The headline says it all.
In a gesture of absolute control freakdom at a newspaper in total free fall, the Oregonian has gone to their “golden goose”, Luke Heimlich, for a seventh straight day. Only this time, readers can’t comment. This has actually been the policy for several days now. If there is dissent, they lock the comments.
Kind of ironic, since the Oregonian will likely hide behind “free speech” when this goes to trial. Per reports in the comment section of my blog (from members who know the family) a lawsuit is in the offing. Even if that doesn’t happen, why would a Beaver fan ever read that site again, and why would any athlete grant an interview knowing The Oregonian will do background checks and smear them? Total free fall! By egging the golden goose, they’re simply cementing their fate.
General question for everyone – I know that GA seems to have a very good relationship with JC & the other O reporters. Does any of this give GA pause in dealing with JC and the O going forward? Sticky situation because like it or not more (positive) coverage is good for the football program in terms of recruiting and overall exposure. Now after the past week GA has to see that JC & the O will turn on him in a minute if it means more clicks and papers sold. I would be shocked if Casey has not been sharing intimate details of this nightmare with GA. If your GA how do you handle dealing with JC & the O going forward?
What a fucking mess.
Agree with you that all OSU sports should be very wary of allowing the Oregonian into the facilities. It is established after 7 days of banging the drum that they are not as interested in actually covering OSU sports. OSU sports have simply become an avenue for ad revenue.
I’d say GA, Tinkle and Rueck all need to on guard and severely limit access for the Oregonian.
More important is how Andersen and coaches of other sports view the OSU administration’s handling of this and support/non-support of coaches in complex situations like this.
They are just posting anything with Luke’s name in it with comments disabled as a policy now, even this letter to the editor:
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/06/flawed_reasoning_on_heimlich_s.html
Deadspin needs to “uncover” a policy memo that the oregonian is handing out now about silencing commenters at all costs :)
Not that great of a letter, you need to send in your post as a letter!
Agreed, that letter is a bit of a softball. They’ve probably received much harsher letters but they chose not to publish them. It’s their newspaper, they control the narrative.
I looked up Stephen Ensor – the lawyer who pointed out that the Corvallis police department screw-up, which moran didn’t report but did report a complete falsehood. Ensor appears to have extensive background in this kind of case. Has anyone contemplated a legal defense fund should this go to court?
They’ve read my article and have no interest in sharing it with the masses.
Is there a way I can contact you privately…if you remember me, I’m the father of the boy who was also molested at a young age.
Yes, on the right side there is a “contact” button.
Thanks…I sent you an email
I called them out as cowards earlier today because of the comment lockout and not responding to anything.
They can give it out, but can’t take it. Gina’s getting that way, too.
It does appear that the Oregonian has been locking-out all comments on their continuing series of hit pieces re Luke Heimlich. But I’m reluctant to tar Gina Mizell with this brush. I tweeted to Gina this afternoon about the problem, and she responded promptly as follows:
“Wasn’t aware of that until you mentioned it. After filing the story, I moved on to the next thing to write.”
“The default is to have a comments section, so that’s not typically a topic that comes up. TBH, I’ve never spent much time browsing comments.”
@ginamizell remains, in my eyes, an honest, hard-working, highly capable reporter and journalist who takes pride in her craft. I wish others at the Oregonian were more like her. She is, in many ways, the anti-Canzano. Or so it seems to me…..
If she isn’t part of the problem, she needs to become part of the solution. Let her write something that gives a better factual account of what has been happening.
She can object and stand up against the wishes of her editors, perhaps get canned, then blow the lid on the whole thing from the inside. Ignorance of the past week’s articles, events is pretty week if that is her stance. Ignorance of the comment section of the most controversial articles this spring I don’t believe either. She is laying low and staying out of it, but no way she isn’t aware.
She’s punting in her response to Silver. A better response to Silver would have been something like “that doesn’t seem right, let me ask my boss and I’ll get back to you”.
Bingo.
Her latest piece that includes Heimlich has comments closed – so she is either not paying attention or bluffing..
Did anybody catch that Egger’s edited this part of his article? Must be lots of shit going on behind the scenes at OSU. Somebody must have contacted Eggers and said the emphatic “no” that he originally posted was not accurate? Here’s the new Q&A below
• Was the decision not to play in last weekend’s Super Regional really that of Heimlich, as was announced to the public?
Heimlich recused himself from playing, saying in a statement he didn’t want to be a “distraction.” But the decision was made after strong suggestions by university officials that participation wouldn’t be in the best interest of the individual or school.
So the school hoped out loud that he wouldn’t play?
The no was quoted as coming from Casey.
And Egger deleted that response and substituted with what I cut and pasted above.
That response from Gina seems a bit gun shy to me. I think Oregonian writets definitely peruse this blog fairly regularly as Canzano has stolen about 7 or 8 story lines from Angry in just the past couple years by all indications. Angry himself will testify to this and how Canzano stories have strangely come outba day ot two later. I don’t find it that believable that O writets don’t know comments have been blocked. Canzano certainly knows they have. To me Gina is being careful to mostly follow the apparent company line while still remaining in the good graces of Oregon State’s fans. I’ll give her a oass for that beacuse shw atleast has done so with far mote credibility than any other of the O’s writers through this process.
Wanted to share one more true observation with everyone here and why Ed Ray deserves some focus as well on what has happened with the poor handling of the Luke situation. Several years ago (about 4 to 5) I read a statement from Ray that rubbed me the wrong way and as insensitive to those facing sttuglle but apparently doing everthing in their power to turn their lives around. Remember that he has served as a chair of a national committee.
The quote specifically ended with “I’d be a hanging judge.” Definitely did not like the quote when I heard it because it struck me as the kind of thing a person would say who doesn’t realize just how fortunate he is compared to the bulk of the population. To then want to ‘hang’ somebody facing a challenge that has the potential to make there life quite difficult despite their best efforts at a redeeming life just seems morally wrong to me.
I feel that way for young adults let alone an adolescent like Luke was when he did his transgressions. The fact that Ray wwnt back to his “hanging” belief system even when the situation was involving two children is just despicable when adjudication for this from Luke’s state is supposed go be all about rehabilitation. By every account Luke as been a shining example of the rehab effort being shown to be a vastly more intellectual and effectual solution that serves societies best interests, yet Ray can’t get out of hia own way and seems paralyzed by supposed PC concerns when it actually appears perhaps more than 80% of this state’s citizens support rehabilitation for juvenile offenses.
That is also why I think it is cutting this blog short to call it counterculture as well. Rehabilitation is the clear majority supported position by citizens on this unique situation. Ever since that became obvious about 4 days ago comments have routinely been blocked on the O. I feel this blog is just a bunch of Beaver supporters that want Oregon State to be its best. We just knew it was possible while Riley and some others in the athletic department and administration started coasting in regards to competing at a high level in sports. We didn’t take the airport crap as some kind of golden rule.
I congratulate Eggers on his excellently researched and thoughtful article. Luke deserves to represent OSU and play in the CWS. He has done everthing asked of him since his juvenile offense and it was adjudicated and fulfilled to the complete satisfaction of all terms. In two more months it can be permanently sealed and was only made aware because of a Corvallis PD mistake for which they had no choice but to dismiss. Then the O set out to destroy a life, stealing over million already from Luke, days before the draft, simply because the mistake by PD left a track. They have had inconsistencies and rushed to print with the intent seemingly to stop a life and stop someone from playing the next day. There was nothing thoughtful or nuanced in their mad grab for clicks but they did cause the destruction they apparently also were after.
It smells awful to most people who realize the agenda and injustice.
This is the Ed Ray article. He comes off to me as a guy who thinks he is perfect and therefore in a position to judge everyone else.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2011/04/oregon_state_ed_ray_jim_tressel.html
Since you mentioned PC concerns, just imagine if Heimlich was a racial minority member. How would Ray and Canzano deal with it then? I think their heads would explode.
Imagine if he was a piece of toast.
Did you ever consider that?
If he was a piece of toast, he’d be in a real jam
Don’t think you can just butter me up and get away with this.
Why you so sourdough? I thought you were more crusty than this.
I don’t think anyone would be jelly of his situation
Actually, contemplating you as a piece of toast — covered with strawberry jam.
Don’t think you can just eat me and get away with this.
There is no question Gina reads the comments, she has responded to many over the time she has been there. Her answer is vague enough for her to deny lying, but it really isn’t straightforward. Yup, she is following the company line, looking out for her own job, and not any kind of a truth seeker.
Her, “TBH, I’ve never spent much time browsing comments.” statement can co-exist with my own “many times”.
When one begins with “to be honest” I always perk up.
Looks like Canzano has removed the kid employing strip club from his radio show, although he doesn’t want to encourage his station to drop them altogether. Might be a good idea to follow this suggestion to let him know how you feel.
https://twitter.com/BigWillC15/status/875167327758594048
Hey angry, instead of all these CONzano links that give him more eyeballs like he wants, how about a prominent link to the superior Eggers article somewhere?
Here you be
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/363027-243259-a-look-at-some-issues-involving-luke-heimlich-
I’m wondering with Heimlich not being drafted, if he’ll ever play pro ball. If not, I say F it and go out with a bang and pitch in the CWS. Others have commented that Casey may not be much longer with everything that’s transpired over the past week. Why not? Thoughts?
Like goes undrafted….no surprise.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/06/14/oregon-state-pitcher-luke-heimlich-goes-undrafted/102868208/
^^^^Luke
The chances of a lawsuit just skyrocketed, and justifiably.
Fuck it. I say pitch him in the CWS. If the Oregonian is gonna pull all parties through the mud regardless of what he does, then you might as well shove it in the rag’s face!
The Oregonian would love that. It would let them write another batch of sanctimonious pitchfork-and-torch outrage articles pretending to give a crap about anyone but themselves.
Clicky clicky! $$$
More money to be had in a lawsuit ?
Totally effing agree and said the same thing out on the golf course today. They’re going to continue to smear LH in the media anyway so go out and shove it right back down their throat. I hope he travels with the team and pitches, but I’m getting the feeling that won’t happen….truly sad and unfortunate. If he doesn’t go and doesn’t pitch and the Beavs win the whole thing, I wouldn’t let an Oregonian hack within 100 yards of this team. The O and Canzano can go efff themselves. Oh, BTW, publishing the story brought no benefit, closure or relief to the victim or her family. They just reopened a wound that should have been left alone. Canzano is a douche bag.
Dunno – he has to be feeling pretty fragile just now. This is swirling about him and if he tries to pitch in front of that huge crowd with lots of hecklers and announcers announcing – I can’t imagine how he could do well.
Question: I know the little girl’s name cannot be made public but what about the mother? Clearly, moran knows who she is. Can she be publicly identified? Of course, that would then connect to the little girl’s name, but at this point “the mother” doesn’t seem to care or she wouldn’t have started the whole thing in the first place.
I have no idea whether or not the girl’s mom’s name can be mentioned but to what end.or purpose?..that is what I have been posting over and over….what did Canzano and the Oregonian hope to accomplish by publishing this stoey other than more traffic and revenue all at the expense of a horrible event that everyone involved gets hurt….Canzano and the Oregonian have no sense of decency. Combined with the sensationalism of their reporting and the fact Canzano’s radio program has been sponsored by the DolphinII Strip Club just makes their reporting of this story even more unconscionable….
Canzano didn’t publish the story.
I think Moran hoped to get his name in the news. Oregonian seems to have layoffs every few days. Getting your name in the national news for breaking this story is a career move for a reporter.
Oregonian probably gave it the okay because they knew it would drive traffic.
Yep.
Money, money, money.
And now that there’s blood in the water, schools are likely scrambling to find out the law concerning their players and recruits. Money’s going to come knocking on their doors soon.
:-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlHIXtDzCnY
But Casey didn’t give an update on Luke Heimlich – that paper can’t get anything right.
They got it right for themselves: If they say the magic name, there come teh clickz!
Gina just posted another repeat of her last bulletin – I think that’s 3 times. And . . . no comments allowed. Same headline – when Casey didn’t give an update – at all.
Is Casey icing the Oregonian? God I hope he is. That would make for a perfect run in the CWS, Oregon State winning games and the Oregonian can’t get any info other than AP wire reports. Fuck’em.
I think there’s more people than just the two at the Boregonian Casey is pissed off at.
A couple comments:
OSU absolutely should play Luke at the CWS. Give a huge finger to the Oregonian. Fuck you, O!
Luke etal should lawyer up and sue the fuck out of Canzano etal. There is plenty food there for a defamation suit. You say felon, when the person isnt, better get the checkbook out. And…such a suit will indicate that at least some of what was said is untrue, and help Luke’s image. Go for it.
Why did he go undrafted? Lots of athletes have shit in their past.
“Why did he go undrafted? Lots of athletes have shit in their past.”
My guess is the same optics Ed Ray is concerned with, they are concerned with.
As it stands there would be plenty of people who will only read their local rag that carries the lazy copy-paste jobs from the o’s trash.
If the news has broken after the draft, a club could make a reasonable claim that they were unaware of the situation. And/Or make a reasonable assertion that LH has been a model citizen since with hope that there is no fire storm.
Some club may still take a flier on the the top-50(?) prospect sitting in the undrafted pool knowing they fleeced their peers. Hiding said pick in the minors until this shit storm passes and real background can make it’s way to the forefront. All on the CHEAP!
Per the GT, Heimlich’s status is still up in the air…………….
When asked if Heimlich’s status moving forward remains to-be-determined, Casey said “yeah.”
http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/baseball/osu-baseball-notebook-heimlich-s-status-still-to-be-determined/article_e87cf494-b90f-5942-9126-25bc94abd146.html
So what do we know about defamation laws in Oregon? Is it fairly standard?
The way I see it, the O, Moran, Canzano (multiple times in print), the “mother,” any news outlet who cut’n’pasted the extraneous facts as truths, Canzano again (multiple times in broadcast), and the radio station on which he airs are all liable for defamation per se, false light defamation and various defamations by omission.
I’m told the O, the radio station and all news outlets who ran the story are able to mitigate their liability a little by retracting the violating statements in as prominent a place as they were first published… if those entities are served notice of said violations. Individuals are SOL.
One thing that will be important is establishing Luke’s status as a plaintiff. He would either be a private figure or a limited-purpose public figure. Ironically, because the O did not run the fluff piece on Luke, a case could be made that he is a private figure. But college baseball might be on the fence in terms of how publicized the teams actually are. Remember when we were complaining that the O had no time to mention the best team in the country? We know why that is now, but it also lends credence to the sentiment that nobody really care about college baseball.
Forgot Brad Schmidt. He may be more liable than Danny if he directed the content.
Could the Corvallis Police Dept. be sued for their incorrect application of Oregon sex offender registry laws because of the possible financial ramifications this may have caused LH?
I doubt it. But that’s one of the defamations of omission the original story and the subsequent self-righteous parade committed. Luke did not have to register within 10 days of 21st b-day because that law does not apply to him. Yes, he was cited for it. But he was guilty of nothing. Thus, it was dismissed.
By stating the former but not the latter, the O leads the reader to believe that he also failed to follow the law in that regard. So the original story did say the citation was dismissed. But it also intimated he was guilty of that violation due to ignorance. And later reports just left out his innocence of this violation altogether, saying it was his own fault for being ignorant of the law.
Benton County would only be on the hook if they altered their search process or algorithm to wrongfully include Luke and only Luke. Did they get a call from a concerned person who wasn’t his brother or ex-sis-in-law, then add him to their list negligently? Or did they just populate a general list that they populate every Monday, and he was just on it?
Either way, it’s a deficiency the department needs to rectify. There’s no reason to add to a deputy’s (and a court’s) workload with unnecessary tasks. And there are more than the obvious unintended consequences with which to deal for the cited.
Moran’s first article – I don’t plan to review it – made it sound, to me, as though Luke was trying to gt away with something by not registering. Also, the oregonian has never retracted the statement that he “failed to register.”
The O only has to retract if they are asked in writing to do so -and- if they feel they need to do so. It only mitigates their liability. It doesn’t negate it. And every action is a new tort. So a letter would have to break out each and every defamatory statement. There’s also a time limit of two to three weeks to send this letter.
I didn’t read Brenda Tracy’s article. Did she conflate child on child molestation with adult violence then apply it to Luke? Even without the false light in which she would put the individual, doesn’t she have an obligation as a health professional to not be wrong about something this serious?
Frankly, I’ve only read the original article. I’ve seen enough reports of the others to get the gist. The original had my screen covered in red ink by the time I was done reading it. I can only imagine what the others would look like.
And I’m recalling the first article wasn’t so bad in terms of being wrong here and there. It was just so stilted and contradicting. I think they came up with three different reasons he had to register at the beginning of this year, and none of them were correct. And they lead the reader to believe the extraneous facts. Other than that, I think the most damage has been done on the editorial side.
What was written so poorly and led the reader… actually led one reader straight to defamation. IIRC, it was Canzano who introduced the idea of repeatedly calling Luke a felon and that he clearly stated on radio that Luke was a repeat offender over time. That last is what is most often seen in social media now… probably because someone repeated it several times while also conflating it with adult crimes of violence.
Oh… and didn’t Canzano write a whole article about Luke sitting himself and then write in another article the next day that he thought Casey or Ray should have made that call? Someone pointed that one out somewhere in this morass.
Am I safe in saying that Danny Moran and Gina have failed to register as well? Seems they have at least as much duty to register as did Luke.
So true. Apparently you can say that about anyone. Someone should tweet that to Danny: “You have failed to register as a sex offender in Oregon.”
5 current players drafted, 2 recruits drafted but very late so they’ll be coming to OSU.
Top three guys will leave, Thompson, Rasmussen and Harrison.
Gretler should come back after getting picked in the 39th round.
Engelbreckt getting picked in the last round was nice.
Next year means a lot of guys competing for slim amounts of playing time.
But without a coach…
If Gretler comes back, the infield will be awesome.
Did Donahue get selected?
Donahue did not get drafted. I imagine gretler will move to 1st next year with the infield talent coming in plus returning guys.
Next osu head coach is in modesto
More confirmation of what drives the Oregonian today…
http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/22/the-oregonian-lays-off-more-reporters-including-its-music-critic/
We need to stop clicking. Will have to let Nemec know his recruiting pieces, however informative they might be, will not be receiving any further retweets as long as JC is at the O.
I actually like Andrew, but can’t support his employer.
And I want to put Canzano’s advertisers on notice. I will no longer not go to Portland strip clubs because they’re just stupid. I will now not go to them because they are his advertisers.
We should have sit in at said clubs to show our seriousness about our boycotts.
But then you would have to deal with me sitting there looking at stupid people part with their money. I don’t want to do that, and I tend not to be silent about things I don’t want to do.
I’m the same way at casinos.
“We need to stop clicking”
Maybe we should stop linking articles from the Oregonian, kind of an unspoken policy perhaps? I know it won’t really make a difference, but not see articles from those shitbirds might be nice. And maybe it will generate a little more traffic for the smaller local papers.
I actually turned adblock off to view Eggers articles. They’ve earned a few clicks at the PT
Any chance LH decides/is allowed to return to OSU next season, continues to rehabilitate both publicly and privately, and gets drafted after his senior season?
Not a chance in hell if Ed Ray is driving the bus. This has nothing to do with baseball now, it’s “optics” for the university. We are watching Heimlich and Casey get run over the by the PC bus. If Heimlich can deal with the shit storm, he needs to make a statement soon that he is returning for his senior season and have his lawyer ready to go. And just a note, regarding your comment. Luke is done with his JUVENILE rehabilitation, he’s a grown ass man leading a productive life according to all accounts. Nothing to rehabilitate, in fact, hopefully his conviction is removed. By early September, this may have never happened according to the law.
Wow.
That straw man is tired from running around all day. Why not give it a break and see what happens in reality?
Would the conviction have been removed, or would the juvenile record have been sealed? It’s hard to keep up with all your changing variables.
It is a diversion program and his records will be sealed as they do with a DUII program . It can be reopened if there is any issues with in a certain amount of time .
Got it.
That’s how I think juvenile records should be handled, btw. I accept that kids are different than adults. I’m now far enough removed to see the differentiation, and it’s huge. So, me being naive about the law, I imagined that past generations would also see this and, in their wisdom, make these records available to only legal personnel to use at their discretion.
Is that not common sense? I think as I get older I will see the differences in the younger generations more clearly. But by the time I find a calm wisdom, I’ll be considered a doddering old man by the generation in power. And their prevailing thought will be a less coherent wisdom.
Such is life?
Anyway, this disturbs me most on the macro level. I was shocked to see a FOIA could put a juvenile record from the State of Washington in my hands. That’s not appropriate in any way. Looking into it further, I found that Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Arizona, Michigan and Iowa are the only states that allow this. What’s wrong with those states? What’s wrong with my state? A zero-oversight policy is, by definition, a policy of anarchy.
Oh… and don’t get arrested in Idaho. Apparently every overreaching-law stereotype is the norm there.
*only ^other^ states
“Anyway, this disturbs me most on the macro level. I was shocked to see a FOIA could put a juvenile record from the State of Washington in my hands. That’s not appropriate in any way. Looking into it further, I found that Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Arizona, Michigan and Iowa are the only states that allow this. What’s wrong with those states? What’s wrong with my state? A zero-oversight policy is, by definition, a policy of anarchy.”
Look on bright side. You are protected from the dangers of pumping your own gas. That’s huge.
40 below doesn’t pump your gas for you.
If you are addressing me, I’m not changing any variables. He’s done with his rehabilitation and he can certainly petition to have his name removed for the registry. Those are facts not “variables”. If you’re addressing someone else, I apologize. These threads get kind of disjointed!
I think his return to OSU is likely. I think once everyone settles down and starts acting like adults and finally has all the proper info, the bleeding heart thing to do would be to complete that rehab. Is he finished with his degree? If not, he should be allowed to do so.
In fact, I’ll call it now.
Luke will return next year and pitch a better season, flowing with the wonderful focus on rehabilitation and the emotions of redemption… or whatever synonyms Canzano will choose at that time.
Exactly, if/when that happens, Canzano will jump on it with a series of new articles praising Luke’s rehabilitation and success as a student athlete. All of the current BS is just a setup for future grandstanding.
Once it’s confirmed the LH will be on the roster, they will start pounding the drum and I agree, it would so predictable for Canzano to praise LH now that the “additional sentence” has been served.
I’ve heard that it’s anticipated LH will get picked up as an undrafted free agent and quietly get tossed into High A somewhere. Maybe the best thing for him right now?
If you want to get the Oregonian’s attention you have to get their sponsors attention first, IMO. When the sponsors start pulling the plug by removing their radio and print adds, the oregonian will be forced to deal with the bad reporting. Also at this point, the editor of the oregonian should be the person people are providing feedback to, not JC, DM or sports editor. Move to the top and start ringing that bell instead.
More slots available for the strip joints to plug their wares.
They must be strip clubs also involved in hiring underage sex trafficking victims, in order to keep with the theme.
Fortunately, according to a 2015 Oregonian report, there are several more to choose from.
Would be curious if Stars Cabaret also advertises with that station. They’re even more involved with that stuff. I know I’ve heard their ads on other local stations, but I never listen to the station that employs JC. It’s the distant 3rd competitor in an already over saturated market in Portland.
Luke not on Perfect Game All American team.
Then they’re not being objective.
Understatement of the year.
https://twitter.com/BA_OnCampus/status/875368504362496002 Nick Madrigal on cover of cws magazine
Luke is not going to Omaha and hopes to return next year according to Eggers:
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/363283-243742-luke-heimlich-releases-statement
Overall this is probably a wise move on LH’s part. It is a very well thought out straight to the point statement. This move could save his major league baseball career really. It is just a crying shame how all this happened all the way around. I hope both victim and LH can truly move on from this and have happy productive lives. I also hope that LH’s family becomes the new owners of the Oregonian after they sue the crap out of them.
Agreed.
Luke is not going to Omaha this year, but obviously the story is far from over.
During CWS: the impact of Luke’s absence will be discussed, whether OSU wins or loses.
After CWS: a decision will need to be made regarding Luke’s just-announced intention to return to OSU and pitch next season. Would not be surprised if Pat Casey gives Ed Ray an ultimatum — let Luke come back, or both us (Luke and Pat Casey) will be leaving.
If Luke is allowed to come back next season, the story continues.
If Luke is not allowed to come back next season, the lawsuit begins.
Settle down.
I’d be shocked if Ed Ray didn’t weigh the situation and publicly announce that Luke playing next year is a decision for the team to make and that denying him access to his education is a non-starter.
He’s just a distraction right now. And it is best for him not to be around the team, because he’s a responsible teammate. It just is what it is.
Ed Ray has announced Luke is welcomed back to OSU next year, for school and baseball.
https://twitter.com/ginamizell/status/875403027858968577
Or perhaps Pat Casey delivered the ultimatum to Ed Ray earlier this week.
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2017/06/luke_heimlich_not_traveling_to.html#incart_river_index
Seems highly likely that a deal was struck in the last day or two among Pat Casey, Ed Ray, and Luke Heimlich. The deal requires Luke to skip Omaha this year, and to come back next year with Ed Ray’s blessing. The above-cited Oregonian article includes the following statement by Ed Ray, released today in the form of a “letter to the OSU community”:
“Yesterday, Luke decided that he would no longer represent the university this year as a member of the baseball team,” Ray wrote. “As such, he will not participate in the NCAA College World Series nor travel with the OSU baseball team to Omaha. I concur with this decision as to do otherwise would certainly serve as a disruption and distraction to the team due to the significant public scrutiny that this matter has attracted. As well, I am mindful of the need for providing safety for all concerned that otherwise might be at risk during times of heightened emotions.
“If Luke wishes to do so, I support him continuing his education at Oregon State and rejoining the baseball team next season.”
What deal?
He’s a distraction now. His presence would bring out the ugly in Omaha. Neither he nor his team needs or deserves to deal with that or be remembered for it. The timing sucks. But that’s the reality of the situation right now.
I’m assuming he remains on the roster.
The comments aren’t locked at the PT. Time for well thought out input from ab’s.
Joe Donolan gets it
https://www.facebook.com/JoeDonlonTV/photos/a.382435788499414.88731.138389559570706/1342260349183615/?type=3
Good read ^
Extremely well thought out commentary. Hope everybody shares his post on facebook.
Pretty sure Joe Donlan works with Canzano at KGW news station.
You shouldn’t be surprised about any statute or lack thereof in Montana and Idaho. Recent Montana legislators from places like Bloomfield, Montana, have introduced legislation (but vetoed thanks to a somewhat cerebral governor) such as outlawing yoga pants in public, disallowing Sharia law, and imprisoning women guilty of having an abortion.
If you want to be elected in Montana, you need only to campaign on 3 things. Outlaw abortion, lots of guns, and, yes, you can poison coyotes. Oh – and punch out a UK reporter.
But shooting a conservative representative = A-OK!
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baseball/cws/story/_/id/19645219/luke-heimlich-not-travel-college-world-series-oregon-state-beavers
I admit that last week I fell into the Oregonian’s trap of rushing to judgment on the Heimlich situation without all the facts or at least without the needed perspective on this. It was such a shocking story with a lot of details, how could it be disputed. The past several days have raised questions…
1) What was the motive of the “O” pushing this story? Did they have any other agenda to keep running the story day-after-day?
2) Did the “O” exploit loop-holes or cut corners to present a story in close-up detail? Did they ask the legitimate question of would they have uncovered this story without the procedural error in the R.S.O. sweep this spring?
3) Where are the contrarian voices at the O bringing any balance or other perspective? Other journalists, not from the O, have followed up with thought-provoking articles discussing ethics and punishment and rehab. And done further interviews with others involved, experts in the field of juvenile offenders and rehabilitation.
I see things differently.
I think Luke staying home from the CWS – hard though it be – is for the best. I don’t know that he would even be nearly as effective as a player with the media glare going. I hope the Beavers can put all their focus into winning game after game.
to add to that, how has O gotten away with at least 3 lies while reporting on LH? There could be more I have just stopped reading their stories
And those lies carry over into stories, such as the Espn one posted just above. While the sentence is technically true, it’s misleading. Why not point out that those reports were erroneous? From ESPN:
“He failed to re-register in Oregon this year as a sex offender, according to multiple reports, and was cited on a misdemeanor charge that was later dismissed.”
” according to multiple reports”…ie, Moron reported it once, and everyone else has copied and pasted that information, making it multiple erroneous reports. Today’s journalism at its shining best.
Too much modern “journalism” = that telephone game you played as a kid
I suggest a “no Oregonian link policy” moving forward. Maybe even delete O links in active threads if they’re not important.
Also, Ed Ray’s letter rub anyone the wrong way? Zero focus on rehabilitation success stories for one, but also mixed messages in that they’ll have a new policy in 2018 for certain crimes, yet then says Luke is welcome back to pitch. I don’t like that he called himself a “hanging judge” in an earlier article, either. Just not a fan after seeing him in action on this.
Luke’s statement was great.
Putting Luke aside, there is an obvious flaw in admissions and within the AD that could allow high risk offenders on campus. But it will take time to study the issue and implement proper policy.
From what I read, background checks on recruits aren’t standard anywhere, even the powerhouse athletic departments with huge budgets.
It would be with admissions. As I understand it, there are different tiers of risk for sexual offenders, and the OSU policy probably doesn’t address it beyond not allowing them to live in the dorms.
“As I understand it”….. maybe you just don’t. Ever consider that?
Understand that there are tiers of risk assigned to registrants?
So you’re saying there is only a monolithic structure within the law?
Jack’s right, there’s definitely different risk levels and sex offending behavior that creates a higher level of concern. Luke would likely be a low risk level based on what we know about his sex offenses. It was more opportunistic, a family member, a small child, and no force or aggression was used (from what I’ve read). The uninformed general public sees the words sex offender, and they all get lumped together. Now they think Luke is the guy hiding in bushes at 2:00 am trying to violently rape women. There’s probably hundreds of guys on OSU’s campus that people should have more concern about sexually assaulting women than they do Luke.
I don’t like it. Too…”Minority Report”.
Just hire a good coach with character and tell him not to recruit shady people. Sure, there will be some misses, but you can’t protect people from everything and still have any semblance of a life worth living. Danger is part of life.
Tell that to their insurance company.
I keep reading that Indiana has a new policy on that, and that they’re sortof the example people (like brenda tracy) think other teams should follow.
I fail to understand how you could perform background checks on every athlete you recruit. Several states seal their juvenile records for life, like California. So what does a school do? Skip California all together? Or just background check in the states where they can and give the California athletes a free pass?
I asked Brenda Tracy what she thinks would have been fair punishment for (15 year old) Luke, and I never heard back.
Are you saying that Heimlich is “high risk offender”? Everything I’ve seen says just the opposite.
No. What I’m saying is that admissions would allow one on campus, and OSU doesn’t address that contingency. That creates liability, and they need to gauge how much tolerance they have for that while still serving their mandate.
OK
Interesting article: http://www.dailyemerald.com/2017/05/23/on-top-of-losing-games-oregon-baseball-is-hemorrhaging-cash/#.WUK2Tq5wDLg.twitter
Someone sent me an email saying Phil Knight was behind the Luke thing. Haha. I wrote it off as a bunker dwelling conspiracy theorist, but maybe there’s something to it. I’m sure PK is butthurt we eliminated Oregon, etc.
Check out this email I got a few days ago.
Who what when where why how.
A media conglomerate called Condé Nast (subsidiary of Advance Publications) owns the Oregonian.
Condé Nast is also a marketing agency. Not a small one. Create/run most ad and PR campaigns for Nike. Mars Blackmon to Nike hijab. Nike may be their biggest client.
Ergo, the Oregonian’s bosses work for Phil Knight.
Advance’s owners also work “with” him. BothPK and the Newhouse family (owners of Advance) work together in non-profits such as the Aspen Institute.
Newhouses don’t play nice. On record playing dirty with PR. Good with timing. Threatened POTUS Clinton they would break Lewinsky.
Taking down Heimlich/OSU may seem small potatoes. But who would benefit?
Name one guy who loves baseball, is ruthless, Competitive, and hates the beavs
Weird.
Someone’s tinfoil hat is on too tight.
I don’t think Uncle Phil hates the Beavs. He has so many employees, family, friends, etc…. that are OSU grads.
He loves and will cheat for his ducks, do what he can to help them win, etc… But underhandedly try to sink the beavs out of spite? I doubt it.
He has to have enough perspective in life at this point to realize the beavs being one of the best teams in college baseball history didn’t hold the Ducks back. Their shitty team did.
Yeah, which is why I think that guy is a bunker dweller. But I thought it was an interesting/bizarre email.
Is the Aspen Institute a regional office for the Bilderbergers?
As much as I’m not a fan of PK, I’d need some real evidence before believing that theory.
I do love a good conspiracy. It would be funny if Oregon did this to OSU out of jealousy over their baseball success!
In that video when Casey says something like “thanks guys for not asking me those questions…really appreciate it” he’s being sarcastic, right? What a jab.
Gotta wonder if Casey may have previously asked them to avoid the subject. Yes, good jab.
He did ask them not to ask those questions after one of the SR post-games. They are all a little thick.
I wonder if SI will have someone do an article about the whole mess.
Anyone know how or where to order a copy of the Official 2017 CWS Program via link?
https://imgcollege.cbsi-store.com/2017-ncaa-mens-college-world-series-program.html
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Not sure where to post something off topic, so feel free to delete. Hunter Jarmon has been picked up by the San Diego Padres and will forego his senior year
Good for him. He was underutilized in football so might as well get going with his best sport.
Our baseball team is so stacked that one of our pro baseball prospects wasn’t able to make the team.
Espn sportscenter perpetuating the false reporting….
Only 33.9 million followers will see this. No biggie….yeesh…
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/875470264888418305
You guys should retweet my article at them. Based on the lynch mob responses, I doubt anyone would read it…
I know there is now an Oregonian embargo. FWIW, on OSU and Heimlich articles the comments are still off, but they have added an informal reader poll asking whether we think Luke should have played in the CWS. 54% say yes so far (1,300 votes).
Has it been taken down?
The poll from the Omaha newspaper, which is likely a less biased sample, shows 1200 total votes and 75% say Yes, let him play.
Just saw that McMaryion has already graduated. He could potentially become a grad transfer and have 2 years of eligibility remaining. Might be worth keeping an eye on
I’m disappointed they aren’t gonna let him play.
As more has come out about this situation I have become much more about him deserving to continue his life. I am glad that Ray (for whatever reason) has released a statement supporting his ability to come back next season.
One thing I’ve been curious about through this entire ordeal is why his high school seems to be getting a free pass. It’s ok for him to pitch his high school to a state championship and win Gatorade player of the year but not ok to play in the CWS or win All American awards? This is what led me to believe that this was a hit piece on OSU to begin with. Why no dialog on sex offenders playing on their high school team?
Not just the high school, how about the YMCA and his church? This from Eggers piece:
“In high school, Heimlich maintained a 3.76 GPA, was a member of the debate team and volunteered locally on behalf of the YMCA as well as multiple community service initiatives in association with his church youth group. “
Much of this had to take place after his case was adjudicated, right? If he was in counseling and had some sort of supervision, this seems to be another point indicating his remorse/attempt to move on productively.
D. B.! At last. Where did you hide the parachute?
Keistered it.
FWIW, here is a tweet from Jim Wilson, who has two college age daughters.
“#1 OSU moves their season record to 53-4 and 4-0 in postseason. Beavs are 43-3 (3-0 postseason) in games that Luke Heimlich did not pitch”
That tweet was before the final W vs Vandy, you can adjust the numbers accordingly.
So this is something that’s been eating at me lately about all this.
I am not in any way connected to the family and I don’t live in the area. Yet I somehow know her full name. Not being creepy I’m just stating the fact. I have no business knowing who the victim is and I never wanted to know. I wish I didn’t know. Yet somehow I do. How? The Oregonian. I 100% blame the fact I know this information from them. I would never have known this if the O hadn’t published those articles. They gave away enough key details that it indirectly gave away the victim’s identity. This shit fucking enrages me and scares me. Like sure, I know who it is, but I’m harmless and will never give away any info. But what if someone with worse intentions figures it out? The Oregonian didn’t just re-victimize the individual, they indirectly exposed her identity as well for some extra clicks. wow, I just can’t.
And, , if you don’t live in the area and you didn’t even want to know her i.d., I can only imagine that all 39,000 residents of Puyallup know it too. But here mother” says this has given her a voice.
Oh definitely. If I know the whole town does along with half the state.
Not that need to know or care really, but how did you come across her name? I never saw it
Basically just a series of deductions along with information available online. Oregonian provided the age of the victim and that she was a family member and that was enough information to identify her. If they had just said “under the age of 12” and didn’t suggest she was a family member her anonymity would have more likely been preserved. Disgusting.
Also including that identifying info–“she was only 6!” and “she was a family member–incest!” were both details that increased the salaciousness of the story. details that only benefited them, obv.
The sad part of the whole thing is how everything was so unnecesarry. If Danny Moran is still on the OSU beat by the end of the month, I would be shocked. He seems to have skated a bit as the unwitting dupe in a grand strategy of the editorial/ownership to fish for clicks and sensationalze the event into a national story.
Danny should be shut out of any further interviews with OSU sports. Gina is a close second as she stands by and allows the fiasco to continue. John Canzono should not recieve another interview on his talk show. No amount of press from them will gain what has been lost on a national scale at this point.
If Luke pitches next year, and the Oregonian is still in business, they will be in the position of digging in their heels and revisiting the entire story for additional outrage as a means of justifying the coverage of this past week. The Oregonian was wrong from the start to publish the first article when it was published. It smelled like a timed hit piece from the moment it came out. Now they have done nothing but dig further, without any retraction of the original “facts”. When compared to Eggers article, Moran should be ashamed. Has he made any comments regretting the initial articles and the misconceptions it created?
Bearing false witness is giving selected facts which create an impression that is intentionally different from the truth, incomplete information which leads to the wrong implication and therefore the wrong conclusions.
At this point, the entire staff at the Oregonian falls under this category of false witnesses to me. They must realize the damage that has been done to the entire Heimlich family as a result. Is it the goal of a journalist to destroy families and lives? What a low bar, the power of the pen indeed.
Danny can take his new found fame and go to a different market, try to gain the trust of a new set of coaches/AD, run his background checks on another school’s athletes, write in-depth stories about other superstar players in other towns, continue to misrepresent the facts when it counts the most for clicks, rinse and repeat. Go ahead and listen to those editors who say this is the way to be a successful journalist. If he does go on to great success, at what price and is it worth it? I hope he moves on asap. OSU can encourage it by shutting their doors to him and any other Oregonian beat writer to make the point clear.
As far as the World Series, it wouldn’t surprise me if Casey wins a 3rd, us against the world focus, and then walks away from it all. The best coach in OSU history by some standards is brushed aside over a PC president who isn’t willing to back him up in the biggest moments of the most historic season in college baseball history. Fear and rush to jugdment over misrepresented articles in a known fish-wrapper disguised as a local newspaper.
Go Beaves and thank you to all ABs who have been commenting throughout this whole thing. It has been a very informative progression of detective work, true journalsitic research, and a worthwhile endeavor to right a wrong. I agree that this has been ABs finest hour.
Bravo!
Yeah. That.
BeavGirl — you are not the only one who knows this information. There are probably lots of people now who know this — and more — due to The Oregonian’s reckless rush to publication. Most of those people are probably harmless. But of course that’s not good enough.
Angry’s initial post hit the nail on the head. The Oregonian was never doing this to benefit the victim, or out of concern for the victim. Seriously — how did publishing these articles help the 11-year-old victim in any way? The Oregonian’s only answer seems to be that the mother of the victim (who apparently does not have custody of the girl) is cooperating with The Oregonian. But satisfying the desire for vengeance of the victim’s mother (assuming vengeance is the woman’s main motivation) does not benefit the victim at all.
The only one who clearly benefits here is The Oregonian itself. This apparently has always been about harvesting clicks and dollars for an organization — The Oregonian — that is currently in financial distress, due to a declining print business.
For a publication desperately seeking clicks, the opportunity to expose and take down the #1 pitcher for the #1 team in the country based on sex-related charges was just too good to pass up. It’s the type of salacious, stop-the-presses story that generates LOTS of clicks and dollars. Even better when you can also turn this story into a morality play, by punishing and humbling the malefactor/villain, and converting him from a top MLB draft pick (and young millionaire) into an undrafted also-ran.
Excited by this opportunity, The Oregonian rushed to publish these articles at a time when publication could inflict maximum damage on Luke Heimlich and Oregon State. This was done not despite but BECAUSE doing so would also maximize The Oregonian’s clicks and dollars. More pain for Luke and OSU = more dollars for The Oregonian. The farther and harder the villain falls, the louder the public applauds. Inflicting maximum damage on Luke and OSU was a key part of the plan for The Oregonian.
As for the victim, it seems fair to say that she was never the Oregonian’s true focus or concern. If the victim ended up being hurt, that was a price the Oregonian was willing to pay. Harm to the victim (even foreseeable harm) seems to have been treated by the Oregonian mostly as collateral damage — not the target or goal of the Oregonian’s attack, but not important enough to abort the attack either.
Hearing The Oregonian and Canzano argue that — for them — it’s all about the victim and her welfare….that’s just sickening at this point.
I just remembered an old Edward G. Robinson movie called “Five Star Final”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Star_Final
The Plot: Pushed by his boss, the editor of a newspaper in financial distress agrees to boost circulation by publishing a “where is she now” series, revisiting a killing committed twenty years earlier by a woman who shot a man who had mistreated her badly Turns out the woman is now living an upright life, married to a decent, hard-working man, and with a daughter who is just about to marry into a prominent, wealthy family. The woman begs the editor not to run the story, pleading that it will ruin her new and productive life, and also likely ruin the life of her daughter. The editor refuses, and the woman, as a result, kills herself. The daughter goes to the editor’s office and threatens him at gunpoint. The editor ultimately denounces his boss as a hypocrite and quits the paper.
It’s a disturbing movie about the power of the press to ruin lives, and about the hypocrisy of the editors and reporters who wield this power. Mark Katches, John Canzano, and Danny Moran should watch it together, the sooner the better.
I actually listened to JCs show yesterday, hoping to hear more strip club ads, and a caller posed that question to him. Basically asked JC, to think compassionately and realize that this type of treatment and public humiliation could drive a person to suicide and JC would have that blood on his hands if it were to happen.
JC shut the guy down amd said “you can’t put that on me, i dont wish for him to kill himself. If someone did that, it would be on them, not on me” (i’m paraphrasing, its on the podcast i’m sure)
Point is, Canzano would feel guilt free if something bad like that were to happen.
Of course he would feel guilt free, he’s a sociopath. The signs are their, no conscious, lack of shame, extremely charming and generous, manipulative, huge ego, few real friends. Although we do my know if he’s violent. Of course this is just speculation, but he seems to have more signs then less. Or he’s a hugh emotionless asshole….take your pick.
Canzano can’t believe that everyone didn’t praise his righteousness. He kept having to bring in people to agree with him. I was especially disappointed in Austin Meeks because I believe he usually writes thoughtfully. I sent the ab link to him.
I heard that Nicebeav….The caller said JC would have blood on his hands and JC screamed “it’s not on me…I didn’t break the story!” Then he quickly went into backtrack mode and said it was LH fault…it struck me though how quickly he threw Danny under that bus…
It’s a tough show to listen to. He would tell anybody who would have an interesting question or point that wasn’t on topic for him “i don’t want to stray from the topic, let’s not talk about other things…” and then within a minute he’s telling his own story about somebody not washing their hands in the bathroom? There was no flow to his show. Just switching topics left and right amd cutting off callers from finishing their point
A scumbag AND a coward. Such a winning combination.
I think Danny is not a member of the Society of Professional Journalists. Their code of ethics states:
Acknowledge mistakes and correct them promptly and prominently. Explain corrections and clarifications carefully and clearly.
Helm, Sent Danny a brief email predicting that as he matures, he’ll likely regret his rush to publish the LH story.
Of course, I told him I hope it haunts him in his later years. Couldn’t resist including that comment. My Bad……..lol
One coach is noticably absent from this video…
https://twitter.com/BeaverAthletics/status/875502121835155456
Maybe he is on the road…
Angry, did your twitter acct het deleted for a period of time a year or 2 back?
Reason I ask, is because I just remembered a classic exchange you and Danny had, back on his first day on the job. I foumd his response, but your original tweet doesn’t exist.
It was basicallt you tweeting at Danny something like “Welcome to OSU Danny. Don’t suck”
To which he responded with this…
https://twitter.com/DannyJMoran/status/632333213923328000
We should have seen this all coming!!!
I wish I could retrieve your original message so we cluld screenshot it.
Haha.
I’m not sure where my tweet is, but I’m pretty sure you’re right on.
He didn’t follow your instructions.
Danny needs to find a new beat. No love from Beaver nation.
Clear motive laid out in this article:
http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/22/the-oregonian-lays-off-more-reporters-including-its-music-critic/
“We’ve made significant strides as a company. Our audience is growing and is deeply engaged with the news content we produce.”
Uh, yeah minus that one detail about locking all your articles from comments. Yah, super engaged audience there.
“Katches wrote. “We set a company record for digital revenue in March, and that momentum remains solid.”
June numbers also going quite strong I’m sure.
“As long as that momentum continues, Oregonian writers like Lizzy Acker and John Canzano will be the superstars, working up highly clickable content.”
Baaaarrrffff
Of course he would feel guilt free, he’s a sociopath. The signs are their, no conscious, lack of shame, extremely charming and generous, manipulative, huge ego, few real friends.
I don’t know about “charming”.
Anyway, Canzano will either join the mob or start peddling Herbalife shakes if his radio gig dries up.
I added that because he seems like if you just meet him, and you had something he wanted, he would over the top engaging. Kind of like the stereotype of how Mormans are, insanely happy to meet you.
Maybe charming isn’t the word……..i think if you knew what you were looking for or had interactions with sociopaths the word would be disingenuous.
BB, PreCivil war event at Bridgeport a few years ago. Daughter (Beav alum) with toddlers and husband (adopted Beaver) in tow, dressed in Beav gear are asked to be interviewed by Canzano for a TV spot. Daughter’s family from out of state so doesn’t know who he is.
After the interview ended, both daughter+Hubby both comment that Canzano is kind of an ass. I nodded my head in agreement.
Read the Memo from Klatches. Reinforced the notion he’s made the Oregonian a slutty tabloid on par with the National Enquirer.
Something I’ve been thinking about lately is the mistake made by the Corvallis police believing Luke was an Oregon resident and needed to register again. With the Oregon citation being dismissed since Luke is a resident of Washington and didn’t need to re-register, the only legal record of the crime is the sealed juvenile record in Washington. Wouldn’t that mean that if Luke was to sue for libel and slander, the criminal record would be inadmissible in court since it is a sealed record? Wouldn’t any testimony related to that sealed record, or the crime itself also be inadmissible? In that case, the Oregonian would have accused someone of a crime that, legally speaking, they would be unable to present evidence showing had occurred.
See Davis v. Alaska, a 1974 decision of the US Supreme Court, https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/415/308/.
Summary of the case:
Petitioner was convicted of grand larceny and burglary following a trial in which the trial court, on motion of the prosecution, issued a protective order prohibiting questioning Green, a key prosecution witness, concerning Green’s adjudication as a juvenile delinquent relating to a burglary and his probation status at the time of the events as to which he was to testify. The trial court’s order was based on state provisions protecting the anonymity of juvenile offenders. The Alaska Supreme Court affirmed.
Held: Petitioner was denied his right of confrontation of witnesses under the Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments. Pp. 415 U. S. 315-321.
(a) The defense was entitled to attempt to show that Green was biased because of his vulnerable status as a probationer and his concern that he might be a suspect in the burglary charged against petitioner, and limiting the cross-examination of Green precluded the defense from showing his possible bias. Pp. 415 U. S. 315-318.
(b) Petitioner’s right of confrontation is paramount to the State’s policy of protecting juvenile offenders, and any temporary embarrassment to Green by disclosure of his juvenile court record and probation status is outweighed by petitioner’s right effectively to cross-examine a witness. Pp. 415 U. S. 319-320.
499 P.2d 1025, reversed and remanded.
See also: http://crimejustice.law.nyu.edu/wp-content/uploads/Admissibility-of-the-Defendant%E2%80%99s-Criminal-Records-at-Trial.pdf
Bottom line: the WA adjudication would probably be admitted into evidence one way or another if Luke sued for libel/slander/defamation.
OT, but I no longer support Ghostery.
Looking for alternatives. Ublock Origin seems promising.
I read quickly through what they said was their recent update. It sounded like they were going to be collecting their own tracking information or something similar?
Yeah, they block trackers but now sell all your tracking info. Fuck them.
I think one of you had asked if Danny would be going to Omaha.
Answer is yes, it appears.
https://twitter.com/DannyJMoran/status/875719943882518528
Would you expect anything less from these POS’s
Well… yeah.
He has to take a victory lap and collect business cards.
His alter ego – or perhaps his pseudonym – lonniemayne – affirmed DM would be going because “he had covered the team all year.” What an understatement – How did DM get there? surely not on the team plane? OTOH, was it commercial? in which case, he could buy a ticket on that flight, I guess.
On the Oregonian’s dime. I wonder if this is his first direct contact with the team since last week’s story. Does he get access to any players or coaches? Does OSU take high-road or shut him out? I can’t imagine it being a good thing if Danny writes an article about not being allowed access to the team. He might get into the locker room, but he might not get many good quotes.
He wouldn’t write articles about not being allowed access to the team. That’s whining and not a story, especially with a fanbase who just got locked out of their comment section. They’d probably have Gina ask the questions and move Danny to cover something else. Danny is a creep…background checks = pure creepy. If Casey lets him in he’ll stonewall him just like yesterday.
Casey should let him in the locker room then thousand yard stare/one word answer his post game questions.
I personally feel frustrated by this outcome because either a vindictive party tipped Moran off or he found out because of the incompetence of the Corvallis Police (and it is incompetence, when you are playing with ones life long reputation and ability to led a productive life you better know the fucking law). People just can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that this was a child on child crime and the sex offender laws are not applied the same way.
Luke is serving a severe punishment and I don’t know if playing next year with recoup what he has lost. I understand the distraction piece, but this is about the university punting the controversy down the road (or hoping the controversy dies down by next Spring). You know The Oregonian will be in ecstasy when they can relive all of this again if LH decides to stay with the team. They will again play judge, jury and executioner when they do not have that right.
Hey Guys, long time not talk. Good luck this weekend. This whole Luke deal stinks and I feel bad for everyone. OSU, Luke and obviously the young victim. I’m a very conservative guy and usually want people’s heads for their actions. I don’t know any details about Luke’s case and perhaps its very, very bad, but I hate that an act by a 15 year old is able to define him for his whole life. On one hand, a 15 year old is old enough to know better, but on the other hand, 15 year old boys are really dumb (aka, not a fully matured brain with adult decision faculties). Hopefully this plays out as well as a crappy situation can. I feel bad for everyone involved.
Again, good luck this weekend.
“I don’t know any details about Luke’s case and perhaps its very, very bad, but I hate that an act by a 15 year old is able to define him for his whole life.”
If it were “very, very bad”, why would most of Luke’s relatives still be so supportive of him? Why would they still trust Luke around their young children? Why would they still be saying how proud they are of Luke? These are all easily verifiable facts, and these facts are inconsistent with the one-sided picture painted by The Oregonian in its click-bait hit pieces. What Luke did as a teenager was obviously wrong, but most of Luke’s relatives seem to have forgiven him and given Luke another chance to live a positive and productive life.
Could you post links to interviews with Luke’s family (past or present)? I haven’t been able to find much this week and it feels – to me – a bit like Luke on his own island with most of his support from teammates.
Thanks – in one of the many posts about this situation, I commented that Duck fans – at least in the things I read – had not jumped on this as a rivalry issue, at all; rather as a human one. Winning the whole thing would be the best revenge.
to U of Duck
Yeah I’ve got plenty of duck friends and they all view this about the same way. Kinda thought fishduck or another local blog might pick up on it and comment.
OT – Hunter Jarmon to skip senior season, pursue baseball career:
http://www.osubeavers.com/news/2017/6/15/football-hunter-jarmon-to-pursue-baseball-career.aspx?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
More opportunities for some freshmen.
If a similar situation were to arise, how should OSU treat it?
If we learned that a committed football recruit was a registered sex offender but has stayed out of trouble since, would he be allowed to enroll and play?
Sounds like Ed Ray’s new policy is intended to make that decision more clear cut, maybe? Luke’s case will remain unique because he was already here for 3 years, and no policy existed that definitively said he had to go.
When it comes to new recruits, they going to need to be much more selective, if possible, going forward.
The Pamplin site had a piece on the OSU President’s comments. I posted the following:
Ripper • 17 hours ago
The Pres can bob and weave, can’t he? But all in all, probably as good a resolution as one can hope for. Hopefully this will end the continuing exposure reminding the victim and the members of her community, and it might keep Casey around. My guess is OSU would have lost Casey if they threw Luke under the bus to satisfy the moral high ground hypocrites of the Oregonian. Maybe this will put an end to the money-making click-bait stories.
Rumor Donahue did not make the trip due to a failed drug test. The good news just keeps coming.
He didn’t fail it.
It was positive.
He positively failed it?
He did so well on it that he gets to stay home and receive a participation trophy.
Ed Ray is presenting it.
Failed drug test, does that mean drugs like weed or drugs like steroids/HGH?
Celebrating the Super regional blow-out win with a Spliff and Peter Tosh.
almond poppy brittle?
It was actually the Final Exam from his Pharmacy class that he failed, but Danny got ahold of that info and couldn’t write a proper story
Passed the test but had failed to register for it on his 21st birthday…….
Rumor is Mike Riley volunteered to play LF.
This guy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Riley_(referee)
Too old. Sorry.
He could be suspended for half of next season as well if it was a failed test. Similar to the Carrington situation…
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/01/10/ncaa-penalties-marijuana-oregon-darren-carrington/21566091/
Ahhh… because it’s the post-season, and this was an NCAA administered test.
Dumb.
Assuming we’ll see lots of Cary and Preston now? I’m excited about Preston’s potential next year.
He’s going to be fun to watch on both sides.
Cary roaming a large CF at TD Ameritrade may be a good thing. Hope he has productive at bats if it is him filling in. You may be right on more Preston Jones though.
Pretty good.
https://shiitakeweekly.blogspot.com/2017/06/john-canzano-plagiarizes-orwell-by.html
Wow. I like the “male wife” part, I don’t know why but it made me lol.
Hunter Jarmon’s tweet about going to the Padres has been deleted.
Maybe he’ll be taking Donahue’s place at the CWS
Statesman Journal is in Omaha. Click there – not oregonian.
It also appears that the Gazette Times has Bub Lundeberg there; much better writer than Horowitz. Lundeberg seems focused entirely on the Beavs, not so with Horowitz.
Lundeberg’s latest:
http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/baseball/college-world-series-giddy-beavers-soak-in-td-ameritrade-park/article_302efc57-35cc-5149-a4c2-b8e7636288b3.html
Thx – the thing I liked best in the SJ video: Gina of the oregonian, began a question and was cut off.
Moran, who else?, tweets that C-boy is suspended for violation of team rules.
So it’s not an NCAA administered drug test?
Why are we testing on our own if the NCAA is also doing it?
CSF starting pitcher against Beavers is Connor Seabold, a junior right-hander with a big mouth.
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/13/titans-connor-seabold-on-cws-foe-oregon-state-we-know-were-better-than-them/
Here’s a 3-minute “Prospect Pipeline” video, taken from behind home plate, that shows what Seabold’s got: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUGozKSz1KA
B: Sir, we have our primary target Lunch Meat locked in. It will be 22 hours at your 12.
C: Roger that. What’s our secondary target?
B: Fuck the Phillies, sir.
C: Very well. Strap in boys. We’re in it for the long haul now.
This team has enough adversity to overcome they probably didn’t need bulletin board material for the extra motivation. Thanks for giving them some anyway guy.
Nothing’s better then an athlete who talks shit about an opponent to the media and then goes out and loses as he did in the Super Regional. Let’s go ahead and see it happen again.
I couldn’t help myself. Canzano adds to the Heimlich news cycle again, defending himself against OSU fans everywhere and inserting Ducks/Beavers rivalry. I’m not even that surprised.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2017/06/canzano_heated_debate_en_route.html#incart_river_home
There’s no debate to be had.
Canzano got a hold of a story that outed an 11 year-old victim and low risk juvenile sex offender, and turned it into Sacco and Vanzetti.
End debate.
How many straw arguments can this asshole come up with? He picks up on an insignificant theme (Ducks vs.Beavers) and makes it sound like that is what the argument is all about.
Again, he also refuses to use the word “minor” when discussing LH. I noticed how there was no mention of the strip club advertising either.
And…
a. You just ignored the no Oregonian link policy we just created.
b. Gave the Oregonian money with these added clicks.
Not going to link to it but Canzano has a new column about the Heimlich situation, comments are actually open and more thoughtful than he ever has been.
Maybe they do have a legal department.
Flatten Arnhem!
He’s been told to go damage control mode….keep the heat on him. I won’t go to OregonLIve for sports anymore, still debating if the other columns are worth my time and where I can find the same info elsewhere.
Good for you, you don’t need the O.
Check the GT’s “notebook”, story up includes C-boy situation. No details, just quote from Casey today.
http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/baseball/cws-notebook-donahue-suspended-for-violation-of-team-rules/article_6a6ee134-b910-5984-a746-110f447748e7.html
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Well that didn’t take long. Anyone got a stopwatch?
Canzano just welcomed me to the studio:
https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/875848336787603460
My take is that it’s a generic deflection, I would be more impressed with JC if he had you on for 15 minutes as a radio guest and he directly answered your questions.
It says on my profile I live in CA. He can’t think I’m going to fly up there to talk to him for a half hour/get whacked.
That’s why it’s easy for him to spew that bullshit, like he’s open to all conversations. The fucker can’t even admit LH was a minor when he was charged.
They’re not even open to opening the comment section on their articles…
I always heard there was alot of whacking going on at the Dolphin Club, but I thought they meant something else…
You should post that on twitter so funny
Might be a tad inappropriate for the Beavrecruiting acct ?
Somebody else post it
My brother actually just moved to PDX a few weeks ago. When I visit him (maybe this Fall for a Beav game) I should stop by the studio. At that point, this topic will likely be long dead.
Sorry, but my wife reads O-Live for many things and the only sport she likes is track and field, so I’m not going to convince her to not read it. She checked for me and Canzano has already closed comments on his latest fuckfest. This is unreal.
She might read it, but she’s not going to post links here, right?
Just make sure to add block the fuck out of it when she reads it.
LOL, no she won’t post a link here! Yes, I use the ad blockers.
I hate Lynn Snyder.
This is interesting and hopefully something we are never discussing again, but above we were discussing the emotional trauma that both child and LH must be going through at the hands of The Oregonian….did you see today in Massachusetts that girl who sent text messages to her boyfriend encouraging him to kill himself was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. In Mass a person can be convicted “when someone causes the death of another by engaging in reckless or wanton conduct that creates a high degree of likelihood of substantial harm.”
So libel and slander of a person, falsely labeling them a felon, promoting and creating a lynch mob mentality, using your public position to work the masses up into a frenzy with known false statements….sure seems like that is reckless and wanton.
I hope that both child and LH have strong support systems and maybe The O could stop the running commentary so everyone can start to heal again. But this did strike me as interesting…
Great points. Hopefully you stick around as commentator through football season as well, because you have thoughtful responses. Saw the MA verdict and totally agree with it. That girl was a total cunt.
Thanks Angry. Stumbled onto this site in about 2011 when I was sick of Riley…your writing is compelling and I have always valued this site for its honest opinions..good and bad.
I find it interesting and infuriating that The Oregonian doesn’t seem to care how they characterize LH, but it also makes me think they there isn’t any legal risk in the language they have been using or they would have been more careful in their descriptions.
Angry, I’m somewhat nervous about the game tomorrow with Jake Thompson pitching. Most often, you express doubts as to whether he can perform in a really, really, big game and he usually does rather well.
No such comment before tomorrow’s really, really, really big game as yet. I hope that’s not a bad omen.
I wouldn’t stress about it. JT will throw the same mediocre repertoire and it will either work or it won’t. He’s certainly due for regression. Take the stock market as an example: it’s been up for almost a decade, which is unprecedented. Nothing goes up for ever, and there is always regression, if not total collapse, even in bull markets. Same with JT. Stll, as Keynes, said, markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
Pitchers, even mediocre ones, consistently have magical seasons where everything goes right. It’s just due to the nature of randomness/stats/law of averages/sample sizes.
I think they will need to score 5 tomorrow to win the game. Gut says JT will give up at least 4 given all variables.
What a beautiful non-answer. This way if he does well you can say “see I told you he’s just having one of those seasons”…. and if he does poorly you can say “see I’ve said all along he can’t pitch in pressure”
There you are. You’ve been really silent through all this. I was starting to think you were Canzano and had run away.
I see you’re still stuck on straw men. But at least you’re creating them in the context of a prediction now.
So much better than the contradictions with reality you used to create. These ones don’t start out wrong. That must make you feel good in some way.
Speaking of silence, you should try it sometime
He should try it all the time ?
Awww… the sensitive brigade is about to cry… because wurds hurt.
Sad!
What’s funny is that now we know whiskey has an inner voice so annoying that even he can’t stand it.
Beavs lose 5-3.
What are you talking about? They don’t play till tomorrow
That’s my prediction with my in-depth analysis. ;)
Jesus, put down the knife. This isn’t some Riley-led team. They are 54-4 for a reason and are laser focused. They’ve proven LH is not a distraction. 7-2 Beavs.
The only reason they might lose is if the law of averages catch up to them. The streak must end sometime. Just hope they can push it til next year.
Here’s what Vegas thinks: Beavers are $250 to make a $100…which is the biggest favorite on the board for the 4 games.
Over/under at 7.
I think we win.
With these two teams, the o/u should be somewhere around 18.
Forgot to add…we are 2.5 point underdogs to Colorado State in August.
As said a few hours ago, you don’t need the big O, Gazette Times up with another story, this on Fullerton……they don’t sound as cocky here.
http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/baseball/cws-fullerton-confident-after-surviving-long-beach/article_c00879c5-0046-5ba4-bc68-b390d1f3a189.html
Angry did you see the football team picked up a JC O lineman the other day?
USATODAY seems to be keeping up on the story….
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/baseball/2017/06/16/when-it-comes-to-heimlich-oregon-st-teammates-not-talking/102929660/
The only information I found of any interest was that “Luke could have come to Omaha if he had wanted” to. In theory, possibly. In Ed Ray’s world, no. The rest was just a regurgitation of what’s already out there with nuances missed because they are just quoting The Oregonian. To me, the story is over until next season. Canzano will probably say some more stupid shit. Moran will continue to keep his head down. I don’t think there is going to be a lawsuit. Let’s see what happens if Luke really does try to play again.
” I don’t think there is going to be a lawsuit.”
Luke can wait until after next season to decide whether or not to file a lawsuit.
“Under Oregon statute, the majority of civil actions must be filed within two years, including personal injury, defamation, fraud, and medical malpractice.” http://statelaws.findlaw.com/oregon-law/oregon-civil-statute-of-limitations-laws.html
It would probably be a good idea on Luke’s part to wait and see how things play out next season, including next year’s MLB draft, before making any decision to sue or not to sue.
That’s if he wants to maximize the monetary award from lost opportunity. But I wouldn’t hold out too much hope for a large award on the future earnings side since this was public info. But the case for libel is solid, and the emotional distress caused by the lies are fresh.
There’s a large difference between who Luke is and what he did versus who the tabloid says he is and what he did. It’s such a stark difference that even the Clackamas DA committed libel.
And the tabloid also did the victim and the Puyallup DA a huge disservice. The way in which they presented this case makes it look like they excessively charged him in order to elicit a false confession. That’s probably not the case, but that door was opened by poor reporting.
Does anyone here think Luke should be back on the team next year? Does anyone want him back? I don’t.
Luke lucked out that this didn’t come to light when he was a recruit. He would have never made it to campus then. But now with years past a lot of people are more forgiving. I was ok with him sitting out the rest of the season since he shouldn’t have been on the team to begin with. Also ok with him returning next year since he has seemingly stayed out of trouble.
You can’t say he wouldn’t have made it somewhere if this was known. Super religious types love these types of stories and make a show of their disingenuous forgiveness.
I would allow Luke near my children were they young again. Pat Robertson or Jimmy Swaggart would get an earful or more from me if they so much as looked at my children… at any age.
He should have been on the team and in MLB.
Served the punishment. What are you not understanding?
Why?
He should, I do.
I will not link, but now The Oregonian has posted a prominent quarter page “open letter” to the editor from a victim of sexual molestation (who has been a rabid Beav baseball fan since 2007) who is upset with LH AND the university for not showing remorse.
Sorry to be cynical, but of course The Oregonian did this! Also, no other letters to the editor today regarding LH. I give up, let’s just burn all minors who commit crimes at the stake.
Luke has shown remorse. What has the university done that needs remorse?
The O outed an 11 year-old victim. Do they show remorse for that?
THERE IS A GAME TODAY, STARTING AT NOON PACIFIC.
Forecast is cloudy, 80 degrees with humidity in the 50’s.
I assume angry will put up a game thread near start time.
If you want to learn what D1 thinks of the teams at Omaha, they’ve got a piece up…..and it isn’t behind their paywall!
They say the Fullerton catcher can be run upon. He has thrown out 29%, while Adley has thrown out 36%. Given the level of competition, but more importantly, the speed of the two teams, this seems an area to watch, advantage OSU!
https://d1baseball.com/college-world-series/2017-college-world-series-breakdown/
Yes, I have one scheduled for near game time. It’s pretty lame. Feel free to add to it.