Shelton is quoted as saying he's still a Beaver, and a lot of it is due to him liking the guy Mike Riley plans to hire. Well, SDSU recruited Shelton, and Tony White was his lead recruiter.
Speculation, but not far fetched to think White will be the hire. If true, it would be a home run.
Touchdown Beavers!! (I hope you’re right)
Yeah, let’s not get our hopes up, but the deduction is reasonable. I can’t find any other connection between OSU and an available DB coach Shelton knows/likes.
Thing that doesn’t make sense: if they couldn’t pay Heyward, not sure how they’d pay White.
Makes sense, especially considering how much Riley values recruiting in SoCal, that would make him an ideal fit.
maybe Riley, like some of the fans here, wasn’t enamored with Heyward’s coaching… you know the other half of the job.
I can understand Heyward’s pay due strictly to his inexperience. He could be a likely rising star, but this is all he’s known for his career. Brasfield and Brennan brought with them experience and recruiting skills. i think it would be a slight to them if Heyward were to make the same based on a small sample.
Sark saw value in Heyward. More power to him if he’s right. If he’s not right, then he just caused inflation.
angry… better get out in front of this before BB starts in on it. The topic will eat up this thread if let loose. I suggest posting another thread below this one and directing all related traffic to it.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=132692700638123200
It’s amazing how badly Hatfield wants to do this, yet the OSU resistance….ugh.
Loved this line:
In Nike’s think tank are ideas for that “visual hook” for the Beavers, something along the lines of Tennessee’s checkerboard end zone.
That would be so cool, in a classic way. I think Hatfield “gets it”…he has the right vision.
Get another post going below this one. Byte wil be here any moment, and that article was not short of the words brand, image or powerful. I don’t recall if bold was in there, but I’m sure it was. It was there as the elephant in the room, contrasting the meekness of BDC on this subject.
But there hasn’t been resistance. We just barely joined the tier-1 program and they’re already working on stuff that will be revealed in 2013.
The only resistance before was when we had JUST gotten the OS logo. I mean like within weeks, Nike comes along and asks if we want a new logo. Keep in mind, this is right after the killer B-cups uniforms. They offered us 2nd string designers and 2nd string ideas. Hatfield wasn’t designing anything for us, they were going to farm it out to interns or whatever. We declined.
Now that they’re offering 1st string designers, we’re on board. There really hasn’t been any resistance.
Throughout this article Tinker is basically saying “BDC is a loser, and has no idea how to market his athletic department. If I get enough alumni and fans calling his office maybe I can open his eyes.”
Go Tinker.
Yeah no kidding.
Riley seems like he’s all for it, and Hatfield sounds like he knows exactly what this program needs.
Then comes Bobby’s foot-dragging drivel. He kinda sounds like he wants to micromanage the redesign process, how it “needs to be more structured”.
Hey BDC,I think Hatfield knows what he’s doing,so fuck off and let him do his job.
Tinker to Bobby D: “Trust me Bobby…..remember the sports bra uniforms?”
Bobby D: “I think I need more structure…”
(I can’t say I totally blame DeCarolis for being cautious)
I’m not sure if many of you are aware, but there is a valid reason BDC does not want Tinker involved. It’s because Tinker and Nike own the Whoregon “O” and make all the profit from it’s sales. OSU makes a lot of money from the “OS” and do not want to give up the rights to Nike. It’s an ongoing back and forth so the question becomes what’s the ROI for giving up the rights? Unfortunately, I don’t know what the analysis looks like but given that BDC is saying no (or has said no in the past), I’m assuming that the ROI is negative. That is also assuming the analysis was completely vetted and determined accurate.
I’d be curious to see how much money we actually make off of the “OS”. Whatever the amount, it clearly has not translated into the hot, attention grabbing, I-want-to-play-for-that-school design that Nike has made Oregon’s logo into. Something that BDC (and apparently you) seem to be conveniently overlooking is while yes, Nike makes money off of Oregon, Nike also brought national attention to Oregon that they couldn’t bring to themselves and most importantly that attention has translated to wins and conference titles that we Beaver fans can only dream of. I say we let the marketing guru do his thing and see where it gets us.
I’m not overlooking anything. I said that I would have to know what the ROI analysis looks like and I don’t because I haven’t seen; however any analysis worth some weight would include the exposure and return (hence ROI). That being said, I’m not for Tinker and I’m not against him or Nike until I see the data. It seems that many are making conclusions/judgements without data to support his or her argument while also assuming that just because BDC hasn’t brought Tinker into the equation that he must be wrong. That logic doesn’t work in the business world.
Again, I’m all for Tinker and the new design if the data supports his involvement, but without knowing the data, no one can draw an absolutely conclusion.
We don’t own the rights to the OS logo. We just lease it from oSu. But the revenue stream is probably correct. It might very well be us against Nike in terms of controlling and profiting from a brand. The question is, is 100% of A bigger than X% of B? And will BDC account for all factors outside his books to come to the correct formula in deciding whether or not it is or isn’t?
my feeling is that hatfield’s interest in oregon state mainly stems from the fact that his brother’s (who also happens to be a higher-up at nike) son micah plays for them. frankly i feel like it had a lot to do with him receiving a scholarship.perhaps its a cynical way to think, but i’ll be curious to see if he holds onto this same vision two years later after micah’s eligibility is up.
If Riley is going to hire Tony White, why not say so publicly? How is it this kid knows something that the masses don’t? I hope we get him, but I’m not clear on the mystery.
Possibly preliminary talks? Can’t announce anything until everyone agrees upon all points of a contract and signs it.
I like the fact that Riley is at least talking to Shelton. That is an improvement.
An improvement over what? The coaching staff has been in contact with every recruit we have every day allowed, despite what paranoid BS you may hear from other sources.
What do you think of this Angry? I like the idea of a three-guard lineup, should give us some more opportunities.
http://rushthecourt.net/2012/01/19/hope-is-running-out-in-corvallis/
Honestly, I’m not sure. Hoops is so hard to figure out. Less Joe Burton/more Barton (for his defense) would be a good start, but how to divvy the minutes etc I’m not sure. It’s a weird team. JackBeav was on to something in saying they feel sorry for themselves and haven’t put in the effort. Tthey just don’t know how to buckle down and get key stops. That sort of thing is a mindset that a team either has or doesn’t. I think they’ll be in every game b/c they are talented, but they’ll keep getting heart-broken because they don’t give max effort, especially on defense. Robinson’s coaching is suspect, too. I think they out-talented teams early on, and now that they can’t do that, Robinson is being exposed. I’ll give him until the end of the year before going off.
You can usually tell whether Burton’s going to have a good game or not in the first five minutes. If he is dropping dimes and has his jumper going, then I say big minutes for him. But if he starts out like he did against ASU, then it’s time for Barton.
He sounds like me. Does he get paid?
And he’s correct.
I’ve lobbied for the three-guard set with Berto, Starks and Jared. And Moreland should be a role player. He’s just killing the offense when he’s in for extended periods.
And yes, Coach Rob is being exposed. But any coach who has to scrap a whole game plan and try every trick in the book when a game that should be won easily boils down to a couple possessions at the end is going to be exposed. I’ll never deny that he’s still learning the game. Hell, Coach K will always say (truthfully) that he’s still learning the game. But there’s an ocean of experience between the two. It’s like Bob Hope’s joke, “He has muscles in places where I don’t even have places.” He’ll get there.
But the team needs to help.
We can talk about all this later today. I’m really interested in the topic at hand.
No, he does not.
Darn. :)
Conner Pelton: You make a lot of nice points in your post but you lost me when you advocate for pt for McShane, he is more of a liability offensively than Moreland. Every hustle play made by McShane is offset by a turnover and/or a foul.
In my opinion the most minutes should go to Cunningham, Nelson, Starks, Collier and Brandt. The mains subs should be Moreland and Barton with limited minutes for Burton.
I like the idea of Barton driving and dishing, watch how many of Starks passes end up getting tipped or stolen when he drives.
I don’t advocate for more for McShane. I do advocate for him getting his due respect for what he’s done to bring this team together. And he is in no way as much a liability on offense as Moreland. Those shots Starks puts up that nobody likes? Those go up because Moreland clogs the lane, not letting Joe have any passing lanes, not letting Jared drive, not letting Angus post up or play high-low… and all at the expense of not having another perimeter shooter on the floor.
Kevin needs to come in only to jump start the pivot. Angus gets bogged down being tentative when he breaks for the pivot. Then he holds the ball for too long, waiting for the man who was open when he should have passed it to once again come open. Kevin doesn’t hesitate on that set. He never has. And he’s a better rebounder than Angus is. But you are correct when you think he shouldn’t try to do more than that. He doesn’t always give it up, but the one or two times he does during a game just always seem to be at precisely the wrong moment.
Jack: My response about McShane was to the blog posting by Conner. I started writing my reply before I saw your post. I agree that Moreland is a huge problem for spacing and I think that is why I am drawn to the 3 guard look. With Nelson and Starks spotting up it would create much better spacing for Collier and Brandt to operate inside.
Sorry… misread that. But my answer can be used for what he likely sees.
The time line on these responses makes me laugh. That’s what I get for trying to work and post at the same time.
any relation to Kevin Pelton?
Nope
I have been advocating more 3 guard for a while. Although ideally we would have a true SF on the team. I like the guys we are bringing in next year. With as leaky as our perimeter defense is it is nice to have Moreland in there to be an eraser but I agree he clogs the lane on O. I still think to mitigate some of Morelands weaknesses you play him with the 3 guard set. The thing that drives me the most nuts is the lack of calling timeouts to end halfs and OT’s. You got to get every point possible and you have to get the highest percentage look possible as that will lead to the highest percentage of success.
“…and Robinson was given a two-year extension thru 2015-16…”
Well, that explains a lot right there. Yet another brilliant move by bobby d.
Is Dr. Ray watching what’s going on? Does he care about OSU athletics?
no to mcshane. more collier on offense. more collier minutes. situationally use burton and moreland, don’t start them. take the green light from starks. start or play roberto significantly.
More Collier if we can get his family to more games and the team makes an effort to feed him on the post.
For those of us that are uniformed about the assistant coaches of non-AQ teams, will someone explain why Tony White would be a home run hire? I’m not saying it wouldn’t be a great hire, I’m just not seeing anything that jumps out right away about him.
We’re all speculating here since we have no idea who Shelton would like other than White.
That being said, White was an excellent LB at UCLA. But, more than that, he was an awesome leader on that team. And he has transferred those skills straight into coaching. He just gets it.
On top of that, he’s learned the game under some of the finest football minds out there. And he has massive recruiting ties all over the Southwest, from Texas to SoCal… but especially in the LA and San Diego Metro areas.
It won’t happen. How could it?
Btw… how would we like to be a Cal fan right now? On Monday they lose Tosh Lupoi. On Tuesday they lose Eric Kiesau. On Wednesday they lose Richard Solomon. Would you want to open your eyes and get out of bed today?
Verbal commits are not legallly binding and recruits are essentially free agents until they sign their lives away. But if school A invests time and money for an assistant coach to visit and recruit prospective students and the coach then jumps to school B and begins to recruit the same guys that he was paid to recruit before for A, are there not ethical or legal issues that come into play? Of course this happens all the time and of course head coaches and assistants are not indentured servants. But are there no rules at all? Sark chose the timing for getting rid of Holt et al. How does he get the right to poach from others at a time when other schools are investing heavily in R&D to acquire new talent? Does the iInterstate commerce clause apply?
I’m against non-compete clauses in general, so I would say the employers set the value of all each employee brings to their businesses. In this case, Sark is paying for everything. So Sark should be the sole beneficiary of that employee’s work.
Don’t like it?
Hire him back.
Don’t like non compete clauses either. But at what point in time does Sark become the beneficiary of the employee’s work? Could this not lead to somene working undercover for future considerations with kickbacks and future payouts? In some ways this could turn out similar to the situation with street agents. The 500k to Lupoi is as much about screwing with the Cal recruiting process as much as UW finding a new dline coach and run coordinator. Perhaps the same with Heyward. Yes, Cal and OSU could have matched offers. But any time spent renegotiating an existing contract during the recruiting push is time lost for the team with existing contracts and is intellectual information obtained from a rival purchased on the cheap by the new team. I say on the cheap because I do not think that Sark can irequire Lupoi to divulge the Cal secrets in the new 500k contract.
With the way coaches’ communications and finances are moderated within the NCAA, i would say your scenario has the likelihood of succeeding about as much as a point-shaving scheme does. Sure it can happen. But the cost to the coach involved would be a blacklisting in a profession he (or she) supposedly loves… and can make some easy change doing.
While I agree that it is unlikely that coaches would do this often, the perfect opportunity does present itself occasionally. The recruiting process is fairly regulated now, I think a legitimate argument could be made that there should be a dead period for coach hirings 1 month before signing day.
For the record, I saw the quote I think angry is talking about. Shelton says Riley called him on Monday and talked to him, told him that we were close to naming a new DB coach, and that he would really like him. I don’t think Riley can tell anyone who it is until the new coach signs, so I don’t think he told Devian anything specific. And I doubt he did anything like I imagine Fink or Sark do like “knock once for yes…” to skirt the rules.
So who knows? Maybe we end up with Herm Edwards as our DB coach.
Cleveland Wallace has been contacted by USC, and he may visit.
So if Riley has a man in mind, why doens’t he make an offer? I don’t understand why he would want to wait on that, if he does hire somebody like Sark did, at the very least it creates a “buzz” around the program, and it could solidify some committs. I don’t get it??? Is it that he wants to be nice to the other program?
Could be an NFL coach or analyst contracted through the season?
Who knows? The standard fall-back is because he’s a nice guy who will announce a poaching after signing day… which isn’t really nice since recruits will then be locked into a school they were going to for a certain coach… which we all know they shouldn’t do… but they do.
That reminds me…
How do we think Reggie Davis feels right about now? He’s only two games away from a potential ring.
Starting to feel bad about raggin on Riley. Damn conscience! But man, we deserve a break of some kind. Is this some kind of biblical thing we are going thru?
Looking good for Lawler.
The National Weather Service has declared Benton County a disaster area. A startled BDC, when awakened from his afternoon nap, responded “Sure we were 3-9 but it’s not a national disaster” JB
It’s one thing to hire someone away from the competition. It’s something else to take their recruits at crunch time, and to leave your finger prints behind. If I were Sark, I would not walk alone at night. Somewhere and sometime, someone will want to get even. Say what you want about Riley, I do not think that he would mess with another school’s recruiting process right now just to sc rew them up. And that is a good thing for Beaver fans, players and friends. The Sark throw away and overpay system may create buzz, but it is not sustainable.
To completely validate what JackBeav has been saying all along, Rivals.com now has Caleb Smith listed as a four star tight end. Did he all of a sudden do something in the past couple weeks that validated this fourth star? Or is simply because of all the attention he’s getting now and not “just an Oregon State recruit”? Typical pay site recruiting rankings.
don’t worry, when he signs with oregon state in February, he’ll be reassessed as a 3* or less.
Markus Pierce-Brewster has no stars. He is very fast and is very athletic, a poor man’s Jason Pierre Paul. He is not a project and can play now. I am not sure why OSU would need another JC de/olb. In the context of rivals/scout and their networks, it makes sense that they missed him because he really came on just this year. But in the context of his play this year, he should rate several stars. Just another example of why you should not get hung up on star ratings.
I did a 2nd revision for a basketball court that considers one way OSU could be used and takes into account realistic sight lines.
An improvement over my original?
http://beaverbyte.com
honestly? way too much going on
do one like indiana or unc
Cruised through all the sites over the last couple minutes.
Why does Blitz have a pic of Ron Meeks on there? Isn’t he interviewing with the Chargers?
Saw on the Scout forums that Stan Hasiak’s dad recently posted:
“dshasiak wrote: 99 percent chance heading to oregon st”
Is this premise based on Tony White getting hired solidifying Shelton coming to OSU? Or you truly believe that long term this will be a great hire. If its all a matter of locking down Shelton, it would be a waste, since he might not even be academically qualify. If it’s long term what HS prospects does White have under his belt as guys he got to SD. St.?? A lot more big name guys with proven recruiting records out there. Even one’s that are currently on other Pac 12 staffs.
I think it’s a great hire because he has a lot of socal connections. It’s hard to recruit to SDSU, so I wouldn’t judge him by those results.
There are rumors Riley’s going to hire an NFL guy. So, this is all speculation.
Fwiw… I just checked Blitz again. Yesterday they had Ron Meeks in the picture when their teaser was the main article. Now that it’s moved over to the secondary column, the thumbnail is a pic of Tony White. I think they’re just speculating like we are.
Don’t get too caught up in who White has been able to corral for SDSU. It’s not an easy place to close on recruits. But he dos go after a lot of talented players, and he has them all interested. If you had a decision between several BCS schools and SDSU, where would you choose to go?
What’s impressive is that he’s made inroads with a lot of major recruiting hotbeds in such a short time as a D1 mid-level coach (five years). He has really made some solid relationships with coaches, admin, players and parents from all over the Southwest, and especially in SoCal. I have to believe that comes from first playing at UCLA, second coaching high school in the area, and third recruiting then coaching and recruiting in the area.
There’s a lot to like about White as a recruiter. But better than that, he’s a great teacher. SDSU was one of the top pass defending non-BCS teams this past year under his tutelage. I know the DB’s are only one variable in a great pass defense, but they’re a big part. And I know they played a weaker schedule than a BCS team would, but the same could be said of them on someone else’s schedule… meaning they are like the talent they play against. A winning team which shuts down the pass makes for good pass-D stats.
Two additional things about White:
1. He’s a great fit with Riley and the rest of the staff.
2. He knows some of our players already because he tried to recruit some of them. In fact, the players he targeted were a lot of the same players OSU has targeted over the past couple years. If patterns hold true, then he is already evaluating much of the same talent our coaches have been evaluating for the upcoming classes… and making the necessary contacts for networking those recruits and their “people.”
Hell, many of our coaches may have met White on many of the doorsteps of several recruits over the past couple years.
Nate Iese committed to Ucla.
Cal was too late to offer… and they lost their best recruiters on both sides of the ball.
This is way too encouraging:
http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=132692700638123200
I think Tinker’s comments are thoughtful and pretty spot on. Will Bob D and Riley fumble it away?
Sports Illustrated Andy Staples on commitments and de-commitments:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andy_staples/01/20/commitment.project/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a0
References to the changes at Cal and UW, and really puts a spotlight on NCAA coaches that are difficult to respect (Sark, Kiffin, to name a few). The last line of the article, a quote from Shaq Thompson, says a lot about the state of college football and recruiting.
Tyler Hasty committed to Oregon State
Another DB, or athlete. Wonder if this singles the thought we might lose another previous verbal or if he’s a greyshirt?
He’s a cornerback, I feel this means Cleveland Wallace is probably headed to Washington.
Based on? I’d worry more about losing Shelton than Wallace.
I happen to love this commit. I’ve mentioned him before, and i think he is way underrated. We’re talking about a kid who led his team to a state championship, national recognition and got himself named to several All-American lists.
The reason schools have shied away from him is because we’ve seen it all before in his older brother when he went to UW Penitentiary. Willingham screwed with him and his family hard enough to ruin recruiting for that family for good. Sure, there was likely a back-story hopefully not involving Jerramy Stevenson that is unknown to the public. But kids are kids, and Tyler’s brother got screwed.
And the sanctimonious UW fandom blamed his father for the whole mess. The whole stupid lot of them picked on the kid for unknown reasons, and they attacked the father for speaking out about it.
And I’m sure Willingham’s minions did as well.
So… I welcome the Hastys. I think Tyler will be a star here and beyond.
And James, if you’re reading this, I loved you except when you played the Hawks. You and Dexter were pretty good back there.
Sorry for the novel. I asked the question here and a couple other places, and I got an answer I related to his brother which seemed most credible. That answer came from a friend who had talked to many coaches.
And he and I think all those coaches are friggin’ idiots.
Is he projected as a cornerback? His speed would suggest maybe kickoff gunner? I have not watched his tape (and I rarely watch those videos), I leave the crictque of his techniques up to you guys, but is he a good tackler?
I like his vitals, and the fact that he has a champion attitude you can’t have too many of those. I know the Rodgers brothers brought that winning work ethic here with them and it gave the program a shot in the arm, we need more of that in this program.
Yeah, he’s a CB. And he’s good enough for coaches to not throw to his side. And yes, he’s an excellent tackler… not a hitter and not an ankle-biter.
Article on Tyler from the Seattle Times:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/highschoolsports/2016821111_mason22.html
I like the sound of it. And just like with Mannion, I like the family/coaching context. I think, like Mannion, this will be a kid who picks things up quickly.
Good call Jack, good signing.
I think you’re right, this kid has been a winner and will be a good addition to the program. I think OSU has at least 3 legitimate CB’s in this class now if they can keep them all.
Were you not also advocating for Dallas Bruce(sp?)? What’s the word on him lately?
I think Dalis Bruce is in Hawai’i this weekend. I’ve heard he recently visited EWU, and that he will visit CU next week. (?)
I do think he’s very underrated.
Bob D – Next season’s looking up because winning teams are coming to town (Wisconsin, Oregon). “Both Rose Bowl teams are coming to Corvallis. We don’t have to get their ourselves. Our fans can enjoy other teams that do…’
http://www.osubeavers.com/ot/orange-perspective.html
To this point,embarassments on national TV haven’t helped the program so how does he figure two more will somehow help?
What’s the word on LB’s Steffon Martin and Chris Young? Any insight on these guys?
While I fail to understand the need for more OLB’s right now (given the need at DT), I am interested to see OSU get a MLB who can be an impact player – seems like a long time since anyone in the middle was a force. Can Martin be that guy? He certainly has a lot of offers. How about that Clax kid from NJ?
Maybe the recruits got to enjoy a good time with the basketball program’s win over SC. I noted in Payton’s remarks about what the basketball team needed he said (paraphrasing) ‘Recruit more talent. Get better facilities. Have a football team that goes to bowl games.”
OT -It will be interesting to see if he follows through with any kind of committed effort to help the basketball program. I don’t think his “$3M” donation ever came through did it? Hopefully, he’s interested in more than just helping Cunningham.
Angie just tweeted, that the recruiting went well, but that we may have lost one to the SEC, and Brice was visiting Ole Miss, so it sounds like him. Of course, it could be just talk to get you buy a subscription? Having said that, if we do lose Brice do we lose Noland or do we stay on him as it seemed they were a packaged deal?