6pm on Pac-12 Networks.
This is a good time to discuss ticket pricing, too. Are they too expensive? If so, we should put together a letter for the AD. They need to know these types of things. This is an exciting team, and fans still aren’t going to the games. It’s bad. I think our economy is much worse than the media is leading on, so that could be part of it, so if it is, the AD needs to hear from the fans. They should put 2 and 2 together and figure it out for themselves, but we know this AD has historically been very slow to grasp basics.
Tinkle is asking fans to come to the game on Twitter, which is just sad. We might lose Tinkle if there’s no support even when he has a good team. If I were a coach, I wouldn’t want to coach for a fanbase who doesn’t show up.
Go Beavs
We should be able to beat a team that is playing their 7th game in 12 days.
Wonder if Cheik contributes?
That dude’s worthless. Can’t believe CR said he’d be a future lottery pick.
When I was on campus during the Fiesta bowl year, attendance at early to mid-season football games was dismal. We were winning, but it was just a matter of time before the rug got pulled out from us…or so the general SB consensus seemed to be. Our basketball fans are weary, just like the football fans were before that breakthrough. And just like that football season, I suspect that the crowds will start to grow with each win. Give it a few games…Gill be will rocking soon.
Cant wait for the fans to get on this and Gill to be rockin once again. I was at such games back in the day, and it was a wonderful thing.
GO BEAVS!!!
For perspective, the UCSB tickets were $14 and parking $4 for all day. The cost of living in SB is much higher than Corvallis, and there are a lot of rich folks. Even at that price, the Thunderdome was not even half full.
Really, a basketball game should not be more than $10 for general admission
Wait… don’t students get in for free?
Well… fees and blah blah… but essentially free.
So you can’t get in as a student by just showing your student ID? When did that change?
My bad, but just makes the poor attendance even more embarrassing. OSU lists enrollment at ~25k. Tinkle has to beg to get 4,600 of them to show up for a game when the price is free?
You might have a point unstated.
Are the bleacher seats above reserved for paying customers now?
Answer to my question: No
http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/orst/graphics/tickets/gillColiseum_2010_MB.jpg
There’s the other part of the problem. Let the paying public compete with students for the blue areas by releasing tickets to students a couple days before a game. If someone hasn’t bought tickets for the Saturday game by the end of the Thursday night game, let the students have them for free.
To compound issues, looking at the official site tells me students can’t even get tickets until an hour before tip-off.
That’s bonkers.
Maybe you can do that for courtside. But let those left out of the courtside rush get into the best open seat available. Screw walk-ups. If you want to get in a game as a walk-up, be in line when the gates open.
Ticket prices are fine. The problem is that football donors get hoops seats.
Really? How does that work?
You might be right. I buy single game or packages because there’s enough in my life that things like birthdays and games and friends occupy many competing dates. So I don’t know if AD donors get to cherry pick all the good seats before newcomers come along… anymore. That’s the way it used to be. If that’s not the case, I’m sure those people got to grandfather their seats into the new deal. And $350 or so is a great deal if life was just about me.
As it is, I still paid some $300. So maybe it’s a little bit about me sometimes. :)
I am trying to think back to when I was in college and when everyone left town for Thanksgiving. I would think a lot of students have already left. On the other hand, I would have probably stuck around an extra day if we had a decent team.
Tickets for the non seat backs shouldn’t be more than $15-$20 for non conference. $25 for conference games.
Students are in for free. Hard to say when students are leaving campus. But with a larger student body now, there should be plenty around to attend the game.
The athletic dept needs to market tickets to people who live in the surrounding areas, the ones who can make the games after work easily. Discount tickets for fans who live in the Linn, Benton, Polk, and Marion counties for weekday games. Not individual tickets but a family or group package.
Fans in Portland or anyone who are an hour away will only make weekend games.
Good teams in high population centers get a big turnout. Teams have to be really good to get a high turnout in low population centers. The Beavs are getting there, and we’re still in the non con schedule.
How many people even live in the Corvallis area, outside of students?
The majority of football fans come down from PDX, which works ok on a Saturday, especially when coupled with tailgating. Making it down on a Tuesday after work is a little more effort than the average bball fan will go through, especially if the game is televised.
I agree with GWH above. As the wins pile up, and as it becomes more apparent this is a good team, more and more people will show up. Especially for the Pac-12 games. Most fans see Valpo on the schedule and figure it’s just a crappy place filler on the schedule. Die hard fans know better, but there just aren’t that many die hard fans out there.
The women’s team draws some pretty good crowds these days, but that didn’t start until after they became a nationally ranked team.
That drive is nice (love Rt 20), though maybe not at night…
An hour and a half is not a big deal to me, but I’ve done five cross country road trips, some of which were 7k miles in two weeks. Maybe the average person doesn’t like driving as much. But I’d view 1.5hrs as a breeze.
Even on a work night, you’re still asleep by 11. Not a big deal.
An hour and a half is how long it took me to walk uphill… in the driving rainy snow… to school… both ways.
Us Central Oregon folks…not really feasible over the pass today/tonight.
You’re talking more than 1.5 hours and snow on mountain passes. Survival instincts have to kick in at some point.
Yes, even though I have season tickets, I’m watching this one on TV. Went to get my daughter earlier today and what a mess the roads are!
BTW – I’m in Section K of the graphic posted above. $199/seat and my feet are on the court (Row 1)! This is the price throughout Tinkle’s 4-year plan.
$199/seat for 18 games is $11.06 per game.
Those are good seats. I need to investigate for singles. I’m sure there are few multiple seats available at that price.
We have been looking for a place in the Beaverton/Westside area and most of the ones in our lower price range have tons of work to do or get bought up 15-20 K over asking price. We are looking at least getting further down the 217 (currently at where 217/26 meet). I would love to move to Wilsonville to completely miss the traffic of 217 and be within 90 minutes of Corvallis, but the wife works in the Beaverton school district and doesn’t want the commute.
I drove up from EUgene today and it would have been nice to just go to the game on the way home but it meant getting home at 10pm and not seeing the family. Also, the drive is horrible and not fun at night so the weekday games are hard to attend.
I did buy some Far West Classic tickets today though and plan on going to that. I also may buy some Conference games tickets for the weekend. The Pac12 tourney looks doable too.
Looks like tickets are $20-30 for conference games. No way I would pay that. $10-15 max.
I agree. Prices seem double what they should be. I haven’t paid attention to prices over the years, so I’m not sure if this is an increase to pay for all the new facilities or what. I was thinking 7 to 9 bucks for out of conference and 15 for conference. I’m not sure fans will turn out even when the team is clearly good at the current prices.
Really? $20-30 seems totally reasonable to me. What team charges less than that? I think I paid $7-15 in 1990.
Well it’s a basketball team that hasn’t made the tournament in 25 years, and they’re charging $25-30?
That price is fine if demand is high, but demand is very low. So it makes no sense, evidenced by nobody showing up. If they were smart, they’d lower the price significantly, fill out Gill, generate some buzz, and then raise prices when there’s actual demand and a good product.
If someone is 50/50 about going, the current ticket prices will likely turn them off. Were ticket prices 25 to 30 during CR era? If so it’s amazing anyone went.
Bingo!…”…if demand is high.”
Look at baseball, $20 seats almost always sold out. Good weather (?), a winning product, capacity less than Gill; whatever the reason, demand is high vs. capacity and the seats sell.
Heck, there are even free outfield standing room spots at some baseball games (all?). Now, that’s not likely for basketball, but lowering prices to fill Gill and create buzz makes sense. WT is doing his part, now the “ideation” folks in the AD need to do theirs.
$28 for chair backs or $18 for bench seats. Last year was $25 chair $15 bench so they raised prices this year.
You’re right that 1.5 Hours is not bad, but you also don’t/haven’t lived here for a while. Traffic is getting progressively worse by the month as Portland in now the most moved to destination in the country. If you leave Portland headed for Corvallis anywhere from 4:00 – 6:00 I bet it’ll take an hour and a half (maybe more) to get through Salem. So you’re actually talking 2+ hours.
Weather is like 38 and raining, which traffic aside makes it a miserable drive.
Thanksgiving week means prepping for family, trying to get work done so you can duck out early tomorrow to help around the house… It’s a tough night for a game.
The real questions is how many students are showing up? Enrollment is said to be around 28K now. Students need to step up.
Just trying to be realistic. Need people around the valley to step up, as it’ll be tough to get anyone up from Portland.
*Edit: One of the Highest Moved too destinations*
Don’t forget out Lebanon and Sweet Home contingent.
*our
Where did you see Portland is the fastest growing city? I looked that up, found several lists, and Portland didn’t even make the top 20.
I was up there in March of ’14! So it hasn’t been that long. We actually were scouting out Portland for a possible move, but my lady hated the weather/gloom. I think that would keep many people out, so wondering where this fastest growing city info is coming from.
But to your point, it is a tough drive given it’s dark at 5 now and if it’s raining, etc. Valid. I’d do it, but I’m a psycho and love to drive…I guess I need to remind myself most people are normal.
Anyone with kids in Portland is never going to make a weekday game.
I5 is just awful. Bottleneck at Wilsonville everyday.
Exactly. I love to drive, but when a typically 90 minute drive takes 120 plus minutes, I don’t love it. Especially after work and with work the next morning. F that. I’ll watch tv
http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/08/real_estate/oregon-moving/
A lot of the lists are “Best Places to Move To” which I don’t think Portland is unless you want ot be a barista.
That stupid “Portlandia” show has convinced people to move here in droves. My parents were traveling in Australia at the beginning of the year. In a bar in the middle of nowhere the bar tender found out they were in Portland, she freaked out, and said her and her boyfriend were saving up to move here for no reason other then the show made it look awesome. I’ve met people from Ireland, and England out an about who moved for the same reason.
My wife owns her own real estate brokerage, and the housing market is flooded with Tech people moving from San Fran, DC, other places around the country with higher real estate prices. It’s almost impossible to purchase a home for Oregon Natives, because out of state cash will just drop 50K over asking price in a blink.
I think the barista thing is a stereotype. There’s a lot of decent jobs in pdx. The appeal to move to Portland was strong in 1994 when I moved from Indiana to Eugene. Several people in my hometown moved to Portland at the same time because it was known as a cool place back then. People like to bitch about real estate prices, but that just happens with demand.
It was 1/2 a joke. But we’re now also know as one of the Foodie capitals of the US too. Was in New York last year and probably had 10+ different waiters tell me they wanted to get out to Portland just to check out the restaurant scene. Was strange seeing willamette valley wines on the menus at $80.00 a bottle and many high end restaurants.
We’ve got Nike and Adidas World Headquarters, Under Armor, Intel, Weiden Kennedy, Google now outside of Hood River, HP in Vancouver. There are a lot of good jobs.
As Portland born and raised, it’s just still strange to me to see tourists from Japan, France, Italy, all over the globe really walking up and down NW 23rd in the summer taking in the sights.
I actually like it as I love Portland and understand why people move here. The increased traffic is a pain in the ass though.
It sucks a lot more when you are born and raised in Oregon and you can’t afford to live I your home State. But if you come from out of State it would seem like “bitching” I’m sure.
I don’t quite get this notion that locals can’t afford Portland or other towns. Is that just a reference to housing costs? It still seems affordable to me and there’s plenty if people moving in without a huge wad of cash like the bay area people. That former group ends up buying a place, too.
To anyone who dislikes housing costs:
Prop 13 begat Measure 5
I think it is a well known fact that the State of Oregon as a whole, has property value that is exceeding what Oregon’s job Market has to offer. I have lived in Bend on and off since 04′ and I know that the housing has gone up here by 40% since 11′. I used to rent a 1/2 acre 3/2 home for $1100. Now I am paing $1850 for the middle unit of a Triplex. I am fortunate enough to be able to cover this increase, but I know many true “locals” cannot. Portland has a that issue as well and the problem is the rest of the State looks to see what Portland is doing. I have lived in Santa Barbara as well, so when coming from a place that is already expensive, Oregon seems cheap, which it was. But now it is the most moved to State in the Union and Oregon prices unfortunetly are going to just keep pricing out Oregonians IMO.
Housing prices are in a bubble and unsustainable without opening the borders even more so and allowing global inflow. Like all bubbles housing will require constant increase in the bid and that’s not going to happen with the average Joe unable to afford current mortgages (historic lows no less). So they will crash barring massive opening of boarders (which we are seeing to a degree as foreign cash buyers are the largest home buyers in the US). Blackrock bought a lot of property, and banks are keeping all their ’08 busts off the market/selling them one at a time to get max price. They refuse to mark to market. So instead they find a rich foreign buyer who can actually afford it since Americans can’t. Of course, all markets are different, but if you stick in Portland you will likely find your house worth a million soon but with Saudi and Chinese neighbors. Which is cool if you’re down with that. Another sad reality of current monetary policy (i.e. this continuation to avoid the 08 collapse) is that Wall St hedge funds bought all the rentals and are becoming/will be America’s new landlords.
Smart money should buy homes in the midwest and south because that’s where Americans will be flocking within 10 years, not Portland.
Tlingit, I worked in Bend/Redmond back in 2002 and Bend had the biggest disparity between upper class and lower class income wise as any place I’ve ever seen. And that was almost 15 years ago. Portland sucks and you couldn’t pay me to live in that cesspool. Traffic sucks, don’t even get me started on the borderline retarded hipsters. There’s a reason some refer to it as North San Francisco. Coolest city on earth is self proclaimed
A big problem in Bend is that they built almost zero apartments for about ten years, and now the vacancy rate is less than 1%. $500K homes are what’s selling, so $500k homes are what’s being built.
Oh, and no one will be flocking to the midwest. People will always want to live on the West coast no matter what. That demand will always be there.
Of course they will want to. People also want to live in castles in the Hamptons, but they don’t…
You can either listen to me or not, no skin off my back, but that’s what will happen over time.
This is true and that show totally sucks. I live in SW and work downtown – unfortunately. The place is riddled with wannabe hipsters and traffic has become horrific. PDX salaries suck relative to most other large cities and I don’t understand where all of the young people come up with the cash to live in inner SE and eat at all of the overpriced foodie restaurants. They can’t possibly be living within their means.
I love it when out-of-towners ask me if I hang out at places like Apex on SE Division, like it’s some kind of utopia. Hell no, I don’t hang out with a bunch of tatooed and bearded idiots wearing flannel shirts and skinny jeans and pay $8 for a 16-oz non-pint of Pliny the Elder just because everybody else thinks its cool.
You’re assuming those crazy kids don’t have reasonable jobs, and if you ditch your car you’re saving $4 to $6K a year. That’s a lot of Boneyard Hop Venom.
Selling drugs helps too…..haha
Keep Portland Weird! On every bagel shop…
lol.
The hipsters have ruined that town. They’re in the process of migrating to Detroit due to “cheap” houses (we’ll see if they can afford those once they realize what Detroit taxes are…)
Pot is legal now so that income will be drying up rather quickly
I think in general, there’s not a whole lot of buzz surrounding the basketball team among students, and frankly, I’m not even sure most know that basketball season has started. At least that’s the sense I get on campus. That could change some now that there aren’t any home football games left.
I for one though, am excited about the Beavs chances this basketball season, and will be contributing my butt to seat tonight, along with as many home games as I can.
I’ve been to two of the three home games this year. I can confirm that student attendance has been pretty good so far. Could it be better? Absolutely. I can confirm that basketball is not an “event” amongst the general student body at this point.
The bigger problem to me is the long time season tickets holders sitting in the lower bowl (and very visible on TV) who don’t show up and don’t give their tickets to somebody who would use them. Way, way too many empty orange seats. BTW, a good portion of these fans are retired.
I’m fortunate to live within 15 minutes of Gill so I can get there pretty easily otherwise for us working folk it would be tough to get to a 6pm game. These week-day, non-conference games are dependent on students and the local area for attendance and we’re seeing what that looks like right now. If it doesn’t get better after the wins keep coming and conference games roll around then it’s a legitimate problem.
Part of “creating a buzz” is showing seats filled on TV. There should be no excuse for not fixing that problem. Move camera location, or even give away seats (buy 1 get 2?) in the section shown on TV. Hell, I’m not a marketer or even an “ideation” specialist……there have to be other ways to fix this.
The problem is the quality of college hoops has fallen so far from the quality of the NBA that people just aren’t that interested. Most of the players nowadays are essentially still high schoolers so there’s just too many missed shots/free throws and dumb mistakes. People won’t start coming to games until conference season starts. No ones gonna pay to watch a game against Valparaiso right before thanksgiving until the Beavs start making noise on a national stage. I wouldn’t be worried about Tinkle leaving because there’s only a few jobs that have a crazy bball fan base and those jobs are the tippy top ones in the country
I’d say the quality of college hoops has gotten better over time relative to itself.
It has. But there are still cupcakes. And people don’t have any motivation to see their team either beat up on one or win close or even lose. The product is key… that and the football donor holdovers who don’t attend. There should be a gift-back system where they know they’re not going to attend or give the tix to someone, so they give it back to the AD and it gets resold at face value.
Even the college coaches say the players are worse, as is the quality of play. They may be able to run faster and jump higher, but the fundamental skills are awful. B1G Network had a great series with current and former coaches with ties to the conference talking about these things over dinners last year. They all said the basketball is worse than twenty years ago.
I guess it depends on how you define worse. My take is that any top ten team in 2015 would demolish any top ten team in the mid eighties on both ends of the court.
I don’t think so as of now. I see what you’re saying. As Bill says below, rule changes are making the game more like they were at that time. But the quality of coaches who taught to that method was better. The quality of teams and players who bought into that method was better. The mean athleticism hasn’t risen enough to warrant a wave at now v. then.
Tom Izzo, Bill Self and others disagree. They went on about how hard it is to find consistent jump shooters and how kids play all the AAU/ all star ball and never learn/ practice fundamentals. Dunking and three point shooting are what get highlights, so nobody works on a solid midrange game. The guys in the short shorts were much better overall players and they actually played together for a few years.
I think the rule changes have really contributed to how players approach the game today. More athletic players combined with a restriction area causes more drives to the basket. Players don’t have to be as reliant on a jump shot because they can attack the rim and draw fouls. That means more isolation plays. Add in a three point line and there’s no reason to shoot jump shots.
Fans have contributed to the quality issue more than anyone. They don’t want to see a low scoring defensive battle with crisp teamwork looking working for a high percentage shot. They want run and gun offenses. They want the star of the team to get the ball.
Fun to compare eras but unless they are playing with the same rules, it’s hard to make a decent comparison.
Add in a three point line and there’s no reason to shoot jump shots.
That right there loses in the now v. then argument. You’re right. The trey is viewed as a more desirable shot than the mid-range. But the mid-range is what keeps you in games, wins games… destroys the opponent. If you can make a 10 foot jumper with a hand in your face, you are already better than trey guy who is at the end of a whip-around.
I know there are sites dedicated to the trey being more cost effective. Think of it as the idea that never punting on fourth down is better. When you forget lines, you become a better player… except the foul line.
Btw… only Golden State is proving all that wrong… in the history of hoops. The rest of the NBA relies on making solid shots when open. That means you take and make when you have what is given. Golden State just has a bunch of guys who can take at will.
I wonder who their GM is. I wonder if the Buss family knows who he is.
20 years is about the cut-off. But hoops is better than it was 19 years ago. By that I mean there was an extreme drop-off once one and done became a rule and AAU started to rule. Being flashy for personal gain became the norm. Coaches are a cause as much as they are victims. The best players don’t always fit in your system, but you always have in the back of your mind that the best players are who you want in order to win.
There’s a certain point where taking your B choice is better for you as a coach because your A choice would ruin your system. I know it takes a great coach to handle one-n-dun talent and egos and all the turnover and such. But when you’re not one of those coaches you need to recruit to your own strengths and make a team. You can’t recruit athleticism and count on it to match up with athleticism at just the right times.
This is why I love love love Ben Kone. He has all the athleticism AND all the brains… and he loves sweet rides. He will be a cog in a machine as much as he will shine.
I watched Vandy dismantle St. John’s yesterday, and they are really sharp right now. Given Stallings is a regimental type, that’s not surprising. It’s a very Mark Few type team now. Vandy has a bunch of players who are smart as a whip, and it shows. But I don’t peg any one of them as an NBA talent.
Teo’s son plays for Mullen, btw. Walton had some very nice things to say about OSU hoops in the way back when.
NBA is pretty much unwatchable for me. Individual abilities are high, but the three tier referee-call. system (all-star>established journeyman>rookie or a nobody) has about as much integrity as the WWF and it hurts the game and the product for me.
There are some guys who I think respect the game so much they transcend these limitations and their era (e.g. Durant), but the overall context is too compromised for me to invest any real time invest to watching it.
I agree regarding foul calls… and rampant travelling. A violation should be a violation, period.
But they are few enough (or watered down) in the regular season to make it worthy of viewing. The play-offs are when it gets maddening. And the habits set in the regular season are what rule the ply-offs.
But it’s also the same as the NFL. The play is so superior that one level isn’t even comparable to the other.
time to go.
buh bye for now.
I wonder, excessively, why the new AD, the department, or even people on the mbb staff can’t sort this out.
No worries, if Jack gets that ideation position things will turn around, even faster than FB!
I already have ideas about ideation.
Off topic, but thought this was funny…
Riker Kasamoto ?@thesportsexpert 1h1 hour ago
Who created the #WTFOSU hashtag? It’s so stupid. Most people would read it as What the F*** instead of What to Fix. @oregonstateuniv
https://twitter.com/thesportsexpert/status/669254780905062400
Reminds me of Ray’s story about deciding to change the OSU domain name because he was driving down the highway and saw www.orst.edu on a billboard.
LOL
i can’t make weekday games, but happy to give up my seats if there was an easy process to transfer without paying the $3 fee each time. Maybe the AD can fix that.
Kevin Hampton ?@HamptonKevin 3h3 hours ago
Seth Collins with quite a few reps at receiver todsy..looked comfortable running routes and catching ball #gtsports #gobeavs
I scanned the thread to see if anyone posted this, but didn’t see it.
Way to Go Coach Tinkle!
https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12279227_10153300408451801_7439499988831963629_n.jpg?oh=05a9a62684daa3671a193d588d7abd81&oe=56F484B7
it was in the twitter feed last night and might’ve been posted in the previous thread……………
No Gomis tonight. Maybe next week against LMU
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/11/daniel_gomis_probably_another.html
Stuck a poll up in the twitter feed to see what reasons are keeping people from attending tonight’s game. Please take a moment to vote, just to get a large sample.
I know there are more reasons than the 4 listed, but that’s the max twitter allows so hopefully there’s a best fit.
https://twitter.com/BeavRecruiting/status/669312059436236801
You didn’t have ‘Weather’ as one of the choices so I had to vote ‘Distance’.
2.5 hour drive (one way) over the Cascade Range so I am staying home this time due to the nasty weather.
I don’t think anyone wants me bringing my youngest son who was still vomiting this morning so I had to unload my tix via Craigslist at a loss. Otherwise we’d be there. I plan on getting tix for either the LMU or Nevada games but I’ll wait until the day of this time so I know we’re all well. I don’t have Twitter so I can’t vote. Sorry coach, I tried but we’re gonna have to sit this one out
Damn:
Beavers are 4-0. Last time Oregon State started 5-0? 1986 when @GaryPayton_20 was a freshman. #gobeavs
I love twitter. FB is so useless.
I posted that in a previous thread
I stopped using FB because it was making me sad. And, most all of the posts are people posting other peoples stuff.
Agreed FB is terrible and all self serving garbage, but twitter has some utility/news and the best live search engine. I use it because it has utility [other than bragging/pretending your life is great or anyone cares about you drinking a slurpee]
Interestingly enough I mostly use facebook for keeping track of friends from the Marines. My squadron has a page and I can bs with guys I lost track of 15 years ago.
Swing with the Wing!
Honestly, I would say it’s the other way around.
Huge Tinkle fan since watching his Montana teams. I’m telling you, look out for this team in 5-7 years!
The game will be a good test and hopefully the Beavers win enough of their games this year for tonight to end up as a quality win for Valpo.
Theres just no way Valpo gets swept on the Oregon trip. The Valpo coach’s brother is the Baylor coach so family of elite coaches.
5-7 years!? He probably won’t even be at OSU then. More like next year, but even this year they might make the tourney. Definitely an NIT team here at worst.
CR was here for that long and qualified for and won CBI his first year.
Sacrilege, I know, but we currently have no real proof that Tinkle will likely do much better than CR. Not saying he won’t.
CR took a 13-18 team to an invite because most other schools thought it was still a sketchy business model. He knew the people who ran the business, so he had enough trust in their model to take part in it. And he wanted the extra practice time.
Tinks declined any postseason invites below NIT because he can drive the offseason better than CR could. Part of that is that Tinks inherited a much much much better situation. But another is that we only had six playing plus N’Diaye. Our legs were dead.
Eubanks is probably the team MVP so far (maybe Payton, but Payton is probably more replaceable). Disrupted the first 3 valpo shots and also a block and steal.
Eubanks another block on a fast break. incredible.
Doesn’t look like Tinkle got this 4,600 based on the TV. Sounds fairly loud, though
Just about to turn the game on, but don’t have a good feeling about this one. Valpo probably wins a close one.
beavs are not guarding the 3 point line!
Eubanks is chasing block shots. When he doesn’t get them he stops playing on the defensive end
Not sure what game you’re watching, but Eubanks played great D other than letting that one guy dunk on him (probably trying to avoid a foul, but a bad play).
Agreed, Eubanks was good. Shoftenaaur was the awful one on D
Softenaar
got too fancy on the lob, got to be better on that.
This is the first game where not having Gomis really stings. He doesn’t block shots at the same as Eubanks but he’s the far superior defender. Beavers missing that interior defense. Eubanks hasn’t provided much help defense in the halfcourt and Valpo is killing them in the paint
Defense looks way too soft, “you got him, you got him” instead of stopping the ball.
Looks like I was wrong. Valpo going to win easy instead of a close one.
difference in the game right now is the back to back to back 3’s Valpo hit to go up 17-8. Gave up too many dunks as well
Tinkle needs to figure out his rotations. Olaf stinks…tres tinkle should be playing over him — same skillset and better defender/gets to the line more.
Bruce never tries to score, so when he is in there and Olaf it’s basically 3 vs 5.
Not sure what WT is thinking with some of these lineups. Payton is ball hogging and trying to do too much, not playing within the offense.
What’s the attendance?
Oregon State Hoops ?@OregonStateMBB 43s44 seconds ago
Tonight’s attendance: 5,235. #gobeavs
Beavs look tired
Beavers need to go back to playing a lot more zone. Their man to man defense is really bad and the hard hedging on pick and rolls makes no sense with this team. It is giving Valpo so many deep catches with the roll man. The big man in the pick and roll defense should be hanging back to protect the rim
They don’t look tired as much as they look like they can’t handle the speed of Valpo. They look a step slow trying to figure out what Valpo is attacking. Thinking too much and not reacting. Or they are just not prepared for their speed.
AKA… they look tired.
Lots of ill advised shots, especially by the upperclassmen.
Reminds me of throwing shit against the wall and seeing what will stick.
Lots of shitty shots.
Might have to pipe down the tourney talk. These guys look clueless vs a good, mature team.
Woodshed.
Not ready for prime time. I will say this much, Valpo has been allowed to be more aggressive on defense. Or maybe it’s just me
Allowed is a good way to put it.
Eubanks has been a disaster defensively tonight. Offensively nobody but GP has looked very confident. Not GP’s best shooting night but the rest of the team has looked highly passive. LMW has been useless the last 2 1/2 games. Time to give Thompson a lot more minutes
does Payton coat himself with oil before the game? he sneaks right through a wall of guys
crisco. If Lindsay were still here she’d forget all about Stormy
Good job by Valpo to go zone really shut down the Beavs momentum as they look lost on who to get the ball to.
Anybody thinking this was a tournament team was living a fantasy. Add 3 good freshman to a bad team that was carried by one player isn’t the NCAA tourney recipe.
umm, they lost by 6 to a pretty damn good mid major team that could have just as easily won in Eugene on Sunday. The calendar hasn’t even hit December yet and the Beavs are still missing two players due to injury.
-1? Lame. I never said this was a tournament team. I have always said NIT or bust this season. But I for one am not going to say this isn’t a team that can’t make the tournament on November fucking 24th.
Yeah this is a dumb comment that sounds like frustration talking.
They could easily still make a tournament, and they didn’t just add 3 random freshmen but the 10th to 15th best class in the nation.
The problem is WTs rotation. At one point he had Olaf, Morris Walker, Bruce, Duvivier, and Big G out there. That is awful and nobody can score. The lineup needs to be Payton, Duviver/Bruce, Thompson, Tinkle, Eubanks. Sub in the other guys as briefly as possible. Olaf getting way too many minutes …dude plays matador D and should only be used as a respite in blowouts or 3s at the end of games. They asked guys to play heavy minutes last year, and they should do it again this year with those 5 I named. Very clear to me that’s the path to a tournament. When Reid comes back he can get some minutes, too.
I would imagine we’ll see less Softenaar when Reid and Gomis are healthy
We can only pray….
Olaf is a one trick pony. and a mediocre at best pony
Well, that’s it, let’s pack it in, they suck. (Sarcasm). Really it’s their first loss, with injured players out, against a team that returns 98.5% of their offense from a tournament team, and all their starters. Relax, the season hasn’t even started.
On another note UCLA getting ripped by Kansas right now.
UCLA is a joke this year. The fact they were picked to finish 5th in the Pac-12 is laughable. One idiot even picked them to win the Pac-12. Drugs are bad, mmmkay?
http://pac-12.com/article/2015/10/15/arizona-selected-defend-pac-12-crown
Look this still could be a tournament team, its so early in the season to make a judgement. It’s a tough loss that will hurt in the selection process, only if Valpo goes onto a poor season. In other words its way to early to make superlative statements.
Let’s see how the team responds after the first loss of the year and a teaching moment from Coach Tinks. They have a few things to work on. Eubanks struggled physically inside, got pushed around. They didn’t really run the fast break efficiently. Their weakside help defense was not very sound. I saw too much of passing the ball carrier unto somebody else who either wasn’t ready or were out of position.
Offensively, they need a ball handler who can penetrate and dish, Bruce didn’t look very confident doing that tonight, and Duvivier is limited athletically.
Shoot the ball a little bit better and defend the ball better and they win. Interested to see how the team responds or whether it becomes a trend and the tourney talk becomes unnecessary.
That was a good loss. Or at least as good as it can be. Valpo is a really good, seasoned, strong team that would be 3rd or 4th in our conference. So much our team is gonna learn from this.
Tres is good but should look no further than Peters from Valpo as model. Tres takes a lot of bad shots and gets his stuff beat up when he takes it inside. He spins into defenders. Eubanks struggles when faced with a strong guy like Fernández. He needs to work on not getting stripped or panicking. Also, he came out on the PnR ball handler far too often. Stevie took too long to get going.
Malcolm and Langston were largely absent save for a couple good takes by Duvivier. Bruce can look for more opportunities.
Spirit should still be high. Other than KU, this was the best team we play in non con with the best defense. Once Tinkle looks at the tape and addresses some of this stuff, hopefully we get the offense looking smoother and the defense more suffocating. They still got work to do.
I watched some of Tulsa/South Carolina yesterday and I wasn’t all that impressed with Tulsa.
Payton double-double tonight (25, 11) but took 25 of the team’s 56 shots – not good
Preseason is for trying combinations. If WT isn’t allowed to experiment now, when should he be allowed to find out what he has in game conditions? It would be foolish, ill advised and really dumb to play only 5-7 guys now and have nothing left in the tank by the end of the year. Last year was a different story since he had very limited resources. They ran out of gas at the end of last year. Now is the time for testing, for experimenting with combinations and for working thru mistakes…and learning hard lessons by losing to good teams. This is a marathon and not an ADD sprint.
That’s fine but do it when up big and/or vs a bad team, not vs a team like Valpo that’s potential resume game. Should have went with the best five or six, and it’s clear who those guys. WAY too much Olaf. Tinkle knows what Olaf is not like he’s learning anything new about his team by playing him that much.
admitting to my non-expertise – does it seem as if Olaf never leaves his feet? (that’s a funny expression, but you know what I mean (I think))
Olaf actually stepped to the side to allow the defender room to run right past him. That might have been the all time low for him on D. I couldn’t believe it. If that guy is in the lineup vs Kansas they are going to put up 30 in his 5 minutes of play. Not sure if that’s hyperbole or not.
I saw that too and thought, WTF? Eubanks did it once also, probably to save a foul.
Eubanks did it to avoid the foul (stupid), but at least you could understand it. Olaf did it because he just hates defense and contact.
Eubanks had a good game on D except for that one play we’re talking about and he failed to help on the weakside a few times. But he blocked 3 or 4 shots that were going down early on, that’s 8 points he saved, and he disrupted several others. His D probably prevented 10 points or more. People are complaining about him…some people seem to have an issue with Eubanks that frankly isn’t there. If you want to be critical, I guess he’s a little raw and confused at times, but the positives way outweigh that. It’s his 5th game…for a guy who took up hoops a few years ago. I think he might be the player they can least afford to lose. If Payton goes down, put in Thompson. If Eubanks goes down, it’s Olaf or “Big G”…brutal. Can’t lose him.
Can’t argue with anything you’ve said here.
I think Eubanks had 5 blocks so you’re right on with him saving 10 points, maybe a few more with his D. He was 0-1 from the field and didn’t score which hurt.
Probably why GP2 took so many shots, or is it vice versa?
LM-W was a non-factor with 1 point.
I forgot to mention this in the UCSB thread, but Roberto Nelson was at the game…what was weird is he sat across from the UCSB bench but was wearing a Beaver jersey.
did he move to allow you to go right past him in the aisle? He’d have been better off playing for Cal-St Northridge
Edit: If you get the Northridge reference, you win a sock monkey
He did, as is his wont. Such a gentleman.
He was here 4 years, does anyone know if he got a degree? He had early academic troubles so —
anybody else remember this guy?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-hanchett-b7974334
I remember him. Always annoys me about these types of companies. Just a bunch of wordsmithing and marketing blather.
I didn’t read his bio. I was just thinking back after angry mentioned he saw Nelson at the UCSB game. What other past players were we told would be game changers? Nelson, CJ Giles, the transfer from Iowa (his name escapes me) that got kicked off the team from drugs. Then I remembered Hanchett. Tough as nails, fierce rebounder that always played taller than he was. If I recall he was only 6′-4″?
The best part about tonight was that they showed the 1998 Civil War just before basket ball. Beavs still won in 2OT! It was awesome to watch it again.
A side note – Riley was very animated and looked like he cared.
and those hip hip hoorays at the end of the broadcast almost made me vomit
Yeah, I turned it off after the first 2
another ? Who the fuck is Cal-State Los Angeles????? Never heard of them before tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPrsi_MXk28
A couple of observations, and opinions, after enjoying Gill tonight:
1. Ticket prices are to high for locals like myself who would like to regularly attend. If not for a friend in the Athletic Department who gets me and my family tickets for free, no way I can afford it. It adds up pretty damn quick you make attending basketball games a habit.
2. The student section was full tonight, loud and really into it, yet the side that the TV cameras are facing was about 1/2 full of older folks sitting on their hands. Believe me, in person the atmosphere is 10 times better than it looks on TV. The broadcasts are not doing us justice.
3. MOVE the cameras to face the student section!
4. We’re going to be a really good team, Valpo was good. I have high hopes. I had a good time tonight. Corvallis is a helluva nice place to live.
Agreed. We need résumé building wins… Still some out there(Kansas)
Valpo definitely looked strong. We need more chemistry in defending teams, but that will come in time. Call me delusional after shoveling 14 inches of snow tonight, but the refs didn’t do the beavs any favors
Crazy weather in bend today
The refs beyond homered us that game. Call me crazy but I feel like we haven’t had a single game that I thought was reffed consistently both ways the entire game. Smh
Don’t even bother talking about that crew. They suck beyond sucking. I can replay and correct at least 10 calls they made. And that’s not an embellishment.
They also allowed a lot of contact away from the ball. We have to figure out how to play that. But that crew really sucked… harder than a certain contractor from Sherwood sucks.
Some things I noticed from watching the game.
1. Gary took a lot of shots. But, he had too. Nobody else was shooting. He looked like he wanted to be our go to guy when we need a bucket, and that’s a plus.
2. Olaf is TRASH. I’ve been saying this, but will say it again. He is the reason why we won’t go to the NCAA tourny if he keeps getting major minutes.
3. Drew besides his blocks in the first 5 minutes was really not into the game on offense or defense. I’m not sure what his problem is, but he can’t be scoring 0 points in big games.
4. Wtf is LMW problem. Talk about inconstant
5. Our offense looked discombobulated against a good defense. They forced us to take tough shots all night.
6. With all this being said(a lot of negatives) we ONLY LOST BY 6! Valpo will upset someone in the NCAA tourny come March mark my words. The fact that if we hit 2 more 3’s or a couple more free throws, or even don’t allow them to grab so many offensive rebounds and second chance points that we could’ve left gill with a win is a massive positive. We played horrible imo and still lost by 2 possessions. Something of a high note to leave on.
Good analysis. Everyone’s been saying that about Olaf. He’s a joke. Tinkles only real mistake thus far at OSU is giving him as many minutes as he has. I said before the game that this would be a huge test for Eubanks against a legit front court and he obviously didn’t fare well but it’s his first time out there so he gets a pass and I’m sure he’ll improve. LMW just did what he always does, he’s the second coming of Omari Johnson. Tough game, gotta start faster than we did and shoot better but those are things that are easily fixable
I’ve been trying to let the team take rotations. But Olaf just sucks.
Starting the game with a hurried trey attempt to beat the shot clock… not a good start.
Sounded like Tinkle was pissed about LMW’s effort, didn’t call him out by name, but reading between the lines at the presser I think he was more annoyed about that then the freshmen. WT also really seems to be counting on Gomis and Reid. I hope they are as impactful as he seems to think. Would be nice to see a settled rotation when he has all the pieces. Schaft can sit.
Thompson should be taking 5 or 6 threes a game, but it didn’t seem like they run any plays to specifically get ST those looks. I’m disappointed because it was a statement type game at home, I don’t like those missed opportunities, but you don’t win every basketball game.
Yeah I hope to god jarmal and Daniel can produce immediately when they return. Our rotations are looking very odd at times… As in only having 1(maybe) scorer on the court at a given time.
Shitty shooting night at 37.5%. Tough to win when that happens. Langston Morris Who. Less of him and more Thompson.
I suppose if we’re in the habit of allowing a dozen or so uncontested lay-ins per game… we did okay.
Wtf? You can’t make them earn those points even after you so very fucked up in your rotation?
That wasn’t basketball. I don’t know what the hell that was. They passed around on top for a while then chucked it or drove and chucked it. And that’s if some neato fancy pass wasn’t sniffed out and stolen… some six or so times.
Six minutes left and I’m just calling for hucking up treys. Wtf man? That wasn’t hoops. We lose every game if that’s how we play.
AMEN!
Let’s be real: The reason this loss is so annoying is that Creepy Altman’s quacks just beat these guys and our team couldn’t.
I do hate when that happens. Valpo looks tired in the second half against the Ducks, but looks well rested against the Beavs.
No.
It’s because we didn’t play ball. We passed it around the top and took poor, late shots. We held the ball and let them wander over and slap at it until it was turned over. Wow Olaf! Can’t move the ball through the high post and to your own team? We threw inbounds passes to the other team. We too often tried the nifty pass instead of the easy one. We missed about six shots at the rim that should have gone down. And we gave up about a dozen uncontested lay-ins/dunks. And it’s not like those uncontested couldn’t have been contested. We just watched them make those plays. I could have scored 30 on our D last night.
Oh… and man did the refs suck… on top of everything else. There was so much contact away from the ball allowed for them. But when someone like BIg G gets annoyed at the third body check in as many plays and throws the guy off him, he’s the one called for a foul. It was just a filthy game all around.
Fuck the Ducks.
edit: Oh… there were even some plays on the ball that were just crap calls too. Eubanks jumping up for a rebound and getting shoved from below is a foul on Drew. There was one baseline drive for them where I think Thompson received a shoulder in the chest that sent him flying… no call. Tres was actually grabbed away from a loose ball. I’m so tired of watching those specific refs and wondering what the hell they’re doing. They certainly do not call anything consistently. I’m pretty sure we’re stuck with them because the schools down south don’t want to see them ever… except for Rastatter (who worked Iona). Rastatter is a Zony fave, and he loves them right back. But it wasn’t even about them. It’s that if we even pretend to show up we win this game going away. There was just dumb play after dumb play on both ends of the floor. Poor decisions followed by spectator D does not make me happy.
I mean… I haven’t looked at the stats, and I think Valpo sucks. If it wasn’t for the uncontested shots at the rim and a quick series of treys in the beginning, I’m guessing they shot about 10%. They didn’t often pass to score anywhere within the arc. It was just us watching them drive to the hole as if it was magic. We make them pay for playing in the lane, and they don’t make shots for the rest of the night. That’s what hurts most.
Couldn’t agree more man. I was always taught to drive and kick the ball to get open 3’s. Only problem for our squad is that no one wants to drive and kick? Nothing but probing around the perimeter of their zone for 25 seconds then chucking up contested 3’s. Hopefully adjustments are made between now and the Tulsa or Kansas game.
Oregon Ducks were a much better team IMO.
Hard to argue if what was witnessed last night is your baseline.
I’ll say it again: AMEN!
Was at the game tonight, and while it was disappointing we lost, I fully plan on going to see them play Loyola-Marymont and Nevada. I love Eubank’s defensive energy, but it felt like our guys were getting slashed to death by their guards all night. Himmik especially destroyed us, and it didn’t help that Peters seemed to be a great stretch 4.
I’m still salty about the loss. In my opinion it’s going to be tough for us to go to the ncaa’s with more then 2 non-con losses this year based on the way the PAC is shaping up to be. We may be in one of the tougher basketball conferences in the nation this year. A lot of good teams and if we play like we played against valpo we will get eaten alive in conference. Hopefully tinkle makes adjustments!
If we play like we did against Valpo, we get eaten alive in intramurals. That was embarrassing.
The more I think about, as critical as it is, the more I agree with you. We played so uninspired in front of the best crowd they’ve had all you and in the biggest game. Well all except Gary. Is he league bound?
He’s too good not to be. He needs to put up shots and work his handle once that’s his full time job. But that’s easy. He has all the other tools.
And yeah… I get it. Every team has a bad game here or there. But that’s still not an excuse for standing around for two hours. I’ve never been or had a coach who didn’t run the team until they were puddles of sweat for a performance like that.
edit: I take that back. I had two really bad coaches. But they were football coaches. Man they sucked at hoops.
Turned it off and went to bed when it looked like it was heading for a blowout. Surprised they only lost by six.
D was terrible. Not even close to last year
No low post scoring option. Hopefully Reid gets back soon.
No offensive flow. Soft toss around the perimeter and chuck one up.
Valparaiso played harder than we did.
Protect the rim! Beav’s made #11 look like the second coming of David Thompson. How many dunks did he have?
In the spirit of the week……..FTD.
Glad to hear the student section is lively and supportive;
Ticket prices seem like a problem for others, an issue that can be communicated as stated in the thread topic;
Beavers have 8 days off, I think Tinkle will have them working on D, hustling, and improved play will be evident;
Royce Freeman not a finalist for Doak Walker award, I’m guessing he’s going to feel slighted, run amok Friday, great team/time to pad his stats;
For the ever-important uniform combo; I’m guessing, white jersey’s, black helmet with the Beaver decal finally added to it, orange or black pants…
For the Civil War week I have replaced the avatar of my drivers license photo with the Retro Benny flag. It will fly in the lot for the Axe game Saturday, even though I will probably take some serious shit from Badgers about GA’s first year struggles. Go Beav’s. Hoping for a CW miracle.
Ill have my chainsaw revv’d up at Autzen on Friday!! Go Beavs!
A real chainsaw might be our only hope.
Wow!
Jay Bilas just praised an incorrect over-and-back call as an excellent call and completely correct. I thought for sure as he was watching the slow-mo up close replay he was going to see (as I did on DVR replay… because it looked like a bad call in real time) that the ball never crossed into the frontcourt.
My valpo autopsy:
We shot really bad the first half. 33% from field
We got out rebounded.
Eubanks had no points and hardly took a shot. And we were out scored in paint.
Not a winning recipe. Has to be way to get Eubanks the ball.
We could have beat them
How anyone, Beaver or Duck, cares about the civil war is beyond me. Yeah, I know, IT’S THE CIVIL WAR blah blah yada yada… But I doubt the players really give a crap since most of them are from out of state, and as a fan it’s not like there’s any uncertainty as to the outcome to be nervous or excited about.
Go in, lay another 2015 egg, listen to the media slobber over Royce Freeman and Vernon Transfer Jr. whoopdy freaking doo.
You will never be one of GA’s War Daddy’s with an attitude like that son. Drop and give me twenty.
I’ve never claimed to be the best (or even a great) fan.
Pfft! I’m wearing my orange pants at work today (had em before Slade made them cool).
Hmm… I’m pretty sure Noddy wore a lot of… TARTAN!