I know we can’t (won’t) fire him because we’re OSU, and we’ll hide behind “we just don’t have the money,” but this is what we’re dealing with:
In economics and business decision-making, a sunk cost is a cost that has already been incurred and cannot be recovered. Sunk costs are contrasted with prospective costs, which are future costs that may be avoided if action is taken.
Mitch is a sunk cost. We can’t recover his salary, but we can avoid prospective costs (loses) by cutting bait now. Those costs are all future lost revenue as the program declines. It’s also our National dynasty. That’s what’s on the line.
You’re always better cutting bait the moment you realize the person/situation is not the answer. I know OSU won’t do this. The topic won’t even be brought up by the media or AD. If the media gets a backbone and asks tough questions, then money and the need to be patient will be accepted by fans as valid reasons.
It was encouraging in the comment section today that many saw the light and were rightfully critical of Canham.
Taking out TCU made the season respectable. But as I mentioned, this was something the players did in spite of their HC making decisions that were not in their best interest.
Let’s do a temperature check, perfect time to do it when everyone is emotionally unbalanced.
Keep or fire Canham? Just reply keep or fire. No reasoning needed.
Fire.
Keep
Maybe the Mariners will hire him and then we can hire him back again in 3-4 years when they fire him.
Season’s over…let it go.
Keep
Absolutely fire him. Terrible mistake picking him over Yeske who is a great pitching coach, but also someone who learned much of his craft under Hall of Famer Casey. Mitch played for Casey but coached only in the minors where much responsibility is developing and sending players to the next level. Emphasis on game strategy is lacking. OSU won until this game in spite of Canham’s terrible decision making and lack of it when needed. Send him packing back to the minors and put Scott Barnes on the same bus. – Kirk Jonasson OSU ‘71
OSU won until this game in spite of Canham’s terrible decision making
Exactly. They had to overcome friendly fire coming from their own dugout. The people saying he overperformed don’t seem to get this. Beavs would have more wins if he (a) made the right decisions (b) they had any competent coach, which overlaps with (a).
So was it a mistake to keep Tinkle?
Keep
Angry, take coaching out of the equation for second. Do you think OSU had more talent than either Dallas Baptist or TCU?
Don’t care about excuses, Tinkle, strawmen, or ad hominems. Mitch is the topic. If you’re not talking about his decisions I won’t be responding moving forward.
He is the topic we all know this. You won’t answer because your trying to convince people that Mitch is the worst coach ever. Which is solely based on the personality he reveals to the media. People like you can’t objectively judge folks because of this limitation.
Now someone looking objectively would see that OSU was the least talented of the three teams. Even though they weren’t the best they outcompeted the other teams. That evidence would point toward coaching being a strength. The less talented team performed better than stronger opponents. But what do I know
Season’s over…let it go.
I think the Beavs were most talented team in this regional
MLB scouts would disagree. Name anyone outside of Abel that would be drafted high? Both TCU and Dallas Baptist have multiple players in the top 100. Def a talent discrepancy.
Keep
Curious about the terms of his contract (years/$). Historically the argument that we have no money has been valid, but OSU has been getting large donations over the past few years. Who are the large baseball donors? What do they think of this situation? Those would be good things to know.
Season’s over…let it go.
My argument isn’t even about money. It is about the job not looking attractive if you fire Canham. Other coaches probably didn’t see the game. You fire him for getting a young team to the final 32 I am not so sure anyone wants the job that much. He gets another year or two it is just a given so IMO no sense in agonizing over it. I don’t see how the Tinkle is a straw man. He floundered around for years with bad rotations and was constantly out coaches. People were talking about him getting fired before he got hot at the end of the season.
Makes sense in a vacuum, but we’re still a National power and dynasty. ASU just did it. Let’s see who they get. I bet their phone is ringing off the hook.
ASU is 1000% more attractive job. Angry always brings these silly analogies to sports. Okay Angry in business, turnover is incredibly expensive. So we have to buy Mitch out, hire someone new and probably over pay because it’s not an alum and we aren’t located in Tempe. And we have to start all over in recruiting ( which isn’t dead as you keep saying). Add in some transfers because players may not want to play for someone else, or win over a new staff… meanwhile that new staff knows if they don’t make it to a super regional or atleast regional final in year 1 they most likely are fired, so you have zero time to build anything. Sound like a winning formula?
Not to mention, OSU baseball is not a money maker. In fact it loses revenue. If we are talking strictly business than it’d be really silly to buy him out. But what do I know.
Exactly. It’s a Podunk town, it won’t pay medium dollar and weather sucks 70% of the year. So literally all we have going for us as a coach is reputation. Let’s make it even worse and make sure people know the expectations are crazy, the admin is disloyal and you only get one year to prove yourself…screw that if I’m a top coach I’m taking a cush job in California or Arizona for better pay.
We are not a destination. We could be if another coach can wins gets into the cws once or twice. Until then it’s just huge shoes to fill with 1 or 2 more good recruiting years unless you inject success. Then the program built by a coach becomes a dynasty where the program is great not just the coach who built it. Let’s not shit in the salted earth and atleast make sure Mitch is backsliding the program.
Why is Terry Stotts being fired. Because he underachieved with the talent level. No defense, no fundamentals = bad coaching.
However with this team we see good defense, good fundamentals. Those are markers of a good coach. He def has to work on game management. However better talent leads to easier decisions. A lot these decisions came when players didn’t execute.
Trust is huge, as you saw with Casey. He rode his horses , maybe to death sometimes with pitch count. The problem is Mitch had no horses this year. No Pitchers or hitters like OSU had in the past.
Mulholland. Burns. Mundt. Verberg.
I disagree on the pitching. Bullpen should’ve been lights out/lock down.
My biggest issues were all the free passes given up by what was supposed to be an elite pitching staff.
The lack of hitting is understandable given what was lost in the last few years and most of those guys are underclassmen right now.
I’m not on board with firing Canham right now. I’d give him another couple years before the seat heats up. Dorman I am on the fence about.
This team exceeded my expectations in the regional. But at the end of the day, you absolutely cannot give up a 5 run lead over halfway through the game and lose by 3 runs.
Let’s see if the offense/hitting improves with another year with these players and also what recruits they have coming in.
None of those guys are legit MLB prospects. Def no lockdown guys. Especially against college hitting. It’s not an elite bullpen by any stretch. They performed above their talent level IMO.
Mully was great with Nate and questionable with Dorman. So…
1) Technique
2) Philosophy
3) Pitch calling
The base on balls and HBP cost us quite a few games this year, with the last one being the crown jewel.
They have a bad in game sense when to leave in and when to pull a pitcher. It’s almost like they don’t want to hurt the feeling odf the pitcher. Burns should have been pulled after ball two after the first walk.
I say we fire Canham and hire angry. He has the moxie, the personality and will be great with the media. He’ll let everyone know his process and be so transparent our opponents will know our every move.
Go get Andrew Checketts. He’s ready to make the jump.
Where is Checketts now – UCSD? I like that idea. He is an ex-OSU player with a Successful College Coaching Background.
UCSB. He’s made the tourney five times and the CWS once.
Managing the college game is much different from the pros. He has ten years of coaching a D1 program.
So what are our other options?
Can we send Mitch to a “coaching 101” type camp? I’m dead serious. He also needs a 101 in basic math/probabilities. If we’re stuck with this guy we have to improve him.
Send letters to the AD. Go to benefits and ask why questions and of people in the program. Donate lots of money and get their attention. Pressure the media to ask the questions for you.
I think his weird moves should be questioned and explained. If he doesn’t get that feedback he may not know what to learn.
That’s fair, but instead of doing that people argue with me that he’s good.
Has anyone (other than myself) gotten on Twitter and done this? I did. And I’ll write Barnes tomorrow.
He’d probably be fine if he had a 101 in basic math and coaching.
Perhaps a constructive activity would be for us to make a list of the confusing decisions and present that instead? Then maybe we can get answers and info plus give feedback.
For me:
April 25th: not walking the bases loaded to setup the DP. 101 decision. Cost them the game.
June 6: Pitching to the best hitter in the Regional with first base open. Seemed totally unaware their #3 hitter was a scrub as well.
June 7: Leaving in Burns at best one batter too long but IMO two batters too long. Going to Mundt after he threw 30 pitches like 18hrs ago. Passing on Mulholland who didn’t throw many pitches.
Might be more. I only watched April 25th and this Regional. Very busy. Was he this bad in between what I watched?
… worse. IMO coming from MLB (minors), Mitch brought a MLB-moneyball (no little ball) approach to college ball. Little ball started to emerge in late May and was “85%” in the regionals – Mitch probably got tired of losing 1 run games. Not bunting with men on 1st and 2nd with no outs (or 1st in certain conditions) is nuts unless you have no confidence in your own pitching… or your team is hitting > .400.
I agree completely on leaving Burns in too long. I watched Yeskie pull pitchers if they walked ONE batter in a tight situation. Canham / Dorman is teaching his pitchers he’ll tolerate sloppy, undisciplined, mentally soft pitching. Also the HBP and BB reflect a failure in mental training – Where’s the focus / warrior attitude that was a hallmark of the Casey era? … ie “beat yourself” vs “other guy has to beat me”?
And one more thing, dump the “Pat Casey Head Coach” title, as in “Pat Casey Head Coach, Mitch Canham”. Whoever thought up that Eff’d up title is the one who should be fired. Talk about working under a cloud!
” I watched Yeskie pull pitchers if they walked ONE batter in a tight situation.”
So you completely forgot the moniker ‘Too Late Nate’? How do you suppose he earned that?
So, by your own admission, you HAVEN’T EVEN WATCHED? Come on , man. That is absurd to make any recommendation when you have no idea what went on this season beyond 3-4 games and an occasional boxscore.
If you are making hiring/firing decisions based on such little info, you would be a terrible boss/business owner.
To early to fire
Who is Ben Bertrand? It says on his profile he’s a former baseball player. Is that right? He’s liking a bunch of Tweets critical of Mitch.
I wonder what the locker room is thinking.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?ID=2109
Impressive numbers at OSU. Except why is his OBP…0? Lol
Anyway, he doesn’t seem happy with Mitch.
This is the dumbest topic I’ve seen posted on this blog. Angry, Mitch is good at everything. Tell me something he isn’t good at. He is the perfect leader for this program.
From someone that follows the sport every weekend
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This loss is a tough pill to swallow for
@BeaverBaseball
, which fought back through the losers’ bracket and had a 5-0 lead through 5 innings today. Still, I thought Oregon State fought so hard here, and I like the culture under Mitch Canham. Brighter days are ahead.
What is the “culture?”
Agriculture
That was baaaaaad
Angry thought Andersen was a great hire, anyone giving credence to his opinion here is a fool.
Angry, like many here, reacted positively to Andersen’s hire. Andersen had done well as D coordinator under Meyer (Utah bowl win over Alabama), Utah State progressed under Andersen, Andersen had double digit wins at Winsconsin, a major program in a competitive conference, and we lucked out with Riley leaving for more money (like Canham, OSU was never going to fire Riley).
However, Angry was the first to explicitly point out Andersen had a poor track record with QBs, and that was a concern, which turned out to be one of Andersen’s major shortcomings at OSU. McMaryion plays smart and efficient in a long overdue CW win in poor conditions, and doesn’t start the subsequent season as #1?!? I don’t agree with everything Angry says, but to say that he liked the Andersen hire, as if he didn’t soon adjust his thinking on it, and that therefore his opinion on Canham has no credence, is a poor argument. Rather, its a good example to consider in the current evaluation of Canham.
Thanks. It’s not worth it with this guy. But that’s exactly right. And after watching “Seth the Great” one game I soured on Andersen fast.
He must discount the entire Oregon media because everyone loved that hire. Wouldn’t be surprised given YoungOrSt’s ego.
If Mitch comes back next year and has the 101 stuff figured out, then great. We’ll make that observation, and I can feel good knowing the dynasty is in place. As of today, anyone pretending that’s reality is lying to themselves.
In every employment position that requires management, hiring is one of, if not THE most important things employors do. People who are poor at their jobs are hired – and retained – all the time, regardless of the profession. Sports is not immune. We all know that. Suggesting that one cannot recognize a poor hire or poor management decisions because one has not held that job is an oversimplification. Or rather maybe an over”complification” of the job in question. Sure, Canham is in a specialized field.That doesn’t mean his judgement can’t be questioned. And in fact, its not good for either for the University or Canham not to critically question his work. And this isn’t to say Canham is ill intended or assign some kind of motive to him. He can be just a poor manager as the results suggest.
I think the Beavers had enough talent to advance to the next round. I think Canham’s management prevented them from advancing. I think within three years this will be borne out, and recruiting will suffer.
For those who don’t think Canham had the talent to advance, do you think he’ll recruit the talent?
Spot on.
I think we don’t know yet. The freshmen are impressing me so far.
Daniel Susac. Drew Gilbert. That said, I am hopeful for the 2022 recruiting class, and cognizant that Casey’s recruited players starts to run out.
It’s definitely too early to fire Canham. But fans and the AD absolutely should question his decision making. I do think he will get better, especially as he has more time coaching college players and learning the tendencies of his players. If he doesn’t make improvements next year and the following year, then there needs to be some heat.
Some of the dumb decisions were just baseball 101 and totally separate from knowing your players.
How is it humanly possible that Angry knows more baseball than Canham, more football than Riley and Andersen, more basketball than Tinkle, etc.
What kind of narcissist truly values their own opinion over others in literally every category?
My perspective is always about avoiding a repeat of the Riley experience in any other OSU sport. Casey somehow insulated the baseball program from the low expectation rot of Riley backers, but reading comments backing Canham brings some PTSD from Riley years.
The low expectations and excuses are just the set-up to the good ol boy, aw shucks, small town kid, local hero schtick, along with the recruiting is hard, no airport, unappealing job, too cold, too wet, too far, too small town excuses. These lines are already being pushed for both Canham and J Smith.
I think angry is reliably pushing against these long standing, deep seated OSU narratives/tropes. It is one thing to support Canham and give him a fair chance to mature and grow, but to dismiss the obvious issues begs the question of a resurfacing Riley cancer within the Athletic Dept beginning to settle over the baseball program.
This is my concern. Baseball has become the crown jewel of OSU sports, Riley cancer will destroy OSU baseball if the same low expectation mindset adheres to it.
Tango, A@A, YoungOSt do you all agree that Canham has in game strategic short-comings?
What is your definition of success for OSU baseball?
Are you concerned that low expectations could ruin OSU baseball?
How many years should Canham have to mature and learn on the job before you are concerned?
Does Dorman go at least?
Precisely, and time is the #1 variable with this, because once you lose what Casey built, it’s not coming back.
This question is the most important: How many years should Canham have to mature and learn on the job before you are concerned?
Canham started his year 3 tonight.
Lol, year 3? Realistically and truly year 1.3… ?But yeah angry Canham’s in year 3. I’m not saying Canham doesn’t have faults. But every time something goes wrong, that’s not on the coach. You can’t always point the finger at someone when something goes wrong. Sometimes the other player makes a better play. I don’t think many people here (if any) are promoting low expectations. We just went to the regional final, eliminated a very good TCU team at their house. And did that with in all likelihood less talented roster. Is TCU firing their coach? They just went 1-2 at home in regional play.
Yep, year 3 just started a few hours ago.
Season’s over…let it go.
I’d like to see the post game press conference, and how he frames the loss (does he own it, is he vague, what?), and what improvements he thinks they need to make – this might come a bit later given they have to digest the loss. Then, watch what kind of staff changes he makes for the off season. If no change, then expect slow decline.
I was surprised and disappointed to see all of the “weather” and “not a destination” excuses here for Canham. OSU baseball and Goss have presence and mindshare. Games are well attended and its a great atmosphere for NCAA baseball. There’s recent alum doing well in MLB. Combined, those factors make recruiting and developing talent achievable.
If it’s anything like his presser from last night you’ll be underwhelmed.
It makes no sense to talk down your program when it’s awesome unless you’re afraid of something. Notice the trolls all have a fear/protectionism to them.
The point was recruiting and development won’t last without success. Once that reputation is gone OSU has very little draw for a good coach compared to other locations. That advantage is completely reliant on a coach winning. That’s a whole lot of pressure.
Just look at the location of every baseball national champion. We are an anomaly.
Correct. And why it’s a big deal to fix this ASAP.
Grand Canyon, Oregon, Dallas Baptist with rich baseball history to name a few. Their recruiting was solely based on their past successes.
None have championships like us but let’s break that down.
GCU is in Phoenix. They have us on weather, city, Salary is unknown but considering it’s Bryce atleast competitive with us, I think he was making around a 700k at Vandy.
DBU: They have us on weather, location, Salary unknown.
Oregon: shit weather, better location (larger city, direct off i5, much more stuff to do like steal laptops), Swoosh, University rep is a big deal with them even if baseball is not as good. Salary about the same but better bonus structure. Swoosh
All of these schools are better jobs in my mind. What we have to offer is a great tradition and massive shoes to fill. Tearing the rug out after nearly making a super in the first full season is not a good look. Not to mention it was done on the back of the current coaches recruits.
Maybe global warming will make us a destination program.
Modeling shows better higher temps but more rain in the fall and spring.
Maybe the next ice age will be great for OSU.
If we can wait 60 years…Granite Bay
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Oh my heavens, you’ve clearly never been to GCU. But if methheads on every corner, armed guards at the entrances and 120 degree weather are your cup of tea, then you are set.
No, pull the rug out and you add crazy expectations and short leash to the list of reasons not to go there.
I don’t think OSU lost much cred this year. Still a solid program as is.
You must be Canham’s sibling or cousin. He’s a minor league manager who moves Individual players to the next level and is not skilled in game time strategy and decision making. He proved that in last year’s shortened seasonc and this year with a 16-14 win/loss PAC-12 record – feasting on weaker teams and finishing out the year losing series after series. His players overcame his bad game-time decisions until he overwhelmed the odds of winning in this last game. Can-him.
Love “can-him”
Bingo on record vs good teams. The apologist say it’s due to lack of talent…
Keep. But Canham made some objectively horrible in game decisions that did cost the Beavs games. Biggest problem seems to be making pitching changes solely based on lefty/righty and how many innings a pitcher was supposed to go. Today you ride Watkins as he was cruising, yesterday you ride Mundt and don’t freaking pitch to the conference player of the year with first base open. Why would anyone defend those decisions. OBJECTIVELY terrible. I am willing to see if he improves, but managing college players is different than managing professionals. He needs to be better.
Right!
*Pat Bailey followed you*
Interesting.
Remember that time Casey pulled Abel in the World Series because he pitched 90 pitches and the lefty/righty matchup was not good statistically. Yeah me neither. You ride the hot hand with college pitching. It’s not that complicated.
I dunno that the throw a guy arm out is the better strategy… got to be a middle ground in there
Yeah, I seem to remember him having to get surgery shortly after and still isn’t recovered fully 3 years later.
He said “the ball was coming out easy.” And it’s difficult to pin the TJ surgery just on that game.
He had an epic performance, and won a championship. Surgery, rehab, and recovery, while not certain, are better than ever and likely to be successful.
He could have been pulled, and thrown his arm out in summer league or pro ball.
I think he’ll recover and look back on his performance and experience with pride.
Coach Was seems to have done pretty well in the same time frame for U of O. Being outplayed and out coached by U of O this year. Also unfortunate. Hope LSU holds on for the win.
Well according to Angry Coach Was is on the heat seat as well.
Oregon has the PAC-12 player of the year, a lot of older bats, they have a more talented roster if were being honest. And yet, made it to the region final just like we did.
Canham could learn a few things from Paul Mainieri. He didn’t bring his closer in for the 9th, because he had confidence in Marceaux. He knows his pitchers and knows what to look for. He wasn’t trying create L/R matchups, he rode a pitcher who still had control and plenty of arm left.
This whole topic is really an interesting case of entrenchment and limited choice falacy. It’s degrading into pointless name calling too! Some things I think we can all agree on.
1) This season has had some serious managerial issues on game management and pitching.
2) Free bases are the main source of us losing games this year
3) None of us want a complacent AD.
4) Who is the hitting coach and why does he only hang out with cute freshmen?
So instead of name calling maybe we should focus on these issues. Have we gotten any good answers to why any of them happened from the staff? What are the staff planning to do about it? Is the AD aware of the discontent or think everything’s great? If we can come up with some templates and write some letters and tweet some birds maybe we can get more information.
At least the Ducks lost!
Hell ya!!
The announcers kept making a big deal out of our tournament experience, but those guys actually didn’t log a lot of innings. We asked a lot of underclassmen to carry the load.
We’re going to miss Armstrong and Mully, but the vast majority of difference makers were underclassmen. Even with all the MLB talent Casey produced, most of those guys still hung around until JR/SR year. There’s more evidence of skill development in baseball than football or basketball where athleticism makes such a big difference.
All of our top hitters were guys Canham recruited. The most dependable pitchers were Canham recruits. That’s a good sign.
I keep seeing these tweets go by about OSU commits that “project as middle of the lineup hitter at the next level.” That’s a good sign.
I still see a lot of good things happening in the program and I think it’s too early to panic.
I am very happy with the Frosh/Soph who really were the difference makers in the post season. Going to be interesting to see if Ober, Claunch and Casey can hold on to starting line up spots. McMahan and Casey have both arguably been replaced by young guys now. Armstrong is by far the biggest shoes to fill imo.
Pitchers –
Frosh: Hjerpe, Frisch, Washburn and Lawson are all Canham recruits. Not much to whine about there.
Soph: Pfennigs, Mundt, Salgado, Townsend and Watkins. Mostly great specially late season. Canham/Bailey.
Fielders –
Frosh: Boyd, McDowell, Dernedde, Forrester. McDowell wasn’t ready to hit at this level but the other three were very impressive. Canham recruits
Soph: Gretler, Dukart, Meckler, Melton, Froemke, Fuchs. Canham/Bailey recruits, made up most of the consistent starters this year.
Reasonable assessment.
Now is not the time to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
If things continue to slide backwards in the next two seasons? Then its time to reassess of Canham is the guy to continue to lead this program.
Speaking of which…..ASU and Tracy Smith parted ways. If Pat Casey can be coaxed out of retirement? That might be a job he should consider.
You might want to check your facts ….. Hjerpe, Frisch, Washburn, Boyd, McDowell, and Dernedde all signed in the Fall of 2018 and were originally Pat Casey recruits.
Joe is correct. They came for Yeskie. We lost the other Stillwater MN kid to Tennessee because of the change.
Looking at our CWS teams, next year’s roster will have a similar makeup to the 2005 CWS team that had a few impact seniors, but was mostly juniors and sophomores (who then went on to win the NC in 06 and 07). The freshmen on the 06 team were basically just role players. Same with 07, 2013, and 2014.
Not making a Super Regional next year will be a disappointment based on experience, but some of our bats and arms need to make real progress. To me, that will be the true measure of this coaching staff.
And a reasonable question to ask is why the upperclassmen were less productive than the frosh/soph. Who recruited those kids? Were they not as talented as thought or did they have some axe to grind?
There weren’t many of them and the more talented ones already went pro.
It is a good question, mostly gutted by MLB or less talented guys transfered/retired. Here’s a list based on recruitment year. Considering the pitchers we have lost to the draft it’s amazing we are competitive.
2018 Class MLB: Chamberlain.
Contributors: Ober, Claunch, McMahan, Burns, Abel.
Bench/Gone: 4
2017 Class MLB: Malone, Gambrel, Rutchsman, Eisert,
Contributors: Armstrong, Jones, Mullholland, Verberg(RS), Casey (RS)
Bench/Gone: 3
Assuming Reed goes pro, our incoming recruiting class appears to be exclusively P, C, and SS. I guess that’s a good sign for the future of our defense if all our incoming IF’s were HS SS.
5 of them are rated as high or mid draft picks too.
Incoming IF Mason Guerra looks like he could be a stud if he doesn’t sign with an MLB team. Projected as a 2-4 round pick based on his hitting, but has the athleticism and defensive tools to play 3B or SS.
Outside of him, it looks like UW, Gonzaga, and Nike cleaned up on the recruiting trail in the NW for this class.
How could they do that? They’re all too far north, and UW and UO at least don’t have the weather?
How Gonzaga recruits for any sport is a mystery.
UW is in Seattle, weather isn’t much different than ours.
UO is a better location for most college kids. Corvallis is not competitive with Eugene unless you like a small town.
Either way none of those 3 have ever won a championship. We are the farthest north team to win any.
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Vast difference in recruiting baseball kids vs football kids.
Let’s be blunt here, football recruiting is mostly trying to appeal to big city/inner city black kids, baseball is mostly small/medium city white kids.
Corvallis is pretty awesome to a white kid that grew up fishing and hunting and hanging out at the river. Still plenty of girls to chase around.
Obviously there are exceptions in both sports.
Eugene is boring, dirty shithole.
Plus our campus is fantastic
It is beautiful, I just ran up there last week. If Corvallis could support my business I’d move there in a heartbeat.
“Eugene is boring, dirty shithole.”
… with AAA ballfield and facilities.
… and empty stands. :-)
No doubt Mitch and crew need to clean some things up…but they definitely overachieved with the talent they had on the roster this year. They need to take the next step in 2022 or Mitch will definitely have to answer some questions…
OF Meckler – jr
OF Boyd – so
OF Melton – jr
DH Forrester – so
INF Ober – sr
INF Dernedde – so
INF Dukart – jr
INF Gretler – jr
Catcher TBD –
Gotta think the C job is Claunch’s to lose
Yeah I would think so unless he is a surprise day one draft pick.
Only one Canham recruit on that list ….
2019 isn’t credited to Canham for recruiting? He was hired in June so at the very least he would have had to keep the commits.
Boyd, Dernedde, Frisch, Hjerpe, etc. all signed their NLIs in the Fall of 2018.
Glad they stuck around then!
Regarding that Pat Casey HC title…agree it’s very dumb. And especially now that he’s headed to LSU.
Well for those that didn’t see the mass censorship and deleting of criticism this board is dead as an open forum. Adios muchos, it was the one differentiator from elsewhere.
Plenty of critical comments above, even your own. Yeah, mass censorship – two of your creepy comments…and rightfully so. You’re absolutely obsessed with me and were accusing me of having drug problems. If I feel someone is unstable and/or stalking me, I have every right to ban them. Fuck off. I gave you a second chance this morning, and you blew that due to your obsession and rage.
This is the last response on the matter. Any further responses will be deleted.
Changing usernames of people’s posts (mine above) and accusing me of saying things I never did because I’m not them. Pathetic, dude.
My bad. You’re right.
What’s strange is your IP came up as TW the first time I ran it. Now I see who you are. See ya. Great username…probably my favorite ever, so on that front unfortunate to see you go.
To be fair, I don’t know what whoever said whatever. But, I did see SOME that looked like normal criticism get deleted. I come here for the comments and if that is compromised then what the hell is the point.
Read the thread. There’s criticism all over. Tango_Whiskey accused me of having a drug problem, amongst other creep comments. There’s also 12 years of criticism toward me littered throughout the blog.
I have a VERY long leash and even unbanned him this morning because I don’t believe in censorship, but I don’t believe in creeps or abuse, either. When it goes personal and creepy with clear mal-intent then it’s gone. That’s always been the policy. It’s just in the past people didn’t go there, and now people are. There’s literally one ban in place right now, though probably about to become two. I’d wager that’s the lowest of any 12 year old blog on the internet.
Ok, I got you. I thought you were going crazy on me or something. I retract my resignation.
It’s his blog he can do whatever he wants. If you don’t like it make your own and do the work.
Keep.
Any school has to have a strategy they can afford to implement. OSU HC hires have not been seasoned coaches like Saben or Pete Carroll that bring with them a record and expectation. Instead we put young introductory coaches into a D1 system and they need to grow, learn, and mature and hopefully develop into a seasoned coach. I think it takes a least 3 full years to see if the risk will pay-off. Tinkle finally did last year and it was definitely more then 3 years. Smith has had his growing pains but we are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Mitch… to early to tell in my opinion although totally agree this year had some Smith verses Washington State moments that we all hope he learns from.
Re: the experience thread up above
Jones, Casey, McMahan…they all got their chances this year and didn’t make much of them. McMahan is the real mystery to me. He was on fire before the season ended in 2020, then he was miserable this year. Even Mulholland faltered when he got his chances against quality competition.
The fact that Canham went with a younger lineup makes me wonder if some of his decisions were made with an eye on next season.
The younger lineup thing struck me as well. Yet, he stuck with Abel?
How could he recognize and respond to Casey’s drastic slump at the plate and yet stay with Abel at Friday night?
Anyway, I went in for a root canal with the Beavs up 5-0 and came out to the bad (but believable) news! Who’d a thunk 10 BB and 3 HBP would be too much for Beav Bats to overcome??????sarc!
Mitch’s interview from last night. Just getting into it so no comment yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8AU54B6-aI
Sounds like he pulled Watkins because of workload. That’s fine. Bigger issue was leaving Burns in, and they don’t ask about that.
Burns was more of a gray area, subjective call. You can’t just pull a guy every time he throws a few balls, and I imagine they wanted someone with more experience in at that moment. That one could have gone either way to me.
Consistent in the in-game comments were references to a “mobile strike zone” and a strike zone “all over the place.” Did that affect Canham’s decisions?
It occurred to me Canham may find he prefers pro ball (even though employment is less secure than an OSU gig) and is gone in a few years….who should OSU have in the coaching bullpen to call up?
Darwin Barney. He always struck me as the “manager material” on those rosters. Was he even interviewed by Barnes?
Yeah, but Canham always seemed like a fiery leader and look how he ended up.
He ain’t so fiery.
Neither is Barney!
People always say catchers make the best coaches but middle infielders seem better to me.
At the end of the interview, Gretler says, “Mitch got us fired up (young guys, for the future)”
Mitch’s comments seemed pretty “coach speak”, I’d have liked his answer to what he took away from the regional experience to have not been a repeat of the previous “family” theme but to have focused on the actual games. I can see Casey pointing out lessons on the importance of winning every AB, every pitch and how the game turns, sometimes, on details which may seem small at the time.
Angry, is there a way to move the June recruiting thread up above the old baseball game threads sonit doesnt get buried? June recruiting will pick up again in a couple of days but figured those baseball threads are dead now.
http://angrybeavs.com/football/16227
Yes. Will do now.
Thanks. Now hopefully they make it worthwhile and close on some commitments
I think angry holds the record for driving people legit insane on this blog. Greatswammi turned into like 10 people, whiskey tango is going down that path, I’m sure there are more.
Lol.
I don’t understand why people become so obsessed with me, either. Like, I’d literally never care enough about anyone to stalk them or get involved in their personal life. But we have four dudes here who have enough free time and care to do that. And we had many in the past. It’s really bizarre.
You’re a lot of drama for a dude. Nobody is stalking you.
Speak for yourself. I might do a light stalk from time to time, can’t stop me Dad!
Weird thing is, he keeps unbanning me from time to time.
Lol
Final post until fall camp,
A season in review,
Was this season a success or failure? Probably neither. The team slightly over achieved by getting to the regional final. Canham met the minimum of making the tourney. But one could argue, he cost a game or two over the course of the season. I don’t agree it was multiple games. Sometimes it’s just bad luck. He may have also broken Angry who may never come around if there is success.
Player review –
Nice to see guys step up in regional play. Sets up a foundation for next year. Team will have a good base of players next year but no stars. Need star players if they want to go further.
I would argue player development was hindered by the super seniors. Jones took a lot of at bats that could have gone to younger players with no appreciable difference. Not one true freshman made an impact. That seems like a first in a while.
Pitching wise, the story really is how much impact Dorman had on the game. He’s calling all the pitches and it’s up to the players to execute. His strategy of pitching inside and not giving into hitters didn’t work consistently enough to have success this year. The evidence being opponent batting avg was only .215 but a walk/hbp rate of 5.5 per 9. That’s way too many free passes. The 2018 title team had an opponent batting avg of .230. I’ve said before, his strategy would work with elite arms and we saw glimpses but never back to back outings.
Defense was elite and that was expected with the coaches backgrounds. Odd stat – Burns had 4 errors out of 7 chances.
What about next year –
It’s all about summer development and freshman arrivals. I think the Beavs have a good chance of bringing in the top talent from the incoming class. West coast guys just didn’t get to play as much so they’ll drop in the draft.
Summer league assignments will tell you what scouts think of guys. Cape cod guys are top of draft types. Incoming freshman need to be playing in the west coast league. Madrigal and Grenier just lit the league on fire before their freshman year. That’s how you knew they were going to be a starter on day 1.
And every other returning guy just needs to get in as much playing time as possible anywhere. None will turn into stars but they’ll be much more reliable.
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Will likely lose Abel. He’s got nothing left to prove here. Others will be later round draft picks. Anyone who’s graduated might want to move on even with an extra year. And it’ll be best for some to make room for new guys. I see Melton staying due to his injury.
The early outlook for next year is pretty similar. Without stars, supers is the ceiling. I would not consider Melton a star since he didn’t play the whole season. Will likely have more consistent lineups but need breakout years from guys to go further. Not sure an Adley like transformation can happen. That’s all I got.
Have a good summer!
Abel seems to have much left to prove. At this point, he’ll be labeled as a guy with good stuff and significant command issues. There are plenty of that type of pitcher out there. It’s just a matter of whether he thinks Dorman is the guy that can help him.
You have a good summer too, Bill, look forward to your return.
Something else about Canham…he keeps referring to his players as “warriors”…what is going on?
https://twitter.com/MitchellCanham/status/1402375526866587651
With quick research, I see his uncle was a big deal in WWII, and his brother was a Marine killed in friendly fire. It’s a military family. But, why bring that into baseball? Baseball is a light-hearted, quirky game where you need to be loose yet focused. It doesn’t really require the military mindset. Very odd.
^^^ see above
lol, if anyone needed more proof that Angry never played. “Warrior” mentality is referenced in sports, all sports most likely. You’re reaching sooo far. Also funny that you’ve criticized him for not having enough fire but now baseball is light-hearted and quirky.
Why do you care if I played? Is this more stalking/obsession?
A key piece of your argument, for our below average coach, is whether I played baseball or not. I also never said anything about his “fire.” So weak all around.
Who cares? GA called his players War Daddies. I REALLY don’t care to dive into speculation around the psychological origin of that tendency.
You better get ready to go scrub all your threads if you’re now claiming to never say Canham lacked fire.
I never said that, and if I somehow did and forgot, it changes nothing about him. The thread is about him, not me, freak. Obsession.
The reality is an unranked team that many here said didn’t deserve to be in the tournament, a team from a so-called cold weather region and a town that is so hideous as to be compared unfavorably to Tempe Arizona for God’s sake, beat all three teams in the regional, including eliminating the No. 8 team in the nation on its own field. The Beavers played five games in three-and-a-half days and were an inning away from winning the whole thing. Had they faced DBU a second time with even somewhat fresh pitching, I am convinced they would have won and advanced to the super regional, where they would have shown a weak Virginia team the door to make it to the CWS, again. I am optimistic that the Beavers are on the right track for next year, especially if a few players stick around and the return to a normal-sized line-up causes guys to focus a little more, including the pitchers. Go Beavs!
Keep……talking about getting rid of him at this point is ridiculous. We need a few years of recruiting and development to make an analysis. And at some point players/pitchers have to execute. It’s not all on the coaches……and this was his first full season at the helm.
Moving on from Abel and Mully next season will be freeing as they were operating under legacy. imo, we have a strong core of positiion players, and arms, with good recruits coming in. The question is how will Canham and Co. develop these young men. I’m pretty optimistic if for no other reason then the program is in the hands of Casey’s guys. Hell, Casey pretty much hired Canham as his successor. There’s a reason he picked Canham over Yeskie.
“And at some point players/pitchers have to execute. It’s not all on the coaches……”
This is 100% correct. As an ex-college baseball player, we NEVER blamed the coaches for our play. It wasn’t on them…it was on us to execute. The folks on this board who default to firing the coaches have likely never played college sports in their life.
Angry hasn’t we know that. Funny thing is he doesn’t see how that’s relevant.
Mitch was the best choice when we hired him and still is now. His in game management this year was not at an acceptable level but this is something that improves with experience. Having coached myself, it’s amazing how much experience teaches you. I like the teams culture, young talent, and recruiting trend. Losing the regional was a lost opportunity and I could argue Mitch’s decisions could have cost us… Pat Casey probably finds a way to utilize his pitching staff to hold 5-0 lead. Casey might be the best game manager ever but even Casey had some head scratchers especially earlier in his career. Firing MC now makes absolutely no sense.
Hope so.
Side Finch Twitter reporting LSU announcing Pat Casey as their new head coach soon.
TCU coach to LSU.
Texas A&M not LSU.
Just checking to see if you were paying attention lol.
This is some of the most inane bull shit I’ve ever read. The fact anyone listens to AB about baseball (or anything really) is pathetic. Halfway through game 2 at the 2018 CWS this dipshit was whining and bitching about Casey being a bad manager. You’ve always been a moron, angry.
Irony.
OSU AD teaming up with the business school to assist SA with promotion…
https://osubeavers.com/news/2021/6/9/general-exposure-paves-way-for-beavers-to-maximize-name-image-likeness-era.aspx