A discussion with Hank Waddles of GoMightyCard. Questions by the readers of AngryBeavs. Check Hank’s site tomorrow for my responses to his questions.
If a Tree scores a touchdown but no one’s around to see it, does it still count?
I see what you did here. I’ve got a couple things to say about this. It’s interesting that the Tree nickname has been embraced by the University and the fanbase over the past decade or so, because when I was a student at Stanford thirty years ago, you would never hear a Stanford team referred to as the Trees except by opposing fans making fun of us. As a result, it’s not something I’ve gotten used to. The other part of the question, though, has to do with attendance It’s possible that any Stanford touchdowns scored on Saturday night will be seen by fewer Stanford fans than any Cardinal touchdown in the past decade. With Stanford’s typical poor attendance compounded by a stretch of four losses in five games, a lack of a star player to draw fans, and a late start, the crowd will likely be embarrassingly small even by Stanford standards. It’s a shame, because it’s Senior Night, and this group of departing seniors deserves a big crowd. Sadly, they won’t get it. And when you then consider that the game has been relegated to the Larry Scott Network, this will probably be the least-watched Stanford game in the David Shaw Era.
What’s wrong with Bryce Love? He was in the pre season Heisman talk, but hasn’t done anything this year. Do you expect him to be pac12 player of the week like every other RB that’s played Oregon State?
Bryce Love has obviously been a great player, one of the best ever to play for Stanford. He’s everything that’s right about college football, but this has been a lost season for him. He looked like his usual self when he ran for 136 yards in Week 2 against USC, but he took a blow to the head on his last carry that afternoon and missed the next game. He returned to have decent games against Oregon and Notre Dame, but then he was injured again. He was pulled down from behind on a meaningless 3rd and long play near the end of the loss to the Irish, and he suffered another sprained ankle. He sat out the next week, and he hasn’t been fully healthy since then. Probably the bigger reason for the decline in his numbers has been the health of the offensive line. This line was projected to be a strength, with four of five starters returning from a unit that had cleared the way for Love’s should’ve-won-the-Heisman season. The expected starting five has only been on the field together in two games, and even those players who haven’t missed time still haven’t looked healthy. Stanford is 11th in the conference in rushing yardage, leading only Washington State, who obviously doesn’t really try to run. Stanford’s success has been built on a dominant running game, so this decline has been shocking, to say the least.
It may be worth discussing the effect of the new Redshirt Rule. Has Shaw indicated his plans, and does it benefit any one type of school over another? Are there any (RS) players who will now get playing time? If so, what does he expect of them?
David Shaw has been talking about this new rule since Media Day, and he spoke about it again this week. He loves it. I really don’t see a downside to the rule. It could be that Alabama will essentially field a redshirt team when they play their annual November cupcake game, but even that isn’t really a bad thing. Shaw has mentioned two specific things that he likes about the rule. First, he says there are times when the coaches might feel like a freshman is ready to play, but then when he gets on the field it turns out he isn’t. When that happens now, they can pull him back and nothing will have been lost. On the other hand, he says there are often times when freshmen clearly aren’t ready in September, but after spending the fall acclimating and learning, they’re ready to contribute in November. He cited sophomore cornerback Paulson Adebo as an example. He was ready by the end of the season, but the coaches chose not to play him and burn his redshirt. The best example of that from this year has been Andre Fox, a pass-rushing defensive lineman who’s been added to the mix late in the season.
The Stanford D and O line have been less than dominant. What has changed?
I discussed the offensive line above, but the defensive line has also been a major concern and the subject of lots of conversation among fans. The biggest problem is that there is no Solomon Thomas or Harrison Phillips. When the anchor of your defensive line is essentially unblockable, it obviously makes everyone else on the line that much better, and there’s no one remotely like that this season. The recruiting at the position has been strong for the past three years, but it’s rare that youngsters make much of an impact in the trenches. I believe the line will be a strength again as early as next year and certainly in 2020, but right now the rotation is thin and the players are young.
Who’s a better coach: Harbaugh or Shaw?
Here’s another popular topic. My standard answer is this: Jim Harbaugh was probably the only person in America who could’ve arrived at Stanford when he did and turned the program around. Harbaugh is a force of nature. David Shaw, however, was the perfect person to step into that spot and continue building on that success. It was Shaw who took the team to three Rose Bowls and carved out a place for Stanford in the college football landscape. But when a team finds success like that, expectations increase, so it shouldn’t be a surprise that this mediocre season has brought calls for a change. Shaw is seen as stubborn and conservative, and there’s a growing number of fans who are critical of him whether the team wins or loses. Last week I even saw #FireShaw bouncing around on Twitter. Personally, I’m a huge Shaw supporter — some have called me a Shaw apologist — and can’t imagine anyone else I’d want leading this program.
Stanford have given up more passing yards than any other team in the Pac-12 this year. OSU’s pass game has come alive. OSU also has a couple great running backs. How will they fare defensively and why?
Again, the roots of Stanford’s problems defending the pass lie in the defensive line. The defensive secondary is the strength of the defense. Even with the difficulty of replacing Quenton Meeks and Justin Reid, who both left a year of eligibility on the table and have moved on to success as rookies in the NFL, there’s still a considerable amount of talent back there. Adebo, discussed above, has the potential to be the best cornerback Stanford has produced since Richard Sherman, and defensive backs coach Duane Akina, who coached two different Thorpe Award winners at Texas, has said that Adebo could be one of the best he’s ever had. Even so, injuries have hit there as well. Alijah Holder is talented, but he he’s still recovering from a knee injury that ended last season, and he doesn’t yet have the burst that he had before that setback. But as I said, the problem lies up front. The Cardinal simply can’t get consistent – or sometimes even any – pressure on the quarterback with a standard three- or four-man rush. As good as the secondary might be, they can’t cover quality receivers for long periods, so they’ve given up yardage. My preference would be for more blitzing, seeing as the problem can’t worse than it is. If they can’t defend the pass when dropping seven or eight into coverage, they might as well rush five or six guys at every opportunity, if only to see if they get a different result.
KJ Costello has thrown 9 picks so far — has there been a specific reason for so many interceptions?
K.J. Costello is a gunslinger. You’ll immediately recognize that he doesn’t fit the standard mold of the robotic Stanford quarterback. He celebrates with fist pumps and chest bumps when he throws touchdowns and gesticulates wildly when forced off the field after a third down incompletion. All that emotion makes him a natural leader, and that, as much as his ability, forced the coaches to make a change last season when Keller Chryst was struggling. The entire offense seemed more alive when Costello was in the huddle. All that being said, he sometimes makes bad choices, and some of those bad decisions have led to those nine interceptions and a handful of other near interceptions. One thing you’ll notice is that he fearlessly throws to receivers who are covered, based primarily on the idea that Stanford’s big, tall receivers are never really covered. If Kaden Smith, for example, is blanketed by a linebacker, he’s actually still open because he’s bigger and stronger and faster than the guy who’s covering him. Costello will still throw to covered receivers because he believes they’ll make the play for him. This usually works out, but sometimes it doesn’t. The other thing going on here is that he’s still pretty inexperienced, with just more than a season under his belt as the starter. Check back next year. He’s going to be much, much better than he already is.
What do you see as the outcome?
It’s hard to have expectations for this Stanford team from one week to the next because it lacks a clear identity. In the past, we’ve always known what we would see from the Cardinal, but the questions were what we would see from the opponent and how opposing coaches would approach what Stanford does best. With the Stanford running game in question, it’s never clear what will happen. Some weeks the plan is to continue with the run even when it isn’t having success, but against Washington State the game plan was completely different. The running game was abandoned in favor of the pass. (Most fans would like to see that every week.) While fans and the media always look ahead and ask what the rest of the season might bring and how high or low expectations should me, Coach Shaw made it clear this week what his expectations are. When asked about a potential bowl game, he explained that the bowl game was completely out of his control. His only goal for the season was to win the game on Saturday. For that reason, and because this is the final home game for the Cardinal, I expect the team to be ready to play. I don’t remember a Stanford team being so hard hit by injuries, but I still think they’re healthy enough to get this win. Look for Costello to have a nice game. It’s a shame that J.J. Arcega-Whiteside won’t be able to play (sprained ankle last week), because he’s the best receiver Stanford has seen in quite a while, but Costello will have enough targets to get to 300 yards passing with two or three touchdowns. I’m not sure what to expect from the running game, because Love is still not fully healthy and backup Trevor Speights seems unlikely to play. The defense is still a question mark, but I think they’ll be able to get enough stops to give Stanford a victory. Let’s say Stanford 31, Oregon State 21.
“Larry Scott Network.” Clever. Your guest has the Beavs covering the 24 point spread and so do I.
What’s interesting is we had the scores one point apart in our predictions. In my prediction for his site, I have 30-20, and he has 31-21. We didn’t discuss it beforehand at all.
So you both have the Beavs scoring 3 TDs, you just know our kicker better
So two TDs, two PATs and two FGs don’t add up?
Given the low-energy vibe in the stadium that Hank expects I think it may be even closer. 28-24 Stanford. Stanford has a habit of looking past the Beavs to begin with (just look at the last two games in the series, which could have been and should have been, respectively, Beav wins) so this game may be the rare occasion this year where OSU isn’t beleaguered from the get-go.
I always appreciate this annual discussion with Hank, and kudos to him for encouraging donations to buy books for his students. If a similar exchange is done with fishduck it will be interesting to see if their rep can compare in terms of factual, level headed resposes.
Beavs by 4, based primarily on Hank’s assessment of the Stanford D. If they cannot pressure Luton I’m betting our WR’s can get free; couple that with play calling which utilizes JJ and AP and 30+ points isn’t out of reach. Beavs D has shown some good quarters so far, if they can muster 3 1/2 (and pick up an int or two) this week Tree will fall.
That’s not crazy. I can see OSU winning this one after reading Hank’s write up.
OT: Hey WSN, this sounds s lot like Mazzy Star, maybe too much(?), or you might enjoy. Dum Dum Girls:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sZdbNMDH8hc
Wow, what a rip off.
First I heard it swore it was Mazuuzy Star…
So… Go Beavs!
Beat the Indians!
Sorry Beavs, Lucy pulls +3 turnover ratio and the game out from under the Beavs.
Tree 37 – Beavs 24
OT: In Soccer, Cal beat Stanford on the road tonight. OSU beats UW tomorrow, Pac 12 champs
OT: How is Utah supposed to be this year in MBB? They are playing at The Barn this Monday and a friend gave us his tickets.
Middle of the Pac per the preseason poll. They’ve won 20 games the past 5 years and always seem to out perform expectations. Should be a good game.
Thx. Pretty much what I figured. Larry K is a good coach. Should be an interesting non conference tilt.
Womens open tonight at Gill.
It’s basically elite 8 minimum this year. Even if they lose a player to injury, the depth is there to go a long way. Outside of ranked opponents, the team should be scoring around 100 points a game in the non conf.
It’ll be curious to see which starter from last year comes off the bench this year.
Tudor. Cat Two Door.
She’s my favorite player on this year’s squad
anybody go to the women’s bb exhibition last week?
Curious how Slocum looked running point? Sounds like she played a little out of control?
Also, Aquino didn’t play, correct? Have there been any media Q&A about her availability this year? Seems like it would be such a necessary question to ask.
“Hey coach, about that top 5 Post recruit you got in this year’s class, is she going to play this year?”
“…Andrea Aquino (6-9), did not play in the exhibition game. Rueck said Wednesday she is “out” and there is no time table for her return.”
https://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/basketball/osu-women-s-basketball-beavers-versatility-could-lead-to-plenty/article_f8308609-d964-5fae-a912-3bb4c75dfab6.html
on my way to Gill right now. Expect I will give a summary when I get home.
Angry’s responses to Hank are now posted:
https://www.gomightycard.com/2018/11/blogging-with-the-enemy-oregon-state-beavers.html
I know this will come across as shameless brown-nosing, but we have a thoughtful, realistic, critical- thinking leader at the helm of this blog.
Kiss ass.
That’s so nice!
*Group hug*
“In the email Dawkins sent to his business partner Munish Sood, he detailed payment plans for players at Alabama, Arizona, Cincinnati, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Miami, Mississippi State, Oregon, USC and Xavier, some of which were to begin in September 2017.”
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25210341/ncaa-gets-approval-investigate-schools-college-basketball-corruption-case
If you think Altman and UO are squeaky clean I have a bridge you might be interested in.
Of course Nike and Oregon are dirty. The only question is….did Altman know about this scheme. The answer is….hiw could he not know.
He knows enough to be gone when Stubbs is running his operations on campus. Then, when a PSA commits, he knows enough to make it very clear that Stubbs was the person responsible for recruiting, and that he (Altman) was nowhere near the campus, the PSA or a phone while the whole process unfolded.
I think Altman is dirty because he’s willing to play along with what he thinks is plausible deniability… in your face for no real reason at the time… at a time you should be trumpeting the biggest recruiting win your program has ever had… unless you know the Feds are sniffing around.
41-17 Furd :/
Livestream for the gals:
https://pac-12.com/live/oregon-state-university
Kat a 3 before 2 minutes into the game
Slocum will be a huge difference maker. I was in Lexington for the Louisville game and the biggest difference was Louisville foot speed. Slocum is foot speed is comparable and you can see why she was so successful at Maryland
The whole team looks faster. I know she’s missed some gimmies but Grymek looks 100% better. Playing with a lot of confidence.
just left game and think Slocum is very, very good. She will create many perimeter and fast break oops for her teammates. I watched Aquino in warm-ups and she is silky smooth. It will be nice to see her play once she’s cleared. One concern could be the lack of a consistent interior game. Although grymek has improved, she’s nowhere close to gulich talent. This team will be a better up tempo team because of Slocum. .beavers didn’t shoot very well tonight but certainly enough to win. This team has depth and talent..
Cal poly was a pretty decent team and actually had a former duck player on the team that didn’t get a sniff of PT. So cal poly had some pretty decent talent.
First game of the season so hard to tell but this team has the talent to be very good. We will have to wait and see how they develop as the season goes.
Appreciate the in person perspective. Thoughts on the new video board and lighting?
We didn’t get to the game until tip, good crowd especially for first game, although they are ranked so there is that and way better than many men’s games (even conference games). Video board was nice addition.
Big lull in scoring after tye half but Beavs are so deep, how many players were in double digit scoring? Love Slocums energy, and she can distribute but she does play out of control at times. Mustangs had a couple of good players but definitely not the same level as beavs. They were more aggressive after the half refs werent calling much Scotty bent one refs ear for a bit. Beavs able to adjust and cruise in with bench players last 2 minutes.
All in all a good start, look forward to seeing how they put together the rotations.
the new video screen was pretty awesome. I found myself watching it occasionally but we had center court seats which ate great so…..new lighting….meh. Gill is just so old that there’s only so many cosmetic things you can do to it. That said, it’s still a decent arena to watch a game.
I would be interested to learn what’s going on with Aquino. Academics? She suits up and warms up but doesn’t play? Why the mystery? Just say what it is and move on.
No, it’s not academics. It is health-related but due to privacy laws, they can’t disclose the type of health issue. I’ve been told by a very reliable source what the health issue is but given she was out there in warm ups was a little confusing and makes me curious about what I was told.
Oh yeah, the lighting was great improvement, seemed brighter they removed the drop pendant style lights and added light rack/bars with multiple lights. Also we hadn’t been to gill since the sound system upgrades…huge improvement over the previous mush sound.
They pretty much play the whole game on the video display, although I have to admit I watch the game and only glance at video on replays, but the new boards are nicer than the previous two, which are now just for stats. It looks great though. I love Gill though. If they could improve concessions and they front entry I think it would be pretty close to perfect.
PHIL STEELE REPORT:
(#106 Oregon State Beavers at #66 Stanford Cardinal, 11/10/2018)
Stanford has won 8 in a row in the series. Last year’s game saw Oregon State playing inspired football for the interim HC and Bryce Love missed the game with injury and the Cardinal needed a 3-yd TD pass with :20 left to just get past the Beavers, 15-14. Last time here Stanford led 23-7 into the 4Q in a 26-15 home win (-16). This is Stanford’s final home game and they are off 2 disappointing losses to Washington State & Washington (by a combined 5 pts) and have 2 road games on deck to close out the season. Stanford has not been their usual selves this season as they have lost 4 of their last 5 games and have been without RB Love for parts of the season (93 rush ypg). TO’s have also hurt the Cardinal, in their 4 losses this season they are -9 in TO’s. Oregon State won their first Pac-12 game in nearly 2 years two weeks ago when they rallied from 31-3, to win 41-34 at Colorado in OT. The Beaver defense gives up 544 ypg & 44 ppg in Pac-12 play this season (#121). Stanford’s top WR Arcega-Whiteside was injured last week and is out. The Cardinal have not won a game by more than 21 all year and the Beavers keep fighting each week.
STANFORD 44 OREGON STATE 27
POSITION BY POSITION EDGES:
WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL
Oregon State QB/WR vs Stanford DB’s: STAN +0.60
Oregon State RB’s vs Stanford LB’s: STAN +0.88
Oregon State OL vs Stanford DL: STAN +1.30
WHEN STANFORD HAS THE BALL
Oregon State DB’s vs Stanford QB/WR: STAN +2.61
Oregon State LB’s vs Stanford RB’s: STAN +1.46
Oregon State DL vs Stanford OL: STAN +1.93
MISCELLANEOUS:
Special Teams: STAN +1.70
Kicking: STAN +1.74
Coaching Staff: STAN +3.15
POSITIONAL EDGE: STAN +15.37
Projected Box Score: (ORST-STAN)
Projected Rushing: 117-268
Projected Passing: 217-309
Projected Yardage Total: 334-577
Projected Final Score: 15-45
Experience Rankings: 73-28
Team Schedule Strength: 33-7
Las Vegas Line: Stanford by 23.5
Las Vegas Total: 59.5 Points
+/- Ratings: Stanford by 18.8
Game Grade: Stanford by 20.5
Computer Yards: Stanford 577-334
Computer Points: Stanford 45-15
Computer Line Projection: Stanford by 24.5
Eggers with a good background article on “Munchie” Jefferson:
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/411403-308843-making-a-run-for-football-greatness
Picks Stanford 38-20:
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/411194-310477-kerry-says-odds-against-osu-in-cardinal-match
Air quality in Palo Alto area caused cancellation of most high school games last night. Current quality is bad enough to cancel the Beavs game but forecast for the day is improving to a level where the game would likely be played.
Current info:
https://cfpub.epa.gov/airnow/index.cfm?action=airnow.local_city&cityid=318
What station/channel/stream is game being played on….?