Thanks to last week’s game versus Cal, Colorado is putting up gaudy numbers. The QB has almost 1800 yards and 17TDs. That being said, Sean Mannion historically has performed very well versus below average defenses, and this CO defense is up and down but overall not very good. Now, I have not watched a single snap of Buff football, so this is based on last year and the stats, but I think OSU wins this game just due to Mannion playing well versus bad defenses.
The Beavs are 4-2 in this series, but most of that was pre-1990. Just one game (last year’s 44-17 win) after 1988. They are 1-2 in Boulder, but again all old data sets.
OSU’s offense is a pass happy disaster, but I think CO is one team that can work against.
31-28 OSU
Funny, this Colorado beat writer wouldn’t call a CU victory “an upset.”
CU plays better at home, has gons up-tempo on offense. Says CU “can’t allow OSU to run the ball effectively.”
Hell, Riley will take that away….
link:
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/10/colorado_beat_writer_says_buff.html
I’m in Colorado this week. Scored some decent tickets for 2morrow’s game. Local papers don’t make it sound like CU is fearing the Beavs at all. There was an article about MacIntire’s (sp?) sideline emotions (lots) – that will be a contrast.
I dont think any of us had the USC game as a win in our preseason predictions, so last weeks loss wasnt unexpected. I still have them winning the next 2. Theyre basically the team i expected this year so far. Offense has been a little less inspiring than i had hoped, but defense has been better. Go Beavs.
They haven’t been the team I know they can be in three of four games. And all of those three have been embarrassing. They’re sleep-walking… no… running… kidding… passing their way through the season yet again.
Defense is going to start looking a lot more like last years without Grimble and Tago eating up space… DT was a strength now its just adequate with the loss of depth..
Plus I’m afraid instead of leaning more on the run which is blatantly obvious that this team should do, Riles will call even more pass plays since that is what he now deems as a successful offense..
I think we lose this ball game. And the calls for Riley’s job finally get real.
This game – and the altitude – could provide the opportunity for a lot of carries for Woods/Wards and even Brown due to “altitude concerns.” But I’ll bet Riley likes to throw agains CU’s inexperienced secondary. The good thing for OSU is, Cal’s QB got 449 yards and 7 TDs on but 24 completions; the kind of stats Riley loves.
Nelson can take Spruce away and make CU pay with a pick or two. The LBs and ‘Boom should get their sacks.
I could see CSU winning it by coming in confident, going fast paced, running up the middle to take advantage of depleted DTs, putting Spruce out against Scott, lots of OSU penalties, Mannion still in his Cold Play funk, and Riley abandoning the run.
I suspect Angry has it about right; a narrow and underwhelming victory margin against a weaker opponent, with clear and remaining issues.
go. beavs. [lack of caps intentional]
We’ll win, and many ppl will think it’s all good.
Whatever.
CU’s D isn’t good. Cal’s pass D sucks big time, but their run D is decent. That’s about all I can say for either after watching that game.
So you’re saying OSU’s offense is good? Unproven WRs plus injuries is killing us. CU wins going away.
No. I’m saying CU’s D is worse than our offense. We’ve seen it in a couple games already this year.
Is it too early for a “Rice @ OSU” thread?
I think angry’s taking PEDs. Ten posts in a week?
Sheesh!
PEDs = Pollyanna Eliminating Diatribes? :)
Funny, if we just looked at the win-loss columns we’d all say “well, the Beavs are where we all thought they would be at this point in the season”. To us actual observers though we’re a bunch of nervous nellies waiting for the other shoe to drop, ie a loss to a tam like Colorado.
To me it’s more about level of execution rather than w/l. Not all wins are equal, despite what the talking heads claim.
Yup…. Thats because We usually start playing better in late September/ October.. and the USC game was the worst game planning and performance we’ve seen in a while.
Eastern Washington
Sac State
UW beat down
Civil WAR for Rose Bowl beat down
USC Last Year
Were all better performances IMO
http://Www.kejoam.com is currently covering a topic about everything this site is about.
I’m listening, anyone gonna call in?
Where? Link me to the broadcast.
http://tunein.com/radio/Joe-Radio-1240-s32455/
Cool. I hear Mike Parker talking about baseball, though
I’m sure it’ll get revisited, esp. since Tim Euhus is on next hour
Screw that.
It devolved into making excuses about money. And when the silly was taken into the extreme ($10b) it was abandoned for a giggle and a commercial break.
For the record… off the top of my head I would take $1b and endow all sports ships and future sports ships for sports we do not currently have.
-and- now I’m hearing 28 excuses…
Anyway… the $1b would cover those ships and all the start-up costs involved with any new programs brought online. Then I would take another $250m and bring all the existing facilities online… well… up to date enough to match all the other facilities.
Then I would take $8.75b and endow ships for any Oregon kid who wants to go to OSU. I’m pretty sure this would cover all students to a certain level. I would even go so far as to make those same levels available to all out-of-state students. But then I wouldn’t discriminate between in-state or out-of-state admits in what we charge. I would do so for admittance itself since that’s OSU’s mandate. But I’m tired of the crap that is university politics and pricing.
I’ve taken my message to twitter and began criticizing the media. It’s going to be harder to ignore.
The jist of it is Mike Parker wants to hear from the disgruntled fan part of the Beavers fan base, what are their complaints?
Sounds like a fastball for angry.
He’s presenting the false dichotomy of you’re either reasonable or you expect a championship every year.
….and now someone’s calling in with the old “we’re way better than we were during those 28 years”
Should I call in??
DO IT
Go right ahead, you’ve been voicing for quite a while on the Internet. Maybe it’s time to speak. 541-497-5356.
However, do it before 1 PM, they said most of the 1:00 hour they have guest interviews.
What should I ask/discuss?
I’d focus on Riley and the state of the football program, and where it’s going, that seems to be the #1 narrative these days. You’ve had strong opinions for quite a while on this subject. I never can get my thoughts out on it very well.
You’re asking US?!
Come on, you’ve gotta have something locked and loaded :)
Earlier they were talking about the old “you can’t recruit to Corvallis”, USC has all these all-americans within 30 miles, etc. etc, Pat Casey could only recruit after having success, blah blah blah
I just called. They said to call back in 10 minutes. He would have to ask Parker if he will take a call from angrybeavs.
Probably because they are at the top of the hour and have two interviews lined up. They said the back half of the hour is pretty open.
Just use your (or a) name. I used to call when I was supportive. Maybe I will. I called Riley once during coach’s show and asked why he likes to call plays from sideline view instead of a seemingly better view from above (D coor.). He said he gets a better feel down below, and he just enjoys it (yay!). Oh brother.
I meant O coordinator obviously
Personally I think Riley and staff’s best days are behind them. The 2009 Civil War was the turning point. People might point to 2012, but once the big competition hit (Stanford, Oregon – complete meltdown – and Texas…another meltdown) we went L, L, L. All the same time mismanagement, mental errors, and letdowns. 9-4. And that’s the “gold” year lately.
Damn I got distracted with crap and missed Jack. What’s he sound like???
He sounded younger than I thought he would.
podcast available? lol
Did he sound sane? hahaha
I barely caught it myself…a little loopy maybe lol ;)
Did Jack sound like RC Collins? Heard here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b10_1317234348
Wow.
I knew some of our boys are depraved. And there is worse. So I guess I’m not surprised.
Oh… it’s probably real.
I sounded like me.
I think, from what I’m hearing, I threw Parker for a loop. I honestly can’t remember the first part of my statement. I think I might have said “forget about football” and then went on to exclaim the beginning of the Tinkle era.
And then there was a long long pause… followed by an “Okay Jack… well…” kind of answer.
If I’m wrong, someone tell me.
http://hypothetical.net/beaver/assets/JoeBeaverShow_2014-10-01.mp3
thanks to the google machine, we no longer have to guess. What time were you on Jack?
It was bumping up against the 1:00 break.
42:15?
I didn’t suck as much as I thought. And Parker played it better than I thought he did in real time.
Oh well.
I got played out by “Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five,” so I guess I get honors for that.
The pause was also not as long as perceived.
it’s almost like Parker was totally listening to you, looking ahead to his break. You didn’t sound crazy by the way
Listening now. Parker and the other guy are trying to soften the blow and lower expectations. It’s weird.
Wait… should get points for the not crazy vote?
I think there was a lot going on in the CR firing. and I think my caveat expression was what threw him for a bit. It still felt uncomfortable in real time.
Just listened to JackBeav. You did fine. I’ve never called a radio show before. BTW, I realize why I missed you the first time…because I lowered my PC to call them at that time. I heard Parker in the background talking to someone…lol..
Okay… so Parker isn’t exactly a “think on his feet” type of guy.
I expected more play on words or back and forth. I admit I didn’t give much of an edge for climbing. But I tried to answer his vague question.
I shouldn’t have done that. I should have just talked about what I wanted. But they just threw me on and butted me up against a break.
I sucked.
wait were you the basketball guy?
Yeah… I sucked eggs.
I called. I said I wanna talk hoops. I was put on hold for about 15 seconds and then heard my name called.
That pause was odd. I thought I went all Pollyanna for Tinkle on that intro.
summary of your call: forget football, get behind basketball!
Probably not a terrible idea actually…
Maybe that’s why he paused?
I really do mean it. I’ll watch football.
But let’s get serious here. I lived the 28 years. I know how really serious football is… that being, not much. I grew up with hoops, and it’s killing me that we’re not what we were then.
I don’t care about football other than I want my alma mater to compete and give smart effort every outing in every sport. I’ve played and watched and loved all these sports enough to know the technicalities in every position in every sport. So the effort and preparation are the obvious to me.
But I would sell my soul for a consistent Final Four threat.
Where you that guy “Glenn”? Heard it briefly then got distracted.
No… I went under this name.
I’m done with the football season. It’s hoops season now.
It’s interesting that coaches and ADs have forever supported the football “every game is important” part of the bowl system.
It’s all bullshit. And there’s no way to excuse that away.
No… college football in terms of championships sucks on the D1 level. We have never had a real champion. We probably will never have one.
That’s just another reason to love that sport.
Did anyone catch the three second uncomfortable pause before I said, “If you know what I mean?”
Sorry… I reverted to Monty Python mode. I didn’t know if I lost the call or something.
c’mon Jack I thought you were gonna rip the football program :)
Why bother?
Why do you say that? I know the people in power get the results but at least we can raise attention.
Because I think the only symptom for which our AD will search a cure is apathy.
I just don’t care anymore. I had a little hope before the season for the wait and see portion of Garrett’s tenure. But I’m just done.
I’ll watch. I’ll hope for a win. I’ll not be surprised with a win or loss. I guess all I’m looking for now is a CW win. That would slightly change things I guess.
You should have used the name Whiskey Soaked Napkin! That would have gotten a rise out of Parker.
he cannot. Whiskey has that name trademarked. However, Whiskey moist towelette would have been acceptable.
http://www.dailybasket.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/jerry-tarkanian.jpg
I expected you to sound exactly like this jack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI
Speaking of Parker, watching a clip on the Cal/CU game with Kevin Callabro made me think of his great Sonic calls “Nothing but crisp! Clean! Cotton!” and I thought, “Hell, while I’m fantasizing about a Riley exit, might as well dream about OSU betting Callabro away from the P12 networks to do OSU sports and the OSU basketball resurgence….
Doubtful. Calabro does NBA games when he’s not on PAC12. Some TV and a lot of radio.
Dan Belluomini calls the best game out there right now. At times I think he’s the only analyst who actually watches the game itself.
I going to hit the USC-Loss-Dead-Horse one last time, just because it demonstrates another media perception that is falling in line with sentiment here, this from Tim Euhus:
“I was disappointed Saturday Night. Maybe that is an understatement. This is not the first lopsided loss I have ever experienced as a coach, player, or fan. However, in some way, this loss was more painful than others and it seemed tougher to stomach. Personally, I was frustrated that the Beavers did not capitalize on the opportunity that was in front of them. Let me be clear, my frustration did not stem from the Beavers losing the game. My frustration was based on the way the Beavers lost. After taking another look at the film, it became clearer WHY the Beavers lost.”
Most mainstream media cannot understand or will not understand that we don’t expect to be in the Rose Bowl every year, but we want the game of football played well.
Ok, walking away from the dead horse now…
http://www.csnnw.com/beavers/curse-remains-intact-real-question%E2%80%A6why
fín
I left the a few questions on twitter.
Can’t wait for them going to shoot clays.
There’s always tomorrow.
No… there really isn’t.
There wasn’t even today.
To pretend otherwise is foolhardy.
Here is the Phil Steele report (and, yes, that was me on the show):
The Buff’s have struggled since joining the P12 but they do have a playmaker in Soph QB
Liufau. LW vs Cal, Liufau did all he could to get CU a win as he threw for 449 yds & 7 td’s
while also rushing for 72 more yds! OSU counters with my #3 ranked pass eff D so it will
be interesting to see who gets the better of that matchup. Beaver Sr QB Mannion has
struggled TY after throwing for over 4,500 yds (66%, 37-15) LY he has thrown for 1,026
yds (63%, 4-4) this ssn. CU does have my #14 ranked pass eff D so don’t expect Mannion
to break out just yet. The Buff’s are improved & while I won’t call for them to get the win,
I will call for them to keep this game closer than the Vegas experts think.
OREGON STATE 31, COLORADO 27
POSITION BY POSITION BREAKDOWN:
Oregon State QB/WR’s vs Colorado DB’s: ORST +0.36
Oregon State RB’s vs Colorado LB’s: ORST +0.02
Oregon State OL vs Colorado DL: ORST +0.50
Oregon State DL vs Colorado OL: COL +0.26
Oregon State LB’s vs Colorado RB’s: ORST +1.10
Oregon State DB’s vs Colorado QB/WR’s: ORST +0.66
Special Teams: ORST +0.43
Kicker: COL +0.62
Coaching: ORST +1.35
POSITIONAL EDGE: ORST +3.54
PROJECTED STATS ORST COL
Projected Rushing 132 136
Projected Passing 235 242
Projected Yardage Total 367 378
Projected Final Score 28 23
Experience Rankings 51 45
Team Schedule Strength 43 44
DUDE!
31-27?
More like OSU 38-21… if that good on the CU side.
It would be mighty disappointing and adverse to Pollyanna-think if CU even comes close to us.
Wait… disregard the disappointing part.
The most disappointing thing about the football team is that this is the year. You got a senior laden defense and a senior QB that has been groomed for the job the last 5 years. If this is what we have to look forward to every 4 or 5 years what is the point in spending money and investing fandom in it?
Agree. This is as good as a Riley roster can probably get in terms of talent and depth. Yet his coaching peaked several years ago. We are now in this strange awkward phase of losing winnable games, the fan base not realizing how terrible things are and can get from here, and Riley doing a disservice to his players by essentially coaching them into losses (this will lead to players not reaching their full potential).
And there is a built-in failure mode for recruiting. What four star would want to go to a school where the coach causes losses.
Maybe his dementia/disinterest/sleep-walking increases to where even the polyannas see it.
I think 2 four starts just visited, so I guess we’ll see.
but we’ll wind up with 4 two stars instead
did they answer any of my tweets?
That show doesn’t really do a good job of responding to non-phone calls. There was maybe one tweet discussed, but I’m unclear if it was yours.
An article in Forbes about the Beavs use of social media?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markjburns/2014/09/27/oregon-state-athletics-redefining-college-football-fans-game-day-experience/
I’ve definitely noticed and benefited from the increased exposure they’re creating. I didn’t realize they were setting the standard for college athletics though. So we’re fresh and innovative in some ways(social media, recruiting), but old and curmudgeonly in others(coaching,advertising). I guess it’s a start, but I’d almost rather flip that so we’re innovative in coaching and advertising and old and curmudgeonly in social media and recruiting)
I’m going to retreat into music now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHabNK0_D3Q
Daaaamn!
Better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Q8Ual3coM
Pretty sure I’ve posted this before.
Thanks Jack.
Said this before, but particularly when Beaver football seems hopeless until Riley is gone, we ought to hit the AB Forums for music, economic discussions, and other topics more worthwhile than Beaver football.
Yeah let’s talk music and economics.
I’m game.
Damn, I can’t log in, even with a fresh password and entering the security code. I was hoping to start two threads, one on jazz recommendations (looking to diversify my collection with more living artists) and a second thread on something we’ve briefly discussed before, and that is it appears that transactions are becoming more important than their long term outcomes, and if that’s true, how do get out of that cycle, because I can’t see it going anywhere good.
If you go to the top of the page and hit the log in button, it takes you to a login page where you can request a password reset. I had to do the same.
Nice. I recognize Federico Gonzalez Pena on the keys. If you want to see some add’l great bass playing check him out with Meshell N’Degeocello.
Meshell’s decent on bass. But it’s her voice that is so smooth and hypnotic. She sings on another Miller track I can’t remember right now. I think her best tune is the one on the Higher Learning ST.
Can you imagine how much better Living Colour would have been if she had replaced Muzz?
I never got into Vernon Reid. Thing is she usually has a lights-out bass player along with her live, like David Dyson.
Reid was over-hyped IMO. It was Muzz and Glover’s voice that gave them their real soul. But I sure wish Meshell would have been added just for the potential her voice would have given them at that time.
I’m not huge on the whole synth/smooth sound, but Dyson is certainly an accomplished and technically superior bass.
All the players are talking about how much more detail oriented Tinkle is. Not really surprising at all.
I’m glad we didn’t hear similar about fusbol Americano.
yay
Wait… are we going all anti-darkie here?
Not really surprising at all?
Whiskey tango foxtrot?
no, it means CR sucked as a coach. And his staff was a fucking joke.
Well… they were mediocre.
But anyway….
The anyway refers to the “attention to detail” we’ve heard about football ALL FRIGGIN” SUMMER LONG.
This is incredible: http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11623709/new-york-giants-tight-end-larry-donnell-loses-fantasy-matchup-benching-himself
How is that not The Onion…
Does this mean he CAN be in the HoF since he didn’t gamble on himself… or the sport?
Wait….
Get out of the hall Pete!
I find that commercial funny.
Then again, I find the collective output of Bud Selig’s career and thoughts as expressed by him… commercially funny.
How is someone who gambles on their own sport not banned for life?
Maybe we can ask George Steinbrenner.
I think what is most disappointing and disheartening is that the program has shown no growth. In fact, it has stayed the same, which is not good. There are still time management and game management issues (Remmers not being able to block Texas and getting no help from playcalling), the recruiting hasn’t changed, listened Bartow on the radio he said the Beavs have ranked in the forties every year for the last 12 seasons, with just a couple of exceptions. The continued false starts, not getting the correct personnel in on time, the delay of game penalties even after a timeout. The inability or willingness to adjust at halftime. Not getting prepared to play even against a FCS for. The continued drilling by much more efficient programs on national tv. Can anybody forget the spanking by Wisconsin and the tv announcers (urban?) calling out Riley for his decisions?
Not enough has changed for the positive to get behind the team. It is the reason I didn’t buy season tickets, can’t support seating through this mess time after time.
For those who want a new coach this game could be extremely significant. Colorado is considered worst in the conference by most just a notch below Cal. However both those programs are actually taking steps and beginning to show real signs of moving forward.
Oregon St on the other hand is showing signs over most of the last 4 years of going the wrong direction. Not enough comittment to running and an infatuation by Riley with being pass happy and thinking incomplete passes that almost were are somehow not the same as running for no gain. Not even mentioning sacks from trying to depend on passing too much against any dent team which quickly grind drives to a halt.
Colorado will hang with the Beavers for the bulk of this game IMO. We have superior talent but if Riley panics as usual even down 4 points we have 15+ straight games of evidence if what he will want to and very likely do. That will play right into the Buffs hands.
I say 36-31 Colorado abd heat on Riley reaches new all time highs that are at the level of the 3 win season and even a tad higher because there is no excuse for this in Year 14 and next year’s team with an iffy freshman Del Rio will make ALOT in Beaver Nation start to loudly voice that the time is now to move on from a long but mediocre and dwindling Riley II era to save morale in Beaver Nation and allow a healthy reboot of the program under stronger and more confident leadership. Calm before the storm if Riley falters in grand fashion this weekend and we actually lose to the Buffs who have been a national laughingstock for a number of years.
OSU will take their place if Riley chokes and will be thought across the nation as at the bottom of the barrel. BDC should resign immediately if it happens cause he will have clearly tied himself and OSU to a slowly but ever more sinking ship. This is the iceberg game and losing it may very well mean disaster. The captain isn’t supposed to get a lifeboat.
Real coaching involvement (photos) – OSU basketball
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152492041811925.1073741843.134824836924&type=1
Damn Bill.
Best practice in 20 years? You would know.
I’m getting warm fuzzies about this season. We’ve got some length and hustle out there right now.
And congrats to Justin Stangel on getting that ship.
Bill?
The comment on that link from McShane.
Some IDIOT named GilesB over on pure-orange actually wrote “But remember, balance could be 70% pass, 30% run.” This penis head is as bad as Riley and I thought that was impossible on this subjectm. He hasn’t seen OSUProf’s study that showed OSU will most likely lose any game where we run much less than 45% except only perhaps against the lowliest opponents. The odds are going off a cliff below that level and this asshat like Riley thinks it can actually be a worthwhile strategy.
Colorado is bad but good enough where I say if OSU does not run 45%+ in this game then Riley will get his well earned potentually and deservedly career altering loss. Run closer to 55% and we run away with this game. Someone else over there posted the % of pass vs run over recent years and it is somewhat faulty in that it doesn’t show Wins & Losses like the OSUProf study of a few years ago. You will clearly notice though that the past few seasons have tended way more pass happy then “good” Riley of 2007-8. Big jumps in % of passing near and above 60% directly correlate to poor seasons in the recent past. Hip Hip Hooray. Riley has settled into his prefered identity which makes even 8 win seasons hard to come by. That’s why fans who say BDC & Riley are completely fine with 6 and 7 win seasons are right. Otgerwise Riley would not let his pass happy ways take precedence over winning and would mot continue to let opportunity after opportunity go by just for the sake of seeing the ball sail through the air as the odds go up of losing against most OK teams and also that OSU does no better than bottom feeder bowls. Riley never has recruited a reasonably mobile QB so that also reveals that he is in love with a hypothetical style tgat in reality breaks down quick against decent teams and any real pressure. Just like we have seen in so many games. Riley’s style causes and hastens his defeat against decent teams. If there is anything mote on the line his tendancies and mental hiccups only make it worse. Hence the 0-12 record of Riley in games that matter.
Kinda hoping the dumb decision(s) we see from him sometime this Saturday snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and finally it becomes the last straw that breaks the camel’s back.. Better for the future than another shit bowl and Riley extension for an oh so amazing 6 wins.
BDC I loathe your guts for making our souls live through this perpetual Purgatory. A Buff win speeds up the torment, puts a crescendoed amount of pressure on Riley and BDC and hopefully prevents BDC extension in 2016 and Riley to retire by then as well or soon after.
Much more hope for moving forward positively then the tar pit we currently find ourselves trapped in. The quicker we admit it the sooner new life begins. Those that fear change adapt the worse and are ill prepared to thrive and don’t grow culturally, spiritually or intellectually anywhere near how they could. IMO Riley and BDC at thus point and fir a few years now have been disservicing the best interests of tHe university, its students and alumni under thIs principle alone.
New blood = New life = New learning
Current coach & AD are as stuck in their ways as it gets. We are stuck in our tracks and even regressing as others move forward.
good luck arguing with that POS. There are two folks over there that are the douchiest of douches. Him and my buddy Beaver Chainsaw Dickhead (known to many as the board asshole). I don’t miss that place. It’s a good ol boys club
I don’t disagree with your stance that the Beavers should run the ball more, but this is the second time I have seen this faulty argument about % of run vs pass and how that correlates to wins/losses.
Any casual fan knows you pass more when you’re behind, and run more when you’re ahead. It is obvious that if you look at the stats from wins you will see that there was generally more running involved.
You can’t go into a game and force the metrics to achieve the desired results.
Agreed for the most part. Running or passing should not be dictated by the point spread at the moment. They should be dictated by what works. Sure, the more you’re behind the more you need to eschew running. But one could say that you’re behind because you already have eschewed the run game. But when you’re ahead due to what works and you eschew what works for something that doesn’t work, what should we call that?
The argument is faulty within itself because conditions are fluid. This year, Cal will be an easy win for us because their pass D is as full as a bucket of air. CU was just tearing them up when they decided to try and run. Then they lost. Our run game is a lot better than CU’s is, but it was apparent what was happening. Zony was down because they were too run-heavy. When they fell behind and passed the ball, they tore through Cal like a hot knife through melted butter.
But it’s not necessarily a poor argument when we just crunch the raw numbers. Riley’s system is that much better when the run/pass ratio is somewhere north of 40/60.
“…when you’re ahead due to what works and you eschew what works for something that doesn’t work, what should we call that?” Um……….Riley on a good day?
What I’ve noticed is that when Riley & Co. get behind by a field goal, we don’t really change the game plan, we get behind by a touchdown, and the game plan appears to be flawed to them. When we are ahead and give up a big play, we tend to play with more urgency, but don’t necessarily change the game plan(run/pass). But when we kick a field goal, we feel defeat and get away from the run if it appears to be working, only because he feels the pressure to get TD’s and he feels the best chance of getting yardage is a mix of ‘control and chunk’ yard passes.
It’s not the offense that needs to worry about playing catch up, it’s up to the defense to make stops and adjust. Offense should only be worried about production. if a play doesn’t produce yards, don’t run it again for a series or two. Otherwise, if a play works, run a different play and come back to the working play in that series. Offense shouldn’t care about the score, it’s defense that should care about the score board, not offense.
We’ve certainly discussed the FG v. TD thing. But that was usually because we know what we’ve been told and have seen to be truth over many collective years of viewing football. When you get in the red zone, you lose space on the back end, and passing fails because of the compressed coverage. The only way to make any space in the secondary is to draw the coverage to the line. The only way to do that is to run the ball.
But I don’t think we’re even talking about that. I think what is obscene is that we don’t wait for the secondary to shift forward before we go all pass happy. Nobody in the stadium respects our run game, not even our own coaches.
Did Boston College not force the metrics on USC? Even a casual observer would note that in previous games, Boston College tried for a more balanced approach with mixed results. Oregon forces its metrics every play of every game. For the last one hundred years, in non PC correct “metrics” language, we called it imposing your will. It does not always work. But it appears you are implying that a team must have no plan and must just roll with the punches or use a reactionary strategy. Go with the flow, whatever makes you happy, Let’s worry about tomorrow manana. So you come up to the line of scrimmage, read the defense, then oops no time to change the play or react to the defensive alignment because you left the huddle with 8 seconds left. How does a reactionary strategy work when you are so late to line up (defense has the same issue) that there is no time to react, adjust or change?
Anybody here heard the new Gary Clark Jr live album? Ive been reading good things about it.
It’s okay. He’s certainly better live (as opposed to studio) and doing covers. I’m not really sold on his original content.
I’ll take Robert Randolph and the Family or NMA or John Butler over Gary for now.
I’d also take Tedeschi Trucks in a heartbeat if they ever decided to free Derek’s guitar from that maddening (albeit superior) session work he’s relegated to on their studio stuff.
Almost forgot this kid…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTuT7jXtGYA&list=RDTTuT7jXtGYA#t=93
Local boy Ty Curtis plays some good blues guitar. Originally from Salem but now he’s taken his career to Austin.
Saw him at the Waterfront Blues a couple years back. He plays a nice angry slide.
I’ve seen Ty Curtis several times, very impressed.
Away game in altitude + injuries on D = built-in excuse for losing
OT… maybe better for the Mannion post… maybe this kind of thing bodes well for Mannion as a NFL QB prospect.
http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/equally-inaccurate-an-analysis-of-mel-kiper-jr-and-todd-mcshays-draft-rankings/
I remember last year and wondered why Bridgewater slid down and down on draft boards. He clearly was the best QB coming out, with an NFL arm and vision and an ability to make pre-snap decisions. He’s certainly showing he can do it on the next level, but I’ll still wait until teams get and watch the tape on him and start adjusting to his actual game until I anoint him as arrived. Still, he has managed to show something others have not.
http://www.argusleader.com/story/mattzimmer/2014/10/01/no-one-knows-anything-qbs/16516003/
So… if I’m a college QB I would want to not be in the top ten of any draft board. Unless it’s as obvious as an Andrew Luck, there just isn’t any analysis out there that can be trusted without the accompanying tape. Remember the 2006 draft with Young and Leinart? They certainly forgave many deficiencies for both those guys and made them top flight prospects for whatever reason. Cutler was taken at #11, and that’s probably a little high for what he’s become. But he’s the only QB from 2006 who has done anything since then.
When we talk about decision making with Mannion, are we talking about the play calls plus what he’s left with? If he could pull it down, he would be much more efficient than when we’re watching the current play calls that do occur and are left scratching our heads. But he is the only college QB out west who is asked to make NFL throws and reads (and take it from under center). When it comes to systems and their QBs, this is why we call them gimmicks. They are completely wonderful on the college level because the level of talent varies greatly (including the referees). But they can’t and eventually will not work on the next level. Hell, half of that is because 25% of the system formations are just plain illegal in the NFL. You will never ever see trips strong-side with an uncovered OT on the other side and a covered TE… where the TE releases and is wide open down the seam. That’s a bread and butter formation in the read option. But it’s illegal for at least two rules in the NFL. And I have seen it penalized in Philly this year. For as good a coach as Kelly is, he should never make that mistake.
Anyway, I can’t remember who it was, but there was one analyst back in 2006 who said Leinart would be a bust because he had a noodle arm. Oh but everyone on TV said he had a good arm. Why did this one guy call out all those experts? Because he watched one play where Leinart under-threw a wide open receiver down field and heard one of those TV people say how good and accurate his arm was. So he muted the TV and just started to watch how Leinart actually played. He discovered the truth.
It’s one thing to win a Heisman. It’s another to be an NFL QB.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/CFB-prospect-preview-Marcus-Mariota.html
California is now yes means no. Uof O has 10% raped.
And then there are the LSU types:
http://m.ketknbc.com/w/main/story/121096092/
That’s awesome, and they even videotaped it.
Statutory rape plus abuse of power are awesome?
Did we forget our sarcasm detector at home today?
forgot I need to use a special font for that…
internet is srs bzns
This year, the Civil War basketball game will be held at Dixon due to the number of intramural players on each roster. Dixon has more than enough capacity to hold the expected crowd.
As funny as it may sound, I imagine they’ll find some talent in the tryouts. I went to OSU from 99-03 and there were guys you’d play against at Dixon that would’ve been solid community college players but gave up the dream to focus on getting their degree at a larger school. Come to think of it there were a couple cats who actually were playing at Linn Benton while taking classes at OSU.
There were also football players that would have been D1 bball players had they went that route.
I know I played against Cokley and B. Jackson on several occasions and they didn’t exactly play everyone out of the gym. Especially if they showed up during the 5:00 run.
I could be wrong but I think David Lucas “Walked on.” If memory serves he was done with team ball until playing against guys at Dixon brought the fire back. Then he joined the team sophomore year.
Playing with guys at Dixon, growing four inches and putting on 50 pounds.
Rumor I heard on campus is the players saw him in the rec center and asked him to talk to the coach. I played against him a little bit in Dixon…he dominated for sure.
I used to wear my community college basketball gear in there, until my engineering study load provided less opportunity to play/workout…got rusty and out of shape. Didn’t want people thinking I stole the gear…
Best athlete I played against there was James Newson. Guy could jump out of the gym. I scored 4 buckets in a row on him one night and thought it would be a good idea to start talking trash to him. The fifth trip down I crossed him up on the right baseline and hit from 17′. When I let the ball go I turned to him and said “cash!” or “in your eye” or something equally stupid.
The elbow to the back of the head on the way back down the court reminded me that trash talking James Newson wasn’t such a good idea after all.
We’re u there when he punched out my buddy? A big Persian guy?
I’ve never seen someone get hit so hard.. That was before I really knew J New.. But damn that was cold
The worst basketball player from the football ranks was far and away TJ Houshmanzadeh. The guy could air ball a layup. Like, over the backboard kind of air ball. It was bizarre watching him play.
TJ Houshamomma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs1N5NYyb24
Correct David was actually on my intramural team when he first got to school, I had him join after a couple runs at Dixon. I’m sure u were thinking of me with that quality hoops guys.lol I appreciate that
I’m sure they will find a couple guys to fill out the roster. They should give one of the guys who makes it, the number 6 because they will be a true “6th Man”.
Can’t recall if Lucas walked on. But he did grow quite a bit after his freshman year which took him from a tweener to a legit post player.
They will be a 6th man at which position? We’re only two deep at every position… minus Baker at the SG for now.
Yes, David Lucas initially walked on
David Lucas walked on at OSU and became a two-time all-Pacific-10 Conference forward.
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/11/remembering_maurice_lucas_his.html
Coakley was only a scholarship player because his buddy Jackson came to OSU
Josiah Lake walked on in the late 90’s and played 2 seasons I believe, and he was in the rotation most of that time. they have found talent going that route before.
I feel a loss would finally start the ball rolling in the right direction, albeit 6 years too late.
I’m not so optimistic. I think Riley would play the injury card and BDC would let him off the hook.
Anyone else drinking the AZ kool-aid? Cats can score a ton but I think they get blown out in eugene tonight. But the flaming oprahs will be going down next weekend at FUCLA
Flaming Oprahs? Not sure that’s going to get wheels.
flaming – due to the fact they change costumes as much as Liberace did. And it’s widely known which way his door swung.
oprahs – Their toilet seat logo is identical to the one on oprah’s magazine. Only a different color
http://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2012/11/19/c4c8e534-f0e3-11e2-8c7c-d4ae52e62bcc/52bd0b48762c254d8be753ecf3df9220/oprah_O_logo_298x213.jpg
Therefore – flaming oprahs
I’m also thoroughly convinced Chip Kelly called his offense “the blur” not because of how fast they played but because of how much weed his players smoked.
Disney Sports seeking to create, televise, high school football inter-state bowl series.
It appears high school football may be taking cues from the college game in changing up its postseason format. The Orlando Sentinel reported last week that there were discussions regarding a series of bowl games matching Florida state title winners against title winners from other states. The Florida High School Athletic Association’s board of directors voted to approve the concept Monday. The Illinois-based Paragon Marketing Group and ESPN, which reportedly conceived the idea of a “State Champions Bowl Series,” could stage one to three games in Florida on Dec. 27. This would not be a tournament, as each team would play one game. FAU in Boca Raton is considered a candidate to host the inaugural set of contests, according to The Sun-Sentinel. While intriguing in the abstract, it’s unknown how many states would allow their teams to participate.
http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/09/30/recruiting-roundup-sotonye-jamabo
It’s not even intriguing in the abstract.
OT but somebody mentioned the A’s trade and what Beane would say about it now… http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/billy-beane-stands-by-yoenis-cespedes-trade-even-after-a-s-collapse-172938270.html
Criticism of Beane for that trade is ridiculous. Cespedes is a well known name and has some pop but he just isn’t that good of a player. He doesn’t get on base anywhere near enough. He was a below average hitter with the Red Sox while Lester was really good with Oakland and Oakland still needed pitching with all the injuries they had. Decision to make deal was right one, no way Beane could have seen so many hitters regressing. Players having career years in their lineup came back down to earth and that’s why they collapsed. Cespedes wasn’t really gonna help with that.
Oakland averaged 5.0 runs per game before the trade and 3.5 runs per game after. Is it possible that Cespedes pop in his bat protected some of the other hitters before and after him giving them better pitches to hit? What makes it worse is they gave up Cespedes for a 2 month rental. And Lester is decent but in no way is he elite. He’s better than average but overrated as shit.
They started to regress a bit before he was dealt, it just got a lot worse after he was gone. I think they regress significantly offensively with him too. Oakland didn’t address their offensive issues and it came back to bite them. Defense was very mediocre outside of third base, once the offense regressed it became clear they just overachieved and weren’t that good. They needed a bat at 2nd, 1st base, DH and ss and all they added hitting wise was Adam Dunn. No issues with Cespedes deal but he deserves criticism for not upgrading the offense.
Forgot to add Melester will not be resigning with Oakland.
Disagree. Beane ended up with six designated hitters playing the field every inning of ever game. It doesn’t matter if you have four Star pitchers. You will lose on errors and hits that should be outs. They often cannot reach easy fly balls. They have weak arms and Double AA catching. They are very injury prone at catcher, infield and outfield. They have/had no true closer. Shuffling bodies a la Beane is pr crap.
Arizona has basically become Oregon. Oregon has regressed since the chip Kelly.
I was just gonna post. So much for my prediction. Oregon is not a playoff worthy team at this point. Didn’t Texas-San Antonio take the ‘Cats down to the end? Also, I think it’s easier for Arizona to defend as they practice against it every day.
Arizona has made just a hair more mental errors, otherwise theyd be up at least a full score in the 2nd half. Unfotunately, i dont get to see the rest unfold till tomorrow
Never fails. As soon as Oregon is legitimately threatened, the flags start coming out non-stop for their opponents.
Well, Oregon just bailed them out with a PI call, and Arizona now has the lead again.
Anyone think our Ducks friends are missing Allioti right about now?
Cats lead 24-14 after 3 qtrs at the landfill. GOOOOOOOOO Cats!
4th sack of the night…AAUUGH…come on cat’s funcking ducks so suck
Oregon will win.
Refs will bail them out if Arizona does anything good on the next drive.
There’s the grounding call to help try to kill the drive.
Neither was grounding as he had a receiver in the area. It does not matter if he is outside the “tackle box” if there is a receiver there. Both times there was.
When the ball Sails out of bounds and lands at the feet of the first row of fans, they’ll call that every time…has to be somewhat thrown near said receiver in the area. Mannion is actually quite good at doing this…and taking sacks by tucking the ball unlike mariota did…that’s the difference between knowing what it’s like to get sacked, and not knowing what it’s like to get sacked.
The Pac-12 has to preserve the Oregon/UCLA showdown next week and get Gameday out to the West Coast. It’s inevitable.
Conference benefits too much by having #2 team. Ducks will win, but I’ve been impressed with Arizona for the most part
I’ve been saying all year (maybe not so much on this board) that the best team in the conference is UCLA, not Oregon
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140306235947/clubpenguinpookie/images/3/32/Grumpy_Cat_Good.jpg
Will be a shame if Oregon escapes once again. Eventually, they’re going to get healthy bodies back on the offensive line, and this window of vulnerability will close. Someone needs to take advantage and knock them out of the playoff picture soon.
Well, I’ll be damned. I can’t believe they called a celebration penalty on Oregon there. (hated the one on Arizona earlier, and hated this one, but at least they called it consistently)
Cats pull off the upset 31-24. Mariota fumbles with just over 2 min left to seal their fate. Whiskey is more than pleased to have been wrong with this prediction
Plenty of time left if Arizona scores. Just like last years civil war, somehow mariota will put them on his back amd be an espn darling
Could us as a Beaver fan base BE any more jaded? :-)
Just seen this script played out several times before
I don’t disagree.
Hell of an effort there to strip the ball!
Damn, I cannot believe the refs let Arizona win.
I even told the gf, watch this fumble will get overturned on the review. Happy to be wrong. That was a fumble. Arizona player just took it from Maryohtah
Refs called it tight both ways. Missed calls both ways too. I watched the whole game, they were consistent in the calls they made.
The reason I think they called so many of the calls is because the ref is new and he’s not going to get graded down for missed calls so he has his crew call everything.
Oh please, it’s only USC and other SoCal teams that get ref favoritism. Oregon gets some bad calls to go their way, but they’re otherwise refereed pretty fairly.
Yes, let’s ask Oklahoma about that. Or Washington State a week ago
You mean the rule that was equally enforced AGAINST the Ducks when they played Auburn in the championship game?
But yes, that uncalled Pass Interference during the Washington State game was bad. Too bad one game doesn’t make a pattern.
Sweet. Wish i was able to watch
thanks for the updates beavos
Maybe the Ducks will consider wearing just one of their school colors for the next game?
So does Arizona jump into top 3 or 4? Guess it depends on the rest of the weekend, but pretty neat deal to beat #2 on the road.
That way of thinking only applies to SEC teams. Arizona will be somewhere in the 10-15 range.
Noteworthy how other programs, with more simple offenses, get productive QB play early….RSFR succeed at UO, and at UA.
Also admirable to see another program go into an important game and maintain their composure.
Unbelievable how many rushing yards for Zona between the tackles. Even with the freshman QB who can’t throw a lick the cats couldn’t be stopped.
How soon do we start seeing fire-mark-helfrich.com ?
https://twitter.com/FireHelfrich
Far more proactive than Beav fans
no no no, we want Helfrich to stay. Forever
So sad to see “natty dreams” coming crashing down once again. Couldn’t happen to a nicer program. Window….I say your opportunity has closed!
No Heisman. No top 4 playoff spot. Oregon fans jumping off bandwagon in droves. Thank you Arizona. Honestly, I may have to start watching Arizona instead of the Beavs. Theyre actually fun tp watch.
How big of an upset was this? Line?
Ducks were favored by around 23 pts
this is the only natty oregon will ever get
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/16quacka/DSCN0870.jpg
Come to think of it, Larry Eustachy would be a perfect fit in Eugene instead of Altman
How sad that half of Beaver football fandom is being reduced to rooting against the duckies :/
It’s been that way for a long time.
Duck losses are more entertaining than Beaver wins. I think we can all agree. Sad but true
Sad but true indeed :(
Over at OLive UO fans are calling out Helfrich, Pellum, and Frost.
I don’t have a problem with the ducks now that the punks are gone (Masoli, that CB). I loved Kelly’s coaching, didn’t like his ethics. Mariotta seems genuinely humble and hardworking….Helfrich is fine, if in over his head.
It will be interesting to see how everyone reacts if they lose 2-3 more games, which certainly looks plausible. I wonder if Helfrich is built for this kind of pressure, I suspect not.
Yeah, I do like Mariota. Hated DAT.
People really need to stop returning for “unfinished business” type deals. Looks like it backfires.
Particularly when OSU loses non-conference games at home.
Read option still sucks no matter who’s running it.
I agree. Watching a team run the spread = boring
Nothing wrong with Duck hate……I hate all of their programs, if they had competitive tiddily-winks, I would root for them to lose.
I can’t muster enough care to actually hate. But it is a little funny that you can see the entitlement drain from their fans’ faces.
Jack, I’m impressed….no negative votes. Did you convert the three or four who would give you thumbs down no matter what?
Is U of A that good? They barely beat Cal but have beat U of O twice in a row now.
Cal’s only loss is Arizona, though, so maybe they’re not terrible
Fucking Dylan Wynn for the WIN! His twitter………………………
https://twitter.com/BraedenCounts/status/517919307011874816/photo/1
LMFAO!!!!!
Given he’s never beaten UO, even though on the schedule every year, and no one should have more familiarity with Oregon’s offense than OSU, that’s kinda lame.
I don’t want anyone, ANYONE to ever again say that Mariota is the best quarterback in college football.
Hope he’s bought his parka, because he’s going to need it in Canada.
He is the best QB EVER!
Twitter blowing up right now. Some of these are fucking hilarious!
UA coach Rich Rodriguez designed an offense straight out of the Ka’Deem Carey days. RichRod ate up the clock by running the ball 55 times, more than in any game this season.
YOU FUCKING HEAR THAT RILEY!!!!!!!! Been saying it for years!!!!! That’s the blueprint for beating the ducks. Their offense cannot beat you if they are not on the field. Ball control offense eats up clock, DEFENSE RESTING!!!! I’m not even a fucking coach and I can see this shit
http://tucson.com/sports/columnists/hansen/hansen-scooby-strips-oregon-of-nat-l-title-hopes/article_8016e6de-6912-5c04-a605-767f9fc7f61e.html
Guess I should have stayed up and watched the second half. Great night of football. Pack smacks down the Vikqueens and Quacks still finding their identity.
So……can someone refresh my memory on why Michigan canned Rich Rod? Given the success since then, that decision has really paid off for them.
I read this book a couple of years ago…he’s got issues. One of the better CFB books I’ve read lately.
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Out-Rodriguez-Michigan-Wolverines/dp/B0085RZPY6
Here’s a review from Amazon:
If you are a fan of Michigan football, you must read this. If you are a fan of West Virginia football, you must read this. If you are a fan of the school where Rich Rodriguez will be named the next Head Football Coach (wherever that might be) you must read this. If you are a worldly, curious fan of any big college football program in America, you should read this.
It wasn’t that RR had any issues himself. It was that everyone including the media had issues with him from the start. Remember that he was promised help with the $3m buy-out from WVU only to get snubbed by Michigan and sued by WVU for the full amount. And that was the best part of his tenure… and only the beginning.
I guess Michigan did end up paying him back for that when they bought him out. I’m supposing that book will tell us how Les Miles didn’t get the job when all reports were saying it was a done deal?
Absolutely no one from Michigan wants RR back under any circumstances.
The point was that they never wanted him in the first place, and they made it known to his face at every turn. When that didn’t work, some within the AD office lied about him making the players practice more than 20 hours. Those people got fired for that, if I’m not mistaken. And we talk about our media and how they lie down for our coaches. It was the complete opposite for RR and the Detroit media from day one.
He was hired and then hung out to dry by the administration. The most important thing to know about the Michigan alumni base is their feeling of superiority. A cross between Stanford( I’m smarter than you) and SC( the football universe revolves around us). The country bumpkin from West Virginia with an accent was just a really poor choice for that school. If there is no tie in to Bo Schembechler than that person is persona no grata. Nobody I spoke to the last two years wants him back. He is not a “Michigan man.” They really need to get over themselves on that. See Nick Saban at Bama.
That being said, the whole production and atmosphere at the big house is really cool. First class in all respects. The only thing being sold there is the U of Michigan. I would highly recommend it for the Beav fans next year.
When the Ducks lose their 1-2 games each year, why is the loss always credited to their QB not “being 100 percent” for the game? Scott Frost said this exact thing after the loss last night and I swear the same thing happened last year. (To be sure, Mariota may have actually been injured; MCL sprain?)
Here’s an idea: If you don’t want your QB injured, don’t throw him a freaking halfback pass in the flat so he gets lit up by two DB’s.
Ever since the MSU game I thought the Ducks looked vulnerable, especially on the defensive end of the ball. With their pass defense being atrocious and their offensive line decimated by injuries, it could be a long year for the quack with the toughest part of the PAC schedule coming up.
Wait, Mariota wasn’t at 100% last night? He seemed to be scrambling just fine to me, and likeyou said, he went out as a receiver even to try to get some Heisman style points. Granted I didn’t see the 2nd half, but he didn’t look hampered in the 1st half and Oregon barely held a lead because of an Arizona fumble at the Duck 5 yard line.
I started wondering a couple of weeks ago if the knee injury last year was a complete fabrication. For an organization that has had the policy of not talking about or discussing injuries with the media for the past few seasons, they’ve sure been willing to go to the injury excuse whenever Mariota has looked mediocre.
You know, I usually take the injury thing at face value since a QB in that system is always one play away from a season ending injury. But you’re right. They are ALWAYS close-lipped on the injury front unless they lose and need excuses.
From ESPN’s Chantel Jennings:
“Oregon offensive coordinator Scott Frost told reporters after the game that Mariota was not 100 percent after he was sacked seven times in the Ducks’ 38-31 victory at Washington State in their previous game Sept. 20.”
well shit, nobody is 100% after getting their asses kicked on national tv. Is Scott Frost’s title ‘Captain Obvious’?
Here are my takeaways from the UO-AZ game,
1. Oregon’s biggest strength is also it’s biggest weakness. Oregon has a lot of speed at the skill positions. Helps a lot on offense. But the defense is prone to over pursuing and getting run over. AZ was running right up the gut for much of the game. The 24 yard run on 3rd and 20 in the 4th quarter was indicative of using UO speed against them. The defense was jumping the short routes and left a lot of open space behind them.
2. It’s nearly pointless to rush more than 4 vs Mariota. Many times he chose to stay in the pocket instead of running. AZ sacked him 4 times. 2 times causing a fumble. When there were only 3 rushing, he had difficulties finding open receivers.
3. Oregon’s oline is beat up bad. The LT is one to pick on all game. Bull rushes were his weakness. The RT didn’t fare a whole lot better. AZ was getting a good push up front to keep UO from moving the point of attack.
4. I think UO made a bad choice in choosing Pellum to be the d coordinator. Ignoring the lower teams, they’ve given up 27, 31 and 31 points on defense.
Hard to see them winning out with those weaknesses. Does that translate to an OSU victory? No but it gives a good idea of how to beat them.
Let the game begin!
Since we know these keys, then we also know that they know these keys. So we need to know that they know these keys and probably also know that we know these keys. So we also have to assume that they know we know they know we know these keys.
Ummm… pass the ball a lot?
Looks like PAC-12 north is up for grabs… battle of underwhelming coaches: Newbie Peterson, Aunt Patty, former boy-wonder Helfrich, Mr. no-pulse Shaw, the guy at CAL that I can’t remember and, of course, our very own the inimitable, original hip-hip-hooray man Mike Riley. Neat stuff. Power is shifting to the south. JB
PS: Oh.. just remembered…. Spike Dykes or something like that at CAL.
Aunt Patty told me she was a big fan of dykes
Oh I also see that the penalty called on Washington was not really ticky tack or refs not being able to swallow their whistles. According to Rule 9-2-1d, the “celebration rule”, bowing after a good play is specifically listed as a no no. Pretty black and white.
http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2i64ul/the_celebration_penalty_against_oregon_was/
After Helfrich was hired, I posted here that having known Mark and the entire Helfrich family my entire life, he wasn’t fit to be the head coach at Oregon. I said he wasn’t an innovator, and the best he could do was hope to maintain the systems already installed at Oregon. I hate to see a guy I knew growing up fail, but not everyone is fit to be a head coach. There’s nothing wrong with being a very good coordinator.
Chip Kelly had an OC?
I know CU had one from 2006-08 under Hawkins.
So… did anyone else hear the hype which was completely contradictory to what we were seeing from the best college QB/player in the country?
When he throws a pass to a curl where the receiver is wide open but has to drop down and behind to adjust to the ball… he throws “a dart.” When he throws an out that should be picked because he doesn’t have the arm strength to make that pass which would have been wide open… he throws “into a tight window.” When he throws over the top and the receivers break it off because the S is obviously there over the top… “they’re not on the same page.” When he sets his base to throw where he eventually does throw the ball to a wide open receiver (who still has to adjust), but his head is turned away from his feet… he “runs through his reads quickly.”
It’s not just Mariota. It’s that way with just about any QB who is a media darling. It was the same with Manziel, Bradford, Newton, you name him. The Solomon kid for Zony was worse. I’d stuff their run and make him beat us any time. And he would probably do it to us because he can run… but that’s another story. But he couldn’t see the D or hit anything on the button outside of five yards. He did have one nice touch pass that went over a LB and fell. But that should have been knocked away by a competent CB. He also has a noodle arm. But I guarantee he will get the same hype as he gets older if Zony continues to win.
These guys are/were all great as system QBs on the college level. But when you turn off the hype and watch their specific play as it might relate to the NFL level, there is a vast ocean between the hype and reality. You don’t get five seconds to survey the field and run around against slow pudgy teenage amateurs in the NFL. Your decisions are not between one slightly open receiver, another who is wide open and a check down who was forgotten by the D. They’re decisions between hitting that singled man with a strong throw or that other doubled man who can give you a small window if you’re on time… or hoping your TE or check down can find a hole and gain a small amount before pursuit catches him… all on a three count… if you’re lucky.
While it may look like the NFL is trending toward mobile QBs, there will be no shift to the systems which make mobile college QBs look so outstanding in the stats. It will not work when you face a complete team, and you’re going to start getting beat up against even the lesser teams even when you win. There is no advantage to having small and fast players when every other player is big and just as fast… and mature, talented, highly trained and football-smart enough to be on an NFL roster.
So it seems what is best in an NFL QB prospect would be someone with a strong arm who played in a pro-style offense in college and has some wheels and smarts. Everyone else looks like either a journeyman back-up (Mannion), a rehash of Andre Ware/Klinglers or another RGIII.
I noticed that, too. The announcers were using these adjectives about the balls Mariota was throwing, but they looked like they were sort of loopers to me.
Love that Arizona went ahead and rubbed it in last night on twitter after the game
https://twitter.com/AZATHLETICS/status/517917935759671296/photo/1
Tell that to Russell Wilson. If I’m not mistaken, Seattle sometimes runs the read option. Other teams run elements of the Pistol. And as far as size goes, last years’s Seattle receivers were munchkins. And size is not a guarantee in the NFL of Steve Smith, Golden Tate, Daren Sproles and Brandin Cooks Arkansas line is bigger than all NFL offensive lines.. NFL will never fully implement read option and/or spread. This is true. But NFL largely does not experiment with anything. It adopts ideas from D1 or lower after the qc testing over a period of years. But back to the point of QB. Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick were not those prototypical guys…and neither is Peyton who calls his own plays and is not a system robot.
Yes, you will see elements of different systems here and there. The run-n-shoot (aka the spread) still gets play. The West Coast occupies more space in playbooks than most other systems. The pistol is just the run-n-shoot in I formation and with a shallower shotgun. You still have to make sure, quick reads and fit the ball in tight windows
But the read “option” isn’t really used that much like an option in the NFL. The mesh point is still there. But most plays are already “optioned” by the coach’s play call. It’s either a run or a play-action. The only option really available on that level is on play-action if the QB sees a wide open field and can run instead of passing. But even that’s not really happening. Watch Kaep run the “read option.” The RB sometimes doesn’t even get close to the mesh point. And then he either runs a route or goes looking for a block.
Remember last night when Mariota got smacked after handing it off on one of these plays? Even the announcers were saying, “I don’t know why we don’t see more of that. That’s completely legal.”
That’s going to happen on the NFL level. Then it’s either buh bye to that system or buh bye to football in general because rules will be passed to protect poor QBs who run misdirections. They aren’t going to do that.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/05/nfl-confirms-read-option-qbs-can-be-hit-like-runners/
The only reason Wilson wasn’t prototypical was size. The only reason Kaep wasn’t prototypical was because of accuracy. But both ran systems in college which are translated to NFL systems quite easily. The pistol will far outlive the read option because it has a place within it to pound the ball with all the big nasties up front. You can’t do that in the read option because you need to be more agile to get to your blocks, and the big nasties on D are just too big and athletically gifted to make that a reality. And the back seven know this and won’t be fooled by misdirection as easily because of it.
Kind of bummed the Ducks lost and are clearly taking a step back. I think a lot of the old timer Beaver fans take Duck losses as Beaver victories. If anything this takes a bit of heat off of Riley and co.
But it makes losing to the Ducks in the Civil War less excusable. Especially at home
it’s because of their arrogant asshole bandwagon fanbase. I hate Notre Lame just as much. If Oregon was playing Al Qaeda next weekend, I would be rooting for Al Qaeda. If I see someone with a duck shirt, hat, or toilet seat logo on their vehicle, I instantly think that person is a complete douchetard. More often than not I’m right.
They run the AK 47, not the pistol.
How does a Duck loss make Riley less responsible for the brainfart allowing USC to pull off that hail Mary?
And Oregon has been taking small backward steps ever since the NC game with Auburn. That was their high point.
Way OT – I just looked at the MBB facebook page. To paraphrase Gov. Atiyeh, ‘it’s amazing how much gets done when no one is trying to claim credit’ – so I don’t want to get into who gets credit for the basketball practice facility – but damn, that is one beautiful edifice.
Did Atiyeh borrow that from Reagan (2-29-88) or the other way around?
Pretty sure that’s a paraphrase of a Benjamin Jowett quote.
dunno about Reagan or Jowett – It was attributed to Atiyeh in his Oregonian obituary although I doubt anyone thought it was original with him.
“The way to get things done is not to mind who gets the credit for doing them.”
–Jowett
Great quote. So true.
Imagine taking too much joy in the Duck’s loss and having the Beavers drop one in Boulder.
There there. The ducks lost on Thursday, and no one can ever take that away from us.
….when does basketball start?
Wanting a rival to lose is very normal.
It’s fun.
Satisfying.
I’m a Red Sox fan…I want the Yankees to rot. I’m not alone in this. Out here in the soft West we apologize for rivalries.
Celtics Lakers (80’s) – Steelers Raiders (70’s) – Dodgers Giants – Seahawks 49ers (modern) – Auburn Alabama – Michigan Ohio State
I don’t want Oregon fans on MY side. I’m not on theirs.
I don’t buy into the “it’s all good for the state of Oregon” bullshit (even though economically it probably is)…..try that for the state of Alabama.
Sports hate is good! I enjoy watching Oregon, ND and Nebraska lose, it feels right. Although with ND and Nebraska it was pretty pathetic there for awhile.
I think the “fumbilitis” could be Mariota’s achilles heel. If you can get to him, you can make him cough it up. If he thinks he is getting hit hard now, wait until the next level. I also think it doesn’t get talked about much because it seems like the Ducks recover a lot of their own fumbles, I don’t know if it’s luck or what, but the Wazzu fumble could have been a game changer, but somehow the Ducks got it.
Maryotah will never make it at the next level. Weak arm. He is not Collin Kaepernick or Russell Wilson. Shit, even RGIII is already damaged goods. The old adage protect your QB, still rings true. Remember in 2007 (Beavs last win at the landfill) the ducks were down to their 5th string QB? Justin “goat” Roper ring a bell? Maryotah will not last the season behind that shit O line.
A little late…but this was our game planning and play calling last week at USC:
http://mlkshk.com/p/54DT