It’s a complicated issue, and not one many people have ever really had to process.
My stance, as a father of 4 year old daughter, is F Luke. He’s getting what he deserves. If he had registered as a sex offender like he was supposed to, this wouldnt have come up.
But, I dont think Luke is even the story here. It’s how the university handled this situation. They have a duty to do the right thing. We don’t know the actual timeline of events yet, but it sure sounds like they knew and ignored the situation.
They deserve any criticism coming their way. I’ll reserve my judgement till I know for sure they had prior knowledge, but the longer they withold that information, the more guilty they look.
And F baseball. If the team can regroup without Luke and still make some noise, more power to them, but if Casey played Luke with prior knowledge, he’s basically Dana Altman in my book.
I hope that’s not the case. Time will tell.
My gut feeling is that Casey and OSU had to have known this. They probably thought Luke could get through a few years without it surfacing, and that almost happened, except Luke “forgot” to do his part in and re-register (he probably thought he could get out of Oregon and into the draft for a payday before it came out…probably why he graduated HS early). So close! That’s my theory just based on how humans work and the details we do know.
That’s an idiotic plan though. If it didn’t come out now, teams doing background research before the draft would have discovered it. A sure 1st round pick would have slid down the draft board, and then the reason would have leaked. There was no hiding this issue and the school would have been stupid to think it wouldn’t have surfaced.
I have a brother in law that was convinced as a sex offender. My guess of Luke’s case is that his parents house was still his legal residence and he was still likely having his mail shipped there. I’m assuming that he figured that since that was still his legal residence he didn’t think he had to register in Corvallis. Just a guess and all speculation though. He should of had his lawyer check on it first though
It occurs to me that he did forget. Had he previously registered in Corvallis/Oregon? He was in the middle of classes, a hectic baseball schedule. Registering should have been at the top of his list, though.
My only issue with the Oregonian in this, is that if this did happen to the Ducks, they probably wouldn’t have reported it. Think of how they tried to downplay Chip’s violations and many other issues with the Ducks (drugs, steroids, police incidents, giving pussy to recruits, etc). So, they are reporting the Beavers problems correctly, yet they aren’t doing the same for the Ducks. That’s their issue. It’s not in reporting this story. They did the right thing. They need to do the right thing with the Ducks as well. If you want to get on them for that, sure. Agree.
They reported on Dana Altman when that news came out. Canzano was very critical of Altman and called for him to be fired or step down. That was his stance at the time, at least. Fast forward a couple of years and he’s the Coach of the Year! Yay!
Yes on Altman, but there are so many institutional problems at Oregon that are never covered. I once had a few sources on the issues, and Schnell asked if she could call me to discuss them, but I declined her because she wouldn’t guarantee anonymity to myself and all sources involved.
This was right after I broke the metadata clues on the Willie Lyles excel spreadsheet. She wanted to know about that as well. That was good. ESPN even covered it. Might have been before your time here.
If the court case was sealed, maybe Casey didn’t know. If everything was plea bargained, that is entirely possible. By all appearances he appeared to be a model kid. Judging from the comment from the mom, I would suspect the family might have been reading stuff about him becoming a potential high MLB draft pick, got progressively more pissed off and tipped off the newspaper. As Leroy Jethro Gibbs says, “I don’t believe in coincidences.”
Judging from the comment from the mom, I would suspect the family might have been reading stuff about him becoming a potential high MLB draft pick, got progressively more pissed off and tipped off the newspaper
Or the newspaper got wind of it because he didn’t re-register as a sex offender, which is what they said was the reason, and then reached out to the mom for a comment.
Do the court documents even mention the name of the victim? I thought they always used a generic term like “victim” to protect the identity of a minor.
It’s mentioned in the story that juvenile court records in Washington aren’t necessarily confidential, like they are in Oregon. Also, this case didn’t hit the oregon court system until April, because Luke failed to register.
But another good point. This story wasn’t going to just quietly stay behind the scenes as Luke became a baseball star, if the victim/family had to watch his fame grow. It was going to come out eventually.
Court of public opinion can’t be controlled.
I don’t necessarily want to punish Heimlich any further myself, but he also brought this on himself. People need to go on with their lives, but public shame/praise is something yiu have to live with if we put yourself in the public eye.
I’m not sure how I would feel if he had done this when he was 11 vs 15 vs 21.
Is that true? I’ve never read that anywhere, but it’s also not a topic I frequently read on.
I did stupid stuff in my youth (like accidentily setting a brush fire when playing with matches, neighborhood mischief, etc) and when it gained me a reputation around the neighborhood as being a trouble maker, I cleaned up my act.
Not saying the crimes are equivalent, but I always found the shame to be a deterrant. It’s not hard to believe sexual deviants are wired differently, however
I’m pretty sure shame doesn’t make someone molest someone a 2nd time. What makes someone molest someone a 2nd time is their upbringing, wiring/brain chemistry/attraction to youths, and thinking they can get away with it.
Social interactions also plays a significant role. Social shaming leads to isolation. The more isolated, the more likely they are to offend (of course I’m speaking in general terms).
They aren’t really punished at all in the current system. Court system tries to rehab minors, which is why they always get light sentences like probation, parole, etc. Almost never jail. If they re-offend as adults, they are generally fucked because the judge will consider that the rehab efforts as a minor failed and this person is a true threat. If the juvenile commits a very serious crime they can be charged as an adult. It’s not a bad system the way it’s setup now, unless you’re black/a minority. They seem to have a different set of rules, sadly.
Luke should come out and own it. That’s the best thing. Just say, “Yeah, when I was 15 I got curious and horny and experimented on a relative because I was/am a piece of shit. I forgot to re-register b/c of xyz. I fucked up a bunch. People are going to taunt me and I have to toughen up, block it out, and go perform for my team with all the shame the opponent throws at me. I’ll do everything I can to help that relative and let them know it’s not their fault and all me.” Something like this. Nip it in the bud and own it.
IMO that’s the best thing to do. Instead of the Uni trying to hide shit, claiming ignorance, etc.
Exactly what I’m thinking….he needs to own up, write a letter and step away from OSU baseball today so that little girl and her family doesn’t have to go through this crap. Sure it will get brought up again down the road if he goes to the MLB, but at least she will be older by then, and her and her family won’t have to hear about on ESPN tomorrow.
He would have had to register when he moved down, anytime he moved, once a year within 10 days of his birthday, within 10 days of starting classes at OSU and any change in school or work.
Based on the law, the citation and the article, it seems like he complied with the law until this year. This would mean that OSU admin would have known since the start. Hard to know if the athletic dept knew if that info wasn’t shared.
Ed Ray’s statement just might have answered some questions. People would have known. Luke would not have been allowed to live on campus, that would have been a big indicator.
My questions,
Did the athletic dept know?
Does the athletic dept have a duty to inform the women’s teams that a sex offender is playing sports at OSU?
Did Casey know before Luke enrolled? If so, why did he take him?
My thought is that they all knew. Doesn’t seem like there was a “cover up” but was something they hoped no one would find out.
If they didn’t know, Luke will be dismissed from school for not registering. (this doesn’t seem likely since the citation was for the annual check in requirement and Luke stated he thought he had complied which means he had registered)
This is probably the reason why the rotation is in flux right now. Just waiting for the story to drop. Oregonian had been asking for a comment since last week.
Does the athletic dept have a duty to inform the women’s teams that a sex offender is playing sports at OSU?
Good question. I’m sure they’ll all hear about it anyway, but my guess is they do have a duty to disclose that. They should just have all the women’s coaches hold team meetings and tell them.
Where was the Oregonian background check on the UO basketball player that had sex assault charges at a prior university? They didn’t find that before the tourney.
That’s the only valid criticism of the Oregonian as far as I’m concerned — that they didn’t do the same for the Ducks. And they had many more opportunities. It’s basically true. But, they did do the right thing here. They just need to do the right thing for the Ducks. Everyone should be calling that out, rather than calling them out for doing the right thing.
This isn’t about the Oregonian, really, but if someone wants to make it about them that’s the correct angle.
Another valid criticism is why are they doing a background check on a college baseball player they’re interviewing? They were *trying* to dig up dirt for clicks. Heimlich is responsible for his own conduct and will continue to bear consequences for it. That does not change the fact that the Oregonian comes out looking more than a bit sleazy.
It’s their job to run background checks on all interview subjects, even when no wrongdoing is suspected and the subject is a student? College athletes aren’t exactly politicians here.
It’s a matter of habit. You look up all you can on your subject, and you write a story. If you don’t research your subject and find stuff like this, you’re not doing your job. And that shows in hindsight.
Weren’t you the reporter who wrote that fluff piece on that kid, and they found out something dirty later?
If the team/coaches/administration knew: seems foolish to take him on as a player knowing what you could potentially deal with. Especially given the fact that OSU baseball is one of the premier teams with a premier coach on the west coast. Don’t really have a problem on the recruiting trail so I can’t fathom why’d you risk it. Egg now on face for that decision.
Regarding Heimlich: Unless he has a major mental birth defect (Down Syndrome, Autism, extreme low IQ) At age 15 you know the difference between right and wrong with regard to sexual abuse of a small child. My 7 year old know what’s right and wrong in touching of peoples private areas. No excuse for what he did. Has he served his time? I guess. Sounds like he’s straightened himself out and has been a model student and teammate. Great for him as he could have gone a different direction. But the crime was atrocious. It should be reported as he has been a sexual predator and the public should know.
Unfortunately sometimes people make horrific decisions and it can take a lifetime to live them down. I’m not a spiteful person but I know if it was one of my daughters or a loved one: it would be difficult to see the person move on to the fame and fortune that comes with being a professional athlete. And if greater awareness from the reports prevents some future crimes from being committed, then maybe there can be some silver lining for Luke. But this is just all bad.
I find it interesting that the mother of the victim is mad that OSU allows him to play ball yet never informed the local media about this before. If it was my kid who was molested I would be calling every journalist in a 100 mile radius of the school to out him as an offender. Even calling the school.
Has Heimlich every been apart of or as a volunteer for community outreach with the baseball team? Did he live on campus within the athletic dorms? Did he meet with the student advisory board? In Pres Ray’s statement those were conditions that needed to be met,so I wonder if any of these were violated. Again, it comes down to who knew what and when. Tough situation.
So here’s a question, if Casey and the Beavs knew last week because the Oregonian asked for comment, did Luke also know what was to come before he pitched on Saturday?
Wahhhh, the Oregonian won’t cover the Ducks, Wahhhhh.
What crimes were Altman’s players charged with? You know – the ones where a conviction was handed down, the type that was given to your rapist child molester star…
As you are a troll/tool I typically wouldn’t respond. However I will say this:
If/when something like this happens at U of O where an athletes crimes committed as a minor surface, I’ll expect the same people defending Luke here to stick up for the Oregon Athlete and not celebrate it as another strike against Hole U.
Now go kick rocks unless you want to actually add something to the conversation
Hastily typed at work and made an error in the point I was try to convey: didn’t mean people defending Luke. Meant people upset that the article was released while on a championship run, and feel it’s unfair to speak about crimes committed because he was a minor.
I’ve grown tired of our fan base celebrating when a Duck player breaks the law and vice versa. So if people here are upset that the Oregonian wrote/released this article about Luke’s crimes because he was a minor, they should be equally upset if.when it happens to a player from another team.
Luke will continue to pitch for us and win us a national championship. Feelings for him outside of baseball are a moot point. Enjoy this season and our upcoming title.
I wonder how the rest of the team is handling this. I realize that sounds fairly silly, but I would imagine it varies – a lot. I think of Rutschmann running to greet Luke after a good inning (or even a bad one) and can only believe Adley is absolutely crushed. What will other players say to him and he to them?
Well… it looks like I’ll have a couple free weekends coming up.
Thanks, Kansas State.
I’m reading stunned silence from the school and team right now. I’m thinking they didn’t have this contingency planned. I also think the mother of the victim could not comment on the case because it’s sealed? Someone said the process is different in Washington. But that’s a pretty common clause if only to keep order by allowing only legal personnel to discuss it publicly, if at all. But I would put pressure on the prosecutor to do anything in his or her power to see if he’s crossed all his t’s and such. I would do it a lot sooner and more persistently until a just outcome presented itself. Maybe that was the case, but it seems to have stewed for a while until this did happen.
Finding out who knew what when is going to be scary. But it’s necessary.
“Finding out who knew what when is going to be scary. But it’s necessary.”
Agreed. Unfortunately, this is not just about Luke. It also puts Pat Casey in potential jeopardy.
How long has Pat Casey known about Luke’s felony plea and sex offender status? Did Pat Casey know about this when he recruited Luke? If so, did Casey tell others at OSU? If Casey did not know about Luke’s criminal past when he recruited Luke, when did Casey find out? What did Casey do with that information when he found out?
These and similar questions are going to be asked now. I hope Casey handled all this in the proper way, because there will be a price to pay — perhaps a heavy price — if he didn’t.
I know someone who was convicted of the same crime when he was 13. He’s now 31 and still has to register as a sex offender. Like others have said, it is a complicated issue because on the one hand it was a decision made by a stupid 13 year old and how long are we going to punish him? Since his crime he has been nothing but a model citizen. On the other hand is the victim and their family who had to go through that shit, and depending on the age and possible injuries to the victim, may still be dealing with it.
An interesting note is the relatively rare occurrence of repeat offending in these cases. I’ve read (and I think the Oregonian article mentions it too) that the maturing of male adolescence provides the balance between extreme sexual desire/need for release and curiosity versus the brain power/will power to not act on illegal impulses. Just a shitty situation from all angles and for all involved, but no more so than the victim.
However I do not think that crime should be used to prevent a student from going to college and playing sports and earning a living as a professional athlete. He’ll have to deal with the public shaming but like others have said, that comes with the territory and he has no one to blame but himself.
Guys, check out The Keepers on Netflix.
As I wrote in the prior thread, it plods and times and in a sense goes nowhere, but the hiding by institutions (police, DA, archdioceses, etc) is fascinating. It will make you lose any faith you had in authority.
You needn’t be a lawyer to figure out that other than Ed Ray’s explanation of the rules as they might apply in this instance – no one associated with OSU should be talking about this at all.
It’s an ineresting situation for everyone as a spectator, because even though it’s just baseball, this gives us the opportunity to sit with our feelings related to right and wrong, forgiveness and grace, punishment and rehab. Luke is still Luke from a week ago, now we just have more information about him that he’s always had about himself.
This is a horrible situation for the team, Luke, and most importantly the little girl that has to deal with being violated for the rest of her life.
I don’t see how you can throw him out there and let him pitch. I was nervous about this series to begin with. Now with this situation I don’t see how this turns out well for the Beavers and maybe its karma. I feel bad for the team and the guys that have worked so hard to get here but I feel a lot worse for the little girl and her family. Just a horrbile situation all the way around.
Holy shit this is awkward. Check out this video of Danny (author of today’s article) asking Casey questions about Luke’s availability this weekend. Seems strange the Oregonian would put Danny in that spot, especially with Gina right there.
For as difficult the situation probably is, it looked to me like he is handling it pretty well. Not sure what I think about pitching him this weekend though. I feel like Thompson and Rasmussen starting, and hopefully the team really rallying together could get it done in 2 and we could move further as a team, and they have a little time to address the Heimlich situation a little more appropriately.
i get the impression he is as well. Seems odd. I personally would also say if I had just wrote a article about a team I was coverings star player and diving into his past (disgusting past), just from a team/morale stand point, would take a back seat for a day or two and let things calm. I guess I would personally want to let the waves settle a bit rather than press the issue, i.e. Ask questions on such player I just wrote about.
Not saying what he is doing is wrong, just my personal opinion, and what I would do. But I am far far from a journalist. Far from, took journalism in hs and got a d
The fact that Nemec, Beaversedge and Beaverblitz all are aware that the news of a commitment coming tonight makes it look like this news is being released as good publicity to distract the fan base from the luke story. If that’s the case, I just dont like the look of using a kid’s announcement that way.
That is not what I heard. Heard he is well liked and very much a good communicator with everybody not just the heavy’s. Also heard he is very much somebody who gets things done.
“Stephen Ensor, who represented Heimlich in the Oregon case, said Thursday that his client never should have been cited in Oregon. Ensor said that since Heimlich is a Washington resident, he is not required to register annually in Oregon. Ensor said Heimlich registered as a sex offender when he moved to Oregon for school. “From our perspective, he should never have been cited,” Ensor said.”
OregoLive posted an article regarding why they ran the story when they did, and the background context. It’s worth a read. I imagine Luke was nervous about them doing a story on him,but he and the university had to know his story would come to light given he has to register, didn’t they?
seems a little bit moreand more that maybe the Oregonian rushed to print on this. The citation was dismissed from the district attorney. Was it something that required a story at this point in the run?
He never should have been cited is a real possibility as he is a Washington resident. Question is should he be playing for the Beavers? A very unique and varied opinion question I imagine?
I honestly mostly think no, but part of me thinks since he did everything he had to from the courts, maybe? I also fall into the crowd that thinks this is a story from olive to create drama and people read there website. I think the Beavers knew, I think the pro teams know, and I think it’s a tough question on, should he be ok to play here? And if you were a gm is it ok to draft him? If no to both, when/what does he need to do to get there?
I don’t think all parties at OSU knew that should have known. Otherwise, why not say we were aware of the situation when recruiting Luke and after a thorough investigation we felt comfortable bringing him to Oregon State. I’m not sure this will be Pat Casey’s call at this point whether he pitches or not.
It’s only a moral decision if they didn’t know, right? Otherwise, the moral decision was already made. I think they are leaving lots of fans in a lurch by not sayiing what they knew, when they knew and what if anything has changed. I don’t expect the same crowd or energy at the game tomorrow without answering some questions first.
Sounds like he may have done what was required and legally should not have been cited. In that case and with so little time it would seem odds are he pitches Friday. Will take a month or two to fully sort out and if he did what was required then Oregon State isn’t in firm position to change his status.
He needs to own his past, but he also must be allowed to live a life on the right path since this mistake as a minor which all indications are he has. If he makes it to the pros it would be considerate to offer a donation to the family through his attorney if they would accept it.
Just talked to my wife about it. Says it is a tough situation, but thinks Luke is being treated unfairly by the press, says it may come with the territory since he is very successful at baseball (so far). She was a Social-worker for 9 years working with all types of cases like his. Sexual predators are very hard to “fix”, if not the hardest, and if he had any more extreme predatory inclination, he would have molested again by now.
Angry…you don’t know. So if this kid has been convicted, registered as a sex offender, supposedly been a good guy since been at Oregon State….in theory he has started down the road to contrition. But yet, you want to throw shade on him again. Maybe he has molested again?
Hope those glass mirrors don’t shatter for you.
Let me tell you something you should be concerned about. The President of the United States is the most embarrassing piece of shit, ignorant, lazy and stupid representative this country could ever have.
Oh by the way, does Jake 13- 0 still stink? Or has he now moved up to a legitimate #2 starter after today’s breaking news?
It’s interesting that Clark cites federal student privacy laws for not commenting on the situation but why then could Bob Stoops comment when the Joe Mixon punch video came out?
Oregonian immediately issuing an editorial explanation on why they ran the story reeks to me. They present it as a public service but they knew that they were ethically on the wrong side of a business decision.
Also, the disclosure of the details really is a terrible disservice to the victim. The details provided make it pretty easy for anyone with knowledge of the family to know who the victim is and in short order I’m sure everyone in her community will know that she was molested by her infamous relative. As a parent there is no level of revenge in the news that would let me bring this kind of attention on my child.
Having a daughter in this age range I can say that if a 15 year old did what the report says to her, he wouldn’t be physically able to participate in collegiate sports.
This is where it gets fuzzy, what is the proper punishment for something so vile? 15 is old enough to know better but I’m not sure if I’d consider him now a danger to society. Does someone who commits this type of crime deserve a second chance? I’m not sure what the proper answer is and I assume it should be a case by case basis. Did he receive counseling, was/is he remorseful? Was he molested as a child?
What is OSUs role here, if they followed the laws and made sure that a registered sex offender was monitored properly (no on campus living, not involved with minors, various other things) do they have to make it public knowledge?
As for baseball, this sucks for the rest of the team but they can recover from it. I don’t think that they should use Luke and I hope someone gives him the advice to step away from the team. At this point he can only be a distraction.
I agree with everything your saying. Article screams look at me, but also it is a important and insightful, yet potentially damaging(victim) article. Not sure if it is ethical but that’s not my call, they ran it so that is on them.
My question is should he step away? Should/could he be a Vick type athlete, with more drastic influence? Open conversations with schools, kids etc.. about the damage and the reprocussions for years and years after you do something so horrific. Is there a way for someone to come back and be a “good” person after they do something so damaging? Or is that going to haunt him forever(is that bad). So many angles and baseball aside so sad for all parties. And than what was/is OSU place in all this? That for me is the most interesting, but I get the feeling we will never know. I’m guessing he might pitch one more game ever here, and we will put in place a no sexual predator in the athletic scholarship clause and it will be bygones.
Couldn’t agree more… see my last post on whether or not he is fixed or fixable. He seems to be well past the window for repeating molesting again (Almost all repeat within two-three years of the first offense if they are on the road to repeat offender) if he still has the predatory inclination.
Might there be important facts we don’t know about yet? For example, what if Luke made full and complete disclosure to Pat Casey and to OSU before being admitted to OSU? What if Luke was then advised by OSU to say nothing more about this to anyone? Did that happen? I don’t know. Neither do you. And that’s just one possible scenario among many.
Fact is, none of us on this site yet knows the full story here. Might be wise to learn a bit more before pronouncing final judgment. The Oregonian (perhaps) was justified in going public before learning all the facts. But the angrybeavs community has always held itself to a higher standard than The Oregonian, right?
He should step away from OSU, not from baseball altogether. And he should step away for the sanctity of the girl’s privacy — he should explicitly state that too, and if Casey already knew, Casey should backup that decision. I have a feeling that the Oregonian will keep dragging this story, the girl, and Heimlich through the mudd, just to make a point. He can stop it all now (at least in the short term), by disappearing for a while.
He already did that. By adhering to the sentence that was handed down. If you aren’t comfortable with the sentencing guideline in these types of cases? Well, that’s on you
I agree, that he is most likely in (fixed) category but what does that mean for his future. Just because he’s not going to reoffend does it mean that he gets a clean slate? How do we decide what is a fair punishment for something like this?
One other thought, Casey had to have known about this from the beginning. If Luke didn’t disclose this during the recruiting process then Casey would have removed him as soon as he found out. Only my opinion but I think Casey thought that he could help Luke and mentor him and help with his redemption from being a felon at 15.
The Oregonian did the right thing in breaking the story, although the timing is a bit suspect. Regardless, Luke IS a sex offender and has been punished to the extent of the law. He will continue to be persecuted by the public for the rest of his life, but he also deserved the opportunity to get the rest of his life right. He deserves the opportunity to contribute to society, and his best path for that is as a professional pitcher. The public should not take that away from him. My opinion of him has drastically changed but if he can become a decent human while pitching in the MLB, I would prefer that over many alternatives. I would also hope he offers the family some type of restitution when he can.
Also, this could very likely be the decline of OSU baseball. Casey may have to step down depending on what he knew and when. That seems extreme since it is not a recent crime, but he will likely get too much public pressure.
I have a feeling you are right. My biggest question is did he know and want to help? Or baseball first? Or did he not know and now is in pure question mode? My guess is he didn’t know while recruiting, and when he enrolled he found out. Than at that time he wasn’t going to bail on this kid for his childhood actions and Had a high opinion of him and thought he could be a good influence and this kid could help on the field.
Either way I do have a feeling this might be the end of Pat Casey and Oregon state baseball. I hope not and I hope they navigate thru this. They need to be honest and get everything out front and if they knew, just explain that they wanted to help him. They cannot hold the hands close to the chest and play “Oregon” in this case. I think that will do too much damage. If they knew(which I think they did at some point) they need to be proactive and out front and honest, and say they wanted to give this kid a second chance.
Some of you………….who made YOU judge, jury and executioner. I won’t condone what he did in any way, shape or form. But if he did what was required from his sentence, and continues to walk the straight and narrow? Good for him. I guess none of you ever made a mistake or did something you horribly regret.
He doesn’t owe anyone an explanation. Or an apology. Because he would have already had to have done that to his victim and family at sentencing.
Shame on the Oregonian for even bringing this to light again. You think the victim and family want to be bothered about this and have to answer any more questions?
Oh and double fuck you to the district attorney’s office in Benton County. This isn’t the first time you’ve completely fucked up and attempted to ruin someone or a family without legally having the justification to do so. Which many residents in this county KNOW and probably why you won’t be getting that new jail you oh so want badly any time soon. Clean the shit out of your own house first.
Lastly, I guarantee Oregon State University and the baseball coaches knew. However due to privacy laws concerning student athletes they couldn’t nor would’ve said anything. If there was any concern, he wouldn’t have ever been with the baseball program or played at Oregon State.
Danny Moran, YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT with zero journalistic integrity. Your dad should have pulled out.
I’m coming in late to this having been in meetings the past two days. I’m trying to figure out, did any party do anything incorrectly or break a law recently? Was there a deliberate cover up? If not, then maybe playing devil’s advocate a little… it seems arbitrary that we are saying a registered sex offender who served his sentence can’t go to college and have a baseball career? If that’s a no go, then what career is acceptable? If they have turned their life around, they should they just be a dishwasher? I’m not getting the angst unless there was a cover up by OSU.
Because it’s a smear campaign brought out by Danny Moron and the boregonian two days before the super regional against an SEC team. It’s called click bait in a failing industry.
If this was just a student at Oregon State and not a student athlete, would it even be in the news?
Seems like it because otherwise, we all have to agree that a convicted minor sex offender who served his sentence and has followed all that is required for the past six years cannot get a college education or play collegiate sports. But, hey, go flip burgers that’s ok.
I agree that olive is running this as a pure click bait article. I don’t agree that what they did was wrong. I believe what this “star” pitcher did was horrendous and disgusting. I do t think he should be able to run from it and glad it came to light. Not sure timing wise it is in the best interest of the victim, because they waited till the peak and then let this come out. I honestly think if I was the parent I’d be pissed.
I would have wanted it to be a subtle article just letting loose he is a sex offender. Not at the peak of his college career right before the playoffs where everyone in the country is diggin into him and who my family was. I believe it should be public k owledge that this kid isn’t just an amazing pitcher but has a horrible past.
That being said I’m beyond(as I never posted here before but had to cause this is so so crazy to me) myself, so so many questions about Oregon state and their involvement and I really hope it has a good place behind it, but I’m also at such a loss for Luke. I am absolutely disgusted by his past, but so confused on what to want for him moving forward. Should he quit baseball? Should he pretend nothing happened and not face this? Or in my opinion should he come out and be as real and open and honest and explain his remorsefulness and do everything he can to move forward with this being a known thing for him now?
Only thing I know is, I feel absolutely horrible for the victim. Beyond belief. And I also want to feel that Luke is a good person and is doing everything he can to be a better person and a model citizen. I also want to hear/know Oregon state dug into this kid and took the path that they could give him a amazing opportunity to provide leadership and growth for him to succeed in life. To give him a path to become the best human he can be
I honestly hope he does pitch Friday night. And throws meat pitch after meat pitch and the Beavs lose by 15 runs at his final appearance at Goss. So you will all remember him for the subhuman piece of garbage you all judge him to be.
Fuckin A right! Because NO ONE deserves a 2nd chance. Especially kid diddlers! Who only did it once. 8 years ago. As a 15 year old minor child themselves. And has been a model citizen since (allegedly). Yep, let’s stone that motherfucker on the mound at Goss in front of EVERYONE!
So, I have thought about this all day and discussed it with multiple people (OSU fans and non-OSU fans).
I still don’t know how to feel. What he did was definitely wrong but should his life be over?
I don’t know.
One thing I do wish is that the Oregonian had sat on the story for a few weeks, why cause waves for all the other members of this team over a story where no one is in any imminent danger? At the end of the day I think the Oregonian didn’t want to get scooped by a national publication when he falls in the draft (guarantee MLB teams knew) but I’d rather they not wrecked what could be a great moment for all the other kids on this team.
I will just say that now this board is becoming part of the ‘problem’. No matter how you title/label it, whatever stance you take there is too much innuendo and rumors floating in here…. very likely Luke was molested… Did PC or school know… wrong this… right this…
I realize this is a discussion topic of the most negative kind, but it happened… the crime… the judicial process… the punishment… the follow up crime of omission/lack of awareness… the published article… the unwanted national attention. It’s not that I think it should be “let go”, but these threads are not helping anyone in anyway. The blame game, the innuendo, the anger and accusations are now perpetuating the same. It is not what is needed now.
In the weird department… we play a Vandy team who tragically loses a player in last year’s post season that has a horrific effect on the entire team, and this year we in a sense “lose” a player that may have a similar damper on our post season.
In the life moves forward, it is part of who Luke is forever, and a lesson learned the very hard way. In looking at his future MLB teams are very thorough in vetting players, and most likely knew of this situation. For the most part it was not public knowledge, now it most certainly is. In the climate of today’s world I’m wondering if team’s save the ire of negative publicity and do not draft Luke nearly as high???
A life lesson that most certainly keeps on giving. I’m not a religious man in terms of organized religion, but I do believe in a higher power, and pray that Luke is given the strength to endure and continue to overcome his mistake. It will be painful, but it will make him a better man. I’d love nothing more for him to start and show the mental toughness to pitch a great game… win or lose. It will be a mental battle that will make future pressure situations pale in comparison. But, if he can not be at near 100% I can fully understand that too.
Just read Canzano’s commentary piece. Not sure why he felt compelled to put the specific details of the sexual contact in a highighted grey quote box. Isn’t “felony sexual contact with a minor” specific enough for the reader? Especially when the original Moran story already had those details? I think we get it at that point.
This from the guy who in the first post on this thread wrote “It’s a complicated issue”.
No, it isn’t. It isn’t complicated at all and was addressed internally before he even set foot on campus. Did you ever read a headline that stated “Oregon State baseball brings in a convicted sex offender in the recruiting class of 201X? The only people who made it complicated were the Benton County district attorney’s office and Danny Moran.
This is disgusting. All you pieces of shit bashing the news outlets and reporters should be ashamed of yourselves. If this kid wasn’t? a good pitcher in fucking BASEBALL at OUR ALMA MATER, you would definitely have a different view. Think about it assholes!
Think about what actually happened and this girl who now has to go through rest of her life with this because of this sick fuck. “Wow the media’s really blowing this out of proportion, he’s a really good kid and has learned his lesson…”
Think about what your opinion of him would be if he played for Oregon or another school?
Kid? 23 isn’t a kid. Is 15 a kid? Another question, if this was a female with a male victim, would it be looked at or treated the same? If this was an Oregon State softball pitcher that did the same to a male victim would it have even been covered in the news?????
Well he has a point. This is the same shit people in Steubenville were saying when their football team raped women. “They’re good kids” yada yada.
If he was 50 instead of 20 nobody would say that.
So, it’s just messed up all around. Our brains aren’t wired to deal with things like this. People think about his bright future, the baseball team, and then the victim last. B/c we have more incentive and personal investment to care about him and the team than a faceless victim.
Anyway, I think he should pitch on Friday since there’s no active crime. He’s registered for life as a sex offender and now has public shame, so there’s not much more society can do to him at this point. Personally, if I were him and truly not behaving this way anymore and really did reform, I’d reach out to that victim and try to mend it so they can have a life. So it’s not so much “what should happen to the kid?” so much as it’s “what should the kid do for the victim?” in my book.
I never said they were the same. I said people said the same things, that these were good kids, this got in the way of their scholarships/future, etc. We’re hearing the same — Luke is a model teammate, mlb now doesn’t want to draft him, etc. Boo hoo, sob story for the perps. That part is apples to apples and what I specifically called out.
I agree he should reach out…but it strikes me that there is little chance of that until the victim is an adult. First, in terms of being able to face Luke as an equal (adult) and process things and even consider forgiving him and second, I suspect it would have to be without Mom around as I don’t she will ever forgive him based on the comments we saw.
Agreed. He faced the penalties of the law, now he has faced the full extent of the public’s punishment. No active crime during his time at Oregon State, he should play and remain on the team; even barring the Universities mistake or unknowing of these past transgressions, that’s on them.
Also, side thought to the above, it’s funny how if the coin was flipped him at 13-15 if he had sex with a say 18+ year old the law would consider him unable to consent or know his actions. Again, sticky situation all around.
There is very little hope to reform specific kinds of sex abusers, namely ones who commit crimes against very young children. This is a fact. There is plenty of research in the field of criminology and psychology to support this. As the victim was 4 when these acts began occurring, I have serious concerns about the mental health of Heimlich. The fact that these acts were not a one time thing, but spanned a period of time of 2 years until the victim was 6 is also of great concern.
Honestly, I cannot think of any incident quite like this one in sports involving such a young victim.
Research shows that the vast majority of juveniles convicted of sex crimes do not reoffend in subsequent years.
After about three years, the likelihood of reoffending is “very small,” said psychologist Michael Caldwell, who lectures at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
At five years, the recidivism rate for another sex crime hovers at 2.75 percent, according to a study that Caldwell published in 2016. That’s because juvenile sex offenders tend to mature and respond well to intervention, Caldwell said.
“It’s referred to as a redemption threshold, the point at which the person is no more at risk than any other individual walking around on the street,” he said.
Do we begin the religious portion of this scandal tomorrow? Finding Jesus (most commonly next to Waldo) cures a lot of things.
Honestly, it sounds more like some of the stories from some fundy Mormon refugees with the schism in the family and all that. But I’m pretty sure somebody’s god allows for absolution if he hugs it out in at least two prayer circles, says four hail Marys and thanks white Jesus a whole bunch.
Luke needs to come out in front of the media, apologize for what he did with all sincerity and announce that he will create an endowment fund for the little girl and donate a large portion of his salary to child abuse. Of course this does not exonerate him in any way, but it would show his sincerity and willingness to help others in that situation.
I believe Casey knew. I suspect it was part of the reason Luke got out of Puyallup early. Casey didn’t need to reveal that he knew because, as I understand it, the documents were sealed.
Can we stop calling it a “mistake”. A mistake is backing into someone in the parking lot or maybe driving after a few too many. This was repeated sexual abuse. Argue, if you want about the role of the justice system and what if any privelages the guy should have but don’t call it a fucking mistake.
It’s not repeated behavior according to his conviction.
I have a feeling this might have been a he/she said thing where a teen got the old overnight-talking-to from a tag team of questioners and without anyone there to represent him.
Ha!
Caught you changing your story slightly here, the thirty-seventh time you described it… right here, at 4:45 am in our discussion. We can throw the book at you if you go to court now. Admit your guilt on that one part, and we’ll make the attempted murder charges go away.
But that’s just one way it could have happened. It could also be that he’s going to run for POTUS one day, and he did it and bragged about it.
The Oregonian did a poor job on this answering all those questions. That might be because what can anyone say about a case involving minors? I see a bunch of people saying he did this over two years and several times. If that was the case, do you think a prosecutor would have dismissed that idea? I can come up with reasons for a teen to succumb to police methods and admit to something he didn’t do. I can’t come up with reasons for a prosecutor to drop valid charges.
But since the prosecutor did it, so should you do it.
I’ve been seeing so many people on twitter and in comment sections jumping all over someone if they refer to it as a mistake. I don’t get why and it’s really fucking annoying. It was many things, including, by definition, a mistake.
1. an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong.
I suspect people attack back with this strategy because they don’t have a better counter argument.
Additionally, a better word for backing into someone in the parking lot would be accident. Unless you do it on purpose, then we would be back in mistake territory.
I think it’s because mistake implies something minor that isn’t a crime. Sure, it fits that definition above, but when we hear the word mistake we don’t think of felonies. “I blew my dad’s brains out because I wanted his inheritance — it was such a mistake”…does that sentence make any sense to you?
You’re probably just upset because it’s a Beav being grilled and want to soften it with “he made a mistake”. Most people aren’t going to want to use that word since it’s so serious.
I’m always annoyed by the policing of the terminology people use to describe something. We can be adults and talk about what’s going on without the need to preface every word just because it’s a delicate topic. You ever notice how so many people preface their statements to make it clear they don’t condone child molestation or rape etc? I personally don’t think that’s necessary because I assume the vast majority of people are not child molesters.
If you express some empathy for Heimlich, that does not mean that you don’t care about the victim. So instead of addressing that possibility, people will instead pick a word used in your comment, disect it, apply an unintended meaning and try to shame you into agreeing with them.
So as best as I can tell there has been no additional crimes committed by anyone involved or aware of this. So the story appears to be a question of what is moral in our society. Should someone who committed a felony as a minor and completed his sentence to the satisfaction of the court be allowed a college athletic scholarship? Looks like some schools say no, OSU (and other schools) have said yes.
Mark Wahlberg was convicted of violent hate crimes at 16, he’s a superstar actor now, seems like a lot of people are ok with that. Charles S.Dutton killed a man (convicted of murder) and later became a successful character actor.
If there is outrage, it should be directed at the university for their current policies (or lack of a policy). Heimlich has an obligation to be a productive citizen moving forward and seems to have done so. I’m not sure why people want more from him now or to sentence him again?
One difference is that Oregon law requires certain sex crimes to require registration for many years or even life. Fair or not, it’s the law.
I feel a bigger issue is to what extent did OSU attempt to suppress this information? When did it know? Was Luke given accommodations that were preferential?
As a fan and alum, I don’t like that this information is “hidden.” But then again, it involves crimes as a minor.
One ethical question is, did the Oregonian go too far in publishing as many details as they did? Trying to think of this from multiple sides. Not sure.
If I’m understanding correctly, what would there be to suppress if this information is available in the state of Washington? It was always there, right?
You’re assuming OSU knew. They haven’t told us that. They are hiding behind student privacy laws that were intended to protect grades from becoming public info, not this.
Also, the crime allegedly occurred multiple times when the victim was between the ages of 4-6.
Not so easy to tie a neat little bow on this until OSU speaks.
Conspiracy theory here: I think Moran had wind of the situation before he wrote the article. I don’t buy (paraphrasing here from the Oregonian – why we wrote this) – that Moran checked on everyone about whom he wrote profile articles.
I think it’s interesting that the paper felt the need to write a somewhat lengthy follow up response to justify why they ran the story. It’s their right to run it when they want to, but there is no doubt in my mind that the timing sensationalizes the story. I would guess there was a business component to their decision.
I’m inclined to agree. And I’m wondering how Moran got in contact with the victim’s mother for the quotes in his article. There’s no way that she was named in the case reports. Hmm.
I had an ex-girlfriend who was molested by her cousin at the age of four. They never forget, but I can’t imagine she would want to re-live all these details on a national scale. What a sad situation.
I think Heimlich is a creep, but he served what punishment was deemed fit by the justice system. Should he be punished again or not have been allowed to go to college? I don’t think OSU did anything wrong here, but the damage is done, and they won’t come out looking good here no matter what happens. There are no winners in any of this.
Personally, I don’t want to see him on the mound–as unfair as that may be. It is, and will be, a giant distraction and not the sort of press OSU needs.
Being a 15 year old is different than being 20 or 50. That is just a fact. A 15 year old’s brain is still developing and to compare what a 15 year old does to that of an actual adult isn’t a good idea (its why charging them as adults is stupid).
I have worked in middle schools for over a decade, you’d be surprised (or maybe you wouldn’t) at the stupid things middle schoolers do. I’ve seen incidents where what is essentially sexual assault becomes a game amongst middle school boys. It doesn’t excuse it (and those kids are dealt with) but with a kid’s brain (learning about sexuality, peer pressure, figuring out what is okay/not okay) those lines can and do get blurred. That is just reality.
I still don’t really know how I personally feel about him pitching for the Beavs or how’d I’d feel if the Mariners decided to draft him but society has deemed him eligible to live among us so I feel we need to give him the opportunity to live his life. Articles like this one (while perfectly legal and within the Oregonian’s rights to publish) don’t help a young man who made a terrible terrible decision as a teen try to live a good life. Making people pariah’s for something they did as a teen is not a good idea in my view.
I personally would not have published this article.
And I believe that is a perfectly valid position to take and taking said position in no way condone’s what he did.
I had a co-worker who was a victim. Same story… cousin baby-sits about six or so times over a period. The sixth time she complains about cousin grabbing her and hurting her boo boo, a bruise in a weird spot. Mother takes kid to therapist, who determines she has been molested over a set amount of time. Mother takes it to the police, who go find the cousin after school and take him in for “a talk” for several hours. Cousin’s parents start to worry about cousin but can’t find him. They call the very precinct he’s in… sorry… nobody here by that name.
Cousin admits to maybe touching that bruised spot while changing her into pjs because he was wondering how a bruise got there (in the transcript). Police take that to mean he touched her sexually and inappropriately, and they smack him with a gotcha. Confess to that, and you can go home. All this can go away if you just tell us this truth.
Cousin was lucky. Parents finally found him and lawyered him the hell up. The police and prosecutor took their case to court and made it a point to try to put that family in the poor house. The cousin was not convicted of anything in the end because there just wasn’t any evidence, including the smoking hot gun they thought they had and tried to use to wrench a confession out of him.
The sibling parents were torn apart and blamed each other for everything. Life sucked for everyone, and the little girl was still a victim.
That co-worker is now best friends with her cousin. It turns out it was her dad who was abusing her. But making daddy go away would make mommy sad, at least that’s what daddy told her. But as long as there was this court case going on, the abuse stopped.
I do think a different tact could have been taken with this story and still led to the larger debate (should OSU consider a minor’s criminal history when letting them be involved with athletics)
The Oregonian could have easily reported that they have learned that a member of a prominent athletic program at OSU was convicted of molesting a child prior to enrolling at OSU but since he/she was a minor at the time of the crime the Oregonian is choosing to withhold the name.
Now of course, other groups might find the name but it still leads to the same debate without putting a microscope on the guilty (potentially the college, possibly Casey, and Heimlich, the victim (the little girl), and the innocent (the rest of the players).
It’d be a macro view on the issue which is better for a debate anyhow in my opinion.
I’d encourage people to slow down with any praise of the Oregonian when it comes to the victim’s point of view. Yes, people like to see the offender get consequences in the form of shame and humiliation, but this is the victim’s story to be told when and how the victim wants it to be told. I can imagine putting her story on public display as fodder for readers everywhere is potentially retraumatizing her. And along with her current age, not good for her emotional and social development, which for even someone without trauma, can be difficult to navigate.
When the news broke it was like a sucker punch. It’s a horrible thing for everyone involved. My wife was a victim and I have a nephew that is labeled a sex offender though being familiar to his case it’s an example of prosecutor over-reach. So to say that I’m conflicted is an understatement. So after sleeping on it I’ve come to a couple of conclusions.
The first is that I believe in the power of personal redemption and though Luke shouldn’t be given a complete pass he should be able to move on and be a productive citizen (like he now appears to be). Therefore he should pitch tonight if he wants to and his teammates concur.
The University should have written policy on felony charges and sex crimes that have occurred prior to enrollment that have been adjudicated.
I don’t like how the Oregonian handled the story. It seems like all they’re interested in is the traffic and dollars that the story will bring in. The story here is bigger than Luke’s case. The debate should be about University policy and what they owe their students. That could have been published after the season is over. After all, the Oregonian sat on the story about Neil Goldschmidt diddling his babysitter for years.
Very OT: With all the tidbits ESPN announcers like to put out re players; when they are praising Adley Rutschman – I haven’t heard a word about his dad, Randy, being a catchers coach @ George Fox.
Randy was a very popular teacher and coach in the Tigard school district. Coaching is in his blood. Not surprised he’s at the college level. Great educator.
OT, but I’m thinking of a career change into electrical engineering. Do you guys know if OSU offers anything online? I’d rather go there than to a CA school. Might be more money out of state, but I don’t like CA’s institutions or ideologies and honestly just don’t want to give this State any more of my money. It’s such a damn rip off.
Would also be interested in any other schools you know of that have good online programs in that field.
As a Purdue grad, I can objectively say the Engineering program is top notch, and the name itself has a really good west coast reputation. People are very impressed when I tell them I went there, and I don’t do anything to down play that. They’re trying to increase their online presence, but I don’t know where that is at the moment and how that fits specifically with the School of Engineering.
He’s getting on his high horse. I can’t understand the logic of it. If there was an active crime, yeah. I’m not in Luke’s corner at all yet still don’t get that logic.
I’m so pleased that “Judge Canzano” was able to find the additional punishment necessary six years after the fact for Heimlich. We can all rest easy now that he has spoken.
There’s some buzz out there that OSU was as clueless as everyone else regarding Heimlich’s felony, so maybe Canzano is thinking a straight up guy would have told OSU about this going in? I will say this, they must have a crappy background system check at OSU if this information was accessible in Washington and didn’t come up. Maybe they don’t even run BG’s on scholarship athletes?
Sorry. I didn’t read the article. So he may be right for the wrong reasons. But it’s unfair to his team first. And being a good teammate means you recognize this.
Probably a given that it’s a distraction at this point, Canzano wants Luke to make a statement removing himself as a respectful gesture to the victim as I’m understanding. I guess after he serves that punishment he can pitch in the CWS if they make it?
That’s ridiculous. The courts will tell him when it’s proper for him to even know she exists. Or maybe she will one day. Superfluous acts by him in her direction would be highly inappropriate.
You heard? From a credible source? If true, then yes, the Oregonian better get to work and out every one of them so they don’t portray a double standard. In fact, they better start outing all of the sex offenders at every educational institution in Oregon, otherwise they are doing a disservice to all of the victims and innocent people attending those institutions.
Canzano just said that the baseball program didn’t know he was a sex offender. 4th story on channel 8. So did the university know and not relay the message, or were they in the dark also?
I have taken responsibility for my conduct when I was a teenager. As a 16 year old, I was placed on juvenile court probation and ordered to participate in an individual counseling program. I’m grateful for the counseling I received, and since then, I realized that the only way forward was to work each day on becoming the best person, community member and student I can possibly be. I understate that many people now see me differently, but I hope that I can eventually be judged for the person I am today.
“I’m so proud of our team’s accomplishment and don’t want to be a distraction. Therefore, I’ve respectfully requested to be excused from playing at this time.”
Is he not pitching again this year? Or do we even know his immediate future? The team is NOT better w/o him (obviously). You know what else is distracting? Going from the best team of all time in some people’s minds……to losing and not making the CWS.
As someone who has provided sex offender treatment, I would of preferred that he referred specifically to completing sex offender treatment, as well as a reference to the damage he has done.
If anyone here works at the Oregonian or knows people who do, ask around and get back to me with the motivation behind this story. At first I thought they were fulfilling their obligation to report this, but Canzano lobbying for Luke not to pitch was completely weird, and it gives some credence to the idea that they’re butt-hurt the Beavs (instead of the Ducks) are having the best season in history. Canzano’s lobbying for him not to pitch = completely bizarre. The guy is a pedo, but he has no active crimes or charges pending and would face the wrath of the fans/opponent, so why lobby for him not to pitch? He veiled it as some honorable thing to do for the victim. Makes no sense. Canzano is usually alright. Like he realized Riley stunk, realized Andersen has huge upside, etc. I never got the impression he hated the Beavs. I guess it’s possible he truly believes what he’s writing and there’s no conspiracy or jealousy, but he never explained the logic (which there is none) behind it.
Anyway, if any of you guys know anything email me. Ask around, etc. It’s starting to smell worse as the Oregonian or their writers write more.
I don’t think Canzano gives a shit about either team, but the Oregonian would definitely get more clicks if the Ducks were in the postseason. The article was only about money, that’s it. If it was about “doing the right thing” they would be printing 20 articles a day about all the sex offenders in colleges. Why does the fact that Luke is an athlete somehow single him out among other sex offenders?
If it was about “doing the right thing” they would be printing 20 articles a day about all the sex offenders in colleges.
Yeah, I mean, that is solid logic. Their counter would likely be that they discovered this during a background/interview check (isn’t this what they claim?), and they don’t interview all the other college sex offenders…
I told Canzano, on Twitter, that I have questions for him and I’m willing to go on the show and ask him. We’ll see if he has the balls to do it.
Although, keeping an open mind, I understand that the O has an obligation to print information they learn, and they only learned about this because they were looking for background info on an interview subject. It could just be an unfortunate series of events that brought this to light. Ok, now I’ll go back to hating the O.
I am tired of Oregonian acting like they are putting all this out there from the moral high ground. They wanted the story to have maximum clicks and are using it for such. That is clearly what was most considered by them as Canzano acts so righteous.
This would have better served all parties with a release after the season if at all. None of this serves the victim. Instead it only serves to sensationalize. The act as a teen was egregious but I admire Luke for finding any outlet to be his best both for himself and his community. His outstanding ERA is a testament IMO to how deep the human spirit can delve to grind oneself out of a hole.
That is who I believe Luke is today and I would appreciate being witness to a redemption story by having him pitch tomorrow. I think that has much more lessons to offer society than Canzano’s false high horse proclamations of why the story was rushed to print.
It’s only a major news story because of what Heimlich (and the team) have achieved. Even on the Portland news channel I was watching yesterday, they made the point a couple of times that Luke was convicted as a minor and has served his sentence and then they emphasized that there is no crime involved with this current story. It’s a network that Canzano is not involved with, so I wonder if they were trying to tone down the hyperbole.
I was pro Oregonian for printing this originally, but Canzano has swayed me. Saying Luke should “do the right thing” and not pitch shows a real interest in the Beavs losing rather than the real story/moral high ground, which they hitched their wagon to (appropriately at first, but now so transparent). Loose lips sink ships, and Canzano’s motives have become apparent.
I don’t remember Canzano saying the Riley should sit out some games for the Brenda Tracy story.
And apparently Canzano believes in redemption for a Altman (after calling for his firing) given his fawning articles about the Duck’s tournament run this year, but seems to have little to spare for a young man in the process of improving his life.
And there we go….like I was saying earlier, Luke needed to take remove himself to transcend the situation, get everyone involved out of the cross hairs. I’m glad it was his decision. Now everyone can move on….? Or will he be back?…Canzano too?
It will be interesting to see if Luke pitches again. It I had to guess, I would think that he is done as an OSU baseball player and that the suggestion may have been made by university higher ups to Casey that this will present the institution in the best light. Unfortunately for Luke, he now has to serve his second sentence for his crime.
Looks like Moran is still digging for something in his latest story, he’s trying to find out when Luke’s high school AD knew about his registered sex offender status and what others at the high school knew. He also quotes someone praising the Indiana University admission policy. I see what The Oregonian is doing here, their trying to drum up outrage over OSU’s perceived soft policy on felons playing sports (or even attending the school) because otherwise what is the story now?
The subheading of the article: “When juveniles are found guilty of sexual misconduct, the sex-offender registry can be a life sentence.”
The article tells the stories of juveniles in various parts of the country who pleaded guilty to sexual misconduct (including molestation of younger relatives), had their names added to sex offender lists, and then were subjected to torments that….well, read the article to see for yourself.
The article is long (like many New Yorker articles) but worth the time and effort (in my view) to get a deeper understanding of Luke’s situation and the difficult issues involved (rather than the superficial click-bait being spewed by Canzano and others like him).
Reading the article may or may not change your bottom line re Luke Heimlich and whether he should pitch again for Oregon State. But it will definitely give you a lot to think about.
Really good article, Silver. Thank you for finding and linking. The Duck trolls are like rabid dogs with this over on O-Live with this. It seems like the fact that Heimlich was a MINOR is being lost on many. I’m not making excuses, it’s a fact in this case and of course the legal consideration.
I actually found the Dana Altman and Mike Riley cases far more disturbing because it was adults involved and men in leadership positions who I believe failed miserably with their duties, but got off virtually unscathed by essentially “playing dumb”.
I’d say that the Oregonian has timed this article for their own benefit and any other reasons are thinly veiled attempts to hide that motive.
I will no longer go to their sites. As for Canzano, for the 2 minutes I could stomach him on Thursday, he sounded thrilled to have something to pontificate about. As if he is any authority, really ridiculous grandstanding. I don’t listen to him, but thought I would check in a nd see how he was approaching the issue. Grandstanding bald-headed hypocrite.
None of it condones what Luke did, but the additional coverage and articles go beyond the stated purpose of there first article.
That they keep putting up a defense speaks volumes to me. I also noticed on this latest Canzano article it’s someone named Ben Sherman from the Oregonian who is responding to posters.
I look forward to it, notice how little was mentioned about Heimlich being a minor. It’s not an unimportant point/factor. I’m also tired of the assumption/drama about a life being destroyed. I was sexually assaulted by a neighborhood babysitter when I was 10, he actually paid me money to not tell anyone after I tried to fight back and I never told anyone until I mentioned it to my Mom when I was an adult. It only happened once and I don’t even remember his name. I got on to doing things that 10 year old’s do. That assholes behavior did not define me. I doubt it is going to define this girl except for the fact that it has all been brought to the surface again by ADULTS.
If Canzano were taking questions, here are some I’d ask him:
1) Do you know whether any other college baseball teams have allowed registered sex offenders to participate in their programs? If so, how do you know? If not, why don’t you ask? Start with the Ducks, and go from there….
2) No reason to focus just on baseball, right? So how about football and basketball — do you know whether any college programs have allowed registered sex offenders to participate? Again, start by asking the Ducks, and go from there….
3) No reason to focus just on college sports, right? How about the Oregonian? Do you know whether the Oregonian has ever employed any registered sex offenders? If so, please provide details, including their names, their crimes, and their current whereabouts. Also, please explain why the Oregonian allowed them to obtain and/or keep jobs and to draw paychecks from your company.
Great points. I had thought of some but not all, and welcome all thoughts. I asked JC to put me on this show…to block a half hour slot. He PM’d me and said I can call in whenever I want, but a call-in is not enough time, so he deflected it basically. I’ll write an article here, link it to JC, and once again give him a chance to call me.
You should send Canzano that great article from the New Yorker that Silver posted since he apparently does not believe Heimlich being a minor is an important factor and does not know any of the research around minor sex offenders and their rehabilitation.. Maybe something like “before you hang Heimlich from the rafters take a deep breath and read this article closely, Canzano”,
Canzano also claims the molestation happened many times over several years per court report. Is that true? Makes a big difference in this idea that he can/has rehabbed and made a “mistake”. Anyone find the actual report?
It is a weird feeling for me, because this time last year, I hadn’t actually taken a class on campus, yet (I’d registered for Summer term and taken classes online before that, but yeah). Having been in the environment with the students and staff, etc., and seen how everyone treats everyone else, this is not reflective of my experience at OSU.
It’s not something I know what to do with. On the one hand, it’s really fucked up, and something that can traumatize someone and affect them for life. You probably don’t ever exist in the same room as that girl ever again, if you can help it, because your presence might trigger PTSD-like episodes. Though I don’t know the extent of what happened there.
I don’t think that 15 year olds are the same as 21 year olds, or 21 year olds are the same as 30 year olds, etc. I observed a classroom of 15 year olds all Winter term. They’re a bunch of doofuses. Some are more mature than others, but on the whole, they seemed like little kids to me. Maybe they know right from wrong, but they also don’t know as much as an adult does. They don’t even know as much as the 18 to 22 year olds I had to live in a dorm with in the military, and a lot of those guys were friggen’ numbskulls. I know, I know, “grown-ass adult,” etc., etc. Isn’t the reason that 18 year olds can’t drink alcohol because their brain is supposedly still developing, however?
It was my understanding when I first read the Gazette Times article that Oregon laws are different from Washington laws, and that Luke didn’t realize he had to check in yearly on his birthday. He then immediately checked in, so he wasn’t charged. The school’s statement was that he couldn’t live on campus, and he couldn’t be around minors. Furthermore, the judge in the case had deemed him a low-risk offender.
Has anything ever been dredged up from a student athlete’s past as a minor, in Oregon sports history, before? I can’t recall a time. Any case I can remember, the crime happened while the student was at the university, and therefore was an adult. If there isn’t a precedent, I don’t see how one could speculate how beaver fans would react to such things surfacing about a duck player. I also don’t see how one could speculate how one might react to a story about a non student athlete, because that most likely wouldn’t be a story in the news. I know for a fact that I feel sympathy for most people, and i would feel sympathy for anyone who was doing what they could to, if not rectify what’s happened, work to become a better person. Student athlete or no.
Supposedly, Luke’s done everything he knew he was supposed to since this happened. That’s all we know. Any belief to the contrary is pure speculation and therefore useless, because all the evidence we have points to his doing what he’s supposed to do.
It feels gross because it is gross. It should never have happened. Sympathize with the little girl, hope she has gotten whatever counseling she’s needed because of it. Hope Luke has gotten whatever counseling he needs, as well, because the mind of someone who does that probably isn’t normal.
Seems pretty easy to just hate someone instead of looking at the nuance of the situation and the information, however. Seems pretty easy to just look at the world in black and white. Kinda simple-minded, lazy way out.
I find it funny O-live and Clownzano keep turning off comments when the majority start disagreeing with them, etc. They are trying to contain and censor opinion.
I can’t speak to the Democratic part, but fuck you for thinking what you so superficially give up in mental process in order to say something someone else told you to say.
If you truly want to talk about censorship, talk about the word I am forbidden to write without prompts.
Are you done being really stupid?
You don’t have the capacity to answer that question based on your past.
Just take a back seat and grumble every now and then. You’re that wrong now. You’ll be more wrong later/
If OSU wants to have any credibility in what they are doing to combat sexual assault crimes on campus, they can’t have a sex offender representing the university.
It’s a complicated issue, and not one many people have ever really had to process.
My stance, as a father of 4 year old daughter, is F Luke. He’s getting what he deserves. If he had registered as a sex offender like he was supposed to, this wouldnt have come up.
But, I dont think Luke is even the story here. It’s how the university handled this situation. They have a duty to do the right thing. We don’t know the actual timeline of events yet, but it sure sounds like they knew and ignored the situation.
They deserve any criticism coming their way. I’ll reserve my judgement till I know for sure they had prior knowledge, but the longer they withold that information, the more guilty they look.
And F baseball. If the team can regroup without Luke and still make some noise, more power to them, but if Casey played Luke with prior knowledge, he’s basically Dana Altman in my book.
I hope that’s not the case. Time will tell.
Casey has no warts, though…
My gut feeling is that Casey and OSU had to have known this. They probably thought Luke could get through a few years without it surfacing, and that almost happened, except Luke “forgot” to do his part in and re-register (he probably thought he could get out of Oregon and into the draft for a payday before it came out…probably why he graduated HS early). So close! That’s my theory just based on how humans work and the details we do know.
That’s an idiotic plan though. If it didn’t come out now, teams doing background research before the draft would have discovered it. A sure 1st round pick would have slid down the draft board, and then the reason would have leaked. There was no hiding this issue and the school would have been stupid to think it wouldn’t have surfaced.
I have a brother in law that was convinced as a sex offender. My guess of Luke’s case is that his parents house was still his legal residence and he was still likely having his mail shipped there. I’m assuming that he figured that since that was still his legal residence he didn’t think he had to register in Corvallis. Just a guess and all speculation though. He should of had his lawyer check on it first though
That’s a good point/theory. Still, ignorance isn’t valid defense.
It occurs to me that he did forget. Had he previously registered in Corvallis/Oregon? He was in the middle of classes, a hectic baseball schedule. Registering should have been at the top of his list, though.
My only issue with the Oregonian in this, is that if this did happen to the Ducks, they probably wouldn’t have reported it. Think of how they tried to downplay Chip’s violations and many other issues with the Ducks (drugs, steroids, police incidents, giving pussy to recruits, etc). So, they are reporting the Beavers problems correctly, yet they aren’t doing the same for the Ducks. That’s their issue. It’s not in reporting this story. They did the right thing. They need to do the right thing with the Ducks as well. If you want to get on them for that, sure. Agree.
They reported on Dana Altman when that news came out. Canzano was very critical of Altman and called for him to be fired or step down. That was his stance at the time, at least. Fast forward a couple of years and he’s the Coach of the Year! Yay!
Yes on Altman, but there are so many institutional problems at Oregon that are never covered. I once had a few sources on the issues, and Schnell asked if she could call me to discuss them, but I declined her because she wouldn’t guarantee anonymity to myself and all sources involved.
This was right after I broke the metadata clues on the Willie Lyles excel spreadsheet. She wanted to know about that as well. That was good. ESPN even covered it. Might have been before your time here.
That was right around the time I started reading here. My memory is fuzzy though. Might be fun to go back and read the thread if you can find it
Here are several of them. There were more:
http://angrybeavs.com/athletics/6272
http://angrybeavs.com/media/7616
I had a lot of good sources around that time who have since gone quiet. Maybe Phil Knight placed a hit!
People move on and up in the college business.
If the court case was sealed, maybe Casey didn’t know. If everything was plea bargained, that is entirely possible. By all appearances he appeared to be a model kid. Judging from the comment from the mom, I would suspect the family might have been reading stuff about him becoming a potential high MLB draft pick, got progressively more pissed off and tipped off the newspaper. As Leroy Jethro Gibbs says, “I don’t believe in coincidences.”
Judging from the comment from the mom, I would suspect the family might have been reading stuff about him becoming a potential high MLB draft pick, got progressively more pissed off and tipped off the newspaper
Or the newspaper got wind of it because he didn’t re-register as a sex offender, which is what they said was the reason, and then reached out to the mom for a comment.
Do the court documents even mention the name of the victim? I thought they always used a generic term like “victim” to protect the identity of a minor.
Usually “Jane Doe”…
She’s a deer.
Great, now he’s into bestiality, too.
It’s mentioned in the story that juvenile court records in Washington aren’t necessarily confidential, like they are in Oregon. Also, this case didn’t hit the oregon court system until April, because Luke failed to register.
But another good point. This story wasn’t going to just quietly stay behind the scenes as Luke became a baseball star, if the victim/family had to watch his fame grow. It was going to come out eventually.
Honest question: At what point should society stop punishing conduct as a minor? What about after the legal system has dealt with such conduct?
I really don’t know.
Court of public opinion can’t be controlled.
I don’t necessarily want to punish Heimlich any further myself, but he also brought this on himself. People need to go on with their lives, but public shame/praise is something yiu have to live with if we put yourself in the public eye.
I’m not sure how I would feel if he had done this when he was 11 vs 15 vs 21.
If public shame helps prevent even one more would be molester from committing a similar crime in the future, I’m all for it. It’s a deterrant.
The social shame is a double edge sword because it makes it more likely that a sex offender will re-offend due to the outcome of the shame.
Is that true? I’ve never read that anywhere, but it’s also not a topic I frequently read on.
I did stupid stuff in my youth (like accidentily setting a brush fire when playing with matches, neighborhood mischief, etc) and when it gained me a reputation around the neighborhood as being a trouble maker, I cleaned up my act.
Not saying the crimes are equivalent, but I always found the shame to be a deterrant. It’s not hard to believe sexual deviants are wired differently, however
I’m pretty sure shame doesn’t make someone molest someone a 2nd time. What makes someone molest someone a 2nd time is their upbringing, wiring/brain chemistry/attraction to youths, and thinking they can get away with it.
Social interactions also plays a significant role. Social shaming leads to isolation. The more isolated, the more likely they are to offend (of course I’m speaking in general terms).
They aren’t really punished at all in the current system. Court system tries to rehab minors, which is why they always get light sentences like probation, parole, etc. Almost never jail. If they re-offend as adults, they are generally fucked because the judge will consider that the rehab efforts as a minor failed and this person is a true threat. If the juvenile commits a very serious crime they can be charged as an adult. It’s not a bad system the way it’s setup now, unless you’re black/a minority. They seem to have a different set of rules, sadly.
Ed Ray has commented, although it’s still pretty vague regarding OSU’s knowledge/awareness of the issue.
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2017/06/luke_heimlich_ed_ray.html#incart_std
I took a moment to reflect on this before posting. On one hand, he was a juvenile navigating his own adolescence.
On the other hand, fuck that, and fuck him.
I live in Puyallup.
I have a daughter.
Pitching in a Super Regional would be the least of this dude’s concerns had it been her.
~GWH
Interview with a vandy guy on JB right now. Who cares?!
Mike Parker opened the Joe Beaver show speaking to it and reading President Ray’s statement. No calls have been taken yet.
Right, but who wants to listen to Vanderbilt talk with this elephant still halfway in the room?
My god. They should not leave Parker alone and confiscate his belts and shoelaces.
yeah, I listened to a few minutes on my drive and he sounded pretty depressed.
He doesn’t wear suspenders?
I have to change my perceived radio outfit for him.
Next you’re going to tell me he also doesn’t wear an argyle wool vest.
Moran is appraring on 1080am in portland right now. I can’t listen, but i’m sure it will be podcast later
Luke should come out and own it. That’s the best thing. Just say, “Yeah, when I was 15 I got curious and horny and experimented on a relative because I was/am a piece of shit. I forgot to re-register b/c of xyz. I fucked up a bunch. People are going to taunt me and I have to toughen up, block it out, and go perform for my team with all the shame the opponent throws at me. I’ll do everything I can to help that relative and let them know it’s not their fault and all me.” Something like this. Nip it in the bud and own it.
IMO that’s the best thing to do. Instead of the Uni trying to hide shit, claiming ignorance, etc.
I agree.
Agree and the sooner the better.
I don’t think he’ll say anything publicly. Maybe release a lawyered up apologetic statement but that’s it.
That would be the smart thing to do.
Exactly what I’m thinking….he needs to own up, write a letter and step away from OSU baseball today so that little girl and her family doesn’t have to go through this crap. Sure it will get brought up again down the road if he goes to the MLB, but at least she will be older by then, and her and her family won’t have to hear about on ESPN tomorrow.
So many questions for the administration.
This is the law that covers sex offender requirements.
https://www.oregon.gov/OSP/SOR/pages/faqs.aspx
He would have had to register when he moved down, anytime he moved, once a year within 10 days of his birthday, within 10 days of starting classes at OSU and any change in school or work.
Based on the law, the citation and the article, it seems like he complied with the law until this year. This would mean that OSU admin would have known since the start. Hard to know if the athletic dept knew if that info wasn’t shared.
Ed Ray’s statement just might have answered some questions. People would have known. Luke would not have been allowed to live on campus, that would have been a big indicator.
My questions,
Did the athletic dept know?
Does the athletic dept have a duty to inform the women’s teams that a sex offender is playing sports at OSU?
Did Casey know before Luke enrolled? If so, why did he take him?
My thought is that they all knew. Doesn’t seem like there was a “cover up” but was something they hoped no one would find out.
If they didn’t know, Luke will be dismissed from school for not registering. (this doesn’t seem likely since the citation was for the annual check in requirement and Luke stated he thought he had complied which means he had registered)
This is probably the reason why the rotation is in flux right now. Just waiting for the story to drop. Oregonian had been asking for a comment since last week.
Does the athletic dept have a duty to inform the women’s teams that a sex offender is playing sports at OSU?
Good question. I’m sure they’ll all hear about it anyway, but my guess is they do have a duty to disclose that. They should just have all the women’s coaches hold team meetings and tell them.
Dredging up acts committed as a minor is slimey.
Where was the Oregonian background check on the UO basketball player that had sex assault charges at a prior university? They didn’t find that before the tourney.
But people will always vote for harsher sentencing and trying minors as adults for certain crimes (e.g. Oregon’s Measure 11)
That’s the only valid criticism of the Oregonian as far as I’m concerned — that they didn’t do the same for the Ducks. And they had many more opportunities. It’s basically true. But, they did do the right thing here. They just need to do the right thing for the Ducks. Everyone should be calling that out, rather than calling them out for doing the right thing.
This isn’t about the Oregonian, really, but if someone wants to make it about them that’s the correct angle.
Another valid criticism is why are they doing a background check on a college baseball player they’re interviewing? They were *trying* to dig up dirt for clicks. Heimlich is responsible for his own conduct and will continue to bear consequences for it. That does not change the fact that the Oregonian comes out looking more than a bit sleazy.
Meh… it’s their job.
Duh?
If you have something to hide, talking to the press isn’t a recommended policy.
It’s their job to run background checks on all interview subjects, even when no wrongdoing is suspected and the subject is a student? College athletes aren’t exactly politicians here.
It’s a matter of habit. You look up all you can on your subject, and you write a story. If you don’t research your subject and find stuff like this, you’re not doing your job. And that shows in hindsight.
Weren’t you the reporter who wrote that fluff piece on that kid, and they found out something dirty later?
If the team/coaches/administration knew: seems foolish to take him on as a player knowing what you could potentially deal with. Especially given the fact that OSU baseball is one of the premier teams with a premier coach on the west coast. Don’t really have a problem on the recruiting trail so I can’t fathom why’d you risk it. Egg now on face for that decision.
Regarding Heimlich: Unless he has a major mental birth defect (Down Syndrome, Autism, extreme low IQ) At age 15 you know the difference between right and wrong with regard to sexual abuse of a small child. My 7 year old know what’s right and wrong in touching of peoples private areas. No excuse for what he did. Has he served his time? I guess. Sounds like he’s straightened himself out and has been a model student and teammate. Great for him as he could have gone a different direction. But the crime was atrocious. It should be reported as he has been a sexual predator and the public should know.
Unfortunately sometimes people make horrific decisions and it can take a lifetime to live them down. I’m not a spiteful person but I know if it was one of my daughters or a loved one: it would be difficult to see the person move on to the fame and fortune that comes with being a professional athlete. And if greater awareness from the reports prevents some future crimes from being committed, then maybe there can be some silver lining for Luke. But this is just all bad.
I find it interesting that the mother of the victim is mad that OSU allows him to play ball yet never informed the local media about this before. If it was my kid who was molested I would be calling every journalist in a 100 mile radius of the school to out him as an offender. Even calling the school.
Has Heimlich every been apart of or as a volunteer for community outreach with the baseball team? Did he live on campus within the athletic dorms? Did he meet with the student advisory board? In Pres Ray’s statement those were conditions that needed to be met,so I wonder if any of these were violated. Again, it comes down to who knew what and when. Tough situation.
So here’s a question, if Casey and the Beavs knew last week because the Oregonian asked for comment, did Luke also know what was to come before he pitched on Saturday?
Womp Womp, you whiny Beavs.
Wahhhh, the Oregonian won’t cover the Ducks, Wahhhhh.
What crimes were Altman’s players charged with? You know – the ones where a conviction was handed down, the type that was given to your rapist child molester star…
ZERO.
As you are a troll/tool I typically wouldn’t respond. However I will say this:
If/when something like this happens at U of O where an athletes crimes committed as a minor surface, I’ll expect the same people defending Luke here to stick up for the Oregon Athlete and not celebrate it as another strike against Hole U.
Now go kick rocks unless you want to actually add something to the conversation
I’m reading the thread, and I’m not finding any real “defenses” regarding Luke’s conduct. Can you explain?
Hastily typed at work and made an error in the point I was try to convey: didn’t mean people defending Luke. Meant people upset that the article was released while on a championship run, and feel it’s unfair to speak about crimes committed because he was a minor.
I’ve grown tired of our fan base celebrating when a Duck player breaks the law and vice versa. So if people here are upset that the Oregonian wrote/released this article about Luke’s crimes because he was a minor, they should be equally upset if.when it happens to a player from another team.
dude, you are scum.
Duck fan logic. “Our rapists are better than your rapists”
Nobody wins in this argument, dude
Haha. I can’t believe 3 people responded to this guy.
Well, he is their MBB coach.
Wish we had arsonists on our football team, like Cliff Harris
http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/pvbxek/picture144501429/alternates/FREE_768/Cliff%20Harris
To fight against the water balloons?
Luke will continue to pitch for us and win us a national championship. Feelings for him outside of baseball are a moot point. Enjoy this season and our upcoming title.
You’ve gotta be kidding
Lord Vader kidding? Nah….
“Luke, I am your fathe……wait……you did what?…..Nevermind, I don’t know this guy…”
I find your abundance of faith……disturbing.
Somebody has to save our skins.
I wonder how the rest of the team is handling this. I realize that sounds fairly silly, but I would imagine it varies – a lot. I think of Rutschmann running to greet Luke after a good inning (or even a bad one) and can only believe Adley is absolutely crushed. What will other players say to him and he to them?
Well… it looks like I’ll have a couple free weekends coming up.
Thanks, Kansas State.
I’m reading stunned silence from the school and team right now. I’m thinking they didn’t have this contingency planned. I also think the mother of the victim could not comment on the case because it’s sealed? Someone said the process is different in Washington. But that’s a pretty common clause if only to keep order by allowing only legal personnel to discuss it publicly, if at all. But I would put pressure on the prosecutor to do anything in his or her power to see if he’s crossed all his t’s and such. I would do it a lot sooner and more persistently until a just outcome presented itself. Maybe that was the case, but it seems to have stewed for a while until this did happen.
Finding out who knew what when is going to be scary. But it’s necessary.
What happened with KSU?
They’ve been giving me un-planned free weekends for almost 40 years.
There’s always next year.
“Finding out who knew what when is going to be scary. But it’s necessary.”
Agreed. Unfortunately, this is not just about Luke. It also puts Pat Casey in potential jeopardy.
How long has Pat Casey known about Luke’s felony plea and sex offender status? Did Pat Casey know about this when he recruited Luke? If so, did Casey tell others at OSU? If Casey did not know about Luke’s criminal past when he recruited Luke, when did Casey find out? What did Casey do with that information when he found out?
These and similar questions are going to be asked now. I hope Casey handled all this in the proper way, because there will be a price to pay — perhaps a heavy price — if he didn’t.
I know someone who was convicted of the same crime when he was 13. He’s now 31 and still has to register as a sex offender. Like others have said, it is a complicated issue because on the one hand it was a decision made by a stupid 13 year old and how long are we going to punish him? Since his crime he has been nothing but a model citizen. On the other hand is the victim and their family who had to go through that shit, and depending on the age and possible injuries to the victim, may still be dealing with it.
An interesting note is the relatively rare occurrence of repeat offending in these cases. I’ve read (and I think the Oregonian article mentions it too) that the maturing of male adolescence provides the balance between extreme sexual desire/need for release and curiosity versus the brain power/will power to not act on illegal impulses. Just a shitty situation from all angles and for all involved, but no more so than the victim.
However I do not think that crime should be used to prevent a student from going to college and playing sports and earning a living as a professional athlete. He’ll have to deal with the public shaming but like others have said, that comes with the territory and he has no one to blame but himself.
Guys, check out The Keepers on Netflix.
As I wrote in the prior thread, it plods and times and in a sense goes nowhere, but the hiding by institutions (police, DA, archdioceses, etc) is fascinating. It will make you lose any faith you had in authority.
How do you apply it to this situation?
So apparently Luke will be pitching tomorrow night
That will be pretty interesting to see the crowd, to hear the announcers, Pat Casey, and all in all interesting to see how this plays out
I don’t think you’ll hear any booing from Oregon State fans, probably low cheering to a lot less quieter when he takes the mound.
Guaranteed to be heckled by opposing team / fans.
Kerry Eggers tweeted that legal counsel is advising Pat Casey not to comment and that Luke will pitch on Friday.
I don’t see how he can pitch without Casey commenting first. I need to know more before I will watch another game if he plays.
Danny Moran tweeting Casey said Luke could pitch but rotation isn’t set yet. No questions were allowed on the subject.
You needn’t be a lawyer to figure out that other than Ed Ray’s explanation of the rules as they might apply in this instance – no one associated with OSU should be talking about this at all.
Yeah… there have to be a ton of legal snafus involved.
Please explain. A 2012 conviction is not an ongoing legal matter.
That’s what I figured. He should pitch b/c this is nothing active. His biggest problem is going to be taunting and shame.
It’s an ineresting situation for everyone as a spectator, because even though it’s just baseball, this gives us the opportunity to sit with our feelings related to right and wrong, forgiveness and grace, punishment and rehab. Luke is still Luke from a week ago, now we just have more information about him that he’s always had about himself.
This is a horrible situation for the team, Luke, and most importantly the little girl that has to deal with being violated for the rest of her life.
I don’t see how you can throw him out there and let him pitch. I was nervous about this series to begin with. Now with this situation I don’t see how this turns out well for the Beavers and maybe its karma. I feel bad for the team and the guys that have worked so hard to get here but I feel a lot worse for the little girl and her family. Just a horrbile situation all the way around.
And my guess if they are letting him pitch the coaching staff and the school has know about this the whole time.
Holy shit this is awkward. Check out this video of Danny (author of today’s article) asking Casey questions about Luke’s availability this weekend. Seems strange the Oregonian would put Danny in that spot, especially with Gina right there.
https://twitter.com/b_slaught/status/872959261860438016
Wow! Case sure looks shook up.
For as difficult the situation probably is, it looked to me like he is handling it pretty well. Not sure what I think about pitching him this weekend though. I feel like Thompson and Rasmussen starting, and hopefully the team really rallying together could get it done in 2 and we could move further as a team, and they have a little time to address the Heimlich situation a little more appropriately.
Handling it well is an understatement – I suspect behind the sunglasses Casey is shooting daggers at Moran.
Moran seems to be want to twist the dagger.
i get the impression he is as well. Seems odd. I personally would also say if I had just wrote a article about a team I was coverings star player and diving into his past (disgusting past), just from a team/morale stand point, would take a back seat for a day or two and let things calm. I guess I would personally want to let the waves settle a bit rather than press the issue, i.e. Ask questions on such player I just wrote about.
Not saying what he is doing is wrong, just my personal opinion, and what I would do. But I am far far from a journalist. Far from, took journalism in hs and got a d
Who is the commit Nemec is talking about?
Hufunga
Wouldn’t that be something? I was just throwing a name out, no idea
The fact that Nemec, Beaversedge and Beaverblitz all are aware that the news of a commitment coming tonight makes it look like this news is being released as good publicity to distract the fan base from the luke story. If that’s the case, I just dont like the look of using a kid’s announcement that way.
I just am stoked to have good news. Trying not to over think things. Go Beavs
It Dukart from LO. Good pick up, I think. How is he at baseball?
Dukart?
“What is a painting of Mallards, Alex.”
Just want to say that our new AD is not well liked at all and doesn’t seem to be a good fit for OSU. He wasn’t well received at Pitt either.
BTW, there are a few legal things brewing involving the athletic dept. Let’s just say the school’s lawyers are keeping busy.
Spill the beans.
Unless you have digested them.
Why dont you just tell everyone what’s going on? The cryptic anonymous posts don’t add anything to the site, and it comes off as trollish.
That is not what I heard. Heard he is well liked and very much a good communicator with everybody not just the heavy’s. Also heard he is very much somebody who gets things done.
But I guess proof will be in the pudding
This is not the time to make Cosby jokes.
But he hasn’t completed the west side yet. How is OSU supposed to take the next step and become a tartan titan in the process?
He needs to be fired.
Oh… and something something blah blah blah airport… rehire him just to fire him again.
Gazette has a quote from Luke’s attorney who said Luke registered when he entered school.
http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/baseball/oregon-state-ace-luke-heimlich-is-a-registered-sex-offender/article_8b350b26-595b-5ac8-b2e4-ec1c2e8562d1.html
“Stephen Ensor, who represented Heimlich in the Oregon case, said Thursday that his client never should have been cited in Oregon. Ensor said that since Heimlich is a Washington resident, he is not required to register annually in Oregon. Ensor said Heimlich registered as a sex offender when he moved to Oregon for school. “From our perspective, he should never have been cited,” Ensor said.”
OregoLive posted an article regarding why they ran the story when they did, and the background context. It’s worth a read. I imagine Luke was nervous about them doing a story on him,but he and the university had to know his story would come to light given he has to register, didn’t they?
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/
seems a little bit moreand more that maybe the Oregonian rushed to print on this. The citation was dismissed from the district attorney. Was it something that required a story at this point in the run?
He never should have been cited is a real possibility as he is a Washington resident. Question is should he be playing for the Beavers? A very unique and varied opinion question I imagine?
I honestly mostly think no, but part of me thinks since he did everything he had to from the courts, maybe? I also fall into the crowd that thinks this is a story from olive to create drama and people read there website. I think the Beavers knew, I think the pro teams know, and I think it’s a tough question on, should he be ok to play here? And if you were a gm is it ok to draft him? If no to both, when/what does he need to do to get there?
I don’t think all parties at OSU knew that should have known. Otherwise, why not say we were aware of the situation when recruiting Luke and after a thorough investigation we felt comfortable bringing him to Oregon State. I’m not sure this will be Pat Casey’s call at this point whether he pitches or not.
Look at Casey’s body language, he may not have known…I think it’s all on Casey now.
Legally, Luke is in the clear. It’s a moral issue now.
It’s only a moral decision if they didn’t know, right? Otherwise, the moral decision was already made. I think they are leaving lots of fans in a lurch by not sayiing what they knew, when they knew and what if anything has changed. I don’t expect the same crowd or energy at the game tomorrow without answering some questions first.
And moral decisions are so simple — if you live in a black and white world.
Commit is Jake Dukart, a 2-star QB. This is the exciting news Nemec was talking about? A 2-star QB from Lake Oswego. Meh.
I mean maybe he’s good, but that’s definitely not an exciting or glamorous pickup.
Lame. He’s a 4 year clipboard holder.
But he is a good baseball player so yeah.
247sports.com rated him a solid three star 84.99.. For what’s it’s worth…
Sounds like he may have done what was required and legally should not have been cited. In that case and with so little time it would seem odds are he pitches Friday. Will take a month or two to fully sort out and if he did what was required then Oregon State isn’t in firm position to change his status.
He needs to own his past, but he also must be allowed to live a life on the right path since this mistake as a minor which all indications are he has. If he makes it to the pros it would be considerate to offer a donation to the family through his attorney if they would accept it.
Just talked to my wife about it. Says it is a tough situation, but thinks Luke is being treated unfairly by the press, says it may come with the territory since he is very successful at baseball (so far). She was a Social-worker for 9 years working with all types of cases like his. Sexual predators are very hard to “fix”, if not the hardest, and if he had any more extreme predatory inclination, he would have molested again by now.
he would have molested again by now.
Maybe he has.
Big distinction between molesting and being caught molesting.
Angry…you don’t know. So if this kid has been convicted, registered as a sex offender, supposedly been a good guy since been at Oregon State….in theory he has started down the road to contrition. But yet, you want to throw shade on him again. Maybe he has molested again?
Hope those glass mirrors don’t shatter for you.
Let me tell you something you should be concerned about. The President of the United States is the most embarrassing piece of shit, ignorant, lazy and stupid representative this country could ever have.
Oh by the way, does Jake 13- 0 still stink? Or has he now moved up to a legitimate #2 starter after today’s breaking news?
Words getting around….money being redirected to The Oregonian….
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/baseball/2017/06/08/standout-oregon-state-pitcher-has-sex-case-in-past/102635984/
It’s interesting that Clark cites federal student privacy laws for not commenting on the situation but why then could Bob Stoops comment when the Joe Mixon punch video came out?
Oregonian immediately issuing an editorial explanation on why they ran the story reeks to me. They present it as a public service but they knew that they were ethically on the wrong side of a business decision.
Also, the disclosure of the details really is a terrible disservice to the victim. The details provided make it pretty easy for anyone with knowledge of the family to know who the victim is and in short order I’m sure everyone in her community will know that she was molested by her infamous relative. As a parent there is no level of revenge in the news that would let me bring this kind of attention on my child.
Having a daughter in this age range I can say that if a 15 year old did what the report says to her, he wouldn’t be physically able to participate in collegiate sports.
This is where it gets fuzzy, what is the proper punishment for something so vile? 15 is old enough to know better but I’m not sure if I’d consider him now a danger to society. Does someone who commits this type of crime deserve a second chance? I’m not sure what the proper answer is and I assume it should be a case by case basis. Did he receive counseling, was/is he remorseful? Was he molested as a child?
What is OSUs role here, if they followed the laws and made sure that a registered sex offender was monitored properly (no on campus living, not involved with minors, various other things) do they have to make it public knowledge?
As for baseball, this sucks for the rest of the team but they can recover from it. I don’t think that they should use Luke and I hope someone gives him the advice to step away from the team. At this point he can only be a distraction.
I agree with everything your saying. Article screams look at me, but also it is a important and insightful, yet potentially damaging(victim) article. Not sure if it is ethical but that’s not my call, they ran it so that is on them.
My question is should he step away? Should/could he be a Vick type athlete, with more drastic influence? Open conversations with schools, kids etc.. about the damage and the reprocussions for years and years after you do something so horrific. Is there a way for someone to come back and be a “good” person after they do something so damaging? Or is that going to haunt him forever(is that bad). So many angles and baseball aside so sad for all parties. And than what was/is OSU place in all this? That for me is the most interesting, but I get the feeling we will never know. I’m guessing he might pitch one more game ever here, and we will put in place a no sexual predator in the athletic scholarship clause and it will be bygones.
Couldn’t agree more… see my last post on whether or not he is fixed or fixable. He seems to be well past the window for repeating molesting again (Almost all repeat within two-three years of the first offense if they are on the road to repeat offender) if he still has the predatory inclination.
He should man up with an explanation and remove himself from the team immediately.
Might there be important facts we don’t know about yet? For example, what if Luke made full and complete disclosure to Pat Casey and to OSU before being admitted to OSU? What if Luke was then advised by OSU to say nothing more about this to anyone? Did that happen? I don’t know. Neither do you. And that’s just one possible scenario among many.
Fact is, none of us on this site yet knows the full story here. Might be wise to learn a bit more before pronouncing final judgment. The Oregonian (perhaps) was justified in going public before learning all the facts. But the angrybeavs community has always held itself to a higher standard than The Oregonian, right?
He should step away from OSU, not from baseball altogether. And he should step away for the sanctity of the girl’s privacy — he should explicitly state that too, and if Casey already knew, Casey should backup that decision. I have a feeling that the Oregonian will keep dragging this story, the girl, and Heimlich through the mudd, just to make a point. He can stop it all now (at least in the short term), by disappearing for a while.
He already did that. By adhering to the sentence that was handed down. If you aren’t comfortable with the sentencing guideline in these types of cases? Well, that’s on you
I agree, that he is most likely in (fixed) category but what does that mean for his future. Just because he’s not going to reoffend does it mean that he gets a clean slate? How do we decide what is a fair punishment for something like this?
One other thought, Casey had to have known about this from the beginning. If Luke didn’t disclose this during the recruiting process then Casey would have removed him as soon as he found out. Only my opinion but I think Casey thought that he could help Luke and mentor him and help with his redemption from being a felon at 15.
I believe this to be exactly the case, and they wanted to keep it hush-hush, but here we are.
Also, Casey and staff probably didn’t know the details of the conviction (the why, what, and how). I’m only guessing.
The Oregonian did the right thing in breaking the story, although the timing is a bit suspect. Regardless, Luke IS a sex offender and has been punished to the extent of the law. He will continue to be persecuted by the public for the rest of his life, but he also deserved the opportunity to get the rest of his life right. He deserves the opportunity to contribute to society, and his best path for that is as a professional pitcher. The public should not take that away from him. My opinion of him has drastically changed but if he can become a decent human while pitching in the MLB, I would prefer that over many alternatives. I would also hope he offers the family some type of restitution when he can.
Also, this could very likely be the decline of OSU baseball. Casey may have to step down depending on what he knew and when. That seems extreme since it is not a recent crime, but he will likely get too much public pressure.
I have a feeling you are right. My biggest question is did he know and want to help? Or baseball first? Or did he not know and now is in pure question mode? My guess is he didn’t know while recruiting, and when he enrolled he found out. Than at that time he wasn’t going to bail on this kid for his childhood actions and Had a high opinion of him and thought he could be a good influence and this kid could help on the field.
Either way I do have a feeling this might be the end of Pat Casey and Oregon state baseball. I hope not and I hope they navigate thru this. They need to be honest and get everything out front and if they knew, just explain that they wanted to help him. They cannot hold the hands close to the chest and play “Oregon” in this case. I think that will do too much damage. If they knew(which I think they did at some point) they need to be proactive and out front and honest, and say they wanted to give this kid a second chance.
Just wow.
Some of you………….who made YOU judge, jury and executioner. I won’t condone what he did in any way, shape or form. But if he did what was required from his sentence, and continues to walk the straight and narrow? Good for him. I guess none of you ever made a mistake or did something you horribly regret.
He doesn’t owe anyone an explanation. Or an apology. Because he would have already had to have done that to his victim and family at sentencing.
Shame on the Oregonian for even bringing this to light again. You think the victim and family want to be bothered about this and have to answer any more questions?
Oh and double fuck you to the district attorney’s office in Benton County. This isn’t the first time you’ve completely fucked up and attempted to ruin someone or a family without legally having the justification to do so. Which many residents in this county KNOW and probably why you won’t be getting that new jail you oh so want badly any time soon. Clean the shit out of your own house first.
Lastly, I guarantee Oregon State University and the baseball coaches knew. However due to privacy laws concerning student athletes they couldn’t nor would’ve said anything. If there was any concern, he wouldn’t have ever been with the baseball program or played at Oregon State.
Danny Moran, YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT with zero journalistic integrity. Your dad should have pulled out.
I’m coming in late to this having been in meetings the past two days. I’m trying to figure out, did any party do anything incorrectly or break a law recently? Was there a deliberate cover up? If not, then maybe playing devil’s advocate a little… it seems arbitrary that we are saying a registered sex offender who served his sentence can’t go to college and have a baseball career? If that’s a no go, then what career is acceptable? If they have turned their life around, they should they just be a dishwasher? I’m not getting the angst unless there was a cover up by OSU.
Because it’s a smear campaign brought out by Danny Moron and the boregonian two days before the super regional against an SEC team. It’s called click bait in a failing industry.
If this was just a student at Oregon State and not a student athlete, would it even be in the news?
Seems like it because otherwise, we all have to agree that a convicted minor sex offender who served his sentence and has followed all that is required for the past six years cannot get a college education or play collegiate sports. But, hey, go flip burgers that’s ok.
I agree that olive is running this as a pure click bait article. I don’t agree that what they did was wrong. I believe what this “star” pitcher did was horrendous and disgusting. I do t think he should be able to run from it and glad it came to light. Not sure timing wise it is in the best interest of the victim, because they waited till the peak and then let this come out. I honestly think if I was the parent I’d be pissed.
I would have wanted it to be a subtle article just letting loose he is a sex offender. Not at the peak of his college career right before the playoffs where everyone in the country is diggin into him and who my family was. I believe it should be public k owledge that this kid isn’t just an amazing pitcher but has a horrible past.
That being said I’m beyond(as I never posted here before but had to cause this is so so crazy to me) myself, so so many questions about Oregon state and their involvement and I really hope it has a good place behind it, but I’m also at such a loss for Luke. I am absolutely disgusted by his past, but so confused on what to want for him moving forward. Should he quit baseball? Should he pretend nothing happened and not face this? Or in my opinion should he come out and be as real and open and honest and explain his remorsefulness and do everything he can to move forward with this being a known thing for him now?
Only thing I know is, I feel absolutely horrible for the victim. Beyond belief. And I also want to feel that Luke is a good person and is doing everything he can to be a better person and a model citizen. I also want to hear/know Oregon state dug into this kid and took the path that they could give him a amazing opportunity to provide leadership and growth for him to succeed in life. To give him a path to become the best human he can be
I honestly hope he does pitch Friday night. And throws meat pitch after meat pitch and the Beavs lose by 15 runs at his final appearance at Goss. So you will all remember him for the subhuman piece of garbage you all judge him to be.
Yeah! Then he kills himself after wouldn’t that just ice the cake! /sarcasm
Fuckin A right! Because NO ONE deserves a 2nd chance. Especially kid diddlers! Who only did it once. 8 years ago. As a 15 year old minor child themselves. And has been a model citizen since (allegedly). Yep, let’s stone that motherfucker on the mound at Goss in front of EVERYONE!
So, I have thought about this all day and discussed it with multiple people (OSU fans and non-OSU fans).
I still don’t know how to feel. What he did was definitely wrong but should his life be over?
I don’t know.
One thing I do wish is that the Oregonian had sat on the story for a few weeks, why cause waves for all the other members of this team over a story where no one is in any imminent danger? At the end of the day I think the Oregonian didn’t want to get scooped by a national publication when he falls in the draft (guarantee MLB teams knew) but I’d rather they not wrecked what could be a great moment for all the other kids on this team.
That is actually a great point
I will just say that now this board is becoming part of the ‘problem’. No matter how you title/label it, whatever stance you take there is too much innuendo and rumors floating in here…. very likely Luke was molested… Did PC or school know… wrong this… right this…
I realize this is a discussion topic of the most negative kind, but it happened… the crime… the judicial process… the punishment… the follow up crime of omission/lack of awareness… the published article… the unwanted national attention. It’s not that I think it should be “let go”, but these threads are not helping anyone in anyway. The blame game, the innuendo, the anger and accusations are now perpetuating the same. It is not what is needed now.
In the weird department… we play a Vandy team who tragically loses a player in last year’s post season that has a horrific effect on the entire team, and this year we in a sense “lose” a player that may have a similar damper on our post season.
In the life moves forward, it is part of who Luke is forever, and a lesson learned the very hard way. In looking at his future MLB teams are very thorough in vetting players, and most likely knew of this situation. For the most part it was not public knowledge, now it most certainly is. In the climate of today’s world I’m wondering if team’s save the ire of negative publicity and do not draft Luke nearly as high???
A life lesson that most certainly keeps on giving. I’m not a religious man in terms of organized religion, but I do believe in a higher power, and pray that Luke is given the strength to endure and continue to overcome his mistake. It will be painful, but it will make him a better man. I’d love nothing more for him to start and show the mental toughness to pitch a great game… win or lose. It will be a mental battle that will make future pressure situations pale in comparison. But, if he can not be at near 100% I can fully understand that too.
GO BEAVS
I don’t know what mean that AB is part of the problem. People are sharing their reactions to an issue. This is the problem?
Yes.
If people continue to talk about these issues, they don’t go away.
Just read Canzano’s commentary piece. Not sure why he felt compelled to put the specific details of the sexual contact in a highighted grey quote box. Isn’t “felony sexual contact with a minor” specific enough for the reader? Especially when the original Moran story already had those details? I think we get it at that point.
This from the guy who in the first post on this thread wrote “It’s a complicated issue”.
No, it isn’t. It isn’t complicated at all and was addressed internally before he even set foot on campus. Did you ever read a headline that stated “Oregon State baseball brings in a convicted sex offender in the recruiting class of 201X? The only people who made it complicated were the Benton County district attorney’s office and Danny Moran.
This is disgusting. All you pieces of shit bashing the news outlets and reporters should be ashamed of yourselves. If this kid wasn’t? a good pitcher in fucking BASEBALL at OUR ALMA MATER, you would definitely have a different view. Think about it assholes!
Think about what actually happened and this girl who now has to go through rest of her life with this because of this sick fuck. “Wow the media’s really blowing this out of proportion, he’s a really good kid and has learned his lesson…”
Think about what your opinion of him would be if he played for Oregon or another school?
You guys are fucking idiots!
Thank you for thinking you know everything about everyone.
My opinion would be identical regardless of where/who he played for. But thanks for expressing your opinion.
A few questions:
What do you believe should happen to the kid?
Put him to death? Prison for life? No college, job, or future of any kind?
When you actually answer those questions I will take you insults seriously.
Kid? 23 isn’t a kid. Is 15 a kid? Another question, if this was a female with a male victim, would it be looked at or treated the same? If this was an Oregon State softball pitcher that did the same to a male victim would it have even been covered in the news?????
Probably, because the victim was male……and it was a softball player.
Well he has a point. This is the same shit people in Steubenville were saying when their football team raped women. “They’re good kids” yada yada.
If he was 50 instead of 20 nobody would say that.
So, it’s just messed up all around. Our brains aren’t wired to deal with things like this. People think about his bright future, the baseball team, and then the victim last. B/c we have more incentive and personal investment to care about him and the team than a faceless victim.
Anyway, I think he should pitch on Friday since there’s no active crime. He’s registered for life as a sex offender and now has public shame, so there’s not much more society can do to him at this point. Personally, if I were him and truly not behaving this way anymore and really did reform, I’d reach out to that victim and try to mend it so they can have a life. So it’s not so much “what should happen to the kid?” so much as it’s “what should the kid do for the victim?” in my book.
Stuebenville? Seriously? Apples to Oranges comparison!
Stuebenville, ONE victim, multiple perpetrators. Not even close to being a similar case. The only parallel is the victim was underage.
I never said they were the same. I said people said the same things, that these were good kids, this got in the way of their scholarships/future, etc. We’re hearing the same — Luke is a model teammate, mlb now doesn’t want to draft him, etc. Boo hoo, sob story for the perps. That part is apples to apples and what I specifically called out.
I agree he should reach out…but it strikes me that there is little chance of that until the victim is an adult. First, in terms of being able to face Luke as an equal (adult) and process things and even consider forgiving him and second, I suspect it would have to be without Mom around as I don’t she will ever forgive him based on the comments we saw.
I would think he can’t be near her or try to contact her, even indirectly, as a part of his sentence.
If he wasn’t a nationally ranked college baseball pitcher most people wouldn’t know about it at all.
Apparently your definition of an idiot is anyone who has an opinion that differs from yours?
fEdit — this was supposed to be a reply to Once a Beav, above
Agreed. He faced the penalties of the law, now he has faced the full extent of the public’s punishment. No active crime during his time at Oregon State, he should play and remain on the team; even barring the Universities mistake or unknowing of these past transgressions, that’s on them.
Also, side thought to the above, it’s funny how if the coin was flipped him at 13-15 if he had sex with a say 18+ year old the law would consider him unable to consent or know his actions. Again, sticky situation all around.
There is very little hope to reform specific kinds of sex abusers, namely ones who commit crimes against very young children. This is a fact. There is plenty of research in the field of criminology and psychology to support this. As the victim was 4 when these acts began occurring, I have serious concerns about the mental health of Heimlich. The fact that these acts were not a one time thing, but spanned a period of time of 2 years until the victim was 6 is also of great concern.
Honestly, I cannot think of any incident quite like this one in sports involving such a young victim.
Really? Because the research in his case states the exact opposite. Where are your sources?
I’m curious to see the research. Got links?
This link contains many resources on the topic as well as recommendations on the treatment of offenders by the legal system:
http://www.njjn.org/our-work/juvenile-justice-policy-sex-offense-registration-and-notification-laws
You’re treading beyond “allegedly” territory there.
The fact is one act occurred and was admitted. I don’t even know why that one was admitted. His lawyer must have sucked eggs at the time.
There was no two year span confirmed by any authority. I don’t even see a coherent timeline for that rumor as presented by the O.
Stick to the admission of guilt, and leave that which the prosecutor saw as so unfit so as to dismiss it out of your rant.
Wow just wow. I’m at a total loss.
So the first wave is over.
Do we begin the religious portion of this scandal tomorrow? Finding Jesus (most commonly next to Waldo) cures a lot of things.
Honestly, it sounds more like some of the stories from some fundy Mormon refugees with the schism in the family and all that. But I’m pretty sure somebody’s god allows for absolution if he hugs it out in at least two prayer circles, says four hail Marys and thanks white Jesus a whole bunch.
Oh… you think I’m kidding.
I just hope nobody trots out ye olde Psalm 23:4… as some are wont to do in these situations.
OT: How about some good news? Young Tinkle has not fractured a bone for a couple weeks.
http://pamplinmedia.com/pt/256-sports/kerry-eggers/362267-239911-osu-welcomes-back-on-court-leader
I wouldn’t be too excited, I don’t think anyone has looked at him cross-eyed yet!
Luke needs to come out in front of the media, apologize for what he did with all sincerity and announce that he will create an endowment fund for the little girl and donate a large portion of his salary to child abuse. Of course this does not exonerate him in any way, but it would show his sincerity and willingness to help others in that situation.
I believe Casey knew. I suspect it was part of the reason Luke got out of Puyallup early. Casey didn’t need to reveal that he knew because, as I understand it, the documents were sealed.
Great……http://nypost.com/2017/06/08/the-star-of-college-baseballs-best-team-is-a-child-molester/amp/
Can we stop calling it a “mistake”. A mistake is backing into someone in the parking lot or maybe driving after a few too many. This was repeated sexual abuse. Argue, if you want about the role of the justice system and what if any privelages the guy should have but don’t call it a fucking mistake.
It’s not repeated behavior according to his conviction.
I have a feeling this might have been a he/she said thing where a teen got the old overnight-talking-to from a tag team of questioners and without anyone there to represent him.
Ha!
Caught you changing your story slightly here, the thirty-seventh time you described it… right here, at 4:45 am in our discussion. We can throw the book at you if you go to court now. Admit your guilt on that one part, and we’ll make the attempted murder charges go away.
But that’s just one way it could have happened. It could also be that he’s going to run for POTUS one day, and he did it and bragged about it.
The Oregonian did a poor job on this answering all those questions. That might be because what can anyone say about a case involving minors? I see a bunch of people saying he did this over two years and several times. If that was the case, do you think a prosecutor would have dismissed that idea? I can come up with reasons for a teen to succumb to police methods and admit to something he didn’t do. I can’t come up with reasons for a prosecutor to drop valid charges.
But since the prosecutor did it, so should you do it.
yeah cause he took a plea
Then what was recorded is what happened.
You’re not arguing with me. The prosecutor is the one who thought it didn’t warrant those more serious charges. He can only take what he’s offered.
I’ve been seeing so many people on twitter and in comment sections jumping all over someone if they refer to it as a mistake. I don’t get why and it’s really fucking annoying. It was many things, including, by definition, a mistake.
1. an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong.
I suspect people attack back with this strategy because they don’t have a better counter argument.
Either way, it was a major covfefe
Additionally, a better word for backing into someone in the parking lot would be accident. Unless you do it on purpose, then we would be back in mistake territory.
I think it’s because mistake implies something minor that isn’t a crime. Sure, it fits that definition above, but when we hear the word mistake we don’t think of felonies. “I blew my dad’s brains out because I wanted his inheritance — it was such a mistake”…does that sentence make any sense to you?
You’re probably just upset because it’s a Beav being grilled and want to soften it with “he made a mistake”. Most people aren’t going to want to use that word since it’s so serious.
I’m always annoyed by the policing of the terminology people use to describe something. We can be adults and talk about what’s going on without the need to preface every word just because it’s a delicate topic. You ever notice how so many people preface their statements to make it clear they don’t condone child molestation or rape etc? I personally don’t think that’s necessary because I assume the vast majority of people are not child molesters.
If you express some empathy for Heimlich, that does not mean that you don’t care about the victim. So instead of addressing that possibility, people will instead pick a word used in your comment, disect it, apply an unintended meaning and try to shame you into agreeing with them.
Delicate?
You think this is just a delicate topic?
I see what you did there, Jack. That actually made me laugh.
So as best as I can tell there has been no additional crimes committed by anyone involved or aware of this. So the story appears to be a question of what is moral in our society. Should someone who committed a felony as a minor and completed his sentence to the satisfaction of the court be allowed a college athletic scholarship? Looks like some schools say no, OSU (and other schools) have said yes.
Mark Wahlberg was convicted of violent hate crimes at 16, he’s a superstar actor now, seems like a lot of people are ok with that. Charles S.Dutton killed a man (convicted of murder) and later became a successful character actor.
If there is outrage, it should be directed at the university for their current policies (or lack of a policy). Heimlich has an obligation to be a productive citizen moving forward and seems to have done so. I’m not sure why people want more from him now or to sentence him again?
Very well said mckalk.
Thank you, sir!
One difference is that Oregon law requires certain sex crimes to require registration for many years or even life. Fair or not, it’s the law.
I feel a bigger issue is to what extent did OSU attempt to suppress this information? When did it know? Was Luke given accommodations that were preferential?
As a fan and alum, I don’t like that this information is “hidden.” But then again, it involves crimes as a minor.
One ethical question is, did the Oregonian go too far in publishing as many details as they did? Trying to think of this from multiple sides. Not sure.
If I’m understanding correctly, what would there be to suppress if this information is available in the state of Washington? It was always there, right?
You’re assuming OSU knew. They haven’t told us that. They are hiding behind student privacy laws that were intended to protect grades from becoming public info, not this.
Also, the crime allegedly occurred multiple times when the victim was between the ages of 4-6.
Not so easy to tie a neat little bow on this until OSU speaks.
Conspiracy theory here: I think Moran had wind of the situation before he wrote the article. I don’t buy (paraphrasing here from the Oregonian – why we wrote this) – that Moran checked on everyone about whom he wrote profile articles.
I think it’s interesting that the paper felt the need to write a somewhat lengthy follow up response to justify why they ran the story. It’s their right to run it when they want to, but there is no doubt in my mind that the timing sensationalizes the story. I would guess there was a business component to their decision.
Indeed.
I’m inclined to agree. And I’m wondering how Moran got in contact with the victim’s mother for the quotes in his article. There’s no way that she was named in the case reports. Hmm.
I had an ex-girlfriend who was molested by her cousin at the age of four. They never forget, but I can’t imagine she would want to re-live all these details on a national scale. What a sad situation.
I think Heimlich is a creep, but he served what punishment was deemed fit by the justice system. Should he be punished again or not have been allowed to go to college? I don’t think OSU did anything wrong here, but the damage is done, and they won’t come out looking good here no matter what happens. There are no winners in any of this.
Personally, I don’t want to see him on the mound–as unfair as that may be. It is, and will be, a giant distraction and not the sort of press OSU needs.
Being a 15 year old is different than being 20 or 50. That is just a fact. A 15 year old’s brain is still developing and to compare what a 15 year old does to that of an actual adult isn’t a good idea (its why charging them as adults is stupid).
I have worked in middle schools for over a decade, you’d be surprised (or maybe you wouldn’t) at the stupid things middle schoolers do. I’ve seen incidents where what is essentially sexual assault becomes a game amongst middle school boys. It doesn’t excuse it (and those kids are dealt with) but with a kid’s brain (learning about sexuality, peer pressure, figuring out what is okay/not okay) those lines can and do get blurred. That is just reality.
I still don’t really know how I personally feel about him pitching for the Beavs or how’d I’d feel if the Mariners decided to draft him but society has deemed him eligible to live among us so I feel we need to give him the opportunity to live his life. Articles like this one (while perfectly legal and within the Oregonian’s rights to publish) don’t help a young man who made a terrible terrible decision as a teen try to live a good life. Making people pariah’s for something they did as a teen is not a good idea in my view.
I personally would not have published this article.
And I believe that is a perfectly valid position to take and taking said position in no way condone’s what he did.
I had a co-worker who was a victim. Same story… cousin baby-sits about six or so times over a period. The sixth time she complains about cousin grabbing her and hurting her boo boo, a bruise in a weird spot. Mother takes kid to therapist, who determines she has been molested over a set amount of time. Mother takes it to the police, who go find the cousin after school and take him in for “a talk” for several hours. Cousin’s parents start to worry about cousin but can’t find him. They call the very precinct he’s in… sorry… nobody here by that name.
Cousin admits to maybe touching that bruised spot while changing her into pjs because he was wondering how a bruise got there (in the transcript). Police take that to mean he touched her sexually and inappropriately, and they smack him with a gotcha. Confess to that, and you can go home. All this can go away if you just tell us this truth.
Cousin was lucky. Parents finally found him and lawyered him the hell up. The police and prosecutor took their case to court and made it a point to try to put that family in the poor house. The cousin was not convicted of anything in the end because there just wasn’t any evidence, including the smoking hot gun they thought they had and tried to use to wrench a confession out of him.
The sibling parents were torn apart and blamed each other for everything. Life sucked for everyone, and the little girl was still a victim.
That co-worker is now best friends with her cousin. It turns out it was her dad who was abusing her. But making daddy go away would make mommy sad, at least that’s what daddy told her. But as long as there was this court case going on, the abuse stopped.
Now that said,
I do think a different tact could have been taken with this story and still led to the larger debate (should OSU consider a minor’s criminal history when letting them be involved with athletics)
The Oregonian could have easily reported that they have learned that a member of a prominent athletic program at OSU was convicted of molesting a child prior to enrolling at OSU but since he/she was a minor at the time of the crime the Oregonian is choosing to withhold the name.
Now of course, other groups might find the name but it still leads to the same debate without putting a microscope on the guilty (potentially the college, possibly Casey, and Heimlich, the victim (the little girl), and the innocent (the rest of the players).
It’d be a macro view on the issue which is better for a debate anyhow in my opinion.
I’d encourage people to slow down with any praise of the Oregonian when it comes to the victim’s point of view. Yes, people like to see the offender get consequences in the form of shame and humiliation, but this is the victim’s story to be told when and how the victim wants it to be told. I can imagine putting her story on public display as fodder for readers everywhere is potentially retraumatizing her. And along with her current age, not good for her emotional and social development, which for even someone without trauma, can be difficult to navigate.
When the news broke it was like a sucker punch. It’s a horrible thing for everyone involved. My wife was a victim and I have a nephew that is labeled a sex offender though being familiar to his case it’s an example of prosecutor over-reach. So to say that I’m conflicted is an understatement. So after sleeping on it I’ve come to a couple of conclusions.
The first is that I believe in the power of personal redemption and though Luke shouldn’t be given a complete pass he should be able to move on and be a productive citizen (like he now appears to be). Therefore he should pitch tonight if he wants to and his teammates concur.
The University should have written policy on felony charges and sex crimes that have occurred prior to enrollment that have been adjudicated.
I don’t like how the Oregonian handled the story. It seems like all they’re interested in is the traffic and dollars that the story will bring in. The story here is bigger than Luke’s case. The debate should be about University policy and what they owe their students. That could have been published after the season is over. After all, the Oregonian sat on the story about Neil Goldschmidt diddling his babysitter for years.
Very OT: With all the tidbits ESPN announcers like to put out re players; when they are praising Adley Rutschman – I haven’t heard a word about his dad, Randy, being a catchers coach @ George Fox.
Randy was a very popular teacher and coach in the Tigard school district. Coaching is in his blood. Not surprised he’s at the college level. Great educator.
OT, but I’m thinking of a career change into electrical engineering. Do you guys know if OSU offers anything online? I’d rather go there than to a CA school. Might be more money out of state, but I don’t like CA’s institutions or ideologies and honestly just don’t want to give this State any more of my money. It’s such a damn rip off.
Would also be interested in any other schools you know of that have good online programs in that field.
As a Purdue grad, I can objectively say the Engineering program is top notch, and the name itself has a really good west coast reputation. People are very impressed when I tell them I went there, and I don’t do anything to down play that. They’re trying to increase their online presence, but I don’t know where that is at the moment and how that fits specifically with the School of Engineering.
You mean you’re not getting rich off this site? Kidding of course but thank you for providing a normally entertaining forum.
Not sure how influential Canzano is, but he is calling for Heimlich to withdraw from pitching in this series and make the announcement himself.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2017/06/canzano_troubling_case_of_oreg.html
He’s getting on his high horse. I can’t understand the logic of it. If there was an active crime, yeah. I’m not in Luke’s corner at all yet still don’t get that logic.
I’m so pleased that “Judge Canzano” was able to find the additional punishment necessary six years after the fact for Heimlich. We can all rest easy now that he has spoken.
There’s some buzz out there that OSU was as clueless as everyone else regarding Heimlich’s felony, so maybe Canzano is thinking a straight up guy would have told OSU about this going in? I will say this, they must have a crappy background system check at OSU if this information was accessible in Washington and didn’t come up. Maybe they don’t even run BG’s on scholarship athletes?
He’s right. Luke’s a distraction. The only way this team wins is without him. It’s not fair to any of them for him to ask this of them right now.
Sorry. I didn’t read the article. So he may be right for the wrong reasons. But it’s unfair to his team first. And being a good teammate means you recognize this.
Probably a given that it’s a distraction at this point, Canzano wants Luke to make a statement removing himself as a respectful gesture to the victim as I’m understanding. I guess after he serves that punishment he can pitch in the CWS if they make it?
That’s ridiculous. The courts will tell him when it’s proper for him to even know she exists. Or maybe she will one day. Superfluous acts by him in her direction would be highly inappropriate.
I heard this afternoon that Luke is just one of OVER 700 registered sex offenders currently enrolled at OSU.
I hope O-live does and article on each and every one of them. That’ll keep ’em busy for a couple years,..
You heard? From a credible source? If true, then yes, the Oregonian better get to work and out every one of them so they don’t portray a double standard. In fact, they better start outing all of the sex offenders at every educational institution in Oregon, otherwise they are doing a disservice to all of the victims and innocent people attending those institutions.
it was from one of Canzano’s cronies…
Just for clarification, the number is more like 70.
Well Luke released a statement. I think that it was a good move.
Link?
Canzano just said that the baseball program didn’t know he was a sex offender. 4th story on channel 8. So did the university know and not relay the message, or were they in the dark also?
Link to Luke’s statement. He asked to not pitch tonight.
https://twitter.com/DannyJMoran/status/873312134469255169/photo/1
I have taken responsibility for my conduct when I was a teenager. As a 16 year old, I was placed on juvenile court probation and ordered to participate in an individual counseling program. I’m grateful for the counseling I received, and since then, I realized that the only way forward was to work each day on becoming the best person, community member and student I can possibly be. I understate that many people now see me differently, but I hope that I can eventually be judged for the person I am today.
“I’m so proud of our team’s accomplishment and don’t want to be a distraction. Therefore, I’ve respectfully requested to be excused from playing at this time.”
Eggers tweets, Luke made the decision to set out tonight.
Luke Heimlich will not pitch tonight— his decision. Wants to do what’s in best interest of team & not be distraction. Jake Thompson to start
That’s what I wrote in the other thread…that unless he felt he couldn’t do it he should do it.
Well that’s good. Canzano will be happy that Luke did what he said he should.
Is he not pitching again this year? Or do we even know his immediate future? The team is NOT better w/o him (obviously). You know what else is distracting? Going from the best team of all time in some people’s minds……to losing and not making the CWS.
Hopefully he pitches tomorrow.
So basically that hasn’t been ruled out. Everyone is claiming this was his decision and he’s supposedly free to pitch when he wants to?
As someone who has provided sex offender treatment, I would of preferred that he referred specifically to completing sex offender treatment, as well as a reference to the damage he has done.
You caaaan’t always get what you waaaaaant.
True. And you raise a good point, if the Beavs win, does this issue mean we get no satisfaction?
Nice one.
If anyone here works at the Oregonian or knows people who do, ask around and get back to me with the motivation behind this story. At first I thought they were fulfilling their obligation to report this, but Canzano lobbying for Luke not to pitch was completely weird, and it gives some credence to the idea that they’re butt-hurt the Beavs (instead of the Ducks) are having the best season in history. Canzano’s lobbying for him not to pitch = completely bizarre. The guy is a pedo, but he has no active crimes or charges pending and would face the wrath of the fans/opponent, so why lobby for him not to pitch? He veiled it as some honorable thing to do for the victim. Makes no sense. Canzano is usually alright. Like he realized Riley stunk, realized Andersen has huge upside, etc. I never got the impression he hated the Beavs. I guess it’s possible he truly believes what he’s writing and there’s no conspiracy or jealousy, but he never explained the logic (which there is none) behind it.
Anyway, if any of you guys know anything email me. Ask around, etc. It’s starting to smell worse as the Oregonian or their writers write more.
Canzano latest piece won’t allow anyone to comment. Never seen that before.
Meh… it’s capitalism.
You have to strike while the iron is hot if you want a piece of that action.
Going too far would be to hack the victim’s private correspondence.
Many people on the college baseball subreddit are sharing the same sentiment (people not even fans of our team).
https://www.reddit.com/r/collegebaseball/comments/6gby7j/heimlich_releases_a_statement/
I don’t think Canzano gives a shit about either team, but the Oregonian would definitely get more clicks if the Ducks were in the postseason. The article was only about money, that’s it. If it was about “doing the right thing” they would be printing 20 articles a day about all the sex offenders in colleges. Why does the fact that Luke is an athlete somehow single him out among other sex offenders?
If it was about “doing the right thing” they would be printing 20 articles a day about all the sex offenders in colleges.
Yeah, I mean, that is solid logic. Their counter would likely be that they discovered this during a background/interview check (isn’t this what they claim?), and they don’t interview all the other college sex offenders…
I told Canzano, on Twitter, that I have questions for him and I’m willing to go on the show and ask him. We’ll see if he has the balls to do it.
Don’t forget to find out when the articles on the other 700 OSU sex offenders will be out.
Although, keeping an open mind, I understand that the O has an obligation to print information they learn, and they only learned about this because they were looking for background info on an interview subject. It could just be an unfortunate series of events that brought this to light. Ok, now I’ll go back to hating the O.
I am tired of Oregonian acting like they are putting all this out there from the moral high ground. They wanted the story to have maximum clicks and are using it for such. That is clearly what was most considered by them as Canzano acts so righteous.
This would have better served all parties with a release after the season if at all. None of this serves the victim. Instead it only serves to sensationalize. The act as a teen was egregious but I admire Luke for finding any outlet to be his best both for himself and his community. His outstanding ERA is a testament IMO to how deep the human spirit can delve to grind oneself out of a hole.
That is who I believe Luke is today and I would appreciate being witness to a redemption story by having him pitch tomorrow. I think that has much more lessons to offer society than Canzano’s false high horse proclamations of why the story was rushed to print.
It’s only a major news story because of what Heimlich (and the team) have achieved. Even on the Portland news channel I was watching yesterday, they made the point a couple of times that Luke was convicted as a minor and has served his sentence and then they emphasized that there is no crime involved with this current story. It’s a network that Canzano is not involved with, so I wonder if they were trying to tone down the hyperbole.
I was pro Oregonian for printing this originally, but Canzano has swayed me. Saying Luke should “do the right thing” and not pitch shows a real interest in the Beavs losing rather than the real story/moral high ground, which they hitched their wagon to (appropriately at first, but now so transparent). Loose lips sink ships, and Canzano’s motives have become apparent.
I don’t remember Canzano saying the Riley should sit out some games for the Brenda Tracy story.
And apparently Canzano believes in redemption for a Altman (after calling for his firing) given his fawning articles about the Duck’s tournament run this year, but seems to have little to spare for a young man in the process of improving his life.
Anyone have links to those Altman stories and Canzano’s reaction? I want to write a piece bashing him and could use them.
The ESPN ticker reads like Luke may be done for the season, is that how everyone is interpreting this?
That’s how I interpreted everything when I first heard this story.
I don’t argue with the ju ju. Penance isn’t a legal idea for me.
And there we go….like I was saying earlier, Luke needed to take remove himself to transcend the situation, get everyone involved out of the cross hairs. I’m glad it was his decision. Now everyone can move on….? Or will he be back?…Canzano too?
It will be interesting to see if Luke pitches again. It I had to guess, I would think that he is done as an OSU baseball player and that the suggestion may have been made by university higher ups to Casey that this will present the institution in the best light. Unfortunately for Luke, he now has to serve his second sentence for his crime.
Looks like Moran is still digging for something in his latest story, he’s trying to find out when Luke’s high school AD knew about his registered sex offender status and what others at the high school knew. He also quotes someone praising the Indiana University admission policy. I see what The Oregonian is doing here, their trying to drum up outrage over OSU’s perceived soft policy on felons playing sports (or even attending the school) because otherwise what is the story now?
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2017/06/luke_heimlich_releases_stateme.html
I just finished reading a thought-provoking and disturbing article in The New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/14/when-kids-are-accused-of-sex-crimes
The subheading of the article: “When juveniles are found guilty of sexual misconduct, the sex-offender registry can be a life sentence.”
The article tells the stories of juveniles in various parts of the country who pleaded guilty to sexual misconduct (including molestation of younger relatives), had their names added to sex offender lists, and then were subjected to torments that….well, read the article to see for yourself.
The article is long (like many New Yorker articles) but worth the time and effort (in my view) to get a deeper understanding of Luke’s situation and the difficult issues involved (rather than the superficial click-bait being spewed by Canzano and others like him).
Reading the article may or may not change your bottom line re Luke Heimlich and whether he should pitch again for Oregon State. But it will definitely give you a lot to think about.
Thanks for the post. The law of unintended consequences at work. The Wetterling story had been a huge one here in Minnesota for twenty years.
Really good article, Silver. Thank you for finding and linking. The Duck trolls are like rabid dogs with this over on O-Live with this. It seems like the fact that Heimlich was a MINOR is being lost on many. I’m not making excuses, it’s a fact in this case and of course the legal consideration.
I actually found the Dana Altman and Mike Riley cases far more disturbing because it was adults involved and men in leadership positions who I believe failed miserably with their duties, but got off virtually unscathed by essentially “playing dumb”.
I’d say that the Oregonian has timed this article for their own benefit and any other reasons are thinly veiled attempts to hide that motive.
I will no longer go to their sites. As for Canzano, for the 2 minutes I could stomach him on Thursday, he sounded thrilled to have something to pontificate about. As if he is any authority, really ridiculous grandstanding. I don’t listen to him, but thought I would check in a nd see how he was approaching the issue. Grandstanding bald-headed hypocrite.
None of it condones what Luke did, but the additional coverage and articles go beyond the stated purpose of there first article.
Canzano’s new article is really bad. I am going to have to write up an article just to tear this one apart. So many contradictions and distorted logic.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2017/06/canzano_a_deep_dive_on_why_the.html
He just can’t let it go. At this rate Clownzano and the gang will be reporting on this for years to come.
That they keep putting up a defense speaks volumes to me. I also noticed on this latest Canzano article it’s someone named Ben Sherman from the Oregonian who is responding to posters.
I look forward to it, notice how little was mentioned about Heimlich being a minor. It’s not an unimportant point/factor. I’m also tired of the assumption/drama about a life being destroyed. I was sexually assaulted by a neighborhood babysitter when I was 10, he actually paid me money to not tell anyone after I tried to fight back and I never told anyone until I mentioned it to my Mom when I was an adult. It only happened once and I don’t even remember his name. I got on to doing things that 10 year old’s do. That assholes behavior did not define me. I doubt it is going to define this girl except for the fact that it has all been brought to the surface again by ADULTS.
If Canzano were taking questions, here are some I’d ask him:
1) Do you know whether any other college baseball teams have allowed registered sex offenders to participate in their programs? If so, how do you know? If not, why don’t you ask? Start with the Ducks, and go from there….
2) No reason to focus just on baseball, right? So how about football and basketball — do you know whether any college programs have allowed registered sex offenders to participate? Again, start by asking the Ducks, and go from there….
3) No reason to focus just on college sports, right? How about the Oregonian? Do you know whether the Oregonian has ever employed any registered sex offenders? If so, please provide details, including their names, their crimes, and their current whereabouts. Also, please explain why the Oregonian allowed them to obtain and/or keep jobs and to draw paychecks from your company.
Great points. I had thought of some but not all, and welcome all thoughts. I asked JC to put me on this show…to block a half hour slot. He PM’d me and said I can call in whenever I want, but a call-in is not enough time, so he deflected it basically. I’ll write an article here, link it to JC, and once again give him a chance to call me.
You should send Canzano that great article from the New Yorker that Silver posted since he apparently does not believe Heimlich being a minor is an important factor and does not know any of the research around minor sex offenders and their rehabilitation.. Maybe something like “before you hang Heimlich from the rafters take a deep breath and read this article closely, Canzano”,
Canzano also claims the molestation happened many times over several years per court report. Is that true? Makes a big difference in this idea that he can/has rehabbed and made a “mistake”. Anyone find the actual report?
Isn’t what someone is convicted of what really matters?
A report can say anything, but a prosecutor needs to be able to convict or charges are dropped for lack of evidence.
I believe this is what happened in Luke’s case. Allegations in reports are like rumors until enough evidence comes to light to press charges.
IMO Canzano is trying to keep this alive for the sensationalism and notoriety that the O gets out out it.
Not sure, but I’d like to see the court documents.
It is a weird feeling for me, because this time last year, I hadn’t actually taken a class on campus, yet (I’d registered for Summer term and taken classes online before that, but yeah). Having been in the environment with the students and staff, etc., and seen how everyone treats everyone else, this is not reflective of my experience at OSU.
It’s not something I know what to do with. On the one hand, it’s really fucked up, and something that can traumatize someone and affect them for life. You probably don’t ever exist in the same room as that girl ever again, if you can help it, because your presence might trigger PTSD-like episodes. Though I don’t know the extent of what happened there.
I don’t think that 15 year olds are the same as 21 year olds, or 21 year olds are the same as 30 year olds, etc. I observed a classroom of 15 year olds all Winter term. They’re a bunch of doofuses. Some are more mature than others, but on the whole, they seemed like little kids to me. Maybe they know right from wrong, but they also don’t know as much as an adult does. They don’t even know as much as the 18 to 22 year olds I had to live in a dorm with in the military, and a lot of those guys were friggen’ numbskulls. I know, I know, “grown-ass adult,” etc., etc. Isn’t the reason that 18 year olds can’t drink alcohol because their brain is supposedly still developing, however?
It was my understanding when I first read the Gazette Times article that Oregon laws are different from Washington laws, and that Luke didn’t realize he had to check in yearly on his birthday. He then immediately checked in, so he wasn’t charged. The school’s statement was that he couldn’t live on campus, and he couldn’t be around minors. Furthermore, the judge in the case had deemed him a low-risk offender.
Has anything ever been dredged up from a student athlete’s past as a minor, in Oregon sports history, before? I can’t recall a time. Any case I can remember, the crime happened while the student was at the university, and therefore was an adult. If there isn’t a precedent, I don’t see how one could speculate how beaver fans would react to such things surfacing about a duck player. I also don’t see how one could speculate how one might react to a story about a non student athlete, because that most likely wouldn’t be a story in the news. I know for a fact that I feel sympathy for most people, and i would feel sympathy for anyone who was doing what they could to, if not rectify what’s happened, work to become a better person. Student athlete or no.
Supposedly, Luke’s done everything he knew he was supposed to since this happened. That’s all we know. Any belief to the contrary is pure speculation and therefore useless, because all the evidence we have points to his doing what he’s supposed to do.
It feels gross because it is gross. It should never have happened. Sympathize with the little girl, hope she has gotten whatever counseling she’s needed because of it. Hope Luke has gotten whatever counseling he needs, as well, because the mind of someone who does that probably isn’t normal.
Seems pretty easy to just hate someone instead of looking at the nuance of the situation and the information, however. Seems pretty easy to just look at the world in black and white. Kinda simple-minded, lazy way out.
I find it funny O-live and Clownzano keep turning off comments when the majority start disagreeing with them, etc. They are trying to contain and censor opinion.
They are acting like what they are…liberal Democrats.
I can’t speak to the Democratic part, but fuck you for thinking what you so superficially give up in mental process in order to say something someone else told you to say.
If you truly want to talk about censorship, talk about the word I am forbidden to write without prompts.
Are you done being really stupid?
You don’t have the capacity to answer that question based on your past.
Just take a back seat and grumble every now and then. You’re that wrong now. You’ll be more wrong later/
Did they turn off comments on his latest article. I noticed someone else at The Oregonian, not Canzano was responding to some of the comments.
Yeah, Conzano disabled comments on his new article now and made the featured comment one that agreed with his article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-state-university-sexual-assault_us_56f426c3e4b02c402f66c3b9
If OSU wants to have any credibility in what they are doing to combat sexual assault crimes on campus, they can’t have a sex offender representing the university.