1. This team is flat, lacks leadership, and blew an opportunity for a top 15 finish.
2. Jordan Bishop drops every pass thrown to him. Not just in this game, but all year. He’s like Catchings part 2.
3. Why was Johnny Hekker on award lists? I don’t want to hear this guy is good ever again. He’s the worst punter in the conference by far.
4. Banker’s defense looks like a joke yet again.
5. BYU was practicing for a week before the Beavers. They didn’t take this game seriously.
6. Another national embarrassment. It’s guys like Mark May, Lou Holtz, and Rese Davis who you have to impress. They’re laughing at the Beavers.
7. Expect more of this national embarrassment next season. The Beavers never rise to the occasion when they’re the only game on primetime.
Just an absolute embarrassment. Its pretty obvious all of them would rather be sitting at home. Quizz drops a fumble and theres no sense of urgency at all to pick it up, he cant even muster up enough effort to fall on it. Tcu smashed byu this year and returns plenty of starters for next year. If the beavs dont improve dramatically (which they probably wont) then week 1, 2010 is gonna be ugly
I got the impression that Quiz didn’t realize it was a live ball. It was a stupid play to begin with. Throw a ball backwards like that with the wind swirling around like it was, you’re asking for trouble. I agree with Lou Holtz on that one. You NEVER throw the pass backwards.
There were times where I had to give Quizz some credit though too… when he lost yardage a couple times, he was dodging 4-5 BYU players that blew past us, at least trying. Sometimes you can only do so much.
Once again the elements (wind) is showing how 1 dimensional OS is. They are not tackling well. It’s all the worst things coming together at once: Quizz fumble, lots of penalties, poor tackling, a collapse on special teams, and Canfield can’t connect (not sure if it’s him or his receivers). What is it about Sam Boyd stadium that the Beavers play terribly? Surprisingly, the O-line has held it’s own from what little I’ve seen.
Was there just a bit too much talk last week about playing TCU next season? That seemed to be a distraction – from my perspective.
These bowl games are funny things. Teams just look completely different after these long layoffs than they did at the end of the season. This is nagging thing for me about the bowl games. How does a game that is so even on paper with loads of offense turn one-sided with only one team scoring.
Wish OS had an effective go-to TE in our offense….oh for Joe Newton or Tim Euhus.
The Beavers were total bitches tonight. This was a loss attributed to the coaching staff. They did not get the team ready to play at all. It was a total embarrassment. BYU kicked OSU all over the field. They dominated. Getting punked on national tv will not help recruiting at all. 8-5 is weak.
How will an OSU coach pitch a recruit this winter? “Come to our school and get your ass kicked on national tv!!!! Come on! It’s awesome!”
Riley and staff were high on their own fumes coming into this game. The players reacted accordingly.
I don’t want to hear any BS about layoffs or schedules or weather. The Beavers played like complete donkeys and deserved to lose.
Yup. You almost don’t even know where to start. Horrible, just horrible. Every facet of what we are just looked pathetic to not only us, but everyone that doesn’t know. I had a lot of family in Oklahoma tuning in tonight for their first look at us this season, naturally.
Totally dead in the water, just emotionally not there whatsoever. Looks like the CW lingered, in addition to distraction, and just emotionally un-invested all around.
However, it was nice to see Katz again. That’s my only plus from tonight just watching him, curiously thinking to next year.
This is the only game this season where it can be said they got blown out. They weren’t into it mentally or psychologically. It’s on the coaches. They didn’t have them ready.
Except for the digs on Bishop and Hekker, pretty much dead on. But why single them out? It was a team effort, and they were pathetic as a team. We were flat and outplayed.
And to top it off, BYU decided to be a bunch of prancing, taunting, classless cheap-shot punks. Now I see why UO got in a fight with them prior to their bowl. I always thought it was the Ducks’ fault.
Oh well. Hopefully this serves as a lesson in how not to play in the future.
BTW… can anyone explain to me why the refs decided at the end of the game to start calling PI and PF’s against BYU? Talk about inconsistent. That was the time I just wanted the game to end, and here they are finally calling the obvious.
The refs almost appeared to be fed up with BYU’s punk attitudes more than anything.
I’m not saying that those calls being consistent would have won us the game. BYU played like a Dennis Erickson or Pat Hill team tonight. They were good. They had a lot of cheap shots, and they were physical with the receivers. Sometimes the flags fly against you, but it almost always throws the Beavs for a loop when they aren’t expecting that kind of play.
We could have marched to their 5 on penalties alone and still not score.
On the bright side…
I sure like Katz. He faced a team which was beating us soundly and not letting up. One would think that the winning team would put their reserves in once we did the same, but I’ll take some real time for the new guy.
It was nice to see a QB pull the ball down and not trip over the line of scrimmage. He’s still a little rough, but it looked more like he didn’t receive enough reps in the one week we did practice. That ought to work itself out by next fall.
For comparison, I think Katz is almost as developed as Canfield was late last year… with a monster arm. That overthrow of Wheaton on the fly drew an audible ‘wow’ from me and the announcers. It was a rope. We can look forward to some good football in the years to come.
Oh… and when Katz loses the rough edge we’ll all notice that Wheaton was breaking wide open on that same fly pattern. Apparently someone has some speed.
The worst part of this is the national perception. The beavs let down the conference as a whole in losing to the MWC AGAIN. You can only chalk it up to these teams treating OOC teams as their “super bowl” so many times before you have to accept their conference is better. Half the equation in being “better” is mental, and the pac-10 fails over and over in that regard. Do you really think Rese Davis, Mark May, or Lou Holz is going to mention the Beavers next season? Maybe, if they win vs BSU or TCU and get off to a fast start, but this is going to be their lasting impression of the team for a long time. The Beavers don’t seem to get that. Again, it’s the 1 step forward, 2 step back routine.
I was really getting tired of the whole ‘chip on their shoulders’ thing. I was hearing all the BYU kids talking the same tripe before the game, but the Beavs were talking no such thing. We didn’t take them for granted. We didn’t even show up. Credit BYU with at least showing up to play, but there weren’t many teams out there who wouldn’t have beaten us last night.
Agreed. I think a powderpuff team would have creamed us. Talking people in the athletic department, it was obvious that the team never recovered from the CW loss. That is related to a lack of killer instinct, individuals that have that will want to kill the next team they get to see. I would have had “a chip on my shoulder” tonight because of my last loss, I would have wanted to show the country that I got snubbed in bowl selection and that I deserved better. Not mention at least a top 15 finish, maybe as high as 12. This team clearly lacks a killer instinct, these players will carry this past month with them for the rest of their lives. They will have the joy of knowing that when they had a chance to put it all on the line and show they were a man they backed down from the challenge. That is gunna be a tough thing for those guys to live with, I know I would have a hard time living with myself after showing the country I was mentally weak. Sad for those seniors, should be ashamed of themselves.
The bottom line is that the receivers dropped just about everything that came their way. Adeniji, the walk-on, was the only sure handed receiver all night. On the flip-side, Katz threw a few nice balls including a 40 yard td pass to Adeniji and showcased his arm strength
Katz looked good… albeit a little rough. His first two passes were on Wheaton’s hands, but he threw them too hard… same with the fly route down the right. The TD and out route completions were beautiful.
Ahh….
A poor game followed by a poor night’s sleep. Who could ask for more?
I don’t know if I haven’t shaken off the loss or if I’m tired of the majority of classless Duck fans. But I’m feeling masochistic in a competitive conference sort of way. I wouldn’t mind if UCLA were the only Pac 10 team to show up for a bowl this season. I really don’t feel invested or interested in any of the remaining teams or bowls. Except for the 2002 Rose Bowl I’ve always wanted to see the game itself, so maybe that will break my malaise.
It’s too bad I really don’t like either team, but maybe it will be competitive.
Now I have to wait 7-1/2 months for next season. Honestly, the reason I want the conference to do poorly from here on out is because I want our guys to realize that they’re going to have to work for what they want. Imagine if this team had won this game and ended up with a high ranking going into next season. They would probably just go through the motions and believe their own press until they got smacked in the mouth by TCU or BSU. If they don’t want last night to happen again they better put it in gear.
And I think we have the personnel to put it in gear next year. I just have to bite my tongue while Waterchicken fans keep throwing sucker punches. Not the greatest of feelings, but at least I’ve had practice.
I heard that Roberto Nelson tested over the weekend to become fully qualified, but it will take a few days to get the results. Anyone able to confirm this? I would really like to see Haynes parked on the bench more often. I’m really tired of his non-game.
And another side-effect of having a 12 school conference is apparent when I look at Big 12 and SEC basketball schedules. They only play 16 conference games. There is absolutely no excuse for any conference to forego round robin scheduling in basketball… well… unless Jay John is coaching in that conference. Just kidding. I’m sure John wasn’t the reason we had Cal’s number last season. Absolutely sure. Yup.
BTW…
Fresno State @ OSU tonight at 5:30 on FSN.
It’s basketball season!
“it’s basketball season”
is that a good thing?
on the positive side, the beavs baseball team is ranked 10th.
I love basketball… at least as the rules would have it played. I’m not expecting much from this year’s team other than saying good bye to the seniors and watching the frosh develop. I don’t expect but would be really happy with a .500 season.
I’m just holding my breath until Nelson gets on the floor. Cunningham and Burton have been good so far, and they may have been highly recruited by some of the best teams out there. But Nelson is a blue chip… a natural.
This team will struggle to reach .500 without Nelson. With him I think we have a decent shot to reach some of the outlandish goals set at the beginning of the season.
And I’m calling Wazzu as Pac 10 champs this year. I really like what Bone has done with his team. UW has a lot of talent, but they seem to be getting in each other’s limelight a little too much. Cal might contend in the Pac 10, but they just gave up last night.
I also love baseball, but I really really really dislike the ping of aluminum.
I agree, baseball is my natural love, but the ping does make it difficult.
Sorry, I had to turn the game off somewhere around the start of the 4th quarter. I DVR’d it, thinking I might want to go back to watch parts of it. I intentionally missed the entire 4th qtr, sounds like i may want to watch parts of it just to see Katz play. The game was intolerable and an embarrassment for OSU fans, the Pac10, and the state of OR.
As my “outlet channel” to flip to out of sheer frustration, ESPN2 had Kansas v. Cal b-ball. Cal hung with them well into the 2nd half. I was thinking to myself “OSU, the b-ball team, can’t beat Sac State, how the hell are they going to hang with Cal or teams of that caliber?” I really like Robinson, but I just don’t see this team being competitive at all in Pac10 this year. Somebody tell me I’m wrong?
You’re not wrong, but there are really only three teams of ‘that caliber’ in the Pac 10 this year. And we seem to have Cal’s number for whatever reason. Someone will step up I’m sure, and it could still be us. But you’re going to have to roll the dice for your answer on that one.
Last night was pathetic yes, but I think the reason for the pathetic performance was due to the let down of losing to your rival and not going to a higher bowl. I bet if we had gotten the nod for the Holiday Bowl, the Beavs would have played better. Not sure about their best, but definitely better.
On another note, recruiting will be easy really. All Riley has to say is this: We need faster guys and we want you to play for us. So you want to start here at OSU and play against USC, Oregon, Washington, and Cal? That would get me to come to OSU.
A few more thoughts:
8. Dockery has really bad body control. Always seems to be “flailing” at the defender (see missed tackle on TD).
9. Cam Collins is not the player I saw on film a few years ago. Wish he chose Stanford, we’d be burning him for TDs on a yearly basis.
I agree mostly with what has been said. BYU came ready to play, because this was their Rose Bowl. Oregon teams have a hard time in Vegas, as evidenced by our Brothern Ducks 38-7 drubbing a couple years back. There was no excuse for our lack of offense or defense. I put a big part of the blame on the coaching staff. I expected the sort of offense we saw from BYU, but not necessarily the clock eating, I would have like to have seen a better D performance. Canfield came out looking really bad and not dealing with the conditions very well. But all in all this doesn;t matter. We were an also ran, and we have our chance against the Mountain West and WAC again next year along with the rest of the PAC-10. Take this is hopefully a lesson learned and hold on tight for what could be a great season next year. GO BEAVERS!
Oh…
And I still hate the white pants.
I thought about traveling to the game but I didn’t, thank the Lord. Had I gone I would have asked for a refund of my ticket and travel prices. I know the athletic department doesn’t have that kind of money but that was flat out embarassing. I won’t wear OSU gear for quite a while because of that. I am disgusted and ashamed to be a Beaver, I can’t imagine how the players/coaches feel. They probably shouldn’t be able to sleep for a few days. There is nothing worse than showing that you are mentally weak, a lack of heart is one of the poorest qualities that an individual can have. I wish they just hadn’t even gone. We can discuss all the reasons that this game was lost but it all comes down to one thing, a lack of heart.
BTW, angry this quote by Sun Tzu is fitting to how you describe the Beavers and their pursuit of a win: “Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ” Beaver Nation should decide which category we fit into, I believe we fit into the latter and will for a very long time.
OSBeavs, you really upset me here with your tone and one line specifically. You state, “I won’t wear OSU gear for quite a while because of that. I am digusted and ashamed to be a Beaver.” Sorry chap, I am WAY unhappy with this too, but your attitude is not one I want to play with or have on my side. We sucked. Yup, big time. But, I am NEVER ashamed to be a Beaver. You have forgotten what we were for TWENTY EIGHT freaking years. Yeah, this leaves that “Bitter Beer” taste in the mouth (great commercials by the way), but I am not going to beat up on the guys or the staff. I have had rotten days at work before and the staff had a rotten day on national TV. Leave it at that. On the other side, these are 18-22 year old KIDS. Quit accusing these people of being mentally weak and lacking heart while you hide behind some pathetic alias on a message board. You want to quote Sun Tzu, I would rather quote my Lord and Savior who said “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
He’s being melodramatic… probably unintentionally. Let him sulk, and he’ll come around.
I also contend that lack of heart is a poor quality. Sometimes it’s appropriate… like maybe his oath to not don Beav gear. It’s his choice to deny his heart due to embarrassment.
Some of us don’t have that problem because we know it isn’t war. Hell, it isn’t even chess.
I know its not war (just a book to bring a quote from) and I know quite a few of the players actually. I am so upset because I thought the proudest quality of our team was the will to succeed and bring effort. This will was not shown. I have played with a few football teams and taken part in a few other team activities that not everyone had the heart to persevere. Those experiences in my life have given me this perspective. I know about the streak and I know a couple players from the streak. Despite the losing records, I am proud to say that those individuals players during the streak at least brought heart to the team. I can’t speak to the heart of all the players from the streak because I don’t know them but I can say this, the players I know had heart. I understand that everyone has poor days at work but that is analagous to a poor day at practice, this is the BIG meeting that you prepared for. I can accept loss to a better team but I don’t feel that is what happened. What I can’t accept is a piss poor effort, that is something that I will never be able to accept.
I am just not sure why some want to chastise me for not accepting poor effort. I will agree that not wearing beaver gear is probably immature and was an emotional statement, I know that I will. I will ask those of you fans though not to except this performance or make excuses. This kind of thing can become a cancer unless people refuse to accept it. I know I as a fan will not accept it, I can only hope that this team will not accept it as well. Remember this is a place for us to be cynical.
Thank you for going further. I understand your thoughts better and that helps. I will admit I still am not in agreement. I see this as a bad blip and not anything near a cancer. I felt we were significantly outcoached, which in all fairness does not happen often. In some strange way this may be a much better motivator for next season than a win would have been. We are back to having little to no respect, and we will be the underdogs. And honestly that is what we deserve. I fully expect the team and coaches to not accept it (as you put it). The unfortunate part is now we have to wait dang near forever to find out.
Really, unless this game has the letters BCS in it, it really doesn’t matter too much. While I do agree with Riley in letting the team have time off for finals, I don’t agree with the call of not practicing for those couple of days after the bowl game announcement.
We should be fine next year. Katz looked just as good as he did in the spring game and while it may take him a bit to get going I think he’ll turn out better then Canfield.
That was an uninteresting, embarrassing game. And while there are no excuses – BYU clearly deserved to win – much of it had anomalous characteristics; Quizz’s first fumble, Riley’s first bowl loss, backwards punts. This was the kind of game that OSU has had early in the season with inexperienced quarterbacks (e.g. Cincinnati). BUT – what bothered me the most was the defense.
That most of the starters will be returning next year does not provide a great deal of confidence. Outside of Paea, Olander, and the MLB (Pa’Alhuhi sorry, I’m probably murdering the spelling), the team really seems to lack talent. They started out well, with a couple of TFL’s to start and a well-defensed pass, but after that….
Was it just me, or did the DB’s look like tombstones on the start of many plays the rest of the night? OSU safeties – Collins and Mitchell- are supposed to be among the most athletic in some time. But they don’t seem to be particularly strong against the run or the pass. And the CB’s have to be big concern next year. Hardin will likely improve, but the depth drops off quickly.
Poyer seemd both fast and smart this year. I’m hoping he puts on some weight and gets a serious look at the FS position.
And the consistently poor tackling – at this level? This late in the season? That’s systemic and it IS coaching.
The offense will be loaded next year, but the defense just doesn’t appear to have enough play makers for next year’s team to put it together. I am beginning to agree that OSU simply lacks a killer mentality and think the window of opportunity – two straight years – on the rose bowl just shut a few weeks back in Eugene.
I have not seen any of the players, but I have heard that the redshirts and greyshirts are more talented than this current group and will likley beat out some of the current starters. I have been frustrated by the safties all year. I cannot recall a time in coverage where the safety came over to help the corner and dislodged the ball or tipped it away. I cannot figure out where they are on each play. We do not double any receivers so that is not the issue. I would not call any of the current defenders “playmakers”, guys who make that crucial stop, or cause a turnover. Paea is probably one, but it is tough to be “that” man as a lineman. Most of the players this year were first year starters though. Heck I was reminded how awful Hughes and Lewis were their first year. They dramatically improved and at least one is in the NFL. I still think the future is very bright, but there must be growth next year to reach the potential.
Having met most of the recruits, there isn’t anything to be super excited about. They are similar to previous years of recruiting. They are guys that need to hit the weight room to gain some size and by the end of their senior year will be good players. They are mostly nice guys and have a strong character for the community but I wouldn’t say that they are anymore or less talented than previous classes. The issue with our DB’s is the coaching, specifically Banker and the new guy coaching there (I can’t remember his name but Angry hates his recruiting). I know for a fact that we have more than enough speed at those positions, it is how they are coached.
Q: Are student-athletes supposed to get a day off?
Yes. During the playing season, all countable athletically related activities are prohibited during one calendar day per week. However, a travel day can count as a day off, as well as a day that competition is canceled before it begins, and a vacation day can also be used. Further, student-athletes do not get a required day off per week during post season championships or bowl games, during preseason practice, or during institutionally designated periods when classes are not in session.
Found this on the Official NCAA website. So it appears that the players are not required time off once the regular season ends. Meaning..Riley could have held practices 4 days of the week during Finals week. Would that have made the difference? Who knows, but what we shouldn’t do is point fingers and blame coaches and players nor fans for that matter. The TEAM didn’t play. I looked at Riley’s face when they showed him on tv when the Beavs did something bad; he didn’t get angry like he usually does or what you usually see. He just had the look of, “Are you kidding me, but I’m not a bit surprised by their lack of play.” That’s the look I saw and the players DO feed off of that. If the coach doesn’t get pissed at bad playing, then what are the players supposed to think? Oh, if coach is upset at a play with his head down, then we must be doing something bad and there’s no way we can get out of this hole…until Katz came into the game! I seriously thought a comeback could happen with Katz in the game and I think BYU did too because they seemed surprised by the way Katz was playing(Without any care in the world and as if the game was tied 0-0). That’s a great mentality to have as a QB!!!! I can’t wait for next season to happen! This season is gone and dead! no sense in kicking a horse when it’s dead to try and get it’s attention. AKA..focus on next year and keep your head up. If we dwell too much in the past, then we will stay there forever. Imagine if the ducks had kept the BSU’s sour taste in their mouths…would they have gone 10-2 for the regular season? NO probably not! We need to have the mentality of remember to never come back to Sam Boyd stadium again and aim for Holiday Bowl or better for next season! If they don’t reach it, then we may get the same bowl results that we got…which i think was the teams goal and that equaled a blow out loss and lack of urgency and fire from the team. Aiming low, but hoping to win one game at a time is the right philosophy to have…cause then when you do get to a bowl game, you most likely won’t choke and say, well at least we’re in a bowl game. GO BEAVS and bring on 2010!!!!
oh here’s the link to the quote: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/legislation+and+governance/committees/division+i/saac/di+saac+faq
Here’s a point that highlights how uninterested the team was in this game. Doesn’t the punter practice before the game to assess conditions? Wouldn’t there have been some communication between coaches that normal punts would be impossible when going against the wind? After that wouldn’t adjustments be made? Did everyone notice BYU’s punter was able to do a successful line drive punt against the wind while Hecker did two momentum sucking kicks straight into the wind? Help me understand this.
For the season as a whole (and this makes me very nervous about next year), the team survived by not turning the ball over. I’m still amazed at how little people talk about that. They were first in the nation going into the BYU game. You saw what happend when they turned it over three times. Your just not going to get an 11 turnover in 13 game performance next year. Lastly, this defense was bad. Let’s just admit it. Poor tackling, no turnovers created, big chunks of yards given up in the passing game. The Duck and Trojan losses ended with both teams getting the ball with around six minutes left and were simply able to run out the clock. Unless the defense improves, I don’t see a Rose Bowl challenge next year.
BYU’ punter was able to punt, and Max Hall was able to throw. Meanwhile, Hekker couldn’t punt, and Canfield couldn’t throw.
The punting shenanigans make you look like a high school team. This has been a problem for years, since Loomis quit on the team. Serna was a joke, now this Hekker clown–he even has the red hair to boot.
I don’t really remember us being good tacklers. I think that these guys should just start doing good old fashioned angle tackling in practice every day until they learn how to tackle. I agree this defense was atrocious. I really don’t think that there is much left for Banker here anymore, he needs to go. I am unimpressed by his gap cancellation scheme and we cannot get turnovers anymore. I am beginning to wonder if the defense succeeded on talent, not scheme. The bright spot on our D was Paea, so glad we get him back next year, those two huge tackles for a loss made me think that we were in for a fun night. Anyone else notice that on some of the short passes out wide (that BYU had) Paea was the one getting out of the pile after the tackle. He is an animal and was all over the field.
this game was hard to watch–i even had to switch to ghost lab for a while. they were on their backs the whole time and the worst part of it was that they didn’t seem to care at all. ugh.
Eh…
The season looked like it might be better than most of us expected, then it kind of petered out and ended up being what everyone thought it would be in the end.
Oh well. It’s my own fault for getting my hopes up. Aren’t we supposed to be weighted with cynicism if not anchored in reality?
On the subject of hoops… Wednesday’s game was surprisingly… well… surprising. I’ve been skeptical of Haynes through the first 10 games, but he had a quiet 25 the other night. He reverted to stupidity about three or four times, but it was a far cry from what he’s been doing thus far.
Omari Johnson moved well without the ball, and he found himself under the basket for half a dozen easy lay-ups as a result. Lathen Wallace was decent driving to the hole. It didn’t always look pretty, and he won’t be able to do it against quicker defenders in the future. But one thing he did do was finish. Cunningham will still take his job. And Daniel Deane Worked the inside with some good hustle.
Schaftenaar looks like he’s more comfortable playing from the high post, and Burton still has a wicked bounce pass.
All in all I’m feeling better about our team than I was a week ago. I’m thinking Coach Rob was just experimenting and teaching for the first few games, and now he’s settling back into what he knows they can do.
On another note… I am absolutely shocked that Bishop Sankey has committed to Wazzu so early. Even if he likes the coaching staff, he should know that they might not be around after next year.