Link here.
What I don’t understand is if he really believes that a Rose Bowl is the “expectation”, or if he is playing lip service to the folks at angrybeavs? The evidence points to the latter, since he rewards Riley with a contract extension for any bowl. So how exactly is the Rose Bowl the expectation? Where is the evidence of that.
Also, he declines to talk about Robinson and says they should have made the NIT. Very interesting.
This article, overall, reeks of angrybeavs, from Canzano’s questions to BDC’s lip service. If BDC is willing to field those types of questions maybe I should shoot him an email and ask for an interview myself. And Canzano, when are you going to send me royalties?
Perhaps tomorrow’s meeting between BDC and CR will be to bring in new Xs and Os assistant(s). Probably not going to fire CR but new blood on the sidelines will help.
He needs a defensive minded assistant if they are going to make him add a coach. The X’s and O’s stuff is kind of a crap shoot anyway and the Beaver offense has been decent.
He could stand to axe a couple assistants, as they are all of limited background. Get a defense teacher and an X/O guy…… And if they are good, hell you have his replacement right there!
I agree with the content. But you have to look at Bobby D’s mentality as it was written in this article. This is the first time I’ve seen in print what I know of the dude. So we’re looking at a flip-side view for once. It’s actually more accurate than anything I’ve ever read about Bobby D.
But then, he’s the one who holds the power concerning his image and thought process. Does sunshine now make him suddenly brilliant… or at least conscious?
Why be forthcoming now? Why suddenly voice expectations now? Why set public goals now?
I’m getting tired of this crap. Maybe others are as well.
Some people may not realize that there are boosters for OSU. There are boosters who carry weight, have great patience and expect great things. When Coach Rob threw Bobby D under the bus with the “If I get fired,” comment, I knew what he was saying. It was still extremely unprofessional and deserving of public apology. If that doesn’t happen after tomorrow’s meeting, then I’m going on a year-long rant.
But anyway…
There are boosters we all know who sit in certain places in each sport for every game. It wasn’t that only 13… *cough*… hun… *cough*… dred… *cough*… people showed up for the CBI It was that certain seats were empty… or certain seats had disapproving frowns on faces.
The unprofessional comment had a root. It was probably a statement like, “If you see my seat empty, then you can worry for your job,” type statement. But that’s what we deal with in the real world.
| This is the first time I’ve seen in print what I know of the dude. So we’re looking at a flip-side view for once. It’s actually more accurate than anything I’ve ever read about Bobby D.
I agree.
| Why be forthcoming now? Why suddenly voice expectations now? Why set public goals now?
Fundraising.
He’s never raised funds before?
I would guess BDC is more worried about it now, with the basketball program self destructing.
One assumes so, but haven’t Pat Casey, Kelly Sullivan, and CR & Rueck done the most for their sports?
Rueck hasn’t had to do the heavy lifting for fundraising. That’s one of the points which differentiates his job from CR’s job. But yes, coaches are given the okay to find financing for necessary projects, and they then have to go out and get it, except for football. But even Riley participates in the rote meet and greets necessary for that. It’s just that his projects are prioritized by the AD rather than the program itself. That’s where we discover Bobby D isn’t a visionary. He may see the importance of such projects and see the vision itself. But he’s not going to extend risk beyond funds in place, making our whole AD a piecemeal organization.
Btw, we were joking about Rueck getting an extension on another thread. Well, when both hoops teams won 20+ in 2011-12, both coaches got an extension at that time. CR got one through 2017. Rueck got one through 2018.
And I notice that nothing has been done about Liskevych and Simmons thus far. Both hit their high-water marks several years ago, and their programs have only regressed since then. Volleyball has been especially bad concerning some of the things going on there. One can assume from the lack of action there Bobby D isn’t one to pay attention to the details.
Btw… I got an email last week from a friend who works at ESPN. He said that Cowherd went on a rant about tourney selection related to non-con scheduling… and screwing season ticket holders at the same time… that sounded verbatim to the arguments I made last summer…. right down to calling out Kentucky’s schedule and then calling UKMC a shipping company.
I think this blog is being read.
Cowherd is whiskey soaked napkins. Busted.
If I were truly Colon Cowturd I would have drown myself in the bathtub already. Guy is a complete fucking choad
Don’t flatter yourself Jack. You’re an idiot, and have no friends at ESPN.
Of all the people I know and correspond with, you think I’m flattered to know someone who works at a television network?
You have a strange thought process Daffy.
What if I told you I also know someone who works at a library? Would you be so envious of me then? Ooh! Ooh! What if I told you I knew someone who worked with computers?
Kristick,
Who the hell are you to question OSU’s second greatest alumni! How dare you call him an idiot! I am confident that Jack has tens of friends, including some non-family members, and even a few with jobs. As the young kids sometimes say, “Step Off”!
LP
Thanks for the help pettibonehead.
Jack,
You must be mistaken (I know this is rare). I am not Pettibonehead. But I do have your back. Great minds like ours must stick up for each other!
LP
P.S. Remember to take your Vitamin C.
Oh boner…
You posted as both one day and forgot to change the email address.
Are you calling yourself a liar?
Sorry Jack–
You are wrong. Why are you being mean to your only ally on this site? Are you getting enough sleep? Sometimes you have to rest that great brain my friend. Are you taking your Vitamin C?
LP
I’m not wrong boner.
It’s still there for all to see.
You are wrong.
Nope.
Things are getting interesting now.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize
Man, that is really interesting. A turning point? What can the NCAA do?
I wonder if they could bargain to be able to play for six, seven, 10 years. I mean, if they are
employees, why not?
They can bargain for anything. But it’s up to whoever they bargain with to accept or deny such a stipulation.
This decision only applies to private schools. Public schools are subject to state laws for collective bargaining. And that might kill college football in some of the places where it’s strongest now. Can you imagine the collective bargaining rights in Alabama, Texas and Florida being better for employees than in Oregon, Washington and California?
But the interesting part will be if public school players can use this as precedent for establishing themselves as employees at all. I agree that they are, and the decision for Northwestern was very well explained.
And the can of worms the players have opened hasn’t really been addressed yet. If the federal government identifies them as employees, then all their compensation (tuition, books, fees, healthcare and room and board) becomes taxable, not just some proposed stipend.
RIP Ncaa
NCAA will find a way to crush this. They’ve made athleticism a slave trade this long you have to assume they will have the funds and the legal presence to crush this.
I don’t see it. I can see them winning the licensing/tv rights lawsuit and anything regarding past payments due retroactively since players essentially signed away their rights when signing NLIs. But this is a matter of employment rights going forward, a matter of future players being able to dictate some of the terms when they do sign NLIs, or whatever contract they sign in the future. The NCAA is arguing from an extremely weak position on this one.
I’m not a Leech guy but this is a pretty good response IMO:
“If these guys are professionals and they want everything to be like it is in the NFL, that means that shortly we’re going to be having a draft and I for one would be pretty excited about having a whole nation full of quality athletes to draft from. So I’m looking forward to that … That means if somebody doesn’t perform well, you pay them less. If somebody performs real well, you pay them more. Although obviously every team should have the same salary cap. In addition to that, you have the opportunity to draft anybody you want. And maybe I’m wrong, but it follows if we’re going to professionalize this kind of stuff. It follows that you handle it like professionals do.”
My thoughts precisely.
If the NCAA wants to keep itself alive, then this portends the advent of Division 4 and a split-away of the big five plus a couple indies. And if that group wants to isolate their employees and gain protection from anti-trust and state collective bargaining laws, then they need to formulate a CBA and an egalitarian form of talent dispersal.
And a salary cap would make it necessary to do away with the student-athlete. This would essentially form a minor league of owner-schools. With tuition et al included as a part of compensation, who is going to match the $100k per year value of attending Stanford? Is the new salary cap going to be $8.5m per year? If it is, will it be fair to ask players at Stanford to take their $100k value in lieu of cash when someone at OSU can go to school and get another $60k in cash… more if the player is in-state?
Will Division 4 still be under the purview of the NCAA? If not, will hoops go the same way? It’s harder with hoops since the tourney has been the property of the NCAA itself since 1940.
Yes, duckies, you did not win an actual NCAA championship in 1939. It was a second-rate, unsanctioned tourney for teams who couldn’t make it to the NIT. Essentially, it was the CBI… only unsanctioned. I digress.
The whole bullshit bowl system will be turned on its ear as well. This could be a really fun process to watch.
I missed this part… public school players wouldn’t be able to join a CBA of some conglomerate of schools unless they formulated break-away businesses for each team, making them private employers. Otherwise, they would be public employees.
So… is this going to affect only football, since that is the only sport that in most cases is profitable? And if so, there will still be an NCAA, for the womens’s sports and men’s non-profit sports? Or will a legal decision regarding football, carry with it all the other sports?
I think this is the question.
I think hoops may see the same treatment due to its profitability. But I think the argument is that those are profitable businesses, and the players are given compensation solely due to their talents and continued participation in their respective sports.
It can be argued that players in other non-profit sports are actually volunteers, thus making their compensations of full cost of attendance a gift to them as students. And many football programs still fail to profit despite increasing tv revenues, though the big five plus a couple indies do make clear profits… due to business dealings. And that’s just football. Most schools in the NCAA would save millions if they were to jettison football. UNO is the first to come to mind, and that was a couple years ago. With the recent contracts for the big five, it’s become somewhat profitable for some schools to actually add football and play the cupcake for one or more of the schools flush with cash.
The truth is that Buzz Bissinger is probably correct in that schools will need to separate football from the rest of their AD and receive licensing rights for the new private entity to use facilities and the schools’ identities which are the resulting draw of the fans to the stands. Hoops may have to do the same. But where is the cut-off in a field of 350 versus the 120 in football?
I think a lot of the big five haven’t looked at the bright side. Title IX compliance will get a lot easier if it plays out as a private enterprise in the future.
Fans of competitive cheer may not like these new developments though.
Thanks for those posts. This is going to be really interesting.
The “if I get fired” comment was so unpolitically correct that I found it to be refreshing and candid. There is way too much image management, brand/turf protection and nepotistic paternalism in the world of money sports.
Really? I thought it was unneccesarily smug. He has been with us for six years now. He knows the fanbase, knows what he can get away with, and knows that we can’t afford to toss him….so his statement reeks of arrogance.
I agree.
For someone so thoughtful and well spoken, to divert unnecessary attention to your boss with some flippant remark leans toward arrogance. At the very least, it was highly unprofessional and a moment of extreme emotion. Either way, and apology is necessary. And if it’s explained as emotion I can accept that reason for a one-time offense.
Meh!
Forgot to change my name after playing with numbnuts above.
Sorry.
Numnuts! Huh?
My contributions to science and medicine are unparallelled. I have a Thanks to me the depths of the universe are understood. What have you done for this world Jack? Perhaps if you spent some of your talents trying to make a difference, this world would be a better place. Instead, you choose to spend all your waking hours spouting off on this forum to a group of people who think you are an arrogant blow-hard. Please change your path Jack. Someday you will want to look back and know you made a difference. On your current path all you will leave behind is a bunch of arrogant pontifications on a sports blog that was read by about 16 people! Defending you to these idiots is becoming tiresome. I think there is still time for you to make a difference! Like me you could be a true American and OSU legend.
LP
Come on boner,
It’s all in good fun. It’s not like this is some political forum where there are trolls who have the ability to track down specific ip addresses and stalk us with personal knowledge. It’s just a sports blog.
But I think you’d be surprised at how many unique hits it does get per month. 16 may be a high number for you to count to, but it’s quite low for the stat you wanted to push. And those stats don’t include dual personalities such as yourself.
Jack-
Don’t flatter yourself. First, I can assure you that with my background in molecular physics I understand numbers at a much higher level than you ever will. Very few people out there read your useless opinions on sports, culture or politics. Most readers skip your lengthy diatribes altogether. Often the only comments on your posts come from you, the author, which make it appear as if you are having a conversation with yourself. Those who do read your posts think you are an arrogant blow-hard. I just wish you had selected a better use for that great mind of yours. Perhaps you could take an MCAT, go to medical school, and then apply your talents towards curing disease. Defending you is becoming tiresome. I suggest that you be nicer to the people that you are trying to impress and perhaps a bit more respectful to those who try to defend you.
LP
“Don’t flatter yourself.”
Hmmm… where have I heard those exact same words recently?
I would never suspect a dual-persona lying troll of being a third troll. That would be just weird.
It would also explain why three-plus trolls are monotone. But just being a Duck would explain the droll groupthink splayed on paper (that’s not a literal term duckies… don’t pull out your white-out).
I happen to think there are at least six of you… sharing the three handles… and half a brain.
Beliver can see four of you right now… well… when he’s at work.
Hey KristickBonerPauling,
You should have left it with it just being a sports blog. Now you just look like a desperate whiner of a weenie.
I thought we were good, and you so proved what good is. The three of you should just relax for a bit then get back to us with some real stuff. I look forward to hearing from you and/or you all… whichever one or two or so wants to respond next.
And… I just read beyond your first sentence.
Irony aside… you sure do assume what everyone else thinks… a lot. Is it satisfying telling everyone else what they think? It certainly can’t be as arrogant as me just blowing hard.
Can it?
And if you had ever studied math you would know that there is no “higher” level. There is more depth to be had, but it might take a while to explain that to you in only two dimensions.
Take a vacation LinusBonerKristick. My opinion is that you kinda need one.
LP
JB
KW
WTF
Is it too much to get a troll who knows what flatter means… let alone the corrupted use repeated above?
Can a brother get some jussive?
How many screen names do you have?
That’s the point. I have one gravatar. I have only ever had one. And I created it to differentiate myself from Jeff Perry and his really really vile trolling. Once he started trolling with my name and posting the lewd shit he did, I had to find a way to make my posts my own.
But then I suppose you know this since you posted under your old name with your same gravatar.
Duh! I just caught that.
An expectation of winning the conference and getting to a Rose Bowl…… lol. That has to be a statement designed to appease boosters and help fund raising. It should always be the aim. Sure, its less likely to happen at OSU but should happen once in a while.
You dont lose to an E Washington if you are aiming at a Rose Bowl. We did come close to a title a couple times, but Riley since then has really seemed like he aims at just getting to a bowl game…..and maybe that’s reasonable, considering he gets an extension for that.
But basketball is the big problem right now. Gonna be interesting to see what results from BDC’s meeting with CR.
The choicest line in that story is when Canzano implies that Riley will swallow hard when he sees the Rose Bowl expectation in print. No doubt it is true, and in a way, it’s a simple restatement of reality. Almost all of the meaningful facilities improvements in the forecast are dependent upon a year 2000-like on field performance by the football team. In sum, I don’t think this is eye-wash to placate AB nation and its allies. And here’s the best part: when, inevitably, Riley stumbles (God forbid it’s in the opener against Portland State) this “line in the sand” is on the record giving any forthright reporter an immediate line of inquiry directed toward Riley about how he’s matching up. At that point the pressure will truly be “on.”
“No way does a former investment banker walk away from $4 million in guaranteed cash.”
That’s the key line concerning CR. Remember last week when CR was talking about players going into the NBA draft he said that if there was guaranteed money they should take it.
I too like Gill, when full there’s nothing better.
This article is a big old yawn because it’s all bullshit.
BDC does NOT care about the fans one iota. Every time I ever bumped into the man as a student he was a smug, rude asshole. I wish nothing but the worse for him professionally from this point on (not personally, because that’s just stepping over the line) but it doesn’t matter. Like Langsdorf got immunity from his magical kidney, BDC will find protection from his Parkinsons, Craig gets the Obama bump, and Riley just coaches for a fanbase that apologizes for his failings as much as an abused wife in a domestic abuse case.
It seems everyone just needs to bunker down and realize that loving Oregon State is a punishment and we will eventually after a decade or 28 seasons get a carrot. Which means it will happen twice/ three times in our lifetimes.
I will continue to watch because apparently I’m drawn to trainwrecks though, and I’ll be happy to share in the misery with the fine people of Angry Beavs.
Not too surprising to learn of your experience as a student with BDC. I served under a Colonel who was tapped to lead the ROTC at OSU years ago; his wife once told me that the social snobbishness and caste system of academia made that of the US Army pale in comparison.
You’d think a fund raiser would be more careful no matter who he was dealing with. Guess he is, at least partly, a product of his environment.
There were expectations for this year’s MBB – especially after the Maryland victory. Not knowing the results of today’s meeting between CR and BDC – I think if CR remains the head coach, there will be no expectations for the 2014-2015 team and that fan involvement will be close to zero as in 1,000 people at a game routinely.
Yep….. so CR needs to show his character, suck it up, and show us something more. Maybe he can.
Jack is on fire today!! So many posts and an argument with a dead guy. Fucking hilarious. I love this site. Go Beavs.
PS: Bobby D has got to go!
I have yet to be in an argument with anyone today. And the dead guy is just pining for the fjords.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
Why don’t you just ignore the guy? He will probably leave you alone. That is what I ask my kids when one of them is annoying the other. It usually works.
He won’t ever leave me alone. I’m what he lives for. He secretly loves me in that weird secret loving way. It’s what trolls do. Some just want attention. Some just want to attend.
Besides, it takes ten seconds to turn his words on him. It’s virtual fun.
Teaching moment: Now would be the correct time for that “don’t flatter yourself” crap.
… and there’s nothing going on. It’s easy to pick on the low-hanging fruit.
I’m just an observer here but it appears, at least to me, that he is getting a rise out of you and that by responding you are playing in and encouraging him. I have to tell you Jack, I honestly think he is getting the better of you. He seems pretty smart and funny. It is a bit entertaining but I feel a bit sorry for you. I think he is having fun at your expense and you are playing into his game. I would ignore him since he seems to see you as the low-hanging fruit since you engage him. Just my honest opinion. Have a good night.
LOL … dont agree. Yeah, Jack is wasting effort in talking to the weak minded, but getting the short end? Dont think so. Jack’s only worry might be that there is in fact a God, and thus a concentric ring of hell that waits for those who flog the lesser intellects.
I agree the practice is just idle amusement. I really don’t care if he gets the better of the wordplay one day and I do the next. It’s not like it’s personal or anything. It’s just one big Yo Mama joke.
Fair warning… it’s Canzano and there’s nothing of interest really written here. Sorry for being redundant there.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2014/03/canzano_oregon_state_meets_wit.html
I’m just looking for a public apology to OSU and OSU fans and boosters. That “If I get fired” retort really bugs me. Dude’s gotta man up and own it, or it’s going to be used as a punch line for the remainder of his tenure.
Well hot damn!
http://collegebasketball.ap.org/seacoastonline/article/illini-still-focused-groce-deal-not-done
Other than Olive, that’s the only piece I can find that mentions CR. It won’t happen, and not just because it looks like they’re going a different direction right now. But I think this is a more sustainable tack for CR’s career. It puts him in his familiar recruiting area trying to draw kids to a place half of them already want to go. That’s where someone who doesn’t want to play the recruiting games needs to be.
Btw… this isn’t saying Groce will be fired. It’s just an example of what CR could do besides resigning/being fired/becoming the Princeton AD. I’m surprised Purnell was kept at DePaul. That would have been a good spot. Even if CR got that program back to mediocre, he would be hailed as a savior.