taxpayers expense? All of which is supported by evidence.
How is wanting better access to health care selling fear?
How is wanting college to be affordable selling fear?
How is supporting an immigration system that embraces the America of the statue of liberty selling fear?
Meanwhile Republicans
Universal health care will kill you
College is nothing but left wing brainwashing
Immigrants are dangerous
That is selling fear.
And that is without even mention the Q anon crap the right wing is selling.
Nothing on the left even compares to that fear based bullshit.
The false equivalence many try to force is not helping.
The alt-left (ie Bernie Bro’s) often try to sell similar fear but is nowhere near as mainstream as the alt-right (which now controls the Republican party platform)
They use fear of what the republicans will do as you mentioned. They do the same thing in the primaries with electibility (vote Biden or Trump will win!) despite Sanders platform being extremely popular in the party. Its just a reality that fear is a lever that special interests use. Just because a fear is founded and backed up doesn’t mean its not selling fear to get a response. They can cover issues many ways.
For Example: “Trump rolls back emissions standards”…”Trump shreds emissions standards in a blow to the climate”. It says the same thing but one is obviously emotionally charged and using fear/dread to attempt to get a response.
At some time in your life, someone has really fucked you up!
https://images.app.goo.gl/Zge6KcBitvqXR1Jg7
Just curious if you have had the pleasure of putting any kids through school yet and I mean at a 4-year college? I just put 2 through; one at U of W and the other at WSU. I can tell you that the ‘left wing brainwashing’ at institutions of higher learning is very real. Both boys had professors throughout the 4 years they were at each institution who would continually interject their liberal bias; and they had to sit there and take it even though they knew it was a crock of ***, lest they said anything to affect their grade. What kind of a system have we created where a kid has to fear speaking up in class and questioning a professor? What happened to the friendly exchange of ideas? I’m glad I’m done and don’t have to deal with it. I never recall this being an issue at OSU when I was there.
One of my favorite movies is Dr. Zhivago, but I never thought we would have to live it here in this country. Uprisings always seem to begin with the inteligensia in the university’s and it looks like we are headed in that direction here.
Nope my kids are 4,2 and 0. It’s no secret that educated people and academics tend to be more liberal. Plenty of stats to back that up.
I disagree with bringing politics into education. They should be teaching people how to think and come to conclusions when presented with factual information. Educators that tell you what to think are charlatans.
Olybeav, what you’re describing is professors that don’t have skills in how to facilitate discussion and debate in a classroom setting. It’s not brainwashing.
Speaking Riley. Got this from my brother with a nice pic of MR.
https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/huskers/nebraska-has-spent-more-money-firing-coaches-than-any-other-school-in-the-past-15/article_a88dec9d-d2bf-5a87-8fc9-12f0960c7b89.html
Riley, with a true-to-form 19-19 record had the shortest HC stint at Nebraska since 1956…and “Nebraska paid Riley a lump sum of $6.2 million.” when fired. Maybe simple Jack ain’t so simple after all.
$326k per win, a tidy sum
Riley was always about the money just hid it under the nice guy image.
Angry you mentioned above the propaganda of the Clinton’s killing people and I was wondering if you have ever seen the list of people who are connected to them that have turned up dead? I’m not saying they had people killed or killed themselves, but the list of murders and suicides is nuts.
I’ve seen it, and it’s weird.
I think they’re pieces of shit, for the record, but I’m not going to spend energy on a guy who hasn’t been president in 20 years. I didn’t vote Hillary partially because she’s a piece of shit, so I got a shot to vote on her and did, but that’s where it ends for me. At this point it’s up to the fiery gates of hell to prosecute them. You can argue I obsessed over Riley, but I’d argue I haven’t thought about him since he left (despite this thread lol). Point being if they were in power I’d get the anger and obsession.
Hillary is so sketchy and hatable I almost voted Trump despite being happy with her policy platform and not liking Trump’s at all. The Clinton’s are terrible people.
Yeah they are awful, and I get hating them, but not the energy the alt right spends on it, nor do I get how it relates to trump. For one, he is a huge piece of shit, too. Second, trump beat her and they’re not in power. It would be like me raging daily about Woodrow Wilson or Nixon…two fuckers who put us down this monetary path. I mean maybe if it comes up but…lol
Alt righters wake up ready for their dose of killary news.
Trump used to be friends with the Clinton’s and ran in the same social circles… They are frombthe same swamp.
Yeah that too weren’t the clintons at his wedding? Lol
Something else I don’t understand is why you accuse Biden of being a pedo. I saw that movie going around. For one, you can barely tell if it’s Biden. Two, I don’t see how that’s proof of anything…some people are touchy. And the big one: Trump said he’d fuck his own daughter. I mean, how is that cool and overlooked? Oh it’s just Trump being Trump. Then there are creepy photos of her on his lap. There is way more evidence, including the horses’ mouth, yet you ignore that and pick on Biden because of some weird, Russian movie/meme? Hell they might both be pedos, but I don’t see how the evidence is being judged fairly. It seems the Alt-Right is way more prone to clinging to memes, Russian propaganda, and general suggestions (pizzaGate, that Kurt Cobain predicted Trump meme they fell for, etc)…the Left doesn’t fall for all that as easily. Right way more prone to conspiracy. I’d like to understand why if anyone has psychology papers, etc. I think some of it is the Right Wing radio media drumming it into their head’s all day.
Not a pedo charge, but a former congressional staffer came out several weeks ago and said Biden assaulted her years ago. As much as that guy touches people, it’s hard to imagine he hasn’t crossed the line at some point.
But Luke is innocent. Right!
I have read a bunch of papers in that area. Not necessarily alt right specific but why some personalities are more prone to conspiracy. I’ll email you some not so light reading when I get a chance.
https://www.theauthoritarians.org
Great read that goes into this topic angry.
The edition I read (years ago) even have a test you can take to see how prone to authoritarian leaders you might be. Not sure if this one does or not, didn’t actually click any of the links since I have already read the book.
Cool, will read tomorrow or some time soon. Nuc, you should post the links you emailed me. Maybe others want to read that.
I already know I’m 0 prone to authoritarians. The blog should be self-evident in that area. It makes me a target of them, so maybe I’m a bit more nervous of Trump than some because I see those tendencies and know people like me would be enemies of the State.
I’m also very nervous of him dismantling medicare/S.S. — I can’t pay for my parents’ healthcare or retirement. Nobody can. We’d all go bankrupt and have our parents in our homes. Yet people are for it because the radio hosts tell them they’d get like $15 more in their paychecks each month. Trump called dismantling it “a fun project” for his second term…
Were you talking to me about this?
I’m not sure what movie your talking about?
I’m going off the numerous photos and videos of Biden being a creep. If we work out of the Democrats own playbook, in the #metoo era what he has done is unacceptable.
Even lefty pundits agreed less then a year ago, but now that hes the dems presidential candidate everything is hunky dory.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/04/joe-biden-hair-smelling-2020-race-lucy-flores-trevor-noah-daily-show/amp
Not really. There are plenty of Democrats that want him to withdraw.
Edit: it’s also weird that ostracizing people who are credibly accused of sexual harassment, molestation or rape is the Democrat playbook. Shouldn’t that just be the playbook?
Georgia Governor had no idea asymptomatic people could spread covid virus? Sharp tool, that guy
I’m currently living in Georgia right now and the lack of respect of the virus here is astounding. I don’t know how you can say you had no idea that the virus spreads asymptomatic when the freakin’ CDC is in his backyard, and every major news outlet has been touting that it spreads that way for months now.
Its down right pathetic and he’s saying it to recuse himself of not acting in the state’s best interest till it’s blowing up in his face. At least we aren’t Florida but not by much.
But he drives a pick up to round up illegals!
Oh man, you posted that and I remembered that quote but I was like oh yeah, what was that about… looking it up I find this usa today article with photo of said goober, pointing a shotgun at a dude sitting next to him.
Yep, real bright guy they elected.
GA, FL, LA are all about to become war zones.
Why isn’t Alabama as bad? They take it more seriously? If so, why?
My guess is less traveling due to more poverty.
Interesting. I though LA was the poorest of all those States. But I guess they had a huge influx of travelers for the party holidays.
It’s just a function of lower population and less dense urban areas. Mississippi and Alabama are in a similar boat in both metrics, and have similar COVID stats.
They probably are not a test kit priority and their governor hadn’t made a big deal about it. Same thing with Mississippi. Deschutes county has still only done a bit more than 300 tests for 200,0000 people. I ask my nurse and doctor friends why and they tell me there simply hasn’t been any test kits. They got an initial 250 and then random shipments of 3-8 at a time.
If there are really millions of kits sitting around, as claimed, then maybe send them out?
Thanks to Nuclear for the donation this morning.
I kind of wish Bill Gates were President, if we as a Nation were going the “businessman” direction (though we’re learning the hard way that’s not a good direction). He predicted the pandemic in 2015 on TED talk, philanthropist, general good guy, leader, no vacations/researches and reads books on vacation, insane ambition, etc. If we’re going that direction I wish we’d go with someone like that. We went the exact opposite.
Trump isn’t a businessman, him claiming to be doesn’t make it true.
He’s my favorite rich guy and I respect his drive to help. I do volunteer engineering for some companies that support the gates foundation projects too. That said he is staying in his lane as people are apt to say.
https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/bill-gates-was-asked-point-blank-on-reddit-today-if-hes-running-for-president-heres-his-answer.html
Right wingers are now making death threats to Fauci. They keep topping themselves every day.
I don’t get it. Dude is doing everything to save American lives. Without Fauci we would be absolutely screwed.
You don’t say anything that counters what Dear Leader says. If you do his cult (and it is a cult) will attack you in full force.
It is that simple.
I think they’re worried about (a) their jobs and (b) dear leader’s reelection falling to pieces more than they’re worried about grandma’s life. You’re seeing this narrative more and more. Glenn Beck brazenly came out and said as much. So they’re after Fauci now. Trump will probably blame Fauci at his next WV rally.
Maybe I am crazy but I think Trump will be helped by all this. It is like when your buddy talks you into surfing and you both almost die in a rip tide. Sure your buddy was leading the trip and an idiot for not knowing better but the bond you share from a shared near death experience is a strong one. I mean 9/11 probably gave Jr a second term.
Yeah I’ve thought about that…not sure. I figure Trump is an evil genius (not a stable one), and will figure out some way…
But then I realize he barely won last time, and people hate him more now. So. It will be interesting.
Trump was always going to win re-election, that has never been in doubt. Anyone that thinks it is hasn’t been paying attention.
Incumbents win, Americans don’t care if the leader is incompetent, they just like to stick with what they know. This is especially true i a crisis (even if it ultimately hurts them).
Demographics are not in his favor. He lost popular vote by 3 million last time. The age group that likes him most will lose 3-4 million members between 2016-2020. Gen-Z and Millennials are massively against trump (historically). Basically he needs the young to not vote to have a chance. Ofc they didn’t really vote in 2016 so even s measly turnout will still bury him in the popular vote. I know it’s the electoral college that matters but there is a tipping point where enough popular vote means you are screwed.
As usual people in the middle like angry will be there swing. Last election they mostly took a risk on Trump but most of that vote was based on economic policy.
Not looking so good for him.
Nuclearbeav
Don’t be surprised when young black men and Bernie Bro’s carry Trump to victory. And he doesn’t need anywhere near a majority of either group for it to be enough.
Those are the groups his campaign is targeting and I don’t underestimate Trump’s campaign. You shouldn’t either.
@young
Bernie bros already helped last time and lilkey the same ones will this time so I don’t see much net gain. I don’t have a feel for how young black men voted last time but I still doubt it makes up for 3-4 million deceased 65+ and up.
the only way Trump doesn’t win is if the Dems nominate Cuomo. I would welcome that. Biden is clearly in cognitive decline, which some here would equate with Trump’s status, but here’s the difference: Trump, at least, is making his own decisions. Who knows what forces will be pulling Biden here and there. Guy’s lost, sorry, much as I like him.
That’s what they said about Hillary. ^
Good point. Trump has a long track record of throwing everyone he can out on their butt and under the bus. It’s a matter of if, not when, for Fauci and Birx unless somehow this whole thing turns out really well for Trump.
Fauci? Great guy or so someone said, I’ve never met him. Some people say he does tremendous..I’ve never met him. I’m glad he’s out my gut knows viruses. My gut will get us out with only a million dead, it’s huge and tremendous, never met him. You seen his polls? Only 80%! What a loser, never seen him.
Where did you see that? Man we are devolving. Wonder if I have a copy of Lord of the Flies…
It’s all over the news. Fauci did a presser to speak about it. Just look on YT (search “Fauci reacts to reports he needs security detail after threats”). I don’t want to link it because it creates a giant video that ruins the thread.
Also, this:
“A recent headline in the American Thinker referred to Fauci as a “Deep-State Hillary Clinton-loving stooge.”
Again, my theory that alt-right/right is prone to conspiracy and obsession with the Clintons.
“The White House’s top medical expert on the coronavirus pandemic, Dr. Anthony Fauci, has reportedly been given a security detail after receiving death threats. Dr. Fauci has repeatedly contradicted Trump’s false claims about the pandemic and the timeline for any new treatments or a vaccine. He’s been pilloried in conservative media circles in language echoing President Trump. For example, a recent headline in the American Thinker referred to Fauci as a “Deep-State Hillary Clinton-loving stooge.”
I think it’s supported by a sentiment that isn’t only held by the alt-Right. There are also medical/science voices in Europe calling for an end to total quarantine claiming that it’s unwarranted, the virus isn’t bad enough to justify killing the economy, etc. Recent polls have shown higher social distancing compliance on the Left, higher skepticism on the Right, and a stronger belief on the Right that lockdown measures are unjustified.
People on the Left often get criticize for believing the State can solve all our problems. The Right’s version is idolizing the economy/free markets, and being anti-government to an absolute degree. That naturally leads to a state of denial about our current situation where they can’t possibly imagine inflciting economic harm on ourselves over a virus that’s “not that bad”, even while bodies pile up in hospitals. There is a time and place for collective action, but if you’ve conditioned yourself to believe authority is always wrong, you make it very difficult for yourself to accept the necessary precautions/actions.
Yeah good take.
I get being anti-government. But I don’t get how they think Trump is anti-government…he just spent the most taxpayer money in history and hijacked the treasury to spend more.
For me I think the whole point of the lockdown is to not overwhelm our health care systems. Once they have proper PPE and more ventilators I say remove the more draconian measures. Still encourage the social distancing and encourage the elderly and vulnerable to stay holed up for a while longer, but scale it back and open stuff up.
Ean, agree…
The problem is the issue of lockdown has become politicized. If we open the economy back up and people are still dying from COVID, even at much lower rates, there will be loud voices criticizing the authorities and saying “you killed my grandparents” or whatever.
That’s why China decided to announce there were no new cases and people didn’t need to wear masks anymore. Everyone knows it’s a lie, but you can’t ADMIT to sending people back out into a situation with heightened danger.
Seems like a no-win situation to me. Maybe you just tell people “you get to choose. If you do go out, wear masks and wash your hands.”
It’s going to be hard to go to a bar with a mask on. How can you have a cocktail or kiss the ladies??? Necessity is the mother of invention — expect some funky looking face masks coming soon!
Alcohol soaked tampons inserted in your rectum will allow you to keep your mask on(the high school kids are already doing it) Maybe they’ll start offering that at bars. Designer rectum cocktails.
Then, maybe dental dam kissing?
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/shocking-ways-kids-drunk/story?id=17281602
More Americans will die from this virus in the next several weeks than in all but 2 wars we have fought. Only the Civil War will likely kill more Americans than this virus will by the time it is done. And we’d pass the Civil War if life went back to normal.
We can sacrifice for a few months to save the number of lives we rarely even lose to war.
@young: I’m hoping we peak at 35-40k infections a day which would make our daily peak death around 3k. That means we will probably have a 9/11 level of deaths daily for acouple weeks.
I told my wife I was going to cut one of her bras in half and wear a cup as a face mask..she really wasn’t amused. I thought it was better than a bandana.
Toss a panty liner in there and you got something!
There’s this:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/01/amazon-coronavirus-new-york-chris-smalls-dismissed
And then there’s this: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/04/01/kroger-giving-additional-bonuses-for-workers.html
Italy’s rate of change dropped a bit. Spain is going to overtake them. And my estimate two weeks ago of 1mil by 4/3 looks to be one day early.
We’re 100 cases short of a mil and should pass it any minute.
That Senior award is a bunch of bollocks. I blame the FED!
Ionescu is a great player – but seriously, Pivec (or the nurse) deserved that award. There are plenty of “player of the year” awards out there – why not widen the spotlight a bit? I doubt the award even makes it onto Ionescu’s shelf at home.
The problem with politics is that people get too wrapped up in personalities, rooting for politicians like they’re a sports team. They get pissed off when their person loses, and taunt the opposition when their candidate wins. Focus on issues though – the ones that matter to you. You never have to defend an issue, an issue never cheated on a spouse, an issue won’t dabble in corruption, or quit when the times get a little tough.
And don’t watch cable news – any of it. It’s main priority is to keep you watching, wanting a litte more, investing in personalities, creating a narrative that will hook you in and keep stoking your need for a “fix.”
I was halfway into writing a long post that you just summed up with “focus on issues, not people” (I’d add parties to the list of things to ignore). The great thing is with individual issues, you can usually do something yourself to contribute to them (e.g. Worried about climate change? Work on your own emissions. Are you anti-abortion? Foster/adopt a kid that needs a home.)
As an example, removing Trump doesn’t by itself solve anything. It just opens up a vacuum for someone else to step into, and our track record for choosing non-destructive presidents is not good.
My main worry on Trump is that his road map will be copied by everyone.
For climate change I agree we should all do what we can but a shift to a tax and dividend seems like the only real solution to me. Unleash the free market on the problem.
Disagree, we need science to get involved which almost always requires government grants.
I listened to a Tedtalk the other day that talked about microbes that live off carbon and produce rocks that lock in the carbon. Science is trying to figure out the chemical process the microbes use. That is a real solution to this problem.
Personally, I think expecting the free market to do (without massive government intervention) it will kill us all. Our system simply is not set up to reward long term research. It is all about the next quarter. Climate changed won’t be solved with short term thinking.
The tax and dividend though makes it so innovation and long term thinking gets massively rewarded by money.
You trust corporations more than I do.
I’d rather go back to viewing corporations more as our founders did.
And our founders believed corporations did have a responsibility to serve the public good but that belief has been dead for over a century, I don’t see it coming back.
Corporations will game the system to make the next quarter look great like they always do, the current system demands it of them.
I only trust corporations to maximize profit. The carbon tax makes it so reduction in carbon emissions is necessary to increase profits.
Spot on regarding cable news!
My problem with the CLASS award is that the result this year for WBB did not reflect the publicly stated priorities or methodology of the sponsoring organization. Fan votes were to be 1/3 of the decision and performance in games was only 1 of 4 categories to be considered. Didn’t happen.
Eggers Out!
Eggers tweets, “Just got word I’ve been laid off at the Portland Tribune after 19-plus years & 45 years in the sportswriting biz. I was planning a July 31 retirement, but as Ralph Miller used to say, that’s the way the pickle squirts…”
Not perfect, but one of the best reporting on Beavs sports (and sometimes the local music scene).
I would fund him on Patreon to keep him writing.
Wow.
Hey thanks for the donation, whoever just sent that.
No prob!
10/10 Avatar
AB campaign to fund Eggers to keep writing? If he set up his own entity he could do part-time work and probably get a press pass.
His analysis isn’t always great, but he’s always asked the best questions and been a source of unique information.
Agreed, we can do it men. Let’s get AB a press pass!
You guys should tell him to come be a guest writer here. Retweet if you agree.
https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/1245803923685793795
University of Pitt school of Medicine staff are claiming to have a potential vaccine developed for the current strain of the coronavirus. Pretty cool stuff.
Testing in mice showed they developed antibodies within 2 weeks after receiving vaccine. Human testing to come.
https://twitter.com/UPMCnews/status/1245730576310702080?s=19
Best part is it tastes likes sharp cheddar.
Cheese steak vaccine? I would volunteer for that.
Since he was retiring in three months, there’s no need to raise money for him. But what if, on the other hand, Angry put out a request for him to become the AB correspondent?
See above. I put out a Tweet.
For work, reviewing some trend analysis of members in our health plan who have been flagged in tiered categories as being Covid19 patients over the last month.
The category for patients diagnosed as “positive” is the interesting piece.
Even as the category showing patients coming in continues to rise pretty steadily day to day, the number of positive diagnosis seems to have almost peaked as of 3/24.
Of course it’s a small sample size and doesn’t include some of the hardest hit areas of the country. But it does seem to indicate that at a time when you would have expected to see a more exponential upward trend develop(the increase in patients coming in does indicate this trend), the “curve” showing positive cases does seem to indicate a slow down in confirmed cases for our population. Time will tell, of course. I’ll be seeing these trends on a weekly basis so next week may tell a completely different story.
But, initial analysis of the first 30 days is actually somewhat encouraging.
For reference, we had zero patients flagged for any category as of Feb 29th, so this trend really just represents the month of March.
Do you have a way to track availability of tests? To me that curve is just showing inability to test or long test times.
I dont. I’m sure somebody i work with does, but i’m viewing a downstream report to use for some later financial analysis.
For this data, positive cases are diagnosed via positive test or symptomatic based diagnosis in absence of a test.
The lag time between testing and diagnosis may become more evident as we see more weeks of data added to current results.
I’m pretty worried that the test kits are being prioritized and things are much worse in low population states than the data suggests
Over the last two weeks there has been plenty of wondering how bad this infection is and where the US sits on the “doing well” scale. As mentioned above we have hit 1,000,000 reported infections world wide so here are the numbers. Approximate populations are in brackets [ ]. Data is from world meter. I left out China due to their numbers likely being a total lie. Germany and Iran likely are not completely accurate.
World: 1,004,533 reported infections and 51,560 reported deaths. ~75k reported infections daily and ~5000 deaths daily.
US: 237,877 reported infections and 5718 deaths. ~27k reported infections daily and ~1000 deaths dialy. (23.6% of total infections, 11% of total deaths, 36% of daily infections, 20% of daily deaths)
Comparisons (infections/daily change, deaths/daily change, infections/deaths per capita, mortality)
US [330m] – 237,877 infected/27,000 daily, 5,768 deaths/ 1,049 daily, .000072% infected/.0000018% dead, 2.4% mortality
South Korea [51.47m] (same date of first infection) – 9976 infections/>100 daily, 169 deaths/ 4 daily), .000019% infected/.00000033% dead, 1.69% mortality.
Italy [60.48m] – 115,242 infections/4,668 daily, 13,915 deaths/760 daily, .00019% infected/.000023% dead, 12% mortality.
Spain [46.66m] – 110,238 infections/6,120 daily, 10,096 deaths/709 daily, .00024% infected/.000022% dead, 9.15% mortality.
Germany [82.79m] – 84600 infections/6,619 daily, 1,097 deaths/166 daily, .0001% infected/.000008% dead, 1.29% mortality.
France [67m] – 59,105 infections/2,116 daily, 4,503 deaths/471 daily, .000088% infected/ .0000067% dead, 7.6% mortality.
Iran [81.16m] – 50,468 infections/2,875 daily, 3,160 deaths/124 daily, .000062% infected/.0000039% dead, 6.3% mortality.
Harsh perhaps but . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-longer-lockdown-continues-the-more-imperilled-we-become
Harsh?……..indeed.
Impossible?……..not really.
An excerpt:
“Prey to simplistic sentimentality, politicians loath to land on the wrong side of the bogus money-vs-people debate could keep economies in the dead zone for months on end — through the summer, or even until the mass dissemination of that mythical vaccine in, say, 2022. Unremitting ‘better safe than sorry’ policies could transform life as we know it for years to come — and not in an improving direction.”
and yet, Trump was ridiculed for saying we can’t have the cure become worse than the disease. He was cowed into extending lock down for another month because the media would scream “you have blood on your hands.”
This arguement is bizarre to me. The economy isn’t worth millions of people dieing needlessly. If we open up sooner it will be worse. It’s already going to be bad.
What is the acceptable loss here? The US isn’t even close to peaking deaths and infections are flattening in only a few areas. We don’t even know if that’s lack of testing or actually real.
It’s like the classic two people drowning arguement but instead of picking one you just say screw it let them both drown cause it’s not my job. This hyper rational thinking works great until you or someone you love is on deaths door. Bizarre
“millions of people dying.” The health metric that the vaunted Bill Gates and his foundation started at the University of Washington (and we all agree Gates is credible, right?) at this moment “assuming full social distancing through May 2020” stipulates that nationally, with the peak demand on hospital resources coming on April 15, by “August 4, 2020″ there will be 93,531 deaths.” C’mon people get a grip. Is it bad? yes. do I “social distance,” yes. But millions of people are not going to die. good grief
The article is arguing to let the virus go and take the losses not follow the guidelines in those projections. Also the projections are guesses based on available data. If we dropped all isolation right now we could have millions of deaths.
I can like an organization yet not agree with everything it does or says.
Would millions of people die?
I don’t know and noone else does either, that’s the point. If 2% mortality is true and everyone in the US gets infected that’s 6.6 million dead. If half get infected it’s 3.3 million dead. If the mortallity is 1% and half get sick that’s 1.65 million dead. If mortallity is 0.5% and half get infected that’s 825k dead. We don’t know what numbers are right but the potential risk is quite high.
Let’s hope this is something.
https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/pittsburgh-scientists-say-coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-fast-tracked-after-key-animal-testing/
Speaking of vaccines, anybody hear anything out of Seattle with that trial they started over a month ago?
I haven’t heard anything but I’m not surprised. Clinical trials are usually kept very quiet until completion.
Poll of ADs shows they will face a financial apocalypse this fall if no football is played. Hard to see OSU surviving it or any other smaller school.
Could wipe out all group of 5 schools in my opinion. No body bag games to keep their programs going.
Maybe Nvidia will bail out OSU in exchange for naming rights.
Coming Fall 2021: Nvidia University Football. Go (Bitcoin) Miners!
Mike Leach had to apologize via twitter for a tweet he put out earlier.
Trying to be funny, he posted a picture of a husband and wife sitting at home on quarantine, and the wife is busy knitting a noose. Caption was was something to the effect of “after 2 weeks of quarantine with her husband, Gertrude decided to knit him a scarf.”
Some people from his school including current players on his roster complained about the imagery, prompting Leach to delete it and apologize.
Who knew noose humor wasn’t a popular thing in Mississippi?
Dumbass
Literally gallows humor.
That’s great. Love it.
I’m typically probably overly sensitive to that stuff, but that’s pretty funny.
Destiny Slocum to transfer
Darn
what’s up with that?
Odd in that there didn’t seem to be any signs. Would have been her team next year. Would’ve thought she would opt to go to the WNBA as she is draft eligible this year vs another year in college.
^^My thoughts exactly. ^^
Jasmine Simmons has some big shoes to fill, she has had time in the system and seems capable. The fortunes of the team are now, more than otherwise, largely dependent on the timing of Kennedy Brown’s recovery from ACL.
Curious to hear the take of Great Swammi.
I can understand wanting to be closer to home during a time like this. A lot of people’s personal situations have changed drastically over the past month.
Where does “closer to home” fit in this story?
Hasn’t she merely entered the portal without a specific destination? Isn’t her home Meridian, Idaho?
Not many highly rated WBB programs closer to Meridian than OSU.
Have I missed something?
Just speculating, that’s all
That’s a bummer. She was a very good player and and I thought going to contribute more next season.
This virus stuff maybe an issue, but isn’t this her second transfer? Maybe she has commitment issues….
Probably wants to play in an up-tempo style. Lots of transfers out of Maryland. Brenda is tough to play for.
More Totalitarianism/Trump influence. What Country do we live in?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/navy-expected-relieve-captain-who-raised-alarm-about-covid-19-n1175351
Trump States of America.
Senate crowned him King, did you miss that?
Kings do king shit.
what a farce. Totalitarianism. Read the story. The captain’s letter was “leaked” to the media. Yeah. He leaked it, Comey style. There’s something known as chain of command and civilian control of the armed forces.
He sent info over unsecured email. It’s telling everyone on your public Facebook account that you’re going on vacation for 2 weeks. Super smart.
Doesn’t make his superior’s decision right, though, does it?
Yes it does. There is accountability in the military. ANYTHING that happens on ship is ultimately the captains responsibility.
Seems like a hasty call for totalitarianism. Honestly I doubt Trump would pay attention or respond to something that quickly. The admirals reasoning is sound, he broke security protocol and chain of command. I could understand it if the higher ups were ignoring the threat to his subordinates but the story doesn’t mention prior communications. Worth keeping an eye on but seems like a big jump to conclusions issue.
No wait a minute. Do you think that it is such a hot idea to let the world, especially our enemies, know that one of our major elements of force projection is having trouble keeping a healthy complement of sailors?? This guy should be hung from the yardarm for ‘aiding and abetting the enemy’. Any problems should have been channeled up through the chain of command-in private. He has put his entire crew in danger I don’t know what the hell has happened to our armed forces, especially the officer corp, but this guy sounds like he has a Col. Vindeman problem.
Probably not a good idea to project your weaknesses to enemies, especially when your patrolling the western Pacific. I think the roosevelt was have its planes laser targeted by the Chinese not more then 2-3 weeks ago.
Well said, BB.
And wannabeavs point about chain of command is spot on, even if lost on those who dwell in ivory towers.
There is a chain of command for a reason. Our carriers are arguably our most important national security assets and it was revealed that his ship was in a compromised state to our enemies. Anybody that ever served in the Navy knew he was toast as soon as this came out. Trump has nothing to do with this. Get a grip.
Here you guys go. ReTweet the crap out of it if you want Eggers to consider hanging with the degenerates.
https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/1245861014727323648
Did Eggers just thumb this down? Lol
How about some movie recommendations for this lockdown? Some of mine:
Blazing Saddles (everybody HAS to have seen this?? Couldn’t pull this off today)
Old School
Team America
Raising Arizona
Midnight in Paris
Bull Durham
Blood Diamond
Clay Pigeons
It’s a Disaster
Jeremiah Johnson (talk about isolation)
Up in the Air
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Airplane
Grosse Pointe Blank
Office Space
I’m watching the MCU movies again. So far 8, only 15 to go. First time I watched was in release order, this time in chronological order.
It’s a long fun road. Enjoy the journey!
Young Frankenstein
Superbad
In Bruges
Money Ball
Last Samuari
Get him to the Greek
Inglorious Bastards
Knives Out
Cabin in the Woods
American Ultra
I love you man
Abraham Lincoln Vampire Killer
I like “In Bruges.” Mostly good, different. Ridiculous the guy can talk after several story fall but otherwise…
Check out “London Boulevard” for similar dark theme, non-standard ending.
Superbad is so fun. Last Samuari is relaxing/awesome, though people always think I’m joking when I say that for some reason. Money Ball is classic.
Is Cabin in the Woods good? Haven’t seen any of the others.
Cabin in the woods is one of the greatest twist movies ever. Don’t look up anything about it. Just watch it. It’s one of those movies that is only truly great the first time.
I still need to check out “Money Ball,” still haven’t seen.
And all you guys should give “Clay Pigeons” a chance. One of those rare films where every character has a meaningful role, every major characters gets great dialogue, there’s humor, and the cinematography and the sound track are excellent. Features Juaquin Phoenix, Vince Vaughn.
Once upon a time in Hollywood. I I enjoyed it. Only wish that was the real outcome, it would have been better for everyone.
That’s not how Tarntino plays. He makes alternate realities of stuff he doesn’t like the ending to when he makes a historical script.
Team America for the win
I took a first date to that movie. Puppet sex scene was a little awkward. I remember children in the theater.
It was rated R… But most parents suck at parenting, so not surprised
Not a movie, but have been binge watching Better Call Saul the last couple of weeks. Not sure what took me so long. Really liked Breaking Bad several years ago and this show has alot of crossover with that show.
It’s a little slower paced than Breaking Bad, but the writing and direction are on par.
Yes! I watch this. Kim Wexler is kinda hot! I am really enjoying watching the crossover characters evolve into what they were on breaking bad
I actually find the subplot surrounding Mike Ehrmentraut and Hector Salamanca to be the most interesting part of the show. Mike’s a really complex character and learning his early life story after already knowing the later story in Breaking Bad has been cool to see unfold. I’m nearly finished with season 3, and from what I’ve seen in reviews, Season 4 and 5 are supposed to be even better.
Kim is like that slightly nerdy, attainable hottie who in real life doesn’t exist. At least not in my experience…haha.
Mike’s got a great storyline. The writers, directors and actors do a fantastic job on character development. I agree the Kim Wexler type doesn’t exist in real life and it’s a damn shame.
1917 was really well directed and filmed definitely worth a watch. Also watched jojo rabbit not expecting much but was pretty funny and different. Hitler is played by the director and is hilarious.
Taika is the man. Check out What We Do in the Shadows.
^^^^^^^^Clay Pigeons….brings back memories!
Jeremiah Johnson… biggest Beaver killer in Civil War history
I finished The Stand mini series…just okay. A lot of cheesy S.K. stuff and pretty poor directing and overacting. I liked the Cobra Kai mini series more. Lol
I’m not surprised. Enjoyable read, but already been done so no one is likely to bring both good+ production values and story treatment to it.
Similarly, saw the previews to “Call of the Wild,” looked ridiculous and like it bore little fidelity to the Jack London classic. When I first heard about it I was excited about the potential for real production dollars and effort and dollars brought to the story, but looks like a cartoon.
I’m going to rewatch Mind Hunter. Absolutley love that series, but we’ll probably never see another new episode.
I loved the first season. I second wasn’t nearly as good.
What sucks is the windup to BTK and now were left hanging. I was hoping they would do Gary Ridgeway too.
Have you guys seen night crawler? That’s a fantastic movie. Zodiac, too.
Ken Burns’ Baseball is great. Depending on your mental state, it can either be fascinating or relaxing.
It’s awesome until the 70s disc. Then it turns to shit.
Admittedly, I haven’t made it that far.
He did a good one on country music as well.
The country music one was excellent.
Maybe it is just me but I hate the way infrastructure spending is so politicized. Infrastructure is terrible as a quick boost to the economy. Typically for large infrastructure projects it takes 3 or so years from planning til ground is broken. You have planning, surveying, environment consultants, engineering, public comments, a year or more of permitting. You don’t just sign a bill spend a trillion and a bunch of rough cut dudes break out shovels like the fantasy is. Infrastructure spending really needs to be a steady flow. I see it with our roads, a lot of times a full rebuild is needed but the political folks pressure the road departments to get stuff going so the public can see what is going on. That just leads to lots of pavement overlays as those don’t require the same level of design and permitting and it gives lots of pretty streets for the public to look at. Plus those are not real labor intensive, most the money goes to the batching plant… Maybe a good time to invest in those especially with oil so low… Lmao
Yup we should spend about 5X on road and bridge maintenance than we do. Keeping a good road good is so much cheaper than fixing a bad road.
Every city and state has a list of bond measure attempts and projects that they have done some feasibility studies on or more. The smart way to do road infrastructures is to fund maintanence and replacement while also funding the projects that have already gone through feasibility and environmental impact. Starting from scratch works exactly how you way, years before anything is done.
I remember years ago reading a large number of bridges are near failure…forget the %. Hold my breath every time I cross one, though. Meanwhile, we have to spend 6 trillion bailing out banks because some idiots used the moral hazard of free FED printing press money to make bad speculations.
2017 bridge report https://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/cat-item/bridges/
9% is actually less than I remember reading. Still sucks.
At one point I remember it being 15%+. Obama infrastructure program after 2008 crash had a good amount of bridge work. The 2007 I-35 bridge collapse was a big impetus for that
US just spent a huge amount retrofitting & upgrading bridges. Oregon’s program was 1.3b if I remember correctly and was called Oregon Transportation Improvement Act (OTIA) The program was implemented in 3 phases.
Do you know how the funding worked on those? It looks like Fed grants and matching based on municipal/state commitments. I know Bend has applied for one of those to fix up north hwy 97 between Redmond and Bend but we can never get enough funding to do what the civil engineers want.
Infrastructure spending? Even if it did some good, if we allow this shutdown to go on and on, it will destroy this economy in ways we can’t even fathom.
Another great depression…nobody will be ABLE to drive across new bridges, roads, or use airports, ect. Savings will be wiped out.
The medical industry will be hard hit, hospitals and medical centers, ongoing R/D into this virus will simply stop. Then where will those with all
manner of medical needs go? We are by no means the same nation we were during the 1st one.
If we are in a war against this virus, and I believe we have to be, then it will be similar to all other wars, that there will be collateral damage.
It’s an inescapable fact. In WW2, about 400,000 us troops died. We had to make the decision to either protract the war further, and suffer a
million more estimated deaths, or drop the atomic bomb and end it. We may reach the same point in time, where a like decision will have to
be made.
I’d like someone from the Right to address this from above:
I’m also very nervous of Trump dismantling medicare/S.S. — I can’t pay for my parents’ healthcare or retirement. Nobody can. We’d all go bankrupt and have our parents in our homes. Yet people are for it because the radio hosts tell them they’d get like $15 more in their paychecks each month. Trump called dismantling these programs “a fun project” for his second term…
I’m having a hard time how a small paycheck deduction is worse than complete financial anihilation/caring for our parents, siblings, etc. Worse, they might have to live with us, their kids, should they run out of money funding their own healthcare once they blow through their life savings. I think Republicans want the elderly to spend all their money on healthcare, bankrupt them, then fuck it whatever happens after that happens. And I’ve heard “if you’re responsible you can afford retirement, yada yada blah”…my parents are both financially set. Not that this should matter, but I hear that argument so let’s nip it in the bud. But they can blow through that in a few months should they get an awful disease. Then they’d be blowing through my money and living in my home.
I think it’s much smarter to pay a few bucks each paycheck as insurance against all that. It’s essentially crownfunding/insurance so nobody has to go bankrupt at 40 while having their 80 year old dying parents living in their house. Is the answer to this really “tough luck, buttercup, fasten those bootstraps?” If so I don’t think these people have lived through it or will ever have to (super wealthy tend to propagate this message).
This is probably all irrelevant now that Trump is a Socialist and no one is going to like the idea of cutting entitlement programs during a recession.
I think Trump and the GOP recognize that retirement age voters are one of their key demographics, so they’re unlikely to immediatley dismantle either. That said, SS is going to be insolvent by 2035 at the latest (likely much sooner with all the unemployment coming up). It’s an issue that has to be addressed at some point. One approach that has been discussed is restricting payouts based on income/wealth levels. That’s an idea that could have bipartisan support, but it wouldn’t likely make much of a dent in the SS funding shortfall. They’re already paying out more than they bring in. If you look at the private sector for inspiration, companies with pension shortfalls will usually offer a reduced lump sum or lower long-term payout rate (or they’ll just give a lump sum with no alternative). SS could take that approach, too.
Medicare would be the bigger concern out of the two, but it’s a very popular program with a key GOP voting bloc, so I doubt it’s going anywhere anytime soon.
To me, the most likely outcome is that whenver these programs get dismantled, there will be an age cutoff and Gen X will get screwed because they’re the smallest generation and easiest political casualty. The GOP can make it a political win by saying “we made the hard decision to cut entitlement spending” but not actually impacting anyone for 20-25 years. I think there was some math like this with Obamacare where they projected it would start saving money in 2030.
Everyone is a socialist these days! You’re, like the media using it to bash the President.
I agree that he isn’t a socialist. Hes just enacting the most expensive socialist policies in the history of the planet.
CJ, you okay? You seem like you have something wrong (corona??) with you lately. I don’t remember you being like this in the past.
Trump’s own words:
“Events in Venezuela remind us all that socialism and communism are not about justice, they are not about equality, they are not about lifting up the poor and they are certainly not about the good of the nation,” Trump said. “Socialism and communism are about one thing only: Power for the ruling class,” Trump continued. “Today I repeat a message to the world that I have delivered at home: America will never be a socialist country.”
Last week Trump enacted the largest Socialist policy in US history. He also begged the FED, a socialist institution, to lower rates, QE, and buy every asset under the sun.
The end.
Just fine, thanks for asking. I just haven’t gone bug fuck like some of the folks around here and I’m getting really tired of the bullshit a lot of people are voicing!
What I say is…go back to your cave and STFU!
I gotta ask, what’s “bug fuck”?
Triggered snowflake? Oh the irony!
Bug fuck is when you’re talking out your ass because your mouth knows better.
LOL, Trump’s budget could call for the end of social security and medicare if he wants it to. Do you really think it will pass Congress? Presidential Budgets are a wish list that never happen. If you don’t believe me name the last president that wrote a budget and was pass on a vote in Congress without changes.
What’s even funnier is Obama wrote a similar budget for 2017 with similar cuts to medicare (guess what? It didnt pass). The sky isn’t always falling.
Exactly right. Presidential budgets are a wish list at best and a political football at worst.
Movies: in approximate chronological order:
All Quiet on the Western Front
High Noon
Shane
Giant
Ben Hur
Goldfinger
A Hard Day’s Night
Dr. Strangelove
The Pawnbroker
Easy Rider (great soundtrack too)
2001 A Space Odyssey
Medium Cool
Serpico
And Justice for All
Animal House
Caddyshack
Alien
Dances with Wolves
Saving Private Ryan
Schindler’s List
The Matrix
Hachi
Life of Pi
Argo
The Art of Racing in the Rain
Ford v. Ferrari
1917
sometimes a great notion
bad day at black rock
runaway train
colossus: the forbin project
mister roberts
pale rider
when worlds collide
the sting
to live and die in LA
butch cassidy/sundance kid
ken burns baseball
sorcerer (with roy scheider)
the guns of navarone
in the heat of the night
high plains drifter
the missouri breaks
hatari!
the getaway
the searchers
duel
Admittedly, all old school “guy” flicks. For feel-good entertainment:
the sound of music
hachi
oh, god!
RIP Bill Withers. Will be in rotation during work today. One of my favs
(not Covid19 related)
@BB – https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2764199
Looks like trials are still sketchy on clorqiune and derivitives. 10 known studies going atm.
If you download the pdf it has links to lists of trials for drugs and clinical trials for vaccines.
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0005/v1
I’ve seen that, nothing new really. They really have to have large study trials to get a clear picture of the effectiveness. But with the situation going on that’s going to be difficult. I know all of the previous articles I have posted are anecdotal at best, but when a front line doctor sees improvement with the treatment I’m going to trust what they are seeing, and hoping they have no ulterior motive.
If you have time, go to the first author’s Twitter. She is a rheumatologist getting a registry of patients with covid19. Sounds like they are going to look at prophylactic properties of rheumatoid drugs possibly.
They need to run double blind studies to really ensure dependable results.
Has anyone read up on Event 201? Not linking it but a google search will bring it up quickly. So crazy that they simulated almost this exact scenario 1 month before the first case of COVID-19 was reported. Too bad the simulation and recommended preparations weren’t done months earlier.
I believe the kids would say “Big Oof”
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/no-lockdown-please-w-re-swedish
Be interesting to see how it works out. Be a huge culture shift in most places to do what they do.
Beavs MBB picks up a new JUCO Wing commit. Tariq Silver.
It’s funny, I got approached by someone on twitter 2 days ago asking me to create an “edit” for him. I had to decline because work is extra busy right now. Didn’t realize it would end up being a commitment edit, but looks like he found an alternative solution.
https://twitter.com/TariqSilver/status/1246135481533968385?s=09
You didn’t want to “tarnish” your reputation?
Parents should have named him Sterling…
My first thought was Duke Silver
Gophers had a DT named Royal Silver.
So the Slocum thing is real? I thought it was an April fools joke.
Announced it on the 2nd.
Now watch her end up at oregon
That would be the worst possible outcome, so you probably nailed it.
I did too, then it came across my news feed a little after I saw the post. :(
Way OT: Anybody ever use a steam cleaner on a car engine and/or interior?
No. I wonder if the steam would hurt the engine paint. It’s made for high temp but idk about steam might make it want to separate from the metal.
I think it’ll be ok to steam it on the engine. Cover the electronics though. I feel it’s no different than driving through a puddle and splashing on the motor. the interior should be ok too, same deal with electronics. Is this rig really that dirty?
It has not been driven in 14 years. My project to restore. I want to get the engine clean so as to better eval the condition of things.
Does this vehicle happen to be an 84 Cutlass Supreme?
Lol
Nope
Steam can really get in nooks and crannies. I’ve always just covered up electronics, disconnected the battery and then pressure washed on the lowest pressure nozzle setting.
Thx. Battery is dead and in the trunk.
Hey angry (or anyone), what do you use for recording music? If you want to lay down a rhythm track and then jam over it or something like that. I am not real good but if I could find a cheap decent way to record and jam back that’d be a lot of fun and good practice.
If you google “backing tracks” you should find a ton of stuff to play over.
I personally use Superior Drummer because it has grooves and you can create your own. Another good option is a cheap metronome (I recommend “Pro Metronome” app) if you just need a time keeper.
To record music I use Cubase, but there are free softwares like Garageband and Audacity. Studio One is excellent and reasonably priced, and Reaper is cheap (though I don’t like it, many love it). I know a lot about audio engineering so if you have any other questions let me know.
Interesting compilation of Dr. Drew moving the goal posts on Covid. It’s easy to say he sucks but many intelligent people have been doing this. It’s human to rationalize and minimize scary things.
https://youtu.be/gsVRA485Go0
Lmao, we’ve already had 18 other of these
A lot of intelligent people have been trying to flex their intelligence on something they really don’t know. This has made it really difficult for the common person to know who/what to believe. It is a bit disheartening that in today’s age with as much technology and knowledge that we have as humans, that something like this can still catch us by surprise.
I would just stick to reasonable worse case and reasonable precaution and ignore the changing projections and opinions. None of us are affecting policy or making any decision past how to protect ourselves, our workers and our families. Wash you hands, wear masks/scarves/bandanas in public, practice 6 ft distance and stay home as much as possible. As for projections of what to expect just assume 2% mortality and 50% infections. That will give you a worst case and if policies work or we get effective treatment then that’s great!
Assume 50% of the population will get the virus and 2% of those will die? Fear monger much?
Worst case Jay. I didn’t say thats a likely outcome. Preparing for the worst and hoping for the best is wisdom as old as time.
Yah you knock yourself out living your life through a lense of worst-case scenario.
Not to mention that worst-case scenario is absolutely ludicrous. Why not just double it? Prepare for the worst and all.
What do you think worst case is if nothing is done? Reported mortality rates in some countries are over 11%. Its a virus that may have an R0 of 3. Worst case policy would be literally do nothing and just carry on living. What exactly do you think would happen given the available data if we just let it roll?
Why are you so mad about this? I didn’t invent the numbers and i said WORST case.
O.M.G.
Who does he work for?
Why isn’t the alt-right all over this guy? Clearly a (R) shill spreading disinformation. Gaslighting, USA.
He works for anyone that pays him.
This guy is weird, but it’s a good explanation as to how you die.
Saw this last week. Fyi the end is a bit morbid if you are weak stomached.
Edit: Angry what’s the embed command?
Click “share” on youtube, then copy the “embed” link (far left link under “share”).
Thanks
Makes me all the more thankful my parents were both able to handle their pneumonia symptoms on their own without the need for breathing assistance. It was a rough couple of weeks for both of them, but they were lucky.
Now we are entering that territory where the ability to treat the more serious cases will be compromised by lack of resources(staffing, supplies, equipment). During the ramp up and down from peak capacity, it’s all the more important to take precautionary measures to keep yourself out of that situation.
It’s almost like you would have been better off getting this shit early and out of the way, or very late, when things have cooled off and we’ve hopefully developed more effective treatment options.
Yep. This is going to be the worst phase.
Anyone hear anything about OSU men’s hoops. The O has a story that says they’re still recruiting – perhaps Payton Dastrup left the team – and I wonder if there may be other transfers once the winter semester is in the books.
Obviously I think Tinkle is safe, but I do remember Craig Robinson’s final season. Had a group that had been playing together for a few years, expected to contend for an NCAA bid and fell woefully short. A few weeks passed and I think Hallice Cook, the team’s lone returning starter announced he was transferring and Robinson was done.
Not that I’ve been impressed with Big Tinks, but CR’s last game was a blow out loss to Radford in the CBI to finish 16-16 and even then it took BDC some time to finally put CR out of his misery.
Thought Dastrup was a known academic causality already? For some reason I feel like I read that last month somewhere, but I could be wrong.
Maybe Tinks will be a more effective coach once all of the sons are gone. He did a pretty good job with the Payton II squad.
Always wondered if having 3 sons on the team made us an easy target for negative recruiting.
“You dont want to go play for OSU, they give all of their playing time and shots to their favored sons. You won’t even see the ball”
It’s not untrue, either.
With Lil Tinks gone, they will finish last in the conference again. Dead men walkin’
My friend got a version of this in the mail today. It reads like a Costco renewal notice but from hell.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-candidates-survey
#9 is the best. Doesn’t give an option where Trump can lose.
Really good interview from Fauci on Fox and Friends. Speaking a lot of sense. I time stamped it to the start of the interview.
https://youtu.be/rJuyRnA6D1k?t=58
Fauci admits he was wrong on masks, just like he was wrong in mid January when he said the virus was not a threat. Two days later China locked down Wuhan. Of course, Fauci gets a pass because, well, because he’s Fauci. Trump can’t get a pass for anything he says about the virus, noting, however, that he’s been relying on Fauci all along.
Poor Donald can’t get a pass.
https://twitter.com/JoelLawsonDC/status/1246210942519717889?s=19
Okay lets hear trump admit he was wrong then I will consider it.
That was a really good informational interview, is that really all you got from it?
Lol. His entire life is nothing but a pass.
so, remember yesterday, when some people were complaining about totalitarianism–“how dare they demote that captain!”– I chimed in and said he was relieved of command for a very sensible reason–he had breached the chain of command and worse, had leaked it to the press. Confession time: I was guessing that he had leaked it to the press, but, applying the critical thinking skills I have honed on this site, I trusted my ability to deconstruct the scenario.
So, in today’s Wall Street Journal we learn that Captain Crozier leaked his memo to his hometown newspaper. He had learned well from that dirty cop Comey.
Someone from a thread above was interested in my take on Destiny leaving OSU….well, I was surprised to say the least. I thought there was a possibility, however remote, that she might test the draft in the WNBA. I find her decision somewhat curious given that she would have been the top point guard in the Pac-12 next season and that would have brought more attention to her game and the Beavers as well. Unfortunately, I don’t think she was a good fit at OSU for whatever reason and did the transfer thing for the second time in her career.
I’m trying to figure out where she might land given she’s from Idaho and it might make sense Boise State could be the place or even the Zags. I have hard time thinking she’ll go back east because she’s been there and done that already. I don’t know what the transfer rules are for transferring within your own conference, but I think it might require the approval of the program losing her. I know Oregon would probably love to poach her, but I don’t think that can happen without Rueck’s approval although I could be wrong about that.
Without Destiny at PG, it’s definitely a hit to the Beavers roster but Simmons will see extended PT and maybe even start. I thought she looked good for parts of games she played but not consistently productive.
Aleah will be the glue for the team and hopefully Sasha Goforth steps up too. The entire season really depends on the recovery and return of Kennedy Brown and last I heard at the end of the Pac-12 conference she hadn’t eve had surgery. If she didn’t have surgery prior to this shutdown, no hope of having that surgery anytime soon so hopefully she was repaired before the COVID virus hit.
Because of the COVID virus situation, I haven’t been able to talk with Nick McWilliams, Katy’s father, as he and I exchange information about WBB. I’m really interested to get his take on it, but only see him while I’m at the gym. I guess I’ll have to wait. In the meantime, opportunity for Rueck to look at the transfer portal to see if he can land a player or two.
On another note, I’m hoping we finally see movement on the Aquino situation. I’ve gotta think if she’s unable to go, you have to move forward and free up her roster spot. I guess we’ll find out next season (if there is a season to be played).
Good luck to Destiny but if for some reason she becomes a Duck….well, I’d wish her nothing but bad luck as a Duck but not as a person.
Someone from a thread above was interested in my take on Destiny leaving OSU
I’m guilty, thanks for weighing in.
nicebeav and BG floating the thought that she might become a duck…….ugh!
I did notice, though, that two uck players recently also entered the portal.
You and I are of the same mind concerning the importance of Kennedy Brown. Not that she will be the standout star necessarily, but that she will be an important piece of the puzzle which has some known quantities in Aleah and Taylor. As to her ACL, all I can find is a statement in the GT that she, “is recovering from an ACL injury and her timetable for a return to the court is not known” It would be a lot more encouraging if that quote said she was recovering from surgery
Please keep us posted on anything from Nick McWilliams.
I will let you know what Nick says, but it’s going to be a while before I see him at the gym unless the gym opens sooner than later….He’s an assistant coach for Silverton’s HS basketball team now…..
She won’t be a duck. They signed 5 top players. They won’t risk losing them to sign a grad transfer.
Brown had surgery on her knee after the tourney.
Rueck doesn’t use all his scholarships anyway so Aquino could ride it out til the end without displacing anyone. Rueck has said he doesn’t use all his scholarships since anyone who is #12 and beyond, doesn’t play. We’ll see if the girl from Serbia plays next year too. Hopefully they both can play and then Rueck can sub in fresh bigs continuously.
He should reevaluate his scholarship stance. Couple injuries and the season’s flushed.
Swammi- Its “katie’s dad” not “Katy’s dad”. Slocum and Rueck didn’t get along. Don’t need to look any further than her playing time over the past two years in critical minutes. Slocum’s parents had a problem with it and want her somewhere else. Aquino will never play again. I have told you this countless times. Genetic disorder that prevents her from playing. Too big of a risk for the university and it won’t happen. Got it right from the horses mouths of several of her teammates. Believe it or not. Don’t really care, but it’s true. I thought you said you were a Duck fan? Hypocrite
hey, since we’ve mostly gone political all the time, remember a few years back when they were some on here bemoaning the end of net neutrality, well, here’s a compelling paragraph, also from today’s WSJ:
“Americans perhaps take for granted that their internet hasn’t slowed during the pandemic, unlike in Europe where speeds and streaming quality have been reduced so networks don’t collapse. Credit America’s larger private business investment and lighter regulation. Europe regulates broadband like public utilities similar to the Obama-era net neutrality rule that Mr. Pai [chair of the FCC] rescinded. Americans working at home would be in a much worse position in this pandemic if the Obama rules were still in place.”
‘I don’t think she was a good fit at OSU.’ I’m glad GS said that. As much as I applaud OSU wbb and Scott Rueck, I sometimes think the nice girl, family sweetness is a bit much. Destiny seemed more independent.
I never said it at the time, but I was never blown away by Slocum’s play. I thought she seemed slightly out of sync in Rueck’s system, but made up for a lot of it on pure talent. Rueck sat her for stretches during games this season not sure if this is an ego thing with her? What’s the point in transferring again unless she’s going to Baylor or South Carolina?
She might not want a pro career. It’s not like they pay those girls much, most of them play overseas in the offseason. Maybe she’s going to actually get a graduate degree, anybody know what her major is?
She majored in Digital Communication Arts, was recently named one of 23 Beavs listed on the PAC12 Conference Winter Academic Honor Roll.
Interesting (or not) Ethan Thompson and two gymnasts shared the same major.
Another popular major for athletes this term was Human Development & Family Sciences……4 of the 23 had that as their major.
https://osubeavers.com/news/2020/3/30/general-oregon-state-places-22-student-athletes-on-pac-12-honor-roll.aspx
Watching cabin in the woods, thanks to you degenerates.
Haha! Enjoy!
Any good?
If you like gore it’s good.
Pretty weird but fun.
I can’t wait for Beaver sports to start up again. Way too many folks with tinfoil hats for my liking. Adios
See ya, but I’d just like to say that even though there are all types of opinions, some that seem nuts to me, I don’t think any less of anyone here.
Everyone has their own plight and upbringing and day to day events that shape their reality. We’re bored and discussing them. For me it ends there. For the most part the discussion here has been super civil with legit questions (for the most part…that Biden pedo thing is just stupid…)
I’d still like to hear a hardcore Republican explain to me how they’re going to pay for their parents’ medical care and housing should SS and Medicare get gutted, as Republicans have promised to do.
Medicare is not getting gutted. Ever. There is no path to it even being slightly reduced. Any politician can say whatever they want, it’s not changing.
SS? We are paying for our parents SS right now. The SSA is just a middle man between us and handing a check to our parents.
You and I should demand they end it now, allowing us a self governed savings plan with options on how it is invested similar to a 401k. Then they can write another stimulus check to the boomers for their remaining payouts. Remember we’re playing with monopoly money at this point anyway. And it would probably sting less the sooner we get it over with. If it stays in place I full expect to never see a dime of it.
We are paying for our parents SS right now
That doesn’t make sense. Payroll tax is 7.5%. Without paying that, you’re on the hook for 100% of parents’ care (and our own care one day as we age). I don’t understand why people don’t see that’s a good deal. I can see an argument if you want out you get cut a check, but then you can never come back. That’s a good option for people like you. But you will likely run out of money/healthcare in old age with just one bad day.
Why aren’t individual retirement plans good for everyone? Run it exactly like SS (taxing wise)but put it into your own account that’s untouchable til say your 60. Then tax that money if its withdrawn from 60 to 65. Once your 65 it’s not taxed.
We have hit the inverse of social security. I’ll pay more then I get in return, so will you. Nothing will stop that. Either they will tax us more (lost wages) or they will up the draw age (less return). We’re fucked either way.
sorry to see any one log off. I’m with you Angry, even if we disagree from time to time about stuff. The dialogue has been sharp, at times, but mostly civil. I like being able to share some perspective somewhere since I can’t go out for coffee with my buddies. This site is as therapeutic now for me as it was in the aftermath of another Riley head-scratcher.
Texas fired their women’s b ball coach, hopefully they go after graves
That would be awesome…..mike white v2.0. Now that Sabrina, Ruthy and satu are gone, ducks starting over and still have no championship…..throe aduch money as you can at graves and he’s proven that everyone had a price.
On another note, going golfing Wednesday and Thursday at Creekside and McNary. This quarantine is starting to get to me.
Wait a minute – you guys can golf in OR? That is a verboten activity up north here! No one is to have any fun whatsoever during this pandemic. In fact the DNR and Dept. of Wildlife have closed the beaches, wildlife viewing areas, boat ramps-no fishing whatsoever, camping or hiking. I understand the forest service has also closed all trail heads and campgrounds. In fact, in my city, they have put up a fence which encompasses picnic tables, a basketball hoop and an ALREADY fenced in tennis court! I am not sure what harm or risk there is being outdoors. I’m thinking that some of these state governors (Inslee, Brown, Newsome) are really taking it to the extreme – they want to give it to Trump good and hard!
Been out twice. I walk and carry at my advanced age, so it’s nice that all courses are discouraging cart riding. Some interesting variations of how the hole is protected (cup inch above ground, wide metal fixtures attached to the stick, foam inserts in the cup). So long you give everyone a wide berth, it’s doable. Of course, at the end of the round we pullout our camping chairs and have a few beers in the parking lot.
Yes, but there are new rules in place such as only one rider per cart, leaving the pin in the cup, raising the cup 1″ or so above the ground…(my buddy asked me why they’re raising the cup 1″ above the ground and it’s because the golf course doesn’t want you grabbing other peoples balls….out of the cup that is. The putt is considered in the hole if it hits the raised cup. Anyway, yes, we can still play in Oregon….
Dipshit. Ducks aren’t “starting over”. You remember Chavez, Shelley and Satou’s younger sister? You should. She is better than Satou. Good luck. You’re gonna need it again next year.
Oregon State University hiring its own police force.
https://www.klcc.org/post/oregon-state-trustees-vote-create-campus-police-force
“As long as it’s not our police force, they don’t report to us,” said Ray. “And so when we see a problem, we have very little ability to get people to function the way we expect them to function as part of our community.”
This is a very bad idea. UO’s police force has been riddled with corruption and sloppy work, allegations of being manipulated by and kowtowing to the athletic department. Say what you want about the state troopers, they have expertise and access to a much wider scope of law enforcement resources than an OSU police force will ever hope to have. And you never heard of OSP covering stuff up for the university or forcing the school to settle a huge harrassment claim like UO did a few years back. OSU will end up with those who get booted off of bigger forces for bad actions (see West Linn PD). I was hoping the new President would overturn Ray’s decision.
I am an agnostic on this issue, but the day Ray leaves can’t come soon enough.
Dan, you are the voice of reason on this.
A VERY BAD IDEA for the reasons you have listed.
I wonder what clues F.King Alexander’s past give us regarding his take on this. Major props to him if he has the cajones to, as the new guy in town, overturn this.
Will it matter, if everybody is taking online classes?
OSU Internet police?
Thought police?
CHS is going to online classes starting this week and all classes are pass/no pass.
Hey my daughter just committed to OSU honors college. She was so hell bent on not going to OSU she told Ed Ray to his face she didn’t want to go to the school she grew up with in her backyard. I didn’t think she was seriously considering it but came home and she had submitted all the ‘paperwork.’
I’ll be curious to see where they house and educate kids this fall.
Edit: Oops that was supposed to be a reply to NB
Where did the funding come from for this? How do they fit within existing jurisdictions and why can’t the university campus and populace fall within existing municipal, state, and federal law enforcement jurisdictions?!?
They pay OSP pretty good, i expect the new police force to be paid mall cop wages and act as much. OSU will pocket the difference. They’re creating a shit sandwich.
shit sandwich………..but oh so Ivory Tower!!
If you think the average PD is handcuffed by SJW’s and political correctness, you ain’t seen nothing yet (except as Dan said, at UofO!).
So talked to a local sheriff about this today. He said it’s the laugh of area. The academy is closed so they won’t be able to train for these jobs. Plus almost every dept in oregon is short on officers theirs really no pool of qualified applicants to work with. And it’s going to cost at minimum of double what they are paying the OSP because all they did was pay salaries, the administration portion was run through already existing channels, nothing was specifically for OSU.
He also said the OSP decided not to renew the contract which happened to be in negotiations right around Ray’s little crybaby episode. But that OSP told them they would work within the previous contract until OSU figured out what it was going to do.
You have no proof of anything you just posted. Please provide proof
So Trump maybe kinda sorta who knows wants to expand Medicare and Medicaid to the uninsured. Says it’s not fair that at a certain income level people have a big advantage. Claims Democrats haven’t addressed the issue. This is next level spin and hypocrisy.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-says-he-might-help-millions-of-uninsured-americans-2020-4
He’s trying to bait in the poor. I mean how transparent can you be that he says this a few months before the election as he’s losing his base to economic collapse? Next he will forgive student loans entirely.
Wasn’t biden and the dems screaming for trump to open enrollment in obama care just yesterday? What’s the difference?
http://www.vision-hr.com/news/obamacare-vs-medicaid-and-medicare/
I was going to chime in on this earlier, it was the Romney/Ryan/McCain/Bush wing of the party that was always wanting to cut Social Security and Medicare. In case you don’t remember, look up those old ads where Grandma is getting pushed off a cliff. One of Trump’s major divergences from conservative/libertarian orthodoxy in 2016 is when he said he wasn’t in favor of reforming “entitlements.” This explains his 2016 blue collar support in the “rust belt,” a population whose economic sustainability had been eviscerated by the WTO and Wall Street’s financialization of the off-shoring American industry. That dynamic was Romney’s bread and the well spring of the biggest portion of Hillary Clinton’s campaign support in 2016. And then you wonder how Trump gets elected?
I mean that’s an interesting take but his budget called for a trillion dollars cut from Medicaid, Medicare and ACA in February. I know presidential budgets have no practical purpose but they certainaly signal policy priorities.
Ofc he did tweet that he wouldn’t cut social society or Medicare hours before that was released.
Who wondered how Trump got elected?
What I wonder is how anyone would re-elect him.
touché. But don’t be surprised if he does, which in my view is a certainty if Biden doesn’t take Cuomo as VP
We know there are no certainties.
And if the mid-terms were the people speaking, he’s going to get destroyed. That was a huge “anyone but” movement led by moderates, dems, and republicans who care about the constitution. So yeah, even “senile pedo Joe” will destroy him if that sentiment sticks, and I don’t see it getting better, just worse, with moderates I know.
Still, I think he doesn’t leave office and uses Corona/bad economy to declare emergency and stay in. That’s my base case.
So you’re voting for Bernie? Senile Joe?
Yes.
Senile Joe? The dude’s way ahead of trump in the area of mental functioning. Trump can hardly read from notes now. His decline is going to really accelerate in the next few months.
These bread lines might get in the way of Trump getting to his golf course!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-04/the-recession-bread-lines-are-forming-in-mar-a-lago-s-shadow
But more seriously, you’re central bank in action. Expect more poverty. Some ‘great looking America’ right there. What is worse is the FED will use this crisis to print more money and channel it upward, making it even worse. As I tried to explain, this goes beyond Party and is all due to the FED counterfeiting currency that the rich touch before the poor.
I was thinking this morning that my Dad would have been lucky when he was a kid if Trump was in charge. Since our current “Wartime President” can’t make a single hard decision, my Dad would have been exempted from joining the Navy in WW II. He grew up in Iowa, and since the Governor won’t commit to a “wartime” status, he could have skipped the draft!
This is not close to wartime.
I think hes just referencing Trumps own branding. Time stamped
https://youtu.be/mVAhBfRDXec?t=43
nm
Imagine if it was with this guy in charge.
Would have called Pearl Harbor a hoax.
yep. like FDR was well prepared for that one.
Hang in there like Hiroo Onada.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/united-states-freezes-japanese-assets
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/c/carrier-locations.html
Forced Japan’s hand, had three carrier groups outside Pearl Harbor and galvanized the resolve of Americans. Unprepared or brilliant?
Ask the guys entombed in the Arizona.
I honor their sacrifice. Same as those soldiers that died protecting the secret enigma machine.
But Pearl Harbor/Fdr and trump/SARS-CoV2 is a false equivalence. Trump is a government deconstructionist. He dismantled the systems to protect Americans from this type of threat, but forgot to give biotech the green light to cover our asses.
The comments on this one are pretty amazing, just to see how split people are on this issue.
Governor Brown is sending a temporary allotment of 140 ventilators to New York, because currently Oregon is not using all of their ventilator surplus, and they think helping out another state that is heading toward peak capacity might help.
People are either applauding the gesture, or vehemently against it.
(Oregon is going to run out, or New York will never give them back, or Oregon is hoarding ventilators!)
I’m amazed how many people fall into the “fuck the other guy” category, especially at a time when there is capacity to help.
https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1246470458104524805?s=19
She’s doing a good job. I don’t care for her much, but her actions have definitely helped so far.
My wife and I were discussing that same opinion just yesterday.
What actions? She’s late to the game at every step!
Compared to who?
Whom. ;)
oh ffs lol
Been seeing alot of this from a segment of my friend group.
Early on, it was f this, we dont need to have a stay at home order for this thing. It barely even exists in Oregon.
Then a few weeks later, same friends are now saying…”she was too slow to make decisions to close things down”
I’m no Kate Brown fan, but I don’t see how she can receive criticism on both ends from the same people. She has mostly followed the lead of Insley in Washington. Makes sense, Washington got hit harder and earlier. She did convert the Salem fairgrounds pavilion into and emergency ICU facility, in case we exceed capacity. Didnt seem she was too late doing that.
Everyone…waited til covid-19 was spreading to shut down everything. She needs to be re-called asap!
Not necessarily true. We had some case and she incrementally shut down things instead of waiting til the last minute before our infections exploded then locking it up all at once. It was much easier to adjust for most folks. Some states have gonefulll panic mode and that helps nothing, you could argue it makes it worse.
And when I say a don’t care for brown. I mean I loathe her. It’s not easy to admit a positive. The facts will come out when we are done with this and it’s going to show no one on earth was ready except a few Asian countries. We should have had an idea especially after the swine flu ran its course, but it’s hard to trust foresight on things like this because every night the latest world ending ??? Is front and center on the news. Most people are desensitized to it.
^^^^Yes
I live in Idaho and Governor Little has done a good job IMO. However, he waited about ten days after Oregon issued their stay-at-home order before he made his. Now Idaho has more cases than Oregon, with a fraction of the population.
My family was in Oregon when the state of emergency was announced by Trump, wasn’t but a day later all of our friends in Oregon were cancelling social events, ours included. Idaho folks definitely have a more fuck you mentality, as it seemed like they took longer to take the whole thing seriously. I attribute it to the Trumpian mindset — the dude still can’t be an example and wear a face mask.
Damned if u do damned if u dont
The monday morning QBing is going to be epic once this virus has run its course.
There’s a lot of stuff out there about Oregon being less impacted than many states, but it seems that testing is the key and I don’t know where Oregon ranks. I hope it doesn’t bite the state in the ass if there is a surge in cases, but NY needs ventilators now.
On a side topic, it seems like many celebrities have the virus, is that because there were out in the public before the stricter orders were put in place?
We have done 17434 tests with 899 positives. I suspect we are under testing but it’s hard to get good data. I don’t know of a resource that shows how many tests each state has done but .4% of the population seems low.
Anecdotally, local physician tells me current tests they use in her clinic throw a 30% false negative. I didn’t push her but I did wonder how she arrived at that rate.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/02/nation/how-accurate-are-coronavirus-tests-doctors-raise-concern-about-false-negative-results/
It’s been making the rounds that the US test has as high as 30% false negative. The Chinese test and who have been reported as high as 50% by some sources.
Oregon is on the very late side of the curve.( Brown can afford to be generous and good for her that she did so.) Only SD, Wyoming and Hawaii come later. According to the Gates/UW site (which will do an update tonight) there are 4 tranches. NY, Michigan, NJ., Louisiana are peaking this next week.
Washington and Colorado (Angry), hit their peak the 3rd week of April. The biggest tranche, led by California and Alabama are the last week of the month. Texas, Florida, Oregon are in the last tranche to peak, the first week of May.
I think I read that different. Oregon being one of the last states to peak means the curve flattened so much it’s worst week is when states who enacted social distancing later in the process peak.
How high is Oregon’s peak vs the other states in the last tranche?
Oregon’s peak date is May 5th. It will need 1,114 beds (2,657 capacity) and 167 ICU beds (210 capacity), and 133 ventilators. The peak day for fatalities is May 2nd, with 11, a projected 558 by August 4th.
compare to Washington: peak hospitalization is April 11th (a week from now). It will need 2,342 beds (4907 capacity), 350 ICU beds (341 capacity) -9 there. 280 ventilators. Peak fatality, 22, on April 9th. Total fatality by August 4th 978.
Oregon is less impacted for a few reasons.
Didn’t have international flights from China and has few direct flights to Europe.
Only one large dense population center in the state. And a lower overall population helps too.
Brown did take measures early enough to ensure community transmission didn’t take off. The fact she can loan ventilators is proof Oregon won’t be overwhelmed in the near future.
I miss MLB, even with their stupid rule changes.
What do you think of the computer strike zone? Probably will be here for the 2021 season.
Certainly takes away from pitchers and catchers right away. Pitchers can’t earn strike calls for being consistent and catchers can’t steal strikes for framing. They’ll have to adjust somehow.
I like it. Home plate umps are really blind. There should be no rewards for framing or consistently throwing balls (Glavine). In many ways I’m a purist, but that always drove me nuts.
Here’s a test of purity.
In A ball and below they are testing a new rule whenever the season starts. Pitchers must step off the rubber for any pickoff attempt.
Left handed pitchers must disengage from the rubber to attempt pickoffs at first base. No more pettite moves. All pitchers must disengage from the rubber for pickoff attempts at second as well.
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/new-pickoff-rule-coming-to-minors-after-indy-ball-success-in-2019/
The idea stinks. ALL plate umps are really blind?
You ever put on the mask & called behind the plate? At HS level and above? Yes, officials miss balls/strikes, probably in
every game. That some sort of shock or something? The strike “zone” is not a monolithic rectangular area as people see
on televised games. It is a living, breathing 3 dimensional entity. Ask anyone who has called behind the plate. Does their
blindness also affect close plays at the plate, or does it only come into play with balls/strikes? Because plate umpires have to be in position to see the base, runner, fielder and the ball. Keep in mind that plate and field umpires rotate those positions all the
time. Besides, what fun is it to holler out “kill the strike/ball determinator unit!”
The old bastards behind home plate at Goss will still piss and moan at a robot on every pitch.
“Get your motherboard checked, blue!”
I like that one!