Was I in a coma? Am I Rip Van Winkle and it's actually April 1st?! Gentlemen, give me an answer that makes sense, because I woke up today, read the Oregonian, and saw an article that had the proper nouns Keith Pankey and NFL in the same sentence! It was written by Paul Buker, a "real" journalist!
So answer my question please, how does this go to print!?
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindbeaversbeat/2010/11/oregon_state_outside_linebacke_1.html
This kind of crap is why the Beavers are who we think they are. Great, our team has a hard worker (with delusions of grandeur) who can't tackle. Fantastic. Paul, how about writing an article once Pankey learns how to tackle? Pankey, the closest you'll get to the NFL is creating yourself in Madden 2011.
I'm sorry, but I cannot stomach the worst defensive player on the team receiving "feel good story" pub. Bottom line. Write a real article, Puker.
I don’t think it is fair for you to blast Pankey. He has given it his all to come back from surgery and seems to be one of the guys that leaves it all on the field. You can’t ask much more from a kid. You can’t blame him for not being a NFL prospect. Your angst should lie with Riley for not recruiting better or for not playing more talented younger guys but when it comes to Pankey himself I don’t think you can really bash the kid.
Once a player suits up, he’s a cog in a team that plays on national TV for big stakes, and is therefore open to criticism. He is not a kid; he is over 18 and by law a man.
When did I blame him for not being an NFL prospect? I blamed Buker for writing that, and then called out Pankey for being delusional enough to believe it. “A kid can dream!”…sure. And I can make fun of that dream when it’s so ridiculously off base.
fair enough… I guess you aren’t really bashing Pankey so much as Buker. I just feel bad for him because you can tell he has given a lot. I am more mad at Riley and staff for not having enough depth there. Although I think the depth at LB will improve.
When Akuna, Welch, and Doctor are juniors/seniors they’ll be light years ahead of the current crop.
100% agree with Angry on this one. Pankey is maybe THE weakest starter on the entire team. It’s a close race between Pankey, Hardin, Hekker, and three offensive lineman, but in my opinion he wins. I’ve never seen an OSU LB whiff on more tackles. The flailing arm tackle has become his signature move. This guy is a prime example of Riley’s “stick with ’em no matter what attitude.” Pankey has been below average for three seasons. I’ll be very glad when he’s gone.
Another comment about that article. Read this quote from Pankey. “I’m proud of the way we’ve been playing, and the way we’ve been practicing,’’ said Pankey. “I think we’re finally starting to understand how good we can be. And we’re certainly not perfect.”
This drips of Riley and his feel good, keep fighting the good fight, BS message. How do you feel proud of the year the defense has had? Someone explain that??? PLEASE!!
I know, that quote is ridiculous, but that’s trickle down from the head man.
The worst thing about Pankey is he’ll wrack up ten tackles 10 yards down field and act as if it’s a good game, and the funnies thing about Pankey is he’ll jump on the pile after someone elses sack or tackle for a loss.
I have made that observation many times during games. Watch any pile late or a downfield tackle and Pankey is always arriving second or third to get a piece of the stat.
Gonna ask a really stupid question here…can someone find or send me a video clip of the classic “Pankey flailing”? I don’t really know what “flailing” looks like- grabbing for a guy and missing?
Also, it is pretty funny watching Pankey jump on top of the pile. A few are bizarre enough that an uptight ref might call a personal foul for unnecessary roughness someday.
IMO. Oregon Live writes pieces like this because they know it will create controversy. Controversy brings more traffic and get’s them more advertisement impressions. They could care less about being accurate; they want people to refresh the page constantly while they yell at each other in the comment sections.
Essentially they’re just “trolling” Beaver fans. Canzano has perfected this approach.
Enough already. We are what we are.
Blame Buker’s editor for headlining the story with “Paying Off” as if how Pankey performs is more than what it is. That anyone thinks a pace of 30 tackles for a LB in one season is paying off is silly.
Blame the people who ask Pankey if he wants to play in the NFL. They could ask anyone on the street the same question, and it would be as valid as if they asked him. I read the story for what he says. He doesn’t think he has a future as a player on the next level, and he answers the question correctly.
We’re at the point where we should just be resigned to the fact that the current defense is what it is. They can still have a good game or more in them, but how many of us really expect it given their tendencies?
I’m not saying that we can’t target a game’s worth of poor play or individual plays to draw our ire. I’m saying we shouldn’t be upset when we see what we all expect to see.
A couple years down the road, we’ll have a defense which allows us to put this year(and the last couple years) behind us. I know it’s hard to watch this year particularly, because we all hope against hope that somebody figures it out. but who really expects it?
It’s obvious that we’re not a reloading team. We’re a rebuilding team right now. The recruiting has been good enough to suggest that we’ll be a reloading team at most positions except O-line in a couple years. But we’re in limbo and hating it at the moment.
Life will get better soon. But the realistic timetable for ‘soon’ does not include this year. You’re doing yourself a disservice if you’re getting any more upset than you were after the Louisville game. Chalk this year up to pathetic planning, and slide on in to the general malaise that is our fandom at the moment. You don’t have to be the gleeful idiot some are when they see someone get a sack or interception when we’re three scores down with four minutes remaining in a game.
But we don’t have to be a wounded Olander either. This team is what it is, and they need to learn for themselves that all the pretty talk and undeserved praise will never insulate them from losing in the real world.
I think Pankey understands this as a person and deals with it well in his personal life. Why it has never translated to his on-field performance is a little bit of a mystery, but not unexpected given his actual talent.
There are fans out there who are fans of the team but not good football. It’s annoying, but we need these fans to keep working through their own development as well. It seems they didn’t know what they were watching when we had good teams. So I’m not going to boil my blood when it’s as obvious in pieces which coddle their sensibilities. Some of them will wake from their ignorance when they read namby-pamby write-ups like this. Most will not.
I wouldn’t mind seeing more of these pieces. Even the most ignorant of fans has to have a tolerance for feeling good about losing. Keep playing to the masses like they’re morons, and even morons will stop and say, “HEY! STOP INSULTING ME!”
“A couple years down the road, we’ll have a defense which allows us to put this year(and the last couple years) behind us. I know it’s hard to watch this year particularly, because we all hope against hope that somebody figures it out. but who really expects it?”
The problem I see JackBeav is we are in this boat because of bad recruiting and I don’t see this year helping at all. Question is, will we really be better a couple years down the road? Based on the last 2 games who in their right mind would want to go to OSU…. unless you are a walk-on.
“There are fans out there who are fans of the team but not good football. ”
Posts like this are why I appreciate this site so much…
I was trying to say those fans seem to think that you can’t be a fan of both unless they happen to coincide.
I think the Aints fans who wore bags on their heads in the 70’s were all there for the Super Bowl last year. They were serious about wanting to see their team play better, and they were probably the most appreciative of those who saw them do so. If any of those Aints fans complained about not making the playoffs or winning the SB any time after they started having moderate success, I don’t think other Saints fans tried to remind them of their losing years and argued the whole ‘there but for the grace of (your imaginary sky deity here) go we’ fallacy.
Or maybe they have moron fans too. I don’t know.
With James and Quizz next year we should be much more able to be in position to try to grab the Pac-12 title.
That said, this year has been too many wasted chances. With any total team sense of purpose we would have gotten the UCLA win pretty easily. You just can’t get those chances back. Saying next year every year is tiresome.
I’ll take a pagefrom the ’28 years’ crowd and say… it could be worse. At least it takes eight games to dash all hope instead of one. The cupboard is not bare. It’s just that what’s on the stove is too salty… and didn’t sound good to start with.
I just want our program to take a look at the ingredients they’re using and delve into the youth a little more. Just sprinkling sugar into the mix doesn’t make the salty go away. Clean out the pots and start anew next spring.
Every position should be up for grabs. If past performance were a factor, then those who play now should get thrown to the side more readily than not.
I’m one who believes Sean Mannion will give the world a run for its money before he’s done at OSU. So I have no real loyalty to Katz, Vaz or Lomax if they can’t hold off his charge. Katz has the decided advantage in this situation, and will likely be the best QB next year. But everyone deserves the chance to prove that feeling wrong.
That’s one of my main concerns next spring. Guys like Andrews and Enger will be ready. Do they get a fair shot to win a job? Seniority seems to rule with this staff.
I agree we need more real competition at every position. Not a “competition” were the guy with seniority always wins. Also if we make a bowl game don’t reward seniors for it… develop youth.
Ean, I think it is 100% fair to criticize Pankey. I actually hate that people praise him for working so hard to come back this year. His return this year was downright selfish. He should have taken a redshirt this year. There is no way his speed or leg strength is equal to what it was last year. For a subpar player to return weaker and slower is inexcusable. This staff didn’t have the heart to bench him for his senior year, that is exactly what they should have done. Cowardice by the coaches and selfishness by a player.
This is fair. I’ve never heard of an achilles rupture taking eight or nine months to rehab… in the NBA. I don’t know why even the best kinesiology department would tell a player that he would be performing at his highest level after that period.
Then again, maybe they were just being mean to the jocks.
I’m glad he didn’t redshirt this year. It would just lead to him still being on the team next year. Please use your eligibility and continue to your next phase in life. I guarantee it won’t be football. Perhaps the UFL may be interested. I’m sure they don’t scout many college players.
One more thing. How do we keep Hardin off the field next year?
Gazette Times, Oregonian, maybe even Portland Tribune…I mean they all seemed too late to the show on how bad the defense is and then when they shut down Cal (who was using a QB who did not even want to be out there), it was like season saved, turnaround in place. UCLA showed once again that no real progress had been made. I guess I am banging my head against the wall…I want NYC journalism and that is not a realistic expectation. Nice guys apparently do get a pass.
Rumor is there is a strong chance College Gameday will be in Corvallis for the Civil War. Finally!! :)
Angry,
Where would be the best place to position Herbie and Lee Corso to best promote Oregon State? I kinda think in front of Weatherford or the MU would be cool. I don’t really like it when they go inside stadiums though. In front of Reser at Parker Plaza might be OK too.
Oh God…Gameday in Corvallis but for the wrong reasons. That’s even more shame. This has been a rough year. At least I have my health!
You may lose your health after this poor showing.
How about at the edge of the practice field with the fans in the parking lot in front of the Valley Football Center and having some views of the VFC and the 2nd level of the new side. That may give a little more room and be the better view. Would be kinda like the angle Oregon uses but the camera would be more to the right and the view slightly to the left while Oregon’s view is done slightly to the right.
I think in respect to the Oregonian “Progressivebeav” has the answer. They are just trying to come up with controversial angles to get more hits. I think most of the contributors on this site ( excluding myself ) are in the top 1% of fans in knowledge of the game. How many average beaver fans know who the possible recruits are this next year or after. They know the defense sucks, but not really sure who the wins the crappiest player of the game. The Oregonian caters to the 99% ( excluding myself ).
I think the barometer here is hard work. If you work hard, you play. If you aren’t as good a player as a team mate, but work harder, you start.
In today’s GT, Cliff calls Pankey a “Player to Watch” who will have to play the run, the QB run, and the short pass, and he references his strong season with statistics that seem pedestrian.