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Apologies, very busy week.

This looks like a blowout, right? With the line just -3.5, I wouldn’t bet the house on it, but I’d bet the gazebo.

Washington State 38, Oregon State 14

Go Beavs?

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    Would that it were tomorrow instead of the 29th, get it over with and get a coach.

    Next week: holiday weekend, two bad teams, few WSU fans at game, empty stadium, could be cold, only Hankerson(?) playing for pride?

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      When I think of “playing for pride” Aiden Sullivan comes to mind along with Hankerson.
      Pride….and audition film for the next go around.

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        Goodwill at Junction City should be flush with OSU Beaver athlete gear within a month. Lots of guys heading out the door as soon as they get another offer, stopping by the Goodwill donation line on the way to the Eugene airport, never to return to little Corvegas…JS instilled that kind of loyalty a while back.

        On the topic of the coaching search and the 3 finalists: We didn’t have a lot of flight activity to track, as if there were some interesting names to decipher, or a buzz about town from those in the know trying to keep a lid on things. So the obvious conclusion is that Barnes and the committee pretty much mailed it in, the search firm was another waste of money by the athletic department and we will end up with another cycle from the Riley tree. Any disagreement within the search group is likely the pro-Riley team vs the no-Riley team. Barnes will certainly go the path of least resistance and cover his backside with speeches touting the interview process, majority voices, enthusiasm, interview presence, blah blah. We all know if it is really between JS and Chryst, we are screwed anyway. I’d guess that Shephard was just a minority interview but Barnes was targeting JS and Chryst all along because of the ridiculous narrative about “knowing how to win in Corvallis.” It is all nonsense if this is the choice we have. I’d go to games just to boo JS, and ridicule the school for such a stupid knee-jerk, self destructive hire.
        I have zero expectation with Chryst, other than a certainty that he will not be successful in the current NIL era, no matter the budget. He is a dinosaur from a by-gone era of football and will not be able to connect with athletes as before. Perhaps he is a CEO of sorts, but I don’t think it would be a good hire, but just another old OSU guy cashing a check form a desperately inept athletic department. His offense will be a bad attempt to revive the Riley pro style offense all the while with a challenge to get a good o-line and good qbs. No thanks.
        Barnes needs to just roll the dice, take a risk, find a guy outside of the OSU nepotistic vortex but it won’t happen, and probably too many donor alums are in his ear with the same defeatist message “be careful…we don’t know what we will get, so let’s go with who we know…”

        Mark it down now, it will be a deflating hire and we will not recover as a program. PAC12 teams were correct to jettison OSU, because OSU is determined to be a losing institution in certain things.

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    Couple thoughts on the idea of Jonathan Smith becoming the next HC:
    -Nicebeav made a solid point in the last thread when he highlighted Bray and Coach M as important factors in JS success(?) at OSU
    -The scribe for the big zero has this to say:
    “there is little to no chance a Smith-OSU reunion happens, even if he is fired at Michigan State. There might have been some back-channeling initially just to test the waters, but the Beavers have high-quality candidates interviewing for this job who deserve their focus.”

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      There isn’t little chance, and there being no chance would be putting it lightly.

      Not sure why everyone is huffing this glue. But I’ve seen some downright stupid commentary on the simplest of stuff lately.

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    So can someone list the Eight initial interviewees on the new thread? I really don’t care who it ends up being, I just hope the interview process drilled down on establishing a foundation for OSU in the Portal/NIL/New Pac-12 era that can continue to guide the program, regardless of who is the coach. Because coaches leave and get fired. But the program needs to know what its resources are and will be and how best to effectively use them.
    I’d love a great X and O person, a great recruiter, someone who can motivate the players and the fan base and get boosters to empty their wallets – but there are unique challenges and adjustments that OSU is facing. Program philosophy is at least as important as coaching philosophy. Players will come and go, but they’ll need to know what they can expect from OSU over four years, not have whomever is coaching to be making it up as they go along.

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        I was talking to someone last night, and his name was dropped.

        And me wanting to spread rumors, I looked at flightaware this morning and saw a plane scheduled for this afternoon from Corvallis to College Station. This piqued my confirmation bias.

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      • It’s be entertaining if the new coach is someone that wasn’t on any of the lists provided in the news/talking heads.

        According to Canzano there’s at least on mystery candidate in the mix.

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        • Just for fun, I looked at other private jets that flew into College Station, and there was one that hit both Tuscaloosa and Tallahassee before landing in Texas.

          So Jimbo and Shephard are in play, according to the flightaware rumor mill. :)

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  8. Went to WBB game last night and CSU is now 5-0 with quality road wins vs OSU and Gonzaga. They blew out SD and LBST by 30+ points. CSU is a very scrappy team, great defense and they don’tale mistakes. They don’t have great length but their guards are very, very quick.

    I said after Cat’s injury, this team would have some tough games bc outside of Villa, Bolden and KS, this team is somewhat limited offensively.

    CSU really locked down on KS and TB last night. Villa was the only player that kept the beavers on the game.

    Despite their lack of size, CSU got way too many 5-8′ in the paint bc of their quickness and excellent ball movement. I think the Beavs held them to 41% from the field but most of the made shots were higher % looks.

    They exposed OSU’s limited offensive options and anyone studying game films now has a blueprint for the beavers game plan. Don’t play KS tight on the perimeter bc she is no threat to score beyond 8′. Play Bolden tight and don’t give her open looks. If you lockdown those two, the only real consistent threat is Villa and she was really on her game last night. She may very well be the beavers best player from what I’ve seen as she is capable of hitting consistently from the outside and can create her own shot.

    Beavers have depth but I wouldn’t say it’s top level. Anyway, beavers will recover and get better but they need more production out of more than just 2 or 3 players. Beavs had one player in double figures while CSU had 3. 14 turnovers to 5 for CSU jumped off the stat page too.

    They play LBST tomorrow and they are 0-5 so the beavers should win big but you never know.

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    Now coaches also being enticed with roster cash:

    “LSU reported offer to Lane Kiffin

    Per Dellenger, Kiffin’s offer would be worth $90 million with an additional $25 million per season to go toward roster cash.”

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      Would love to see the pitch from Oregon State.
      “We promise $5 million annually in NIL for roster building, although Blueprint gets half of that, plus another $250K haircut.

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        Didn’t they cut ties with blueprint?

        So the governor was complaining about Kelly’s buyout but is ok with $25 mil in roster cash. I’m sure that’s not state funds but how far are they willing to go to entice someone. He’s not even that successful of a coach. If he doesn’t win in the next two years are they going to fire him too??

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  12. In the who cares category. MBB was cruising against Iona 58-39, and now the Gaels, of course, have gone on a 13-0 run. Beavs lead by six with five minutes left. Iona switched to a zone, and Tinkle’s boys went clueless.

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    Barnes and the WSU Athletic Director should schedule a Zoom meeting tomorrow morning and play a round of “rock, paper, scissors.” The winner gets a victory added to their season total.
    Save the mutual expense of a worthless trip to freeze your ass off in Pullman to “play horribly in front of a few thousand fans.

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      You know I saw on game day yesterday that Rice or some school was offering students/fans free t-shirts, food AND beer to attend the game. Maybe Wazzu should do that. ;o)

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      • We got free Domino’s coupons when I was there.

        The student section was the only place that was full. Everyone in the SWC complained that we never traveled, but their fans also never came to our home games.

        A while ago, they wanted suggestions on how to fill the parking lot, and the solution was to build a world class music facility and tennis courts.

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    Isaiah Hodgins just caught a TD pass for the Giants against the Lions. To be honest, I didn’t know he was still in the NFL, and he’s only 27 years old. Kudos to anyone who survived the Anderpants era.

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  19. WBB down 2 at the half vs winless (so far) Long Beach St.
    TO’s even at 6 apiece, FT shooting: OSU 40%, LB 50%

    UPDATE FINAL: Good gals out score LBSU by 17 in the 4th qtr, win 71-55.
    TO’s, LBSU 15, OSU 12, FT% SDSU 50%, OSU 63%

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  20. Tim Polasek of NDSU seems to be the mystery candidate Canzano referred to. He’s fairly young, and just wins games. Might be the new favorite?

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  21. WBB outscores 0-5 LBST 24-7 In 4th to win 71-55 but trailed 48-47 gong into the final quarter. CSU beat LBST by ,nearly 40 points this season.

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    I think with Rivera as the new GM, new ADs and a short time left on his contract (two years?) they figured they’d go in another direction, but I don’t know if they will be able to get an upgrade. Stanford is in the market as well.
    Agree that Wilcox would be a solid hire here as well. Sure he has a tragic past and made some bad life choices in his youth like deciding to play for Oregon and such, but the guy can coach.

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      Wilcox would jump to the top of the list. Top 3 for me at least.
      I’d take Wilcox, Harsin, Vigen/Polasek as the toss-up FCS choice.

      If there is no shot at bigger names, Wilcox would be better than Chryst, or anyone else from the Riley circles.

      Probably already been decided and doesn’t matter. Maybe Wilcox and Harsin together could bring Sagapotulele with them and some of those receivers.

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      I hope they don’t. His record isn’t good at all and his conference record is worse. Never had a conference winning record in 9 years. NEVER!!! Mediocre hire at best. Also. Isn’t a candidate thankfully as its too late intyhe process. Happy for that.

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        Yeah, don’t know much about Wilcox but doesn’t really stand out as a winner as some of you posted. I’d go with someone else.

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    Surprised at all the interest in Wilcox (former Duck DC, correct?) given his lack of consistent conference wins, any decent bowl games as a HC (Alamo bowl, Holiday Bowl, or better?).

    And yet Tosh Lupoi is unacceptable (agree) as is Wil Stein (would be ok with him in the candidate pool, he gets QBs to perform early, and better than they did at previous stops, scores points…).

    I’m still most interested in Shepard despite his lack of coaching experience, than Vigen…

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      I imagine he’s rich, doubt he’s motivated, particularly for college and recruiting. Maybe as a college OC, just calling plays at a rich program – Penn has State, Florida, FSU…

      Carrol + Kelly + Geno Smith was an odd recipe…always seemed like it would be mediocre at best….

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    • “The Las Vegas Raiders acted swiftly in response to their latest offensive letdown.

      The team fired offensive coordinator Chip Kelly on Sunday, Nov. 23, according to multiple reports, just hours after a 24-10 loss to the Cleveland Browns in which the offense surrendered 10 sacks.

      “I spoke with Chip Kelly earlier this evening and informed him of his release as offensive coordinator of the Raiders,” Raiders coach Pete Carroll said in a statement, according to team site columnist Paul Gutierrez. “I would like to thank Chip for his service and wish him all the best in the future.”
      …
      Kelly, the former head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and San Francisco 49ers, became the NFL’s highest-paid offensive coordinator at $6 million per year, according to multiple reports, when he was hired by Carroll in February.

      But the Raiders offense has floundered with him at the helm, with the unit averaging just 3.6 yards per play on Sunday in a defeat that dropped the team to 2-9 on the season.”

      $6M per year….60% of what Lanning makes….man, college spending is crazy.

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    I asked AI the style of offense runs and here’s the response:

    Montana State runs a versatile offense that uses a “take space” philosophy, incorporating elements like RPOs (run/pass options), formations, and motion to spread defenses out. It is a mix of aggressive passing and a strong ground game, with play calling that can adapt to utilize different personnel, such as running quarterbacks or a focus on throwing to playmakers in space.

    “Take Space” philosophy: The offense aims to create and exploit space on the field, using formations, motion, and shifts to manipulate the defense.

    RPOs: Run-pass options are a key component, allowing the quarterback to make a read and decide between handing off, throwing a pass, or keeping it himself.

    Versatility: The offense can adapt depending on the players, including using athleticism from both drop-back passers and more mobile quarterbacks.

    Playmakers in space: The offense works to get playmaking receivers and other athletes in situations where they can use their speed and skill to gain yards.

    Ground-and-pound: The team also has a strong running game that is a central part of its identity.

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      I’ve been pushing to hire Montana state OC. He is an offensive wizard. He’s had head coaching experience at a smaller school where they put up ridiculous numbers ( 400 first downs in a season) hope if we hire Vigen that the OC comes along

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      “Take Space” philosophy: The offense aims to create and exploit space on the field, using formations, motion, and shifts to manipulate the defense.

      Already tried that with Dave Baldwin as OC. Pass

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    Wilcox was the beneficiary of a ridiculously easy glide path into the higher levels of college coaching.
    Based on Phil Knight’s and mega Duck donor Pat Kilkenny’s relationship with his dad Dave Wilcox, he was plucked from delivering furniture in Eugene by Chris Petersen who offered him a GA job at Boise.
    Soon we was proclaimed “defensive genius” and off he went!
    He’s basically a pretty average dude from Junction City.

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    “The Beavers (5-1) pulled away from Long Beach State, 71-55, at Gill Coliseum thanks to Shuler’s career-high 14 assists. She also added eight points and four steals.”

    Very nice! Isn’t she taking on a bigger role this season? Hoping for more, in-season growth and success.

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        We need to realize that flying him on Horizon is a huge upgrade for him. He is likely used to bus rides in the FCS. OSU is making a huge effort to shock him with the perks of a former FBS school budget and upgraded amenities.
        As part of Barnes strategy, they probably served a plate of bacon and steaks just to assure him he doesn’t have to be a vegan anymore, either. The meat budget will be prioritized for him at OSU.

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    So Canzano says Barnes is circling back to Wilcox. Barnes and Wilcox are expected to talk this week. Not sure what that means, but apparently him becoming available has put everything on hold.

    That said:
    What’s the draw for Wilcox?
    9 seasons at Cal, only 3 winning seasons, all mediocre. (7-6, 8-5, 6-5).
    1-3 in bowl games. Losing record overall.
    My recollection is Cal was on offensive coordinator grave yard during his tenure.
    Cal doesn’t have a lot of resources but I’d bet more advantages than OSU.

    I’m just not seeing it. Not sure why he win more with less at OSU.

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    If the above post reporting Canzano says Barnes is wanting to speak with Wilcox, Barnes needs to quit screwing around and go after the best coach(es) available and pay them. Stop the non sense on pursuing other options as a negotiating tactic.

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    I’ll admit I had it in my head that Wilcox was much more successful than those records show. He seemed to start fast and then things eventually fell apart each year I guess.
    If he didn’t have a winning conference record at Cal, I’d agree that it may not be the better hire over Vigen.
    The numbers basically say he is another Riley type hire, mediocre with some big wins but a lot of disappointment overall.

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    • He was 5-4 vs the Beavs. But when he beat the Beavs, it was by at least two scores with a couple blowouts. Maybe that’s what influenced your thinking.

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      One thing Wilcox has proven is that he can put a “credible” football program together in a struggling financial environment and accustomed to seeing players leave the program for more NIL elsewhere. It’s why I consider him the “baseline” hire. I think he’d be good at developing a “system” that OSU could use going forward regardless of who is the coach. Not saying he’d get the Beavs into the Playoff, but the program needs some stability right now.
      Having someone come in, have some success and then bail for a P4 school next year might be a nice sugar rush, but it would put us right back here.

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    Cal is the worst job in the Power conferences, in any sport, and I am not sure it is even close.
    No money combined with one of the highest cost of living/cost of operations in the Nation. Horrible institutional support for any athletics program. Their facilities are awful and extremely outdated. and Even if they had the money or support, there just isn’t any real estate available to expand or renovate facilities. If they wanted to renovate the football stadium, the team would probably need to play at Santa Clara or SJSU for 2-3 years.
    It’s even harder with the portal (they still have to get into Berkley) and $$ for play.

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    Speaking of another coach who should have been fired. MBB lost to UMass by going scoreless over the last six minutes of the game. Finished dead last in that rinky-dink tournament. Now 3-4 on the season.

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      I’m actually enjoying watching this play out. Of all candidates available, you just know that 5 years down the road one of them is going to be considered head and shoulders above the rest. And no matter what happens, OSU/Barnes will end up not picking that coach. I’m already chalking it up as a failure but how much better is that top candidate going to end up being amd where do we think he’ll end up?

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        He hired smith and that was risky but turned out to be a good hire. If we can get a coach that a big then team wants in a few years then I’ll call that a success. Who really knows what Barnes is doing. I doubt in the middle of a search he’s confiding in conzano.

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          He’s not. Clownzano is just throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the wall, in preparation for saying, “See? I wrote his name in one of my blog posts.”

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        “I’m already chalking it up as a failure”-Bingo!
        We have been conditioned to expect the worst possible outcome for the Beavs in matters such as these. Barnes has had a hand in many such situations and has done little to remove the low expectations.

        You are correct that in 5 years the guy the Beavs don’t get or decide not to hire will be head and shoulders above any results we will see form the next OSU coach. I actually can’t expect the Beavs to really make the best, right hire that would lead to great successes. It is too much to hope for given what we all know to be OSU athletics.

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      Well he’s done. At least OSU fans won’t hear his name associated with this job again. And if he does’t get back in the game soon, he may be challenged to be more than an OC anywhere….today’s hires seem to tend towards mostly younger, organized coaches that can navigate NIL to build and maintain rosters…he’s been out of the game for severs years hasn’t he?

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        He’s not been a HC for three years. He sat out last year.

        This is one of those announcements that say, “I wasn’t a finalist, and I’m saving face,” or, “I was a finalist and was told I wouldn’t be hired, and I’m saving face,” or there is genuinely a family issue, like his wife or someone was diagnosed with cancer.

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    Looks like Tinkles contract runs through 26-27 season. It is truly amazing he has been HC for 12 with a winning percentage below .500 at OSU. Barnes needs to be let go along with Tinks.

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      I’ve worked at several where that was the case. I’ve had managers who failed upward, despite sucking at their jobs.

      Not sure what you’re trying top say, but government (before the last decade or so) has done a pretty good job of weeding out the poor producers. Only “appointed” managerial types from the private sector generally really suck at their jobs.

      It’s also always been a money issue with Tinkle. Put up, or shut up.

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        Shit look what Tesla gave Musk for fucking up their business.

        This idea that “only government…” is ridiculous.

        Humans are inefficient and irrational and make bad inefficient/ineffective decisions in all walks of life. Including private business.

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          I don’t expect perfection from employees, but I do expect them to be perform their jobs good to very good especially if they are paid millions to do their job well. If they are incapable of performing their duties at least good, then get rid of them and find someone else. With that being said our mens basketball and most of the recent football coaches have performed their jobs below average to poor and have been retained (Tinkle) far too long.

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          • And?

            Put up or shut up.

            Get in line.

            Suck it up, buttercup.

            Not sure what has changed since two years ago, except for the insufferable whining from people who don’t realize we’re just in a holding pattern, due to finances.

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    I know everyone wants to have Tinkle fired. Main reason is because in 12 years at OSU, his record is under .500. Valid reason for sure. So why all the sudden is Wilcox a must hire or a must interview when his overall record at Cal is under .500? All the armchair Athletic Directors need to think before they comment, post, blog or publish.
    Wilcox never even had that one year where he made a run at greatness like Tinkle did when we went to the Elite 8. .
    For the record, we do need a change at MBB coach but financial limitations have largely prevented that over the last few years with the implosion of the Pac12 and financial uncertainty of our school.

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        Cognitive dissonance or not, maybe some are just reaching for anything but what we have been treated to for the last decade in basketball and football.
        Honestly JS had a 10 game stretch that seemed different but then he bailed and it didn’t matter either. Harsin may be a better hire than Wilcox, WIlcox may be better than an inexperienced DC from Bama, Rolo may be a disaster or he may be a great story. How do you know anymore than the rest of us? It’s all speculation and no one knows for sure.
        What I do know for sure is this athletic department is terrible and I have low expectations that they can make the best of the situation, with a winning mindset or course correction.
        I’ve been on the anybody but Tinkle bandwagon for 10 years, in spite of the Elite 8 run. He is and has been a terrible in-game coach.

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          You are right. As important as this hire is, nobody knows. No matter who it is, a lot will hate it before he even coaches because lack of trust in Barnes. Another issue is a lot will love it and half of those never even heard of the likes of Shepard or Vigen before the speculative possible hire lists started coming out from national and local media. Probably won’t know for a couple of years and recruiting cycles.

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      People are so scared of the “no head coaching experience” aspect, but not all D-coordinators, O-coordinators or position coaches are made equal. It’s not like dudes get hired right away to HC positions ANYWHERE. Some guys have to earn their stripes by excelling as position coaches/special teams experts, and accept more challenges as they go to become an HC eventually. Some guys, though, are natural-born leaders/recruiters/outside-the-box thinkers and planners, and those people can be found with appropriate due diligence anywhere if there’s enough evidence of player buy-in.

      Some guys are eternally much better handling one aspect of the game, and that’s okay – this is where Trent Bray and so many others belong. I have no doubt that Bray will end up somewhere- maybe for a smaller school or he will enjoy his buy-out and find something else to do entirely.

      I feel like Vigen will be the be the guy because of the Head Coaching experience, and I won’t hate that. I just hate the athletic department’s leadership because no matter how good the call they will fuck it up with a lack of support and fundraising, which has been forever our problem.

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      • 5 years head coaching experience at FCS level for a program he didnt build, only maintained vs a guy thats never been a head coach only associate head coach and/or OC for roughly the same amount of time.

        How’s that last MSU head coach worked out in Reno? Ya know the guy that helped build the Bobcats program?

        I dont like either option. Unfortunately this is what we get cause OSU isn’t a destination.

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    One less team to compete with for hiring a new Head Coach as OK State has hire North Texas’s Eric Morris to fill their vacancy. Haven’t heard Morris’s name rumored at all with OSU’s opening either.
    On the flip side, North Texas might actually have a bigger budget than OSU for their now vacant HC position so I guess they can now be considered a competitor

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      I think Vigen is the guy but I’m not totally opposed to Wilcox despite his 48-55 record. He can bring all of his assistants with him and maybe that QB with him along with some other players. The advantage for those kids is they won’t shave to travel across the country no longer in the ACC but instead stay on the west coast and play in the new P12. Sure, it’s not a P4 conference but still have a shot at exposure and a chance to leverage for better NIL of successful at OSU.

      I still think Vigen is a good option too bc he’s going to be motivated to prove his worth at the FBS level. Either way, we need at least $10M for NIL for football and that’s at a minimum. How we get there is anyone’s guess

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    • Morris was expected at oSu.

      Speaking of oSu, Collin Klein was getting name-dropped for that job, with several reports saying he was “this” close to signing a deal. My thinking is that he is talking to OSU, not oSu. And all the AI bots don’t know the difference.

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    Canzano is claiming Wilcox is now also off the board.

    And says Vigen and Shephard were confirmed to habe interviewed but OSU is apparently undecided still.
    If we wait long enough, we may just end up with Mike Riley 5.0 after all.

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    • Canzano: Oregon State is interested in the loser from Cal.

      Canzano sources: Wtf are you babbling now, you complete idiot?

      Cazano: The loser from Cal is no longer in the running.

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  54. Listened to Canzano yesterday, and he talked to a Montana Sports Writer who personally knows both Polasek and Vigen. Both great guys and great coaches with totally different styles. Polasek is the fiery, inspirational type, (I know he’s off the table), but for what it’s worth, he made Vigen sound as though he was describing Mike Riley, from a personality stand point.
    Still hope it’s Shepard.

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    Let’s say Vigen is the guy, how many Montana State guys follow? Now that OSU is a mid major football program Montana State probably has a fit or 10. Especially given knowledge of the coaching style/routine/system.

    It’s a pretty young group of starters based on a quick glance.

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    I’m tired of biring white guys getting every OSU Head Coaching gig. I’m leaning towards Shephard.
    Does that make me racist?
    (Erickson was white but he wasn’t boring, I liked the attitude be brought to OSU)

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      I don’t care about boring or not but I get the sentiment. One of the reasons I liked the idea of Brennon Marion.

      Fun offense
      Cowboy hat

      But I just want a guy with a system that is true to who he is. Erickson was fun.

      This is also why I badly want Payton as basketball coach.

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    • Eh… I get the sentiment from a recruiting angle, I guess. But I think that sort of thinking ends up being a marketing point, which is a form of soft racism.

      I prefer to look at his success implementing an offensive style that works well in today’s game. And I like that he’s connected to a bunch of people in the PNW along with some of his support staff being from the PNW. He seems to want to be in the region, if only because he thinks he’s comfortable enough to succeed well enough to make it a stepping stone. The best case is that he ends up here and simply wants to stay… while also being successful.

      It’s also why I like Collin Klein, but I don’t see the PNW connection. But anyone who was identified by Bill Snyder (and now Mike Elko) as important to their own success has my ear.

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    It really doesn’t matter who the coach will be if our leadership and athletic department are clueless and don’t do what it takes to create success. Unless OSU goes all in and has a fully funded NIL, we will continue to see the same results. The powers that be (ESPN & FOX) left OSU and Wazzu behind, even if anyone from the PAC-12 goes 11-1 or 12-0, the highest seed in the CFP will be the number 12 seed. It’s all being set up for the top teams to remain on top. Unless you’re a (SEC or Big Ten) program that gains high viewership or ratings, and spends $20 million or more on NIL, you’ll be left behind. College football just sucks now and it’s barely worth watching or paying attention to, especially in an unregulated “Arms Race” of this so called modern college football. Quit calling these guys “student athletes” they’re professional athletes. It’s only about money now and it’s corrupt.

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    I’m sure Vigen is a good coach, but I find it painful that OSU seems to always look to the Big Sky when they have a coaching opening. The “regional thing” just isn’t a factor in FBS football anymore. A proven ability to recruit and get players from all over the country is required. Look under every rock. We’ve seen how Chris Kleiman has worked out at Kansas State, should we expect better results?
    If Vigen had experience in Southern California and or Texas, I’d be more enthusiastic about a potential hire.

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      Agree – he was hired at Mt. State when it was in good shape in a stable program. Oregon State is a mess. Weird. he wd agree to being put on a commercial flight to PDX and ? – the shuttle bus to Cvls?

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      • And who else on the list has had to navigate the current state of NIL, been a HC, built a program?

        The bobcats since 1980 are barely above .500 that includes the Ash and Vigen years. Stable. Sure. But certainly a dip between the two.

        Two years ago the Beavs were ranked 19 and lost to the #2 FBS team by 2 points.

        Beavs have issues, not sure who else on the current known list of candidates has a track record that screams they have experience in the same situation as the Beavs find themselves today.

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    So it appears it’s down to the two guys

    1. Shephard – no experience as HC or coordinator. Big rep as a recruiter. If he’s hired, expect a longer ramp to success. Comp would be Brent Brennan. Similar ages to when they took over a program. He’d have to really come through on his staff choices.

    2. Vigen – Accomplished head coach. From the NDSU branch of coaches. Was OC for 3 titles at NDSU. The guys who have left NDSU have all seen a decent amount of success. Kleiman at KState, Entz at Fresno, Bohl at Wyoming. The safer choice for sure.

    In the end, feels like a coin flip. Shephard is the bigger risk but bigger reward. I don’t have much of a preference between the two with the program in the dumps right now. If the program was in a decent spot, Vigen would be the easy choice.

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      Idk about accomplished. Dude. Its FCS. Nor did he build the Montana State program. They were already bordering in elite when he was hired.

      I dont get why people would he enamored with this hire.

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      Shephard was OC at Purdue for four years and now at Bama for two years. He’s not the Co-OC who makes playcalls right now. That would be Grubb. But I wouldn’t touch Grubb with a ten foot pole, after watching the Seahawks last year. And I think not being so enamored that the HC has to run one side of the ball (Jimbo Fisher) might be a better overall position. The HC needs to have a framework of a system that needs to be implemented. They don’t need to be in the weeds, micromanaging every aspect.

      So yes, his choice of assistants would be key. If he chooses a bunch of dudes who played at DePauw in the early 00’s, then I would start to worry.

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    Rumors from someone on the hiring committee. Down to Vigen and Shepard with still a possible 3rd candidate (obviously not Mora or Wilcox). Vigen has the HC experience, could bring staff and some players. Personally I don’t love his offense and not sure the players would help since they are FCS level talent. Be hard for him to recruit top QBs and WRa with the ground and pound style and limited NIL. Shepard brings new and fresh and big personality. No HC experience but supposedly an elite recruiter. Rumor is he could bring Grubb as associate HC/OC. Be a title promotion for him and he wants back on West Coast. Obviously no players would leave Alabama for OSU unless they are 4th or 5th string and want a chance to start. Curious on who the possible 3rd is but hire expected by the weekend.

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      Wouldn’t blame Grubb for wanting out of Alabama and back out west if true…Alabama 3rd stringers would probably compete well in the new Mountain PAC conference…though I think Shepard and/or Shepard/Grubb could do well with T’ia, I suspect they could also recruit well out west. Having SDSU and FSU creates California recruiting opportunities, then there’s Texas with Texas State in the fold…Shepard/Grubb probably have relationships with Washington high schools….

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      Oh god, if he’s gonna bring Grubb I’m a hard no. Don’t make me watch that guys offense again, still have PTSD from last year when he was with the Seahawks.

      Grubb is a hard hard hard no for me.

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      If grubb wants west coast he could go to ucla. I don’t see him moving down to be a coordinator at osu. Makes no sense to me. Anyone complaining about getting Grubb I don’t understand given the offenses we have seen since smith left.

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        I watched his offense for 17 games, it’s fucking terrible.

        No balance, quarterback is left with little protection, and requires an elite QB to have any chance. Hard no. Grubb will be a disaster.

        Just because the offense is bad doesn’t mean you hire a coordinator that will also be bad.

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          Maybe watch his offense when he was at Washington and Alabama. Its dynamic. Can’t compare to an NFL team where everyone is much bigger and faster. Plus Seattle had an awful offensive line last year and still went 10-7 in his one year there. Look at Alabama last year without Grubb and this year with him. He’s pretty good at what he does in the college level. Another good comparison is Chip Kelly. Great as the Ohio State OC last year and awful at the Raiders this year and was just fired. Maybe Geno Smith was the problem.

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            Sure, if you ignore my points about his offense needing an elite QB. Which he had at UW and has at Alabama.

            That same Seahawks team with a QB every expert agreed was worse than Geno is one of the most dominant in the NFL now, line changes 1 guy. His 1 good year at Fresno State also had an elite QB.

            If you trust that we will consistently get elite QBs than or believe Grubb is why they are elite hire Grubb. I believe neither of those things.

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    If OSU was smart… if… they would leak the hire prior to the game vs WAZZU.
    That way the off-field hire is the story everyone is talking about, and not the underwhelming football team on the field.

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    Vigen recruited and coached both Carson Wentz and Josh Allen so there’s something. He’s also won a lot of games in Bozeman.

    Has Shepherd done anything? I don’t remember Purdue being especially good when he was there.

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      Both guys have positives and negatives for sure. Ill be pleased with either but of course time will tell. The fact both are interested is good news. Beavers aren’t in a place to be picky like most of the current openings. We aren’t LSU throwing $100 million salary at Kiiffen and a guaranteed $25 million in NIL per year. I am curious on who the 3rd mystery candidate is if he exists. Barnes knows this hire is important and his job depends on the hire. Sounds like he talking it very seriously.

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    Both guys have positives and negatives for sure. Ill be pleased with either but of course time will tell. The fact both are interested is good news. Beavers aren’t in a place to be picky like most of the current openings. We aren’t LSU throwing $100 million salary at Kiffin and a guaranteed $25 million in NIL per year. I am curious on who the 3rd mystery candidate is if he exists. Barnes knows this hire is important and his job depends on the hire. Sounds like he talking it very seriously.

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    I don’t make the hire so I can’t just hire Grubb. Anyway time will tell and just mentioning what I am hearing .Also apparently not every expert thought Geno was better than Darnold. If so the GM wouldn’t have traded Geno and signed Darnold a couple days later. It was their plan to move on from Geno and improve.

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      Incorrect, they offered Geno a contract that was larger than the one they gave Darnold, Geno didn’t even respond to the offer (no counter, didn’t even say no) so they pivoted.

      Don’t try to tell me things I definitely know more about than you. Geno was only traded after the Seahawks offered him more than they are paying Darnold. So even Seattle thought Geno was better.

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        I apologize. I didn’t realize the depth of your knowledge of everything Seattle and Oregon Stare. I will never question you again.

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          You declared something as truth (Seattle wanted Darnold over Geno) that doesn’t match reality.

          I’m not gonna let that slide.

          Grubb is a shitty offensive coordinator, if he’s the guy it’s gonna be a fucking disaster. Feel free to save this for later.

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            I think shitty is a strong statement considering the last two college teams he has been the OC for has a chance at the national championship in Washington and Alabama. OK OK I get it about the elite QB but at least he knows to utilize them. OSU has had two recent Portal QBs that were supposed to be really good and both flopped. Any help we get in that regard is great. Doubt he even comes with Shepard if he is the guy so its all nothing right now anyway. Complain if it happens. A lot of people on here thought Gunderson was going to be outstanding after working under Chip and he is awful. Its always a combination of coaching and players.

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      • Smith is overrated. “NFL Comeback player of the year?” Give me a break. What did he come back from, besides failing to live up to expectations after being over drafted (by the Jets, the NFL version of the Beavers).

        If Smith walked away from SEA, they lucked out. Arnold may also prove to be his own biggest challenge, and probably won’t get to the Super Bowl but he’s looking more cost effective.

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    Canzano mentioned Shephard was in a team meeting with Bama late this afternoon.
    So the clues all point towards Shephard getting ready to announce he’s a Beav. But, at OSU we’re all too familiar with that bitch Lucy and it would be poetic for her to pull the football on Charlie on Thanksgiving Day.

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    The Vigen move tells us clearly that Barnes has hired someone. We’ll get the unofficial name sometime tonight. It will dominate the news cycle (the Beavers news cycle) through the game and the official announcement will come after the game.
    Probably Shepherd. But, still could be Wilcox or …Smith.

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    Jim Mora took the CSU job. I hope he doesn’t beat the Beavs’ asses for the next 10 years. What he did at UConn was impressive. He was one of my favourites for the OSU job; I’m not sure if there were any discussions.

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    • I think he was a first round prospective. UCONN’s sos in the past several years has been worse than ours this year, by quite a lot. Not sure it’s a good measure. But he is a decent coach who will right the ship at CSU and set them up for a successor who can take them higher.

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    Thinking about it a bit more, Barnes needs to make a hire on Sunday.

    The coaching carousel is going to be large this year. Means the transfer portal will have a lot of guys going in from the fired coaches schools, the coaches leaving for new jobs schools and any new firings after this weekend. Getting to those guys before winter term starts could be a huge difference maker.

    These circumstances might lead one to think that Shephard would be a good choice here with his reputation as a recruiter.

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      I believe candidates are concerned to commit to University with Barnes as AD and the lack of NIL support given the Blueprint fiasco. I think some agents have done some back channel digging while interviews played out and the situation is far worse than anyone can imagine. I think the University is trying to make a case to fire Barnes for cause but doesn’t have the goods or ability to pay for settlement. I think Vigen bowed out before he was offered the job… and I believe an offer was in the works. I also believe Sheppard had a meeting today to announce he has interviewed for the job but is not interested. There is so many reasons to have hired someone weeks ago. The longer this goes, the harder it will be to find a viable candidate and make up for recruiting losses

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          Best to put the turd on the table and smell it. I’d much rather plug my nose and pretend there is no turd but the reality is this athletic department stinks and that turd on the table is Scott Barnes. The fact that he’s responsible for hiring our next HC is reckless to say the least. Buckle up… what are they going to do if nobody is named HC coming out of final interviews?

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            I mean… it’s all your turd, not ours. None of it is believable. It’s all completely fabricated bullshit by you.

            It’s us and Wazzu against the world… and apparently a faction of our fans who have simply jumped in the deep end of the loony bin.

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    Considering there only seems to be one sports agent for coaches – Jimmy Sexton – and if a coach isn’t taking a new job and in need of a contract to be negotiated, they are likely renegotiating terms – I imagine agreeing to a contract could take a couple of days.

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    Barnes is 62. I have to think this is his last major hire at OSU. My guess is he retires from OSU within two years, sooner if things go kablooey. It would be a good idea for Murthy to hire a Senior AD who if not tabbed the heir-apparent, would at least be up to speed to serve as the interim when the time comes. I imagine that might be another concern for any incoming HC.

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      Why haven’t we brought in Sac States AD? The guy is running an absolute blitz in all sports, and getting shit done.
      and He has the salary of a small high school principal.
      FFS! In Sacramento $125k a year probably requires food stamps just to get by month to month.

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    It does seem like Lucy is lurking for the next gut punch the longer we wait on it. I have zero confidence that Barnes should be making this hire and it all but assures a disastrous outcome.
    We will see whether OSU can attract a decent coach or if it is the Bermuda Triangle for many coaches who would prefer to wait until next year for an opportunity.
    It doesn’t seem like a very good signal if the 2 key FCS guys are already off the boys and not interested. Perhaps that means Barnes has someone already in the works, but I not sure I can believe it.
    I have been and still am somewhat resigned to a form of Riley 5.0 at this point, and expect very little beyond the grave disappointment that would elicit.

    I only hope that Barnes somehow pulls a rabbit out of the hat and proves me wrong with a decent, interesting and exciting hire of a proven winner.

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      I don’t think 3 or 4 candidates all pulling their names out of the hat in a 24 hour period means anything other than the next coach has been chosen, but just not publicly announced. Gotta give the coach a chance to get this weekend’s game out of the way

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    Shepherd has worked for an impressive list of coaches:
    Willie Taggart (lol)
    Bobby Petrino
    Jeff Brohm
    Clay Helton
    Mike Leach
    Kalen Deboer

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    Happy Thanksgiving.

    Just thought of an AI angle that might draw Jensen Huang into athletics at OSU and help launch a better NIL deal for the athletes. Use AI for athletes using their images and likenesses to promote Nvidia AI technology. That’s a value add for Nvidia and NIL $$$ for the athletes. You could also have contests for fans to select an AI version of an OSU athlete vs the AI version of that same athlete. Is it real or is it Memorex from back in the day.

    The AI athletes would promote that technology not just for athletics but also in academics bc that’s Huang’s primary interest.

    Thoughts……

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    I just sent this idea to Barnes so I’ll see if I get a response. I’m guessing someone has already thought of this idea but you never know

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    Well, many in here wanted someone not from the OSU coaching shrub. Despite Shepard’s lack of HC experience, I like this hire for his background in offense and his alleged energy and ability to connect with recruits. He should likely bring some new blood in terms of coordinators too…

    I expect this means Ti’a stays, WR recruits are retained…could Degan Rose(?) return as a QB commit?

    New season starts Sunday….new coach, new conference. Who becomes OSU’s new “rival?” WSU? BSU?

    Rich TT comes to OSU next Sept 12…schedule for new conference foes not set yet…

    When will Barnes move on? 2 more years?

    Now on a minor note, when can OSU ditch Nike?

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      It’s weird nobody reputable has confirmed it, other than some CBS reporter nobody has heard of.

      That DigitalDam guy who is pretty plugged in with the team is pretty hesitant to celebrate it as final.

      “After some updates and new findings, I am holding off on being excited until it is 100% confirmed and reported.”

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  91. Committments:

    Local recruit Deryk Farmer — a safety out of Cascade Christian High School in Medford — announced his commitment to the Beavers on Thursday

    and

    and 6’2″ 190 LB Rocco De La Rosa, everywhere athlete (WR, returner, DB with 6 INTs, TDs from every position) from tiny Philomouth (next Poyer please….)

    I wonder if 3* WR/CB Malcom Watkins will return with Shepard being hired?

    Remaining recruits include running back Braylon Tolliver (Erie, CO); wide receiver Cynai Thomas (San Francisco, CA); tight end Landon Cook (Concord, CA); linebacker Jeremiah Brown (San Jacinto, CA); cornerback Kai Wheaton (Allen, TX); edge rusher Adel Dorr (Issaquah, WA); and safety Cammeron Purnell (San Diego, CA).

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    Not that it matters, but I like the hire. Experience in big time football, Pac-12, Big 10, SEC, under multiple coaches with success. Leach, Taggart, Petrino, DeBoer, Brohm so he’s seen things done different ways. I doubt he’s still in Corvallis in five years, if he’s successful he has enough ties to enough places he could be at a P4 school quickly – but at least that will mean the program is on the right trajectory.

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    Shepard hire summary highlights:

    “According to multiple reports, the 42-year-old Shephard won over the OSU hiring committee with his impassioned plan for resetting the football program. And given his connections at the highest levels of college football, including on the West Coast, he could raise OSU’s recruiting standard and put together an experienced staff around him with a track record of success.

    Shephard — originally from Fort Wayne, Indiana — played wide receiver for Division III DePauw University from 2001 to 2004. He is the first Black head coach hired by Oregon State football in its history.

    As is often the case in the transfer portal era when a new coach is hired, Shephard could bring some of his former players at Alabama or Washington with him to Corvallis. He will also be tasked with retaining current OSU players: under new NCAA rules, a 15-day transfer window will open in five days for the Beavers.

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    So, does this provide some motivation for some players tomorrow? The desire to make a good impression on a known, incoming coach?

    I sure as cuss hope so..

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    Kudos to Jack. He was the first person to mention Sheppard on this blog and he nailed it. Let’s hope it is a successful 3-4 year run and our new JS is a better tactician, more loyal and shows more passion than our last JS.
    The best part of this hire to me is a firm departure from all things Riley. I’m hopeful we see some differences in offensive approach, special teams and physical wide receivers. All things Sheppard has on his resume.
    Keys will be DC, OC and how to recruit d-linemen and o-linemen who can play right away. The other key will be NIL budget, and identifying players too.

    Hoping Tia is the QB1 next year already and maybe a reason Sheppard was even interested.

    Go Beavs. I’ll choose to be positive and hope that Barnes made a good hire.

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      Agreed, I too was thinking Jack called out Shepard’s candidacy early. Agree with all you say, and I’m pleased that the hiring committee was apparently excited with his “plan” to reset OSU football. Its important to have an actual plan, and I never heard that associated with other candidates, only their “interest.”

      Shepard will be highly motivated to be successful and should bring a lot of energy. I think the fanbase will perk up a bit, though the schedule is underwhelming.

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    And Kudos to Sweaty Beaver:

    “If OSU was smart… if… they would leak the hire prior to the game vs WAZZU.
    That way the off-field hire is the story everyone is talking about, and not the underwhelming football team on the field.”

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    Riley Williams has entered the transfer portal. Maybe he can give back some of his NIL money to someone like Dylan Black, so the team can snap the ball next year! In fairness, Williams has been injured, but I’m bitter at the local media and their preseason hype about the hugely improved tight end room.

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      The bulk of our NIL miney went to QB and TEs.
      None of those guys played a full season amd when they did play they were not the best player at their position.
      NIL spending is such a crapshoot

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        Yeah, it seems like the local media were following the NIL money with their preseason hype about how much better the Beavs would be. Their main point about significant improvement at the QB and TE positions was way off base. Sometimes, there are other reasons why players leave Power 4 programs other than just seeking more playing time. They may have flaws in their games that the previous programs have identified. I doubt there is ever any sharing of those flaws!

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    More on recruit 6′ 2″ 190-LB Rocco De La Rosa, who instantly has one of best names on roster:

    …listed as a receiver and defensive back.

    On offense, he pulled in 41 receptions for 638 yards and 12 touchdowns this fall. He also recorded 424 rushing yards and scored five more touchdowns on the ground.

    On defense, De La Rossa had six interceptions and returned one for a touchdown.

    He also had two return touchdowns and passed for one more.”

    Clearly a man among boys, hope he has the speed for D1 football and is the next Poyer-type of player….

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    Hottest of the hot takes with Shephard hiring,

    Last man standing hire? Plenty of candidates with lots of experience interviewed. Was he truly better than the others?
    Advantage? I noted earlier that current year circumstances might give Shephard a head start in recruiting. Really don’t need to wait until the portal opens, agents know which players are going to be available.

    Does his recruiting prowess extend to recruiting coaches? Will really need to come through on assistant coaches. He needs to get coaches on board by Christmas. No to bringing back Bray. Guys who get fired don’t come crawling back. He’ll go somewhere to rebuild his rep as DC.

    Don’t care much about retaining current players. They aren’t that good and replaceable. I would expect over half the roster to enter the portal. One benefit of the portal. Can turn the roster over quickly. Get rid of the ones who won’t help move the program forward.

    With his high energy recruiter background, he’ll talk a very good game to fans and serve up a bunch of red meat but we’re all skeptics. So he has a tough path to winning over fans.

    The combination of no head coaching experience, the program’s current state, and knowing any player that develops will leave each year, it’s a long road forward. He’ll need to be very adaptable to constant change.

    Is this a good hire? I lean toward yes given the circumstances. The upside is much higher than the others.

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      At this point, if you can get someone that Alabama thought was good enough to hire, then you probably got the best you’re going to get? I mean we are a glorified HS team. We have a coach from ‘Bama now. That seems like a small win.

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    Great out of the box hire in my opinion. Lots of upside and it sounds like he was the focus of the hiring committee since day one. Barnes wanted more experience but Shepards fire, passion and plan won the committee over and Barnes took the committee seriously.. Now hire some great assistants and get to work. Excited for the next chapter but will need to be patient as this will take a couple recruiting and portal cycles to build his team.

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    I would hope he hires at least one coordinator with some notable experience. A first time CEO would benefit from that kind of gravitas. Harsen needs a job?

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    Shephard is the first minority Head Coach for the OSU football program. Unless you count interim Coach Hall who was in that role for a few weeks after GA walked away. But after those few weeks, Hall wasn’t even in consideration for the actual full time position.

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    Well, let’s hope he can turn Frehauf into a monster wide receiver.

    All good updates, info on Shephard and the committee input. I’ll gladly accept the correction and enjoy the new era.

    Hope springs eternal in times like these. How could it get any worse than what we have already seen?

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    Reading his bio, he must have coached at Reser with UW, WSU and maybe Purdue? So he has seen a full Reser and the possibilities if he can win at OSU. Perhaps there is a lot more upside than at first look. He isn’t coming in completely unaware of what might be with some luck, effort and proper coaching.

    I think it would be great if he came in and demanded a total rebrand as part of this new PAC era. Flush everything and begin anew.

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    I am very pleased with this hire. Truly new direction, and maybe the start of a new era in Beavs football. I hope Shephard concentrates especially on getting very good line coaches, everything starts from there. Even if Smith is not fired at MSU, it might be worthwhile reaching out to Coach M. Wouldn’t be surprised if Michalczik and his wife might be looking for a chance to get back to Corvallis.

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      Also the conditioning coach at MSU, as I believe someone mentioned earlier. Mike McDonald, I believe? I was impressed with his results at OSU. Wouldn’t hurt to do a little poaching of our own.

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    This from AI on JaMarcus Shephard: has just been named the new head coach at Oregon State as of today, November 28, 2025. Before this new role, he served as Alabama’s co-offensive coordinator under head coach Kalen DeBoer, running a highly successful pass-heavy, up-tempo, spread offense.

    Offensive Style
    The offensive philosophy at Alabama under Kalen DeBoer’s system, in which Shephard was a key architect (specifically as the passing game coordinator), emphasizes:

    High-Flying Passing Attack: The offense prioritizes an aggressive and dynamic passing game, aiming to stretch the field and create explosive plays.

    Up-tempo Spread Concepts: It utilizes spread formations and a fast pace of play, which helped Washington lead the nation in passing offense (369.8 yards per game) and total offense (515.8 yards per game) in 2023.

    Wide Receiver Development: Shephard’s specific expertise is in coaching wide receivers (or “takers,” as he calls them to emphasize aggression), developing NFL talent and ensuring the receiver room is deep and balanced.

    Balanced Attack with Rushing Complement: While known for passing, the offense also incorporates effective rushing schemes, with the Washington team also finishing in the top 25 nationally in rushing offense during their peak season.

    Shephard shared play-calling duties with Nick Sheridan at Alabama. The offense has proven highly productive, with Alabama averaging over 33 points per game in the 2025 season.

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    I like the idea of a high tempo style offense which should attract kids bc that’s today’s style and trend. Now it’s a matter of bringing in players to match that style of play and system..

    Ti’a might be the perfect fit for this system, and the beavers do have some current players with speed and talent suited for an up tempo style. I don’t think we will see aass exodus from the program like we did when traitor Smith stabbed us in the back.

    Go Beavs.

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      I also think this type of offensive system will attract kids bc the style of play is pretty much what most teams run today as opposed to an antiquated prostyle offense.

      I don’t know about his defensive style of play, but I hope it’s an attack/pressure kind of philosophy that is not passive. We shall see but I hope he’s ready to be a HC as Oregon State can be a career maker or career breaker.

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  111. A fun stat that means absolutely nothing,

    Record as asst coach,
    at Western Kentucky – 42 and 22. 2-1 in bowl games.
    at WSU – 8-5. 0-1 in bowl games
    at Purdue – 28 and 29. 1-1 in bowl games
    at UW – 25 and 3. 1-0 in bowl games. National Championship game in second year.
    at Alabama – 18-6. 0-1 in bowl games.

    Overall 121 – 65. 4 – 4 in bowl games

    All but one stop resulted in the head coach leaving for better jobs. Though Leach did eventually leave for another job. He saw three leave at Western Kentucky.

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    Some stupid CUSA site on social media piggybacking on his WKU connection said his contract was for 9.5 mil annually. I wonder if that’s for the entire 4 years.

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    Now I’m thinking keep T’ia, Freauff, Wells, Hatcher out tomorrow, keep them safe… luck o’ da beavers T’ia would get a major injury that sets him back a year…

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      From the piece:
      Riley recounted that Shephard told committee members he planned to surround himself with experienced assistants …
      Riley said hiring a general manager will be essential to Shephard’s success with OSU football…
      “This (general manager) is a crucial hire…I also think you need a very, very qualified talent evaluator.

      Riley benefited from a talent evaluator, good to see him mention that. Also, I’d forgotten that Riley is not only a “legendary former Beavers coach” but also a “College Football Playoff committee member “

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      Riley approves? God, I hope that’s not the kiss of death! Seriously, it’s interesting that Riley is advocating for a GM. There are recent quotes from Barnes saying something to the effect that OSU football doesn’t need one.

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        Barnes said there wasn’t need for one in the capacity of a GM–one who hires and fires coaches and players.

        An official capacity would only involve the contracting and payments, to take that off the coach’s plate. And it could be a position that covers all sports.

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        Come on now, you can’t be so shell shocked by the Riley years to think even his good ideas are bad ideas. And, not directed at you specifically, but maybe it’s time we can all get off the beat up on Riley train.

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          Riley isn’t a threat as a fan, observer of the program. His threat level rises as he enters VFC. I like Riley’s balanced perspective on the current state of college football. He was interviewed on Joe Beaver Show a month or so back and had some good points regarding the NIL, GM issues pressing into the college game. I’d say his professional coaching experiences give him some helpful insight on how to approach the new era. But he even admitted on the show that it has passed him by, and he didn’t view his future as anything more than a fan.

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        Despite what Barnes previously said, there will be a GM on staff now. It was part of the deal for Shephard so he and his agent have it in his contract. I doubt it will be Riley as he has no connection with Shephard but we could honestly do much worse. Riley knows the team, the town and is a CFB playoff committee member.

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  117. 7

    Read that Hurts and the Eagles tried the Tush Push inside the 5 yard line, former Beaver and current Bear CB Nashon Wright jarred the ball loose and recovered it. That guy is making some plays and getting TOs.

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  118. 5

    Noticed one of our recruiting coordinators(Patterson) started following Alabama assistant OC/assistant QB coach Mitch Dahlen, who Jack mentioned a week or so ago.
    Angie also started following him too

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  119. Kind of ON TOPIC actually according to the thread title. Anyone have any thoughts on a NAME for the Oregon State-Wazzu rivalry? We’ve been playing each other for years, but there’s never been much “heat” to the rivalry, no nickname, no trophy. Considering Wazzu and OSU will be the OGs in the new Pac-12, it should have a name right?

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    Just listened to the rundown of Shephard’s hire on BeaversEdge podcast and their thought about the current roster. They think it needs an entire overhaul with just a few exceptions. They think JS will want to bring in most of his own players and think the portal exit could equal or surpass the 2023 exodus.

    I hope Ti’a sticks, same with some of the RBs and some receivers too. A few players on defense too but beyond that, I hope he can bring in some quality talent, especially offensive linemen, from Alabama even if they are 3-4 deep players on the depth chart.

    It’s going to be a major rebuild undertaking so we will see what happens when the portal opens up and how many guys exit. As far as existing commits go, hopefully we retain a few of those too. Interesting times ahead so…..

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      The main push should be for lineman on both sides of the ball. And the coaches to get them ready. Love to see coach M back.

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      • Is there any information to suggests Coach M might come back to Corvallis in part for the family aspect? I have seen some suggestions that his wife likes Corvallis, course that could just be in comparison to East Lansing. I think MSU football recruiting is kind of screwed with its penalties, they’re buried in the B10(18) and Smith’s results have been so underwhelming that Smith is not going to have great options when they move on from him. Might Coach M be a truly viable option? The other factor is pay. Haven’t heard Shepard’s pay yet, but it must have been compelling, and I’m betting that the pool for assistants is going to be decent.

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          I wasn’t clear on the penalties. Are they banned from postseason play, also? If so, maybe he comes back intending to help OSU become a big fish in a small pond.

          I read that Smith is sitting on a 30-million-plus buyout. It may not have coaching options, but he and his family are set for life if he plays it right. OC for the rest of his career might be his future.

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            It doesn’t look like it, but recruiting is impacted:

            “As part of the penalties, MSU will pay a $30,000 fine plus 1.5% of its football budget, according to a statement released by the university. The Spartans will also face restrictions on official and unofficial visits, recruiting communication, recruiting-person days, and off-campus recruiting contacts and evaluations across the three-year probation.

            The university confirmed it will vacate all wins from the 2022–24 seasons—14 victories in total—which include Tucker’s 5–7 record in 2022, the combined 4–8 season under Tucker and interim head coach Harlon Barnett in 2023, and new head coach Jonathan Smith’s 5–7 debut in 2024.”

            Combine another listless season under Smith with upcoming recruiting restrictions, I’d be surprised if top talent is going to be interested in going there, even for $$.

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  122. 5

    I het the sense that Ray Pickering will stay on Coach Shephard’s staff. He’s Cynai Thomas’ lead recruiter and Thomas recently reaffirmed his commitment. Plus shortly before the Shephard hiring announcement, Pickering tweeted out “blessed” and the timing just seemed odd, as if he had just received some good news. Anyway, it’s just a hunch

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    • Not really weird a person sends out a message that says “blessed” on Thanksgiving or the night before. I doubt he got a job offer before the hiring was announced but you never know.

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      • If you fall Pickering, you’ll notice he has a pattern of saying
        “Good Morning!! Praise Him in Advance!!” every day. So this single Blessed message was unusual.

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    WSU has senior day today with 24 seniors, bowl eligibility for the 9th time in the last 10 seasons on the line. But they’re one of the worst tackling teams in the country apparently, so maybe Hank and Ti’a et al can make it a game.

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    Indiana, the school that has apparently has lost more football games than any one else, finishes regular season 12-0. What a quick turnaround by Cignetti.

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  126. 5

    Funny how every year there was a push to get the extra SEC team into the BCS, now the playoffs have 12 spots and they are still arguing for an extra SEC team to get in. Maybe don’t expand your conference to 16 members and have a true champion. How does T A&M lose the last game of the season and not get into their own championship game as a 1 loss team? SEC is flawed and ESPN again drives their conference bus. I’m no A&M fan, but that makes no sense that they went from the only undefeated team to out of the conference championship with that loss.
    Too bad if Oklahoma, Texas,

    BIG10 has 3 clear teams; ACC has 1; Big12 has 2 clear teams, maybe 3; ND and P5 champ but the SEC has 6-7 lined up crying to be in. It is so cringey when SEC is still gaming the system and ESPN is aiding it.

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  130. 6

    Beavers X page with photos of players: “Let’s some football!”

    Perhaps Shepard can inspire donors such that OSU attracts NIL dollars and can afford verbs next season.

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    Ti:a throwing some nice passes but receivers can’t catch or hang onto the ball. Another special teams blown play allowing a 43 yard punt return that leads to a very short field. The defense can only fo do much….

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    Hoping T’ia is willing to stand by until we can get some real receivers for him. For a true freshman he looks really solid and comfortable

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  140. 1

    Another blow. Special teams poor coverage on a solid punt but allows 25 yard return and another short field. WSU knocking on the door again and the beavers starting field position in the first half had to average inside their own 20 yard line or worse.

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      Even the refs will disrespect a program that has been lifeless for most of the year. And frankly it has been a trend for decades that OSU rarely gets a break on 50/50 calls.

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  145. Fill in the blank:

    “This was the worst Beavers team since _______.”

    Smith won 2 games in his first season, but that was a PAC schedule.

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    Seriously you are all complaining about the refs and calls? Our offense and defense is horrible. A few calls wouldn’t make a difference. Glad this season is over.

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      The defense wouldn’t be that bad if they weren’t on the field so long due to the offense being absolute street whore gutter trash.

      Agree with Bill. Fire sale. Everything must go!

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    • Like the two can’t both be true. The Beavs were right to expect no breaks until wazzu was assured a win. If Jimmy Roger’s team doesn’t have a reputation already for being kinda cheap and dirty, they probably will soon enough.

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  148. I didn’t see the game, curious How would you rate Ti’a’s performance?

    Some decent numbers but for the picks. Still, looks like a better completion percentage and yardage total than most Beaver FR QB’s, or even first time starters. The quality of the WSU roster has to be factored in, plus I’m curious how many of the sacks were on Ti’a for holding the ball too long?

    I hope he is serious about coming back

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      I didn’t watch either. My friend said some good but a lot of bad throws for Tia. Hard to judge when he has no healthy or non-arrested receivers.

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        I’d give him a solid B for the game. The receivers were not doing him any favors, and the offensive line was playing like they wanted him dead. Six sacks and 8+ hard knockdown that I counted.
        One int was bad, the 2nd should have been a reception, but it was bobbled, and bounced up for the defender.
        Dylan Black’s injury did not cause a terrible season, it just exposed the true level of incompetence in coaching, execution and evaluation that was rampant in 2025.

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  149. 5

    “Just thankful it’s over

    Many teams are just happy to close the book on the 2025 season. That includes Colorado, which dropped to 3-9 with a loss to Kansas State, and Arkansas, which finished winless in the SEC after losing to Missouri. Also happy to be moving on: Wisconsin closed things out with a loss to Minnesota, Rutgers finished a very disappointing year by losing at home to Penn State, Liberty lost to Kennesaw State in double overtime and Syracuse dropped an eighth game in a row to Boston College and finished last in the ACC.”

    Wow. Colorado really sucked. Glad Coach Slime didn’t get as much attention as usual…not that it helps, but teams with much more NIL resources and/or conference affiliations that bring in resources (e.g. Colorado, Boston College, UCLA, Purdue) didn’t do much better than the Beavers, though their schedules were also more challenging. Looks like MSU beat Maryland to finish with 4 wins, other wins invluded western Michigan, Youngstown State, and a terrible BC team…Lotsa of poor football this year…

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  150. Hey BeaverGopher, how do you think Max is going to fare @ SEA tomorrow?

    “Who is Max Brosmer?

    The Davenport, Iowa, native spent most of his collegiate career at New Hampshire and became a Football Championship Subdivision All-American before transferring to Minnesota for the 2024 season. He threw for 2,828 yards and 18 touchdowns with six interceptions for the Golden Gophers while also setting the school single-season record for completions with 268.”

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    I sure hope the new coach has the boys dressed to the nines in the finest fare. And may they be gentlemen to all the young ladies. Perhaps an ice cream social to settle them in and introduce them to the town…

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    In the can it get any worse category for OSU Men’s athletics….MBB is down by 7 at home against something called Cal Baptist with about two minutes left.

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      • But…but…Tinkle does so much with transfers. Our roster looks like the damn United Nations and led by the dumbest fuckin coach out there. At least we will have the chance to not renew Dipshit McSweatypits’ contract next year.

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  154. Six of the eight members of the NewPac are bowl eligible – the other team not going anywhere is Colorado State.

    Eight of the old 12 eligible. Colo. Stanford, us and UCLA out.

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  156. 1

    I’d love to hear an “inside” perspective about what went wrong this season. I can’t remember an OSU season that started with some hope going so horribly, and it wasn’t like they had a ton of injuries to key players.

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    Bunch of stuff to address. I’ve asked chat gpt a bunch. Out of 3 units it went special teams worst, then offense, then Defense Best.

    Paying murphy an immobile Duke reject was first bad thing, legit probably should have spent money elsewhere and just started Tia. Probably should have went out and got a WR if possible, idk how NIL really works tho. but that was probably our BIGGEST weakness anywhere on offense or Defense?

    As played with Murphy no clue why our base package needs to be shotgun when he isnt mobile, but is actually tall so has good vision.. It makes our play calling very clunky for crucial short 3/4th down situations. IE see how bad we did at goal line vs app st, also stuffed on another shotgun run in critical spot 4th and 1 that i can’t recall.

    We played 2 playoffs teams on the road, ok so now we’re left with 10 games. With better scheme and play calling and reasonable special teams play 5-5 is not much to ask at all. Fresno St, app st, sam houston all should have been wins. And then that changes everything

    TBH getting a 3 and out on first possession of season vs CAL, them punting then us gifting them a first down with too many men on the field should have told everyone here that was it for year. (naturally this drive ended in a TD for them )

    Overall horrible coaching, scheming, NIL decisions, play calling, and quite a bit of bad luck. Bray was a horrible in game coach, seems like he may have been decent to good as just a D coordinator though tbh

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    • You’ve hit many nails on the head, Bob, and I think other people have mentioned this (if not, they should) that the only players the Beavs are the linemen on both sides of the ball. 1.5 million could have helped both sides of the ball and hell, one of those dudes could have been a damn long snapper (or capable of it). Forgive me though if I sound stupid for asking but is it possible/make sense to pay players as part of profit sharing/booster funds split up between starters/performance incentive?

      And yes, that play versus Cal should have told us the story, just like the Riley years when we started losing to FCS teams.

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        Excuse me, I meant that the only players that we should pay are linemen. Damn stupid brain and fingers not working together to use words good ?.

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  158. 5

    Looks like the new JS has hit the ground running; word is out that he has his general manager and QB coach. As speculated here (Jack, others?) they are from ‘Bama, …”football general manager will be Alabama associate director of player personnel Eron Hodges. Having a general manager on staff was a crucial piece of Shephard’s negotiations with OSU, …”

    “Additionally, Shephard will bring on Mitch Dahlen as quarterbacks coach and co-offensive coordinator…”

    This all per “sources” according to the big zero. Also mentioned is new WR coach, from ‘Bama as well but with time at OSU as GA….Torrey Gill.

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      Jack called Dahlen as QB coach…

      I’m surprised at his ability to bring staff from Alabama. They all must be pursuing career growth, not a bad thing! New ideas and energy.

      I wonder if the hiring of a GM is an indication that NIL fund increases are on the way?

      Press conference Tuesday, noon.

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      That is not an attractive job right now, recruiting hampered for the next 2-3 years….It would be funny if MSU/Smith are stuck with each other and Coach M returned to OSU…do they fire him, eat the buyout, knowing it’s not an attractive job right now? Or suffer for a few more years with him? Overpay someone to take an unattractive job? I’m guessing they overpay as that’s how colleges do it these days…

      Wonder if Chiles will hit the portal?

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    Fun Fact: Guess what number Shephard wore when playing for DePauw in the early 2000’s ?
    Yup, #9
    Anyone gonna refer to him as “niner” or just “JS” ?

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  164. 5

    A potential assistant coach to keep an eye on might be current Idaho DC (and former LB coach at several schools plus UW alum) Cort Dennison.
    Younger up and coming guy who is a great recruiter.
    Lack of experience would be a concern because I would assume he’d have to come in at the same role he coached at Idaho.

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  165. 5

    Track record after coach leaving OSU for “greener” pastures after Smith gets the pink slip. Bad, really bad. All but one got fired at their next stop.

    Have to go back to Prothro to find a coach that didn’t get fired at their next stop.

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  166. Kiffin to LSU, won’t coach Oke Miss in playoffs….

    USAToday article on college coaching carousel say “Hit Refresh for Updates” at top of article, an indication of the change anticipated today.

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    Kiffin to LSU, won’t coach Ole Miss in playoffs….

    USAToday article on college coaching carousel say “Hit Refresh for Updates” at top of article, an indication of the change anticipated today.

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    Going on the record that I think the Jamarcus Shepherd hire was a good choice by Barnes and Co. If you are OSU why not take a flyer on a young”ish” coach with history at elite programs like UW and Alabama, who knows the PAC NW, and is a good recruiter. This was not the time to play it safe. Hopefully we can give him the resources to be successful.

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    My made up, unnamed sources say that Barnes is going to pivot and he and the search committee are meeting with Smith at the East Lansing Goodwill today. Shephards contract hasn’t been able to be notarized at the local UPS store yet so isn’t finalized. Barnes is quoted as saying he wants to run it back and Smith can bring his super overrated QB with him.

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  172. Pat Fitzgerald replaces Smith:

    “Fitzgerald, who turns 51 on Tuesday, went 110-101 over 17 seasons with his alma mater Northwestern from 2006-22, the entirety of his head coaching career and the Wildcats’ longest-tenured coach in school history.

    As a coach, Fitzgerald won the Big Ten West title in 2018 and was named Big Ten coach of the year, and he won a second West division title in 2020 and earned the national Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award.”

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      The $33m to dry his tears? I’m sure he’s on the phone to UCLA right nowm Really, money isn’t a worry, you know I’ve always loved your uniforms…”

      I do wonder if he takes an OC gig somewhere, the G5 gigs out west are all full. Cal and UCLA are open. UCLA is a non-starter because he showed he’s not ready for the Big 10. 38-49 career record isn’t going to excite anyone at the P4 level.

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      Money? Legacy? Actually, the demise of the PAC had to be a bigger factor/root cause. Anyway, he made a decision and now will live with it (and buckets of cash).
      Biggest memory will always be the way he left.

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