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Let’s get the negatives out of the way in one sentence: there weren’t any, really. The missed tackles, the big plays–those are a product of playing strong and fast opponents. The Ducks gave up big plays to us as well and they missed tackles.

For the record: Riley going on 4th and 15 was the right call. You have to be up by 2 scores at the end of the game to beat the Ducks, because you know they’ll drive it down for at least one. It’s not Mark Banker or Keaton Kristick who can’t stop the spread, it’s every team and player in the Pac-10 (and most likely the nation). Let’s admit and accept this.

The Beavers played their A game tonight. It just wasn’t enough. The most upsetting thing about this game is a theme I see not only in sports, but across this nation: the bad guys always win. Why does the bad guy always win? I asked my lady Beav this philosophical question during the game. She said, “the good teams have integrity and honor. the bad teams don’t have that but they have a will to get what they want anyway they can.” Astute point, and it reminds me why I adore the girl. I feel bad for Yankee fans, Duck fans, Florida fans, Red Sox fans, and everyone who buys their glory. Just as bad are those who weasel their way to glory with dirty recruiting, reinstating LeGarrette Blount, etc. Sour grapes? More like a budding frustration with moral infrastructure in this country.

This might be the only time in my life I witness a game with these stakes, a sad reality, but I’d rather “suffer” through these near misses done the right way than the alternative. I just wouldn’t be able to enjoy the latter. But that’s me. It seems most people can. Whom I feel worse for in all this is Mike Riley. The guy is the hometown, homegrown hero who’s been on the brink of the Rose Bowl twice now. It’s ironic, isn’t it, how success can augment failure? There was a time when Riley would be ecstatic with consolation prizes, but tonight we saw, through his countenance and near-tears, how much (emotion) he has invested in this.  Another interesting point is that my girlfriend feels terrible for me, I feel terrible for Mike Riley, Mike Riley feels most terrible for his players. The hurt is deflected off self and put onto others whom you admire. Care becomes circular like that when people do things the right way.

The Beavers played a fantastic game tonight. If that team is representing your school you raise your head high. You take solace in winning the intangible battles tonight. On the field, you try to get better. This is a sad night, but one that demands reflection, at least from those on the right side of the fight but the wrong side of the ball.

51 COMMENTS

    • Speaking of bowls…if USC loses I don’t know how the Holiday Bowl takes Arizona over the Beavers.

      Oh yeah, that integrity issue I just mentioned…

      If they had a heart they’d give the Beavers the 2nd place bowl that they earned (assuming USC loses).

      • Half of Arizona lives in San Diego part time. Their called Zonies and I’m sure there’d be a huge crowd for UA, just as I’ve seen show up for ASU vs. San Diego State. That’s what I think, so they keep the locals happy maybe…

        I also just think the Beavers aren’t good enough. I wish I could see this being a common dilemma, playing the CW for the rights to the Rose Bowl, but having to milk every single last drop out of those 3,2 and Walk On’s every year is admirable, but so very difficult that you get a few chances in…well, 60 some years and you better capitalize. They haven’t. Not when you have NFL facilities and $$ down the road 45 minutes.

        Even when they were 10-1, it wasn’t enough, they finished 2nd. They did get the lone BCS bowl I’ve seen in my lifetime, and may ever see, but they still weren’t the Pac 10 Champ. UW was. We missed a field goal. Chance of a Century gone.

        I’d love to be wrong, but faith and good vibes won’t get the Beavers there. I guess it’s better than wishing they’d shut down their program or just join the WAC, like I used to think about a decade ago…

        • Yeah, after second though, Arizona did beat OSU at Reser, and they took Oregon to OT, so I suppose they deserve the Holiday Bowl. They’ll likely play Oklahoma State, yeah? I don’t have much faith they’ll win that game.

          I’m actually having second thoughts about rooting for the Ducks vs tOSU, also. I want to out of conference loyalty and prestige, but then they’ll be in the top 5 to start the year in 2010.

          • Some are saying that Nebraska may be in the Holiday Bowl from the B12. Okie State may be in the Cotton Bowl. If USC beats UA, it could be NU/USC. NU travels really well, and USC will have the entire So Cal region.

  1. The greater resources at Oregon’s disposal does not the school morally inferior to Oregon State. I understand that it is necessary for you to think this in order to rationalize the loss, but, regardless, it is a silly way to view things.

    Also, it bothers me that you’re using the BLOUNT SAGA as a tool to try to invalidate the Duck’s victory. It is a complicated issue, and it is ridiculous of you dumb it down in some bizarre attempt to make the Beaver’s loss easier to stomach.

    • You can dislike whatever you want.

      The Beaver loss is easy to stomach because it’s a football game. Of course there’s a post-game let down when the euphoria of the game wears off. So I wrote about it.

      As far as Blount, it’s not a complicated issue. Nobody can punch other human beings while at their job. That Chip Kelly reinstated him shows that Chip Kelly cares about Chip Kelly and glory at the price of any concept of right and wrong. Good luck arguing that. Let me guess, “second chances” and how everyone deserves them? Worst slippery slope argument.

    • And booboo, you’re right, there’s a little sour grape in me. But I drank a lot of wine during that game, so give me a break, okay?

      I do think the better team won. I just don’t agree with how Oregon gets their better players, ya follow? Also, I’ll be rooting for the guys from the Casanova Center donning their “goddess of victory” gear when they suit up against Ohio State. lol

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    Blount is an idiot and everyone north south east and west of Eugene knows that. He has to live with that the rest of his life. It’s unfortunate he got the TD tonight, else he did little of significance in this game. James is a much better back, that is obvious, and the Ducks in another ironic stroke of dumb luck found this out this year. As much as I hate to say it, the Zeros are a good team, Beavs did play well overall but could have won it if the stars would have aligned right for them. But one could believe the Zeros were the team of destiny this year, even though AB is right – the team with class and integrity didn’t win tonight. It will be tough to go against the Pac10 in the Rose Bowl, but I’ll have to cheer for the other OSU this year…although the Zeros played a much tougher game tonight than they’ll have against Ohio SU.

  3. I feel bad for Riley. You could tell he took this one very hard. When the Ducks converted that final fourth down play, the camera cut to Riley and he was throwing up his hands and it looked like it was directed towards the field and someone who may have screwed up an assignment. I’ve never seen Riley do that before. Who knows how often the opportunity is going to come around again. He wants so bad to take the Beavs to that next level.

    Personally, I lived through the 28 years and I’m just happy as hell every time the Beavs become bowl eligible. I think playing against BYU in the Vegas Bowl could be an excellent match up and challenge. Plus I lived in Utah for 12 years and hate the “Y”. The Civil War’s got nothin’ on the “Holy War” and that sucked for me this year also!

    Go Beavs

    • Hey mckalk; I used to live in Utah and worked at UofU while my sons attended that university. Yes, the State went wild for the Y while the U quitely kicked their butt in round ball and football several years in a row.

      Just like Duck parifinalia (sp?) you could find anything you wanted that represented the Y in Utah but had to go to the University bookstore to find a Uof U sweat shirt.

      No one has mentioned the total inbalance in penalties called in the Beaver/Duck game. Holding and pass interference was ignored to a large degree and the offensive pass interference on James was rediculous. James was totally interferred with on that crucial down toward the end as well. I’m not saying they could have won; just that I do believe that ref’s nation-wide allow the crowd to interfere with their calls at times, and this was one of them.

      I still think Canfiled comes up short of grit to a degree. Great passer but never looks off a receiver, pumps left goes right, fakes a handoff or any of those things you sometimes need to do to change the defenses pace. AND, taking a slide 15 yards from a tackler toward the end of a game when your team is desperate for something is a bit lacking.

      Sorry,,, the truth hurts I know,,, but it has to be said.

  4. Angry,

    What about OSU kicking 3 field goals and being shut out in the 4th quarter? If we would have scored a td instead of 1 field goal and stopped the duck defense, it would have gone into overtime…but wishful thinking.

    On another note, I agree with you on the notion that when Arizona beats USC that OSU should be picked for the Holiday Bowl, but its more likely that we will be screwed again.

  5. Hey I went to OSU in the 80’s when a three win season was exciting. I’m proud of these guys, they’ve played great all year and that was a great game tonight.

    Here’s to whatever bowl we get and try again next year!

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    This was a great game, and could have gone either way. I am excited for the prospects next year, and look forward to finally claiming a Civil War victory after this now two year drought. I think the Beavers defense played better than I expected. Our offense struggled on a couple of key drives and were brilliant on others. A sign of a young team. I see this as a building year, especially liking the progress on the offensive line. If we can find a quarterback, I think this team wins the PAC-10.

  7. Tough loss there angry beaver, too bad the game wasn’t over til past midnight, so some of us east coasters couldn’t watch the end….um. i gotta say that you really lost me on that buying a championship thing in college football. I mean I understand the difference between florida and harvard, but not any 2 BCS schools. Sure, oregon gets all the knight money, but no way does that justify buying anything. if that were the case, oklahoma state and oregon would be playing in the Knight/Pickens National championship game every year….UGA has way more money then georgia tech, but they are also a bigger school with more alumni, so they get more money. is that buying wins?? no. boone pickens at osu dwarfs what phil knight gives and when was the last time that they won? and outside of oregon, the ducks are not that relevant nationally especially in the national title hunt. my school is no different!! sorry buddy, just can’t agree with you on this one! that is just how college works, some schools are bigger, some have richer alumni.

    and who the hell thinks that oregon is the bad guys and osu is the good guys!!! didn’t gary payton go to osu?? he was all kinds of jerk, haha.. blount is just one guy out of 100 associated with that game.

    that bad people always win thing is something i hope you are rethinking that this morning. in the wake of a loss you can feel that way, but that is a depressing/ feeling sorry for yourself and very unrealistic thing to say.
    the yankees are bad? why, because you don’t like them? UNC basketball last year? I hate Tyler Hansborough, but bad guy, no! I could go on and on and on. agree to disagree?

    • Old man,

      I don’t retract the “buying” comment because it’s a variable. But I’ll clear it up:

      Money buys facilities, and facilities land impressionable high school recruits. Oregon can get a higher caliber of athlete because they put hundreds of millions of dollars into facilities. Yes, it takes hard work, too. Facilities greatly increase the odds of high-end talent coming to your school. Look at Oregon in the pre-Knight donation era and the post. Look at Oklahoma State before the Boone Pickens donations. Money does buys some glory.

      Anything I said above that should be retracted and was likely out of frustration, depression, and being close but not good enough to make a Rose Bowl for a 2nd straight year. I’m not going to take a Machiavellian stance, though, and say the end justifies the means. If the Ducks had gotten to this point on a level playing field I’d be really impressed. As it stands, I am still impressed, but also frustrated.

  8. Oregon shut down Jacquizz and the Beaver running game overall. Three first half field goals, some or all of which should’ve been TDs. Those are where this game was lost.

  9. In some ways this has been a strange season. The offense was amazing. When you think about how few turnovers they had, I’m thankful for 8-4. A “normal” amount of turnovers and you’re looking at 6-6 or god forbid 5-7. The defense was really not very good and I don’t think they improved throughout the year. They did not create many turnovers, could not get a stop in the close games, could not stop opponents in the red zone. When you consider that the Beavs scored 32,36 and 33 in their conference losses and still lost, with a better D this could have been an elite season. I’m leery of next year if the defense does not improve, turnovers are so crucial to the outcomes and I don’t know how you repeat this years mind blowing performance ball security performance by the offense.

  10. I think the officiating was solid this game. I do want to gripe about the NON pass interference call on James Rogers in the second quarter in the red zone. Even the announcers noted the hug put on James. Not horrible, but my beef is that this specific call is ALWAYS called on us. We had to settle for a filed goal on that drive and would have had a first down at the five. Again, my anger here is that the call is ALWAYS called on us. Great game though. Oregon is a fantastic team but we played right with them the entire game. I am so glad to be an alumnus and fan of this team. Hold your heads high guys.

    • Yeap; the grab around the waist was so obvious people in the Corvallis nursing home down the block were so loud I had to close a window so I could hear the announcers do a “daaa” and then move on.

      The offensive pass interference called on James was a joke as well. Two people collide while someones in a pass route and its the defend that gets called for interference. I also noted the zeros crying to the ref’s every other play.

      Might not have won the game,,, but would have made it easier to digest.

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    So many good things to say about this season… and too many mistakes last night. A couple dropped passes and a couple penalties in key areas… they were our fault. We were the better team, but they had four or five players who wanted it more. Their o-line was praised by the commentators, but I had to shrug my shoulders at that one since second–third, fourth, fifth–efforts were necessary for Masoli, James and Blount to make almost every play not a loss.

    Our defense played well, but when Bubba went out was when Masoli suddenly found freedom. I felt bad for Mitchell when he was pumped by Masoli on fourth down. Afavalava would have driven him back. But Mitchell’s young, and won’t make that mistake again. I still worry about our DE’s though. If they would have just wrapped up a couple times the game could have been much different. From all accounts, we’re recruiting great players at the DT and LB positions, but DE is needed. Since it’s hard to get that glory position nationwide, that’s where money helps a program.

    Remember that UO and many other top football programs have established ‘majors’ for football players based on the nature of their donations. At UO, it’s what we call the Footlocker Managerial Training Program… or Sports Marketing. That half their team can’t graduate with this high school level curriculum is somewhat disturbing. That most Duck fans don’t care is more disturbing. Since OSU is skeptical of football as a way of earning respect as an institution, the easiest we can offer is our Health and Human Exercise majors. But that’s not an easy major since our Kinesiology program is one of the top schools in the nation. In fact, OSU has a love/hate relationship with all sports not basketball, and even basketball has suffered due to this attitude. I personally would like to see us bring back track and field. Many of you may not know this, but we were the power in that sport before we dropped the program altogether in the late 60’s. UO was our main rival, but Bowerman was always frustrated by our teams. He was more frustrated in a competition sense when we dropped the program, but his success in the 70’s may have alleviated that disappointment.

    With us in his backyard, Phil Knight would be all over sponsoring a track and field team. Just because the bulk of his money goes to UO first, then Stanford second, doesn’t mean he doesn’t give a little to us as well. He’s all too aware that spectacles like last night’s game only bring his primary love more glory. So a weak OSU program is to his team’s detriment.

    To say that OSU’s facilities are second rate is incorrect. We have very nice facilities which would make some top flight schools happy. We just don’t have the advertising or means to make recruits aware of these facilities–or the planned extensions to these facilities. Our coaches can’t hop on the old private jet and whisk off to someone’s living room for a day and still be home for dinner. The waterfall in the locker room and the plasma TV’s in each locker are a little obscene to me, and if that’s what sways a recruit, I don’t know if I want to know that person.

    My brother asked me last year when we were going to get ‘that’ QB. Moevao is a great leader who can make plays, but he’s not ‘that’ guy. Canfield showed this year that he could be, but I think he still has to develop a little. I think what he was asking was when are we going to get a 6’5″ Jonathan Smith? Who knows? Maybe Lalich or Katz can be that guy. Lalich was certainly touted as one out of high school. But there are so many other factors that go into a QB being great–see Smith sans Johnson and Housh. I honestly think that we have many QB’s–incoming as well–with a ton of talent, and I’m not too worried.

    One thing last night’s loss does for us is that our coaches will likely stay put… for better or worse… mostly better I think.

    Now it’s on to see how we can fill out the 2010 recruiting class and beyond. I sent my wish list to Santa, and we’ll see how he comes through. We get to go to another bowl game, and we’ll end up in the top 25 for the fourth year in a row–given we win our bowl. But with the Rose Bowl being our goal every year–now–I will say the words which make me out to be a true Beavs fan….

    Just wait until next year.

    • OSU’s facilities are very nice, and gotten much nicer recently. Hopefully they continue. But come on out for the Beavers vs. Huskers Basketball game Dec. 12th and tour Memorial Stadium and it’s surrounding bevy of complexes…you’ll see a big difference I think, and see what most of us mean here. It’s not the be all end all. I can’t Imagine Boise State having much better than the Beavs…

      That brings me to anthor theory. Putting the charm and picturesque quality of Corvallis aside, I often wonder if OSU had been served better if the school wasn’t in Salem or something like that. It’s hard to fill a 45K stadium if you could almost literally put anyone of age in the seats that live in the town and still not have enough. Sure people drive in, but just having a bigger base would, in my estimation, make it easier. Eugene has that. Lincoln has that (250+). Even Lubbock Texas (200k+) has that. Yes, people from Omaha drive in hoards to Lincoln, but they almost wouldn’t need too.

      Yes, San Diego State sucks every year, and San Diego and San Diego County is huge. But they just don’t give a shit, as a whole, about sports enough to make a difference (too many transplants).

      Just a though.

      • I was in Lincoln in the early 90’s when the Beavs went to… *ahem*… play there. It’s a fine stadium, and I’ve seen the press box additions and very recent facilities upgrades through pictures and video only. So I can’t really get a great feel for it. But I imagine that’s where we’re headed in the next ten to fifteen years.

        The economy hasn’t helped much, and our state has been punished for not complying with the stupids who made the economy what it is. That’s the biggest factor for non-sellouts. The season ticket base just hasn’t grown with the stadium… yet. We have 2.5 million people within a couple hours drive, and most are either Beavs or Ducks fans.

        Btw… I watched Texas Tech thump Oklahoma at home, and their stands were emptier than ours by percentage. I only noticed it because of our own inability to fill the same nosebleed seats. I think everyone is suffering from pinched wallets.

        • Just seems the Ducks have filled their 60k or so pretty consistently. Memorial Stadium has sold out for over 300 games (Kennedy was President). Tech…maybe not filling the stands, but I’d guess with a town that size the school’s pretty big…plus, you have such a large recruiting base in Texas, the horns can’t get them all. Appearantly so many kids to choose from that none of these schools thought Quizz wasn’t worth the risk…or LaMichael James…how good would he be behind a Texas Longhorn Offensive line? Anyway…

          Still would be a plus to have a base I think. People that could be walk ups because they are last minute. The base or size of the town is only a variable that could help for the Beavs, but never will actually be able to. The real thing is the support all the way around. Not sure it’s there. Boise is filling that place I’m pretty sure.

          So how, other than actually getting to the Rose Bowl or another decade of overflated wealth on paper can we get these Beaver fans to show. (maybe not charging $60 or whatever it was for the nose bleeds…I thought I read that somewhere as the going rate?)

          I hope they can find the answer because these kids and coaches at Lunchpail U deserve it.

          • It’s probably complicated, but it is interesting to think of the dilemma of Price vs. Seats filled. I mean, in a way one could argue it’s better to fill seats, even if that means less revenue coming in from that (if not horribly substantial). I don’t know how much that affects recruits etc, or to what degree, but I for one see a great deal of value in filling a stadium.

    • Btw… the reason I bring up track and field is because it gives a whole new meaning to the words ‘walk on’ receiver, corner, lineman, etc.

      • I do think that would help. You may get some of the (his Dad’s employment aside) Jordan Kent’s out there. Could always use a few top level sprinters on your squad. I guess Wheaton’s supposed to be fast, and James Rodgers is pretty fast, but I don’t see a “you’re not going to catch this guy” on the roster. Hard to get I understand, but would be nice to see one or two come through Corvallis.

      • The point being that we have the ability to make low level recruits into something they weren’t in high school… football players. It takes work and dedication, but spending a scholarship on speed only makes you into Raider Nation. There is a sport out there which can spend scholarships on speed.

        You’re right, we either don’t have–or we don’t utilize correctly–any offensive top level speed.

  12. Some game notes:

    I told you their secondary sucked eggs. Their LB’s played a great game, but they were in the box all night. We only hit receivers in the seam. We kept our TE’s in to block too much. They should have released down the seam a couple times to draw their LB’s off the line. I wonder if we over-thought that aspect in preparation. The seam was wide, wide open all night, and Canfield did a fine job hitting it for TD’s. But it would have been more fun watching Joe drag a couple safeties thirty yards downfield.

    I almost got my Quizz/Rowe fantasy moment.

    Canfield deserves the all-conference QB first team. Masoli is a fine leader with a ton of heart. But you put someone in his face, and all he can do is run or throw it away. And if he’s already decided to throw from the pocket, he panics into the second option. Good on him for making run a scary option, but he’s not a QB. He’s just the guy who takes the snap on every down. He’s Ronnie Brown without the speed. A QB would read those blitzes and adjust accordingly.

    Why no Wheaton after the first drive? I think James has fine speed, but he’s not a burner. If he was blowing past their secondary, why not put some legs on the flank for a play or two? And why no fly sweep late in the game? For the first time this year, we were consistently working the D with that play.

    Canfield’s overthrow of James in the seam in the third broke my heart. A sure six turned into a drive for a FG. Another trade-off that cost us on the scoreboard.

    I can see the thought process on 4th and 15, but I would have taken the three without hesitation. Either pin them deep and play the same defensive ‘hope we stop’ game, or try an onside kick. There was too much emotion spent on a low percentage play for our defense to come out with fire. A FG and the ensuing break would have given us time to breathe and get ready for crunch time down by one. An onside kick with four minutes left might not have fooled them, but it gives us another chance. And if we don’t stop them on downs with a full compliment of TO’s, then we let them think they bust a big one for a quick score. We get the ball back with three minutes remaining.

    Of course, we could have missed the kick, or Kelly would have tried to stupidly put the game away with a two point conversion had we let them score late. But give it all a chance to play out.

    All in all a good game which would have beaten 99% of the teams out there. And I hope the Ducks are smart enough to enjoy their team for the next year, because after that Masoli and Kelly are gone.

    • WRONG; Canfield had great protection most the season and he therefor did great. However when defenders even seemed to close in he knee jerked everytime. Tons of talent but the killer (I want to win more than anything) instinct is totally missing.

      I get tired of people admiring beautiful passes and ignoring what the goal of the game is,,,, to win. The Brett Farve’s and Terry Bradshaws of football were never looked upon as throwing a beautiful ball,,, but they knew (know) how to win a game. Its called grit, and taking a dive 15 yards short of a tackler when your team is down and this may be your last hope does not make you a champion.

      • Valid points, Canfield does lack some intangible, but all the Beavers are in the boat. They don’t understand the detail or refinement it takes to get over the hump. Some teams learn how to win these types of games and some don’t. It’s one thing I do admire in a team like Boise State. The mid-majors all excel at fundementals and knowing the magnitude of minutia.

      • Wrong about what? I agree that Canfield is not perfect and that he missed opportunities to show toughness. But Masoli shows that he makes a decision to pass from the huddle. If he happens to be in the pocket, and the D is on him fast, he ‘knee-jerked’ every time. Only when the play was rolled out for a pass did he try to make a move off a busted play. And even then he just bailed half the time.

        If you’re looking for an MVP, Masoli’s my guy. If you’re looking for the best QB, I’ll take Canfield every time. Masoli only succeeded because he played the edges all night… by design. Ask him to hit someone in the middle of the field, and he’s dead in the water.

        Last night’s game makes me worry that the Ducks won’t have it for an over hyped tOSU. The Buckeyes wouldn’t win the Pac 10, but they do have the ability to run both sides straight up field. I trust Masoli to play big, but that o-line is going to leave him a broken man after the Rose Bowl.

        Hopefully it doesn’t happen early in the game, or I’ll be hearing excuses down here like never before.

        • To far off so you probably wont get this but:

          The difference is Masoli makes it happen, he does not take the ground. Canfield takes the ground and never looks for an option other than dump off to Quiz. WHICH, in my opinion placed Quiz in a dangerous situation all season. Opponents were keying on him knowing he would be the dump off guy. I’m surprised he wasn’t nailed with an injury. Canfield watched his primary receiver from the hike to the pass; if the primary was covered it was an automatic dump to Quiz. If it was a run he turned, made it obvious he was handing the ball off, then turned to watch the runner so the whole world knew who had the ball. No fakes like he was going to pass, no look left throw right, nothing but telegraphing to the opponent what he was doing. Shame on whomever coaches Beaver quarterbacks because Derek Anderson had the exact same problem. Both terrific athletes who needed some real coaching.

          Riley is a terrific coach in so many ways; but he does lack in quarterback coaching and play calling. The two go together.

          • I actually agree that Masoli (and the Ducks) make it happen, where as the Beavers hope it will happen. It’s a mindset issue that I think stems from being under-recruited. Like beaten dogs that always flinch at a hand. The Beavers should hire a sports psychologist if they don’t have one.

    • I think the 4th and 15 was a necessity. If it’s a 25 yard field goal, take it, but 45 is hardly a given. FGs weren’t going to win that game anyway. The Ducks could have put up another TD at the end. Chip Kelly surprised me in taking his foot off the gas, honestly.

    • JackBeav, good thoughts on the no FG decision. Riley usually makes the NFL type call in those situations. I’m surprised at six minutes he didn’t go for the FG and get it down to one point. 4th and 15 is not very makeable. In the NFL you always rely on your D, unless you are Bill Belicheck and Riley usually plays that way. Like I’ve said before though this is not a good Beaver defense overall.

  13. Has anyone ever seen Pumping Iron? Arnold working out in state of the art facility, with California beaches, beautiful women, etc..Lou Ferrigno training in a dank gym in Brooklyn or wherever it was. Your kind of root for Lou the underdog to win, but of course its Arnold in the end. It’s always Arnold in the end. It’s American Darwinism. It’s why I sleep on a shitty mattress on the floor, drive an 8 year old car and root for the Beavs.

      • Arnold’s the only politician out there who can’t say ‘don’t do drugs.’ If it wasn’t for drugs, he would just be a farmhand in Austria.

        • You realize roids as legal as the crap you buy in GNC when he was doing them. The doobie he smoked after winning, however, was not.

          • What does legality have to do with anything? Drugs made him what he is now. And why does marijuana get such a bad rap? If it’s digested instead of smoked, it’s less harmful than just about every ‘legal’ drug that exists. Maybe he smoked it so he could forget that his balls were shrinking.

            Since legal drugs are responsible for the majority of overdoses and deaths in this country, I think a new perspective is in order.

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