- Bringing in Seth Collins to play QB.
- Bringing in a DC who would very likely be gone after a year or two, while in the process of (at least) a 3 year rebuild.
- Demoting Baldwin. This is a big deal, because Baldwin has ties to all the Bay Area recruits, and that move closed the door on many 2017 Bay Area kids. What is more odd is Baldwin was not that bad considering he had no QB to work with and was probably compensating for that with “creative” (bizarre) play calls. Crowton comes on as a consultant, and suddenly Crowton’s son in law is the offensive coordinator? I think GA lets people get in his ear and is maybe easily influenced by outside [coaches’] opinions, especially since he claims to know little about offense.
Year 2 of a rebuild should not have this much disarray. The McGiven/Baldwin situation is really disturbing, too, with regard to recruiting. Something smells rotten with that situation, and I would not be surprised to see Baldwin leave entirely. People might think that’s not big deal, but he has major recruiting ties (e.g. no 4-star Thompson without Baldwin).
Nothing scares off recruits more than shifting coaches and/or losing coaches. With Crowton, it was a too many cooks in the kitchen situation. If you didn’t trust Baldwin after half a season why hire him to begin with? Andersen really messed up this year. Two wins is one thing, and something many expected, but his handling of the rest was poor for such an experienced coach. It feels like something weird is going on behind the scenes.
Wow
My thoughts, exactly!
Aren’t you the same guy that blasted Riley for sticking with his coordinators for so long? Now your questioning Andersen when he is doing exactly what you wanted Riley to do. I don’t buy for one minute that Andersen is oblivious and didn’t see this coming. You must like conspiracy theories because this is similar to what you said about the QB situation earlier this year. You alluded that Andersen is doing some bias thing and not doing what’s best for the team. I don’t buy it Angry, take this story to the tabloid, because that’s all it’s worth.
Aren’t you the same guy that blasted Riley for sticking with his coordinators for so long? Now your questioning Andersen when he is doing exactly what you wanted Riley to do
Ah the life is simple/black and white fallacy, always a sign of a lack of comprehension. Those pesky nuances, like Riley wasn’t in the middle of a rebuild with this coordinators, his coordinator always had viable QBs, all those guys had more than 1 year to prove themselves, weren’t known key recruiters in the bay area, etc.
But yeah, in your prehistoric Brontosaurus brain keep believing it’s the same situation because both situations involved coordinators.
I guess your right Angry I am having trouble comprehending your logic. In your case what you call a nuance is a big contradiction to me. Let’s go over this again, on one hand you want the head coach to make changes to the staff instead of sticking with the old guard but on the other hand when a coach does make a change, you say it’s some grand conspiracy. Then on one hand you say Sitake was “overrated” and that cordinators don’t matter much, but on the other your calling the situation with the offense a big deal. So which one is it Angry? I know things are slow but the narrative you are creating is just hard to buy. Oh I forgot we don’t have inside info like you. Remind me, didn’t you have some ” inside info” about Seth Collins leaving and fake injuries? That inside info is always so accurate, I’ll take logical explanations instead. Leave that sensationalism at home please.
Again, prehistoric Brontosaurus brain in action. I JUST explained this, that just because two sentences have the word “coach” or “coordinator” in them doesn’t make them the same.
Let’s go over this again, on one hand you want the head coach to make changes to the staff instead of sticking with the old guard but on the other hand when a coach does make a change, you say it’s some grand conspiracy.
I don’t want the head coach to make random changes for the sake of it or do I want knee jerk reaction, or any other ridiculous reason. Does this make sense to you? If not, we’re done because I can’t be any more clear. Riley should have changed because those coordinators were awful for a long period of time.
Then on one hand you say Sitake was “overrated” and that cordinators don’t matter much, but on the other your calling the situation with the offense a big deal.
Draw a Venn Diagram and look at the intersection of the two statements. That should be clear enough.
But I doubt you can comprehend that, so i’ll spell it out for you:
1. Sitake was overrated.
2. Baldwin had a long track record and no QB, so he was still an unknown.
3, Coordinators don’t matter that much.
4. My focus has mainly been on recruiting angle. This is a big deal from a recruiting perspective, straight from horses mouths.
All true. Or at least all my opinion. Where’s the contradiction coming from? It happens when YOU put words in my mouth and misconstrue (due to your lack of comprehension, as noted, you see buzzwords or keywords and think they mean the same thing in all context) and try to compare it to Riley, which there is no comparison. It happens when YOU try to compare Sitake leaving to Baldwin being demoted, which again, there is no comparison. It happens when YOU write there’s a “grand conspiracy” (show me where I wrote that).
You’re a fucking moron dude. I don’t know how to be any more clear.
Again Angry the genius trying to distance himself from the contradicting statements he makes daily and then has to resort to name calling when someone questions his logic. No need to take it personal Angry. I was pointing out that you tend to make a bigger deal out of things than they truly are. You act like GA is some amateur who doesn’t know how to manage people. You don’t get in the position he is without being good at those things. If anything your the one who looks simple minded because you truly believe you know more about football and coaching than a professional who does that for a living. I’ll give it to you angry, you truly are the ultimate arm-chair QB. Then you wonder why you cant get a press pass.
Ask WI fans or BeavGopher if GA knows how to manage things.
So we’re back to “coaches always know best”. This seems to be the default claim when things get testy. Shit, too bad you guys didn’t extend “coach knows best” to Baldwin. He was written off as garbage after a dozen bad play calls. Good luck resolving that cognitive dissonance.
Really that’s your source Angry? A bitter and delusional fanbase who just lost their head coach to lowly Oregon State, yeah I am sure they give the skinny on everything with no bias at all. Yeah that’s so believable! I am sure Mr. Alvarez is such a joy to work with too. He had his hands all over that program. You want talk about nuances and such, yet you leave out certain facts because they don’t fit the narrative your trying to create.
Lol, when did I say that’s my source? You get dumber and dumber with each post!
You’re right I get even more dumb every time I have to respond to your illogical statements. Let me break it down you said ask Wisconsin fans about GA’s management skills, AKA: your source. Can you comprehend that? Now in my last post replace “that’s your source” with “Badger fans”. Now re-read the sentence. I know that was a lot of steps but your a bright guy I am sure you’ll figure it out ;)
H_I_C,
You can’t pull the logic card after your first sentence. You started off comparing cold, wet noodles to oranges.
The rest is quite funny too.
I love this site and most of the opinions, but Angry sounds a bit like Jack here…
It’s a thing.
I think the argument is odd timing and seemingly panicked. But bringing the criticism of Riley and his coordinators into the discussion is so far off base as to be laughable. The closest any comparison can be is when Chryst left. And even that situation was different by quite a bit.
I brought up Lockette way way way below because that would be a panick button for me. I don’t think he’ll go anywhere. But he will eventually. And there need to be contingencies when things like that or this happen. We were all wondering who the RB coach would be this time last year. I think Lockette is a good example of how GA thinks about hiring his assistants. I don’t know that he’ll go with a fresh face who is connected for the DC position. But I know he thinks about recruiting as a component of the hire.
The timing is only because the media is focused on Sitake, and according to recruits, the Baldwin situation is a bigger deal. Holding this class together is everything. They lose key guys or make the wrong hires and the program is set back a year. A lot of this could have been avoided with some forethought, so GA deserves the criticism.
I bet if they didn’t make any changes to the offensive staff and the O struggled again next year you’d be bashing GA for being too loyal to his friends, like Riley was.
My glass half full take on this is Baldwin was on board with the changes (possibly due to retiring in the next few years) and maybe this was a move to not only prevent BYU from poaching McGiven, but to also groom him as the OC of the future?
I noticed in Eggers column today, he said McGiven’s presence “played a big role” in getting Darrel Garretson to come here. And Garretson has groomed Moran before, so maybe with that trickle down effect, you cut out the middle man as much as possible and put McGiven in a more direct role with the offense.
Do we know that Baldwin had to take a pay cut? Maybe the title isn’t as important to him anymore? We just don’t know that piece of the puzzle as far as I know. Maybe he sticks around and is still just as important in recruiting. He has done a great job in that regard so far.
It’s too bad, because I was looking forward to seeing his offense at full strength, but perhaps he’ll still have some significant influence in the next few years.
Again, this is just my personal “hopeful” assessment of the situation. Hopefully we hear more on the situation soon and it’s not as bad as it seems.
I know, i know….hope is not a plan
Here’s the trib article for reference:
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/286324-162644-garretson-a-contender-to-lead-osu-offense
So earlier I gave ^^this^^ glass half full take on the Baldwin situation.
Now I’m amending that to say I’m now a “glass half empty” guy with this situation, based on a couple of conversations I had earlier today.
I agree with Gary Horowitz and don’t believe Baldwin will stick around much longer, but I have no idea how much longer. Bummer. I like him and was looking forward to see his offense after a couple seasons of roster building and experience under the belt.
Nicebeav, if that’s the case GA should come out and say all parties were on board with the Baldwin move.
For what? So that know what’s going on, as long as the staff is in the same page and recruits who cares who you announce it to. I haven’t seen any de-commits so far, that’s a big sign to me. Andersen doesn’t mess around and I think it’s hard for people to understand because Riley was there for so long and he did the exact opposite. We will see how it plays out but I don’t understand the panic at this point.
Seems like he’s gone public a little late on more than one topic this year, only after people start asking questions (like the post michigan stuff, or Seth’s injury)
So that might be the case again here. Only thing is, he announced this stuff right before the staff broke for their holiday break so there probably wont be any public comments until they return, whenever that is.
I’m not too worried about coordinators moving on as long as the new guys use the same schemes. Changing philosophies is much different than changing coaches.
Recruits mainly come for the head coach. They may have close relationships with the assistants but they generally want to play for the head coach. I’m not worried about guys being poached. It would have happened anyways no matter if the coaches stayed or not.
To say it would have happened anyway isn’t necessarily true. If the recruit has a close relationship with Sitake or Baldwin and see this mayhem, then it’s more likely to happen than if things were settled.
Agree recruits mainly come for the head coach and playing time, too.
At the very least GA should address it all with honesty, because from the outside it looks like mayhem and the return of nepotism (i.e. McGiven/Crowton). As someone noted, that might be a defensive move to keep him from going to BYU, but that doesn’t make sense if he was going to be offered the OC job at BYU. The timing of that did suggest defensive move.
Some of us here have more info than you guys, and we’re told the Baldwin situation is not going over well with Bay Area recruits. It’s not a conspiracy or speculation.
GA doesn’t have to address it with anyone but the recruits.
He hasn’t done that at this point, from what I hear. There is some discontent out there and alot of questions.
Can’t say I’m too worried right now. Weren’t you the one saying Sitake was overrated, anyway? Even if you’re worrying about losing his recruiting chops, he’s already told one kid he can’t come to BYU because the class is already complete, and we only lost one assistant in the process. Right now, I won’t worry unless the next season is as disastrous as this one was.
I am with you. Most programs seem to have at least some turnover every year and it seems a little like a knee jerk reaction from us as fans as well to worry to much about turnover. Granted, it still makes sense that we would follow and discuss the changes.
KS would have been here at least 1 more year if not 2 had not Bronco bolted for UVA. Nobody saw that move coming and BYU has a VERY limited pool to draw from for Head Coaches. KS would not have gotten a head coaching gig within the next 2 years with any other program. The stars just happened to align just right for him to get the BUY gig. No way GA would have known that Bronco was going to bolt BYU. I give him a pass on this.
I also give him a pass on Seth Collins at QB. He had zero to work with and took a shot at a home run. Did not work out but he was / is being proactive
The Baldwin thing does seem a little strange. Will wait to see how it plays out but I do think he may have stubbed his toe on this one. Time will tell.
Off topic,
If you purchased single game tix to the civil war, check your email. OSU comp’d me two tix to a conference game of my choice for purchasing civil war tix
I got that email too. Sweet deal. 3 tickets for me.
Total off-topic:
We know Riley skated, but how on earth has our volleyball coach lasted so long?! Probably because no one gives a crap about volleyball.
Back on topic, everything that’s gone on lately makes it hard to tell if GA is proactive or just throwing darts. Hoping for the first. I think he is planning as well as he can and will do all right, but I am getting concerned.
People are under the belief that since Liskevych is a former Olympic coach that he is a genius. Genius he is not. BTW, go to any of the home games and you will see a disinterested coach. During the USC game, he was completely checked out and didn’t engage with any of the players. He needs to go. They need to clean house and bring in a bright young person with energy.
Without title 9, do we even have a volleyball team?
Just can’t imagine it’s high on the priority list and having a coach is more of a requirement than anything.
Need 17 teams to be in the Pac. But what would you replace it with otherwise? Men’s volleyball?
Competitive cheerleading
High level volleyball is great. We have had season tickets for years here in Minneapolis. OSU needs to get rid of him. Plenty of young up and comers would love a job in the PAC.
My ex lived with 4 volleyball players last year. From what I gathered, they all pretty much knew they weren’t getting any coaching and the seniors took it upon themselves to make that team a contender a year ago. Terry isn’t doing anything.
did they all walk around in their short shorts all day? That’s how I imagine a house full of volleyball players
I think that Liskevych bought himself this year and perhaps another year by getting last years team to the sweet 16.
The main reason that was an accomplishment is because the program is usually terrible. Guy’s been here for 10 years, come on!
I agree that a new coach would be nice. I reviewed my post and felt like I came across as a supporter. I was just trying to offer a possible explanation for what is happening right now. The 9 other years have not been pretty, but it was nice to get into the sweet 16. No other team has ever gotten that far even before Liskevych. The other thing he has as an argument for staying is the team performs very well in the classroom.
I hope they make a change soon.
GA has dropped the ball on contacting recruits to reassure them about the coaching changes. There’s several guys who haven’t heard a thing since this whole thing started with Sitake and the demotion of Baldwin.
It’s no contact time right now. The only way the can communicate is through writen letters and I’m not sure that includes emails or not. Someone else can explain it better.
Wrong. They can contact via email, Twitter, text, etc. Just no in-person.
What I’m trying to say is they can’t pick up a phone and call them.
Here’s a piece by Gary Horowitz last week, predicting Baldwin will be moving on.
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/sports/blogs/horowitz/2015/12/17/baldwin-demotion-osu-offensive-coordinator-not-surprising/77504360/
Also, I’ve been told Baldwin’s demotion didn’t involve a salary reduction.
It’s all normal…to hire an OC and then bring in a consultant halfway through the year, then demote the OC. All normal head coaching behavior….
Lol.
We know more than these guys so I guess we can’t get too frustrated that they’re spinning their hamster wheels trying to rationalize this stuff as good or normal.
Too much may be being read into hiring Crowton. Crowton was in town to see his relative, McGiven. McGiven asked if he could watch practice. Crowton enjoyed himself and GA asked him to hang out for a while. Crowton is an experienced coach whose input he could get at a bargain price. Why not?
Maybe if you stopped acting like you were morally superior to everyone else and calling everyone lemmings, then people would be more willing to listen to you. If you’ve got insider information here that everyone else doesn’t have, POST IT. And I don’t mean vague platitudes like “some recruits are unhappy with the Baldwin situation.” I mean actual screenshots of the emails you received telling you that (with the source’s email address/personal info blanked out, of course), or even better, actual quotes from the Bay Area recruits in question (who can be left anonymous of course) that voice their concern of the situation.
Give us something that’s actually concrete, and then we’ll be more inclined to believe you.
You don’t get to be super skeptical, then call your readerbase idiots when we’re skeptical of your skepticism. That’s newspaper/mainstream media behavior crap, and you’re better than that.
So don’t read the blog. I didn’t call you a moron or the fanbase morons; I called Chuckie a moron. Because he is. But you’re being a moron here by not seeing that, taking it personally, and claiming I called everyone a moron.
NiceBeaver has seen the quotes. We’re not authorized to share them. The recruiting thing is an issue. You can believe it or not.
I actually think you’re a nice guy and smart, fwiw! But your comment is stupid.
“Lol.
We know more than these guys so I guess we can’t get too frustrated that they’re spinning their hamster wheels trying to rationalize this stuff as good or normal.”
This is the quote I take more issue with than anything you said to Chuckie.
Also, when you say you’re not authorized to share them, I assume you mean your sources don’t want you sharing them. Otherwise, I’m curious as to what that means. Couldn’t you just show the screenshots, but blank out all identifying information with black boxes or something?
I don’t know what constitutions violations, etc. I let NiceBeaver handle those decisions. He knows more about it. If he can share it I’m sure he will. I just read them. Beaverkman, too, has seen it.
I’ve talked with some of the sources but only when necessary. These guys do a great job.
Horowitz also said Collins would never play another down for OSU after his injury. Nostradamus, he is not.
Nostradamus wasn’t even Nostradamus. Dude wrote vague shit that could be interpreted a million ways. Because Horowitz was wrong on one thing doesn’t mean he’s always wrong. Fallacy fallacy in action right there.
You’re also shooting the messenger because you don’t like the message. I think what Horowitz is saying is that it’s a fucked up situation, and he’s right on that.
It’s his opinion, not fact. You seem to take it at face value, that’s fine. I’m pointing out he has been wrong before, not because he’s always wrong, because he most likely knows as much as anybody here and making a guess. The fact that Baldwin is keeping his salary indicates this wasn’t a true “you suck” moment. Show me were someone is demoted and keeps their salary the same. It seems to be a burn out or they are making him handle Collins and maybe they are setting some one else for the same coaching, perhaps Lucas?
Bringing in a consultant mid-season is not normal. It could be interpreted as pro-active, as in realizing there was a big problem (either offensive production or the guy in charge of same) or desperately reactive. On balance, I lean to the former.
The subsequent promotion of McGiven is hardly unusual on the face of it; it’s the sort of thing that happens all the time, even within programs that are doing well, or reasonably well: like what we’ve seen at SC and UW since the end of the season. Given the Utah connection, once Andersen realized that he was likely to lose Sitake he wanted to limit the damage to the defensive side of things, figuring one or more defensive assistants were also at risk. Such losses would only be compounded if Sitake took some offensive assistants as well.
That said, the fact that BYU could pose such a threat to the sustainability of Andersen’s program is testimony to the fact Andersen has a long way to go to solidify the perspective on the attractiveness of Corvallis as a football venue. If Andersen is to be faulted it lies in the fact that he made himself vulnerable with his reliance on the Utah nexus.
What did McGiven do to earn a promotion? The QBs were awful.
So he gets a bump in salary, and Baldwin stays on at his current salary. Not only do I see no merit, but I see wasted money.
I’m open to hearing how McGiven earned this.
There was the one report (which may not be true) that McGiven called the plays in the the second half of the Oregon game.
Still, one half of calling plays vs Baldwin calling plays for years on a top offense at CSU?
I am with you on this. Just trying to see all sides and options. I like Baldwin and wish he had a chance to show what he could do this year. There is a good chance that the new situation could actually be great. I like McGiven as OC as well. I think that Baldwin would do very well in the new position. The problem is going to be keeping everyone happy or mostly Baldwin.
Oh, also I am sure you know this, but this isn’t McGiven’s first rodeo as an OC either. I think that is important to remember, too. Forgot to mention that. Also, I hope this doesn’t negatively affect our recruiting as well, but it seems like the only thing we can do there is wait and see.
1 – Who else could we have gotten that late in the game? We needed to bring somebody in in December, that was the kid we were able to convince. If Kafentzis was smart, it would have been him. It wasn’t, so they moved on to the second option. That second option will now go forward as a bigtime threat on offense, so he’s still going to contribute.
2* – That’s a loser’s mentality, we needed to get the very best guy we could. Who could have foreseen Bronco Mendenhall leaving? If he hadn’t Sitake would have been here through at least next season as that’s the only realistic job he might have left for.
3 – Can’t really argue that, it’s weird. At least he made the move quick and didn’t let the team linger with a bad fit at OC.
* Speaking of loser’s mentality, can we ditch the ‘luck of the Beavers’ meme? God damn that shit’s annoying, it’s a complete ‘Beta Mike Riley’ attitude and I guarantee none of the players or coaches say shit like that. (At least not the ones who will stick with the program long term.)
Things happen, you make adjustments and get better, you don’t sit around and wring your hands about bad luck. Make your own luck.
Posted a comment briefly touching on this a few threads back. In total agreement on this one. Any objective analysis of the GA era shows many more negatives than positives thus far. One year in and very little progress has been made. However, I’ve said before that this would take a WSU-like amount of time to turn this program around and there’s still plenty of time before I start calling for his head. Still a very very shaky first year that much is undeniable
I’m not calling for his head. I’m calling for him to get out of his own fucking way. The guy is self sabotaging.
Maybe there is some method to the madness, but it will sure be a circuitous and illogical route.
It’s like walking through the woods and instead of taking the blazed trail you decide to whip out a machete and bushwhack. Why?
So let’s say GA promoted McGiven as a defensive move to prevent Sitake from taking him. That’s a theory many have. But it doesn’t make sense.
1. Wouldn’t Sitake just offer him the OC job, and if McGiven really wanted to be at BYU he’d take it?
2. Is it worth losing recruiting ties in the bay area (i.e. recruits upset over Baldwin demoted/leaving) over McGiven? Is there such thing as a QB Guru, or are there just good and bad QBs who make the coach look like a genius or an idiot? I mean I saw no growth from any QB this year. Zero. They all looked the same game one and game 12. So why is McGiven considered a QB guru?
Unless Baldwin asked to be demoted (say, stress or a health issue) that move makes zero sense. This all seems knee jerk and bizarre, and it fits with WI fans said about GA. That he doesn’t know how to handle offense (BeavGopher to thread to elaborate). Now we’re seeing it. When he says he lacks patience he’s not kidding.
3. If promoting McGiven/demoting Baldwin was for the future, why didn’t he do it last year? Let McGiven learn during a year when they’re expected to be awful. Now you have Baldwin on staff being overpaid for what he’s doing. More wasted money.
on one point I think you are mistaken. McMaryon showed tremendous growth in the last game versus what we had seen from him in his earlier appearances.
Hard for me to evaluate improvement in McMaryion’s game since he was in so many dicey situations earlier in the season. Effectiveness of a QB takes a big uptick when those around him show up.
Still a small sample, overall.
Agreed. Poor McMaryion was put in awful situations against Weber State and at Michigan. Then again at Arizona right?
From the sounds of it, McGiven and Woods called the plays in the 2nd half of the Civil War. I agree that it looks extremely odd to demote Baldwin, but I will say that I watched all of the games this year and that was the first time that I didn’t see OSU completely abandon the run game after half time. If it was McGiven, I give him a lot of props for finally giving the backs a chance ouside of the first drive of a game.
I usually 100 percent agree with Angry, but I dont believe that in this conversation. Baldwin was horrible and could only pre plan 1 great opening drive a game. Watch the games. He was innovative the first drive, but couldn’t understand what actually worked after that.
I haven’t seen who the OC for BYU is going to be so do we know for sure that McGiven is staying at OSU?
Sounds like it will be Ty Detmer.
I would think that Andersen still thinks highly of both McGiven and Baldwin. Remembering that somewhat explains the odd shuffling while retaining Baldwin’s salary. In short an attempt to keep your staff while putting them in the positions you think are best for the team. Granted the decisions may not be good (time will tell), but he made them probably for those reasons.
Maybe Baldwin’s focus will be Collin’s future role with the offense? That’d be a big job!
and then over in the twitter column, is the pic of Andersen in Boise watching the Utah State game. What’s up with that, trying to poach an assistant from USU?
One of his kids plays for USU. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s talking to people down there about the DC job while he’s away.
What recruit is upset about Baldwin?
I’ll let NiceBeaver handle all those questions b/c he knows better what can be said or not.
Reporting you to the compliance office. Communicating with recruits is forbidden, and frankly I am pissed off that you are sabotaging recruits and their families by your direct communication with them via your “BeavsRecruiting” twitter account.
Dude is this a joke? WTF is the compliance office going to do? No one here works for the football team, or even the school to our knowledge.
Have you gone on twitter? Do you see how many fans interact with recruits and vise versa? Are you going to turn Angie and Blitz in too? Turn in all of the paid services.
Personally I think corresponding with recruits is a little creepy, but not as bad as people trying to turn it into a business and monetizing it.
This might be the dumbest comment in the history of angrybeavs, and people have said some stupid shit on here.
It’s obvious you know nothing about NCAA bylaws.
@DamBeaver: What is it that you’re trying to accomplish and who pays the penalty, the fans or OSU or both?
Who says anybody has spoken directly with a recruit about this? There are plenty of other people out there who do the talking.
Feel free to tell mom and dad if you feel the need. There’s no wrong doing in letting you know what somebody else told me. It’s up to you if you want to believe the information or not.
Nice. That troll is out of left field.
maybe so, Jack, but he is technically correct. You don’t have to work for OSU to be in violation of the NCAA “booster” rule; all you have to be is a donor or someone whose efforts support the program in-kind. I think this site might qualify under that construction.
I can’t help but wonder if DamBeaver is someone who’s ox has been gored somehow by this blog. Angie or someone similar perhaps? Possibly a negative impact on their gravy train.
Don’t know or care. They don’t scare me, and frankly he/she can fuck off.
Machado has probably had a million violations, so let’s report her. I’m not a donor (at least not since the twitter went up) nor do I support the program. If anything I criticize it, which is a band handed support, but I doubt anyone reading this site would say it’s supportive. So any violation charge fails. Plus many times people contact us not the other way around.
I actually wrote Machado an email extending the olive branch a few months ago. She wasn’t interested in doing so.
“You don’t have to work for OSU to be in violation of the NCAA “booster” rule; all you have to be is a donor or someone whose efforts support the program in-kind. I think this site might qualify under that construction.”
Holy fuck! Some dude’s blog with a twitter account committed an NCAA violation? I can just see it now. Angry going before the almighty NCAA infractions committee. Do you know how ridiculous that statement is?
I know. So ridiculous. Think about the people who are the “staff” at any of the Rivals/Scout/247 sites. They’re all fans and supporters of their respective teams. Fans before they turned it into a job, promoting their team’s events/ticket sales/merch sales/talking to recruits directly/talking to coaches directly/owning season tickets. But since they sell a subscription they’re not in any violation of those rules. I’m not just talking about osu sites. ALL OF THEM. Think about that.
It doesn’t remotely resemble a violation of any kind. You’re bonkers if you truly think this. I choose not to believe someone is that out of it that they don’t recall this discussion.
This is why I choose to believe that it’s a “your shoe’s untied” type of troll. Just say something dumb then watch everyone get in a tizzy.
There are no restrictions on social media. He might be correct if emails were involved. But there are reasons they can’t restrict social media.
1. They have bigger issues to deal with. Some of them are real issues.
2. There is absolutely no way the NCAA can ban, police and/or even pretend to prosecute social media.
3. They don’t want to because it makes their life easier. Apparently everyone knows instantly when some real infractions occur because there are no such things as secrets when social media flows freely. Everybody sees everything.
4. They had this discussion long ago and gave the above justifications as reason enough to say how silly trying to police social media would be.
I’m surprised you missed it. It was kind of a really big deal in college sports. Perhaps you don’t follow college sports well enough to know all this?
or he’s just a ruhtard?
Angry going before the almighty NCAA infractions committee.
I’d take a giant dump on their table and mail it to DamBeaver.
for the whiny bitch baby dambeaver. Go ahead and report this site. Let us know how it doesn’t work out for you and you get laughed at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I
Really?……Why?
Not surprised with her lack of response.
TBT, right Jack?!
It’s Wednesday.
The bottom line is this:
Gary Andersen needs to get his act together. Year 1 this kind of stuff is excusable. Year 2, it isn’t. He can’t get out of his own way.
The timing is odd. We’re still in year one. Give it a month and a half. Then evaluate the first year and point out what mistakes were made… or what actions have been communicated poorly. Then we can put two and two together regarding all actions and how they relate to recruiting.
Sounds like you have been personally slighted in your posts. I’ve never seen you like this before.
You must have not been around here long!
Respect the Process.
Fuck the process, get the “process” over and win some games! I hate slogans and cliches.
“I hate slogans and cliches.”
You should put that on a bumper sticker.
Also, co-offensive coordinators? Bizarre again.
Hard to decide what is more bizarre, two OC’s or an assistant for “inside receivers” (who doesn’t have the TE’s or, apparently, a pay cut).
rare, yes, but not unheard of. Wasn’t that Whittingham’s arrangement with Erickson at one point?
Yes and you are correct it is not that odd. One will be passing and the other running coordinator.
The co-coordinator thing is actually quite common. It typically applies to game planning with one guy being the play caller. Urban Meyer does it.
I’m hoping this is only until the spring game, that the game is used to figure out who is better at calling plays, and that we only have 1 by the start of the season.
Wasn’t it already established that McG would be the play caller? I thought that was one of the few definitive statements in this whole shakeup.
I normally read and don’t comment but… Do you believe that Men In Black was a documentary?
1. I have no clue what the initial reasoning was for bring in Seth Collins. Next year Darell Garretson WILL be the starting QB. Seth with be the Beaver version of the slash (he will play WR/RB/QB.)
2. Can you say to yourself at the time of the KS hire that you knew his dream head coaching job would be vacant at the end of the season? Anderson knew and said from the begin that KS was going to be a head coach some where at some point in time. Do you think that Wisconsin saw Anderson leaving. No but Anderson had three schools on his dream job list. And yes one of them was in Corvallis. His agent made the phone call the day after Riley left.
3. Seth will be playing three positions next year. That would mean he would have three different coaches. Each position coach would have to spend some extra time with him to keep him caught up. Why not have one coach focused on him alone. Yes I have heard A rumor that Baldwin will be Seth’s personal coach. I have not been able to confirm that.
I have heard A rumor that Baldwin will be Seth’s personal coach.
Was it really a rumor? All I remember was a somewhat facetious remark when Baldwin was demoted.
If it’s true, it is an interesting concept, but what a BIG gamble. Seth in his new role has huge upside for the team, but, what happens if he goes down? Is there a backup who Baldwin will also be preparing?
Purely speculation would be Paul Lucas from the RB/WR aspect.
I’m thinking both. I know it’s a demotion. But that position could be a game-changer. And it likely requires full focus to develop it and integrate it into a system. If SC, Lucas or whoever comes to play in the next few years and becomes a superstar because this is what Baldwin did to create a new wrinkle, wouldn’t that be worth a demotion in perspective?
edit: The flip side is that everything brilliant we saw during the season was a McGiven or Woods (or both) wrinkle sprinkled here and there then played solidly for the last half of the season. And that’s what GA wants his offense to look like. That would be the simplest answer.
Of course, and GA may just be that much of a riverboat gambler. And, Baldwin may just be that much of an “out of the box” thinker.
“Inside receivers coach” is an interesting title considering:
1: Baldwin’s historic love affair with the screen game.
2: Last year’s inability to run a successful screen play.
Have to wonder if that was one of Baldwin’s complaints after the season so GA put him in charge of it.
I guess I’m out of touch, but I don’t mind seeing Baldwin demoted, the offense was beyond bad and I’m not sure it had to be that way if some better decisions had been made along the way. I’m not sure who was accountable for all of the weird shit, but someone had to take the fall. Didn’t the offense have 8 returning starters? They couldn’t even score on the shitty defenses until the last game of the season. There is always the risk of a recruiting hit, but it’s a chance you have to take sometimes. Baldwin out, done……move upward.
Speaking of speculation, here are some dots which may connect:
-GA has repeatedly said he isn’t an offensive guy
-GA says he is short on patience
-No one understood the handling of Nall, especially being held out of the Utah game cause they had such a great interior D-line.
-GA says he wants scheme to be secondary to players skills
-GA specifically mentions McG’s history of adapting to the skills of his players (over following a scheme).
Maybe Baldwin did ask for a demotion, especially with no drop in pay. But, the above indicates that may not be the story.
I am right with you. I was so happy to see the change. Baldin seems like an awesome dude in interviews but his play calling was suspect. He ran a Nall lead with woods twice 40 yards each time never again. The no Nall against Utah. How about pulling the plug on MM so fast. I was also happy to see a passing game coordinator and a run game coordinator. I know the ducks, clemson(has co on both sides) and Ohio state(both sides) have both. But they are bizarre I guess lol. I got sick of looking. I am blown away on this whole write up. Welcome to the new world
????
That was supposed to be a thumbs up icon. Not four question marks.
I think it boils down to this:
If it wasn’t for GA’s earlier coaching accomplishments, and instead we saw coach Joe Schmo in the same position Andersen is now, we’d all be wondering WTF was going on.
Luckily there is a track record, so I am inclined to believe in him.
That’s a good perspective. But I think what angry is trying to say is that it’s unlike any rebuild he’s experienced. And he isn’t getting any concrete answers to these questions voluntarily.
I tend to think the pendulum has just swung this far this quickly. It’s probably why some guys just couldn’t buy in. We were just stuck in a doldrum for so long that we’re in shock at the decisiveness that GA exhibits.
I happen to like it and take the lack of info as a sign that not everything has to be shared with other teams as well as all of us. Like it or not, being a P5 head coach is a political position. I would rather he act now and make us wonder than wait and make us whine.
a propos decisiveness, Montgomery said “Indecision and hesitation are fatal in any officer; in a commander-in-chief they are criminal.” Football isn’t warfare but the metaphor seems apt.
No one in the media is asking the questions brought up here. That’s the problem, Andersen I think would answer if asked and nobody’s asking. Of course they are on break so we aren’t going to find out until later.
Gina is the closest to it. I keep encouraging her.
Gina, responded to me one time and said some of the scenarios that were being played out didn’t make sense. She asked some of the questions, but I’m not sure how you follow up on the bizarre. Do you say, “hey, GA that answer doesn’t make a bit of fucking sense, Nall should have had 10 carries minimum against Utah…..you preach toughness everyday”
The media didn’t really pursue any of the goofy shit that happened with any vigor (like the Nall/Utah situation). I think they are a little intimidated by GA and don’t want to f-up their access to him.
If you really think about it, there has been a huge change in the MBB team. Tinkle knew that last year he had to work up defense and holding the ball. I believe that Andersen was under the same assumption in football, but Baldwin had just been in charge of one of the best offenses in the country. Andersen said that he didn’t have anything to do with the offense (showing Baldwin would make it work). It didn’t happen, Andersen moved on to some young innovative thinkers.
If Baldwin didn’t want to be in the situation he is in he would be in the conversation for other coaching positions. I think that he understands that he can’t make in game adjustments, which was the absolute number one thing that we all complained about Riley/Langsdorf.
I think that Baldwin is in the best position to exceed now in his new role. He will work strictly with Collins and let the new coordinators know what he can and can’t do. Similar to the first drive scenario that I spoke of earlier. Let him draw up 10 plats a game specifically for Collins and I believe they will work to perfection. Leave the rest of the game to the coordinators.
Succeed not exceed. And Andersen putting him in the best position to succeed is a quality of a great manager, which is what a good college head coach is.
This is incorrect.
You’re misunderstanding the Baldwin situation. He isn’t doing this happily or voluntarily. He’s not Collin’s personal coach unless he’s forced to do that (i.e. can’t find another job). That’s not the reality, but it sure sounds nice. We need to keep an eye on S. Thompson. The odds of losing him have shot up due to the Baldwin situation.
Then why is Andersen keeping him? What other business demoted a person and let’s them keep their salary? Isn’t it easier to just fire him? So Thompson might not come, which is a bigger negative the lose of a 4* recruit because an inept coordinator can’t cut it? Or a 4* defensive player and an offense that has 2 good series a game on average?
It’s not just Thompson. It’s all the 2017 Bay Area recruits.
Maybe it settles down, but that’s the initial fall out and reaction. Could change as emotions settle down.
No clue why Andersen is keeping him. My guess would be he asked Baldwin if he would accept a demotion, Baldwin said yes b/c he had nothing lined up and was caught off guard, and now he’ll be hoping something better comes up. The media should be asking about all this. It’s a bigger deal than Sitake. Keep an eye on Brennan, too. Not sure he’s stable.
I think we were so used to status quo and no specific accountability for poor results, that it’s a little shocking to see a HC willing to make quick changes. You can’t do it all the time, but when it makes some sense pull the trigger. Could their offense get any worse, less than 20 pts a game at the D-1 leve, truly pathetic.
That was the QBs, though.
I’d like to see one year of Baldwin with Garretson. If he was bad after that, then this might make sense.
They fucked up the Nall situation. Storms Woods was weird shit all year long. In addition to not seeming to notice that Mitchell couldn’t throw the ball at the D-1 level and McMaryion could.
I’d like to know who made all those decisions and the overall chain of command. I thought it was McGiven deciding on which QB played.
No clue who botched Nall, but GA should be able to override whoever made that decision.
GA’s moves would make me think it was Baldwin or he at least was ultimately accountable, but in the Nall case it makes me wonder about communication or is GA that removed from the offense? It’s hard to imagine Baldwin saying to GA, hey we aren’t giving Nall any carries tonight, Utah is just too tough up front, ok?
I like all of these “micro” coaching positions. I would like to be the coordinator of the “night game water boy”.
Not, “water boy”, “Water despensing technician”.
You can be the Reverse Psychology Dutch Basketball Student Athlete Performance Encourager
Ha, nice.
I’d be willing to give the pom-pom girls a cold nose er, I meant a hand.
Don’t want Clune so hope GA isn’t moving him higher up his list over the likes of Orlando. I would be pretty shocked if Orlando wouldn’t accept a suitable offer to move on up into life in the Pac-12 and power conference football. Clune is the easy don’t have to try hard option and just don’t have faith that Hawaii is great prep for this level. Atleast Orlando has had multiple proven solid years as a DC.
I am happy about the McGiven situation. I wanted him as OC last year and would have been fine passing on an aging and somewhat gimmicky Baldwin whose offense I was not expecting great success with in the Pac-12 vs MWC. My biggest issue is he was compensated almost as well as Sitake and now appears to have a niche role undeserving of the pay. I think it is best if he maybe does leave and those funds go to a raise for McGiven and Woods and to a new DC like Orlando if we can’t snag Aranda.
how about we give up on the pipe dreams here? Aranda isn’t coming nor is Orlando.
I think it’s more likely than you think. If they say no, fine, but it’s good to at least try.
I’m not against trying. Worst thing he can say is no, right?
If we keep writing it, it MAY come true. And I know, wish in one hand, and shit in the other, something, something, something.
Or we could concentrate our efforts on something that might actually work. I would live an Aranda or Orlando if they wanted to be here long term, but that’s not realistic
Houston has deep deep pockets and will likely be a P5 team soon. There’s no way Oregon State is going to poach Orlando from Houston. Would love to be proven wrong, but I just dont see any scenario where that would play out
Exactly^^^^^
what? if OSU wanted to outbid Houston for a coach it could do so. OSU>Houston.
Not saying we’ll try or that he would leave, but financially speaking we could make it happen.
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OK Angry, I’m gonna throw out a theory here.
What was the reason GA left Wisconsin? Allegedly due to the strict admissions standards and Alvarez being a “micro manager” of his baby. I can’t see GA being a micro manager of his football program. I think he trusts his assistants to do what is asked or expected. Could these staff changes be the result of what GA saw wasn’t getting done by his assistants? Lack of improvement as the season progressed? AND if the rumor of McGiven and Chad K calling the plays in the civil war was/is true, wouldn’t that give GA a reason to do what he did with staff reassignments?
Or I’m thinking too much. Again, the ramblings of a man who’s lost way too many brain cells to napkins. Feel free to add to the discussion or flame away. Just don’t report me to the NCAA infractions committee. I don’t wanna lose my contact with the gay sheep research committee
How much control did Baldwin have over the offense at CSU? Jim McElwain was the head coach and has his roots on the offensive side of the ball (OC/QB coach at Alabama and Fresno State, QB coach for the Oakland Raiders).
Obviously they were running a spread, but did McElwain really just hand over complete control to Baldwin..? Seems unlikely that a coach hired for his success as an offensive coordinator just uninvolved himself completely from the offense in his first HC gig.
Also seems pretty telling that McElwain didn’t ask Baldwin to follow him to the SEC…
Maybe McElwain should have asked. Florida’s offense was absolute crap this year given the talent down there.
speaking of Florida, and adding fuel to the fire that has burst out on the site today, looks like Del Rio will be the starter next year, according to some reports.
I read something about that a couple of days ago. It would be pretty funny.
Only if he wins.
In reading an article about Richard Mullaney it seems he decided to leave OSU and go to Alabama because he saw how lacking the Beavs were at the QB position.
If he could see it why couldn’t Baldwin? Also, if it was that obvious why wasn’t one of the QBs who were driven off kept and used them with an offensive scheme that would work with their skills?
Imo Baldwin was bull headed and decided to force upon the team an offense that they weren’t capable of executing.
Probably due to too much diet coke.
Richard Mullaney could see what was coming, why couldn’t DB and for that matter ~$191K per month GA?
Because GA and Baldwin had to plan for the future and can’t just bolt to Alabama…?
But, but……scotty, GA says he favors playing to the abilities of his team and isn’t wedded to a particular scheme.
Either he has just recently come to that position, or he really doesn’t concern himself with the offensive side. As illustrated by Boba at 5:49 above.
Possibility 1: That’s BS all coaches at a new job say. It’s the football coach equivalent of a campaign promise. (See Mike Riley at Nebraska)
Possibility 2: GA favors it, but Baldwin doesn’t, and Baldwin was in charge of the O.
Possibility 3: ALIENS
It’s always aliens……always.
They had suckers on their hands!
You need to source that. I’m not saying he didn’t say it. But I don’t recall it in the context (open-ended as it is) you provide.
“We want an offense driven by players, not by scheme.” per GA as quoted by Eggers.
http://www.pamplinmedia.com/pt/256-sports/kerry-eggers/285787-157429-beavers-seth-collins-here-there-and-everywhere
Then there is this which appears pretty open ended: ““Kevin is an excellent play-caller who, throughout his career, has done a nice job taking advantage of his players’ strengths rather than just sticking with scheme,” Andersen says. “That’s vitally important for our program moving forward.” , again, Eggers quoting GA
http://www.pamplinmedia.com/pt/256-sports/kerry-eggers/285790-162611-andersen-changes-look-of-beavers-offensive-staff
Speaking of sourcing, I’ve not yet seen verification that Baldwin’s pay will be unchanged.
I sent a question to Gary Horiwitz about the pay thing and he said there was no change in pay. Dont think it’s been put in print anywhere though
Got it.
I don’t think it’s the same thing. There has to be some basic system installed first. Then you take the pieces you have and ask them to exceed those basics. When one does, you start creating plays to get him the ball.
I think that’s the proper context. There was no way GA was going to come in with those coaches on the O side and run a pro set. We were well beyond that by the time these quotes appeared. And similar statements when change was being implemented were within this context as well.
Attrition occurred because the players were told as much.
It is interesting that these quotes are in the context of McGiven and SC… and SC being able to transform himself from being a sketchy QB1 into Slash? It’s almost as if the two were in kahoots, and Baldwin and SC’s father were steamed about promises made.
Sorry, but SC was never going to be made into an NFL caliber QB. And it would take him years to be a good college QB. He is ready made for Slash, though. And he doesn’t have to take a beating while still being the star of the show. Put some meat on him, and he can do it at the next level too.
They essentially changed the scheme to make SC the man, because it wasn’t going to work the other way. I think that’s what he meant about an offense driven by players, not scheme. Like everyone else, SC doesn’t get to play unless he buys in. I would say the CW was him buying in big time, and it was fun to watch.
Thanks, Jack. You’ve made my point more clearly than I was able; certainly there has to be a basic system and it’s not pro set.
I was responding to Mud’s thoughts above on the Mullaney article, especially If he (Mullaney) could see it why couldn’t Baldwin? and: Baldwin was bull headed and decided to force upon the team an offense that they weren’t capable of executing.
The thought being that Baldwin’s demotion was largely due to failure to recognize that Seth was/is an important weapon….but not as a system QB. Not using Nall (and others?) properly also speaks to a failure of Baldwin to play to his players strengths.
As Andersen says it is “vitally important” that players strengths not be wasted in homage to a given scheme.
As much as I’d like to believe it, I’ll be very surprised if it turns out to have all been Baldwin’s idea to become focused on only Seth (plus maybe Lucas) in an effort to put his (Baldwin’s) stamp on a new trend. Heck of a gamble, but I’d still like to see it.
If anyone needs a good laugh to get a break from the friendly fire:
http://www.theticketfm.com/open-mike-huskers-postgame-show/open-mike-postgame-show-purdue-1/
Cracks me up so bad every time :)
What seems strange is the whole timing of everything. Coach A has his JC signing day press conference. Mentions that there might be some staff changes. An hour after the presser he releases a statement with all the offensive changes. Demotions to Baldwin, and Brennan; promotions to McGivens and Woods. No changes to the Defense with the speculation that SItake will have to take the BYU job because nobody else is eligible for the position. Now we lose Tuiaki and SItake with no Defensive changes all during the upcoming “Dead Weeks” for recruiting.
I would think it be wise for Coach A to have waited until Spring and after the class had been completed, before announcing changes to the staff. Like one poster mentioned aboved.
Why did the offense struggle for much of the season? Was it QB play, play calling, or talent level of the players? Talent upgrade has been mentioned by Coach A himself. But he brings in Crowton to help with the offense. Collins injury puts him on the shelf, out for the season and apparently in discontent. Then he comes back in the “slash” role for the finally game of the season, with the play calling duties changed hands.
I am not sure what to think of everything, but it seems very bizarre. Is GA just impatient? Or, does he realize things need to drastically change course to get things turned around?
Baldwin maybe a good recruiter that Coach A desperately needs, for the talent upgrade. However, if the offensive scheme doesn’t work with the personnel then that will need to be adapted to the that scheme or change the scheme. I speculate that Coach A approached Baldwin about changing to a more friendly Crowton/McGiven scheme and he may have been reluctant willing to bet that the talent upgrade will provide enough success that his track record has shown.
Now some recruits may not like the change because of what Baldwin was selling them. Now you have a disgruntled coach who is responsible for bringing that much needed talent. Not the best working scenario. Probably not going to be around long enough to know.
Better hope Coach A and McGiven have a good working relationship, a good vision for the offense, and an excellent plan on how to get there.
While we’re at it… what happens if Richt decides Lockette would be a great fit at Miami?
The sky is falling! *panic panic*
OMG noooooooooez
I was was going to say the same thing chicken little. Calm down. Everyone talks about knee jerk reactions by Andersen but Everyone does the same thing when he makes an authoritative head coaching decision. Do we trust him or not? Lets wait til after next season and then we can see wherethings are. I uunderstand the questions and confusion but maybe that’s why he’s do good at rebuilding cuz he doesn’t fuck around. No nonsense
Richt is taking his RB coach from UGA, but it sounds like he might be the OC. Miamis current RB coach is rumored to be one of the hold overs possibly. At least that is what some of their media is thinking will happen.
It’s plenty fair to be asking questions at this point. We learned from the get-go that GA was reticent, even ornery, about discussing injuries and the practices were mostly closed. Fair enough, secrecy can be an advantage against the competition. But it leads to speculation. I agree with others suggesting the offensive coaching change was a defense against Sitake poaching them. It made me a bit weary when GA first started hiring his staff and virtually everyone was someone he had worked with in the past. Too hard to post a job description and get a few candidates? Hey, maybe a better one turns up?
1 Seth is a great athlete. Took the best qb recruit they could. Gave him the sink or swim treatment and his quarterbacking hasn’t panned out but he is apparently being successfully converted to a key contributor. If we didn’t offer QB to him he wouldn’t be here. I’d say generally positive results long-term, as long as he isn’t disruptive to the team. McMaryion was reported to have mechanics problem preseason…anyone witness that? Mitchell had a mechanics/timing problem. Del Rio wasn’t mobile(?) and (some say) liked to throw to the other team. Vanderveen reportedly couldn’t throw a spiral, but he certainly looks dual-threat in his HS highlights.
2 Sitake: Shit happens. I think he was hired for recruiting as much as anything, so I’ll be expecting a coach with similar strengths, or at the very least, different recruiting strengths but equal recruiting power…It would really suck to take a dump there.
3 How many Bay Area recruits we talking?
The outside consultant (Crowton) thing isn’t all that surprising in organizations, except that he wasn’t really outside; if anything gives the impression of becoming an even more insular coaching staff. It’d be nice if we could get a DC from somewhere beyond Utah, you know, if there is a better one outside that state.
Well… since Tuiaki is going to be the BYU DC… and Crowton left SU… how about Ed Lamb?
Up and comer from FCS… Brad Sherrod.
Old fogey who needs a place to retire and have some fun just coaching college kids… Dave Wannstedt.
Oh… only one person has mentioned… Orgeron.
I’ll be the first to mention Matt Wells.
Where’s Turner Gill right now? Never mind. He coaches at a fake university.
Just like Bud Foster not getting the head job, will Mel Tucker get the DC job?
Pendergast would be fine… hell… Pendergrass would be cool too… except for the dead part.
Hey! Does anyone know if Dennis knows D?
Matt Wells isn’t going to go from Utah State HC to OSU DC
Wannstedt did hold our Sun Bowl team to 3 points ;)
RE: Andersen having Crowton conduct a “peer review” of the offense, which he claims is a regular practice of his and has been. I think its fine if 1) his staff knew an outside reviewer would be brought in at some point in the season as part of the process; 2) it resulted in change, including offensive approach, roles, and play calling, most notably in the CW; and 3) it was done for football not personal relationship reasons. Perhaps it was done later in the season to have a body of work to evaluate, or because he wasn’t happy with the results at that point. If these things are generally true, then the changes we are seeing may not be so haphazard or reactionary.
I would be curious why a “peer review” of the defense or special teams did not occur, as those units were not impressive either. Was it because Andersen’s experience and emphasis is defense, and he just wanted outside input on the offense? Or will we see outside consultants brought in to review those units next season? The offseason?
The process is good in concept, if it is understood, transparent (to the staff), and predictable. I would also hope that Andersen visits other programs and reviews what they do, so that he can get ideas and improve his own approach to program building and maintenance.
Yes.
Go visit Joe Moglia. He’ll set everything straight for anyone.
The Pirate looked cray when he cut loose assistants with what seemed like very little room for error a couple years back. Now he’s coach of the year.
Who knows. I know we had a Qb issue and a supposed major talent issue, but I really disliked Baldwins play calling the whole year. Like I actually found myself missing langsdork at times. That’s bad. I mean, I was relatively disconnected by my standards (didn’t watch 2 games) cause of personal shit, and I could still call most plays pre snap. Understandable when it was coach pass every down, but someone I’ve never seen coach? He rarely ever called plays to the strength of our team, botched personnel, and overall was underwhelming. That and the defeated/looks like I’m going to cry look after the games. Demotion (if that’s what it is and not some funky plan) isn’t breaking my heart.
Still dig Coach A though.
Building a staff: 20 potential assistant coaches for BYU coach Kalani Sitake’s staff
http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/college/byu/football/building-a-staff-potential-assistant-coaches-for-byu-coach-kalani/collection_b67fbb44-7fa1-5845-bee0-b731a0aa2c8f.html
McGiven is the only OSU coach listed as a possible but there’s no mention of Tuiaki so this list might not be worth much. Never the less I’m glad there aren’t more OSU coaches listed.
Norm Chow is also listed as a possible OC, I’d forgotten that he spent 27 years coaching at BYU. He’ll be 70 next year so he must be close to retiring from football.
Speaking of Tuiaki he’s no longer listed as a coach on the OSU football website.
I don’t recall seeing this story about Tuiaki changing his twitter avatar to the BYU logo. I’m sure this is old news to some of you.
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/12/ilaisa_tuiaki_oregon_state_lin.html
I like Jack’s last question: Dennis Erickson would love to have a chance to be back in Corvallis. He’d be a wonderful recruiting asset. Does he know D? Very intriguing.
Also, to twist the subject a little here, I’ve really wondered through the season how The Drive affected our coaches’ decisions. I was with Angry on the McMariyon deal–and in the end MM proved to be the best option, so why not much earlier? But the coaches went with flash instead, and stuck with that much longer than they should have. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was basically mugging for the cameras, trying to get attention for the program.
You guys might be able to think of a few other questionable coaching decisions that might have had a camera behind them. The Drive was a distraction for our coaches, and they let it be one.
“Bob, not sure what Erickson was thinking on that defensive alignment. He had a 4 WR set and a single RB, and that just left the middle of the field vulnerable.”
Haha. The whiskey salesmen for the Willamette Valley would love that hire.
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You seriously believe coaches played someone for “flash” at the sake of winning? Seth’s speed and hurdles don’t recruit like winning does.
Yes, I do believe the coaches were blinded by the flash, especially knowing cameras were rolling. Doing that while sacrificing wins?…Well, the proof’s in the pudding–that was a great Civil War game. I bet we’d be a four-win team with McMariyon as starter earlier in the season. Seth’s hurdles, meanwhile, ended with Pac12 play. I think the coaches went with flash because the cameras were right there and they considered that a good recruiting tool; in hindsight, of course, wins would have been better. As I say, it was a coaching mistake.
Does anyone know if Erickson has D capability? He’s sure a hell of a coach, and recruting-wise you wouldn’t find him saying Corvallis is a podunk town; very much the opposite.
Lolololol….. Okay okay…. You really believe the coaches were like… “Hey MM is the guy who can win the most games. But let’s go with Seth cuz he is fast and the Drive cameras are here. Yeah, yeah a fast QB will show recruits… Umm… A fast QB. Well MM is better, well Seth has earnings and hurdles…”
Okay BHB.
A new poster. Black Hills as in SD?
Sorry BHB I finally stopped laughing and realized the thing you said that’s the funniest… Which games “earlier in the year”, as you said, would MM have won?
Meh.
The cameras having access do cause a major distraction. There is no denying that. I’m glad we got it out of the way during a season like this rather than try and fail like Utah did. They clearly lost their way, and every distraction counts.
But to say that MM was ready earlier isn’t a good argument. To say SC was ready isn’t either, but he did provide some impact plays. In the end, they discovered roles for both which, in hindsight, were better designed. But to say the whole of the season didn’t contribute to that discovery would be disingenuous.
And if the Baldwin thing was also discovered this way, so be it. SC is good enough to be on the field for impact plays at many positions. He’s a one man threat, and you need to figure out where he is every time you line up against him. And then you as a D have to hesitate and think once he gets the ball. That’s an incredible task for any D. If anyone relaxes or slips, it could end in giving up large chunks of yards or a score on any given play.
MM still didn’t really hit many impact plays. But that wasn’t necessary when SC could do it. So all he had to do was manage the game and make no mistakes. He did decently. I expect new arms to be better and be given more responsibility.
If I have to derive my own answers to the O realignment given the info at hand, I would guess the simplest answers–that Baldwin saw something new and important and wanted to leave a stamp on the game itself, not just the team, and/or that the people in their positions as they are now are deserving of their positions given results. And if Baldwin isn’t on board with the former, the latter can still be true.
If that makes some recruits panic, I guess that’s life. The decisions being made are in their best interests in the end. The vision of the program and their parts in it ,as explained to them, don’t change. And winning wasn’t going to be a selling point this year unless we lucked into it. I’m almost glad we didn’t, because being lucky would have been a poor measure for success.
With Tinkle and Andersen aboard, I don’t think anyone on staff now is saying, “Corvallis is a podunk town”. That’s been so refreshing over the last couple years, OREGON STATE?…DAMN STRAIGHT!
Now, if Schnell could find a gig elsewhere….
Hey Angry, on one hand, you say that nothing scares off recruits like changing up the coaching staff…. Then you say that GA can become more hands on with the D this year, and then play the D Coordinator market next year… It sounds like you just go with whatever supports your, as my favorite troll would say, “fallacy” if the day.
Please enlighten us.
Where is the fallacy you see.
I’ll wait.
Most come straight from your keyboard.
You’re thinking of a phallusy
Nice
Thank you.
But since you’re being such a polite Troll and waiting I’ll give you one. Angry says GA can wait and see which D-Coordinator is on the market next year. That’s a mistaken belief, or as you say, a “fallacy”. TBT baby!
It’s a scenario. It’s very unlikely. But that doesn’t make it a fallacy unless GA was the one who instituted change at the position in the first place. If he had, as he did on the O side, then you would be correct.
But you’re not.
I’m not? If you say so. You are the people’s Chump. TBT!!!
It’s Wednesday.
I’ll even elaborate (see what I did there? Use big words like “200 level” words) since you’re being so polite and waiting, Angry says it’s time to question GA over staff shake up, says it’s horrible for recruiting, then suggests later that we can just wait and see who to hire next year. In other words, continued staff shake up.
No… just stagnance.
And again, GA did not institute any shake-up on the D side. You could say that keeping it stagnant and completing the process at a later date would be a change at a later date instituted by GA now. But that would be tenuous at best. Change is happening regardless of what GA wants. And waiting for his dream DC to become available is just another scenario.
Now, what about this hypothetical:
GA hires a good DC, and everything looks steady going forward. Then his dream DC becomes available next year. Let’s say it’s Whittingham in this fantasy. Whitt says he doesn’t want to be a head man anymore and just wants to settle down for the long haul with his good friend GA.
What do we say if that kind of weirdness occurs? Would the unlikely scenario provided above have then been a wise one, as opposed to what we all assume is the wise one now?
I imagine the conversation will move on now (still wonder about the Erickson possibility, though; maybe Jack was joking), but to reply to a couple of you:
Yes, I’m in the Black Hills as in South Dakota. I lived in Corvallis for a few years a while back, and got bit by the beav, so I’m a fan. Found a site where I can watch all the games, so I’m good to go.
I’m no football expert, but I do believe MM had and has better basic fundamentals and, most importantly, had a better handle on a quarterback being the one who helps OTHERS on his team look better. Especially on that last point, Seth was a no-show. What we were able to see of MM early on was when the coaches unforgivably tossed him only into the most difficult situations. Colorado would be one game we would have won with him. And can you imagine what it would have been like if the Civil War wasn’t MM’s first college start?
Talk about a recruiting tool.
The coaching staff went the wrong direction, and they let the cameras tempt them there.
yes
@BHB. Just catching a flight to RC. My hometown.
Colorado?? Mitchell was the main QB in that game, not Seth. Seth was 4 of 7 for 77 yards.
Yeah, and MM is better than Mitchell, we all know by now.
It’s not an MM vs. Seth thing. What I’m saying is the coaches started taking the wrong path because of Seth’s flash and the cameras. And back then MM was the potential next man up. As a result, it took them much longer to come around–those early steps led to a path that was way too complex.
You’re specifically talking about Collins playing. Atleast that’s what you said. I too would rather see MM than Mitchell again. But you were talking about The coaches playing Collins and that costing us wins. I doubt his 77 yards on 7 attempts cost us that game.
Accurately speculating on motive is typically difficult. I doubt an experienced coaching staff would deliberately start a QB for “flash” and “cameras” over an alternative QB if the alternative QB was clearly better.
MM and Mitchell each had a full year of college football under them. Not starting, and not in the same offense or with the same coaching staff, but nonetheless being on campus, practicing. Working out. Working with their offensive teammates, including a veteran offensive line and WRs and TEs with Soph+ experience. They apparently still failed to distinguish himself by the second week of fall camp.
Was Baldwin predisposed to Seth Collins because Baldwin had (according to some reports) attempted to recruit him to CSU as a QB? Maybe. But its also possible the staff thought Collin’s athleticism offered the best option of a group of QBs lacking Pac playing time and complete skill sets. He took care of the ball reasonably well, offered a running threat (and ran too much and could have handed off more), and couldn’t throw accurately. None of the QBs threw well. But in Collin’s 4 game absence the team only scored something like 42 points. He may simply have been the best choice amongst poor choices.
He may simply have been the best choice amongst poor choices. Agree, I believe that was the thinking at the time by whoever had the final say.
We can differ on whether he was actually the best choice, but past discussions have sometimes gone astray by focusing on one or the other guy not being actual D1 caliber. Among the “poor choices”, it seems there was no true D1 QB, at least at their stage of development last Fall.
Did McGiven and Woods call plays in the 2nd half of the Civil War?
Maybe it was just me but I thought Baldwin was terrible this year.
Has Angie had an update on the defensive coordinator search? It’s been awfully quiet so far…only speculation and no real candidates
I can’t speak for whats behind the paywall, but they did have a free “Coaching Hot Board” page, dedicated to gathering names of potential candidates. Mostly names you’ve seen in other places or unavailable candidates at this point.
https://oregonstate.n.rivals.com/news/defensive-coordinator-hot-board
It would be cool if someone could do a twitter poll to see which candidate Beaver nation most favors!
…and maybe a second poll for who we are actually going to get
Could BeavRecruiting do that?
I did one last week but with candidates I probably wouldnt list if I were to do one today. It had Inoke, Chad, Aranda and “other”. Aranda was the clear favorite.
If you can give me 3 more candidates, I’d be cool with do another one today. Dont include those 3 however. If they like Aranda, they can call him “other” and put his name in the comments.
How about: Clune, Salave’a, Lamb and Other. Other will probably win, but at least gives some new names a shot at getting votes and people can write in other ideas. Problem with the twitter polls is they only allow 4 options.
Clune (for the obvious coaching tree connections),
Salave’a (for the recruiting connections- we would have a near monopoly on America Samoa with he and Chad both here)
Ed Lamb(Jack’s suggestion above. Proven at the Big Sky level, Utah connection, LDS connection, rumored to be a candidate for BYU’s DC job, so why not?)
Handsome says the time is here but he hasn’t said WHERE he’s going. Just a WAG – unless he knows something we don’t he’s making his decision BEFORE OSU announces the new DC.
Doesn’t look good.
My guess is BYU. He delayed because of the Sitake drama, which would indicate he wants to follow Sitake.
I thought their recruiting class was full?
Stop calling me handsome.
He’ll probably head to BYU, but holding off on announcing a commitment even after Sitake announced his intention to join BYU gives me some hope.
Was thinking that extra delay might have had to do with traveling home for winter break. He’s supposedly announcing from Hawaii, so maybe he wanted to wait till he was with family?
Would be a pleasant surprise if he decides to go with OSU.
What about Chris Kiffen @ ole Miss makes 250,000 as recruiting Cord / Def line Coach.
#1 recruiting class (Ole Miss) and played / coached on west coast…
I think the whole Baldwin thing has to do with diet coke. Anderson likes pepsi over coke and baldwin refused to switch from 500 cans of diet coke a day to diet pepsi.
If he does please let me know cuz I’ll be buying stock.
Pressure from the Mario Pastega family! We might have a new theory
Joe Beav on now. Parker “intrigued” by the suggestion of Inoke B. for DC, a thought that is new to him. Implies that Inoke has a similar personality to Sitake and views him positively as a recruiter.
Tumwater Dave takes a quick shot at Lindsay in complimenting Gina and goes on to lament the proliferation of Bowl games. Surprisingly, Parker offers not even a weak defense of Schnell.
Euhus up next.
Noticed on the twitter poll, Fred Mauigoa retweeted and fav’d it. Little doubt he voted for Salave’a.
Apparently, Salave’a has family is VP at Mauigoa’s highschool in Samoa. That’s why it will be a battle between WSU and OSU for him. If Salave’a by chance gets hired at OSU, Mauigoa is a slam dunk, but you don’t make your coaching hires over the prospect of landing a single recruit. (or do you?)
Are any of the names being used real candidiates for the DC job or just talk?
Every name you’ve heard up to this point from any source is all considered just talk. I haven’t seen any verified reports that GA has contacted anybody yet. Somebody correct me if that isn’t true.
I’m just spit-balling. After the Lockette hire, I’m pretty sure everyone else is doing the same.
This is the fun part–speculating on who gets to replace coaches who were promoted away.
Here’s one in the vein of “GA is the DC for a year then hires a DC next year.” Say he hires Salave’a and Inoke as DL and LB coaches (at a nice salary bump for both) and tells them, K and Odum that he will show them what he wants installed for D, and he will make play calls. Then he will evaluate all four and promote one (or co-) to DC at the end of 2016.
No stagnance. No coaching changes. Recruits should be satisfied (for years to come). Coaches remain for a pretty lengthy period as they are mentored, providing stability during a rebuild.
It’s just fun to think about possibilities.
I’ll play along. It’s a slow day at work.
So what happens to our current DL coach in that scenario?
I like the idea of bringing in a talented committee, but do you think we could provide a salary bump that wouldn’t be matched by their current teams? Seems like the only way to pry one of those 2 guys away from their current team would be a significant salary bump and/or non-lateral coaching position change.
I saw I forgot to add Coach K as soon as I posted. I will correct that.
But there are several position groups on D that can be run while the HC takes on the DC role for a year.
And, Special Teams.
I like it. Coach Chad could take over in a year when he’s ready. Or one of the others if they do better.
OT – just scanning through bowl picks at S-I….I didn’t realize 10(!) Pac teams were in a bowl game. Absurd.
All those Aranda fans can how Aranda does against USC in the Holiday Bowl…Lets us hope ASU represents the Pac well in the classic “Cactus Bowl.”
And please, PLEASE let UCLA represent the PAC well at the good ol’ “Foster Farms Bowl.” A Nebraska loss there would probably be another Riley first for Nebraska: First ‘Husker team to go to a bowl game with a losing record and, well, lose.
Tanielu chooses BYU
BYBoooooo
It’s gone from being handsome to ugly imo. :-)
Oh well.
Onward!!!
So glancing through the comments, looks like everyone thinks this is normal, and where you want to be, for year 1 of a rebuild. Can’t question Gary Andersen, huh?
He’s such made some knee-jerk/questionable decisions, but put the blinders on if it feels good. No skin off my back.
These upcoming hires will be huge, and he needs to start moving in the correct direction. He’s moving sideways at best, possibly backwards as of now. Recruiting class is the only progress, and that’s up in the air now with the non stop coaching changes.
Running off Del Rio was a mistake; the RB situation was weird all year; McMaryon needed to start the UW game if not earlier, and the Sitake deal was a major contingency that Andersen didn’t expect to be dealing with this soon.
Maybe it is just me but I don’t care to expend the energy to question him. GA isn’t going to get fired for at least 2 more years so I just plan on observing mostly.
You seem far more annoyed that we’re questioning your take on this than anything we’ve said about Andersen. The offensive coordinator shuffle-up is weird, but without you and NiceBeaver providing concrete evidence (like email screenshots or quotes from your sources) about how badly this is impacting recruiting, we really can’t do anything but file this under “maybe this is a sign of trouble, but because it’s all basically hearsay and rumors at this point, it’s not worth getting upset about”.
I agree that the upcoming hires will be huge. I’ll be much more inclined to agree with your view if next season shows no improvement/regression from this one, especially on the offensive end.
Not sure a nameless screenshot proves anything and isnt worth the effort. People will still be skeptical and it might turn off the people i’ve messaged with.
If there’s no improvement next season the above won’t be my view, so it would be odd if you agreed with it at that point.
I’m not bearish on GA. He just can’t get out of his own way. Based on the rivals database, we’ve had a decommit now with Michael Johnson. I expect more…as I said, bad planning and just mayhem overall. The only reason I care is recruiting. A top 35 class could fall apart and set the program back a year or more. It’s on GA.
I don’t care if you agree with me nor am I annoyed about it or whatever else you’re claiming. It’s just facts as of today. Maybe he redeems himself, but as of right now it’s mayhem on the recruiting front. If they somehow come out better for the mayhem then I’ll write about that, and I’ll be amazed.
Good points, Ran.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say normal. That is, if by normal we mean the expected behavior to within some specified deviation. I’d say it was all odd and unexpected. The problem is that I don’t have any insight into what was going on and that I can construct somewhat plausible situations that would make this either a disaster or expert damage control. I really have no idea.
Is GA over his skis? That’s a possibility but I don’t think it likely.
Is GA in a different situation than he perceived to be when he took the job (e.g. after seeing the players he says to himself: “Crap, these kids are weak and this is going to be harder than I thought.”)? I think that’s a definite possibility.
Was he displeased with the performance of the offense and had to do something within some constraints of which I am not privy to? You tell me.
In the end there are just too many possibilities that I am not capable of evaluating. But given that this is just one year, I can hope. After all, “Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.”
These touchy-feely jock types need to get over their extreme sensitivity and nut up. This is normal for the real world. Get used to it.
The cream always rises to the surface.
It is not enough that we do our best; sometimes we must do what is required.
The best work that anybody ever writes is the work that is on the verge of embarrassing him, always.
This topic was boring long ago.
It isn’t normal for a 2-10 team to have coordinators hired off as head coaches. How can you blame GA for that? He brought in Collins, yeah and he threw for 275 against Stanford, not too bad. And in the future could be potential game changer. Blame GA? For what? And you really think class of ’17 recruits are looking elsewhere due to staff shakeup? Class of ’16 hasn’t even signed yet. Quit being angry
Appears this crowd is continuing to justify traveling the road of insignificance and mediocrity?
What would you even care, Del Trollz
That would be me. That’s what happens when you have to exist in Eugene. The constant onslaught of suckitude in this town is impossible to keep out for even a day, let alone always. But I’ve learned many in this town think you can buy your way out of suckitude. They have yet to prove it. But they think it.
Sorry.
All I want for Christmas is a new DC
A new DC, just a new DC
Gee, if I could only have a new DC
Then I could wish you Merry Christmas!
Oh, and some money, health, peace, and all that junk
Sung to white christmas. And I’m not a song writer, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night. And I may or may not be drunk….ish
I’m dreaming of Dave Aranda,
or that dude from W. S. U.
Were the defense is sizzilin’,
and blitzes are killing.
The Qb’s are are running for their lives.
I’m dreaming of Dave Aranda,
but beavergopher is sayin’ no
In wincy he has a good deal
But I say go for the steal
What does that “doctor” now anyhow
I’m dreaming of Dave Arandas defense
Just like the ones I use to know
With linebackers hittin’
And safeties pickin’
And players swarming to the ball
You are now whiskey soaked bandits
Alton browns aged eggnog is whipping my ass. It’s soooo good. It’s everything wrapped up in one package, liver disease, alcohol poisoning, high blood pressure and diabetes.
you don’t need a liver. Worthless organ
Anyone know why rivals isn’t listing Michael Johnson as a commit anymore?
https://rivals.yahoo.com/oregonstate/football/recruiting/player-Michael-Johnson-183384
“Recruited by Kalani Sitake”
There was talk of he and the staff parting ways a while back. Not necessarily due to Sitake leaving because i think it was before that. Maybe grades?
This time of year, if a Juco isn’t poached by someone and doesn’t sign, it’s usually because nobody who wants to sign him can sign him.
Read a report that Dave Aranda had agreed in principle to a 3 year deal to become the new DC at Oregon State, but reneged on that agreement at the last moment after reading a post from a drunken fan on angrybeavs tonight. Will try to find the link later
Luck ‘o’ da bandits. My festivus miracle is ruined.
Best Riley take I’ve seen in a long time:
“Unfortunately, Riley doesn’t know how to win when it’s expected of him. He appears completely and totally incompetent when he’s been given the tools to go out and kick some ass. Conversely, the dude is a straight up Macgyver when you put him in a locked room with a toothbrush and a spool of string, but he can’t beat himself out of a wet paper bag with samurai sword.”
I needed a laugh :) #TPB
No matter what you think about Sitake leaving, the Beavs are likely in for another year of sadness in football. The good news is there appears to be a basketball player who can absolutely jump out of the gym and has apparently fallen right into the Beavs lap since he isn’t smart enough to get into Cal. Highlights below if you’d like to be excited about future beaver athletics:
http://youtu.be/Hx8QNE9TVeg
Oh I wish I were an Oscar
Reminds me of Dominique Wilkins….. he is all I want for xmas! Go Beavs baby!
Ok. According to rivals were not even listed as a school recruiting him? Cool highlight reel but you infer he’s coming here? Info?
He tweeted his top 4. OSU, grand canyon, nevada, st marys.
We should all follow him on twitter at @Oscar_Frayer
Also, encourage him to go to OSU!
Isn’t that a violation of NCAA Bylaws
Only if that encouragement turns into a quid pro quo.
I havent seen any actual reports linking him to OSU other than what he has self reported, but the pay sites are often way behind on basketball recruiting too. He’s teammates with Demari Milstead and friends with Ben Kone, so its not a stretch to think OSU has seen him, but I havent seen anything to indicate we have even offered him at this point.
As an FYI, WT doesn’t offer guys until they visit campus.
Yeah… I’m thinking Kone is vastly underrated. Mitty lost to Simeon last night. But Kone went 17 and 9 in the loss. That’s some work against a national power.
I’m going to start calling him Big Ben. You can set your watch to him.
Remember that Gottlieb had a big part in drawing kids to Cal. He sold that school well and has many contacts in the Bay Area. There’s no reason to diminish his relationship with those kids because he did his past job that well.
I think the blocks and the jumpshots are better than the dunks..love to see blocks like that change the flow of the game and hype up the team and crowd.
Would be something to see this kid in Gill for, a couple of years….can he qualify?
I think that’s the main issue. Gotta assume that Grand Canyon is in the mix simply because it may be all he can make the grades for
If some Poly kids want to go to BYU and muddle around for an INDEPENDENT team with little to no possibility of playing anywhere but the Las Vegas Bowl then more power to them (and also follow the honor code). I could give two shits, they weren’t meant for OSU. BYU has a crazy, tough schedule next year and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sitake has a losing season. Have fun with that.
It’s up to Andersen to find assistants who can sell his vision, I just can’t get too worked up about recruiting, we tend to go on and on about this 4 star guy or that one and he gets injured or he can’t handle the academics. Looks at the Ducks, high recruiting classes, shitty defense. It’s more about coaching, can GA and his staff get a reasonable class of athletes and can they coach them to win more games than they lose?
“Looks at the Ducks, high recruiting classes, It’s more about coaching,…”
And Sitake’s coaching seems overrated. People focus on the 55 sacks, they talk less about the high point totals and yards surrendered.
Sitake’s departure is I think over-hyped from a coaching and timing standpoint. He’s not proven to be a great coach, and this is typically the time of year coaches change teams, no real surprise. The minor point was that it took “too long,” because most hires are probably made in a 48 hour window anymore and many people live in the twittersphere.
I think the loss of his recruiting can eventually be overcome with a better coach, even if that coach is Andersen filling in for a year as D coordinator. While not familiar in great detail with Andersen’s resume as a D coordinator, I am under the impression it is better than Sitake’s. I also think that may be a better signal of stability to recruits at this point: “Whose your D coordinator going to be? Me, your head coach.” A head coach who has coached defense most of his career, who was D coordinator when Utah beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and had an undefeated season, etc. Andersen can honestly sell a good resume.
And besides that we didn’t want him anyway. Seems like I’ve heard that mantra more than once.
OLive and McGiven on Collin’s “multi-dimensional” role:
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/12/best_formula_for_seth_collins.html#incart_2box
Some people touted Collins as potential, future Heisman candidate as a QB. I’d suggest that in a multi-dimensional role his chances of such a candidacy might be improved.
That’s what most of us have been saying. SC was fun to watch in the CW. I’m going to watch again to see if he does it some more.
With commitment to Nall as a RB, and encouraging depth at RB, and a QB who can allegedly complete passes, SC is going to be very dangerous indeed.
I hope Isaac returns for another year to anchor the Oline. I think it would also likely improve his draft status. But I imagine it feels like he’s been at OSU a long time…
I imagine he’ll be back. Doesn’t seem like he would grade out as a very high draft pick. Was pretty good last year but not great.
Think Josh Mitchell will get drafted?
Think there’s any chance incoming JC WR/CB Hernandez gets to play a dual role while at OSU?
I recall he said it was “exhausting,” and it would be more challenging at this level. The OSU staff talks about him as a receiver.
But I think there’s value in recognizing what players are and letting them be themselves. For example, Collins as a “playmaker” is more valuable than Collins as a QB. Could Hernandez play the nickel on D?
If players make plays, and players win games, let play-makers make plays….if that meant fewer offensive snaps for Hernandez, but his overall contribution is greater, do it. The WR depth should be there, and the secondary will likely need some help.
I don’t think anyone has a problem with him in that role. Except maybe his dad.
And Baldwin?
I’m reporting this site a la DamBeaver to the authorities. Numerous HIPPA violations by disclosing confidential health records, specifically regarding vulva injuries
I misread that as HEPA and I immediately thought because everyone is blowing hot air :D