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Still a few weeks until Fall camp so let’s go with a general thread to kill the time.

Try to keep the Trump stuff under control. It’s just plain annoying to the point I skip anything to do with that. The bottom line is you are not going to figure out politics or change your mind. You’re just going to dig your heals in deeper even talking about it. In the history of the internet, zero people have ever converted their political stances from “discussions” or pointing out how dumb they are, etc. Thinking you’re going to be the first is like thinking I’m going to win 15 mil entering the Publisher’s Clearance House sweepstakes.

So on that note, what are you looking forward to this camp? Obviously the QB battle (yet again)…what else? Line play? Those are my two. Also curious to see if guys like Wallace and Irvine develop in the secondary. Could have several shut down corners on this team.

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    • I had a similar stomach issue when I first moved to Corvallis for school back in 1997.
      I didnt lose quite that much weight, but I also didnt have as much to start with. To this day, I still don’t know what it was all about. Might have been related to the change in diet (going from home cooked meals to dorm food?) or maybe home sickness and having to move away from my gurlfriend? Regardless, I got pretty skinny during my 1st quarter, but eventually everything evened out.

      Call me crazy, but I think the dairy they use down in Corvallis was just different enough from what I was used to that it caused my stomach to go through an adjustment period. I used to drink alot of milk back then and I think it messed with my constitution. That’s my best guess at least.

      Anybody else experience anything like this when they went to school?

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    • I would love to say yes, but I just don’t see it happening.
      Chance? Sure, but I’d put it around 20% or less.

      He’s one of the top 20 recruits in the nation at this point. Every team will want him, and I don’t get the impression that he wants to stay in his home town for college.
      He has good connections to Riley’s staff at Nebraska, and he seems to be attracted to Oregon, but I really think he’ll end up at one of the USC/Bama/Michigan types of schools. UW is likely in the conversation still too.

      My amature prediction would be
      Alabama. 25%
      USC. 25%
      Michigan. 10%
      Oregon State. 20%(friends on the team, familiarity with program and proximity to home might help)
      Oregon 10% (just don’t think he ends up here, playing opposite all of his friends on the Beavs)
      Nebraska 10% (first team to offer, knew him before anybody else)

      Curious, back when choosing your school to attend, if all things were equal and you could have a had a free full ride anywhere, would anybody here have still ended up at OSU?

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      • A free full ride anywhere? That’s extremely hypothetical. But if that was the case, I probably would not have gone to OSU. But I wasn’t looking for a place to play football either. I was looking for the best Engineering school I could get into. So if I had my pick I probably would have chosen MIT or Furd. But to be honest, knowing what I know now and the experience I had, I wouldn’t change schools if I could go back in time.

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        • ^^^ this ^^^
          Though, recalling my own college selection, it went pretty much exactly like this (autumn, 1978):
          Counselor: Have you decided where you’re going to college?
          Me: I think OIT (because it had “Tech” in the name”.
          Counselor: I think you’d be better off at a 4 year university like Oregon State.
          Me: OK.

          I did apply to to Stanford for graduate school. I received back a cassette tape consisting entirely of laughter.

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  3. Im interested in seeing the juco guys show up especially evans. Hopefully someone can solidify the rt spot. That would make me feel a lot better headinh into the season.

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    • I still think we need another O-lineman this season. We picked up that JC guy Montibon a few weeks back, but he’s a blue shirt (can practice with team but can’t play this year, scholarship won”t kick in till 2018 class)
      He’s essentially a really early enrollee. We need an experienced grad transfer type of guy who can play immediately

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  4. I through together a spreadsheet last week with the 2017 roster, to help make it easier to track scholarship numbers, since that information isn’t shared publicly by the team.

    Anybody here willing to take a look to see if there are any glaring mistakes? I’m not 100% sure about the players I have listed as non scholarship.
    Also, there are some missing items as I try to track down jersey numbers for the new guys, and I may have some of the recruiting class years wrong (or missing)

    Let me know if this link works for you…

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L-xme0mUO_9gf96CIO3BhN1EaxmD7yosVCu4J47lN0E/edit?usp=drivesdk

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    • Thanks for the spreadsheet and the work. Thoughts and general comment:.

      Why did you leave the year off so many players (confusion on year of entry or gray shirts or something else). On that note Jalen Moore is part of the 2015 class, Gus Lavaka is 2016, Kameron Carroll, Thomas Tyner and Trevorris Johnson are 2017 (the latter 2 are not on the roster yet so it makes sense to leave there year of entry blank) .

      I assumed that Shemar Smith has a good chance of getting the medical redshirt last year, what do you think?

      I think you mentioned it in another post, but I had Zach Standish as a walkon player, do you have any information that makes you feel he is scholarship?

      I also questioned whether Connor Blount is on scholarship, what do you think? How did you decide between the 2 long snappers who was on scholarship?

      I cannot remember, did Ricky Liuchan grayshirt? Based on his recruiting class he should be a Junior.

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      • Hey blackbug, thanks for the review and follow up items. I’m away at the coast currently on a mini vacation, but will get back to you with answers in a couple of days when i’m back. Long story short, it’s still incomplete, so i’m just filling in the gaps as i go. Standish I think should be walkon.

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  5. As far as camp goes, I’d actually like to see some clarity around the run game. I think there’s an interesting dynamic at play; Andersen wants points (40+), downfield passing, has added a WR coach with a run-and-shoot background, AND has a potentially impressive RB stable of Nall/Pierce/TCU Transfer/Tyner (assuming he shows)..

    If Nall stays healthy and Tyner can play it’d be a joy to watch OSU these 4 get the ball. The passing game could comprise a minority of the play calling, but be highly effecient and provide big plays if the run game is effective.

    On top of those potentials, OSU also has an O-line with question marks….can they develop into a good+ run blocking team?

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  6. I think this team will be sneaky good.

    Bold Prediction: We wins at least 8 games. I think offense will feature a lot of ground and pound, but will also garner it’s fair share of explosive plays in the air.

    I think our D ends up being top 3 in the league. IMO: athleticism on the defensive side of the ball is off the charts compared to any OSU team of the last decade, with hard hitters that swarm to the ball. Could end up looking a lot like a more disciplined version of of the Fiesta Bowl team. We don’t have the presidents, but that team didn’t have Aydon.

    Offense will be the weak link, but with our running game and defense we really just need a good game manager that can keep people honest. We have that in MCM.

    More excited for this football season then I have been in the last 10 years. This team should be fun to watch.

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    • 6 to 7 wins, but possibly 8 yes. Depends on QB play and getting the right guy back there starting game 1, even if it’s Luton. Need to play the best QB not the coach’s favorite or a project who they want to be something he’s not.

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  8. I want to be optimistic about this season but the schedule is rough and there are still questions at QB and OL. Taking the emotion out of it feels like a 4-8 to 6-6 season. I hope I’m wrong.

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    • Definitely not 4 wins. That would match last year. They all have another year under their belts and two beasts at RB. 6 should be the floor. A good prediction is 7 with a +/- 1.

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      • Much harder schedule this year. Many of the ‘Winnable” games are on the road & GA has yet to win a game on the road.

        at CSU – Underdog / lean toward loss
        PSU – Win
        Minn – Toss Up
        at WSU / SR QB – Loss
        UW / Loss
        at USC / Loss
        Colorado – Toss up / lean toward win
        Stanford – Underdog / Probable Loss
        at Cal / should win but on the road / Toss up
        at AZ / should win but on the road / Toss up
        ASU – Slight favorite / lean toward win
        at Hole – Underdog / Probable Loss

        If you split the toss up games it looks like 5-7. Again I hope I am wrong but the schedule does not set up well for us unless we start winning road games.

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  9. at CSU – W
    PSU – W
    Minn – W
    at WSU – W
    UW – L
    at USC – L
    Colorado – W
    Stanford – W
    at Cal – W
    at AZ – W
    ASU – L
    at Hole – W

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      • My thinking is based off last year’s results, a little coulda/woulda/shoulda, then adding 1-2 wins for growth/maturity.

        We woulda beaten Minny if our O-line was healthy.
        We coulda beaten Boise St if we had this years QB experience on last years team and a healthy Nall.
        Ditto for Utah, but that was shoulda anyway.
        Both Stanford and UCLA were couldas

        This team was close to being a 7-8 win team last year, but Oline injuries, lack QB experience and injuries and a half season from Nall prevented that.

        Lack of O-line experience/depth is the only one of those issues I feel hasnt been fully addressed

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        • WSU was a shoulda too.
          Luke Falk came alive late and their senior receivers made some incredible catches to put us away. 2 of their best receivers are gone

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        • I agree with your view. The main hurdle is not experience or talent, but the first road win. Once they can get one under their belt, all other road games become much more winnable, even USC with some things going right.
          I don’t see the loss to ASU late though. ASU always fades and probably tires of Graham’s act by game 9 or 10.
          Every game is winnable, in an honest assessment, which is much different from 2 years ago. The Beavers are at the turn and this will be the surprise year we can really enjoy. If they do it, it won’t feel like the 2013 year which was smoke and mirrors,. This is building towards something special. Andersen knows what it takes.

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  10. If it is too optimistic to think they could approach what Colorado just did then call me too optimistic. Several factors will decide this year’s success:

    Coach Klune- He will have guys in the right place. Overall team defense will be dramatically improved and teams will have a difficult time moving the ball on OSU. D-line will be imposing and physical, LBs will be aggressive, fast and a year older, secondary will be there athletically and X Crawford is the leader.

    Luton/McM- The team must see some leadership and moxie out of the QB, downfield completions will be critical for offensive balance. I expect the entire locker room to explode with confidence at CSU if the big downfield plays connect and establish that pass to go with the running game.

    Andersen- The Process must produce results soon. I think the Beavs are going to be the surprise team in college football this year. If they can win at CSU, it will be a similar win to the Cal game and getting that monkey off the back. A road wins begets more road win.

    Belief and team confidence- Year 3 and a lot of outside noise says that the Beavs are still a sub.500 team no matter what. In spite of the schedule, no road wins to date, qb questions, coaching turnover and “recruiting woes”, I say the Beavs will win 7-8 games, and go bowling.

    My best case scenario: Luton plays out of his mind from the start (3500 yds, 30 tds), Nall stays healthy and rushes for 1500 yds and 20 tds, defense is better than anyone expects (30 sacks & 30 TOs), while Stanford, WSU and Washington all struggle to replace skill players, Ucks have returned to the mean without Chip/Beavs win in Nikeville, and the Beavs have an outside shot at winning the North and finish 10-2 or 9-3 with a lot of underclassmen returning for next year.

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  11. BASEBALL: Beavs have a combined 3.19 GPA over the Fall, Winter and Spring terms.

    “Oregon State is one of just 36 NCAA Division-I teams honored with the American Baseball Coaches Association’s Team Academic Excellence Award, it was announced Thursday.

    The Beavers are honored for the second consecutive season, and in 2017, are the lone team from the Pac-12 Conference to be on the list”

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/baseball/osu-baseball-beavers-land-abca-award/article_71314aa0-c910-5c89-bfd6-906c7f82ce9b.html

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  12. It’s going to be interesting to see what the general sentiment is after game 1. That first game will definitely set the tone for the season. If we lose that one I’m sure much of the crazy 8-9 win talk will subside, but if we win…Rose Bowl Baby!

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  13. In the history of the internet, zero people have ever converted their political stances from “discussions” or pointing out how dumb they are, etc.

    This, of course, is patently false. But it also has nothing to do with anything. If you want to make dumb posts that are way above the bar that has been set for moral and ethical interactions, I’m going to point out how ow the bar is set to differentiate your pathetic whines from real shit going on in this world that actually affects you.

    I only respond to this now because the Randians are out in force today, overflowing with the repetitive and often contradicting maxims that are considered a philosophy. There are many of the converted now. Deprogramming from that junior high spank-bait “philosophy” is rather easy when they grow older than 16. But there are some who you may be referring to that are just dug in for no other reason than they’re idiots, and Rand speaks idiot.

    Thankfully, according to her philosophy, what she thinks doesn’t matter to me… because nobody outside of myself has any value in this world.

    Oh… and buy gold… because it has value… I think… maybe because I just want it… so everyone should want it.

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    • Let’s go people!

      At least cj is willing to spell out his dumb. You all are just lazy dumb fucks who are perturbed by truth, yet to lazy to do anything but punch a down thumb.

      Y’all are thinking you’re a part of the like generation. And I don’t care. Your silence is my affirmation.

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      • And I know a couple of you are Randians who are looking at your beliefs and finally understanding that Scientology makes more sense. At least those guys get their own planets.

        Or is that Mormonism?

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      • Yet you’re willing to spell out the dumb because you’re TOO lazy to use proper spelling.

        You also can’t follow directions. Which we already knew. We don’t care about your feelers. The fact you’re delusional and bat shit off your rocker on a regular basis is our affirmation.

        But keep trying! Let’s go Jacko!!!

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        • 1. Spell out the dumb because too lazy to use proper spelling? Huh? Are we grammering here?
          2. Directions?
          3. Feelers? Do you mean I’m fishing for responses? That never works.
          4. Guano loco makes sense. 1 through three do not. I don’t know how it’s an affirmation for you. I’m not trying. I’m doing.

          Your weird attempt at wit is better than the passive aggressive “like me” attitude of the like button. I do appreciate that. Thank you.

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  14. What a refreshing thread we have going here! EDIT: written before Jack’s Randian Rant above.

    Lots of optimism, which seems pretty well founded to me. Gotta agree on the importance of a W vs CSU and the need for the OL to gel quickly.

    As ObjCritic indicated, the offensive play calling is an area I’ll really watch. With the talk and staffing pointing toward an emphasis on passing game improvement, I hope the run game isn’t neglected.
    Using the passing game sparingly, keeping the D off balance by pounding Nall and AP to set up the pass seems to me to be a good formula. Our old buddy MR often claimed to want to run more, hope Andersen and staff actually do so.

    I fully expect the Beavs D to keep the team in nearly every game, still not sure they can hang with the Dawgs, yet.

    At this point I’m guessing a 6 win +/- 1; missing a bowl game would be a big disappointment, as would a poor performance down in the land of the swoosh.

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    • heh heh

      Honestly, I don’t know why everyone is looking at CSU as a test other than it’s there, and they get to prepare for us for more than one week. But I’m not sold on their D, and their O is run first. Against our D, they don’t match up well. Against our O, they don’t match up well.

      They will be home at altitude. Is that enough to overcome their deficiencies on paper?

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      • On the altitude thing, while Bend is only 3k, it is better than all of Fall at sea level. Effect of Bend will fade fast though, hopefully the team gets to CO early. Depth at RB would seem to be useful at altitude, to bad the OL won’t likely have similar quality depth.

        As to CSU being a “test”, it is actually an opportunity which cannot be missed if this team is gonna make a big stride this season. That week between games 1 and 2 will be strongly influenced by the result vs CSU; could be so positive for OL prep as well as other aspects.

        Oh yeah, Go AP!……..we don’t need no stinkin’ TT

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    • Not really. I thinks is because they are opening a new stadium and they moved the schedual to play us for the first game. Add that we haven’t won a road game in 2 years.

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      • Third year coach at CSU. They played in Minneapolis last year and lost by a TD. They were a decent team. They should be a very legit test on the road as they seemed to get better as the year went on.

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    • Seems like too much angst about CSU. Like Jack said, they’ll match up poorly against OSU’s strengths.

      I could see a 4-0 start. If DeCoud were still around, I’d feel better about Beavs @ WSU. Even without him and with WSU losing some WRs, I think the Beavs have a pretty good chance to take that one. First Pac road win in how long?!?

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  17. Sillie Taggart has booted Darren Carrington from the team.
    They’re also down to only 1 QB with any experience next season. Herbert is a good enough QB to get them some wins, but if he goes down, their season could be scary bad.

    Wonder if Sillie will use the lack of depth as a handicap next year, so he has a built in excuse for taking them to a similar record as last season?

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  18. “Wonder if Sillie will use the lack of depth as a handicap next year, so he has a built in excuse for taking them to a similar record as last season?”

    Isn’t that what GA did too?

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    • Yes, but our fanbase had lower expectations already, so we werent as hard to convince.

      Plus, Sillie is Mr. No excuses

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        • What GA inherited wasn’t as tall or as heavy as what was on paper… let alone being some team a year removed from supporting a Heisman winner.

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          • Helf lost the job because he lost the team. There’s plenty of talent to use there if utilized correctly. They’ve never specialized on D, but they’ve always had at least one speed guy who could chase down plays on his own… sometimes two. Playmakers kill the right drives and enhance morale on the O side, which has worked well for them over the last decade.

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          • I also think helf although not great just had an off year. Hole was young as shit and had an osu amount of injuries and bad luck. Also started the wrong qb to start the season which ended up killing them.

            A lot of talent on that team. But keeping faith that GA puts solid players together to make a great team, while Willie puts out a mediocre team full of great players. Substance over style.

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  19. Can anyone offer some guidance on a good source of tickets for the CSU game? I’m meeting two others there but I’d love to get tickets sitting with Beaver fans. A tailgate gathering or something of the like would be great. The local Colorado resident wants to get really good seats from a site, but I’d prefer not being surrounded by CSU fans. None of us are alumni but are lifelong Beaver fans. I do know some alums and can proposition them to be a surrogate if that’s the only route. Thanks!

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    • He actually wasn’t there. He was at a frat across the parking lots doing something else.

      I don’t know what to think of Carrington. He is such a special talent. But he doesn’t want to play? Idk.

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  22. So Darren Carrington is a college graduate, with 1 year of eligibility remaining. Which team picks him up as a grad transfer?
    You know it will happen.
    We lost Jarmon to baseball and have an open scholarship or 2….

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      • Just checked his recent followers. Mostly coaches from various schools. Saw Utah amongst them, but no other Pac schools.

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        • Kind of unlucky, had this happened a week ago he could have entered NFL supplemental draft, not sure if the NFL has a mechanism for a player dismissed from school after that draft.

          If I were Andersen I’d be willing to have a conversation with him and see where his head is at, talent is undeniable and to win at OSU I think you sometimes gotta be willing to take some gambles.

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          • You can’t seriously be comparing a guy who was kicked off his college team after 3 separate fuck ups to a Hall of Fame NFL wide receiver. Steve smith got in a fight with an NFL teammate who was bigger than him and he kicked his ass. Darren Carrington beat up a regular dude outside a bar and then broke his arm once he was down. There’s fiery personalities and then there are fuck up bullies

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          • Actually, Carrington’s talent is comparable. I remember Smith in college. DE almost got him, but he was trouble, River City worthy. If Carrington goes to school around the turn of the century, he probably doesn’t get in trouble for anything he’s done. If you want to turn it around, Smith would be in the same or worse position. Good on Carrington for at least getting school done.

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          • Uh no if Carrington gets drunk and crashes his car into McDonald’s he’s getting a DUI in 2000. If he fails a drug test in 2000, he’s gonna get suspended for it. If he beats up a guy in 2000 and breaks that guys arm he’s gonna get in trouble. You say the talent is comparable. Just how comparable? Because Steve Smith made the pro bowl as a rookie and, like I said previously, will be in the Hall of Fame when all is said and done. I feel safe saying Carrington won’t get remotely close to either of those achievements. Again, I’m not saying SSS wasn’t immature coming out of high school, but Carrington is on a whole separate level

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          • I’m with you. We don”t get many opportunities to have an NFL talent fall in our laps. We also lost a starting receiver.
            Put the guy on a short leash. If he doesn’t meet expectations, he’s gone in 3 months anyway. Only harm I see is Canzano would have more material for his next story.

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          • So while his talent is comparable, I don’t know where your high horse was born. Sorry, if Smith is here in Eugene around the turn of the century, he’s getting away with most of that shit. I’m surprised he was the only one to get popped for pot.

            Was he the only one to not walk over to the water fountain to fill his little cup?

            You and I have vastly different memories of what was not reported 15 years ago.

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  23. Looks like Adley’s replacement on the football team could be a Juco kicker from Idaho, Nino Alibegic. Visits next week. Was supposed to visit last month but a car wreck changed those plans on the trip over.
    Looks like we would have to beat out Utah, Oklahoma and TCU. He also appears to be friends with Craig Evans, as they were both on the Arizona Western roster last year.

    That’s all I’ve got…

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  25. Beavbutter season preview exclusive. Save to your hard drive. You will thank me later. Love ya Beavs.

    Rums- W
    Port whinners – W
    Minny haha -W
    WallaWalla – L (great game however)
    blue sky – W
    turbans – L (hot/nasty place..do not attend game)
    John Denver – W (classic game of year)
    Stanford is an evil place – W ( a surprisingly easy win)
    Berkeley is a more evil than Stanford – W
    Penix- W (again, do not attend game)
    Kushites – W
    Gene is a bad name for Eu- WIN

    Gary delivers this year is named Coach of the Year by somebody that is a hanger on of doers.

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  26. OT – Scanned through a sports illustrated “All time NFL draft,” article where 12 people, including former NFL managers, drafted rosters from the history of the NFL. The only Beaver I noticed to get drafted? Punter Johnny Hekker.

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      • Over half the teams make terrible free agent deals with regularity…

        But we already knew Hekker was an all-time punter after the backward punt…. : )

        Actually, while he was developed slowly by Riley, and a better punter was available at the time, I have no problems with Hekker’s current success. Seems like he booming some punts in the League and its always good for the OSU football program to see its player have success after college.

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        • I always thought he was decent with high upside. I blame coaching for that LV bowl debacle. IIRC the wind was reported well in advance, they should have trained him up on lower trajectory punts.

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      • I’ll never understand Remmers. He’s awful in the flesh and constantly getting beat, yet teams keep giving him money. He must be sleeping with the boss!

        Hekker has turned into a great punter. Just shows how bad Riley and his coaches were, though.

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  27. Since we are all looking for something to discuss while sports are in the slow stretch, does anyone have any insight into staff cohesion within the football offices. While Gary Anderson’s tenure has been relatively short we have gone through a large number of staff changes in the last couple of years. Do we think that this reflects poorly on Gary’s ability to collect a staff with a common vision/plan that want to be part of the building process and culture change?

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  29. Re: Drew Rasmussen – denied free agency by MLB. Re: MRI – I assume the MRI is of his arm – but that’s never been specified. And if there’s a problem, was he being allowed to pitch @ OSU on bad medical advice?

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      • Just like going to court, you can find an expert to testify to the result you want. Rays paid a lot of money for McKay and wanted to save their supplemental pick for next year. The only way that happens is if you find a doc who says Drew medically unfit. I hope that it all works out for Drew and he’s a solid first rounder next year.

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      • Haha you are adorable. There are 128 schools in NCAA Division 1A. The Wuerfell Trophy Watch List consists of how many names?

        109(!)

        Quite esteemed company indeed. LOL

        But hey at least they think he’ll be the starter so I guess there’s that for ya :)

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      • Would you care to make a wager that he doesn’t start the Civil War this year? If others are healthy, he doesn’t… let’s hear how confident you are

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          • 100% guarantee… you made it… you actually fucking typed it into the pooter, and you hit submit.

            And you just gloss over that fact with every single post.

            You 100% guaranteed something. That something was just dumb to guarantee in the first place, let alone giving it a 100% guarantee. You have never acknowledged that immense failure, yet you seem to think you have some cache here.

            You fucking suck.

            The only thing that would confirm my bias right now would be to find out you’re JP. But I like to envision him as a Trump looser… you know… because he won.

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          • “You 100% guaranteed something. That something was just dumb to guarantee in the first place, let alone giving it a 100% guarantee.”

            All guarantees are 100% guarantees are they not?

            Time for bed Jack Jack. Go dream about future Hall of Famer Darren Carrington drunk driving a truck into a building but not getting a DUI because that’s just no big deal in the year 2000

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      • “The Wuerffel Trophy is an award given annually to the college football player ‘who best combines exemplary community service with athletic and academic achievement.'”

        Let’s give him credit but not act like he was named to a Heisman watch list…Ok he’s good in the community and the classroom, let’s see how the athletic achievement turns out at the end of the year.

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          • On a side note… what the hell has Danny Wuerffel done so that an award from him is something worthy?

            Last I knew, he was playing for Tampa or Minnie or somewhere… ten+ years ago.

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          • “The Heisman Memorial Trophy, is awarded annually to the most outstanding player in college football in the United States whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity.”

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          • “The Heisman Memorial Trophy, is awarded annually to the most outstanding player in college football in the United States whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity.”

            And sometimes they give the thing to Jameis Winston.

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  35. Vegas weighs in….
    USC: 9.5 (Over -180, Under +150)
    Washington: 10 (Over +115, Under -145)
    Stanford: 8.5 (Over -140, Under +110)
    Colorado: 7.5 (Over +150, Under -180)
    Oregon: 8 (Over EVEN, Under -130)
    UCLA: 6.5 (Over -165, Under +135)
    Washington State: 7.5 (Over -140, Under +110)
    Oregon State: 5.5 (Over +115, Under -145)
    Utah: 6.5 (Over +105, Under -135)
    Arizona State: 5 (Over +110, Under -140)
    Arizona: 5.5 (Over +120, Under -150)
    California: 3.5 (Over -110, Under -110)

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  38. GA was on portland radio this morning. Interview starts around the 97 minute mark
    https://www.iheart.com/podcast/523-Rip-City-Mornings-28251808/

    He mentions the greyshirt/blueshirt rule helping them out this year, where they’re going to bring in 2-3 more kids for camp that nobody knows about yet. Not sure who that would all mean, but i think Monibon fits that description, and the JC kicker, Nino Allibegic, visiting this weekend might also fit. Something to keep an eye on, although I don’t think it means any of the 3 players can play this upcoming season. Just means they can join the team early and then play next year.

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    • You’re awful judgey of other teams considering you wanted Carrington too lol

      *Carrington drives truck into McDonald’s*
      *More problems for Slick Willie lol what a tool”

      *Carrington gets kicked off team*
      “Let’s see what Carringtons got. We need some talent at WR”

      *other team considers Carrington*
      “Lol look at this team. They’re shameless!!”

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      • Meh…

        He put it out there, and it got shot down… on a blog. That’s not the same as a head coach disregarding his own rules to better his paycheck. But again, that’s a hypothetical… on a blog.

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      • First, I never said “more problems for slick willie lol what a tool”
        Others might have, but I went ahead and asked what people on the blog thought about taking a flier on DC. For the record, I am in favor of it. He’s a talent and he’s available. Fills a need too with Jarmon gone. I’m not the coach, I don’t need to abide by team rules or any of that code stuff. Coach does.(at least if he wants his core values to carry any weight)

        There are reports that Utah had him in for a visit. Also, several people online have pointed out that Utah has 5 core values, including “No DUIIs”
        Why is that being “awful judgey” when I point out what others have already said? Utah has a core value that one of their potential transfers just very recently violated. It’s one of only 5 CORE VALUES.
        It’s not shameless, but it is hypocritical. I don’t care if they sign Carrington, however.

        Also, Oregon State’s team core values don’t include “No DUIIs” so bring on the drunks.

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  41. I keep seeing vegas W/L predictions for Oregon State around 5, and for oregon around 8.
    Curious what makes them so much higher on oregon this year?

    Let’s take a look at the 2 rosters position by position, to see which team on paper looks to be better suited to win some games this year.

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    • Quarterback:

      Oregon has 3 on the roster.
      So.Herbert-incumbant starter
      Sr. Taylor Alie-15 pass attempts in 3 years. All garbage time
      Fr. Braxton Burmeister(4* true freshman- flipped late from Arizona)
      Fr. Bruce Judson?(True freshman RB who played some QB in HS)

      Oregon State has 5 on the roster
      Sr. Darrel Garretson
      Jr. Marcus McMaryion
      Jr. Jake Luton
      So. Connor Blount-likely redshirt this year
      Fr. Aiden Willard-likely redshirt

      I suppose this race is close, in that I would take Herbert as a starter over any of the guys on our roster. But overall depth wise, I would definitely take Oregon State.
      Oregon has no experience backing up Herbert. Maybe Burmeister will step in at some point and surprise some people, but as a true freshman that’s a tall order. Because of this, I think Herbert will be limited more to pocket passing, similar to how McMaryion was used prior to the civil war, when he was the last man standing. They can’t risk losing Herbert, which will remove a dimension from Oregon’s offense.

      Advantage- push (but if I had to choose, I would pick Oregon State)

      Thoughts?

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      • Two thoughts:

        – I think your observation about u of nike limiting their playbook to protect Herbert is interesting, and sensible, really have to wonder if Slick Willie will follow through or be more short term oriented and put him at risk.

        – My concern for the Beavs is that Andersen is slow making a decision on a starter, and/or that he tries a two QB approach for the first few games……games which are critical IMHO to a possible 7+ win season.

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    • Running Back:

      Oregon has 7 on the roster
      Sr. Royce Freeman
      Sr. Kani Benoit
      Jr. Tony Brooks James
      Jr. Taj Griffin
      Fr. Darrion Felix
      Fr. CJ Verdell
      Fr. Bruce Judson
      Fr. Cyrus Habibi-Lakobo

      Oregon State has
      Jr. Ryan Nall
      Sr. Thomas Tyner
      Sr. Trevorris Johnson
      So. Artavis Pierce Deserves to play, but depth could force a redshirt year
      Fr. Calvin Tyler-likely redshirt
      Fr. BJ Baylor-likely redshirt

      Again, at the top 2 spots, I think I would side with Oregon here as long as Freeman is back to his Sophomore form. James is a pretty impressive player as well. That’s a good 1-2 punch. But, Freeman didn’t play like that in his Jr. year. Was it injury? Bad O-line play? Hard to say why he fell off.
      Oregon State has the same concern with Nall. Can he play a full season and remain healthy?
      Oregon State’s depth will help here. Pierce/Tyner/Johnson is some pretty impressive depth to help lighten Nall’s load. I’m not convinced that Pierce will even play this season unless needed, in order to use a redshirt year till he can get the bulk of the carries next year.

      Advantage- Oregon State (depth wins out here) Top 2 are close to a push, leaning Oregon’s way, but beyond that I have to go with the experience at OSU. Will be interesting to see how Tyner looks in camp after the 2 years away.

      Thoughts?

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      • Pierce is number 2. He knows the system, and he’s put on bulk. The two seniors need to learn the blocking schemes and tendencies, and they need to be ready to step in mid to late season to spell or replace the other two.

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        • I think Pierce is the #2 guy as well, but I had somebody message me recently talking about the team considering a redshirt year for Pierce, only because the numbers might allow it. Personally, I think that would be a mistake, but it’s a possibility.

          Also, it was a fan who messaged me and not somebody with direct knowledge of team thinking, so consider that 3rd or 4th hand info, at best.

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          • I suppose you avoid the sophomore slump that way?

            I don’t think you put a RS on anyone if they’re ready to go. Nagging injury or deficient schoolwork would be valid reasons. But you don’t voluntarily remove that much experience and efficiency from your system.

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      • I agree with Jack.

        Even without considering the knowledge the two seniors lack, I think AP has shown enough to place him ahead of them. Tyner has a long way to go to show he is at the top of his game now; Johnson is kinda a question mark at this level.

        Having three RB’s seems the minimum, and with Nall maybe 4 is the right number; I just believe the 1 and 2 guys are Nall and AP.

        EDIT/ADD:
        WRT Oregon, how durable will their RB’s be if Herbert is seriously limited as a threat to run? As you stated, depth wins out here.

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        • Pierce is the #2 for sure. Versatile swing passes, blocking and he runs as hard as anyone. He had highlights runs last year that are worth watching again. He is a surprising complimentary player to Nall, not contrasting but complimentary. Lazy radio guys say Nall is just a bruiser and can’t make anyone miss, but Pierce is the quicker guy who makes people miss. Not so, they both are hard to tackle, make people miss and can run away from pursuit. I like them both and it will be tough for the new guys to get carries.

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          • AP will be #2. He knows the blitz pickups and all the other stuff that goes into playing RB. It’s not all about running the football. It will be fascinating to see what the staff does with Tyner.

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          • “It will be fascinating to see what the staff does with Tyner.”

            Maybe use him as a kick returner??
            Anyway, it will be a key item to watch during Fall Camp… Does he fit in? Is he in shape?

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          • KR would be an interesting position. Put him back in tandem with Allen, and see how many times we end up with touchbacks.

            That’s another position not mentioned here. Allen has the ability to be that slash (is it the Z or R receiver?) interior receiver. And I want to see what he can do in the open field.

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          • Good call on Allen. Had forgotten about he and Flemings as WRs.
            I would think Flemings is a redshirt candidate, given his build. He’s already a small guy, and pretty slim too. Think it would be helpful to have an extra season to bulk up before getting on the field.
            Adding both guys to the WR list.
            Also, I had left Aaron Short off too. Adding another JC guy will help keep redshirts on the freshman.

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    • Tight End:

      Oregon has
      Duct Tape
      Bubble Gum

      Oregon State has
      So. Noah Togiai
      So. Tuli Wily Mitagi
      Jr. Quinn Smith
      plus a couple of incoming walkons

      Not much to write about here. If Togiai can stay healthy, Oregon State has decent depth, at a position they don’t heavily utilize for much more than blocking. Togiai is a better pass catcher than the other guys, so he would represent a pretty well rounded option at TE.
      Oregon was thin last year, and are in worse shape this year.

      Advantage Oregon State (by a wide margin again)

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    • “Curious what makes them so much higher on oregon this year?”

      No kidding! Even with the swoosh influence, I expected the “experts” to have these two teams within, maybe, a single victory of each other.
      Thanks for starting this topic, after three days off the grid backpacking it was nice to come home to. Hopefully several others here will weigh in on your position by position analysis.

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  42. Receivers:

    Oregon has
    Sr. Charles Nelson
    So. Dillon Mitchell
    So. Malik Lovett
    Jr. Chayse Maday
    Fr. Alphonso Cobb
    Fr. Johnny Johnson
    Fr. Daewood Davis
    Jr. Casey Eugenio
    So. Alex Ofodile
    Fr. Jayon Redd
    So Kyle Buckner
    Fr. Darrian McNeal

    Oregon State has

    Sr. Jordan Villamin
    Sr. Xavier Hawkins
    Jr. Seth Collins
    Jr. Timmy Hernandez
    So. Trevon Bradford
    Fr. Kolby Taylor
    Fr. Connor Laverty-Walkon
    Fr. Tanner Walker-Walkon
    So. Koby Tripp-Walkon
    So. Andre Bodden-walkon (possible scholarship player?)
    Fr. Isaiah Hodgins
    Fr. Quantino Allen
    Fr. Arex Flemings
    Jr. Aaron Short

    Oregon really doesn’t have much to work with here. Charles Nelson is serviceable, but better as a special teams guy. Somebody will step up, but with the loss of Carrington, they are very thin at receiver and will need some of their freshman to fill some big shoes.
    Oregon State has experience. The loss of Jarmon to the MLB draft hurts, as I expected him to be one of the top 2 producers at this position for OSU this year, but Collins being available helps fill that void. Also, I think Hodgins plays a big role, and Kolby Taylor is a good candidate for a true freshman to take off the redshirt by mid season if there even is a need.

    Advantage Oregon State (by a pretty wide margin)

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    • Maybe the NCAA should examine “…how megaboosters want to act like like team owners and self promote through business tie-ins that result in ESPN drooling all over megabooster company and school.”

      Maybe the NCAA should examine “…how to stop SEC umpires with an agenda from calling a 2′ wide strike zone on one team in post-season play that gives SEC teams a great advantage…”

      Maybe the NCAA should examine “..how to be a consistent oversight body without being hypocritical, by cherry picking who they punish based more on money and ESPN exposure than actual offenses…”

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  45. O-line breakdown?

    LT: B Brandel, T Moore
    LG: G Lavaka, F Lauina
    C: S Houston, Y Demogerontas
    RG: K Delp, M Fifita
    RT: O Lutu-Clarke, J Sattelmaier

    ?

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    • Clay Cordasco should be part of the 2 deep I would think. Otherwise, why bring in a JC guy?
      Mackay and Wellsfry would likely redshirt. Montibon is a JC guy, but I’m still not sure if he is even eligible to play this season. Have had conflicting info on that.

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    • Forgot Cordasco and Mackay. They could disrupt the two-deep as proposed. Cordasco looks like a brawler. I don’t know where he fits in. Mackay has a ton of upside on either edge. A redshirt year would give him time to smooth out the rough edges. I think Lutu-Clarke is much smoother and technical and steps into an early role because of that.

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    • I think OL is an area where oregon has a distinct advantage over OSU. They return 5 starters, the rest of their 2 deep has experience with the team from last year. Plus they added one of OSUs top juco OL targets in George Moore, who could potentially start during the season. Alex Forsyth was also a nice freshman prospect for them. I would expect them to have one of the better O lines in the Pac next year.
      For Oregon State, OLine is my biggest position of concern going into the season.

      Advantage oregon

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      • Agree, OL is my biggest concern as well. Even more than QB and that is saying a lot.

        Ah yes, Alex Forsyth. I’m sure someone on this board was a neighbor and lobbied him to join OSU, really disappointed that he went south.

        Any news on chances for Kearsley to return?

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        • OL play will determine the season. How did it get to the point where we need DT to play center?Starting five should be OK, but any injuries and things get dicey.

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          • I think Kearsley and Yanni were headed towards being centers this year, but after Kearsley left the team, Houston moved over and played well enough to possibly be the new starter.
            He looked pretty capable at the spring game, even though the spring game is really not even close to full speed.

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      • OL will be much improved even over last year. Strength and time does that. Consider the time these guys have had with Coach Woods. Going into year 3 of a different coaching mindset than bear-crawls and blocking on your heels can reveal a different type of learning curve. Not to mention improvement that we aren’t used to seeing.
        I think the line play for both sides of the ball will continue to improve because Coach A is demanding it and not just giving lip service to the idea.

        As far as UO and their line, I’ll wait and see. A return to the mean is the gift from last year’s debacle for NikeU. The impact is a refreshing updated view from officials on the field that called games at a more consistent manner. The cache and mirage of “UofO” is gone. If Nikegon can’t hold downfield, or get away with holds on the line, or cheat the clock, or cheat with substitutions etc, they aren’t unstoppable. They are now trying to revive a reputation that cost millions upon millions to purchase and Helf wrecked it in a matter of 3 years. They won’t be climbing that mountain again, and I think they will be faced with that reality this year.
        The rise for UofO was due to:
        1)Chip finding a slight of hand way to play within the rules but pushing the edge,
        2) Chip’s methods confounded referees and opponents, giving them an advantage within games because of pressure on the officials to keep up the pace
        3)Pressure from ESPN to hype them due to Nike, and
        4)Mass amounts of self promotion as the cutting edge in fashion,
        5)Nike ownership
        6)Reputation and fear in the minds of opponents, many games were lost to them based on this alone

        As I see it, #1-2 aren’t in play anymore. Everyone has caught up. #3 ESPN hypes them but they’ve lost the luster of past years, and UofO is not a true Blue Blood. #4 Continues but is more of a mockery and joke, no longer edgy. #5 Is the big conflict that should get them in actual trouble but won’t. #6 No more reputation when everybody takes turns punching you in the face for a whole season.

        Conclusion: WT has a big task and it will fail before he has begun. The expectation that they will reach a NC game again, let alone win it all is the fuse to the powder keg. UofO athletics has an entitled mindset from top to bottom, including bandwagon fans. But this expectation was built on a faulty foundation of #1-6 above, things outside of the control of the present coaching staff which are not going to be repeated.

        Coach A has built a tough foundation with his guys enduring frustration and small victories. He is expressing the things we all wanted to hear for years, and then going through the actual process of how to truly bring it all about. Whether the Beavers ever get to a NC game, Rose Bowl, or even the Playoffs, I know that it isn’t being done through smokescreens, borderline cheating, outside influences, or hubris.
        I would like to experience the season(s) where other teams are intimidated, fearful and mentally have lost to the Beavs before they even step on the field. Of the 6 above, this is the one I would enjoy as a fan. Duck fans no longer have it, even if they think they do with the new staff. It will take time, which they may not be patient enough to wait for after all of their success. I’m willng to wait for it and trust Coach A to do it.

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        • A big part of uofo’s rise was USC being on sanctions while UW was also going through some pretty crappy years. That allowed Stanford and Oregon to take control of the conference for a period.
          Winning the Pac now is a taller order than it was 4-8 years ago

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  47. QB News (?):
    “Nall was on the show Thursday and all but confirmed that Luton is the starter. No announcement but it’s his job to lose is 100% the vibe”
    Per tweet from Brandon Sprague. Anyone catch “the show”?

    OTOH, Jim Wilson recently tweeted: “OSU Football opens @ CSU, PSU & Minnesota at home, @ WSU. Great opportunity; not a ‘preseason.’ Makes incumbent Marcus McM man to beat at QB”

    So, let the QB speculation begin (continue).

    Seems Jim Wilson would have a dispassionate, analytical view, while Nall would be in touch with the emotions of the team. I guess.

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        • I’d like to be supremely optimistic too, but picking the least mobile QB, when the OL is unproven, makes that difficult.

          This years team has a lot of strengths, solid D (sure, some questions at DB), and an offense with plenty of playmakers in both the passing and rushing game. Seems what is needed at QB is not necessarily a terrific arm, but an experienced decision maker who is familiar with the playbook and has the ability to react to OL breakdowns and to scramble when needed. Add to that a demonstrated ability to run the draw occasionally.

          McM seems the safer bet to me, at this point. Luton seems like a gamble; a slim chance at a bigger payoff.

          I’m afraid that McM’s quiet nature is viewed as a reason to expect that Luton will be the better emotional team leader. I suspect that (and the Keaton history) is why GA may take the gamble.

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    • Keeping the starting QB a mystery helps prevent CSU from scouting us for game 1. They can prepare for McMaryion, so telling them Luton is the guy could possibly be a red herring.

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  49. Looks like the players are requirwd to show up for the first time today. Practice starts Tuesday. Who are the guys we had availability questions about?
    Craig Evans is a big one.
    I see that Isaac Garcia is on the official roster already.
    Anybody else?

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  50. Dionte Sykes is the only casualty that I am aware of and that was before LOI day. Josh Bowcut is in Oregon State’s directory, even though the information out there is he was going to serve a mission.

    Just saw that Bowcut started his mission July 11th to Tuscon, Arizona per his twitter feed.

    Craig Evans is the only recruit not on the Oregon State directory as far as I can tell.

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  51. Old side of Reser is unacceptable in the Year 2017. Should habe been upgraded nearly 15 years ago. Barnes needs to rebuild it in next 2-3 years tops. Can’t think of another P5 program with half their stadium in a similar condition. It reminds me of Maine’s or Yale’s stadium. Get some renderings out Barnes. Beaver Nation would like to be able to provide input before plans are finalized.

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      • Speaking of eyesores. What have they done with the faded orange roof on the VFC. The strip mall roof. Paint? Banner?

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        • Per renderings from 1.5 years ago they were supposed to paint it white or replace with a white roof and have a decent sized beaver logo on it. That was much better than the current faded orange but who knows when it will happen. Hopefully by next season. Should have been by this season but priorities/attitudes seem too laid back. Barnes really needs to take a project by the horns. Let Beaver Nation know he isn’t in cruise control. Complacent thinking is what led to Riley’s exit.

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  53. Matt Boyd pitched a nice game today against the Twins. 8 SO’s and 3 walks. He was hitting 95 mph consistently. Didn’t he max out at 90 at OSU?

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  55. Watching season 2 of Last Chance U on Netflix. Derrick Odum is in one of the shots visiting EMCC while he was still at OSU.

    It’s also not difficult to see why Brittany Wagner quit her job there.

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