07.Dec.2010 Off-season Musts

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1. Recruiting strategy (and results) must improve. We've been witnessing, on the field, the failure of the hidden gem approach. For example, a DE can't come into the program at 224 pounds and be asked to gain 60lbs and move to DT. Too much can go wrong (bad weight, can't keep weight on, loses agility, etc). We as fans get on the player when he stinks, but really too much is being asked of him. A perfect example of this is Kevin Frahm. I said this earlier in the year, but the fact that most of these "gems" don't see the field until their junior or senior year is a sign the approach is flawed. Fans need to realize that any coach in the conference could find gems if he was willing to invest five years of development. Most coaches realize the strategy is flawed, and most coaches go to better bowl games than Mike Riley. Does Mike finally address the elephant in the room? According to some rumors, he is making headway on the recruiting trail (with the help of Gundy), but I haven't really seen it come to fruition. In fact, this week we've seen the head-scratching recruitments of Blake Harrah and Desmond Collins, so it looks like rumors are just that, and it's more of the same.

2. Will the current batch of offensive linemen have their starting roles challenged, or will they be handed the starting jobs based on experience? It is a must that, based on on-the-field performance, they have their starting jobs yanked. Riley is extremely frustrating in this regard, starting experienced garbage over unproven talent time and time again. By the halfway mark sometimes he figures it out, but this year he did not. And then fans wonder why we have slow starts. Depth is one reason, but not having the right players on the field until game five is another. My fear is that next year the walk-ons (who are all juniors) will go into camp as the favorites to win their positions, and that is simply inexcusable. I do not want to waste another season sifting through garbage players from lazy recruiting classes. We did this with Pankey, and we're doing it with the basketball team. That is not fair; we are all getting older and wasting seasons begging for seniors to graduate does nobody any good.

3. Image crisis, new uniforms, cohesive logo. I wrote about this over a year ago. You can read it here and here. Sadly, image is important (almost everything). These things matter. How would you feel going on a job interview or a date in a t-shirt and shorts? The reality is that if you look good, you feel good, and if you feel good, you play better. A marketable, thought out, cohesive identity is a must. An all black matte and/or glossy helmet without the cartoon beaver would go a long way towards that. Remove the cartoon beaver from the center of the field. And finally, Benny Beaver needs an extreme make over. I suggest everyone write Bobby D on their own and express concern. I'm going to do my part and draft a petition to get ride of that cartoon beaver. Look for it in the coming days.

4. Game day atmosphere must improve. Saturdays at Reser…suck. The chainsaw, the bad PA announcer, the fact you can't bring noise into the stadium, the septuagenarians who prefer quiet sitting to raucous cheering or booing, that our mascot is boring and looks more like a rat than a beaver, that our mascot doesn't crowd surf, do anything interesting, or have any identity, that the ads on the Dam Cam show Dairy Farmers of America ads, etc etc etc. These are all major problems. The Civil War had an amazing, palpable atmosphere, but OSU fans have a deep-seated belief that the Civil War is the only game that matters. This isn't 1935. Fans need to get creative and create their tradition–heck, I suggest we start brainstorming right here. How can we make the experience as Reser better? Where is the creativity in this fan base? This problem is mostly on us.

5. Riley must play Quizz, Wheaton, etc in spring and fall ball. Stop pampering these players and coaching scared. If they get hurt so be it, but a major reason the Beavers come out of the gate slow is the players are unprepared in spring and fall ball. Can you expect a LB to tackle when he hasn't done so in almost a year? Riley rarely allows tackling and pampers his stars because of depth chart concerns, which as always goes back to his poor recruiting. He has an extra month or so to recruit this year. Get depth, Mike, and either have confidence in the backup or don't give him a free education.

6. The university must hire a sports psychologist. These players have their heads screwed on backwards because of all the illogical coaching mistakes; compound this with their bad offer sheets when being recruited and you have fragile players. I call this USC reject syndrome. It's a real thing.

A few other points I consider important, but not absolute musts at this point are getting more players involved in games, specifically at the RB position. Quizz receiving 99% of the carries is an absolute joke. Also, did the Beavers start conditioning themselves for the Ducks in week 12? Why weren't they conditioned to the max earlier? I saw them run out of steam at  TCU, Washington, etc. Yet, they waited months to do anything about it?

There are so many problems, but these are the ones I'd like to see addressed and with conviction. Next year we call for heads if the lunacy continues. Deal?

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    Deal.

    Except I love the chainsaw!

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    And go Vandals!

    Did you hear about that recruit we might be sniping from you lowly muskrats?

    • angry angry says:
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      It’s the other way around. He’s your trash and we’re interested in picking him up. Gotta get the facts right if you’re going to have any success with angryvandals.com.

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        At least you are finally recruiting against more reputable schools like the might Vandals instead of your normal competition like the Southern Utah State Episcopal School of the Blind.

  • Castornation says:
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    I agree with the points, except the chain saw.

    What really puzzles me is the inconsistent play. Some times its the hair brained plays that stop a good offensive drive. And the lack of emotion. The offense was starting to play like a machine against AZ. More the first half with James Rodgers. And ever since Rodgers was out, it was all down hill. I had a lot of hope for this season, and now I’m not sure we will ever have another winning season. Everyone in the Pac 10 is improving except OSU. I have been watching the Beavers for 10 years, and the thing that has made me a fan is how hard they compete, until this year. I hope they are reading this blog, but I somehow doubt it.

  • OSU4Life says:
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    Angry, well said & spot on! Do you think that saying we need much more speed, especially on Defense, is an understatement? 2010 was one of the slowest defenses I’ve ever seen a OSU! Can OSU have another defense like the 2000 Fiesta Bowl team?

  • OS_Beaver says:
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    I was the mascot once. I arrived a little late, deciding to do this thing kinda Hunter S. Thompson style. Some girl already was in the Benny suit. I had to be Bernice. No bug deal. I could roll. Well, some septuagenarians wanted me to sit on their laps out in the parking lot and I managed to stay in character. Once the game was good and going I walked up to the Sundevil, stole his pitchfork and ran. He chased me for 20 yards to we had a small confrontation. I could hear the crowd roaring more for this than the game, which we were losing by a couple touchdowns. I kept my good attitude though and did go up in the stands and for the only time I know about bernice did crowd surf. The students were in a good mood and used to subpar performances anyway.

    Bottom line is Benny needs to get some good recruits under the hood. We need to find a couple people who want to go for it and build Benny’s reputation. There is no reason he can’t be just as wild and crazy as the Duck. When are we going to see him surfing from one 30 yard line to the other? For Gameday our Benny let the Duck steal the spotlight at the end without even trying to get into the mix. Let Lee Corso start his schtick, but our Benny missed a golden moment from the universe to add himself into the mix and do something funny. Fortune favors the bold and our program all the way to the mascot need to start seizing as many moments as possible.

  • Max says:
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    I got a new mascot for you right here!!!

  • michaelm says:
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    I agree on the mascot issue. AS annoying as the Duck is, we see him on nearly every Sports Center on Saturday nights. Benny? I honestly don’t recall seeing him the entire season. I know this because have a 3-year old who will watch the games with me on TV just hoping to see Benny at some point. It’s an odd, unique mascot, use it! Get creative!

    I like the chainsaw, it’s a little bit redneck for my taste, like a lot of things the Beavers do, but I think it’s kind of a fun tradition nonetheless. As far as the game day atmosphere, it’s gotten much better since the expansion, but like the team itself, it’s in a bit of a rut. Most of that is on the fans though. Unless it’s USC or Oregon, the fans are just too reactive as opposed to being proactive, and if there’s one thing I can’t stand it’s getting dirty looks or comments for standing up. Some of the older fans have the mentality that it’s only acceptable to stand during a big third down.

    • OSU4Life says:
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      I think Benny needs to look more like a BEAVER and less like a rat in order for him to receive more exposure. I agree that Benny should have more of a “stage presence” and become a better entertainer, and let his presence be known everywhere he goes! Give Benny a bunch of 5 hour energy drinks. Give Benny the freedom to be creative, fun, and entertaining! Have the school of engineering build Benny a vehicle/chopper to lead the team onto the field? The yuck has a harley (Harley Davidson’s colors are perfect, Orange & Black!). Maybe there’s an OSU alum or fan that builds custom choppers? Benny could use some more props too, give him a t-shirt canon!

      I think one element that needs upgraded for game days is the band. I know they do the best with what they have, but maybe there needs to be more funding for the band? We might be the “oldest band” in the Pac-10, but that doesn’t mean we’re the best. Maybe with more members, they could break off into small groups and travel around the stadium playing the 3rd down song, or fight song? Play better songs through out the game too.

      It is a shame that we are not allowed to bring noise makers and be loud the entire game! Reser has the potential structure wise, to be very loud! In the past, after touchdowns, I remember the “Orange Express” train would blow its whistle. Maybe the ROTC could shoot a canon after touchdowns by the practice fields? I don’t know? I’m just brainstorming. I like the fireworks though! Our cheerleaders could use a makeover too. They need to be on both sides of the stadium, not just in one corner of the stadium. Do the rotating “O….S….U” cheer more often! It pumps up the crowd and the players!

      About the Dam Cam, Keep advertisements off during the live plays and replays! We have one of the largest scoreboards in the Pac-10! It is dwarfed because of all the other junk around the screen. With all of the ads bordering all around, the video isn’t any larger than the old jumbo-tron! Also, some new ribbon boards around the stadium would be a nice upgrade too! The sound system volume needs to be turned up, we have a great sound system, then we should hear it!

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        Our engineers built a mars rover that could maneuver over the entire football team multiple times over, yet Benny doesn’t have a ride. It’s an interesting idea worth entertaining but you got to have a good one to start from and then really run with the idea. As great as a motorcycle has been for the duck, OSU’s engineering could give Benny something that would be quite unique.

        As far as fireworks/cannons… I remember much more worthy firework touchdown celebrations years ago, but from what I heard nearby residents complained about their pets and they got toned down fairly significantly a number of years back. That’s at least what I heard.
        Anyone at the USC game remember the half-time show by the band? I won’t lie, I was impressed. And maybe because i’m used to the tame pyrotechnics of now, but they had a good showing of some loud cannons.

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    Minor bowls were apparently not enough for the Pitt administration. Dave Wannsedt just got the axe after a 7-5 season. Mr.Riley please take notice….just sayin!

    • Max says:
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      That surprised me. Pitt has been very similar to OSU the past few seasons in terms of success. They were one win away from the BCS last year when they blew that game against Cincinnati. They had a down year this year but still finished with a winning record.

      What strategy is better: a program that rides out down years in hope of future success and stability or one that is constantly looking to go in a new direction like Pitt or Notre Dame?

  • Stu says:
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    The chainsaw was awesome a few years ago, when they would let it rip right when the other team was stepping up to the line of scrimmage on third d0wns, and it would get really loud.

    But I still remember the game when the refs pulled a fit, and stopped the game and ordered the PA box to stop playing the chainsaw when the other team broke out of the huddle. It lost all its allure after that, its no longer a distraction, now its just nothing.

  • JackBeav says:
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    Cal Tech and MIT do their mascots right. I think one of the directional Michigan schools has a Beav mascot too. Benny was better than the angry, big-headed muskrat. If we’re talking mascots, cartoon (or cartoon-ish) is the way to go.
    http://www.blokesandsheilas.com/Costumes/Mascots/Barney-beaver/806.html

    But why does it have to be draped all over the field?

    • OneEyedKing says:
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      I agree. I love Bennie, and I think most fans agree, but that doesn’t mean I want him on our helmets and field. Put something else there.

      1. I like our recruiting class so far. Being a middle-of-the-pac (get it?) college team is like being a middle-of-the-pack pro team. Not good enough to make a run in the playoffs, not good enough to get a top draft pick. At least having a bad season means we can snag recruits who want immediate PT.
      2. Our OLine is a giant work-in-progress. Usually our senior linemen play well, so hopefully with more experience comes more skill, and we all still believe in Cav(I think). Still, it was the bane of our offense this year, and if it doesn’t significantly improve, next year will be a flop as well.
      3. Can we just get those ProCombat uniforms for all games? Everyone loved them. The helmet could use a little work though. And between OSU, OS, the old O, and Bennie’s mug, what exactly is our school symbol? Pick one and put it on everything, not mix-and-matched.
      4. Completely agree that the atmosphere for the Civil War and USC are on different levels than other games. But, honestly, we aren’t the SEC, where the only thing to get excited about is football. Reser needs to finish construction, and we need some kind of sound paneling like music studios have, to redirect the noise and keep it inside the stadium. As for the chainsaw, I think most fans like it, and it’s distinctive, so I think it should stay.
      5. How about just calling more plays for them. I remember Hass getting 10 catches a game. Run more plays for them. I’m glad we finally tried a few of our old midfield screens, but we need more of that. And I don’t know if the problem was that our guys didn’t practice enough in the offseason, or just sucked so much that it didn’t matter.
      6. Man, if our players need psychologists, we’re in some deep trouble.

      And finally, Quizz does get 99% of the carries, but apparently that’s only like 15 carries a game because we can’t call good plays. Our conditioning was great, I thought, against UO, so why can’t we do that the rest of the year? I’m guessing, again, our players just sucked, it wasn’t a conditioning issue.

  • Ronix1080 Ronix1080 says:
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    As Beaver fans we know that it is highly unlikely that either Mark Banker, or Danny Langsdorf are going to be let go in the off season. As has been said on this website many times I see them getting a pass at least for another season. However I don’t necessarily see the program in a downward spiral either.
    As our season continued getting worse and I began hearing more people worrying that this was going to be the new trend I remembered that the Ducks not that long ago had a losing season themselves (forgive me for having to use them as the example, but they do seem to be who we measure ourselves against). After going 8-5 in 2003 they slipped to 5-6 the following year and missed going bowling. I remember their fan base being concerned much like our is now. However the following season (2005) they managed to go 10-2. I might be wrong here, but I can’t remember any significant coaching upgrades taking place during that span. I’m not saying the Beavs are going to go 10-2 next year. But with the schedule we have and the players who will be returning next season we definitely have a legitimate shot at it.
    Should be interesting to see if we can seal the deal on some of the key recruits still left on the board. A few highly ranked OL and DL sure would be a nice early Christmas present.

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    Couldn’t disagree more about the CHAINSAW. This has become one of the few Gameday fan traditions (the other being the First down chant).

    That being said, couldn’t agree more about the game management in general. The biceps, nutrition notes, and parking/driving instructions need to end yesterday. The crowd wants AND needs to be pumped up…

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      Ditto: chainsaw and 3rd down chant stay, biceps and traffic go.
      I hate the advertising on the Dam Cam too; taking up space. But that’s also revenue, as is the old farts that insist on sitting down quietly the whole game… they’re paying a huge chunk. So how do we replace that revenue? I dunno.

      Just got the letter from Bob D pleading for continued generous donations to BASF. Bad timing on that letter Bob. In fact how could you have timed it any worse than the week our rival just beat us again for the third straight year! Here’s a quote from the letter;
      “So now we need your help to recruit more supporters. If you know a Beaver fan that is not a member of the BASF, please encourage them to join.”
      …ummmm Bob? Shouldn’t you encourage ME to continue to support a losing football team before you have the balls to ask me to ask my friends to support a losing football team?
      I know the BASF is about supporting all athletic programs at OSU but let’s be real here, it’s all about football.
      Our season being over early this year is killing me!

  • mw2 says:
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    OSU on the verge of offering yet ANOTHER WR…..

    http://easternmichigan.scout.com/a.z?s=343&p=8&c=1&nid=3807600

    Rodney Woodland – JUCO WR

  • beavers4life says:
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    Angry,

    I don’t think the USC reject syndrome is a good name cause there are other Colleges players get rejected by.

    So I suggest calling it the Rudolph Syndrome.

    They try their best to hide their flaws, but ultimately…you can’t hide them very long. So, they go their separate ways for awhile(OSU) in hopes to find their way, but ultimately, they get the starting job.

  • Warren says:
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    Also, Larry Scott is now listed as an Athlete on Rivals, so I really do think we’re moving him to DB.

  • beavers4life says:
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    MIT’s looks less like a chipmunk cross bread with a beaver.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Give everyone a real chain saw… I love the chain saw! The noise would be great and you could cut down the tall guy in front of you!

  • beavers4life says:
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    Are we getting that bored to where we say that we need real chain saws for people to threaten those who actually stand up and cheer? lol Wow….just wow!!

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    Every fan has their own pet peeves about the Reser gameday experience. Here are mine:

    1) Showing the traffic video during the game. This acts like a wet blanket on the crowd. C’mon guys, wait till the game is over before telling fans how to go home.

    2) Flashing the “Rock Reser” sign or some other silliness until a micro-second before the next play is run, thereby making it hard for fans to pick up the action on the video screen. C’mon guys, we came to watch the football game, so be sure to show each play on the big screen with at least a second or two of video before each snap, so we can see the formations, etc. if we are on the far side of the field.

    3) Wasting our time and attention with lectures from the OSU training staff on how to do bench presses, or how to warm up before aerobic exercise. Few fans need or care about these lectures, and it’s another web blanket thrown over the crowd, killing any buzz.

    4) Hiding the cheerleaders in one corner of Reser for most of the game. C’mon guys — share the wealth and have the cheerleaders and dance team move around more, so all parts of the stadium can enjoy them. Also feature more shots of cheerleaders and dance team members on the video screen. (Confession — my wife switched our seats last year from the south end zone to the north end zone because — in her expert opinion — I was watching the cheerleaders too closely. But still….)

    I could go on. I’m sure all of you could, too.

    But now let me say that I think all this kind of stuff is low priority compared to what REALLY matters — better recruiting, better coaching, better play-calling, and better results. On this point, I’m 100% with Angry. OSU and Beaver Nation need to set their sights higher. Getting to “a bowl” does not suffice. Nor does a record of 7-5 or 8-4. The goal should be PAC-10 championships and BCS bowls. Oregon has proven it can be done. We can do it too, if we try. So let’s try….

    • OSU4Life says:
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      Amen to that!
      Especially about raising expectations! BCS or bust!

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      BCS game, league championships, etc. are worthy goals, but as discussed before you have to look at reality. Mike Riley has been coaching for ten years and this has not happened, so why would that be an expectation for the program going forward? Obviously, Bobby D. does not truly have that expectation either and I think it would need to start with the AD. Interesting to note that it look like the Pitt administration DID have that expectation and now Dave Wannsedt is gone.

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        Those two Rose Bowl runs skewed fans’ reality. “We were this close!”…it’s almost as if they feel they went to a BCS game.

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    Thought of another “must” for the thread topic:

    Early season performance. The team must stop treating the first three games as if they don’t count. They seriously affect OSU’s bowl chances, and bowl quality.

    Related to this, OSU must improve its offseason camps and identify its identity by the end of fall camp. In comparison to others, OSU starts the season looking like it didn’t have either a spring or fall camp; and Riley doesn’t get them to start putting the pieces together until October.

    To chime in with others, I think its interesting to see the coaching changes at Texas and Pitt; and they should not be lost on OSU’s athletic director or Riley.

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      Yes, this was tackled somewhat in point #2 above.

      I think a must I forgot is that fans must demand more instead of accepting this as the peak. That’s a big problem, too. Riley says he’s aware and likes the expectations, but he doesn’t seem able to deliver–mostly because he shoots himself in the foot and makes football more difficult than it is.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        Interesting to note that Riley does not specifically define expectations either, just that they are higher. We can only guess. In general, it looks like most head coaches get three or four losing or underachieving seasons before the hammer falls. Penn st. and Joe PA went through a rough patch and they could not pull the trigger. I guess he came out the other side and will retire. Bowden got kicked out and it looks like FSU is on the upswing again.

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    Eggers has an article out with a depth chart and some other bits.

    Shiloah Te’o moving to LB.

    Looks like Riley wants to start the same lame offensive line. Jeez, it’s going to be a long off season.

    Feti Unga is listed as the MLB. He looked a little slow at times, i hope that was just inexperience.

    http://portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=129184719305701100

    Have to get back to work but thought i’d post it for you guys.

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      OSU projected 2011 depth chart
      Offense
      SE: *Markus Wheaton, junior; Obum Gwachum, redshirt freshman

      SL: *Jordan Bishop, junior; Kevin Cummings, sophomore

      LT: *Michael Philipp, junior; Michael Beaton, redshirt freshman

      LG: *Grant Johnson, senior; Grant Enger, sophomore

      C: Josh Andrews, sophomore; Aaron Magnuson, sophomore

      RG: *Burke Ellis, senior; Michael Lamb, senior

      RT: *Mike Remmers, senior; Colin Kelly, junior

      TE: *Joe Halahuni, senior; Colby Prince, junior

      QB: *Ryan Katz, junior; Sean Mannion, redshirt freshman

      TB: *Jacquizz Rodgers, senior; Jordan Jenkins, junior

      FL: *James Rodgers, senior; Micah Hatfield, sophomore

      FB: *Will Darkins, senior; Clayton York, junior

      PK: Trevor Romaine, freshman

      Defense
      LE: Taylor Henry, junior; Andrew Seumalo, junior

      LT: Castro Masaniai, junior; Joe Lopez, redshirt freshman

      RT: *Kevin Frahm, senior; Manu Tuivailala, redshirt freshman

      RE: *Dominic Glover, senior; Scott Critchton, redshirt freshman

      SLB: Cameron Collins, senior; Uani Unga, junior

      MLB: Feti Unga, junior; *Ruben Robinson, junior, or Tony Wilson, junior

      WLB: Michael Doctor, sophomore; Shaydon Akuna, redshirt freshman

      LCB: Jordan Poyer, junior; Sean Martin, sophomore

      RCB: *Brandon Hardin, senior; Rashaad Reynolds, sophomore

      S: *Lance Mitchell, senior; Josh LaGrone, junior

      S: Anthony Watkins, junior; Ryan Murphy, redshirt freshman

      P: *Johnny Hekker, senior

      *-returning starter

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Ha! I was just going to do the same.
      From the Portland Tribune article:

      “The offensive line was not a strength this season, but Riley doesn’t expect to bring in any junior-college transfers to bolster the blocking crew.

      “I know we’ll be better up front next season,” Riley says. “We’ll be more developed, and they (the four returning starters) will all have had a ton of experience. They’ll get bigger and stronger in the offseason. Grant Johnson and Michael Philipp both had surgery and didn’t have a chance to do that last offseason. And we’ve got some young guys who are going to grow and give them a push, too.”

      Riley won’t make wholesale changes in his offensive system – you won’t see the Beavers switch to the spread or the pistol, for instance – but he’s sure to install an option package to take advantage of Katz’s running ability.

      “We’ll look at that, for sure,” Riley says, “and have something for Ryan that provides a little bit of variety.”

      ” We have two cornerbacks (Brandon Hardin and Poyer) and two safeties (Lance Mitchell and Anthony Watkins) who have played a lot. We have a good mixture of linebackers who will compete and grow and give us a chance to be real good there.”

      The Beavers are thin on the D-line, with only tackle Kevin Frahm and ends Dominic Glover and Taylor Henry as scholarship players with major experience returning.

      “We’ll bolster ourselves there through the recruiting process,” says Riley, who indicates he will take as many as four junior college defensive linemen.

      A number of new faces will be in the running for playing time next season. Keep these names in mind: Shaydon Akuna, Michael Bibbee and Shiloah Te’o at linebacker; Scott Critchton, Zane Norris and John Braun at D-end; Manu Tuivailala and Joe Lopez at D-tackle; Ryan Murphy at safety; Connor Hamlett and Tyler Perry at tight end; Obum Gwachum at receiver; Michael Beaton at O-tackle and Malcolm Marable as a return specialist.”

      Note the only offensive lineman to watch for next year is “Michael Beaton.” Pretty discouraging. Every one of those positions should be open for competition.

      With people like Te’o moving to LB, and Collins, Doctor, Akuna, and weakness at DT, it seems like some 3-4 or some other alignment could be warranted. Get the best, fastest players on the field.

      Watkins looks promising at safety, and I’m curious about Ryan Murphy there too.

      Random comment: Did we see a single corner fade thrown in the end zone this year? With Bishop and (next year) Gwacham leaping ability, can we please see it next year?

      • angry says:
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        A fade would require Katz to have touch.

      • OSU4Life says:
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        Brandon Hardin (#17) as a corner is a complete waste and a total joke!!! He should be moved to safety or OLB! He can’t cover……. my grandmother if she was standing still! He is the opposition’s automatic 1st down and/or automatic touchdown! I really hope the coaching staff teaches the corners to look for the freakin ball! Jordan Poyer (#14) needs to start over Hardin!

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          Poyer will be on the field at CB next season.

          I think it’s possible that Hardin is moved back to safety and starts alongside Mitchell. We have Reynolds, Martin and Scoobz to compete at the other corner spot opposite Poyer.

          But if the coaches are high on Watkins then i doubt Hardin is moved. I don’t think they’ll move him to OLB for his senior year, just not enough time to learn the position and be effective.

          The safe bet is Poyer/Hardin being our starting corners next year.

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          If there’s one change I’ve been pushing hard all year, it’s a change in Hardin’s role. Hardin should not be a starting CB. Hardin is a very good choice for special teams (kickoff and punt coverage) and in other spot roles. Hardin has good physical tools, and he can make big plays (forcing fumbles, making big hits, etc.) But as a starting CB Hardin makes a great target for opposing offenses whenever a key reception is needed (eg, third-and-long situations). Just send your best receiver on a route over the middle and a completion for big yardage is practically guaranteed.

          I’ve said before that Hardin couldn’t cover my mother on a post route, and I still believe that to be true (even though my mom died several years ago….)

    • JackBeav says:
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      So we get a look at what ‘experience’ gets us. The O-line needs to be an open competition… PERIOD! Philipp should move to guard, and I like Enger at guard as well. With Andrews at C, that means the tackles need to be placed. I think they’ll keep Philipp at T so long as our coaches insist that it’s some magical position that requires years of experience to develop… despite Michael stepping in on his first day.

      I don’t know if Darryl Jackson is game ready. I wouldn’t expect anything from Mau Nomani for the first year he’s back, but he was pretty damn good in HS. Geoff Garner should pick it up in the off-season, and I think he gets some consideration.

      Look at the list of youngsters: Andrews, Beaton, Enger, Garner, Kelly, Lyons, Nomani, Sapolu and Philipp (walk-ons Magnuson, Nielson and Ross?… even recruits Addie and Jackson

      …versus the ‘experience’…

      Ellis, Johnson, Lamb and Remmers… throw in McAndrews, Oshinowo and Pohl if you like.

      Where would you hang your hat?

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        Forgot Linnenkohl… he upgrades the ‘experience’ quite a bit, but I think Andrews will be much better as soon as next year.

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          Linnenkohl and Oshinowo are gone my friend.

          I would like to see Enger, Beaton and Garner get a shot at starting but Riley is very stubborn. I think people underestimate his ego. He made the choice to start these walk-ons and it seems like he will ride it out before admitting he was wrong.

  • dan says:
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    Why not a bootleg? Katz can run . With all the tipped passed and no pass protection . Why didn’t we fake Quizz up the middle and bootleg.

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      Seemed like as the season progressed Katz was running not to get hit or hurt instead of trying to actually gain yards like he did in the Arizona game. He will need to be re-programmed if he is going to run as a weapon next year. Damn,the effects of this bad offensive line run deep.

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    There are a lot of comments about how slow Feti Unga looked at times, but there were a couple things he did that Wilson and Robinson failed to do. He played with good leverage inside, and he played downhill. I rarely saw him take a bad angle or get handled.

    Compare that with Roberson (handled and poor leverage most games… but he had some speed) and Pankey (need I expound?).

    Graduation gives us the LB crew we needed to start the season. And Bibbee will likely beat out Feti for a starting role. I got the feeling Riley was ‘this close’ to yanking Bibbee’s planned redshirt year.

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      I agree. I’m much more of a fan of Feti vs. Wilson/Robinson. He just seemed slow to re-act at times, which is expected with his limited playing time. I’m itching to see what Bibbee can do.

      Teams worked to Pankey’s side all year. I’m sure the other Pac10 coaches were very happy Riley stuck with him. Ugh… i hate to keep rehashing this subject but he was just… soo… bad… Will be nice to not have that glaring weakness next season.

      I’d like to see Collins, Bibbee, Doctor starting with the Ungas and Akuna rotated in.

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    No comments on who sits at the back-up QB position?

    And why even pretend that there’s a ‘two’ part of the two-deeps at TB?

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      Interesting to see Mannion there. I think he’s has tools that will push Katz more than Vaz. Riley and Lang seem to be really high on Mannion so maybe they’re throwing him a bone so he doesn’t transfer.

  • OSU4Life says:
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    Somebody needs to teach Ryan Katz that it’s okay to throw the ball away to avoid getting sacked! Also, he locks on to his primary receiver, and doesn’t process his checkdown receivers. This is a Must during this offseason!

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      Agree completely. Vaz checked down well when he was in the game. I’m not sure if that was him reading the D or a lack of trust in his arm. Katz has almost too much confidence in his big play ability, looking for it on every snap.

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      Katz thinking you can come back from sacks for losses of 10-12 yards or even 6 yards was one of the BIGGEST contributors to stalling drives, rarely finding rythym and offensive inconsistently and lack of production. WHy do we think Riley is very good when he can’t teach the basic throwaway that you see all the time in the SEC when required and by those who “get” football and that the SINGLE most important factor is staying on the field on offense longer and keeping your defense off the field at every opportunity. Taking sacks was the #1 factor if you really look at game tape as why we lost quite a few more games this year.

      On a side note I like the all black helmets as long as there is a stripe. I think we can handle not exposing our logo there as long as it is on the pants like it was with the Giant Killers. Ohio State does it and they are one of the premier brands. I also slightly prefer the old “O” logo because as Beavers it is our job to claim the state of Oregon is just as much about us as it is the UofO. I think us using the block O and then going out and trying to make that more representative to our state is a good ideal to live up to and fight for, plus it connects us to the classic and traditional “O” on all the letter jackets. I think if we had a big Orange O in the middle of Reser with slightly improved Giant Killer unis, that lessen the white part of the stripes, that we would maximize our Oregon State brand. They would look classic, tough, sleek and cool and totally Oregon State. This is the Beaver State so we might as well claim Oregon for the Beavers by using the classic block “O”.

      Combine this with a better gameday experience and Reser will be a great and loud place to play in the Pac-12 North that has a very cool identity that the fans enjoy, support and understand. Its time to retire the angry beaver.

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        interesting – Riley has said time-of-possession is the most overrated stat. I think chip Kelly might agree.

        I like using OSU because its the defining most crowd-involving cheer at Reser. The ” O”as a brand has been taken by UO, like it or not. OSU would just ve accused of copying a more successful program.

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    I wonder if there will be a decision after signing/letter on intent day in regards to the Offensive Coordinator? That might be why Mike Riley said he wants the coaching staff to remain in tact?

    If there is a change at the OC position, I think it will be because Langsdorf accepts a head coaching position somewhere else. Rather than Mike Riley making it public that he wanted a change, instead it will be handled from within. For example Jay Locey moved from TE and Receivers coach to OC, and Danny moved from OC to QB coach, or whatever.

    If Danny Langsdorf does stay, he must have a great season to keep his job! He is just too predictable and inept, and it’s been that way for years!

    Agree or disagree, that’s my .02 (two cents)!

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      “[Danny Langsdorf] is just too predictable and inept, and it’s been that way for years!”

      You know what’s predictable? The offense struggling when we have a relatively young/underskilled offensive line and a new quarterback.

      If you give ‘offensive genius’ Chip Kelly our offensive line, Oregon would have struggled this year as well.

      As our guys get better/stronger or we replace them with better players, the offense will be fine.

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        I disagree. Chip Kelly has made it clear that he plans on being in a BCS Bowl EVERY year. Riley just stated two days ago that they failed in their primary goal of making any bowl game. The fans have stated they could care less unless the Beavers are in a Holiday Bowl or higher and Riley STILL is obsessed with keeping the main goal just “any bowl.” We have to assume that this is because his contrcat treats 6-6 the same as 10-2. As long as he is in a bowl he gets an extension so it would be the same as 10-2 and an Alamo Bowl. This is a HUGE mistake and it has meant mediocrity will be the norm and something better than a few points in a Sun Bowl will be rare. Nowhere near high enough expectations. The worse thing is he talks like this all the time while Chip Kelly refuses to utter a single word that is not in line with his BCS Bowl every year expectations. It will continue to be tough being a Beaver Fan until our coaches exude more confidence and true belief in the program to achieve high goals.

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          I belive we should force Riley out next year if we don’t atleast make a Holiday Bowl in 2011. The main reason is because he absolutely refuses to raise expectations one miilimeter. He is satisfied with Kraft Hunger and New Mexico Bowls even when the fans have stated they are not impressed. Something has to give or these bowls will continue to be seen as OK for the program, when in fact they are irrelevant in the national landscape. If you aren’t a top 15 program you should be actively trying new things to energize the fan base and program to become one. But each year we get the same old “any bowl is OK” pile of doo doo.

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        Further, the young/new people are all Riley recruits who have been in his system. In fact, I think Katz graduated early and had an extra spring camp to facilitate his development. Darren Thomas is a sophomore too (which is kind of scary), but Kelly has him performing well early in his collegiate career.

        Kelly is clearly the better coach than Riley, and its not just his system. Its his mindset, deliberate, controlled aggression, high standards, and attention to detail.

        One of the compelling aspects of Kelly’s offensive system, and his coaching, is it makes things simple for his players, difficult for opposing defenses. In contrast, Riley’s “pro” system takes demonstrably more time to learn. Simple is better than complicated, winning is better than losing.

        As for the offensive line, I think Kelly would start the most athletic players that demonstrated the ability to perform. And they’d be able to run block.

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      I think you’re right. Langsdork will probably stay, but if things go bad Riley will take over play calling and demote him.

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    I think Langsdorf will stay but could see an expanded role for Locey; either Locey or Riley calling plays.

    Regardless of play calling an improvement in fundamentals and picking up the pace on offense would be worthwhile. If more basic plays have to be called to run w/o huddle I think the result would be an improvement IF fundamentals (blocking, QB play) are significantly improved.

    Here’s hoping Riley can get the team to really FOCUS on only one game at a time; simple to say but severely lacking this year!

  • Warren says:
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    God, I hope we can switch Moreland. He’d be a beast for us.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    QB: *Ryan Katz, junior; Sean Mannion, redshirt freshman

    In the past when something like this happens one or more QBs on the roster bailout.

    Vaz or Lomax or both?

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      I think Vaz stays because the line is so bad that he realizes he’s one play away from starting. Unless someone can guarantee him a starting job, but who would do that based on what he’s shown?

      I can’t believe the quotes I’m reading from Riley about the line…that he’s sticking with that batch. Really disheartening to hear.

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    I’m taking a “wait and see” approach.

    Like Angry, I’m concerned about the “status quo” statements that Mike Riley is making. Taking those statements at face value, nothing much is going to change between now and September 2011 — and that would be very bad. But perhaps — behind the scene — there is change brewing, and Riley doesn’t want to talk about it yet. I’m willing to wait and see on that.

    If Riley (and Bobby D) make no significant changes before September 2011, we can expect the 2011 season to be another downer. When that 2011 season ends (in another mediocre bowl game, or perhaps no bowl game at all, and with the Rodgers brothers leaving), big-time change will be almost certain to happen.

    Or, if Riley (and Bobby D) DO make significant changes before September 2011, then perhaps the Beavers and their fans will have an up-year in 2011, and the program will be headed in a better direction.

    Either way, I’m willing to wait and see.

    But, as Angry says, “Next year we call for heads if the lunacy continues.” Exactly right….

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Angry,

    I agree on all points and I really think the easiest part of this solution is to solidify our offensive and defensive lines.

    To that end I went on a hunt to find out if there were any, and based on something I shared in the forum, I found some information on a guy that might be at OSU already.

    His name is David Vieru, from Centennial High School. He is a guard/defensive tackle from Centennial High School.

    Here’s a video of him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h3jh8OO3z4

    Looks like he can stand up pretty big dudes from the other school. I think he makes a good pick up as he seems to have ability on both ends. State champion wrestler. People tell me he’s a hard worker and has been rehabbing a shoulder. From what I’ve been told by some reliable sources, the guy is a hard worker with a good GPA. Maybe if somebody wants to check the directory and see if he’s there? Could be a walk-on

    As for me, I’m impressed. I think he plays with a pretty mean streak- something we need. I hope he finds his way on the team.

  • Warren says:
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    Looks like Cooks and Jackson are starting to work on the recruiting trail, as Torian White now has interest in us and will visit next month. I’d love to add another athletic tackle to the list!

    • JackBeav says:
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      He was at Arizona last weekend. But if he wants to do what Cooks and Jackson have done, he wouldn’t hurt my feelings.

      You know who should be recruiting him? Woods and Agnew should be text/FB/myspace/Twitter buddies with young Mr. White and just hounding him.

      I know USC has been in both ears and screaming at him as only Fink and Ogre know how to do. Maybe they’ve softened him on UCLA so we can nab him with the whole gee-golly/Coach Cav (good cop/bad cop?) act.

  • Warren says:
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    By recruiting guys from winning schools like Scott and Wynn, it helps develop pipelines in those areas.

    Never hurts to have too much Cali swag either.

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      Ward and Anderson were the big gets from De La Salle… at least in terms of opening a pipeline. I don’t know if you were around last winter, but I was screaming about getting Ward just for the player that he is. That personal assessment woud not have been as high without knowing the work ethic of his HS program.

  • Seligne says:
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    1. I could not agree more with you about the importance of image, or, as it is more popularly known these days, branding. The U of O has trounced the Beavers on this score. Their toilet seat “O” is terrific and their uniforms are ballsy and probably a big draw for 19-year old players. The recent move the the “OS” logo looks to me as if we have regressed to 1957. In the absence of anything better, I much preferred the old “Block O”. In general, I prefer the spartan look of Nebraska, Penn State, et al. I raised this issue on the Oregonian’s OSU football forum, I got murdered by people who claimed I was full of shit. There does not seem to be much imagination from Beaver fans on this topic.
    2. I did my BA at OSU and my grad degrees at UO. Is there a term for those of us who claim allegiance to both schools? Bucks? Deavers? Etc.

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