This is going to be a game where you can make any analogy with the butt. Butt pounding, prison style, etc, so post your favorite butt phrases below. That given, I’m most curious to hear where Beaver fans are at after that brutal loss.
– We have a gambler at HC who is likely going to leave.
– We had a chance at a special season that our HC sabotaged.
– We’re about to get our butts made sore by the Ducks.
– We’re headed to the MWC or something equally bad like adding them to the PAC.
– We’re about to lose a lot of our best players to the transfer portal.
We went from a program on the rise with an up and coming HC to a program one game away from being left out of P5 for good, our coach getting poached. And before you say other schools won’t want him after his poor calls this year, realize: even though he is not good at in game management, we have such a bad reputation that everyone but us will objectively see him as brilliant.
So where are you at? I’m very defeated. I don’t see anything bright in the offing.
Ducks 56, Beavs 24
Secondary prediction: Sith gets poached before our bowl game.
One thing is for certain, we will have the best venue in the MWC! That stadium is amazing and rivals most professional sports stadiums. How we pay for it all playing in a mid-tier conference escapes me, especially in a rising interest rate environment, when the free money dissapears.
Go Beavs! Would like nothing better than to beat the Ducks in Autzen one last time!
Apparently it doesn’t have enough bathrooms on the new side.
This is pretty messed up.
https://twitter.com/pistolpete503/status/1726329504539525526?t=f0KlQrsNXTvvL21r3awkjA&s=19
Yeah 4 urinals in the men’s room doesn’t cut it
It’s almost as if no one has feet…fucking walk, idiots.
PSA: the new old side and south end zone still have bathrooms.
45-10 ass pounding.
Not much to say, except OSU football has peaked under Smith. Time to move on.
Why we thinking smith leaves?
I’d have to think that would end any good feelings he has here, and leave a terrible legacy. I think he sticks around at least a couple seasons.
Gambler’s mentality. Smith will think he can win big in the B1G. He won’t.
You really (honestly) think right now is when a head coach would leave? I have a hard time seeing him bail after this season.
The one I’d like to see leave, and he’s had some very good moments etc.. is lindgren. I think a shot in the arm at oc would be a good/great thing for next years team.
I love continuity, but also think switching oc can be a receipt for success for next season
Yeah especially if OSU schedules Oregon next year. Smith wants nothing to do with body bag games. That’s why we stopped scheduling them.
I got to think he would like to see the transition through and make sure he leaves with the program on decent footing. I don’t know much about Smith but it seems to me like he’d be more likely to jump for the NFL than another college team.
^
I think he reality is we would be no where near taking about a special season without the coach and his staff and the recruiting/development/coaching they have done. To say it was sabotaged because of the coach is missing the big picture. He can improve in those areas and we can be critical of that and still see the big picture.
Now to the civil war, this game has not felt good for weeks. I thought Washington was our chance to pull off the win but would likely lose to the Ducks even if we had won. I think we may be surprised and keep it closer than people expect but don’t see us going into Autzen and winning this year.
Yeah I don’t like our chances this week but also we’ve lost 3 games by a total of 8 points so I wouldn’t expect us to get blown out by 35.
You can create the environment that leads to a special season, and then you can also destroy it. It’s called self destruction. Gamblers do tend to have that kind of trait.
So are we down 3 guards now? Bloomfield, Starck and Brewer?
Or are Starck and Bloomfield just minir dings?
Starck and Bloomfield are out?
Thought Stark was out vs UW, mid week injury in practice. And Bloomfield went down during the game.
Yeah saw Broomfield is season ending. He walked does he come back?
Brewer will be back next year.
I heard smith was hopeful for starck.
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3494061/what-a-sendoff-to-the-pac-12-from-this-oregon-state-fan-who-was-taking-a-leak-in-the-middle-of-the-stadium
Wait… what were people critical of in the UW game? Not running enough or something? UW started bringing 9 up front, you got to mix in some passes to keep the D honest with those. The 4th and 1 on our side of the field was a little risky but it worked. Burning so much time at the end on our side might have been dumb in hindsight on that last drive but I doubt the Beavs could have punted that drive and won if they had left more time.
Yeah, I have a hard time pointing to anything obvious from that game other than the usual poor tackling and our DL not generating any pressure when we only brought 4 (UW generated plenty of pressure rushing 4). Even the refs were hard to be too critical of.
Ultimately, the deciding factor in a game against a top 4 team was one single play on a bad snap.
That said, I can’t see how this team wouldn’t be deflated now. As good as Nike has looked, I can’t see beating them in Autzen. Feels like a 2-TD loss to me.
Hard disagree, everytime they got in the I and ran downhill it worked.
They kept wasting 1st downs trying to get outside which was always a tackle for loss.
Run Power or Counter on those plays and they win the game.
You’re forgetting the times when we did that and got stuffed
Singleback belly and traps didn’t work against Big Tuli. Needed that extra blocker.
You must’ve been watching a different game than me because while it was occasionally stuffed when they stuck with it, UW couldn’t stop it.
Couple quick examples:
2nd drive of 3rd quarter, key sequence.
1st Down-Pass loss of 2
2nd Down-Rush middle gain of 2
3rd Down-Rush middle gain of 9
4th Down-Rush middle gain of 3
Overall on the 16 play TD drive, 12 runs.
The next series was 10 plays (including FG) and of the first 7, 5 were runs and it was working but suddenly after the 7th run didn’t work they passed on both 2nd and 3rd and 12 resulting in 3 points instead of 7.
I must have watched a different game because when they committed to the run up the middle they were successful more often than not.
Whenever they committed to it, it worked.
When they man blocked, interior runs worked most of the time.
When they zone blocked or pulled a guard/center, Legi and/or Trice got free into the backfield on most plays.
Why try to take the top off on a low percentage play, when DJ was like 1 for 10 on plays over 15 yards?
Lindgren: “cuz they’re not expecting it BECAUSE he was 1/10! Ha!”
Lindgren: “maybe one of our receivers grew 14 inches during half time. Deep ball!!”
^this
It frigging passed me off
I still like our chances. The dicks haven’t really played anyone good except UW and they lost.. USC and Utah are crap
I have a feeling they were pretty embarrassed last year and are going to find every possible way to put up points to keep a similar collapse from happening. No let up this year.
Plus a short week to prep for it where OSU played a wite to wire game Saturday while oregon coasted and rested starters for a half. The fact we never touched Penix in the last game doesnt give me hope for making Nix life difficult.
Crazy things happen, but I’m prepared for it to be a beat down.
Plus they have to impress the committee if they have hopes of jumping UW after the Pac12 title game.
https://www.totalprosports.com/ncaa/oregon-state-fan-caught-on-camera-middle-of-stadium-concourse-washington/
Not good guys.
It’s a Husky fan though?
Yeah thats a husky fan. That’s a uw hat
Honestly based on the shitty fusky fans, not surprised in the least. Those are some of the biggest assholes I’ve been around in a while, far surpassing anything that’s crawled up from the cesspool in Eugene. Not everyone to be sure , but based on percentages it was a staggering gaggle of fuck mutts
Bad journalism Shawn
has the “author” retracted/corrected this, yet?
or is he going to leave his idiocy out there for the world to see?
I really have enjoyed the Ducks and Beavers playing the day after Thanksgiving – makes the game stand out a bit more than it used to. Only other top 20 matchup this weekend is Mich-Ohio State on Saturday. Go Beavers.
I really wish some reporter asked Smith if the Beavers were “looking past” the Huskies ahead of the Oregon game. The Beavs have punked the Ducks numerous times – and I really hope they don’t play a “let down” game – but make Oregon look like the punks that they are. Of course, then Oregon would likely beat Washington in the title game and screw the Pac 2 out of all of that CFP money.
Its too bad this game isn’t at Reser. The halftime show could have been nothing but break-up songs by the OSUMB. Start off with “Good Riddance” by Green Day, Song for the Dumped by Ben Folds, then “Go Your Own Way” by Fleetwood Mack and finish it off with….”I Will Survive” by Gloria Gaynor. Fans might storm the field for performance alone!
Angry’s final score prediction is spot on, unfortunately.
When Smith started he said he wanted to [paraphrasing] “make OSU football nationally relevant.”
He has. Last year, the Beavers finished #15 in the final CFP rankings (higher than Oregon) and this year he had them as high as #11 in multiple polls.
The team is competitive, with 3 of their last 6 losses the last couple of years at 3 points or less.
There is a great home field record these past three years.
All that said, each of the last three seasons seems like Smith pissed away 1-2 games with dumb calls, handicapping his own team, and reducing the specialness of each season. The Beavers could realistically be going into the CW undefeated. Didn’t show up in the first half at WSU, dumb calls at AZ…
The UW game was highly entertaining, but nonetheless frustrating. I don’t recall UW having as many false starts as the Beavers did on their own field. There’s no excuse for that.
Fair catching the punt on the last drive around the 5 seemed unwise. I have to watch the replay, did it look like it had backspin and would bounce UW’s way if he let it go? Why not let it go and block a gunner if there was a threat if downing it inside the 5?
The last drive set up perfectly with the amount if time and the rain stopping, giving OSU the best throwing conditions all game. They didn’t take advantage.
The D did an admirable job and deserve lots of credit. Martinez was a joy to watch.
With everything going on this season, the PAC fraying apart, UW @ home, this was the time to make a real statement and they went out quietly on 4th and 5 with what appeared to be a poor play call. As someone else said, put in 5 receivers and also give DJ an opportunity to run again. Have a few receivers run 6 yard routes…
This game is going to have an emotional hangover like OSU @ LSU years ago, played them close , blew it, blown out the next week @ BSU….
UO can get pressure with 4 D linemen, their CBs can play press on Bolden/Gould, and DJ will struggle.
I think the only wildcards in OSU’s favor would be DJ showing up extra-motivated playing against his little brother (a DE), in front of family, and plays with an uncharacteristic fire that inspires his teammates and results in his best play since Cal and Stanford. But i don’t see it. Mr. Levity will struggle.
Ducks by 21.
All the uncertainty of the next fee seasons likely leads to key talent transferring for more predictability elsewhere.
The home crowd was fun Saturday, the D and Martinez were something of which to be proud. But it feels like the end of recently earned and short-tenured relevance.
there were other dumb calls that just didn’t cost us the game. The 1st half onside kick vs Cal comes to mind.
After the game, Smith’s comment:
“The onside kick, yeah, ultra aggression there. It was on tape.
We felt like we were going to be able to execute it. They played it better than I thought and we didn’t execute very well.”
Colorado too, where the bad snap created a 5 pt swing.
Sure, the execution was bad, but it wasn’t even a necessary risk to take.
“No. 11 Oregon State is an underdog for the first time this season, as No 6 Oregon opens the week as a 13½-point favorite (courtesy of FanDuel) for Friday’s rivalry game in Eugene.”
Bet its the first time ever Beavers football was favored 11 straight games…
looks like Bloomfield’s season is done
https://twitter.com/DUiagalelei/status/1726646019960766823
That sucks. He was down a while, didn’t expect a good outcome….
It looked like non contact or very minimal. And those are the worst.
Some of the coaching staff will get poached way before smith does. Coach M is the best candidate for that.
I think the disappointment is that 8-4 was the floor for this team barring significant injury. In a vacuum don’t have any major issues with how the Washington game was managed, it just adds to the disappointment of Zona, WSU and the break up of the PAC12…etc. Given how this team has played on the road I fully expect to be boat raced Friday, I guess it free me up to go hunting.
You’re not going to watch the last PAC12 game in history??
There’s more Saturday… : )
I probably won’t watch CW. Likely to be too ugly.
Couple of fun fans at game:
1) One student had “FUCK ESPN” on his phone screen, held it up, and it was shown on stadium screen in a crowd shot. He loved it, so did I. Hilarious.
2) one student had a batman mask on, and whenever shown, looked straight at the camera with a straight, serious face while students around him went wild. Very funny dude.
“Q: You’ve lost three games by a combined total of eight points. How do you feel like the season’s going to be remembered?
Smith: It’s tough to say right now. Anytime you lose and it’s close like this, there’s always a play or two that you’d rather have back or couldn’t make type of thing. Again, I appreciate this group, this senior class. I mean, 20-some-odd of those guys guys got here the same year I did. They’ve been through a lot and completely changed this place, so I’m really proud of this team.”
A lot of seniors lost too.
It will be interesting to watch talent like Chiles, Kelze Howard, McCoy, Martinez and whether or not they transfer…does Cooper have eligibility left?
Nope, senior.
Does Cooper have a potential medical year though. Thought he missed most of a season at some point
The story about DJU considering coming back next year makes it sound like the mass-defection worries are unfounded.
Looks like Boise State may be helping to make these future Civil War games happen. I’m sure they’ll make some coin for helping too.
https://twitter.com/JamesCrepea/status/1726336221817995410
I am mostly against this move because the Beavs will be in rebuilding mode next year with impact players likely to transfer. Obviously a double edge sword as a good schedule could keep players around.
It’s going to take a couple years, if ever for the Beavs to be competitive against the Ducks.
Take the CSU – Colorado “rivalry” game, Colorado has had one year with a winning record since joining the PAC12. They’ve gone 8-2 vs CSU in the same time frame. That’s not a rivalry.
csu has only recently taken football seriously, since Lubick left
Hey! USAToday still considers it the Civil War:
“There are a lot of Thanksgiving turkeys on tap-
Aside from that little tussle in Ann Arbor, the rivalry formerly known as the Civil War* between Oregon and Oregon State is the only other meeting of ranked teams on the Week 13 slate.
*It’s still the Civil War as far as we’re concerned.”
The concept of it being a “Civil War” relied on the idea that the colleges were partners outside of athletic events. That’s no longer the case so the name truly no longer fits.
Do OSU and UO no longer partner on academics or research?
DJU’s little bro plays for the team down south and will be trying to sack him, seems pretty CW-ish…
I standby my opinion. The Civil War died when Oregon joined the Big Ten.
You’re entitled to a different opinion but mine ain’t changing. Oregon is just another random Midwest liberal arts school as far as I’m concerned.
Add to angry’s beginning bullet list: Staff won’t adjust to DJ’s limited abilities.
Staff won’t abandon their own liabilities, from what I see.
I agree 100%. This Friday is the last Civil War. I’ll probably watch it even though it’s going to be mostly uncompetitive.
The only thing resembling the Civil War is geography, but there isn’t a better name for it so it’s not worth trying to change it.
FootballScoop reporting Michigan State has at least talked to Smith. No confirmed reports of an interview.
It wouldn’t make much sense to hire Smith when the cause of their current situation originated at OSU. Plus he has no real connections there. It makes more sense for them to hire an up and coming coach in the midwest/east coast. UW OC makes a lot of sense or Fisch at Arizona with the uncertain financial future there.
Fisch already publicly squashed the rumor of him interviewing. I have not seen the same come directly from Smith.
Maybe they’ll ask him in his presser today
Concerning AZ, I haven’t seen it mentiond here about the $250 million hole in their athletic budget. Evidently stems from poor accounting? How does that happen?
Someone forgot to carry the one?
Didn’t drag to the bottom of the column.
I miss Lotus.
I’m fairly sure Brenda Tracy being from OSU is a non-issue, unless Smith likes to take liberties on Zoom calls as well.
What do you guys think of this? I agree with the part that we didn’t carry our load for years. I mentioned that like a decade ago and questioned why were were allowed to remain in the conference since we didn’t really add anything to it. I also wrote how we were probably better off in the MWC. Of course, I didn’t want that to happen. I wanted us to get better and win (as soon as we did this and began to offer something to the conference is when we got kicked out…ironic).
https://fishduck.com/2023/11/beavers-are-over-valued-over-paid-ungrateful-and-unaccountable/
I think the teams in the western half of the B1G are going to get along with them just fine.
Convenient he leaves out uo sucking hind teat until uncle Phil came to the rescue
The half-share deal the ducks took is going to have an impact on them. Especially as UCLA says travel increases alone will cost an extra $15 million per year.
And I don’t think we know if any conference offered a shitty Stanford-Cal 30% share deal to us because if they did we would have declined.
I’ll have to find the article, but it’s especially funny that they are taking that money, because when the Pac 12-2 were discussing trying to poach UCLA back by us refunding them their B1G fee of $15m and then them getting unequal distributions of some $50m a year… it was the UO interim President who “vehemently protested” this, saying something to the effect of, “There will never be any conference existence in which Oregon receives less money than UCLA.”
Here you go:
“On Dec. 14, the UC Regents met and voted 11 to 5 to approve the Bruins’ exit to the Big Ten. While the vote was assumed by many to be mere formality, it certainly could have gone the other direction — a theme that would emerge time and again on the Pac-12’s road to ruin.”
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2023-08-16/pac-12-collapse-decisions-realignment-ucla-oregon
FUCK.THE.DUCKS.
I don’t agree with all of his argument but there’s no doubt OSU was a charity case for the last third of the 20th century. It’s only contribution to the overall well being of the conference was a few good years in hoops. Otherwise, OSU never carried its own weight until Dennis arrived and the baseball program matured under Casey.
Some success in hoops?
We’re a major part of why it’s called March Madness, unfortunately.
Kragthorpe put some decent product on the field. We were one of the best teams between the 20s, some years. He was pretty much doing what Brooks was doing at the same time. It’s just that they stuck with him, where we did weird things with the athletic department.
I hate Lynn Snyder.
It depends on how far back you want to go, MBB and football were very competitive in the 60’s. Probably more so than Oregon. MBB was the most winning program in the 80s in the P-10. A lot of it depends on coaching also. I think Rich Brooks was a better coach than anything the Beavs had and to think he was a Beaver!
He has a nice attempt at making the Ducks the victim as he berates the Beavs for claiming to be the victims.
It isn’t stealing millions over 60 years if it was agreed upon by all involved.
Trying to portray the Duck success as simply the Rich Brooks-Mike Bellotti-Chip Kelly without acknowledging Uncle Phil is just silly.
Ducks went to the Rose Bowl in 1994, but Wazzu went several times after that and he would beat down the Cougs as well in this same tone. He lives in his own recency bias and tries to push the Beavs into a 60 year window and limit his view of Ducks to a 30 year window. Well we’re the Ducks stealing money for the first 30 years as well? Maybe the conference is owed the money the “stole” until 1994…
Just a duck troll attempting to justify the kick them when they’re down motto.
Classless ducks fans are as bad as classless husky fans and they can go get thumped in the Big10 and never come back.
On that topic, if the PAC survives and spots are reserved for prodigal PAC schools to return, should the minimum buy-in be about $100 million per school? Just thinking it may be too low given what they are trying to pull off with this lawsuit.
And nobody minded a near-guarantee of an in-conference victory and tune up for their team and backups. That was good for meeting win totals to make bowl eligibility.
And yeah, Phil Knight $$$, Nike marketing services, “brand awareness,” appeals to 17-year olds w/fashionable uniform changes…
UW minded in 85.
Ha! Yes! Gonzalez!
35 or 38 point underdogs?
No press showed up after the game…
He also ignores the fact UO would be in the Big Sky, WAC, or whatever, if we didn’t insist we were a package deal, when the rest of the PAC (who UO ratted out) wanted us back.
Also, ask him why their stadium is named after one of our alumni, and why.
It’s related to the formation of the Pac 8.
*and why the timing of its construction was important.
Do tell please. I do not know the full story.
The AAWU tried everything to keep UO out, but, “They’re a bunch of fucking rats,” wasn’t a good enough excuse.
So they settled on Hayward Field being a shithole for playing football, and none of them were going to return until the school had an actual football stadium. So the Oregon schools had to come up with a solution, and timber money came from a trust set up by one of our alumni whose son went to UO.
The son was one of those rich kids who inherited a bunch of money, so his job was basically a philanthropist. So if you’ve ever been to the Japanese Garden or the High Desert Museum, you can thank him and his father’s money.
He was also the chair for whatever the Duck Athletic Fund was called when they were the webfoots. And he convinced the board that building a stadium for the team was important for the state as a whole, and our two large universities, specifically.
And if you didn’t know why the webfoots were rats, it’s because in 1949-50, they were slapped for buying players for several years after the war.
But instead of just taking their punishment, they pressed the conference and the media to go after schools like UW, USC, and especially UCLA, because they were doing the same. They spent the better part of the 50s doing this, and the conference was trying to keep it somewhat quiet, but the webfoots were just so loud about it.
In the end, we had to step up as UO’s big brother and agree with Cal that we would also accept UCLA, in order for the conference to come back together.
And then we won the conference in the first year back and went to the Rose Bowl… where UCLA thanked us by intervieing and then hiring our coach.
Ironically, the only reason the webfoots went to the Rose Bowl in 1958 was because of their pay-for-play incident in the late 40s. Everyone knew they were cheating to win the conference, but they still tied with Cal, who went to the Rose Bowl several times in a row.
So Oregon State pressed for and got a rule instituted that there would be no repeat visits in back-to-back years. It first happened for UCLA, when USC won the conference three years in a row, then we won it for a couple years, but we had to send the CW losers to Pasadena, instead.
Revisionist historians who don’t want to admit that the PCC slapped UO in the late 40s, because they were a bunch of cheating scum, will tell you their greatest rivalry began at that time, because UW voted with the rest of the conference to send Cal to the RB, because they weren’t a bunch of cheating scum.
The reason we aren’t in the same boat as their real rivals is because we always had their back and we dutifully stood by our cheating little sister school, through thick and thin.
Awesome, I had no idea about this. Thanks
It’s probably important to point out that Wazzu also stood by UO, in those times.
Yes, UW will always act like UW, but UO didn’t have to become them to beat them.
Did they?
But not carrying the load compared to when? From 97 on the football team has been competitive until the brief Andersen era and even Anderpants won a Civil War. Basketball had the most wins in the conference in the 1980s. The writer glosses over Phil Knight’s money which put the Duck programs over the top. They added baseball because of OSU’s success. Knight’s donations make everything easier, it can’t be that easily dismissed.
National Championship envy was the reason they brought back Baseball and why we refer to PK Park as, ‘The house that Pat Casey built’!
I skimmed it. I actually agreed with most of his premise up until he glossed over uncle Phil’s ownership of the club (which is typical of most duck fans). True, Phil became involved when they got to the rose bowl in 95, so where was our uncle Phil when the Beavs under Erickson went to the Fiesta Bowl and finished the season ranked 4th in 2000? The ducks would have descended back into mediocrity and years of ups and downs as we have without Phil’s millions. Pundits who’ve had opinions on this agree, without Phil and Nike, UO would be OSU.
He’s speaking in football terms only and completely ignoring almost everything else.
Just another way to justify being a PK whore.
Take away PK and Oregon is in the same boat. No brand, no facilities and no one wants them.
Cool story Mr Johnny come lately
Fuck that guy.
I’m friends with a guy that writes guest columns for him so his articles come across my feed.
He grew up an OSU fan then got his first piece of duck pussy and flip flopped to hole when Uncle China Slave Labor started dumping money in to football costumes.
I tried to post on his shit forum one time and he literally banned me and emailed me asking who I was. Like he’s the fucking CIA or something.
The email in it’s entirety for anyone who’s interested:
“You’re fine. I lifted the ban, as any friend of Darren’s is good with me. Actually sarcasm is a problem, as it usually is at the expense of someone else, thus we do not allow any denigration of another OBD member. See rule No. 13 in the Rules, as I’ve banned people using sarcasm who put people down with it.
Please read the rules, but it just comes down to being nice to others. Fans of other schools are always welcome as we have Miami fans, and fans from Georgia, Utah, Cal, Florida, Texas Tech, TCU and now Oklahoma State.
BTW…I grew up in Corvallis loving to hate the Ducks, but fell in love with a girl in Eugene, married and ended up going to Oregon. Now I am a Platypus, but always cheer for Our Beloved Ducks in the Civil War.
I will change your avatar to a OSU helmet, and you are quite welcome to join the discussion. (We love Darren on this site)
My thanks,
Charles
So he’s a back-stabbing Judas….great to know. “The one who has dipped his hand into Phil’s money bowl with me will betray me”. Matthew 26
Wait… the guy who wrote that article also wrote this email to you?
What a duplicitous butt nugget.
That is correct.
He was also a chip Kelly nut gobbler
We start the game with 19 runs, take the lead, and never look back.
Beavs win 27-16
I have to go to the game. But the open bar will allow me to imagine this is what’s happening. And then we’ll call an Uber for me to pass out in.
Drink all their booze and piss on the floor. It’s all over tiktok as the latest thing. It will make you hip with the kids.
Hip hip hooray!!! Double doubles for everyone after
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Be careful buddy. I wouldn’t go down there personally given how vicious their fans can be.
corporate thingy with clients.
not a real danger.
Yes, majority of carries by DJ – better accuracy and more distance than when he’s passing the ball.
Ha
This UW game (except for weather) had a very similar, tense feel to it like v. USC last year, where every possession and play deserved attention, and the D holding an NFL-bound QB far below his season averages, D held the team far below their scoring average, but came up short.
Lost at least 20% of the crowd at halftime, saw so many people walk out because the game wasn’t going well and it was miserable weather
They all had to pee
there were a lot of people in the concourses.
Beavs #15 in AP, coaches poll, #11 in CFP ranking.
Pretty far fall for a 2 point loss to a #5 team, but 3 total losses…
The WSU loss hurts a lot but not getting blown out helps. They’ll probably be 20 or so in the CFP. Doesn’t really matter though.
Speaking of the Beavs when they were in college football’s wasteland and not earning their keep. I never knew that Dee Andros left his AD position because he wanted to hire DE, but the Pres John Bryne overruled him and hired Kragthrope. Daschel posted a piece from the NYT about it back then. No telling how long DE would have stayed, but interesting to think about the what-ifs.
Tbf, his previous two coaching hires were absolute disasters.
Positives and negatives:
Positive: Beavers played well for the conditions, defense stepped up against Mr Heisman and 3 future NFL wideouts. Ran the ball well except to the right
side. Announcers said there was a beast on the right side and we ran to him.
Negative: Gambling coach.
Negative: Play calling in the red zone. Including long passes that aren’t connecting and continue to do it.
Negative: Officiating, Seeing a defender almost tackle our receiver two yards in front of an official and no call.
Negative: Washington lawyer and the traitorous 10.
Negative: State of college athletics. Money.
Negative: We might be hoping for a chance at the Sun Bowl if we lose one more game.
Smith Presser,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVWiXmf-Bog
Reporters did not ask him if he was a candidate for Michigan St.
Shocking.
Unless the play calling improves (we run the damn ball), I don’t see us keeping pace with UO. We need to own TOP. Basically what we should do every game but don’t and decide to become pass happy.
I like DJ but his throwing really has not improved. He still sees our receivers as if they are four or five inches taller. Would like to see more QB draws when the D expects pass. I also don’t understand why on downs when we need a yard we don’t line up a TE behind him and push him forward from under center like everyone else does.
Also according to this it seems Smitty is on the 2nd round of interviews with Sparty. https://michiganstate.rivals.com/news/new-four-football-coaches-on-their-second-round-of-interviews-with-msu
Take that as you will, we are even more fucked if we lose him, as annoying as he can be.
Elko’s going to aTm, and Fisch has denied ever interviewing, whatever that means.
Now maybe we see why Clemson ran DJ more…he needs to run in the CW.
TOP means little if the other team can score so quickly.
I think TOs are more than important, similar to the UW game.
lol
just dum
This didn’t happen with p-3s on the leeward side of the island.
Just saying….
We did have one who ditched in the Indian Ocean once, and when the AC got back to the rock, and an investigation began, it turned out one of the life rafts wouldn’t open, so someone in the paraloft was in real trouble.
I was there to witness the AC Chief PO demonstrate what happened, and this dummy tells his story, walks up to the packed LR, and he starts yanking on the sea anchor… which has a big tag on it that says, “DO NOT PULL.”
I can only wonder what this investigation will uncover.
https://news.usni.org/2023/11/20/navy-p-8a-poseidon-overshoots-hawaiian-runway-splashes-in-kaneohe-bay-crew-safe#
I’ve seen squids throw out plenty of phantom gripes when they want a few extra days on the island, but this takes the cake.
The poor E-2, E-3, and their QA who were there because they signed off on the LR in question did their best not to laugh.
Dude was TAD to Oceana, within a couple days. No idea what happened to him, except I heard some rumors about recruiting duty.
Coming home from Westpac we were on advanced party flying back from Hawaii. Navy people hauler jet of some kind lands to pick us up. 20-some jarheads board and aircrew squid gives us the “yeah there’s something wrong with the seventh fitzer valve in the landing gear…brake…thingy…” not knowing that he’s not dealing with a bunch of grunts here. Literally every single one of us is a CDI/QAR of some capacity so the pertinent questions start and all of the sudden the jet is fine and we’re set to take off. Get your vacation days on someone else’s dime, seaweed.
I figured that’s what you were getting at. Been there. It’s always the brakes. lol
This guy was attached to a squadron deployed to Diego, and after that part of the investigation, their CO issued an apology to AIMD and said he didn’t want to see this individual, when the squadron got back… in not the same words.
Mama Machado complaining that she’s not treated like royalty and doesn’t receive a free buffet spread during beav home games is quite the post game exposé
Maybe they can put her out of misery and revoke her media credentials
If anybody from that site is deserving of freebies from press events, it should be the interns who do the actual work. Jake Hedberg this year and Carter Bahns before that
She wanted credit for hiring them too! There was Amy something also.
Maybe speculation, but I read something about the Quacks putting together a 3 million NIL package to get Cam Rising to transfer, but he’s staying at Utah for around 1.5 mil. I guess they still don’t have faith in Ty Thompson?
I’d say he should transfer to OSU but we already have BG.
I would expect them to make a run at Cam Ward.
If they were serious, they would put together some #1 draft pick money and hire Caleb Williams for a year.
It’s crazy that this is what college football has come to.
Can you imagine being someone that shells out the kind of money that goes into those deals and your team only goes 7-5?
I would feel like a cash dispensary… like an aTm, if you will.
It’s a new form of gambling but when you win your still out the money.
You get a t-shirt, though!
So I’m watching the morning news, and the anchor and meteorologist had a quick convo at the end about the game, because the weather report shows chilly, but some sun. I’m going to place them both back in college, so I can show how I think this epitomizes the Civil War.
Communications Major:
So some sun, but cold. Who are you picking for the game?
Science Major (after a brief pause):
The Beavs.
Communications Major:
Wow! Really?! You’re going with the Beavs. Well, I’m going with the Ducks.
Question: Can DJ join the OSU Baseball roster as a pitcher? Going this route professionally I would think is a better move for him.
Totally agree. DJ is a big oak tree. Not very quick or fast. He will get ate alive in the NFL. Too slow!
“You’ve gotta be quick and fast to succeed in the NFL”
-Tom Brady
Compensate for not being fast maybe, but no way for quick because it’s mental.
This is possibly the least inspiring sports quote I’ve read.
Who writes this tripe?
Maybe ways to compensate for not being “fast” but no way for not being “quick” because it is mental.
Nobody responding to poor Angry’s butt theme, so here’s one:
https://youtu.be/G4PvTrTp7Tc?si=gsMg2n9oY76I8Y5_
Reminds me of the old Eddie Murphy album I had as a kid…
https://youtu.be/-peWHO6pRnQ?si=tvbf8SuRU8m6jGbg
The way the Butters character was used in South Park, his lines and delivery, so inappropriate, hilarious…
4.73 million people watched the OSU-Uw game
What pisses me off the most is Lindgren and his passing game philosophy. Fades and go routes are low percentage plays. Texas routes and button hooks are high percentage plays. It’s okay to get 3 or 4 yards on second and long, even if they’re playing press man on Bolden or Gould.
So, do Penix or Nix look better in this offense, or do they look slow because of deep routes and poor separation? I’m guessing they hit an open receiver slightly more often?
I think DJ is half a second late on his reads. Gould and Bolden are open on post and flag routes coming right out of the break, but he hangs onto the ball a little too long.
Not sure if this was already mentioned but theres a Michigan State article that confirms JS has “interviewed” for the Michigan State job and is 1 of 4 coaches that passed the first round of “interviews”. I’m assuming this is credible as the article is published by Rivals.
It’s odd how nothing is coming from The Oregonian though.
So far just 1 Rivals reporter for MSU.
But it all has to start somewhere.
Smith owes it to his staff to shop around and get the best deal he can for them. If that means interviewimg with MSU to get OSU to up their contract offer, he has to do it.
Hopefully OSU feels financially secure enough to negotiate with a school that has deeper pockets traditionally.
That sucks. Terrible situation to go to, distracting his own team before rivalry game…
Smith’s had a good mix of mentors, but isn’t too bright.
I’ve said previously that Smith should hold out for something better than MSU since his stock had been rising so much and that institution is such a dumpster fire. After all the blown opportunities this season though I don’t think he’d be a candidate for a Penn State or Michigan level job. So I guess if he really is itching to leave MSU would be a decent fit.
Second thought….Fuck that. If Smith leaves OSU in a lurch at their most dire moment……..TO TAKE THE MSU JOB……that’s some bullshit. Must not have any confidence in his ability to continue to coach guys up and maintain his positioning as an attractive hire for a truly significant program. I guess he figures take advantage of what you can while you can but damn…….There’s a real chance he doesn’t get hired by MSU and has to come back to Corvallis with his tail between his legs. That’s no way to move forward under these difficult conditions.
you’re what?
because it’s who?
Ha!
What I saw was clear that there had been no “in person “ talks. Sounds like Smith merely has an active agent who is further strengthening his position in future/current negotiations with OSU.
That would make sense and hopefully is the case. He definitely deserves an extension so hopefully OSU can make it happen. Hopefully along with some assurances that the program will at least be decently competitive in the NIL game. If OSU can offer NIL reasonably in line with say programs 25-50 in size and prestige, then they may be able to take advantage of the easier schedule over the next couple seasons.
This is appropriate as we head to the civil war. From Northwest University where the former uo president has a reputation for indifference to athletic scandals.
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/11/16/featured-stories/in-focus/in-focus-a-trail-of-athletics-scandals-follows-nu-president-michael-schill/
“Throughout his time as UO president, Schill weathered several athletics controversies. Some students say they still have questions about the way Schill handled complaints of abusive drills on Oregon’s football team, eating disorders on the track team and sexual assault allegations on the basketball team.”
Maybe ethics should be incorporated into football rankings.
Is Kliakov still the commissioner of the Pac-2?
If he is two votes have him out.
His contract runs through July 1, 2026–further contractual proof the Pac exists beyond its media deal.
Beavs ranked #16 in new CFP poll
Last year at this time we had the same 8-3 record but we were ranked #21
Quacks are currently ranked #6. Last year at this time they were #9
Amazing what a little publicity does.
That’s the important thing to take advantage of, in all this. A lot of the fans of the 10 also really dislike this, and we will be a pretty hot topic for a couple years… longer if we spin it well.
Smith on Canzano just now candidly admitted that his agent is talking to people, but that this should always be the case. He also averred that he is increasingly encouraged by what Barnes has been telling him about program finances and a “competitive” schedule going forward.
Remember when people said I was crazy the odds of Smith being back are closer to 0? Hah. So obvious. The only hope would be if we somehow wound up in the Big12. But I guess that’s close to 0 now?
Having heard the interview, I think Smith’s candor in laying out the metrics (resources for the program including his coaches, and a good schedule), make it MORE likely than not that he stays, again, provided he gets the resources the lawsuit seems to promise, plus a quality schedule peppered with 4-5 games against P-4 schools.
I didn’t get that from the interview.
You really want to be right about this don’t you? lol Your narrative the entire season has been that Smith is gone. What are you going to do next season if he’s still the coach? You going to actually admit you were wrong or just spin a new narrative?
Be happy because it means we’re in the Big 12.
fuck that noise
That’s time to abandon OSU sports.
What moron would even want that?
I get it. I like Utah, as well. But they are the only quality in that conference, as of next year.
And there was really never much depth to the conference, before they made themselves half AAC/MWC/low-tier-Pac.
all the new adds to the Big 12 this year have bombed. Even BYU, somewhat surprisingly. Once Texas and Oklahoma leave, the four Pac 12 migrants will dominate it. It won’t be long until before the mongrelized nature of that conference, per Jack, causes it to fall apart. WVU and Cinci and even UCF might get picked off to backfill openings in the ACC once FSU Clemson and the North Carolina powerhouses leave.
What if he’s still coach next season and OSU is basically Independent/MWC. You going to actually admit you were wrong? or just keep saying he will leave if OSU isn’t P4 team util it comes true?
close to 0 now?
I think the possible revelations from the discovery process keeps those chances closer to 50:50
We should take a poll on who wants to see the civil war continue. I’m interested to see how fans feel about keeping it going. I for one don’t want anything to do with them but we might need them for scheduling strength and revenue. I especially don’t want it if they’re not going to be competitive in it.
I’ll start: I’m in favor though I admit to not having always felt that way. At least until the Beavs land in the Big 12 or somehow resurrect the Pac, OSU needs that game, pursuant to the metrics Smith laid out in his interview with Canzano: $ and quality opponents
I’d give it two years.
After that, they’re on their own.
My opinion has been made clear, hard no under any circumstances except Thanksgiving weekend, then it just become a no.
it won’t be the CW. it will just be the least they can do for us.
Fuck Oregon.
In the ass.
With a rake.
Sideways
That’s my thought. If the Beavs can’t be competitive in the game, it won’t be worth the money and tradition isn’t a good enough reason to keep the game going. Giving Oregon a free win every year is not fun. It’ll really enforce that big/little brother theme.
Yeah exactly. No matter how many times I tell people OSU was founded first, is the largest university in the state, has more research expenditures, and more local valedictorians, it’s almost like their world explodes — and it makes them hold onto the big brother mantra even more….”we’ve got track and field and a better football team”, …..cool story bruh!!!
I’m a no.
Rivalries are a part of a team’s story ; this one is among the oldest in the country — they obviously demonstrated to not care that much about it.
From Canzano’s interview:
“What do you say to Oregon State fans who are nervous about losing you?
“They can be confident I’m completely focused on the task at hand. (They can be) confident that we’re battling, week in and week out and that has not changed. There has not been some distraction on that. I think it’s known what this place means and what I’ve done and been around here and I think that speaks for itself.”
Does that mean that you have not had contact with other schools?
“I’m not trying to be sarcastic here. I’ve got an agent that’s got a job. He best be finding out what is out there and people calling. That’s how that works. I can tell you from his side he best be working just because I’m paying him so much. They get a percentage and I’m making him a couple million bucks. I’m not trying to be sarcastic. Any coach, they’re aware of what’s potentially out there if their agent is doing their job. I’m not trying to dodge the question. I’m trying to be truthful.”
How committed are you to the future at Oregon State?
“I will say that I grow more and more confident every time I talk to (athletic director) Scott (Barnes) in regards to the plan to operate and fund at the Power 5 level, scheduling and trying to create a schedule that works. It’s not an easy task. You know the situation that us and Washington State are in, but my confidence grows listening to Scott more and more on the plan to fund it at that level and how we’re going to get it done… my confidence grows on that end.”
What do you need to hear from Oregon State? Do you have a contract extension on your desk?
“There’s been conversations. Some of it, for me individually on my contract, because we’ve won the amount of games we have, I’ve already got an automatic extension. So I’m sitting on another six years. So that part is not as critical. The big piece is just not about me. We’ve got a big-time staff here. It’s just not about me and the insecurity and uncertainty. The staff here, same way. We’ve got players here, same way. We’ve got to continue to support it so we act like a power-five level.”
I don’t see angry’s zero % chance
So you’re saying there’s a chance!
Eek that’s not as confidence-instilling as I’d hope for. Go compare that to Lanning’s quotes a week or so ago when asked about other jobs.
We out- espn/fox said “you lose”. It’s over if smith bails, like nail in the coffin. We’re close now, but if that happens, turn the lights off. There will be no need for this site or frankly any other beaver sports related anything, we going to pergatory.
Lanning is in line to play for the College Football championship. Smith isn’t. Lanning’s institution has a secure path forward. Smith’s doesn’t. I think Smith’s answer is as encouraging as you could hope to get at this juncture
I don’t blame him one bit for keeping his options open. He’s going to have to make a hard choice.
There may come a time where OSU can’t afford to pay his salary. Best paid MW coach is half of what JS makes.
Here’s a thought.
Coach Smith picks up a better job offer and leaves.
Beavs give the HC position to first year head coach Trent Bray.
Who says no?
There will plenty of good candidates out there to choose from. Rolovich, Harsin, Bray, Frost, guys who want to use OSU as a stepping stone to a bigger program. My list is not in any particular order
Two of those guys are non-starters… like, I would openly campaign against our AD until he retires… every day.
What are you thinking?
Rolo’s a JC guy lmao
Rolo’s a nutty nutter.
IF Smith leaves after the Civil War, and I don’t think that will happen, Barnes will have to make an immediate offer to Bray to become the head coach. I don’t think he can both work with WSU to restart the conference and conduct an elaborate coaching search.
I wouldn’t say no, though I’d prefer someone like Dan Hawkins and keeping Bray as DC.
Bray would never agree to that. He’s head coach material. He knows it. Everyone on this board knows it.
Bump him up to $1 million/year and he might.
…The big piece is just not about me. We’ve got a big-time staff here. It’s just not about me and the insecurity and uncertainty. The staff here, same way. We’ve got players here, same way. We’ve got to continue to support it so we act like a power-five level.”
That’s what I had in mind up above. Right now the pool for assistants is more important to JS than his own salary. He can negotiate a better pool from a position of strength, it never changes, the party who has the ability and willingness to walk has the stronger hand. Barnes needs to be creative here given the finances ahead.
Think it.
Act it.
Be it.
No shirt.
No shoes.
No dice.
Hey!
What happens in Vegas….
The more I think about it, the less I want to see OSU continue the Civil War.
Given that they’ll essentially be a MW team, one argument for it was to help boost the profile of our schedule for post season bowl positioning.
But if we’re considered a G5 team, we don’t need a difficult schedule to get to the expanded playoffs. We only need wins.
A 12-0 G5 team will always be ranked higher than an 11-1 G5 team with a ranked loss.
And given the disparity in budgets that already exist amd how much they’ll widen, that game will almost always become an automatic L. It will be like having Ohio State on the schedule every year, but with a smaller pay day.
Plus the road trip doesnt help with recruiting like a road trip to play UCLA or CAL would.
I’m leaning against it. Let them go. The best payback finding a path to the playoffs before they do.
Pretty much where I am at. After this year, it’s not a rivalry anymore.
Well, that was decided by UO and their TV partners.
You’re correct.
It’s no longer a rivalry.
Agree.
Like Jack and I said above: give it the two years for bridge financing and to stem desertions. Re-evaluate at that point
Fuck re-evaluation.
We don’t need to be propping them up SoS-wise or morally.
They made their decision. They can live with it.
Once we re-create the Pac, we won’t have time for Mid-Western teams, except for every once in a while. And there are better names to play than them.
We’ll let Fresno and Boise go to their stadium with the Pac shield on their unis.
They deserve no more.
what did you mean at 6:10 when you said “I’d give it two years.” That’s all I’m in for too.
We need scheduling until the new Pac is formed.
UO can assuage their amorality–via the destruction of a major part of their state’s economy–by at least giving us an ostensible power-conference-level filler game.
Other than that, they can screw off.
“New PAC” = glorified Mt West
New Pac>Big 12
if not greater than the Big 12 at least comparable to it. And that’s before Pac 12 like entropy hits the 12. WVU already wants in the ACC once they start to backfill the loss of FSU, Clemson,etc. Probably take Cinci with them. How is Houston football any better than Colorado State, or Air Force, or Boise. OSU and WSU football, we know, is equal to four corners football.
I have been very optimistic during this whole ordeal but at some point you have to look at the facts and understand the reality. FOX/ESPN saw an opportunity and took full advantage of the PAC arrogance/ incompetence and we are collateral damage for their grand plan. There is no life line coming. After the PAC assets run out we will be a Mt West team no matter what “brand” you slap on it. We already don’t have the kind of NIL necessary to compete at the highest level and even with our best sport Baseball NIL will sink future down the troff (see what LSU did last year for an example of things to come). College athletics are changing in real time and we are NOT part of the plan. Seeing what Smith said today crystallized the reality we are in. We may be able to buy a couple of years of “relevance” with the PAC $$$ but the writing is on the wall. Now with the class action lawsuits against the NCAA soon conferences / schools will hire players as employees. The top universities will flourish and the rest will fall even further behind and secondary sports (everything other than football and basketball) will be on the chopping block. I appreciate Smith’s candor and it’s refreshing to see a coach not beat around the bush but let’s me honest there is no “grand plan” to “rebuild the PAC” or use leverage into another P4 conference. The future is uncertain at best and it does not appear it will be in our favor. It is what it is.
Facts
not facts. Pessimism. The two year life line of Pac money is an eternity compared to the limited room for maneuver OSU and WSU have had to play with since August 4th. Does anyone really think the Big 12 and ACC survive intact? There will be another whole round or realignment, and maybe a lot sooner than before the current CFP money stream dries up.
By the way, Alan Thayer has a new legal brief up at Beavers Behind Enemy Lines. Relative to my previous point, stay with it to the conclusion to take in discussion of Stanford and Cal’s fate.
You are missing the broader point. It’s going to be have and have nots. Even if we get a life line eventually from BIG12 / ACC the $$$ discrepancy will still be staggering.
isn’t the differences in resources between UO and OSU already staggering?
It’s about to get A LOT worse.
Monetarily, sure.
But to answer your question, absolutely not.
I will say I appreciate the university fighting as hard as they are. I was shocked they did not roll over so that was a pleasant surprise but at the end of the day they get paid millions of dollars to do what is best for the AD and university. I don’t get paid anything so it’s time to stop being so invested and do other things with my time.
They won’t make a fun schedule. We will be mw, coaches will leave, and best players.
It will suck dude, and it’s basically happening. No one just wants to say it sucks. We lose, all of us here
nothing is forever, including what we perceive to be landscape of college football. OSU has been through worse, like 1973 to 1998, or whatever.
whatever
Moriarty with all these negative waves.
Just truth
Hypothetical future imaginations are truth.
I’ll have to remember that.
We’re in a position to get at least $150 mil in a settlement and that is more than just a couple of years of relevance, that lines us up to make more media $$ than uw and uo will be making in their 6 year rights deal with the big ten. We will be able to fund at the P5 level at least through 2030. Doesn’t matter who is on our schedule as long as we can fund at that level. Look what Penn State did as an independent all those years beating up on temple and Rutgers.
$150 divided by 2 = $75 million. That buys about 2 (maybe 3) years replacing current TV revenue. It won’t last forever.
Not a split of $150 mil. $150 mil each
That would involve Wazzu/OSU taking $100-$150 million from the other 10 for this year’s current media rights. If they do that they will be back in court dealing with another lawsuit.
nope
try again
Actually yep but feel free to keep your head in the sand.
You really don’t have a clue?
That’s a little funny.
Since you have yet to even look into the numbers, I’ll just explain.
The Pac 12 and B1G had a contract with the Rose Bowl that runs through 2026. But the CFP wanted the RB as a part of the CFP–basically making it (and the Sugar Bowl) like the Fiesta. The RB Committee held on to the two conferences as long as they could, but the CFP came with gobs of money, so the conferences and the RB could break the contract.
That money totals $120m per year, for the Pac. There are an additional $40m in revenues that could be gained, if one of us actually makes the CFP as an at-large, or if we have a full conference in one of those two years. But that $120m per year is what the 10 are up in arms over. They believe they, not the Conference, earned it, and they want to take it with them, simply because they chose to abandon it.
I believe your numbers are immaculate. The total for Rose Bowl & NCAA tournament credits are about $150 million total. This does not take into account potential liabilities going forward. Also the CFP has already stated the CFP will be paying out on a per team basis (not a flat amount for each conference). We will only be eligible for a P5 distribution over the next 2 years and then that goes away. The $300 million per year from the CFP is not happening.
The only play we have left is to sue the other 10/BIG10/ACC/BIG12/Networks for antitrust violations. That would be a nuclear option but to be honest it’s probably necessary.
potential liabilities will be provided for by a hold back from the current year revenue, borne by all 12.
Liabilities are real, and it could all be a moot point.
But we have to continue on this path that was gifted us, until we know what they will be. And if we can use it to elevate several programs quickly, while settling our near financial future, we have a framework of membership who doesn’t subscribe to the ever-upward spiral of wasting more money on a game.
The model we used for facility upgrades is what you will see more schools doing. You see them doing it now, with some partnering with hospitals for student access, as well as athletic training and rehab. Multi-use space allows the schools to justify new builds and to introduce other-than-football donations to the project.
And we seem to be coming to a head on this TV revenue stuff. When we go to streaming, these schools will not be making as much money as they are now, but they’ve wasted their money on sport-specific spaces, some that are perfectly usable, but wasted with vanity projects to wow recruits. And a lot of them did so on margin, with the expectation their revenues would also spiral ever-upward.
the UW lawyer in court in Colfax stipulated that the Pac 12/2 will get ALL of the CFP money for the two years after this. He offered that up trying to argue that OSU and WSU didn’t need to worry about the distribution of current year money because they were in line for a windfall. Thus, OSU and WSU will have a lot of capital to rebuild the conference, including, luring Stanford and back.
So glad people seem to be coming around to the fact that continuing what, in a few years will be an annual sacrifice to the altar of Nike, a bad idea.
???
We’ll just be in another conference altogether, and neither of us will want to schedule a possible loss in an age when a loss is bad juju for late season rankings.
Do none of you even get what this is all about?
It’s all about media rights $$$ and NIL $$$ (soon to be schools / conferences hiring players directly). Who will have the resources necessary succeed? The SEC & BIG10. The PAC2 will be lucky to find a hind tit to suck on. When SEC & BIG10 schools are making $100 million more per year what do you think is going to happen?
I’m hoping they all leave the NCAA, and we don’t have to deal with them any more.
That would be nice.
And when the House case is complete, we’ll see where the whole employment thing lands. That will likely be a bigger issue than just us. It will probably kill college sports as a whole.
if it’s only going to devolve into the SEC and B10, then why the rush to leap from one sinking ship (the Pac) to another, the B12? I’m not saying it won’t devolve to those two, but I like the idea of building something in our region rather than joining a mongrelized (and soon to dissipate) B12.
Because getting $50-$55 million a year all in from the BIG12 is a hell of a lot better than getting less than $20 mil/yr trying to “rebuild” PAC. BIG12 is still miles behind SEC/BIG10 but it’s still power status and with that comes more $. The new PAC will not have power status. It will be G5 when the 2 year grace period is over and the new CFP contract kicks in.
they are only getting low 30’s in the 12 and that might not last long given the shift to streaming. You make the mistake of extrapolating from the current base. There’s a lot of contingency at play. Entropy.
I’m including CFP/Bowl $$$ to get to the $50 million number. Base TV is about $32 I think.
And if you are going to “rebuild the PAC” who are you going to rebuild with? Are schools going to leave a P4 conference and subsequent TV distributions to come to a conference with no power status and no media deal? Probably not.
We should have a goal to get Stanford and Cal back in 2025. Then add SDSU, Fresno, UNLV, and Boise for 2026.
It’ll have to be one or the other.
Stanford’s high brow administration won’t be associated with lowly schools. So either you bring Stanford back or you build a good sports conference. Won’t be both.
I think they’ll have to bite the bullet and succumb to the money.
Remember the Title IX aspect with sending your Olympics all over hell and gone. And remember that nobody from Stanford has ever been litigious or has enough smarts to know what that means.
Walking through Charlotte’s airport makes me want to file a lawsuit.
College football has been ruined by greed and the almighty dollar. At this point the NCAA needs to implement a cap (like in pro sports) for all schools on NIL, etc. If something like that existed you could at least level the playing field to a point.
There needs to be some order brought to this order less system.
Three 20-team promotion/relegation leagues with a salary cap would be awesome.
They are being sued left and right. They are impotent as it is they will soon be irrelevant.
Just watched the Alan Thayer video from tonight. It’s about an hour and here’s the link for anybody interested.
https://youtu.be/BmnJUl7ZGVw?si=sKMYxVPMOhVkw_je
Some pretty good info in there about possible paths the court case could follow. Alan is very optimistic. I want to share in his optimism, but also take the cautiously optimisitc route.
12/4 is a pretty big day. We should know our schedule by then and we should also know the next step in the court case.
Sounds like most likely scenario has the Wash Supreme court denying tje appeal amd sendimg everything back to tje lower court for trial. This also would mean OSU/WSU would assume control of the conference in the interim.
The portal also open that week. I’d assume several players will enter it just out of uncertainty. That doesn’t necessarily mean they are gone, it just means they are keeping their options open.
Hopefully Smith is still on board at that point and we can start moving forward with whatever the new Pac conference called.
SuperPAC?
PAC (Pacific Athletic Conference)?
MAC PAC (Apple/Pac Partnership)?
If an appeal is denied, it’s simply a procedural affirmation of the lower court’s decision.
Ipac or something like that, if tv deal is with apple. F twitter(x) or whatever it’s called
NVIDIAC
For those of you who think you can hypothecate from the current situation and imagine that the worst has happened (or will happen) only to OSU and WSU, check out today’s Locked on Big 12 podcast. They think the 12 may be doomed, and even some schools who think they are safe (MIss. State and Purdue are mentioned by name) likely have another think coming.
OSU and WSU are simply at the cutting edge of a much bigger wave.
Yep and let’s face it when all of this is over we will not have a seat at the Big Boy table. We just happen the be the first casualty.
the whole edifice is collapsing, the argument goes. A decade ago, Angry kinda predicted it. Now that the future is closer to us, we can see the particulars of how it might go down.
Not having a seat at the insecure small dick table is fine with me. These guys are nearsighted and can’t see the forest for the trees. They will spiral on themselves ‘til there is nothing left.
^^this^^
We don’t need to associate with these people, let alone enable them.
Seems like it’s inevitable, there are about 20 programs that are wondering why they are sharing the revenue. They can just play each other and a two-loss or even three-loss team can make whatever playoff system they come up with. It’s not like NFL teams play a couple of semi-pro teams each season and pay them to play. The super league won’t need Group of Five teams for scheduling. I think the current system will be obsolete in 5-8 years, who knows maybe sooner.
They’ll have to keep some window open for non power teams for anti trust reasons.
When schools just look out for themselves the system will inevitable collapse
the underlying information used by Drake Toll and his buddy on locked on Big 12 can be found in an article yesterday by Ross Dellinger on Yahoo sports.
Thing is who cares about the “big boy table”- we aren’t trying to play Georgia, alabama every week.
The ultimate goal is to have a future with at least decent brands coming to Reser stadium annually. For instance, Utah, Arizona, Baylor, Texas tech, Kansas state.
We don’t need Michigan and Ohio state- not honestly is their allure worth dealing with.
Just don’t have San Jose state and Idaho, get some competitive teams, and it’ll be awesome still
Brennan has tapped into some Silicon Valley money and is working on facilities. And he has the team competitive, with what little he started with.
And then there’s this:
In the first six games of the year, SJSU was outscored 202-168. During the winning streak, SJSU has outscored its opponents 171-63.
A lot of that has to do with the Spartans switching their offense from a spread it out, pass the ball offense to a run-heavy, slow paced attack.
https://sjsunews.com/article/brennans-coaching-flipped-sjsus-season
That program was absolute dirt before Brennan was hired. So glad to see him have success.
I mean… they hired Gary Andersen’s WR coach.
What does that tell you about the level they were at and how far they’ve come?
Technically Riley’s WR coach. GA kept him around for continuity and Utah State didnt have any WR coaches looking for a change of scenery.
Well said 2.
I agree with this – as the Georgias, Alabamas and Michigans continue to spend more and more, there has to be a point where the Miss States and Perdues have to say No Mas. I kinda feel that one of OSU’s long term priorities must be that when the top 30 or so teams break away, the Beavs have stayed competitive and relevant enough to be asked to join that second group of 30 or so teams in whatever form they take. Speaking of Bret Brennan (in this thread), my hot take is that he could be the next coach of the Beavs if JS is lured away.
But why do we need any further segregation?
Simply put the best teams on the field, and the rest will take care of itself. Open up the field and have an actual tournament, finally.
What they’re forgetting is that there’s power in numbers, and exclusivity will turn those numbers off.
I don’t disagree with your point but tell that to the networks as its all about chasing the dollars which mean the large TV markets and the teams which typically have largest following and viewers.
The networks themselves are in the ICU.
ABC won’t even exist in a couple years. Disney will just sell it and FX off to some PE firm who will milk it until it dies, then sell off the parts.
Look at what FOX does to make sure their captors are beholden to their linear subscriptions. They’re screwed, if they think gaming people into spending more is a valid business model.
I’m not saying it’s right, but the big boys are probably thinking the bottom half of every league probably doesn’t add any value to their TV contract anyway so why not consolidate again and keep the money for themselves. As long as every region is represented, the ratings (and $) shouldn’t suffer if you’ve got the top 32 teams playing each other every week in their own super league. If it’s just going to be a cash grab, further consolidation would probably make the most sense to the Michigan, Alabama and USCs of the world.
I’ve heard the reasoning, and it is as shallow an analysis as anyone can conceive.
I think we should all get together and just allow them to leave now.
See how that works out for them.
I don’t see how making a super conference of the ~40 ‘best teams’ is a step forward revenue-wise. You’re essentially making a true minor league for the NFL. Yes the fans of those who are in this super conference will watch and follow these games – but the fans of the teams left on the outside, which outnumber the super conference, won’t give a shit.
It’s essentially taking all revenue in the existing P5 model and cutting it in half. The only other way to regain this revenue is by marketing the hell out of the new super conference to pull eyeballs that are normally set upon the NFL. Big time NFL fans, at least in my experience, don’t care about NCAA football.
It all seems like bullshit to me.
And then watch the NFL kill it, like they do every other competition.
In fact, I see the NFL has a game on tomorrow.
Damion is staying.
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2023/11/oregon-state-beavers-have-already-won-heading-into-rivalry-game-vs-oregon-ducks-damien-martinez-says-he-will-return-to-corvallis-next-season.html?outputType=amp
Damien*
Sounds likes a great and loyal kid. Super to hear that he will be staying in Corvallis. His comments show a tremendous amount of maturity and thoughtfulness.
That and he’s probably getting a nice share of that Dam Collective.
I hope so. The total is probably much less than what’s on offer at other places.
He’s not staying because his favorite color is orange. I would assume he talked to smith and the staff and he’s staying because they are also.
Speights and Jam gave the whole team front row seats to what can happen when you chase a bag to the SEC.
Sounds like it wouldn’t have mattered to DM anyway, but I’m sure there are other players who have been contacted.
We certainly could have used there help this year. But everyone makes mistakes and I’m sure they know they made a mistake by leaving. Oh well.
Seemed like there was more to Jam’s situation than just money. For one, he was much closer to home there than at OSU.
Apparently Mich St really wants Jonathan.
I trust Scott Barnes to come up with the dough to keep JS in Corvallis
https://footballscoop.com/news/michigan-state-candidates-head-coach-jonathan-smith-sources-top-target
Lol this line has me thinking this whole article is BS sensationalism.
“But as much as Smith has served his alma mater and poured into Oregon State, he has become increasingly disenfranchised with the nomadic future for Oregon State athletics with the impending dissolution of the PAC-12”
They want him not just for his ability but for no drama and not a hint of scandal. Michigan State is a slum dog.
Hurry, retweet the shit out of the Smith Milking gif and start spreading breast fondling rumors.
Well, it didn’t work out too well in the end for Smilin’ Mike when Nebraska went for the “Anti-Pellini”. I think JS should not chase the extra millions and stay where he is loved, but that is just my personal sentiment.
The irony is that depending on how difficult the Power 4 opponents are in the next couple of years, JS should have a much better opportunity for taking the Beavs to a 12-team playoff than at Michigan St. Then again MSU can probably throw multi-generational life-changing money at him and then fire him in three years when he never beats Michigan, Ohio St or Penn St.
I’d say by most standards he is already getting generational life changing money from OSU. But other schools will only add to that if he jumps to a desperate situation with out of touch boosters and money to burn. He’d be better off to go to Texas A&M if he wants the chance to sign a blank check booster driven contract. They could certainly throw generational money at him.
I don’t think he is going anywhere this year but wait until he leads the Beavs side into the playoffs next year as an undefeated independent. Then he will have lots of schools throwing money at him. USC likely will be first in line after they fire Lincoln Riley on a tarmac somewhere in the Midwest on a freezing November evening…
OSU needs to show JS a viable path forward.
– Need to be funded at the same levels at other power conference programs. Comparable to smaller ACC schools and BIG12 schools.
– A schedule that keeps the Beavs in consideration for the playoffs via G5,
– Salaries for assistants that is competitive to other power programs.
– And somehow put together a conference that is not just joining the MW.
Too bad Jensen doesn’t seem to be into sports. He just made 30 billion in this past year.
The true biblical sense of iron sharpening iron comes into play.
I say this as a student of Dr Borg who disagreed with him often, but got As from him in the process.
When one “sharpens” oneself or one’s face, it means that they are responding to aggression with an equal or greater aggression.
Nothing more.
If you have a different take, you are welcome to introduce your tho
But the “Christian right” is just bullshit hate for the sake of hate.
If I had a prayer to spare, it would be for these haters to just stop fucking hating.
Nobody you pretentiously hate even knows you. Shut the fuck up, and just live your life.
If JS leaves, then the other staff and the best players leave also. That’s essentially a death sentence for OSU football. Does JS want that on his conscience? Does he forever want to be known as the coach who abandoned his alma mater at their most vulnerable point in history?
I don’t see JS jumping to MSU unless the payday is absolutely insane. Why would he take on another dumpster fire gig, with more politics, less devotion to him than the OSU fanbase, and more eyeballs critiquing his process and ability? It will all come down to money.
If he does leave, I hope we make Bray the HC – it’s the logical choice.
Regarding the rivalry with the Ducks, we need to play them again until we can get the Platypus trophy back (assuming we lose it this year). After that we can tell them to go pound sand.
Someone has a sense of humor.
https://twitter.com/bbriggs2016/status/1727001177752215839
DJ on playing his “little” brother:
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2023/11/hit-your-brother-oregon-states-dj-uiagalelei-agrees-that-should-be-oregons-strategy-for-younger-brother-matayo.html
DJ has live-scouted this team, in disguise as a brother who came to watch his brother play.
I think Jonathan Smith should be suspended for something, and we should lose for whatever reason is derived from you know what.
If you know what, let me know.
Beavs basketball starting 3 guards tonight. Only down 8 to #13 Baylor 5 min in.
Now down 13 7 minutes in. Yes, I’m a fool for punishment, but I pay for fucking Sling TV so I will get my money’s worth (I guess).
Tinkle continually starts Dexter Akanno somehow despite one of the worst guards in the history of the program. He has to have something on Wayne cause it was insane how awful he is. He’s shooting 22.7% from the field on the season! Any coach who isn’t brain dead would be playing Pope and Craig both 30+ minutes a night and living with the ups and downs. At least they have talent. Playing someone who is a veteran and the worst player on the roster and never gets benched for atrocious play is insane. Wayne is a joke.
We shot about 25% from beyond the arc. Been a trend this year where we hoist up 3’s and can’t shoot. Think the only games we’ll be competitive in will he the ones where we hit around 50% from 3 pt range. Gonna be a rough season…not that anyone should’ve expected otherwise.
You could have said this exact comment for the last decade and you wouldn’t be wrong. In fact I think I’ve said it every year since his second year. He has to wait for the kids to figure out how win beyond his coaching abilities, and it doesn’t happen easily. GP2 and Ethan are the only players we have seen able to overrule Tinkle from the court. Everyone else is simply robotic and unable to “play the game” unless/while Tinkle is directing them.
I weary of the Tinkle act and he needs to move on but Barnes already messed that up by keeping him form going to Stanford with an extension… maybe Barnes’s worst decision of his tenure.
He really does an amazing job of stifling offensive talent. Rataj, has been injured, scored 2 pts yet this summer he was a standout in some European league. Averaged like 14 pts or something along those lines. It’s unfortunate how bad these teams are offensively.
The problem with hoops coaching decisions is that the extension was unnecessary.
We had a team who just made a Tourney run. If a coach leaves that talent behind, that’s on him. And a new coach would have loved to inherit what was left.
Instead, that talent was driven away and gave other schools a mixed bag of success and Tourney appearances, instead of being molded into a unit who could collectively do more.
You let a hoops coach leave on a high note, because you get better quality hires than you would if he leaves on a low note.
What’s up with the small Beavers script and numbers? If we’re going down, at least look good doing it and wear the block OSU jerseys!
How much longer do we have to suffer with Tinks as coach? It’s like watching Ground Hog Day only of a perpetual rebuild of poor basketball. Pretty sad as we use to have one of the best basketball programs in the country, albeit 35 yrs ago.
Covered the spread tho.
until i win the lottery
I’d like to see Chiles play one or two quarters this Friday as I have a feeling the game is going to get out of hand. Ducks have a lot to play for and the Beavs don’t.
The Beavs are playing for a 10 win season for the second season in a row which would be a program first and worthy of focus by the team.
I agree it may be out of hand quickly but the Ducks may be over confident or even begin to press a bit if the Beavs keep it a close game.
Apparently, the Ducks coaching staff have been okaying last tear’s CW loss on a loop at their facilities…I don’t think they’ll be over confident or unfocused.
Been “playing “ it over and over.
If the Beavs are to have any chance a fast start will be key.
neato
we lost, this is how
it’s inspiring in that it touches on failur–which i suppose is to mean that they were failures–ithis is the n playing The Game last year.
my expectation is a two-score finish, between nine and 13 points for the bad guys.
but this is the CW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope the Ducks overlook us, but I highly doubt it. 20 runs in a row (or whatever it was) has to be in their head.
Just like the Oklahoma-Oklahoma St. rivalry has died with OU’s move to the SEC, so should the Civil War. Fuck those guys. And OSU should give uo a big public F U in the process of announcing the end of the series.
Post from Bill Farley tonight has the latest court documents filed by UW. Not much new, but as Bill points out, UW is not disuting that OSU/UW will have more than $200M in future revenue over the next 2 years to use as their own.
(This has nothing to do with the 2023 media share payout)
Likely a sum of Rose Bowl payments, accumulated NCAA credits and CFP payouts.
At $50M per year each, that’s more than enough to sweeten a Jonathan Smith/Staff payroll, if they decide to compete with other offers. That’s basically a Big10 full media share for 2 years and less than an SEC full media share.
Of course we wouldnt want to squander it, but the money is going to be there in the short term.
https://twitter.com/BillFarleyPhD/status/1727520844921155904?t=2InVeHtC3rmUKEV6DpFElw&s=19
https://twitter.com/BillFarleyPhD/status/1727520844921155904?t=2InVeHtC3rmUKEV6DpFElw&s=19
The Smith thing on Canzano’s show doesn’t bother me. There have been coaches who would swear on a stack of their mother’s bibles they aren’t going anywhere – and do it convincingly – and then leave the next day. One of the great things about Smith, is I think he is a pretty genuine dude. He’s not slick – more like Riley in personality at least. He can’t promise he’ll stay because he has to look out for his family – but I don’t think he’s looking to jump anywhere either.
The biggest challenge for next year – besides keeping the players together – is putting a schedule together that won’t be discounted and keep them out of the top 15. This is a team that could make the playoff next year. Idaho State, Boise and Purdue won’t get it done.
“This is a team that could make the playoff next year. ”
The Beavers are losing a lot experienced players and their best O lineman.
There’s no clear #1 WR to actually threaten other teams unless a sophomore or two really emerge. Its possible, but even Cooks and Wheaton needed a full year of starting before they became true threats, correct?
I don’t see the Beavers as a playoff team next year even with 12 teams. This was that year for a special season. Many of us thought the Beavers were a QB away from a special season, turns out it was a QB and a legitimate #1 receiver.
Does anyone know what’s up with John Miller? I haven’t noticed him since the first half of the season and the participation chart shows he’s only played in 4 games. I’m pretty sure he’s already used a redshirt so it’s not related to that. The only injury news I’ve found about him is he missed the SDSU game, but was back for Wazzu and Utah, then hasn’t played since. Nagging injury or buried on the depth chart?
Maybe looking to get a medical redshirt. I think if you play in 1/3 or less of the season or something along those lines. Would make sense if he does have a nagging injury just to take the time and get 100% healthy.
If the Beavs have Purdue and WSU on the schedule, then several MWC teams, wouldn’t that rival anything any MWC school would have on the schedule?
I’d say the goal is not to create a tough schedule to equal a Big12 conference team schedule but rather to have a slightly better schedule Fresno St for instance and go undefeated while doing it. In the end it is the amount of losses not the SOS when it comes to the outsiders. Would they judge OSU as another lower division school like a MWC school even if Beavs are attempting to create a stronger P5 type schedule? If you can anticipate that scenario, why should the Beavs ever play Oregon again?
Usually the MWC schools have a decent schedule but they lose their OOC games that are the hardest schedule. Coming in ranked at the beginning of the year and winning all of their schedule next year would probably get them a playoff spot.
So long as OSU doesn’t play vastly inferior nor elite competition and wins 10+ games, it will position itself well for the next round of realignment, which will come very soon.
I think we need to play one tough opponent a year. Similar to the Boise St model when they were good. It’s a lot easier to get up for and scheme for one challenging opponent a year – I like our odds in that format. And it positions us to be in the mix annually for the CFP, and a power conference bid in the next round of realignment.
However, like you, I wonder if that competition should be UO. As much as I hate it, I see that program as an annual top 10 outfit for the foreseeable future, and if we’re being realistic… I don’t know if we can handle that. I cannot articulate how much it would suck for us to routinely run the table, only to have our CFP hopes dashed because we got smoked by the Ducks (and that annual beat down will be in September). We should aim for our tough game to be against someone ranked 10-20.
We can handle it.
The problem is that wins are more important than SoS, and if we have to put other high caliber opponents on the scedule or end up in a new conference where UNLV and SDSU actually become powers, we don’t need another potential loss. UO will feel the same way. They would rather go play OOC in Texas or Cali, for recruiting purposes (as we would also choose), if they’re going to play “quality” opponents on their schedule. While Baylor or TTech aren’t the same quality as us, UO knows they have brand awareness we don’t, and the possibility of that L is much less.
Beav, dying’ ain’t much of a living’….
38-21 loss
You gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?
Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.
Well if this is the quality of “reporting” that is going on in E. Lansing….Wasn’t the interview Tuesday?
https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/article/michigan-state-football-jonathan-smith-head-coaching-vacancy–221012778/
I don’t like this matchup at all. Ducks are playing well and want a rematch with UW in Vegas. 48-24 UO. Prove me wrong Beavs.
Hopefully all is not lost and we can still wind up in San Diego for a bowl game.
Happy Thanksgiving ya AB degenerates.
I know know the vast majority on here keep saying we need to run the damn ball because that is what we do best. But do guys actually think the Ducks are going to let us pound the ball down their throats again in their home turf? No way! The Beavs are going to have to pass first, which will then open up the running game. I think Chiles’ ability to scramble and pull it down and run it, would be a more effective option than DJ who has been average at best. It would help him if he did not have Hobbits for receivers.
It’s not a matter of what the Ducks allow or don’t allow.
They won’t have a choice, if we decide to play to our strength.
Nobody in this conference had that choice, except for us.
I know if we can establish a running game it would speed up the game and limit the Ducks opportunities, but like last week you have gotta score! If the Beavs get behind the clock will not be there friend. They may be forced to pass more than they like.
I fear DJ is going to be like a moose in the headlights in this game.
Happy Thanksgiving to all. Hope everyone has a wonderful day.
Usually I’m a big fan of keep running the rock with D Mart, mixing in the QB runs, etc. However, we definitely can’t become 1 dimensional. The biggest issue with the decisions to throw the ball last week, season high attempts for DJ, was the mix and not putting players in spots they don’t excel in. I don’t think a 3rd of our pass attempts should have been 15+ yd attempts in those weather conditions. We completed 1/11 of those long pass attempts. We did very well with the screens, shorter passes where our guys are quicker off the line and can run with ball. I do think we will need to pass the ball and be creativ3 but if we rely on the 2 man deep routes all game like we did last week, this will be an ass kicking.
Secondly, our defense is super banged up right now. It’s probably been mentioned already, but Robinson and Akili Arnold are likely not playing. They were injured in 3rd quarter last week and it seemed unlikely that they’d play according to Beav Blitz on their podcast. I know every team is dealing with injuries but the secondary I in really bad shape. It was already thin before season started with Skyler Thomas out but now we’re down Robinson, Arnold and Ivy. Cooper Jr is still not 100% so we will be seeing a lot of McCoy, Kane and Andre Jordan. While I’ve been impressed with McCoy and Jordan played fairly well last week, not the easiest game to break in significant time for 2 freshman and a sophomore. Troy Franklin will likely have a big game. I also think our LBs will need to shine in pass coverage and unfortunately that’s not a strength of theirs, at least for Hart. He got toasted last week several times in pass cov and Bucky will get the checkdown throws and be in patterns. Need a big game from them.
Sadly, I think the road Beavs, injuries, and offensive play calling will be the downfall of this Civil War. I don’t expect a blow out but I’m thinking Yucks win by at least 2 scores.
Playing press man is not going to work tomorrow, or at least not between the 20’s. Nix can throw for 500 yards but so long as their run game doesn’t get going, we should be in it.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Happy Thanksgiving to you too brutha
getting into the spirit of the day, I am thankful that Angry has maintained this site lo these many years for our entertainment and edification. A special thanks to all the particularly thoughtful contributors to this site. Jack has been stellar all football and realignment season; so too the Ohio and Midwest contingent, led by my buddy, BeeG. Also a special shout out to OOBie. See you Goss!
I second this.
Happy Thanksgiving to angry, and happy TG to you all, for being a part of this throughout the years.
I am thankful for you all.
PHIL STEELE REPORT
Ducks are 12-3 SU but just 8-7 ATS vs Beavers. Last year Bo Nix had limited mobility (ankle). #10 Oregon (-3) trailed #22 Oregon State 14-10 at halftime but led 31-10 before allowing 3 TDs in a span of 5:13 to lose 38-34 despite a 470-328-yard edge. Winner of the Civil War wins the Platypus Trophy. Oregon State last won in Eugene in ‘07. Last time here (‘21) Oregon State (+7) trailed 31-9 early 4Q in a 38-29 loss. After 9 weeks, the Ducks were #1 in my AGG despite their loss at Washington and stayed that way thru wins over California and USC. Last week Oregon scored 6 TD on their first 6 possessions with Nix throwing 6 TD passes in the 1H, leading 42-0 with 444-147 yards. Down 49-3, Arizona State went 67/12 for a TD and after an interception drove 15/7 for FG in the Ducks’ 49-13 win. Bo Nix is hitting 78% with a 35-2 ratio and their D is holding foes to 72 ypg below their season average. Oregon State opened 8-2 as they were unbeatable in Reser but 2-2 SU on the road with upset losses to Washington State and Arizona. Last week the night game was played in constant rain. Each team got a TD on their first drive and Oregon State had a bad snap on a punt for a safety then Washington drove 19/3 (after fum) for a TD to lead 16-7. Oregon State drove 52/8 for a FG but Washington responded with a 76/9 TD drive and led 22-10 at halftime. Oregon State drove 78/16 for a TD then 50/10 for a FG to pull within 22-20 with 10:40 left. Washington punted but Oregon State drove 42/11 and on 4&5 at the 47 was SOD with Oregon State holding a 317-272-yard edge. QB DJ Uiagalelei is hitting 58% with a 20-6 ratio. Oregon State is holding foes to 55 ypg below their season average. My computer has Oregon 40-23 and my L4W AGG has the Ducks by 18.8. Oregon is 9-3 ATS at home under Lanning and Oregon St is 5-10 ATS on the road the last 4 years. Home team has won 4 straight & covered last 3. Oregon is playing with legitimate revenge as a blown 17-point 4Q lead cost them a berth in the Pac 12 title game last year.
#6 OREGON 41, #16 OREGON STATE 20
COMPUTER FORECAST (ORST-ORE):
Rush Yards: 150-162
Pass Yards: 173-352
Total Yards: 323-514
Score: 23.1-40.1
EXP: 43-69
VEGAS LINE: Oregon by 13.5
VEGAS TOTAL: 62.5 Points
+/- Rating: Oregon by 18.0
Game Grade: Oregon by 15.3
L4W Game Grade: Oregon by 18.8
Last Met Line: Oregon -9
Last Met Score: Oregon -2
Points per Yards: Oregon by 13.5
PAC-12
#4 Washington 38, Washington State 28
#15 Arizona 27, Arizona State 17
#18 Notre Dame 45, Stanford 10 (COMPUTER BEST BET: Notre Dame -25.5)
Utah 41, Colorado 10
UCLA 27, California 23
NATIONAL
#1 Georgia 40, Georgia Tech 16
#2 Ohio State 23, #3 Michigan 20 (BEST BET: Ohio State +3.5)
Florida 31, #5 Florida State 30
#7 Texas 34, Texas Tech 13
#8 Alabama 35, Auburn 17
Arkansas 24, #9 Missouri 23 (BEST BET: Arkansas +8)
#10 Louisville 34, Kentucky 17 (BEST BET: Louisville -7)
#11 Penn State 35, Michigan State 6 (BEST BET: Penn State -21)
#12 Ole Miss 35, Mississippi State 21
#13 Oklahoma 38, TCU 21
#14 LSU 48, Texas A&M 35
Nebraska 10, #17 Iowa 9
#19 Kansas State 33, Iowa State 20
#20 Oklahoma State 41, BYU 13 (BEST BET: Oklahoma State -17)
#21 Tennessee 45, Vanderbilt 10
#22 NC State 30, North Carolina 27
UTSA 23, #23 Tulane 20
#24 Clemson 27, South Carolina 17
#25 Liberty 37, UTEP 27
I think two scores is fair.
But I’m struggling to give more than 12.
Then again, this is college football, and I could be shown that gambling on it is a fool’s errand
so, listening to the Packers broadcast of the Lions game. Lions try a fake punt, deep in their own territory. Packers snuff it out. No gain. Packers take over. Wayne Larivee, GB play by play man: “The Detroit runner on that play is normally their long snapper. Looks like the Packers D noticed that too.”
This, of course, brings to mind what may have been the single most important play of the current OSU season: The WSU fake punt when the OS special teams (and or their coach) failed to notice that the Cougs didn’t have their regular punter in the game.
It is worth noting agin that each loss had a mystifying special teams gaffe. If JS is trying to use the BSU blueprint to rebuild the program, he has fallen short in the special teams aspect and element of surprise/timing/type of gimmick plays.
Chris Petersen was a genius or at least had a genius implementing those plays. It may be worth going back into BSU coaching tree from the early 2000-2010 or so to see who the special teams coaches were with Petersen and go find those guys.
“genius or at least had a genius implementing those plays.” and maybe better analyst on staff? So frustrating to hear Smith say things like “we saw something on film that they weren’t good in kick coverage, so yeah, ultra aggressive but it didn’t work. They did a great job covering it.”
I think Smith may be incapable of surprising anyone at this point . And if you aren’t going to surprise, then you certainly have to out execute.
RE running v. UW:
“… incensed on social media that OSU didn’t run the ball enough. Fact is, the Beavers ran it plenty on first down, which sets the tone for series and drives. On its 30 first-down plays, Oregon State ran the ball 20 times. It was effective in the first half, but beyond terrible during the second half. Of its 15 first-down plays during the second half, the Beavers ran it 11 times – for a net of 4 yards. FOUR YARDS! Five of Oregon State’s 11 first-down runs during the second half produced negative yardage.”
I think UO has a better D line than UW, and will obviously have a loud home crowd. DJ has to be able to complete passes, and not low percentage routes down the sideline. So what will they call?
Well lit O-Line is banged up too, which is a great point. Missing a couple starters on that line now and Stark isn’t a guarantee to play. UW definitely played the run much better in 2nd half vs D Mart but the qb runs were there and that again brings to question the play calling of the deep routes vs the quick hits, screens, play action.
Yes, because they decided they need to try to run outside in the 2nd half. Run still worked though. 75% if the plays on the TD drive were runs
Do they know football, or are they just taking percentages and running them against bullshit scenarios that never happened?
I obviously vote for the latter, because it always makes sense.
Right?
Brandin Cooks w/4 catches, 72 yards, a TD in Cowboys win today, and topped 9,000 career receiving yards.
That guy sucks.
“Washed up”, “time to hang up the pads”
Does anyone actually “hang up” their pads?
Do they even take their pads home?
People want to know….
Ok, I’ll bite, We bought my son his own pads, and he throws them in a corner in the garage. I’m not putting a hook up for those nasty things.
“Office Space” “Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison”
https://youtu.be/Z2-1wcJYrWA?si=rABe5LuP-c1Izn-3
Not interested at all for tomorrows game. Feels like we will get boat raced and I don’t think the quacks will let up on the gas. I am afraid this one could get ugly. Horrible send off for our last PAC game. Hope I’m wrong.
Then don’t watch it.
Nobody will know.
Oh… except this
Eggers talks with and about DJ and quotes “Big Dave” on his future:
I consult for a ton of five-star quarterbacks and their parents. I tell them straight up, it’s not about going to big-name schools. You need to go to somewhere where they develop you and get you ready for the next level.”
(DJ) “can come back to Oregon State. That’s something he has. He could transfer, too. There might be schools that want to offer him seven figures. He could come back and still make money like an NFL player…
It depends on if Oregon State can offer something to him to (entice him to) stay,” Dave said. “I just know how it goes in the NIL. It plays a big-time role with these athletes. The transfer portal today is college sport’s free agency. No school is safe from losing a player. When a school comes knocking on the door offering you $150,000, $250,000, $350,000 — it’s not about loyalty to the school, it’s about loyalty to the family.? ?
“I’m not saying DJ is going to do that. I’m just saying there’s going to be a lot of movement in the portal game. So that’s an option for DJ. ”
(for me the combination of Big Dave’s ego and DJ’s lack of fire makes the prospect of him leaving not the worry I expected to have when he first arrived.)
https://www.kerryeggers.com/stories/with-dj-and-big-dave-on-civil-war-friday-and-the-future
I’d rather pay our coaches to retain them then fork over the cash for one year of keeping our inaccurate QB. Chiles on the other hand is a different story.
Also, if DJ sticks around another year, I’m afraid it pushes Chiles closer to leaving via the portal.
I dont dislike DJ, but I also want to give Chiles more opportunity to grow. The 5-8 year quarterbacks of the Covid/NIL era are stunting the growth of the next generation.
If DJ stays give Chiles the third and fifth series. That will keep him around.
With this year’s crop of NFL QB prospects, is DJ even on the list? If DJ stays at OSU, he needs to compete for the job. I haven’t seen much improvement this year. I understand it’s a new system and he occasionally throws an awe -inspiring ball but lacks a lot of journeyman skills.
He is not on any lists. Likely because he was written off before he even came to OSU. He’s a much more efficient QB at OSU than he was at Clemson but he certainly hasn’t taken over a game like a top prospect might. But the offense doesn’t ask him to do that either.
DJ has elite arm strength and that counts for a lot, but I think he’s average in other categories. His completion percentage has been strikingly low at both schools. If he goes to another school it’s strictly for the NIL money which is hard to begrudge him for. I also have to think the prospect of playing some lesser competition next year doesn’t do DJ any favors either. I’m curious if there’s another perennial contender who needs a QB. Ironically, the Quacks will need one, but I don’t think he fits their offense.
I’ve seen him ranked around 15 to 18. Great size and arm strength of course, but he seems to lose accuracy more than most QBs do when he’s hurried and can’t step into a throw.
Sounds like Big Dave has done the math on DJ’s NFL prospects and has decided his best shot at a few million is to go NIL highest bidder for another year. Big Dave has been acting as a sports agent for DJ since he was in junior high. He is a promoter and will promote to the dollars for DJ. It is apparent DJ isn’t getting drafted so he is after another NIL deal as the only shot for a payout form all of DJ’s talent and his efforts.
I heard him on the pregame show with Callan and Steve Preist pregame for UW and he sounded tolerable and supportive like most dads. But this article and the quotes Eggers includes make me rather suspect of him. He is much more animated about DJ than DJ.
If I was JS in post season evaluations, having the conversation with DJ, I’d make no promises and let him move on and chase NIL$$ since his dad is already hinting at it. Comparing DJ to Chiles: DJ has a fairly narrow range of good to bad but never will be elite, while Chiles has a wider range with the potential of elite success or a lower floor if things go badly. JS is a gambler and I think he played this situation about as straight as he could given the blindside of Aug 4/collapse of the conference. My guess is if JS stays and needs to decide who leads for next year, he pushes all of his chips onto Chiles for the next 1-2 years and takes the risk of a high reward for all involved.
I did see that Big Dave retweeted a tweet from a USC fan asking for DJU to come play for them. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him jump to USC which is more in the neighborhood of where they’re from.
If only he could read and deliver on the under crossing routes. They have been there for the taking.
If only he could visualize a run lane.
Let’s get this over with.
Ducks by 24-28 pts.
It could be. I see the coaching staff gambling like crazy this game and some of those will backfire. I’m sure BL is itching to give the quadruple reverse another try. “Look, we saw something on film we liked and who would expect us to try that trick play again after how disastrous it was in this stadium a few years ago?”
We’ll need those upperclassmen to show up today to have a chance. Last week was Gould’s worse game from the fumble, to the fair catch on the 4, etc. Early in JS tenure a lot of losses were due to the athletic discrepancy, but that window has shrunk a bit whereas now it’s just the little things that are separating us from that next step. Being able to make the plays in pressure situations or playing smart and limiting the miscues.
Yeah ant catching the ball so close the ez with so little time left was a nut buster. Kind of expect better decisions by a senior. Need senior leadership to play smarter/better, especially in these high pressure games
Get ready for some trick plays. You all know it’s coming.
Oregon will sell out to stop the run early and get the Beavs into obvious passing downs. Beavs can try to show they are just better and run the ball or use screens and misdirection to counter the pressure. Seems like all teams have figured out that if you can get any kind of pressure on DJU, his accuracy goes down fast.
PAC12 network showed the 60min replay of the game last year. Rewatching it, the defense played fairly decent. Got put into tough spots with the turnovers but they made a lot of key stops.
TOP last year was wild, Oregon had it for nearly 35 minutes.
TOP for the uw game last week wildly in beavs favor yet L at the end of the night
Even though it seemed like Oregon dominated most of that game and then OSU pulled out a win at the end, OSU actually had the lead for more time during the game than UofO.
For more confirmation that none of the pac dissolution didn’t need to happen, a post from the ‘don’t let college football coaches, ahem kalen deboner, make media decisions for athletic departments/college sports conferences department’:
https://x.com/JoePompliano/status/1727345515950461020?s=20
“Amazon is paying $100 million to broadcast the NFL’s first-ever Black Friday game.
But it’s really a chess move to steal market share from brick-and-mortar stores and generate online sales.
Let me explain ?
Thanksgiving Day football has always been huge.
Last year’s games averaged 33.5 million viewers, including 42 million viewers for the Cowboys vs. Giants — the most-watched regular season game of all time.
2022 Average Viewership
• NBA Christmas Day: 4.27 million
• NFL Thanksgiving Day: 33.5 million
But the NFL has never done a Black Friday game because 1) it’s a holiday known for people leaving the house to go shopping and 2) the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 prohibits NFL games on Fridays after 6 pm ET and all day on Saturdays during the fall.
This rule was implemented by Congress to protect high school and college football from seeing a decline in attendance and viewership because of the NFL.
But Amazon offered the NFL $100 million for the game, so they decided to put it at 3 pm ET to skirt the rule.
And it’s an even better deal for Amazon.
Amazon is allowing anyone to watch — Amazon’s first TNF broadcast generated more Prime sign-ups than any other 3-hour window in company history — and Amazon is also reportedly charging 2x more than their TNF broadcast for 30-second ad placements.
Cost Of A 30-Second Commercial
• Thursday Night Football: $440,000
• Black Friday: $880,000
But more importantly, Amazon will leverage its new ad strategy called “audience-based creative.”
This will enable brands to target different audience segments with different ads in the same time slot.
For example, according to Ad Age, Bose will show three different ads using Amazon’s ad technology.
The first ad features Joe Burrow and will be delivered to non-Prime members, while the other two Bose ads will feature different products and be shown only to Prime members based on their Amazon Prime search history.
And here’s the best part…
These targeted ads will also be shoppable, meaning viewers can watch the commercial, place the product in their cart with the click of a button, and checkout without ever leaving the broadcast.
That makes Amazon’s broadcast far more valuable than a typical commercial — brands will be able to retarget these customers after the game — and it also gives us a view into how brand advertising could look in the future.
Companies like Amazon and Apple are only going to spend more money on live sports rights, and their ad targeting could change how brands market forever.”
Yep, the pac powers blinked, and now here we are.
Velling needs to show up today, and Fen probably needs a few more carries than he got v. UW?
Like to see those 6’2″ receivers get some reps too, sure as hell can’t hurt.
And use Chiles more strategically and let him run!
Go Beavers!
Rumor is Smith is done. Staff was told last night.
Yeah, we are going to need more than some unknown rumor.
I want to be wrong but it really feels like he’s gone. Enough smoke that I’d expect an announcement of an extension by now if it wasn’t true.
Also makes me think that the OSU President and AD have been less than 100% honest about their commitment to the programs remaining P5 level.
It’s all over MSU boards.
Suppose maybe he’d think he can do more as a osu booster with the bags of cash than coach?
How the fuck is Iowa 9-2 with that bad of an offense?
B1G title game is gonna be a bloodbath
Beav blitz reporting that sources in Michigan are saying MSU verbally offered JS on Wed. Says no negotiations likely taking place with Thxgiving and CW.
Yea, Machado says she’s not confident he stays at all now.
Any private planes headed to Corvallis this weekend?
Keeping an eye on it lol
That ding dong complains about lack of popcorn in the media booth for bloggers, not sure why Smith’s camp would call her with his bank account deets
If Smith leaves now for a larger but garbage program like MSU then he’s not the guy I thought he was. In general I don’t blame coaches for leaving for better opportunities but in this case there are unique and mitigating factors:
1. MSU actually isn’t better other than for the money. It’s a “little brother” program just like the Beavs are. Yes it’s a better conference so the talent is going to be better, but it’s all relative. Smith will have to absolutely coach his ass off there just to keep his head above water. Not to mention the plethora of issues with their administration.
2. The conference falling apart and OSU being on the outside looking in to the Power 5 is a true black swan event. There is an inherent moral obligation to the program (and you’re own alma mater for god sake) to sacrifice something personally to help navigate this difficult situation. To abandon OSU now…..Smith must know it’s a death sentence for Beav football.
If Smith were to finish his contract and help get the Beavs through to the other side of whatever is coming then by all means cash in at that point. I would think there would have to be better opportunities than MSU anyway. To bail now though would be like the captain of the Titanic jumping on one of those life boats.
So you recommend going down with the ship?
Making millions of dollars isn’t “going down with the ship”
West coast guy makes millions with supportive administration and fan base reaching almost legendary status, definite issues with short term future of ad but still on firm footing
VS
Uprooting family to Midwest in the winter, shit show ad, deeper pockets, big booster base with big expectations, likely to get bounced if/when expectations, real or imagined, aren’t met
Possible jump but yeah, definitely not the guy I imagined
If Smith has true confidence in himself he would try to overcome the current adversity and get an even better job in the future. Possibly even the NFL. This just proves he isn’t secure in his own abilities. He won’t win at MSU.
And why Thanksgiving? The day before your rivalry game? It makes no sense timing wise. If he is looking to jump and he really thinks sparty is the best he can do, man that says a lot about him, not positively
TPB!
The annual gambling war! Which coach makes the first blunder? I am guessing Lanning, any takers?
Now that the pass D has come around, I think the Beavs believe they can give these guys a game. But if JS has had to spend the day talking to the team about MSU, that usually ends terribly. Hoping the team comes out fired up.
First drive will tell us everything. Whether the players are motivated or not.
Hopefully he has talked to DE and MR about them leaving OSU for new jobs and their experiences after leaving.
If Smith does leave, it better be for at least the same or more than what Tucker was paid. That’s $9.5 million a year.
Again I don’t get the timing , why would he take an offer Thanksgiving the day before playing an in state rival?
Not hey we can talk in a couple of days I have business to take care of.
There literally is not rush as far as I can tell , he has all the leverage
Well, basketball is like watching paint dry. 4/16 on from beyond the arc. Down by 18 to Pitt. Positive note, we have scored over 20 pts with a whole 2 min left in the 1st half
I say go offer Bryan Hardin the opportunity to remake his Coach reputation and bring his guys with him. He can continue to build upon what JS has started. And will have an edge on all MWC competition.
Farewell to JS and staff. Good luck in the Midwest and thanks for the memories. Honestly don’t know why he thinks he can go and beat Mich, OSU or Penn St each year but the pay will be good for a short while before he gets shown the door.
*Bryan Harsin
Huh?
If JS is in fact leaving, who do you say we hire next?
Chip Kelly lol, ummm not sure haven’t put much thought into it cause I’m not sure he’s leaving.
It’s an interesting year for coaching searches. Some big openings and yet, rumor mills are much quieter this year. Plus there will be more openings once the regular season ends. The real coaching carousel won’t start until A&M makes their hire since they’ll hire a current head coach.
OMG, I was look6at the wrong box score. Beavs are 2/17 from 3. Lol. Holy shit.
Ya and Tinkle is more untouchable then ever now
My name is Wayne Tinkle and I think it’s a good idea to take my completely non-competitive team on the road to get slaughtered by other Power 5 teams. Hey, does anyone know when we are going to the Mountain West? Oh wait, we can’t be Wyoming or Boise St or…….nevermind.
Yep. Stuck with him until contract is done.
Rumors flying around on boards is that JS accepted MSU job yesterday after seeing counter-offer, schedule, and financial plan from Barnes. Informed coaches last night. Will fly out to Lansing announce tomorrow.
“Confirmed” by multiple posters with “sources” that are “close to the program” with text messages and stories of pissed off players and coaches and what not.
Extremely hard for me to believe, as I can only imagine that if CJS does choose to leave that he would do so with class and not throw the coaches/team under the bus the night before Civil War.
Guess we’ll find out soon enough.
Wow, hadn’t heard the rumors to that extent…seems unlike JS to leave in that type of fashion but with how our luck has been, nothing would surprise me anymore. Perhaps I’m too Doom and Gloom but it’s hard not to imagine the next 2-3 weeks being absolutely awful
Posted above my more detailed thoughts. If Smith abandons OSU in this fashion though it’s an all-time coward move. A true Petrino situation. I’d even put it above the time Petrino ditched the Falcons in the middle of the night, didn’t tell anyone and just left a note in the players’ lockers. Smith has essentially detonated the program by doing this. Right before the last ever Civil War no less.
What boards my friend? Any that aren’t paywalled?
247 and the MSU boards.
OSU can’t outbid MSU for Smith and probably can’t afford to give much in raises to assistants. If they could, there would be a new contract announced prior to the game.
Based on JS’s interview, his agent Jimmy Sexton is driving this. Look him up, I’d say he’s the most powerful sports agent in college sports. Represents 42 current head coaches, including Saban, Lanning, Smart, Fisher, Kiffin, Franklin among the notables. He’s not doing his job if he’s not getting his clients shots at high paying openings.
Can’t blame people for chasing the bag but the timing is absolutely crushing…if it’s in fact true. Needing new coach, conference relegation…it’s a death sentence to the program and most likely the other sports. Who the hell is gonna want to take that job with all this shit happening and what likely could be a decimated roster with few recruits staying committed? We’d need a hype man like Deon and not a coach.
If Smith is gone you can bet Chiles will follow along with others. At this point I might be done with it all. Stick to hockey and playing golf.
Do they have a vet program?
@oj: MSU has a good vet program. Not as good as UCD though…
Yep, if true I will have to bite the bullet and admit Angry was right about Smith leaving and everyone transferring. If Smith would have stayed I think he could have prevented a transfer exodus, and maybe saved the program for the long run. Instead he stepped on the women and children’s heads on his way to the life boat. Truly will be the death of the program. Wonder if there’s still any way for OSU and WSU to put together an absolute scorched earth lawsuit. I expected they were on track for a settlement, but if the program is dying anyway might as well try and inflict as much damage on others as possible.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but if it’s true he already took the job, he should just go. Let Trent Bray be the HC.
Totally agree
The team sure played like it last night.
So some duck fans are trying to stir up a rumor that Jonathan smith took a different job at another college and he also did it on the eve of the civil war? While the team was staying at the hotel, right? And it’s to a college in the middle of some Brenda Tracy shit too? Get the fuck out of here.
But mama said she has ‘inside sources’ in michigan
NBC is in pregame for the Penn St vs Mich St game in a few minutes and they just spent 15 minutes talking about JS and how his team building and offensive style would be a perfect fit into the Big10, and he is used to being at the second tier school in a state.
So my view has just shifted on the topic, I will go tinfoil hat instead of believing JS would jump ship on his alma mater.
This is the capper of the media effort to fully destruct the PAC12. They see if JS stays that there will continue to be a thorn in the process of JS continues to build OSU as it has been ascending.
Once OSU lost to UW last week, media could ignore the Beavs. But the legal matters are a cloud and hope remained among those of the PAC2. If JS can be lured away or at least the narrative created that he is looking to jump, the air goes out of the balloon for most OSU fans and then the pressure to just quit and fold up on the legal side may be the desired result of this is a media created frenzy.
It’s not tinfoil, if it’s an actual trust acting as a trust.
It’s the reason there are antitrust laws. At a certain point, the trust creates a negative feedback loop of consolidation.
We’re not the first conference to suffer due to its actions, and we won’t be the last. But we are the first conference to have this happen while wholly owning and operating a business in direct competition with the entities who fund the trust and its actions, making them a part of the trust itself.
This is a case some hotshot legal genius would love to present in front of SCOTUS.
The added dynamic is that the NFL has an antitrust exemption, and they don’t suffer competition lightly. These schools are going to get to their super league and find out NFL owners have more power than they do.
Or they know this and are already working to be a subsidiary of the NFL, so as to take advantage of their exemption.