Something that hasn't been mentioned is that people (and hence Universities) tend to lead lifestyles that match their income. You don't see Donald Trump or Bill Gates driving Chevettes, you know?
Well, this afternoon I came across an article saying Kyle Wittingham gave his DC a $225,000 raise. But that's not it. He gave his OC a $105,000 raise. Tosh Lupoi received a $340,000 increase to move to Washington. Mike Leach got 2 mil from Washington State. Keith Heyward probably got 100k more.
You can see the pattern.
Point being, coaches will be after these windfall profits. OSU didn't pay Keith Heyward, and he moved on. Expect to see more musical chairs as coaches follow the money. This is a normal phenomena and natural human behavior, but realize that while 22mil seems like a lot, it will go fast if everyone expects their cut. I suppose Riley's 1mil salary is his one benefit. Probably a good "value" that should allow the AD to focus on building/projects.
Agree, Beaver football is like walmart. Were rolling back prices to build large buildings with mediocre products.
Well the intent is to upgrade our buildings right?
I am off topic here, but got hd.net up for the beaver games. bikini barber shop- excellent programing,
Just wait till thursday night (pretty sure that the night) It’s great programming.
Don’t let wives catch on though.
I don’t know what this is sweetie it just came on after basketball.
That Mark Cuban is full of great ideas.
Is Heyward not being offered more from OSU confirmed or just assumed?
I’m not sure if it’s been confirmed but he’s making 150K at UW. I don’t remember exactly what his salary at OSU was but I don’t think that’s a very big increase. Maybe it really wasn’t about the money for Heyward.
Heyward was making $105K after a $16K bonus kicked in.
I think we’re paying Perry $200K. ?
It’s not that we couldn’t pay Heyward the money. It’s that his experience and abilities did not have the same value at OSU as they do at UW. We just wouldn’t pay a guy who has yet to prove he can coach what he will make at UW to just recruit. Cal was the same with Lupoi.
The only proven value Sark got was Wilcox and some great recruiters. Maybe that will save his hide. I personally don’t think so.
Without looking it up, I thought I read somewhere Perry was getting150k this year and 200 next year with a 25k retention bonus, if he stays the extra year.
Seems this was more a stop gap for Riley than a real ‘plan.’
I understand it’s ‘angry beavs’, but do things have to be fabricated in an attempt to make Riley look inept?
Not at all, but I guess you can do it if you really want to. Just be prepared for someone to correct you with anything from some loose sarcasm to unresponsive, smarmy conceit to ironic allegory.
OT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoMyLNvK_QU
Hmm his take on recruiting kind of scares me as to how well he’ll be able to just jump right in.
OT again: My favorite quote from the Peoria paper on tonights matchup:
Western and Oregon State do have one common opponent this season. WIU lost at Illinois-Chicago while Oregon State beat UIC in Pulman, Ore.
WHERE?
LOL … thats great, thanks!
….what could be worse than Pullman, WA?? …why, Pulman, OR!!
Another example of top flight journalism.
Angry, you’re right, coaches will follow the money.
The sad part I fear OSU will continually be behind the eight ball.
Corvallis is not bright lights/big city, doesn’t have a winning tradition, ie doesn’t have a real identity as a football mecca, may be more difficult to recruit to, and thus, will have to pay top dollar for quality coaches and recruiting staff, OR…
OSU will have to try to merely keep pace on pay as the other schools, and with pay being equal candidates are more likely to select a bigger name/bigger venue and OSU may have to settle for second tier coaching and continued second tier results.
OJ, I think you’ve described the current challenge pretty well. But, we shouldn’t settle for status quo.
Last night Pat Casey was on the radio and, to me, sounded like an AD in waiting. He referenced nearly every other sports program at OSU in a positive and realistic light. Some of what he said may be part of a “schtick” but I’m a believer, things like the need to “surrender to the team”, as in “individuals win games but teams win championships”, things like “the players (by their performance) make it easy to fill out a lineup card”. He pointed out that you can make excuses and wind up around .500 or take action/solve problems and do better.
There will always be talented coaches who need to build their resume or who like the lifestyle of Corvallis; for example, if Jonathan Smith wants to be a HC one day he needs time as an OC first (hope he doesn’t get the chance at BSU!). These kinds of coaches can and will come to Corvallis IF the AD and HC stop settling for status quo, its not impossible.
Winning cures a lot of ills and DeCareless won’t be AD much longer. Riley will either get focused and start winning or, as mentioned here before, will retire before his contract expires. Things CAN get better than you’ve described, I think thats why many participate in this forum. But, yeah, it is frustrating and the money aspect is another challenge.
If you’re talking about football coaching I think many folks would strongly disagree that they are 2nd tier. Seems like most of our coaches have NFL experience and you don’t really get to that level by faking it.
I think you missed my point, although my post was pretty disjointed.
What I said was “OSU may have to settle for second tier coaching and continued second tier results” that was meant going forward. However, if you’d like to talk about today, I’d love to hear your take on the great results this group has given us the last three years.
I would never put Langsdorf/Banker in the upper echelon of college coaches. Ex NFL coach Perry who was just hired committed to essentially a one year deal, not sure how that helps the Beavs long term. I like Riley and he is a relatively bargain priced head coach but not top tier either.
Top tier means recruiting better talent. Top tier means bowl games. Top tier means winning.
Look at this group of coaches and their results and I think many folks would strongly disagree that they are anything but 2nd tier.
We should consult Helmsley on the faking part.
Bullshit. There are a bunch of podunk towns and schools that do well in getting coaches and recruiting great talent.. Corvallis is no worse, and maybe better, than some of them.
That is just a crutch used by those willing to setlle for second rate, and by coaches who cant do the recruiting.
That said, the school now has new tv revenue with which to keep pace in payroll, so that isnt an excuse either.
In short, there is NO reason OSU cant be a top tier football program. But it may, thru apathy, chose to be second tier…..or third tier…. or….
Or by choosing to make excuses rather than solving problems.
I think it’s pretty clear that the principal beneficiaries of all the “new money” in college sports is the coaching fraternity. Secondarily, it will help with the construction of facilities. What this means from a practical fans’ perspective is that the pressure on coaches to win will rise incrementally; at least at most places. Don’t know about OSU. The trend is already clear that Beav fans are likely to see benefit in the form of maintaining the current roster of sports, possibly a modest expansion, and capital for new or remodeled facilities.