I’m going to be out most of the day so I’m putting up the game thread early.
I’m sticking with the Beavs based on prestige and reputation, but we legit might not be better than UNLV (does anyone know anything about UNLV? Even ChatGPT had no information).
Go Beavs?…(echoes into the void)…
This is a terrible match up for OSU. UNLV is looking to become bowl eligible against a PAC that has raided its MWC. OSU will need TOs and/or special teams big plays to make this competitive and have a chance to win. My guess is Heyward and his D will look lost and confused against Marion’s offense. If they can’t “get their eyes right and read their keys” so far this season, Marion will overwhelm them.
Hopefully the student section at least has fun.
did you just literally copy and paste the last paragraph of what you posted on the last thread? LOL. Didn’t even change a word lol.
Yes.
Who cares?
Yeah.
It’s too bad KHJ doesn’t know anyone who knows UNLV’s offense really well.
That would have helped with what is sure to be the utter destruction of our program tonight.
Woe is us.
Second!
Beavs don’t turn the ball over 5 times, grind out a back and forth win. 29-26
That was the only positive out of last game. Without all of the turnovers it was still a winnable game despite ZERO defense.
That and recovering an onside kick.
(Though we squandered the next possession)
Wow… folks here really don’t like me predicting a win!
For those who’ve been to Reser this year, is true new sound system nice?
It’s pretty good. I’ve been in a different side of the field this year; so it us not an apples to apples observation.
The backup PA Announcer is a little underwhelming.
59-20 Rebels
Well it is pretty obvious by now that ACc has all their chips in on getting Miami to go undefeated. Louisville is the latest to have a game changing review go in Miamis favor.
Sack fumble scoop and score was taken off the board with 4 minutes left that would have tied the game. Miami scored a TD a few plus later to go up 14… Too much to overcome for Louisville and they lose by 7.
Jerrod McCoy just got a nice int against Alabama. He is a starting corner for Tennessee now…thanks JS.
Martinez went full beast mode on his TD run. I see why he left.
For a better house and the FLA weather?
More money, better staff, accessibility to NFL HOF’s who went to Miami lmao
McCoy has been Tennessee’s best player on defense this year. What could have been…
It’s a great Saturday! A great day for any outdoor recreational activity! I might listen to the game until it’s out of reach.
I’ll make my summary of this game short and sweet: it’s a loss.
Tldr
Our offense matches up well in this game. I’m expecting one similar to Nevada.
Have there not been any injury updates? That seems like a negative to me.
Supposedly we should get a couple guys back, no names given, but our run defense was ass even before the injuries last week so I doubt that will make a difference.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1990/09/16/UNLV-45-Oregon-State-20/9554653457600/
I was at the old Parker stadium that day when some dude named Hunkie Cooper ran all over the Beavs.
I’m expecting a similar result today.
God I’m old AF
Hahaha!!!!
Alton Julian is suited up. Would be awesome for him to get on the field. Doubtful he can make an impact after not playing for so long, but just to have him persevere through all his inquiries and be able to grab a few snaps would be great.
McCoy has splint on his non-throwing pinky. That’s good news. Only resulted in a few bad snap and handoffs last week.
Out:
DB Jaden Robinson
DB Kobe Singleton
DB Amarion York
OLB Zakiah Saez
DL Tygee Hill
OLB DJ Wesolak
DL Thomas Collins
Ooooffff
That’s it? Lots of DL back, it seems.
Still think Noble Thomas is out too. I’m assuming this list isn’t including the long-term injuries. He wasn’t listed as playing.
Alton Julian is dressed, apparently
Freshman OL Dylan Sikorski has been moved to DL this week to help with depth. We’re cooked on defense this season gang
That was fun!
Not being able to get 4 yards sucks
What an awful red zone series. Shitty playcalling last week too in the red zone
Draining half the first quarter on one drive is nice
Enjoy this lead, it will probably be the last of the game.
Wrong, sir! Wrong!
Well there goes the shutout
Nice stop, though
Can’t be mad about being tied. Actually hopeful that the defense showed a lil bit of resistance.
We they scored, but more terrible play calling inside the 5.
Why do they continue to run up the middle?
Yes, not we.
Damn phone
Hubris.
Alright let’s see how the defense holds up.
How’s the crowd? Good attendance, participation?
Encouraging to see the D make some plays.
Holy shit, how could that be ruled a catch. Is Jay Strecker in the replay booth?
12 is scared to wrap up
Held them to a pair of FG’s.
Now use the rest of the clock, get a TD and take a 17-6 lead to halftime.
Not impressed with the unlv qb arm
Scored too quick?……ya won’t see BG do that.
I just thought the same thing. We haven’t had a qb who could do that since Alexander or Seth the Great!
Pleasantly surprising first half. Hopefully the second half isn’t a disastrous reversal.
This is so disappointing to the guys who predicted a UNLV blowout.
Umm, you do not say such things this early in a game.
I would love to be wrong and see OSU win.
BTW. Crowd is great.
12 is so bad
Ivy is out of position on every play. Bad angles. Shys away from contact.
A 6’3″ 205 lb senior shying away from contact?
Is Jaheim Patterson #6 playing? They were high on him, supposed to be physical.
Fuckin fumble in our own territory.
No way that punt should have been blocked; giving a clear shot to a guy who has already blocked 2 this season shows lack of scouting at the very least.
I wonder what Bray was complaining about after the blocked punt. Did he think UNLV was offside? CW did not show a good angle, maybe the player never actually touched the ball?
From what I gathered there was holding going on.
Did you hear Bray at the end of the half? Sounded pissed about the holding.
Parker called his remark “eloquent”…….I heard “f’n holding”
He was still upset about the uncalled holding by the UNLV dbs on the previous 2 plays. Pretty obvious…but our wrs are fairly slow and weak again so any decently quick db can hold without it really looking like he is making the effort to hold. Same old Beavs. I would like ot see an offense someday with slow wrs somehow running wide open all over the field like I’ve seen over the years watching WSU, EWU, BSU, Fresno St.
I suppose it also takes a qb to throw it to those guys running wide open, which we also haven’t seen for a while.
I figure UNLV offense is kind of like the ducks from past years, it may take thema. while ot get warmed up, but once they get rolling, it may be tough to slow them down. Beavs have a tall order to hold serve throughout the second half. UNLV probably wins by 2 tds now. Too much for Beavs. Prove me wrong Bray…
At least it’s a game. UNLV’s defense is not much better than the Beavs, but that was a shitty last two minutes of the half and it could end up costing OSU the game.
Our whole team does a lot of things that show they’re still quite green. With more experience (and less injuries) they could be pretty good.
Very lucky that 3rd down pass wasn’t caught.
Julian on the field caused that 3 and out. Welcome back kid
I know it’s brought up every game, but why is Walker the return guy and not Card?
Ya unless it’s just a hands and security thing doesn’t make sense. Also haven’t seen him yet this game.
He’s been returning KO all night
Not punts
Card got blasted on the kickoff return at the end of the half.
Card had some great fly sweep runs early in the season. For the past 3 games he’s nowhere to be seen in the run game.
Whelp. That turnover leads to a touchdown. Feels like being behind isn’t something we can overcome with this defense. No pressure. Can’t create turnovers ourselves. Can’t stop the run.
This is correct.
I don’t know, forcing two punts and giving up a short field TD so far. Beavs O could be providing some help.
But, yes, this group isn’t showing ability to come from behind.
Down by 6, guess it’s time to only pass.
Ran on 1st down, lost 3 yards. You’re going to pass on the next 2 downs.
So the defense knows this too, right?
Do you really think 2 runs would’ve worked? It’s not the play callers fault when the QB hire the receiver in the hands for a first down but the receiver drops it. Which is the only reason the 2passes didn’t work.
Predictable. That’s the problem.
Seriously? You do get that defenses try to get tackles for loss specifically because it makes offenses predictable? And the Beavs stopped themselves with a drop so it being “predictable” wasn’t the problem in anyway, shape, or form.
The only real problem this offense is having is that the receivers seem incapable of catching perfect passes.
The real problem is that we’re only passing the ball.
It’s pretty easy to defend a team that does only that.
I think we’ve run the ball zero times in our last four three and outs… or even four and outs.
We’re “only passing the ball” because we were behind by 2 scores and it was late in the game.
You do understand UNLV didn’t “stop” OSU on most of those series but OSU receivers dropping balls when wide open stopped OSU.
And you’re wrong, they ran the ball on every series of the 2nd half till the last 2. .
UNLV’s defense looks like they have made nice adjustments.
Was fun being a relevant program that at times broke into the top 25 with a few decent seasons but we are absolutely fucked now.
Our program as a whole is an embarrassment.
Yes, but Duck logic doesn’t apply here.
Your takes are bad the majority of the time. To think we missed you during your hiatus!
This team is ass. Turning this trash off
Whomp whomp.
Skyler Thomas injured. My god. He’s by far the best player we have and the only person in the secondary that can tackle worth a dam. That UNLV blowout could still happen.
Now the defense is just 11 bags of laundry…
Actually thought our D was going to look worse this game then they have even though not great. Our offense used to be able to run the ball. Don’t see it anymore. Typical refs sucking hasn’t helped us either.
^^This^^
I’d like to see more runs outside, haven’t got the OL to pound between the tackles.
Notice changing centers again tonight. Wells still banged up?
Got to be.
We need to catalog how many guys are missing for this team right now. There is a lot of talent sidelined or out for the season. Gundy is calling plays with his hands tied without Jam and a few Olinemen, and our shiny new Megatron doesn’t get open at all.
Meanwhile, KHJ is playing 7 cornerbacks/safeties to cover-up for losses along the dline, and. if he needs another d end, he plugs in an h-back. So crazy how injured this roster is right now. I hope these guys all grow form just being thrown into the fire.
Maybe n ext year will be much better once all of these guys get healthy.
Oh well, life of a Beav fan…
Every time they’ve gone outside it hasn’t worked either. Off tackle has been their best runs.
Our offense isn’t running the ball, because our offense is literally not running the ball.
Sure, if you ignore reality where they actually were running the ball on every series. But hey, you prefer the lie I guess.
Blown blitz pickup by hankerson leads to a sack that kills the drive.
Agreed.
He should have been carrying the ball, instead of trying to pick up a blitz.
First time this year I’m super irritated with Gundy. Truck play WR pass lost the game
This team has to be perfect to win right now and instead they’ve played incredibly sloppy football the last 2 weeks. The coaches need to take some responsibility for that.
I also wish coaches would teach WR’s they can throw the ball away instead of taking 7 yard losses with a trick play is sniffed out.
pass happy
I could have called a loss with this scheme. if they would have just told me.
30 runs to 19 passes is “pass happy” now? Okay.
Pass happy in the second half for sure, with very little production, and another drop by Walker…the offense is missing a huge piece with Jam out. UNLV is just playing pass rush now anyway.
Teams tend to pass when they’re 2 scores down. It was a run play that led to UNLV getting the lead if you recall.
Yeah, bad teams only pass when they are down 2 scores, which is how the Beavs play right now.
Ugh, first off, OSU ran the ball on every series of the 2nd half until the last 2 so I don’t even know what you are talking about. It’s simply not true that they’ve have “only passed” since being down 2 scores.
Yeah… no.
We lost this game because we’ve gone pass happy in the last five possessions.
And none of them have been productive, as is totally predictable.
Us winning the 2022 Civil War was not a fluke. It was simply one guy recognizing that this is fucking college football, and you should just run the dam ball.
Hahaha, sure. It worked in 2022 so it must be the solution to everything!
I am all for running the ball but you’re being incredibly irrational right now.
First, they have ran the ball, it is a lie to say they haven’t.
Second, WRs dropping passes is why they couldn’t stay on the field.
Sorry, I am not going to blame the coaches for FBS scholarship athletes being incapable of catching passes that hit them in the hands.
1155 here and no sign of Jack. He only posts bullshit. Not a real Beav. A total total loser.
Omo doesn’t subscribe to the “bang into ’em and hope they go down” method of tackling. Nice to see that sack get completed.
Frustrating to see this offense dropping back to pass every play. Clock is against us now, so I get it, but it’s painfully obvious that it’s not what we’re built for…
RB shouldn’t have fumbled in the 3rd and WR’s shouldn’t have dropped first downs on back to back series. Blaming too much passing is looking for an overly simplistic thing to blame. A fumble and 2 drops have been the issue in the 2nd half.
Pathetic. I called it. This team is trash.
So are black people, according to you.
So I don’t think you’re very credible.
Why you ignorant fool! Who ever said anything to you about black people? Certainly not me. I’m from the wild and wonderful Whites of West Virginia. We work the mines. We smoke meth. We pay for pills with our kids’ Christmas money. But we aren’t black. You made the assumption that I was mocking black people based on my vernacular, but once again, you were wrong. I was simply mocking my own kind. My own kin. Relax, Jack. Love is everywhere. So is the Caribbean! Live a little!
Beavs have some work to do. Start with the strength coach and figure out why we have 20 guys hurt at the same time…
Seems like a lot of long term injuries. When do some of these guys get back on the field?
Most have been at practice too. Clearly there’s something going on to cause this. A quarter of your roster with long-term injuries isn’t normal and just bad luck.
Our turf?
Gundy really taking his McGiven coaching-tree status seriously tonight.
I don’t understand what pass interference is anymore.
Here is an entry level lesson for future reference:
1) If the receiver is slow, it isn’t pass interference
2) If the receiver is a Beaver, it isn’t pass interference
3) If the receiver is much bigger and a Beaver, it isn’t pass interference
It’s the total abdication of the run game, at all costs.
You’re gonna ride that lie like you’re Donald Trump aren’t you?
Look at the play sequences when we failed to do anything.
Our late TD… a run. It got there how? A called QB run for a first down earlier in the drive… that was noticeable because it broke a streak of some 12 to 16 pass plays with no (maybe one?) first downs.
The four series before that?
You square that lie, given the pbp.
If you can explain it to me, I would be greatly impressed, if only because you altered reality to make whatever claim you think is relevant.
Let’s do every series of the 2nd half.
1st series: 6 plays for 6 yards. 3 were runs
2nd series: 2 plays for 7 yards. 1 run
3rd series (now trailing for the first time): 3 plays for -3 yards. 1 run
4th series (now trailing by 2 scores): 6 plays for 18 yards. 2 actual runs. Series fucked by a sniffed out trick play and a dropped pass
5th series: 4 plays for -7 yards. No runs
6th series (now trailing by 16): 11 plays 75 yards. 2 runs
7th series (down 8 but under 2 minutes: 9 plays 48 yards. 1 run.
Till they trailed by 2 scores they had 11 plays and 5 were runs.
I just disagree that is a “pass happy” offense.
1st series: Clemons’ “run” wasn’t really one in any sense that we were running the ball. East-west isn’t a real run.
2nd series: death by fumble
3rd series: Another east-west “option” play by McCoy is the only attempt to run against this stout UNLV run D.
4th series: Actually 8 plays… and only one called run. McCoy busted play for one doesn’t really count as a run call. The trick play wasn’t really a trick, given we had already run east-west with Clemons. Dropped passes happen… when you pass the ball a lot.
5th series: No runs and two sacks… because it was obvious we weren’t running.
6th series: The two called runs.
Regardless, 10 called runs in 43 plays, with two of them being east-west dumb calls.
The three series before?
7 out of 11 are runs – TD
3 of 3 are runs – TD
5 of 6 are passes – punt with time left on the clock for UNLV to go and score… because we were dinking around with passes.
So after we had a two score lead, we went 11 runs in 49 plays, with two of them being east-west misdirection that fooled nobody (actually lost yardage between the two of them).
That’s pretty pass happy.
7th series: The one qb run… why?
We ignored the run so much, it was just habit to not look at the RB on the last play.
Ah gotcha, so now only some runs are “real runs”
And yes that’s as far as I read.
Fucking ridiculous take.
It’s absolutely not.
When you have an advantage in size and strength, you run north and south on the opponent. You absolutely do not try and get all fancy by allowing them to string you out east and west, especially when you’re trying to set up a passing game. The first series of the second half is the last time we had play action fakes, because we abandoned the run after that.
AND Texas loses, Alabama loses, so UO #1 tomorrow?
Yup!
I have no interest in what goes on with 0regon. I kinda hope they “win it all” now. It would at least be a big fuck you to all of the schools responsible for all of this fuckery.
What was college football has been destroyed. So who gives a fuck?
It’s a whore’s trophy.
Gundy passing game seems to be long developing crossing routes. Not sure that’s any better than Lingrens long developing fade routes. Would it hurt to run a screen every once in awhile? Or hell, maybe get our fastest receivers on the field? And why the hell is Walker the guy getting the wr sweep? How does Allah not even get 1 carry?
Good effort, but just too green. I love the heart of this team, though.
The D was flying around. McCoy played pretty darn well too. Beavs just have nothin at WR.
What happened to the WR Wells who caught that TD earlier in the year? Also, looks like they abandoned the fly sweep with Card.
I suppose they should have just ran there and it had nothing to do with UNLV tackling the WR in the end zone right?
Bro that is kind of the point. Insanity to keep passing when they haven’t been called for PI the whole game, yet it is their reputation to be “physical” which is code for they hold on every play…
Again, most of the series ended when a WR dropped a pass that hit them in their hands not because of UNLV’s great pass defense.
I’ve always been somewhat amused by the interpretation when “their feet just got tangled up, so it’s not a foul in that case”……If that really is the rule, couldn’t DBs just intentionally “get the feet tangled”. Like as if they are looking for the ball but they also kind of know where the defenders feet are and they can essentially just do a no look trip?
meant to say….they know where the RECEIVERS feet are therefore they can do a no look trip……
Could have used some beaver fans in the stadium to boo that non-call.
I think I’m over wasting 3 hours on Saturdays. Maybe I’ll go ride bikes and raise bees like Angry.
It’s definitely not appointment television going forward haha. I will say though that despite how negative I’ve been in the past weeks about how depressing the schedule is to look at…..this was actually a pretty entertaining game. Even though this new conference will have zero tradition behind it and not much in the way of programs that have had a history of success…..maybe after a few years of getting used to it it might be okay.
Yeah, I really don’t know how to feel about the future. The hopium has left my body the last two weeks. I still think College Football is “dead”. Regardless of a PAC12 revival. NIL and the networks sealed the deal. Sadly, it’s looking like baseball and other sports will be ruined too.
Yeah I’m still leaning that way. Although I’m old and washed like I expect that most people participating in this board are. We’re married to the past because that’s all we’ve known and we’ve been watching for decades. The younger generation will probably adapt better to the new regime.
Even the rules specialist for the broadcast said it was pass interference. Hank was wide open tho.
Was there a PI call all night? I don’t think I’ve ever watched a D1 game without a PI or defensive holding call. Refs apparently made a decision to let them play.
What the hell are we doing???
Big gay Bray is costing me years off my life. First, we get relegated to the mountain West and now we are taking beatings to the nose and getting teeth knocked out at home by casino schools.
Don’t they know how good of an academic school we are? Why are we settling for this?
I really thought BGB would be national coach of the year and our new conference outsmarted everyone and would dominate the college landscape but now I’m having serious doubts…
Your Duck education is showing.
Dude……wut?
Bigots gonna bigot.
What can you say. Despite how terrible the team played, they were still a position to possibly win until the end, and, like last week, who knows what would have happened without multiple turnovers.
*in a position
With the amount of turnover our program had this offseason what did we really expect? 11-1 was always a delulu expectation. My original prediction of 7-5 seemed optimistic at the beginning of the year but now it’s reality we might struggle to win 5 games. Qb: below average OL: mediocre RB: good but injured WR: not D1 level Defense: Mangled, Inexperienced, and/or old and not talented. People can hate on the coaching staff all they want but reality is the roster is decimated and was not ready to begin the season. We have offensive players playing d line and our best wide receiver is a walk on… the cupboard was raided with no time to recruit. what did we expect?
Maybe the best WR of all time at OSU I as a walk on doesn’t mean he’s not talented. Jaydon grant was a walk on , Devin Chappell and others. Same with several offensive lineman over the years. Not to mention the qb that led us to our best season ever.
True but I think you’re missing the point. T Walk has been great for what he is, not bashing the kid at all. But we just aren’t that talented and have no speed at WR. All those guys you named are legends, T Walk is great but not really anywhere near legendary status. We were already subpar with WR talent during the Judas years, and that was before the transfers and graduates.
This team seems like it will be in every game moving forward. McCoy seems to play really well when our back is against the ropes. If he can find a way to pull that mojo out all the time, I think we could win a good chunk of our remaining games.
Seriously?
Yeah, I mean he led those two drives at the end of the game that almost got us back in it. Did he not?
Just got home, rough ending. Disappointed so many people left early. Team showed a lot of grit to hang in but damn those refs sucked.
The fact that our defense got multiple stops and a pick and allowed less than 200 yards rushing against the 5th rush offense in nation is encouraging after what we witnessed the week before.
Its kind of been a typical Beavers season, lose a game they shouldn’t (Nevada) – and hopefully will win a game they shouldn’t (Wazzu, Boise) Win two of the next three for bowl eligibility.
It’s funny, even with just two teams, Sagarin has the Pac-12 as the fifth best conference in the country. And ahead of Independents (like ND).
The program is still competitive – and in a better place than several teams that are looking at coaching changes and massive transfers in the off-season. Maybe its time to bring back the Angry Beaver unis of the early 2000s.
The team (e.g. the defense) has to earn the those uni’s.
Winning vs Boise or WSU would be the most Beaver thing ever. We actually want those teams to do well at this point. WSU winning out might get them an at large playoff bid if an 11-1 record gets them into the top half of the rankings(i’m skeptical it will, but their schedule is very winnable)
If they get in, the Pac(OSU) gets a nice payday.
If Boise gets in, it’s good publicity for the future Pac12 conference, plus the extra eyeballs on Boise will help the Pac with media valuation. Jeanty needs to remain healthy and keep doing what he does and he should get the Heisman. Also good for publicity.
If the Beavs get their 5th win as the team that knocks either team out, it would be a sad day for the Pac.
Not mad about last night’s result, defense did what they could. Offense stagnated a little bit.
I remember when people laughed at my 4 win preseason prediction and said 9 wins. Just saying…
McCoy with his usual 6.2 yards per pass average. Bray is not a very good HC in sticking with this guy. Before downvoting me because he plays for your team; imagine he was playing for some other team and producing like this.
McCoy was more than serviceable. The drops were brutal. There can’t be many other QBs in D1 with less to work with than he has. I’m also a bit confused why you trash on him because he came from Idaho. Lot’s of QBs perform well at low level programs and move up. See Cam Ward going from Incarnate Word to WSU to now Miami. Vanderbuilt QB Favia starting his career at New Mexico State, etc….I’m not saying McCoy is great or anything but we got way bigger issues than him.
0TDS and 6.2 average. You can blame whoever you want. Last week it was the D, this week the receivers. Really good QBs win games like last night’s. He’s barely a game manager, and if he is, that’s not the type of QB needed on a team like this with bad D.
I mean, it’s hard to have a good avg. per completion when you’re receivers are blanketed and then drop the balls that actually do get delivered to them. And of course, if they can’t get open down field a high percentage of passes are going to have to be near the line of scrimmage. Also, are you just gonna ignore the 80 yards rushing with 2 TDs? Back out the sacks and it’s basically a 100 yard rushing night for him.
I don’t view running as a great asset. The QB has to be able to stretch the field with his arm to loosen a D. It’s an asset, but it’s an overrated one as a primary asset. As a secondary asset it’s great, but you have to be able to throw first. Else it just gets in the way of offensive flow. I mean Seth Collins could run…
Yep, agree with you on this one. ;o)
I simply disagree with the assertion that McCoy “CANT” stretch the field. You go back to the well time and time again on the YPC stat without providing context. Does he actually have time for downfield plays to develop? Are the receivers actually open every play and he just keeps air mailing them? No. For me, the eyeball test shows him throwing the ball fine. The roster constraints dictate the needs from the QB at this point in time. It has to be alot of quick passes and the ability to hurt the defense with your legs. Having a statue QB in the pocket makes zero sense right now, even if he were a slightly better passer.
Trent Walker catching a quick slant or 6 yard curl isn’t the same as James Rodgers catching the same pass. Honestly, Walker has flat dropped at least 2-3 deep throws that would have been touchdowns too. McCoy is more than serviceable. Angry needs to bag on McCoy because that is the only name he can remember from this team. He already admitted that he doesn’t watch this team anyway.
A qb like Luton in this situation would get destroyed in the pocket and would have no better luck with these receivers.
We are playing Noga, and Walker-both walk-ons in the top 3 wr spots. Clemons hasn’t had any impact yet. Card, Wells, Reddicks are getting mugged or pushed around constantly and can’t get open. The offense has been reduced to Walker catching 50% of the passes and a lumbering TE who can’t maintain his feet after catches. There is no yac yardage, so any yards McCoy is getting is just based on his own throws. Sideline outs are the safe throws that Gundy is trying to use, over the middle throws are never open due to the wrs. Also, we may be perceived as the bully among the MWC schools, so we don’t merit any PI calls against our wrs, as noted for the last 2 weeks. Beavs wrs can’t get away from dbs in man coverage, and in zone they don’t know where to stop, and McCoy is under pressured too.
How did UA have 5 wrs running wide open routes last year but we can’t get 1 guy consistently open ever?
He doesn’t watch the games, an eyeball test means nothing to him. He’s stats based only, and only the stats that suit his current narrative
Ben would average, like, 4. He can’t even throw it 50 yards, as displayed during the bowl game.
I think its debatable on whether to play Johnson over McCoy. With this being a rebuilding year, what is the point of playing Senior Gulbranson, since as you have stated our ceiling is around 4 wins. You might as well get the young guys some experience.
Re: Gulbranson – I’m not sure the point of him since I can’t even be sure of the point of the Beavs having a program. But he’s probably the best pure passer, though, and proved himself vs P5 teams. So, I think he’d give them the best chance to win games. If the point is to win games, then I guess that would be the point. The RBs can run. We really don’t need a running QB.
Ben wasn’t “proven” as a passer against P5 teams. He was lauded for knowing how to check into the right running play off of any play called. He didn’t win any game with his passing, unless you want to count the Stanford miracle as Ben’s doing.
His advantage was a great defense, and a great running attack/experienced oline. When the run game wasn’t working, the Beavs offense looked dreadful if Ben was forced to pass. You have selective memory, Angry.
I think McCoy would win all of those games too if he had the same scenario against the same teams, and I think McCoy would’ve won in Seattle also, based on what he has done so far this year.
Nah. He was a pretty good passer. Not elite or anything but solid. Could throw deep outs and such. Definitely much better than McCoy. The offense would be better with him running it, and so hopefully we get to see that.
I can see Ben getting some playing time as he has been a great team player and deserves some playing time but don’t think he is the answer moving forward.
As far as not needing him to run, I disagree. See Patrick Mahomes. Just having the ability to run can keep the defense honest knowing they need to account for the QB.
Well Mahomes throws great. As I said, running becomes an asset after you can pass. A run first QB who can’t pass is pretty useless. And that’s what we’re seeing. Not nearly enough production at QB, and it’s costing us big. It’s like baseball teams that rely on SB (low win event) instead of HRs (high win event). Big plays win games, in general, unless you have some other part of the team that’s elite.
Glad to see I was wrong and Beavers fought. Looks like they didn’t quit either. Take care the ball and they’re probably 6-1 at this point.
I don’t understand the Beavers regular struggles of finding players who can throw and catch the ball. These guys have been playing football at least since junior high, they have spring and fall camps, train in summer, practice weekly…it’s what they DO. Other teams are going plug and play, particularly with transfers. The Beavers offense is supposed to allow players to play years 1-3. How will the Beavers recruit receiver talent when those kids see this offense?
Sounds like OLine play is middling at best without Van Wells? McCoy still picking up snaps off the turf?
11 months ago Beavers were ranked #11/12 with #5/6 UW coming to Reser. Been downhill since that turnover rich, 2 point loss. A missed opportunity. Now in a key transition year, key and multiple injuries and turnovers are costing the Beavers an opportunity to maintain some sort of competitive relevance.
In the new MTN PAC conference, beavers will likely be hoping to peak at #3 behind WSU and BSU in football, and struggle at times with Fresno and SDSU. In MBB Tinkle will get boat raced by Gonzaga and SDSU…and well, everyone else.
Once a bowl is out of the picture, I think they should give Johnson most of the reps and see if they can develop him. McCoy is gritty, and that’s respectable, but there’s no potential longer term future with him.
I didn’t watch any more of the game when the Beavs went up 17-6 late in the second. Sounds like it was a good time to shut it off. Looking at box score stats, everything looked pretty equal. The defense up until that point was making some plays and finally incorporated some blitzes. Being a realist, with what has transpired within the last 10-11 months (new coaching staff, new offense with a new QB and new DC, transfer of a lot of the talent we had with most be upper classmen), I think the best we could have hoped for was and is 6-6 or possibly 7-5. All of injuries have hurt us as well, which are way more than most teams experience. Big difference between Freshmen and Juniors and Seniors. That is a lot to overcome. For perspective, there are some pretty good programs that are struggling. Look at Michigan who has a new HC, they are 4-3.
Look at Michigan State! Hahahaha
I wonder what area of the team the staff views as the key for future recruiting. Compared to what may actually be attainable. Obvious needs at wr, qb, oline, running back, dline, linebackers, kick returner, punt returner, kicker. Maybe the strength is at db/safety. Who is going to find the guys who will plug in and excel?
Here are 3 programs with first year head coaches and transfer qbs, multiple starters just transferred into their program.
UNLV-Coach came from Texas, but had coached at Montana St; had several transfer contributors.
Indiana- Coach came from James Madison- Indiana of all teams has 20 new transfer starters and they just boat raced Nebraska and likely will face Ohio St at 10-0 in a few weeks.
Vanderbilt-Coach came from New Mexico St- just beat Alabama with a handful of meaningful transfer from New Mexico St of all places.
The concept of high school recruiting may be over. The game is free agent transfers without payroll limits and the Beavs won’t be able to compete with it.
I had hoped Bray and company would be able to right the ship this year and maintain relevance but it is fading. Beavs will be the first program to hit relegation and never return to prominence. I blame the entire administrations of the 1960’s and 1970’s for where OSU is right now. It took 50 years for the incompetence and disregard for athletics to ultimately kill the university, and this is now reality. It was 29 years of futility, viewed as a success by the egghead profs who despised athletic, that created a small mindset among so many fans of OSU. Now we see the fruition of small mindedness in action. It is quite ironic that the facilities are amazing and updated, but no longer of any value to change anything. The dye is cast. The end is at hand. Bray did an admirable job but I wouldn’t blame the guy if he took a high paying DC job in the SEC or Big 10 at this point. At least he stuck around and tried to save the ship. even against all odds. Injuries, roster, media, talent, all point to a very bleak future for OSU. We may be better to go down to FCS and compete against NDSU and SDSU each year for true National Championships instead of this charade to try to be among the 72 top FBS schools, when no one wants us there to begin with.
UNLV coach has been there at least two years. Played LB and was HC at Mizzou.
Odom couldn’t get it done at Mizzou. UNLV has revitalized his head coaching career.
Yes sir, you are correct!
Looking at the remaining schedule, I’m finding it difficult to see ehere we scratch out another “W” , as all those teams appear to have the ability to beat the Beavs except maybe, for AF. The MW teams look especially like they are playing more inspired then we are. At this point, maybe let another QB come in – BG is a good QB with experience – certainly a better passer than McCoy; let him come in for a half and see what he can do. The injuries have really decimated this team, too. Is Jam coming back this season at all? The defense may have to pull guys off the street of Corvallis and enlist them to play if the injuries keep happenning. Certainly, what has happened the last 12 months has hurt OSU significantly more than WSU – they must have been able to retain most of their players in the off season.
BG is going to make the offense even more 1 dimensional, dude can’t run.
The last couple of games make me wonder where the Beavs would have been in the next couple of seasons if the P-12 had not fallen apart. It’s not like 40 players went into the portal. I’m not seeing much Power 5 talent anywhere on the field. I think the team was heading on a downward trajectory unless Smith had some recruiting magic up his sleeve. My assumption was that this team would dominate most MTW teams and I know the injuries have been killer, but it’s a very thin group after that. I guess I should have taken Barnes statement about still being a “power program” with a grain of salt. They’re a fair to middling G5 team as it stands.
With new coaching staff and scheme along with transfer of established experienced players plus the injuries have decimated are depth. Lots of young inexperienced guys playing. Plus physically are getting overmatched at the line of scrimmage. I think many top programs would be struggling with all of this happening.
Sure we didn’t have 40 transfers but nearly every transfer was a major contributor. we lost starting QB1&2, RB, WR1, TE1, C, DE, MLB, CB1, S all just to transfer. Then RB2, multiple WRs, best OL, and a handful of defenders to draft/eligibility. Right now we have roughly 75% of our defensive 2 deep injured. And on top of all that the incoming recruiting class was decimated. It’s really an issue of quality over quantity in our losses and there was a LOT of quantity as well. I think if we retain all that except for the draft/eligibility guys and were relatively healthy, we’re a preseason top 20 ranked team and compete for a playoff spot. Especially with an established system and coaches. We were sitting in a very good spot before Judas left
Anyone impressed with Bray or this staff?
I think it’s too early to make a judgement. He needs at least one to two more years. Once he has been through a recruiting cycle and can get some healthy players, we’ll see how they are doing. I think Dabo Sweeney struggled at Clemson early on and he and that program have turned out alright.
I feel like the energy and leadership is meh. Smith had bad players early in his tenure, but you could feel the energy and inspiration. This could be a function of losing P5 status or something, but I just feel like he doesn’t bring inspiration.
Yeah. What he said.
That reply belongs to what midwesternbeavfan said.
It’s interesting that you ask that. Too early to make a judgment, but I saw a couple of camera cuts when UNLV was running off all those points and he had that lost, deer-in-the-headlights look on his face. I thought he would be a bit more fiery like when he was a player. He needs time to recruit his own players.
Not a fan of Hynson
If you have the option between a QB who can pass but is a statue (Ben is not, he runs “fair”) and a guy who can run “very good” but can’t make all the throws, you should always take the first guy. Really zero exceptions. Running at QB becomes an asset, and a huge one, only after that guy can pass above average.
Correct.
Where’s this “McCoy can’t pass” coming from?
I think the larger concern is receivers that can’t catch passes that hit them their hand.
He didn’t watch the game. He’s going off the stat line to make assumptions.
It makes no difference who starts at QB going forward. Whoever that is has absolutely NO legitimate downfield targets to throw to.
Didn’t any of the second half but sounds like there was a few key drops by our receivers that if they catch those might have made the game possibly closer.
Yep but many on this board want you to believe it’s because they abandoned the run or McCoy can’t pass.
It was the drops and the fumble (on a run play) not lack of run plays.
Up two scores, and we had 11 called run plays out of 49 plays for the rest of the game, including one terrible end around and a half-assed pitch option.
The two drives that got us the two score lead were 10 runs in 13 or 14 plays.
lol at claiming they were “up 11” for those 49 plays and ignoring that they were “down 1” specifically because of a run play.
You got them Trump lie genes in you Jack.
Our oline was on their heels the whole second half, when they should have been methodically beating UNLV’s front into the dirt.
Ain’t no lie.
Okay.
I have no interest in arguing this.
I just disagree and would bet 95% of coaches would disagree.
Why do you disagree?
You have never said why, and I have reasoned that our bigger and stronger Oline, which was bullying them in the first half, would have continued to find success doing the same things they were having success doing when we gained a two-score lead.
Your only reasoning has been ad hominem attacks against me and a bunch of “nuh uh.” You’ve even denied that 38 pass plays out of 49 plays is pass happy.
From here, it looks more like you have no interest in reality.
I disagree because they didn’t do what you claim till they were down 2 scores with under 10 to play. 95% of coaches are abandoning the run at that point. Sorry you just starting watching football last Saturday but abandoning the run when trailing by multiple scores in the 4th quarter is quite normal.
Does the fact you simply misread my comments have anything to do with your denial of reality?
We had 11 run plays called in the last 49 plays of the game, over 2.5 quarters of game time.
In the previous 13 plays that gave us a two-score lead, 10 of them were called runs.
I didn’t misread anything.
Stats from 49 plays without context is meaningless. With context it becomes quite clear the didn’t abandon the run till down 2 scores.
They started abandoning it in the first half, which is what led to UNLV gaining momentum, not that abandoning it when down two scores is really justified.
I think he made big mistakes in hiring Gunderson and Heyward. I have no idea what Gunderson is trying to do and his energy level is equal to an 80 year old. I read somewhere that Heyward still lives in Eugene. They both seem out of their league and I have a hard time believing that they will be able to recruit the right type of kids to come to OSU. We will be screwed if Bray can’t make any big changes in the offseason.
Didn’t they already get some good recruits like allah and exodus plus the new qb that’s really highly rated.
I do think we can be a little harder on Bray and staff because essentially the team has been relegated and are in theory playing a less difficult schedule with Power 4 financial support (at least for now). Where the program is after a couple of years in the new P-12 will tell the tale.
Not sure this is any easier than our Pac 12 opponents would be this year. We’ve already played the best of them, and Boise is better than any of the others.
We’re just missing a Utah type team on the schedule.
SOS is pretty low. Lower than any of the power conference teams. I doubt it would have been lower in the PAC.
Just looking at the strength of all the former Pac teams, I don’t see it being higher.
I even overstated Utah in my previous comment. They fired their OC.
Do agree have to give at least the same amount of consideration we have in past, esp. given circumstances that occurred just within the last season.
For what it is worth, ESPN has Oregon State projected to return to El Paso against either BC or Georgia Tech.
SJSU and Air Force are technically the winnable games, but I think we all thought Nevada would be a win. 6-6 gets the team to El Paso?
Shreveport
Will anyone be shocked when the Beavs do get to 6 wins but will still be dropped to the worst available bowl among the bowl games still contracted to the PAC12?
If they win 6 they’ll be in a bowl, this victimhood complex needs to end. Please end it. We aren’t victims
It doesn’t even matter if we did go 11-1 this year, the cards are stacked against anyone not B10/SEC. 7-0 BYU has 7 teams ahead of them with a loss. WSU not even making the top 25 at all is an absolute joke at 6-1.
Wazzu has a really solid chance to go 11-1, but I don’t think they will sniff the playoffs after getting blown out by Boise St. Are New Year’s Six Bowls a thing of the past? No idea what bowl they will get with that record.
In all this post game talk I’m really surprised at the lack of attention given the state of the Beavs O-line.
Seems to me it starts with continual shuffling at Center and goes down from there. Not sure how Coach M would have responded to the hand DeVan has been dealt.
The O-line is garbage
When we abandon the run and the opposing d can pin its ears back… certainly.
It’s not who we are or who we have ever been when we do find success.
If I bought your nonsense about “abandoning the run” I might think you have a point. Your commitment to that lie is admirable.
If you think 38 passing plays out of 49 total isn’t abandoning what we were doing with ease before that, I might think you have a point.
But your point is nothing but denial of that fact, saying “Nuh uh” a lot, and calling me a liar.
If you ignore the context of those 49 plays sure. But the context matters and with context they were running the ball roughly 50% of the time until they were behind by 2 scores.
You like to ignore context. I don’t.
If we add the productive drives earlier in the game which put us up two scores, the rest, where we lost that lead and panic-reacted by going away from what was productive makes much more sense, because we can now dilute the last 2.5 quarters.
This started before the first half was over, btw. If we run the ball in our last possession, UNLV doesn’t score going into halftime.
We just had an explosive play running the ball, and we turned around and gave them momentum.
And I wrote the run/pass breakdown for each series and called you a liar, that’s the opposite of “nah nah”
That rundown was it.
And it clarified nothing, except maybe your claim about a lot of coaches eschewing what works for a bunch of fancy pants football that eventually loses games. The PTSD watching Gundy pull a Lindgren/Langsdorf with the playcalls was palpable.
So I concede a lot of coaches do have this mentality, sometimes even situationally, like Boise forgetting they had Jeanty late in their loss.
Too many coaches out there trying to fix something that was never broken.
I do sort of wonder if Lindgren was low-key seething at Gulbranson after the 2022 CW, after Ben essentially ignored him for most of the second half.
Note: I’ve yet to miss a Beaver game ever.
I think too many are doom and gloom here.
Yes ideally we’d be WSU or Boise State right now but we are t.
That said, here’s the reality. OSU, despite their 4-3 record, still gets the same level of attention and respect nationally. And like it or not barring some kind of Pete Casey like resurrection of football is a pretty good spot to be moving forward.
This transition year hasn’t been ideal from OSU’s perspective but the profile of the program as “power” has held as much as it has for anyone outside the SEC/B1G. Only Oregon may have elevated itself, not sure any other PAC school has. We’re just really close to Oregon which makes it more difficult for us.
Yeah, it hurts so much more because of everything the Beavs have been through this last year.
If the team had been blown up like they were and starting a rebuild with a first time HC, OC, DC, etc. and dropped some clunky stinkers to some mid Stanford or ASU teams with some bad mistakes in any given typical Pac-12 year, I don’t think the emotional reaction would be nearly as bad. Most Beav fans would see the positives along with all the negatives and taking these L’s more in stride. It sucks because these are MWC teams and we want to see the Beavs as above and beyond that level of play, and they aren’t right now.
There was some real growth and positive change in this game, especially after how shitty the D played in Reno, but this time the Offense (and Gundy) really struggled. It’s a really young team with so many impact players out to injury.
They play loose and free in the closing minutes of this ugly ass games and move the ball at will even when they are giving up sacks or making bad decisions and that’s indicative to me of an inexperienced team lacking confidence in knowing that they can be dominant. We saw the same thing at the end of the WSU/Arizona games last year, when the expectation that DJU and co. were gonna show up and dominate was out the window and they were just playing football when the pressure was on.
The young players (and coaches) need the ego-death reality check, fans too apparently.
This isn’t a A- team that has been building for 6 years ready to compete with Utah, USC, UW, and UO for a Pac-12 championship game run, it’s a B-/C+ team with a lot of the veteran impact players out to injury.
If they can take the L’s and stay together as a team and staff I think this team can still get to 7-8 wins and I think most of Beaver Nation would call that a success, especially if they can keep the team together through the Portal window and win a bowl game.
If they lose the locker room and sulk their way to a 4-8 finish… yikes.
I don’t agree. Level of talent is down significantly. No depth. No top level talent. D is abysmal. Recruiting is down. No mention of Beavs on national stage. WSU and BSU are drastically underrated in polls. Neither will make CFP even if both win out which is not good for Beavs. Will hurt perception and recruiting if they can’t sell chance to make CFP. 2025 schedule has stalled and is at least a week behind Barnes’s own timeline. P12 rebuild has been a mess. Still no media deal and prospects are iffy at best. Beavs future prospects are equal to CSU, FSU, SDSU, and USU well behind BSU and WSU. Utah, Colorado, ASU, and Arizona all are on track to improve in near future. UW, USC, and Oregon are in great positions. Only UCLA, Cal, and Stanford are in perilous positions but all are in better shape than Beavs. The Beavs will likely lose out or possibly win 1 more game this year. SJSU, WSU, Cal, and BSU will not be losing to the Beavs and AF is a horrible matchup for us especially with MWC officials. I’m not trying to be doom and gloom but the future is incredibly dim at the moment. Hope rest with Gould’s ability to adequately rebuild P12 and secure media deal >$15m per year… and having BSU somehow overcome a corrupt system, make CFP and win a game or two.
Boise State makes it if they win out. Best G5 team which is what the new PAC is building for, you don’t have to like that but that’s the reality. And it might turn out to be better access than all the teams that’s left to the Big 12 got from a competitive odds of winning the conference standpoint.
WSU is an open question.
I do agree they’ve blown the new PAC launch but assuming they find a school that conference champ will get spot 5 most years.
This assumes the B1G/SEC don’t change the rules but for antitrust reasons I think access remains there.
Navy and Army are making a great case for themselves this year. Both are firing on all cylinders this year.
The new OCs at both have really changed the systems to be wildly efficient, and their defenses (Army a little more than Navy) are playing really disciplined and hard-nosed ball.
It would be wild to see them play in the AAC CG, then turn around and play again the next week in the Navy-Army Game.
I believe the Beavs were on the steady climb up under the gambler and had he not checked prior to the end on last season and stayed the course the Beavs would be “the Team” in this space they find themselves in right now. But as they say, it is what it is and honestly all thing considered we aren’t as in bad as shape as we should be with everything that has been dealt to us. Did I have higher expectations and hope for this year based on unproven’s? Yes. But when you pull away all that false hope and Orange colored glasses we are doing better then we should be considering all the circumstances.
I have always been amazed at how hard the MWC teams played and how entertaining the games were. I think we can be relevant in this new conference we are creating and I think we are off the a good rebuild start.
Last thought. Why Beav fans have compared ourselves to WSU is beyond me. My good golf buddy is from WSU and I told him from the start they came through this with way more advantages then we have in that they had retained coaches and players. JS robbed us of the same and left the cupboards bare. Bray has done an admirable job considering all things.
Is this new or was it your pre-season prediction, too? There was a lot of 9 wins and a playoff contender talk back then. What happened to 9 wins and a playoff team?
What happened to Nikegon’s 2007 Off-Season Championship not manifesting in an actual championship?
I made no pre-season prediction as I felt there were to many unknowns.
9 wins wasn’t out of the realm of possibility. I don’t think people foresaw or expected so many injuries (lack of depth).
Fully healthy this team is currently 6-1 and heavily favored against SJSU and AF. 9 wins was very possible but also optimistic due to the unknowns and overall depth. I thought hole, WSU, BSU were for sure losses at the beginning of the season
Boise is one injury away from spoiling a great season.
Somehow, football turns into football, once it’s not played on paper.
I honestly thought this game could’ve been way worse with them being the 5th rushing offense in the nation and our run defense last game. You could tell having some guys back really helped. I think they’ll beat San Jose and Air Force if healthy enough. Don’t know about the others other than Boise is probably a blow out.
By how many scores would the 2022 team beat this years team?
PFF “fun” from UNLV
Offense
Top 3: McCoy, Clemons, GCL
Bottom 3: Noga, Hankerson, Starck
Defense
Top 3: A Jordan, Olu, M Jordan
Bottom 3: Vadrawale, Schuster, Kane
The same guys are becoming fixtures in these lists. Also, there are some names that played defensive snaps I’ve never heard of before: Clive Pond and Kai Richardson? Goodman and Sullivan must be injured, but I’ve never seen anything on that. Truly no position has been untouched by injury.
Props to Alfieri, Julian, and Exodus Ayers for putting up “average” performances given their various circumstances and props to Olu for playing well while injured.
Ayers looked pretty good considering he’s a true freshman. Corner seems like a good position in the future for us if we can keep him and Jordan from the xfer portal.
His improvement from the previous game was impressive.
I’d rather see him fielding punts than Walker.
team is improving, imo they have a good chance against cal
Some perspective on the injuries courtesy of PFF ratings:
Offense top 5 players:
Voltin- injured
Strand- injured
Griffin- injured
GCL
McCoy
Defense top 10 players:
Collins
A Jordan
M Jordan
N Thomas- injured
Singleton- injured
Robinson- injured
Goodman- injured
Wesolak- injured
S Thomas
Thanks for the visual. It kind of tells the story of the year so far…
It’s a huge factor in our current record. People can say injuries are just part of football, yes, but no one predicting a college team’s record is going to consider the loss of 8 of the top players on the team, and 8 more in the 2-deep roster. So yeah, at the beginning of the season an 8-9 win record seemed attainable with the schedule we have. Not so much anymore.
Are you two cousins? ;o)
That was ohiobeav and beav in ohio.
There are more of us here than you’d think!
Bray dismissed strength&conditioning coaches role in all the injuries.
247 usual suspects are crystal balling Tristan Ti’a as a likely QB commit for OSUs 2025 class. He was on an official visit this weekend along with several others.
https://247sports.com/player/tristan-tia-46144745/
Another official visitor who was offered while at OSU thos weekend.
https://x.com/NiklasFisher/status/1848369433330303024?t=ne2NeHFSDTvrTZI08CWwsA&s=19
Another visitor who is committed to Utah State, but OSU is working on flipping.
https://247sports.com/Player/bleu-dantzler-46140639/
Cheesy name….
Former duck/current JUCO player who was on an official visit.
https://x.com/TuckerJalil/status/1846677414971416692?t=yrBxfHm3IKhhsBxPVXuMeA&s=19
FWIW, Tucker was a top 100/4* recruit out of HS. Of course you can always take those ranking with a grain of salt.
Played some WR in HS but is primarily a CB. The Keith Heyward connection probably helps here.
He was committed to transfer from Oregon to SDSU at one point but ended up goung the JC route instead.
https://247sports.com/player/jalil-tucker-46093963/high-school-247119/
Actually, looks like Rod Chance was his recruiter at Oregon
And the last official visitor, local kid from Clackamas.
https://x.com/xalexisruiz/status/1848122741821714510?t=3gCa7FYdqCS6w3J334aR2w&s=19
Appreciate the recruiting updates NB
It is much tougher to enjoy following recruiting news since the kid can always wait for another bidder to jump in at the last minute. I know Bray is finding the guys who “want to be here”, but we need to see that stick once they are a proven talent that the poachers will try to lure away with NIL packages.
If we have a roster of guys who really “want to be here” we should see the NIL departures lessen under Bray. I’m not so sure the current student athletes are wired to stay anywhere for 5 years. We are at a supreme disadvantage in the NIL/transfer free agent marketplace of college football, if the idea is to recruit and maintain your guys for 5 years solid.
It’s why we need to rely on local and regional recruits, maybe spend a little for some hosses, gather some overlooked players with chips on their shoulders, and develop them into a core who enjoys their celebrity as big fish in a smaller pond.
It’s basically what Boise and Wazzu do. and us in a past era. So we know it works.
Not everyone will stay, just like they can then be replaced with the portal. But consistency within the core roster and not having a coaching change at the end of the year will pay dividends over time.
Oh you mean how our best two coaches in the last 30-50 years Casey and Rueck built their programs.
Spend big on the front 7
Yeah, that’s why I’ve stopped putting effort into researching recruiting. It’s basically free agency every year. We know we’ll land a class that is relative to our payroll. Very little depends on actually recruiting athletes to your program anymore, because the plus know these are really 1 year deals with low risk.
If they’re implementing systems they think will allow players to play years 1-3, I think they have a reasonable window in mind.
Saw some school has a 17-year old FR WR playing and producing.
He plays for Alabama and he’s ridiculous. Think he’s cousins with the Williams sisters so appears there’s some good genetics there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/10/21/deion-sanders-coach-prime-nil-colorado/
See the “methodologies” section…OSU one of 8 schools to respond and provide data, with player names redacted.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/interactive/2024/nil-money-deals-college-sports-athlete-pay/
“The records from those eight schools include details from around 22,000 individual NIL payments worth $35 million total. (Oregon State redacted the value from 23 deals, citing student privacy laws that applied to those transactions.) “
The OSU football vs MBB NIL payouts is hilarious.
Also, the average NIL payment appears to be about $1500.
Can’t pay NIL to foreign players.
They’re here on student visas.
Wasn’t the data from previous years?
Bray, ever straightforward, answers questions about specific injuries:
“The injury thing — and I talked about this with a different media group — for me, personally, I never like to talk about people’s situation. I think it’s up to Jam or whoever is hurt to address that. There’s a lot of factors that lead into that. And I’m not even talking about whether Cal knows or not. It’s not about that. It’s just a personal thing for me. Whether he’s playing or not, does he want people to know of his injury? Is he injured? All those different things. So that’s kind of why I haven’t answered that question.”
He gave the same answer when asked if Jam has had a medical procedure on his injury.
https://archive.ph/M0IID#selection-481.0-481.531
I can understand not wanting to say if or how a player is injured, but some expectation of their return date would be nice to know as a fan.
I’m guessing Jam is out for year based on what I saw on video of injury.
I would like to see the same injury protocol as the NFL, no games. The kids are almost professionals or will be soon. It’s time for some transparency.
Can someone open a cal game week thread and also have a recruiting thread
I dont plan to add any more recruiting updates
Can you make cal thread tho
No
Wondering if this was maybe the lowest post count for a game thread here?
Got a Beaver lock. Seems likely it’s the QB who visited this weekend. Also, that would be our second QB in 2025 so I wonder if that means our first commit isnt locked in?
Pretty sure that other QB is a 2026
Ah, maybe that’s it.
Is a Beaver lock a chastity belt?
Quite the opposite in this current NIL and xfer portal. Red light district. Lol
Yes it’s Ti’a. Landed him over Utah, BC and several others.
74% completion percentage and averaging over 20 yards per completion. Quick release, good accuracy and he has a great burst as a runner. Nice prospect. The only thing you don’t see on film as much is throwing to second or third read. He’s mostly locking on to one guy.
He’s DJs cousin as well. Glad to see he left Corvallis on good terms
https://x.com/DUiagalelei/status/1848561251892576353?t=t7hjGPiOhnrbRJ6Cfd0boA&s=19
Big Dave was at the game. Assume he went to Yucks game then must’ve met his nephew for the OSU tour on Sat.
Not seeing the locking on, except on quick slants and outs, which he gets out of his hands quickly. Great footwork and mobility. His Oline is suspect, a lot, and he’s adjusting a lot of plays on the run.
What I don’t get is that he looks like he would have blown my doors off on the football field in HS, but his PR in the 100m is 12.40.
“74% completion percentage and averaging over 20 yards per completion. Quick release, good accuracy and he has a great burst as a runner. Nice prospect. The only thing you don’t see on film as much is throwing to second or third read. He’s mostly locking on to one guy.”
Looks like he’s locking in the right guy(s). Hard to argue with those numbers. Keep doing it until they stop it…
Perusing the conference standings for amusement. Our former conference members are having some tough times in new pastures. I hope they all lose, and never get to enjoy anything more than humble pie.
In order of conference records:
NikeU- 4-0
UW- 2-2
UCLA- 1-4
USC- 1-4
Colorado- 3-1
ASU- 2-2
UA- 1-3
Utah- 1-3
Stanford- 1-3
Cal- 0-4
We have a better B1G record than both the LA schools.
That’s funny.
Jon Wilner wrote in a previously cited article that those schools/teams are ok with that because they think they will gain credence. Doesn’t do much for this year’s players who signed on thinking they’d made the big time.
Recent Edge/olb decommit from Utah State earlier today. Now we’ve got Hedberg from Beav Blitz posting a gif that would suggest there’s more commits coming after yesterday’s qb announcement. Wouldn’t be too surprising to think we’ve flipped him. Guess it’s good to be able to win these head to heads vs our new conf opponents but kinda sucks to start in that low to mid 3 star range again
I’m ok starting there if we can keep the staff and players once they start developing.
You can win a lot of games with well coached 3 stars
Indiana is doing pretty well this year and I’m pretty sure their recruits are not much better than ours. Reinforces how important coaching is and having an above average QB.
If we can keep them. Hoping we don’t just become a training ground for players and we never get to see them in year 3/4 when they can really contribute.
You’re probably right about the Utah State kid.
He decommitted from USU today and when i retweeted it just now, one of our coaches(Ford) liked the retweet almost immediately
PAC supposedly in talks with St Mary’s as a partial member.
And Texas St for football. Not a good sign
And media deal will apparently come before schools are added with escalators for additions. Another bad sign IMO. Seems we’re moving from plan A,B,C,D towards plan E… sign subpar media deal ($8-12m) with Texas St and St Mary’s adds. My hope is that none of the rumors are true and Memphis, Tulane, and USF are in the mix along with a $15-20m media deal. I think things will move quickly in the next 4-5 weeks. My hunch is another letdown is coming.
Where are the rumors coming from?
There were rumblings on twitter today. Seems every couple weeks there is a flurry of stuff. Couple weeks ago Joe Hedberg had some crap that now seems illogical. Today there were a couple accounts saying there have been recent discussions and mutual interest between P12 and St. Mary’s/Tex St. Hard to say if there is any legitimacy in it. Kind of the problem with social media and media in general these days. Everyone has a “source” right? More like everyone has an agenda. Who knows what to believe. Based on having friends of friends that claim to have some insight, together with deciphering misc reports on twitter and other mediums, I have some ideas of what might be happening but nothing I’d remotely hang my hat on. I believe there are a wide range of possibilities and those on the bus with Gould are very anxious. I also believe Gould has made some critical mistakes and to some extent got played. That said, despite the missteps, she has also made some moves to get us back in the game. While the odds of getting the top schools and a max TV deal are slim, there’s still a chance for a great P12 rebuild. If Gould pulls this off, she’ll deserve a lot credit and a huge raise. However, if they end up with Texas St as the final team to get to 8, and the media deal is $8-12m, she deserves the blame for how she mismanaged adding the initial MWC 4. I believe they could have had Memphis and Tulane had they worked the MWC 4 and AAC 2 concurrently. Would have required foresight and planning but still feasible and something I believe Gould was advised on. Then they could have potentially added UNLV/USF although I don’t think the P12 saw UNLV as a priority. More of a Plan C. AAC schools in Texas were prioritized over UNLV. USF has always been considered a long shot in P12 eyes but a huge target. Gonzaga was a priority but not until the football 8 was set. Only after Memphis, Tulane, and UNLV fell apart did they reprioritize the Zags… and they overpaid because of it. USU was a huge break for Gould since they came with no real cost but was never a priority initially. At this point, GCU, St Mary’s, and Texas St are all possibilities but way down the wish list. UConn and USF are still in play but only if they could secure Memphis. If Memphis comes in, Tulane, UTSA, USF and UConn all become possible. Probably not gonna happen and if discussions with St Mary’s and Texas St are legit, it may indicate the media deal projections are underwhelming.
Depends on how big their share is. St. Mary’s boosts the basketball profile further and Texas St actually helps with expanding the footprint eastward. Texas St is probably desperate for a prestige boost and knows this is really their best option for it. Basketball is the crown jewel for St. Mary’s so being in a bigger conference while boosting other sports’ profile is likely interesting. Being in a 4/5-bid basketball league vs. a 2-bid league is a huge improvement for them.
Adding both actually makes the conference more attractive to Memphis, which needs to be seen as Priority 1. The key is not committing too much financially to them so there is enough left over to sway Memphis/Tulane.
No new schools will increase our media value. That’s why we’re already negotiating. The only questions are how much the Pac 8 is willing to pay for a school, is the school going to commit to athletics to make it a worthy member, at least on paper, and what kind of share will they take, if they are not yet at that level?
Our deal will be layered and complicated. Our numbers on CW are pretty outstanding, all things considered. So there’s some real value in OTA broadcasts. The point is also to have access to all sports, as well. Keep the PTN flush with gigs, and park it on a streamer, on demand. Viewership may be smaller for many events, but in aggregate, they are the gravy on top of the revenue sports.
Schultz said back in June that he thought 8 was a nice number, that business would begin in August, and that everything should be wrapped up by February. Everything seems to be a little ahead of that schedule right now. So I don’t get all the angst and pretending there’s more drama than there really is.
Same place beavs and cougs to the big12 are coming from.
There seems to be something going on between former Tennessee Edge Chandavian Bradley and OSU.
For the star counters out there, he was formerly a 5*/4* type guy out of HS. Played at Hutchison CC this season after leaving Tennessee.
Could be worth keeping an eye on
https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/college/university-of-tennessee/football/2024/07/10/chandavian-bradley-tennessee-football-hutchinson-community-college/73277878007/
For the players sitting 2,3,4 in the depth chart at well funded schools who want to actually play, Beavs can offer them legit playing time. We won’t be able to give them much or any NIL, but they can get playing time on national TV, stats, and a shot at the show. Seems like if we create an atmosphere where players want you to stay here and play, we could hold on to some talent. Sure, we’ll lose some guys, but they should look at the guys who transferred out this year as what they could get, time on the bench.
Pretty sure Beavs next commitment(or one of, depending on the timing) will be Nik Fisher. A Texas State edge rusher commit
https://x.com/NiklasFisher?t=Vs5uuLPDa3qOuc1qSZCdLg&s=09
Umm, no. He’s 100% committed to Texas State and they have a hype video….
Well if there’s a ‘100% commitment’ AND a hype vid, yeah that’s pretty much the gold standard
It’s almost as good as an airtight contract.
Maybe we can get MMD back from the juco ranks. Have to assume with all the injuries this year he’d be starting right now and knows the system. Most likely he was asked to leave to make way for the edge guy who was kicked off the team. Obviously a bad trade there.
I just assumed he didn’t mesh with the new DL coach. He was a big Bray fan and a top prospect so it seems odd that he would have been “forced” out.
He currently leads the top CA JC team in sacks so he doesn’t seem to be a guy that wasn’t working for it.
New thread up. Sorry, a bit late this week been busy.