08.Feb.2013 Ranking the 2013 Recruiting Class

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First off, great work by Riley and staff. The classes keep getting better each year. Needed DT/CBs and stockpiled quality players are those positions.

Very difficult class to rank because there are so many good players. Gave it a shot anyway. Rankings are in order (e.g. Hunt > Nelson, etc). Some guys (e.g. Huatau) had inconclusive film (shot at weird angle, player wasn't highlighted, etc).

 

*****

Dashon Hunt

Hunter Jarmon (Looks like Dez Bryant to me)

Steven Nelson

****

Corey Lawrence (love this guy, reminds me of Randall Cobb). Only thing that might hold him back is no natural position.

Charlie Tuaau

Brandon Arnold

Edwin Delva

Kyle Peko (if he can stay in school)

Victor Bolden

***

Lyndon Tulimasealii

Sean Harlow (I know a lot of people think this guy is 4 or 5 talent, I don't see it. High 3-star/good player but not elite).

Charles Okonkwo

Damian Haskins

Kyle Kempt

Lawrence Mattison

Jordan Villamin

Walter Jones

Justin Strong

Terin Solomon

Titus Failauga

Siale Huatau

**

Michael Greer (warmed up to him a little. Big weakness is lateral speed).

Darrell Songy

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  • Beavblazer says:
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    If Taylor is on that list, where do you put him? Im not thinking Williams is a possibility any longer.

    • angry says:
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      I only saw his RB film, and I think he’s being recruited as a CB, so I can’t say. I do think his speed is overstated a bit from what I saw. I think Bolden is faster.

      • f says:
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        wr

      • Bill says:
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        Taylor is fast, but doesn’t play up to his track speed.

        If he’s got good hands, he’d be a great return man. That’s where he’d project. hard to say he’d even be a decent corner. Maybe some kind of scat back at best.

        • angry says:
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          I think he should to go ASU and run track. But I’d take him.

          • beavergopher says:
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            I think he should become a Beaver and house a KO return against the Dawgs next season.

            • Beaver Byte says:
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              I think he could be great for our return game and to provide a second breakout option opposite Brandin Cooks for fly sweeps and to keep defenses honest and spread out in the passing attack. Marable right now you just want to take a knee even if 1 yard deep. That changes with Tatum and OSU will get a couple highlight reels that show on ESPN and could help win a couple key games that could be the difference for a Rose Bowl with the Ducks possibly taking a small step back to Earth. Tatum has the potential to be a very popular football player at OSU.

          • locusimperium says:
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            I want him for our track program

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    Go future Beavs!

  • Jack says:
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    Solomon is on top for me. The same people who touted Su’a Cravens as an all-world can’t miss prospect as a junior watched both him and Solomon play this last year. And Solomon was selected as the defensive MVP for their division. Cravens got all-state on hype alone. He’s still a great prospect. But Solomon is better.

    Plus… there’s this:
    http://blog.pe.com/hs-gametime/2012/11/01/football-hair-raising-consequences-for-murrieta-valley-star/

  • bone says:
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    I agree with the list, especially Hunter Jarmon, love the way he catches passes in traffic. The one player I think should be higher is Terin Solomon, the guy flies around and really hits people.

  • angry says:
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    I knew I’d take heat for Solomon. I could be wrong so let’s get that out of the way. But what I see: a big hitter who is average in all other facets. I think it’s natural to watch big hits and get pumped up/assume the guy is great. Let’s dub this “big hit bias”. Tackles high/out of control and isn’t great in coverage, though. One other thing I didn’t like is that he looked nonchalant…like the game comes easy to him so he doesn’t give max effort all the time. I think mid to lower 3-star is fair.

    Jack–#1 prospect?? Really?

    • Jack says:
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      I don’t see him as out of control or even hitting big. He tackles hard, but he’s on the ball and keeps his head up.

      When you have 178 tackles and another 20 game-changing plays (FR, BK, BP, INT) in 12 games… and playing a handful of plays on offense each game as well… then maybe max effort is another 30% over those numbers?

      • whatever says:
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        I’m stoked for this kid as well.

        I think he’s exactly what Coach Bray was talking about with hybrid DB/LB players. Biggish and really fast. I could see him getting significant early playing time.

  • f says:
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    good list. Personally I think Peko and Delva need to be higher. As should Tulimaseali.

    Kempt, Bolden, Tauau too high.

    I wouldn’t put Jarmon that high but he is gonna be a stud

    Villamin should be onthe list. He’s big, but also very talented.

  • Bill says:
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    No rating in Fred Lauina? haha.

    I did find some film on him and he didn’t look half bad. Likely a guard. He certainly has the frame but is a project. In his film, his best quality was once he got his hands on the defender, they had no chance. At best a guy who could fill in year 3 or 4. 2 stars.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    The staff are really to be commended for getting, and keeping, this class. The coaching staff appeared to have a very late start in comparison to other Pac schools (and to NCAA DI Football), but they really appeared to have come through on this class.

    I am not good at evaluating film, but I like Onkonkwo, especially as a late pick up, and he sounds like he has brains, always a good thing. Morevoer, I like that he’s going to be learning from Perry, and likely maximize his collegiate potential as a CB.

    I may be oversold on the RB’s but I like Mattison’s size and Haskin’s attitude in the “international bowl;” yeah, dicey competition level I’m sure, but he ran hard in a game where pride and effort are probably the main things for which to play. I know he’ll face markedly different competition week in and out as a Beav, but I like these two as part of a RB stable.

    Given the number of RBs’ OSU has, I almost wonder if Mattison couldn’t be converted to a MLB. TCU took a HS RB and turned him into a very effective DE (can’t remember his name), seems like Mattison could help out with a weak middle. I’m sure he’s not interested in such a switch, more of a “what if” comment….

    I’m also struck by how much I’ve warmed to the ideas of the WRs in this class. I once thought there were over-recruiting this position, but I really like the depth/diversity they’re developing here.

    • angry says:
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      Onkonkwo reminds me of Rashad Reynolds. I think he’ll be that level player.

      Mattison converting to LB? Another McCants huh?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        No, I think he moves WAY better than McCants. I’d put money on Mattison being an effective RB, definitely better than McCants there. Just seems like its been a long time since OSU had a big, fast, MLB that could really move and hit and MLB is an area of greater need than RB.

        I didn’t think McCants had the lateral movement or the attitude to deliver hits as a LB. I think he would have been indecisive, slow to react, and been run over too often. Seemed like a nice kid, too nice for MLB.

  • angry says:
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    Why is Corey Lawrence so under the radar? No big offers, not much excitement about his commitment…

    I know I fall in love with an off the radar guy ever year (hellooo Richie) but come on, the guy has mad skills.

    and

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/01-27446433/rivals-spotlight-corey-lawrence-juniorhighlights-27847124.html

  • Timber2002 says:
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    Manase Hungalu didn’t even make the list?

  • Jack says:
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    You think Songy is a 2*?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      I like the way he avoids blockers without taking himself out of the play (at least in his highlights), he also seems to wrap up runners around the hips/thighs taking away their power and preventing them from breaking tackles. Short film, but that film looks good.

      I also believe that its good to have some kids from Texas and/or the southeast because they take football so differently. The “Just glad to be here” attitude rarely is expressed by these players, football is religion down there. That attitude – also seen in the Rodgers brothers who were the first recruits I remember in a LONG time talking about “the goal is to be playing in January” – offsets some of the complacency that seemed to be settling in with the program.

      Course I said that about Agnew as well, and he continues to be untrustworthy with the ball…

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Steven Nelson is another guy originally from the south and he left a tweet talking about OSU winning BCS titles. That’s the kind of attitude you want. You want guys coming in who set high expectations and expect to be the best.

  • beavergopher says:
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    Any news on any PWO’s for this year?

  • beavergopher says:
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    Blurb about over and under rated prospects. Pac 12 cited and a surprise rodent sighting.
    All recruits look good after LOI day, but proof is usually two or three years after the fact.

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot…-past-10-years

  • ean says:
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    Looks like we landed a JC DE named Charles Tuaau. Not sure how good he is but it is a position of need.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    Angry – how far back did you start making these lists? It’d interesting to see which players you rated too high/low once they’ve been in the program for a few years.

  • TurdBurglar says:
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    Angry – pretty good rankings overall. However, the coaches would HIGHLY disagree with you on Harlow. Out of all the recruits, MR is most excited about Harlow. Don’t be surprised if he finds his way into the starting rotation this coming year…He will NOT redshirt.

    • angry says:
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      2010
      http://angrybeavs.com/category/rankings

      • beavergopher says:
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        Angry, spot on about Hamlett. Dude is slow.

        • bone says:
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          He has enough speed for a tight end. But he is a pretty reliable target who should only get better. Against Texas he was our best receiving threat.

          You can also see how much recruiting has picked up after that 2010 class.

          • beavergopher says:
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            Enough speed to be a slow TE. He is a decent player. but if he had more speed, some of the screens in the Alamo bowl could have been much bigger plays.

            • mb says:
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              Jerry Rice was/is slow. Mike Hass was/is slow. Speed is mostly irrelevent for a tight end in most offenses..

              • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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                what does that have to do with the rice of rice in china? Neither Jerry Rice nor Mike Hass are/were tight ends

                • mb says:
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                  Good point. My bad analagy. All I know is that I saw Hamlet beat Cal on medium deep patterns. He may have crawled for all I know. He just gets open.

              • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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                Jerry Rice being slow was a myth.

                • GoBeavs90 says:
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                  He did run a 4.71 40 yard dash

                  • beavergopher says:
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                    And he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

                  • Jack says:
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                    No. He ran a 4.71 40 at the SF pro invite. Then SF informed the world after the draft, “Oops! That was a 4.71 40 meter time, not yards. Our bad.”

        • ObjCritic says:
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          Always thought Angry was off on Hamlett,, who’s an effective TE who seemed to drop some bad HS habits.

          • beavergopher says:
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            He also dropped some passes that may have cost us against UW and Stanford. Played well in the bowl game.

            • bone says:
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              Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but I can only remember one game that hamlet had a couple of drops and that was the wsu game, which ended up not mattering too much. I can’t think of plays in the Stanford or Washington game. Did he just finish his sophomore year?

              • beavergopher says:
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                He had some drops on third downs that killed some drives.

                • bone says:
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                  So it was bugging me that I could not remember the a number of the drops in the Stanford and Washington game. Luckily ESPN has the game log with play by play of each game. So after looking over those two games in each game he was 4 times and ending up with 3 catches. The incomplete pass against Stanford came on the final play, the 4-18. Tough to say if that was a drop or not.

                  The Washington game the target that was incomplete came on a 2nd down, whether it was dropped or not is unknown, this was also the game Mannion had a difficult time completing passes to his own team.

                  I don’t think anyone is going to disagree that Hamlett is slow, but my guess is if Angry was to a “then and now” star rankings, He would have him easily at a 2 star a possibly a 3 star. Anyway, a pretty solid sophomore season for Hamlett.

                  http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=323150024&period=0
                  http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=323010264&period=0

                  Hooray to “Productive” Saturdays!

          • angry says:
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            In 2010 I was off on Akuna and Hamlett. Hamlett is a little better (I had him at 1 star) than I thought, and Akuna appears to be much worse. Otherwise I think I nailed that class. To early to tell about 2011 or 2012.

            • uncanny says:
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              What the hell happened to Akuna? I remember hearing that we beat out Florida State and every other Pac-10 school for him so I was giddy about his future. I don’t think I have ever seen him play.

              • Afghanbeav says:
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                He is big, and strong, but I’m pretty sure I could beat him in a foot race…

                • beavergopher says:
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                  We should get your tape to Gunderson LOL.

                  • Afghanbeav says:
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                    I’m sure there is some tape of a 6’1 215# kid playing DE and RG for a small 2A school in Oregon from 2003…

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I’d forgotten about Molesei, he was one I wished would have shown up. He could have made a difference (given the attitude to go with the size/strength), particularly if paired with big Fred….

  • mb says:
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    Interesting that the coaches think Harlow, Hunt and Greer could play next year. What do they have in common? Apart from measurements, apart from the robotics (watching how they move, change direction, blah, blah, blah), they all can anticipate, read, adjust and move before the play even starts. It is also interesting that Coach Riley has adjusted his thinking to invite all freshman to win a starting job in the fall rather than tell them that the system is so complicated that they will all have to redshirt and pay tribute to the seniority system that has plagued OS in the past. Inviting competition without prejudice is one of the best things that could happen to the Beaver program.

  • beaverkman says:
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    Mattison’s tape last nighy was great, for as big as he is very light on his feet. There was one run where he combined all of these, hurdle a would-be tackler, spin move out of a pack, bulldozer a defender, and ended with a stiff arm for a TD! All one play.
    Overheard coach Brasfield talking with Quizz, and Quizz was like wow you 6 RB’s? Coach Bras stressed the competition will make them all better, and push the guys on top if depth chart. Then Quizz mentioned that what he told Storm, he needs to step up his game and add and that he can’t be a Pac12 RB at 195, needs to put on 10-15 lbs. He needs to get bigger so he can avoid getting hurt, and I think that is why his production was down after the Az game, and maybe a reason Riley wasnt running the ball as much, but that is probably a stretch.

  • progressivebeav says:
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    I’ll leave this here

  • issaquahbeav says:
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    Since I’m too lazy to look it up…where did those twins end up signing that originally committed to UO? I think the Dawgs were late onto these guys, too.

  • Jack says:
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    Anyone want to talk coaching failures?

    I’m watching the Michigan at Wisconsin game, and there’s 31 seconds left in a tie game, UM’s ball. So with five seconds left, Burke gets the ball high and dribbles off a screen to the middle and sinks a trey with 2.4 seconds left.

    The failure on Bo Ryan’s part?

    His team had only three fouls (three to give). So they could have just fouled Burke on the floor and then wasted the rest of the time taking more fouls.

    But it was done. Nothing to do for Wisconsin except to get the ball inbounds after the Michigan TO and heave a desperation trey.

    Oh… did I mention UM only had four fouls (two to give)?

    So it’s easy. Foul the UW player who gets the ball. Foul again. Hell, foul a third time if there’s any time left to put them on the line for a one-on-one. You’re leading by three with 2.4 seconds and 94′.

    Right?

    Of course not. They let UW inbound and heave that desperation trey. And it went in.

    And UW wins.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      IDK Jack, maybe I’m more of a purist but I can’t stand the fouling for profit scheme so I don’t blame the coaches and it was a helluva shot to tie the game. Since Wisconsin was home I doubt any time would have come off the clock when Michigan fouled and you run the risk of fouling a 3 point shooter. Now if you’re playing the Beavs, fouling is a good bet.

      On another note, Miami is playing really well.

      • beavergopher says:
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        Jack is right. As soon as the badger player touched the ball he should have been fouled. Who cares is they the make the two free throws………….they lose. Lucky f…’ers. I said as much before the play.

      • Jack says:
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        There’s nothing more pure than winning a game.

    • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      watched it as well. unbelievable on Wisconsin’s part and epic fail by Michigan

    • Jack says:
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      A follow-up:

      They let Dakich interview Ryan after the game, and he was persistent on this. It was awesome. Ryan never really answered him. In fact, he said Dakich was right. And if circumstances permitted his players were to foul even Ducks. Alas, Ducks or circumstances were not present.

      I like Dan Dakich. He knows his stuff, and he doesn’t hold back.

      More of him please.

  • beaverkman says:
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    I posted a Recruiting analysis in the forum, just my opinion on this years class as a whole.

    http://angrybeavs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=405

  • beaverkman says:
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    Here is the latest on Edward Williams, still in it.
    http://theadvocate.com/sports/preps/5116290-123/lb-edward-williams-still-undecided

    • bendbeaver says:
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      Dear mom and pop Williams,

      Yes, Oregon is a far off place, but don’t be fooled by it’s reputation of hippies and lumberjacks. We have flushable toilets and paved roads, and I’m sure Edward’s favorite foods are only a short trip away. There’s fewer big city distractions for his studies and many a Beav have gone on to the NFL. Also, I’m sure there are convenient flights from New Orleans to Pasadena.

      Sincerely,

      One of the many nice Oregonians that Edward would find himself surrounded by.

      • swampass beav says:
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        git his ass outta the swamp ma n’ pa

        • Jack says:
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          Eat some greens then sound like you actually know what greens is.

          Ducks suck in too many ways.

      • helmsley says:
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        Nice, bendbeaver – I’m not going to try to compete with your light touch.

        IMO, 1) he is a dutiful son, 2) I hope his parents (probably his mother) realize that if he goes where they want him to enroll and hates it or doesn’t do well for whatever reason, it’s her fault. If he comes to OSU,hates it and doesn’t do well for whatever reason it’s on him and I would hope his parents wouldn’t say “I told you so” and that he could take responsibility for his decision.

        I’m interested to see how this all plays out.

  • Jack says:
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    I’ll leave this here

    https://soundcloud.com/whole-lotta-led-zeppelin/whole-lotta-love

  • Jack says:
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    I’m thinking they don’t care.

    Even I don’t get resistance once football ends?

    Yup!

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      Peeps saving their energy Jack, football season is long when embroiled in weekly debates with you.
      How’s the salmon fishing recently?

      • Jack says:
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        I haven’t been out in about a month (or more) or so. In fact, I went and pulled crab pots a couple weeks ago, and i should have had a pole. But it was still good. It was really cold, but it was good.

  • beavergopher says:
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    Any word on Taylor?

  • AfghanBeav says:
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    Saw this on twitter… Not sure if its real…

    http://news.sportslogos.net/2013/02/10/oregon-state-beavers-new-nike-logo-leak/

    • beavergopher says:
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      I just projectile vomited on my keyboard. Just bring back real Benny already.

    • AfghanBeav says:
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      I hope we are being trolled. That logo is retarded.

    • progressivebeav says:
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      I love my Oregon State Beavers Arena League Football team!!

    • Beavblazer says:
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      One of the angryneavs posters was in here a few months back saying it was described to him as shaped like a 5-iron, with the previous angrybeaver logo within the shape. Almost seems like this ugly thing is legit based on that description. I really with they go with something more simple. i dont think its worse than the previous logo, but its far from a “dynamic” new look as Decarolis put it. hard to believe this piece of crap is what the Nike think tank has taken years to flush down the pipe on us.

      • Beavblazer says:
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        Brandon Sprague saying on twitter this is exactly what had been described to him previously. Also says benny beaver will have a new look coming with the redesign. Says he doesnt think fans are going to take either one very well.

        • Jack says:
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          How can we not?

          We currently have a logo so obscure that we need dissimilar ugly script underneath it to explain what it is. And the bobble-head mean rat of a mascot doesn’t really work either. We need a shirtless chainsaw dude to distract from the original crime.

    • Jack says:
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      Well… it’s better than what we have.

      It’s still a minor league hockey logo (maybe it’s the maple leaf?). But it’s better than the poop smear we currently have.

    • WFO says:
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      It’s definitely very jaguars/patriots looking. I still like it more than the current logo. Can we bring back the block letter O now?

    • WFO says:
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      Heeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy…

      Anyone remember a while back we had a discussion about new logo ideas? I threw out a description and some photoshop wizard drew a couple up.

      That new logo bears a pretty decent similarity to one that was drawn up in that thread.

      Now somebody go find the thread :) .

  • beaverkman says:
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    Wife brought up a good point, if you didn’t know we were the Beavers, and you saw that for the first time you wouldn’t know what our mascot was. It’s hard to determine what it is. I am thinking that this is just a prototype and the finished product will be different?

    • Beavblazer says:
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      Why does the logo have to have anything to do with Beavers in the first place? What’s wrong with the primary logo having to just include the school, and let the mascot be separate. Think Ohio State, think Oregon, think most quality logos in the NCAA

      • beaverkman says:
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        I think because since we are the beavers nickname it separates us from the osu’s out there. Maybe try something like wazzu, I like their logo and nobody has anything like that, very distinctive.

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    RE: New logo…too vague and confusing. It looks like Jesus on a piece of toast. JB

    Today’s leaked basketball point of emphasis: DEFENSE Colorado 2-10-13: “On every opposing shot, when, as always, we are hopelessly out of position lunge toward the shooter, right hand upraised and waving, yell “Booga Booga!!”

  • Beavblazer says:
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    Brandon Sprague ?@BrandonSprague

    So let the mystery logo dilemma begin. Just got word from a friend that the logo we’ve all seen today is NOT the logo for re-branding.

  • orangejulius says:
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    Somehow MIT has a better logo than OSU.

  • locusimperium says:
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    when I first saw it, I didn’t hate it. is it that bad, guys? you have me thinking twice. will any new logo be compelling? or will any new logo have some growing pains in being accepted?

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