So the speculation is clearly just that and nobody knows anything yet. How about we think about what would make this coach a good hire?
I don’t think young and exciting = automatic good hire. Nor does someone over 50 automatically = bad hire. We need to be careful of the natural tendency to want the opposite of the last coach, which is just emotional backlash. Emotional decisions are rarely good ones. Personal story, but I remember dating a somewhat conservative girl years ago…then getting bored with her and going the opposite direction. That got scary fast. Rinse, repeat.
If I were in charge of this hiring, I’d step back and ask what it takes to win in this conference. Personally, I’d go for a defensive minded coach. The two best OSU teams (2000 and 2006) were based around defense and ground attack. When we look at Stanford’s run it was based around D and a ground game, and even Arizona this year. So I’d go with D and then supplement that with a ground game and savvy/heady QB. This guy doesn’t need to set passing records, just make clutch throws and convert 3rd downs at a good rate. The teams setting passing records (OSU and WSU) are also the teams finishing in the cellar. For this reason, I don’t like Beau Baldwin in any capacity, even OC. My #1 guy is Kirby Smart. Doubt he’s even on OSU’s radar. But he fits the bill. If they could land him and an OC who understands game flow and has good instincts (to know what is predictable, when, and why) I’d be happy.
Boring? Maybe. But that would win big. This is a reason I like Mendenhall despite some disliking him. He runs that exact style.
Regarding Matt Wells, Scott Frost, etc. They are both worth hard looks and I like them, but if I were interviewing them I’d grill them on their defensive philosophy and understanding of game planning for each opponent (something Banker was terrible at–same D no matter who he was playing).
I’m sticking with my original list (I’m skeptical that these “uber candidates” even really exist):
1. Frost
2. Wells
3. Baldwin
4. Wilcox
t5. Bob Stitt, Colorado School of Mines (D2)
t5. Joe Moglia, Coastal Carolina (FCS)
*Those last two guys are super dark horses and likely won’t even get a sniff at this job, but they’re innovative minds in the football world that might some day deserve a shot as an OC at an FBS school…
And my token minority candidates that should/could get interviewed:
Nigel Burton, fomer PSU HC
Kalani Sitake, Utah DC (he’s Tongan — does that count?)
All of those guys are offensively minded except Wilcox. I’m not that high on Wilcox…his TN D’s always stunk from what I saw (haven’t looked up the stats). His only impressive coaching was with BSU, and I’m not sure that’s enough. Why do you like Wilcox other than he’s a hot name?
I don’t love him, as he’s at #4, I figure if we can’t land Frost, Wells, or Baldwin (especially Baldwin, there’s no way he’d turn down the OSU job if offered), then we’re screwed anyway. Wilcox has some Pac-12 experience and he qualifies as a “young coordinator”, which is the direction I’d prefer we go. Just my opinion. I’m pretty anti-retread at this point, so Hoke (obviously), Orgeron, Tedford, and the like just don’t excited me.
And I know you’ve mentioned Kirby Smart — who I simply don’t know much about. But coming from Alabama, he can’t be awful. He could easily bump Wilcox off my list if I wasn’t skeptical that he’d come from the SEC penthouse to the Pac-12 cellar (for now).
Out of spite to fuck Slimey Sark is the main reason to hire Wilcox. Then again, not sure I’d really want anyone who would associate with that dbag.
All those retreads would be better than Baldwin. It’s not that I think Baldwin is bad; I just think he’d be in way over his head. It is too big a leap. He looks great b/c he has D1 players beating up on D2 players. That would change fast.
hugely agree with angry. No FCS coaches period for OSU HC position! Only way I would be ok with one is if they were an OC for the new HC. Does Beau Baldwin deserve a shot in the FBS ranks, absolutely but not as HC in a power 5 school. Let a directional U from the Group of 5 conferences take a shot on him as a HC otherwise Beau and all other FCS prospects are no better than an OC for us. Beau Baldwin’s teams also play terrible defense. That is a deal breaker alone.
My question there would be how much of that is the players he has, and how much of that is coaching?
Very nice write-up and take. I have been on the Kirby Smart road for some time and I agree that we need a D minded coach first. Look, as much as people like video game based scoring (I’m not included in that group however) it’s defense that wins championships and your reference to 2000 and ’06 are perfect examples.
That’s one of my reasons that I think OSU needs to look at someone who understands how to stop the spread/zone read offenses that are predominant in the Pac-12. Give me a Allen, Seigler, Swancutt, Edwards, and so on…
Three FCS coaches on your list? Glad you’re not on the search committee
check that. TWO FCS coaches and someone that coaches in an 8 man league. Awesome list
Bryan Harsin – If we can really rally donors to pay in the $2.5 million + range, I think we could theoretically lure him here. I feel like this could be one of the ‘knock your socks off’ candidates.
Pat Narduzzi – Defensive minded and I think he could succeed in Corvallis. Has pursued head coaching gigs before, so I think he may be interested.
Matt Wells – Likely a cheaper solution than Harsin, gives a lot of the same benefits in my mind.
Scott Frost – No head coaching experience, but knows how a good program runs.
Schiano, Del Rio – not really interested in them.
Baldwin – Not exciting at all.
Tedford, Hoke – No, god please no, noooooo!
I hope it’s not Tedford, he might as well be Riley’s older and wiser brother. So
A guy feeling tells me he’s in the mix…
Here’s my post for Will Muschamp from several days ago. Similar to Kirby Smart but with 4 years of head coaching.
Here is my case for Will Muschamp over anyone else. OSU needs a big fish coach and he’s available. He still wants to be a head coach. His defensive credentials are awesome and defense wins championships. His defenses are almost always in the top 20 nationally. Here’s how his defenses have ranked nationally in the past.
Team Year Yds per game Scoring D
LSU 2002 8 15
LSU 2003 1 1
LSU 2004 3 14
Dolphins 2005 18 15
Auburn 2006 19 7
Auburn 2007 6 6
Texas 2008 51 18
Texas 2009 3 12
Texas 2010 6 49
Florida 2011 8 20
Florida 2012 5 5
Florida 2013 8 15
Florida 2014 9 24
He may have had more talent but so did the offenses he faced. I call that a wash. He’s the first guy they should call. I think he could succeed here without the pressure of the donors and media at Florida. The only issue I really see is that he’ll need to make a good choice for o coordinator since that was the main reason for his downfall. Recruiting is a big strength for him.
A hire like Muschamp would be a statement hire that OSU is someone to be reckoned with. WSU made that kind of statement with Leach. Did anyone think they could land a coach like him? No.
A hire like Wells says that we’ve accepted that were a small school and can’t compete with the big boys. Wells is the 2 star recruit that looks good but only has one power 5 conference offer and it’s from OSU but we believe he’ll develop into a 5 star recruit. If Wells was such a good coach, then shouldn’t he have been strongly considered at Nebraska or Florida or Michigan? Doesn’t sound like any of those schools are contacting him. Everyone sounds like Mike Riley when describing Wells or Baldwin for that matter. These are 2 star recruits in the coaching world. Muschamp is the top 50 recruit. It’s time for OSU to go bigger
Convincing argument. Well said! Media reports seem to suggest that he’s looking to stay in the SEC…
http://flywareagle.com/2014/12/08/will-muschamp-update-finebaum-says-its-auburn-or-south-carolina/
Wasn’t there debate whether Leach would get hired at all?
Also, Muschamp’s contract with Florida did not have a clause saying that he would be owed less if he took another job. He got the whole buyout.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/94797/what-did-brady-hoke-bo-pelini-and-will-muschamp-earn-per-win
I want his agent.
Why is Muschamp better than Hoke? Both just failed at schools with recruiting and resource advantages.
Because he’s proven that his defensive philosophies have worked at every stop he’s made, none of which were mid majors. He’s a better recruiter than Hoke and younger. His downfall was due to his poor choices for offensive coordinators. Also arguably a tougher conference than the BIG10 and he had to play FSU every year as well.
Hoke royally messed up this last year when he kept in a QB who was clearly concussed.
In the SEC, Florida does NOT have a significant advantage in terms of recruiting and resources. Maybe one or two schools are behind in the SEC, Vandy and Kentucky. The rest all have stellar facilities and massive resources for their football programs.
couldn’t have said it better myself. That’s a big FUCK NO to Hoke or Muschamp. Muschamp is a SE guy anyway. He’d laugh at coming up here then spit chew in our eye
Also – Muschamp’s OC this year was hired away from Duke: Kurt Roper. Roper has been David Cutcliffe’s understudy his entire career and Muschamp brought him in as a “hail mary” attempt to save his job.
Roper spent some childhood years in … Corvallis(!) when his Dad was an assistant for Avezzano.
I could get behind a team with Muschamp running the defense Cutcliffe (er, Roper) running the offense and a bunch of young assistants with west coast connections.
I hope it’s not Tedford, he might as well be Riley’s older and wiser brother. A gut feeling tells me he’s in the mix…
Things that better factor in big time in BDC’s decision on a new head coach:
1. Defense first. Need a good, proven defensive minded coach/coordinator.
2. the ability to relate to players right now: yes, that means younger (considerably?) than Riley. Needs to be in touch with, and has proven he is capable of, stopping the fast spread offenses we see today.
3. One who will place an emphasis on recruiting and developing linemen, and defensive personnel. Offense delegated to the coordinator please. We don’t need a spread offense either, but a QB that can at least get outside the pocket when needed will go a long way.
4. strong personality. would be nice to see some fire in the press room. If you’re wrong, you’re wrong. Fine. But own up to it.
My list of coaches are:
Top (unobtainable) Tier: Jim Harbaugh (very unlikely)
Second Tier: Kirby Smart (unlikely)
Third Tier: Wells, Frost, Willcox – probably in that order
Fourth Tier: Mendenhall, Baldwin – in order. These hires are barely acceptable and I would not expect any more than +1 or +1.5 wins over Riley.
Fifth Tier: Justin Bieber, any current member of One Direction, my deceased grandfather – I consider these choices better than the ones below.
Sixth Tier: Tedford, Neuheisel, Hoke – in that despicable order. These are pathetic hires and yet would not surprise me one shitty bit.
I have little trust in BDC. Sorry, but the jury is still out on Tinkle. Yes, Tinkle passes the eye test, but even a broken clock can stick his dick in the right hole on Thursdays…… or something…
Fuck you BDC.
Dude is ragin’
rabidbeavs.com?
Our athletic director’s wife chimes in.
You need to execute better in your next post
Isnt anyone scared that Harsin’s success is just a carryover from Petersons?
Also, I LOVE the idea of a defensive minded program. Defense is the primary reason why the SEC has had so much success nationally. Some of my fondest years here as a fan was when we were being called “Linebacker U”. I also believe its the only way we ever beat the ducks. Trying to copy them and run with them (i.e. hiring Frost) without the same level of recruits is just a recipe for failure, imho. Besides, do you really want to be just like the ducks? I don’t.
Hire a defensive minded coach. Recruit speed over talent, Recruit smart teachable kids and instill in them a desire to win (unlike Riley). That should be our identity.
Trying to copy them and run with them (i.e. hiring Frost) without the same level of recruits is just a recipe for failure, imho.
Agree. I’m sure Frost is good at what he does, but the odds of the Beavers becoming the Ducks due to hiring him are zero. OSU should run the ball and play D. The Ducks even do that at their core. Passing and sloppy D became Riley’s forte and we see the results. Baldwin most mimics that.
We shouldn’t do things that would make us better just for the sake of not copying the Ducks either. Don’t think Frost would necessarily bring the same offense. I do think he would bring the same practice intensity and culture that fosters winning.
What I like about Frost is he’s mostly been in programs that run a tight ship, so he’s learned from some quality coaches about how to run a program.
“Frost was coached by some of the legendary football coaching minds of all time, including Stanford’s Bill Walsh, Nebraska’s Tom Osborne, the New York Jets’ Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, and Jon Gruden. ” -Wikipedia
Add Chip Kelly to that list. Frost has seen the template for success.
On top of that, you’d be taking your in state Rival down a peg. Double whammy.
Didnt know he’s a coach’s kid too…
Broyles Award (@BroylesAward) tweeted at 10:25 AM on Tue, Dec 09, 2014:
“My Dad was a high school coach for 30 years…I got it early.”
-Scott Frost, Oregon
(https://twitter.com/BroylesAward/status/542384590266986498?s=03)
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I believe his mom was an Olympic athlete.
I agree. He may try to use something different, like the old Nebraska offense of power running, with elements of the Chipper’s. He is probably smart enough know that he can’t beat them at their own game. Stanford as a template?
Anyone have an idea as to why Scott Frost is a media ninja?? I hammer the Google machine every day with these names and without fail Wells, Baldwin, Hoke, Tedford, etc. come up with new articles that all say the same thing (they’re candidates for HC jobs). But you type Scott Frost in the Google machine and there’s nothing written about him since Riley got the Nebraska job (except that he was a finalist for the Broyles award). Is UO/Knight somehow blocking the press from putting his name out there as frequently as Baldwin, Wells, et al, or is really not being considered? Jeez, I hope he’s being considered…
Oregon doesn’t want to lose him. And/or he is likely not interested.
Scott Frost had better be getting an interview and so should Smart if we can secure it and Wells. Frost would be about as good as a hire as I can imagine OSU being able to pull off and think it would be a home run IMO. Smart I feel almost as strongly about. Not much interested in any retreads.
if you think you can outbid PK’s gold lined pockets you’re delusional
HC money should be more than OC money. But. Not sure you have to outbid PK anyway. OSU can offer something PK High currently can’t. A Head coaching position.
First I’ve heard these names mentioned….
LostLettermen.com ?@LostLettermen 40m40 minutes ago
If I’m an Oregon State fan and I get Doug Meachem or Tom Herman instead of Mike Riley, I’m dancing in the streets.
Meachem (TCU OC) used to be the HC at Houston — and they used to chuck the ball all over the field like it was a Madden video game. If you’re a fan of running the ball and tough defense, Meachem’s not your guy…
Herman (Ohio St OC) just won the Broyles award. Gotta wonder if he wouldn’t be considered at Michigan if they can’t get their big targets (Harbaughs, Schiano, etc)
“Herman (Ohio St OC) just won the Broyles award. Gotta wonder if he wouldn’t be considered at Michigan if they can’t get their big targets (Harbaughs, Schiano, etc)” – They did say that one of the names in the running was someone they would have thought would go after the Michigan job….
Herman would be intriguing if available. Has experience under Meyer learning how to run a winning program, and I’m sure he has heavy Texas connections from coaching at UT, SHSU, TSU, and Rice. May even have California connections because he grew up and went to college there.
I also have more faith in his abilities because he’s a guy that played at Cal Lutheran and worked his way up through virtually every level of football to get to Ohio State. He’s proven himself from at 1AA, mid-major, and multiple P5 stops.
Agree 100%
Meacham was not the HC at Houston. He was at Ok State for 8 seasons as a TE coach and 1 season at Houston and nowTCU as OC. At Houston they ran the ball just fine. He’s a good coach. I’d be for that kind of hire. He can recruit Texas and that’s big for OSU. If he can bring him some nice assistants from the west coast then I think Oregon State would nail the hire.
He sounds intriguing. Coming from TCU, he ought to at least appreciate defense.
TCU put up gobs of points this past year so he’s proven to be smart and able to implement a new system quickly and effectively.
He sounds a bit green for a head coach though. Still sounds like an upgrade.
That’s why if he could bring him big time assistants it would be huge for the program. He won’t cost a lot, take some money and give it to a big time DC and I’m completely on board with him as the HC.
Kirby Smart would be a great hire, but let’s be real, there is ZERO chance of him coming here. If he wants to be a HC he will do it in the SEC. I wish he would come and bring Tosh Lupoi with him, as long as we are dreaming here ;)
Because weather is a factor it makes sense to hire a defensive/run game heavy coach, as you said in the OP. This also gives us a distinct point of differentiation from the Ducks when it comes to recruiting and game planning.
I also agree that the athletic department is trying to sell the idea that we are making a run at the knock your socks off coach, even if we all know that that isn’t gonna happen. It makes more sense, to me atleast, to go get a lower level HC with a proven track record. Going after a higher level DC/OC (Frost, Wilcox, etc.) is putting unnecessary risk in the hire. Within the conference there is a pretty solid track record when following this approach.
To a lesser extent, I also think it helps with recruiting to get a HC that has coached in the same recruiting areas that we should be in (Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado). Picking up assistants that can specialize in other areas we recruit (Texas, Oklahoma, Hawaii, Arizona) would also be helpful.
IMO, there are four coaches that fit my criteria: Bronco, Wells, Harsin, and Calhoun.
It’s weird Riley is taking a lot of his OSU recruits. You’d think he could recruit better players…
Also, given the way he bailed, wouldn’t most players question his loyalty and not want to play for him?
It’s weird? He’s basically taken everybody from OSU who wasn’t stapled to the ground, with him. I think since he’ll likely get a pass this year for the whole new system/players/program thing, he’s not going to try very hard. It’s his M.O.
It’s not weird. He recruited them and they want to play for him. The kids don’t owe any loyalty to OSU since they are still recruits and unsigned.
It’s pretty standard when a coach flips schools. Happened when Sark left UW for USC. Recruits followed.
So you’re saying kids commit to a coach, not a school or a town without a major airport?
I think he was talking about the staff part of the equation, but your point is correct. See ObjCritic’s post below about how it’s supposed to be in Lincoln. A coach gets the players a coach goes after. Riley’s pool never included kids who even so much as shrugged their shoulders when asked, “Will you come to OSU?” And even when he got positive vibes he undersold the school, the town and his own program.
All his acolytes are now exposed as such for being the turds they are in this parrot-speak. Location is only a factor in recruiting because it’s either close to home or it’s not. Everything else is an excuse, pure and simple. If it wasn’t, Pepperdine would have the best teams at every sport they field. As it is, the best hoops team in the nation resides in friggin Lexington, Kentucky.
Ummm… ewww!
All the Riley acolytes and everyone who buys into the “Corvallis and OSU are crap” line of thought are lazy and ignorant. Corvallis and OSU churn out and return more intelligence than any other location beyond Cambridge, Mass. It is an incubator for entrepreneurs and inventors. And it became that way long before Ed Ray yanked the school itself out of obscurity and made it the premier school in this state, by far. And a part of that is that there are some of us out there who absolutely love the small town quiet. As everyone ages, they find places like Corvallis and think it’s Nirvana. And we want to invite those right-minded people to become a part of OSU, no matter their affiliations from a past, wrongful life.
Look around at the lack of night life (aka getting limousine rides to parties with obscenely rich people who are using athletic fame just to make their parties more “fun”… that’s right… you’re a tool kid) and the calm and quiet that is Corvallis. Other than Cord Wood and his warped ways, the town is a little haven where everyone gets along and everyone has a life. What parent in their right mind wouldn’t look at the school and the town and not think their kid would be safe and insulated and focused?
It’s the coach that makes or breaks the program. It’s the coach who does or does not recruit players. Location is almost moot, and anyone who brings it up is an idiot to the Nth degree.
Not meant as a rant… but it ended up that way. Sorry Bill.
Btw… I know for a fact that Riley didn’t “sell the hell out of OSU and Corvallis” as was said by some random media member a month or so ago. I know a highly rated kid who went to another school who had an in-home with him, and when asked about OSU and Corvallis his answer was of the “yeah… well… you know” variety
I’ve heard enough from other people that this is the norm for him. Someone here even said he did this crap in his camps. Wtf man?
Well said. Corvallis is perfect for me and my family. I love it here, so does my 8 year old boy who doesn’t realize how he lucky he is.
Mike was never really about strong effort, how is this a surprise?
It’s a neat deal they are going Lincoln.
You’d think he’d secure the athletes that NU was recruiting, not necessarily replace them with a bunch of those “diamonds in the rough” that he has had to “accept” because Corvallis, OSU and its facilities allegedly limit him to such diamonds.
I was thinking the same thing. The honeymoon in Lincoln will be extremely short for Opie. 2-3 stars recruits without any other Power 5 offers will get him cornholed! Talk about over rated.
Another plus for Frost is he played under Belichick and coached under Kelly. Probably the 2 best active coaches in the NFL right there.
Not like I check the O anymore, but I hope Riley takes Goe with him too. The dude is a hack.
The Oregonian hates Oregon State University and Corvallis.
Pass it on.
Repeatedly.
What I want in a coach is someone who has energy on and off the field. I don’t mean animated, I mean energy. Someone who brings life into the program through recruiting, a solid system(O and D), they actually work on upgrading facilities and fan experience in general.
Looking for a coach who will:
1) DEFEND his players when they get hit late out of bounds.
2) Who will (hire someone to) teach form tackling and not ‘hard hits tackling’ instead
3) run an offense that has a strong running attack first, with supplementing a good passing game(or hire someone who will do this)
4) Makes good hires with assistants and not just because they coached in the NFL AKA, not a hotbed to shovel out future NFL players
5) actually has full contact Spring game
6) Doesn’t recruit players susceptible to injuries
7) this list could go on forever and I think we get the point…Not another Riley!!! lol
Screw all that. I want a coach to do one thing……
BEAT the F’ing DUCKS !!!!!!!!!
With a mallet if need be ;)
Locey to interview for the open HC position at Lewis & Clark
http://footballscoop.com/the-scoop/
Amazing quote from that same article:
“A report out of Michigan this afternoon (247 network) stated that Michigan has gauged the interest of Duke head coach David Cutcliffe. FootballScoop reached out to a source close to Cutcliffe who replied that he didn’t feel there was any way Cut would leave for Michigan.”
Amazing that the Duke HC wouldn’t leave for UM. DUKE!! Is the Michigan job that unattractive?
Michigan isn’t as attractive as it may have been in the past. A coach saw two head coaches fail there and is unsure how successful he’ll be there. And at Duke, he has no chance of being let go any time soon with how much success he’s brought to Duke who had been an abomination. If Cutcliffe goes anywhere it will be to Florida
There’s such an emphasis on the “Michigan Man” criteria, that I can see a coach thinking its impossible to make people happy there.
Hoke thought they said “Michelin Man” and applied.
that would be awesome
Suddenly it’s occurred to me that there’s something familiar about all of this and it goes something like this.
The coaching staff is unable to recruit a player or players who are qualified so they sign some 4 or 5 star kid who isn’t a qualifier and never will be. The fan base goes crazy about this “gem” the coaches have made a commitment to and their attention is diverted away from the reality that the coaches are unable to fill that spot with a Pac-12 quality player.
But the mission is accomplished – the fans have been distracted. Then by the time reality sets in practice has started so their attention is consumed by news of how the players are doing.
It sure seems like this could be happening now.
Jim Harbaugh to the Beavers??? Hahahaha Yeah, right!
Have I detected the m.o, of the OSU athletic department?
Nobody in the athletic department has said he’s interested, so I’m not sure how that can be their MO.
That wasn’t about Mr. Harbaugh specifically but just as an example of some of the names being bandied about of which Mr. Harbaugh was, imo, the most egregious.
The point is that any Harbaugh would be a Kuli if it was in any way legitimized by our AD.
Brady Hoke is named coach this Thursday or Friday.
What is your serious reaction?
“Cool…Bob D hired his friend”
and only had to wait 7 days to do so.
“Figures.”
Reaction withheld until the details are known.
I am back to walking away from NCAA & OSU Football in 2015….
My reaction would be that I hope all of us are wrong about how disastrous a hire it would be…
What is the point of meeting with all the big donors this week if all you want is to hire Brady Hoke?
“Gotta visit angrybeavs and see the meltdown”
While it would be disappointing, nothing can take away this high from Riley leaving. It might be a year before I have a legitimate reaction to Hoke. Just knowing OSU and Bob D I expect Hoke or someone underwhelming, so it’s “priced in” as they say, and right now I’m riding that Riley high. Hoke won’t stop it.
That’s okay, I’m sure I can count on whiskey for a good meltdown
The only meltdown would be BDC’s office after I burn it to the ground. Then I’d be in prison so I wouldn’t be subjected to the albatross of OSU football. Win win?
Not sure, you might end up with some of Erickson’s players as cellmates
TJ Houshyourmama?
Ha ha!
We win!
In three years when NU and we are looking for new head coaches… we still win!
Wake me up in 12 years when he’s fired and OSU is a mid-major.
Izzy’s get ready! Oh, serious…..obvious choice for an administration that still doesn’t get it.
quote from Ed Ray in Kerry Eggers’ latest piece
“Things might click and we might find somebody in the next few days, or it could be three weeks from now.”
Three weeks? Is it coincidence that the NFL season has 3 weeks left? Hell no it’s not. This quote give me faith that he’s actually got somebody that will “blow our socks off”, somebody who is currently working in the NFL. I don’t care about the college names anymore, any of them.
Translation: We’re getting Brady Hoke in 3 weeks :(
The longer this takes, the less likely that is true.
translation: we’re getting Jim Harbaugh in 3 weeks :)
I’d settle for john.
Well look whose glass is half-full :-P
Again… Roman.
I’m not sure Roman Gabriel is even alive, but I like the thought.
Who?
I’m not a Rams fan.
I just don’t see Harbaugh as a possibility. The 49ers are talking about trading him. Maybe if he knew he was going to get fired it would make sense… but OSU can’t be waiting around to see if he gets fired to see if he might want to coach for us. Not to mention there is still plenty of NFL interest in the guy. I can’t imagine we are going to offer up the 5 mil a year to make quitting worthwhile to him either.
You’re still too much inside the box.
Think for yourself.
Jim Harbaugh is named coach in 3 weeks.
What is your unserious reaction?
Tears of joy and telling Nebraska fans to enjoy mediocrity for years to come
We can do the latter with or without the former.
Honestly, B1G fans are currently celebrating the hire as well.
Friend from Iowa posted on Facebook..”Mike Riley, welcome to the Big 10. I hope you bring your tendency of producing average teams to Nebraska.”
I can’t believe it. Tickets sell. Fast. OSU is going to get Olineman and QB recruits like its never had. Some ass is going to get kicked, and its not OSU’s. Reser is going to genuinely sell out and be genuinely loud.
Facility improvements could be near term realities. More than tartan end zones too….
My first thought would be it must be some other John Harbaugh from D2
John Harbah maybe?
I don’t have a tight end, but I guess I can stick my hand on the ground.
Like this?
A result of your last prison stay?
Who told you about my results?
need new pair of underwear after jizzing myself
my tighty whities would have more dna on them then a monica lewinsky dress
Or Lily Carter’s mouth.
Really?
DNA?
Thanks for the status report but what would your reaction be if Jim Harbaugh was hired?
Hahahaha!
Good one!
BDC will never fire Saint Mikey.
I’d buy season tickets for the first time in years.
Tim DeRuyter has an interesting resume; Texas A&M, Air force, Nevada, Ohio and Navy.
Different conferences, schemes, programs where there are resources, programs where there aren’t. Programs with good defensive reputation (Air Force), programs where personnel limitations are addressed by scheme (both military programs).
If he can recruit, that diverse experience enriches him and potentially the OSU program. Is he NOT strongly interested in the job. Hell, Fresno? Why would he not be?
I like DeRuyter, therefore he is eliminated.
Harbaugh is going home to Michigan book it.
We didn’t want him anyway……
Oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about a 4 or 5 star recruit who snubbed us on signing day.
Harbaugh is staying in the NFL… probably going to the Raiders.
At first that sounds silly, then it sounds perfect.
Harbaugh beating on the league in silver and black? That’s something I would tune into every Sunday.
Not happening. The only thing the raiders have done right lately is the death of Al Davis
LOL…..I feel like I shouldn’t be laughing at the loss of human life…..but this is hilarious…
You’re not wrong.
But Harbaugh at Oaktown is an enticing match regardless of past or present politics. His toughness and attitude are so perfect for Oakland.
They would make him coach for life after one year.
How do the Raiders hold onto that tough image. It’s been a long time – and countless failed personnel and player decisions – since they were “tough.” Even the year Tampa Bay steamrolled them, were they really tough? Its been decades hasn’t it?
How teams like ND and Oakland hold onto images they clearly no longer deserve speaks volumes to the perception values created by history. Similarly, OSU drags the 28-year losing streak forward. Voluntarily.
This hire has the real chance to help move beyond that mindset.
Oakland is who we were during the 28 years… except we weren’t so unfortunate as to have Kiffin as one of our coaches. Avezzano is as close as we got to that dumpster fire.
They have a past of greatness, but they lost it all in search of whatever they were looking for. And right now they’re just wandering in the wilderness. Harbaugh would instantly revive the fan base and give the team some identity.
It’s not that they are or have been tough or held that identity any time in the recent past. It’s that the NFL would be that much better if they found themselves and played that way once again. It’s hard to be a Raider hater if you just feel sorry for them every week.
I think part of losing their way was what seemed to me to be a focus on the “maverick” personnel decisions as if they were goals; making non-standard decisions for the sake of being maverick. Historically, those decisions were not goals, but means to the goal of acquiring effective personnel.
Al Davis became “Mr. Burns” from the Simpsons and didn’t seem to realize it. He needed someone else to be making decisions.
As a Raider fan, shut the fuck up, we’d be happy with the hire. Therefor, it won’t happen.
And btw, have you been living under a rock this season…type David Carr into your google box, dummy.
the 49ers might even trade Harbaugh to the Raiders for a pick or something… but mostly just to avoid firing him and paying the deal out.
Can you trade coaches for picks?! I’ve never heard this done before….then again, I haven’t watched a full quarter of football outside the super bowl in like 7+ years…..I’m not an NFL fan at all.
Gruden
And if you’re not an NFL fan, then what are you a fan of? The NFL displays the highest level of talent in he sport we’re talking about. If you want to watch good football, you watch the NFL.
It’s sad. You can’t watch any college football game and think it’s good. It’s crap play. But emotions make it so very addictive.
Whatever.
The sport is boring and making itself more boring by constricting competition by making itself exclusive to some “power 5” thingy. Soon it will be one league consisting of 10 teams… and nobody will care.
In contrast the NBA is the best athletes NOT playing the game at it’s highest level. Not consistently anyway.
The NBA is the best athletes. But selective refereeing makes it hard to watch.
There was one week about four years ago when LBJ took four steps, got “fouled,” then took two more steps and made a lay-up for an and-one. On the other side of the country, Kobe took five zig-zagging steps into, across and back to the lane, got “fouled,” and made a lay-up for an and-one.
Both were SC Top Ten plays.
Wtf man? In a world with DVRs you’re going to pass that crap off as great hoops? Never mind that would just get laughed off the floor in even the worst reffed league in college or high school.
A friend of mine who reffed high school ball would not watch NBA and called it “WWF basketball.”
Tiered sets of calls for rookies, journeymen, all-stars. Pathetic. Call the damn game based on the rules, then lets see who wins.
I remember once when Payton was still in Seattle, he got called for a second T. It was like the second quarter. He reminds the ref that if he gives him another T, he’s out of the game. The ref rescinded the T. Ridiculous, and I was a Payton/Sonics fan.
I like it more for the fact that it isn’t perfect and that It’s college kids with varying degrees of athleticism that aren’t playing for a paycheck. They’re playing for the love of the game, a scholorship(but what kid on scholorship truly feels like that’s really enough compensation for their services of competing?), and the fact that I support a university of higher education rather than grown men whining about how much they make, who’s the star athlete and that the money goes to owners rather than dispersed to support other sports; meaning given back within the whole entity.
That’s what makes it addictive. There are real emotions tied to each of us.
And any kid who doesn’t see the value in a free education is just a moron. I’m being polite with that word. The level of play required to win at the college level does not warrant anything more for 99% of all the kids playing in college. Hell, the kid who will win the Heisman this year isn’t what everyone hypes him to be as far as his play on the field is concerned. But when you watch him play you see that 75% of his passes are flares, WR screens, forward hand-offs or flips on the fly sweep (yes… those are passes) or wheel routes. Those are the easiest throws to make. That is why when we call someone a system QB, it might be true. Watch his throws to the sideline, on the cross and deep. All of them are late, weak and behind or way over the target. Trust me here. I have had to watch every single Duck game since before I was married.
Thankfully, Nikegon produced one gem.
But I’m looking at Mariota and seeing the same QB they had before. And the last guy is now just a blur… named D something or other… but didn’t steal anything. Actually, D something threw a more accurate deep ball and sideline pattern, by quite a bit. He just lobbed the damn thing to the open spaces and didn’t continue to run as his legs turned into mine as his college career wore on.
System QB. And it’s funny that I hear announcers talk about how “crisp” and “accurate” and how “strong an arm” he has while I’m watching the same game… with my DVR… while he’s in the game he’s winning 48-14 in the fourth quarter… padding his stats.
You go and try to do that on the NFL level. We say if you don’t like it, you stop it. The NFL will stop it… easily.
how’s that Rich Rod firing workin out for ya?
I think Michigan is too incestuous for Harbaugh. Nor interesting. Turn Stanford into a BCS team that goes for 2 when pounding Carrol’s ass? Yes. Take cellar-dweller 49ers to NFC championship and Super Bowl? Yes. Win at Michigan with all of its advantages? That does not bring his abilities into specific relief.
Take OSU to top of Pac? No one can do that….hmm…let’s hope so.
What’s your deal?
Brennan is such a stud….
this is a headline from an O-live article, which I won’t link
“Paul Lucas, Under Armour All-American, getting in-home visit from Oregon State Beavers assistant coach Tuesday”
thanks for the update… I stopped reading O-Live.
Brennan is smart. Show the new regime that you didn’t give up after the boss left the company, and you worked your ass off to keep the company floating. His relationships with players and his recruiting ties will help ensure he holds a position with the new coaching staff when they come in. I’m impressed with his professionalism.
Think it shows a lot about his character and is great for future job prospects even if he doesn’t keep on the new staff which would be a shame if he didn’t.
He will. If he doesn’t I’ll raise hell.
Interesting how he decided to stay behind to continue recruiting after Riley left….and either didn’t take the job in Lincoln, or wasn’t offered the job by Riley and Brennan is now pissed about the whole thing and has now taken it upon himself to keep the football teams future afloat! Brennan needs to stay on whomever the new coach is based on his fight to keep recruiting!
this is Safety Solomon Matautia’s Twitter page and the photo of his scholorship offer from Oregon State….He’s still committed to OSU, but contingent upon who the next head coach is and what his program is about and whether the new head coach will honor the scholorship offer.
https://twitter.com/sxmatautia/status/496418744466690049/photo/1
Notice is reads,
“Our goals are simple:
1) Win the Pac-12 Championship and play for a National Championship
2) See you graduate and do something wortthwhile”
Huh, Riley NEVER said this verbally at OSU, but he goes to Nebraska and his first address to the media and fans is, “Help young men succeed and win championships!” Yup, Riley had NO faith in being able to accomplish that goal….It was always Rose Bowl, but after losing 2 games in 2 seasons to try to get there, it’s clear it broke him.
Underachieving Riley thinks winning WESTERN division champioships wil be enough to please Husker Nation and improve his legacy…….I wonder how many Urban Meyer beat downs he and Banker will survive?
I hope his loyalty, to say nothing of good work with the likes of Wheaton, Cooks and Villamin, gets rewarded.
Anyone heard about any Nebraska commits decommiting?
The Davis wins.
Or… the Davis twins.
and over at pure-hate they are comparing coaches contracts to sandwich making? Brilliant
http://www.pure-orange.net/cgi/anyboard.cgi/bscpigskin?cmd=get&cG=932373&zu=393237&v=2&gV=0&p=
scuse me. They prefer they be called “sandwich artist”
Well… homemade bread and a great aioli can be a midday break to remember.
But we’re not talking about that… are we?
Nebraska truly has become Eastern Oregon State.
Nebraska: Oregon State associate director of football operations Dan Van De Riet will join Mike Riley’s staff at Nebraska, according to The Oregonian. Van De Riet has spent 14 years at OSU. In addition, BeaverBlitz.com reports Oregon State director of player personnel Ryan Gunderson will also follow Riley to Nebraska.
Sounds like it’s a good time for completing the house cleaning and Dr Ray should do so in the athletic director and marketing departments.
But then again we all know that Dr. Ray doesn’t give a flying f*** about athletics.
Hence the $165 million raised for athletics during the big fundraising campaign.
If he raised that much how come the athletic department is still in debt? Where did the money go?
TIA
dunno where the money went but careful reading of Ed Ray’s statement since Riley’s departure explains that in terms of the the 1 billion $ fund raising, donors could specify how they want the money to be used – I guess it’s discretionary otherwise – and $165 million was for athletics. It occurs to me that the bulk of it has yet to be spent.
“…dunno where the money went but careful reading of Ed Ray’s statement since Riley’s departure explains that in terms of the the 1 billion $ fund raising, donors could specify how they want the money to be used – I guess it’s discretionary otherwise – and $165 million was for athletics. It occurs to me that the bulk of it has yet to be spent….”
So if that’s right then it appears that that means the athletic department has been struggling under the weight of debt when they didn’t have to be.
Perhaps it’s time to ask specific questions of Dr. Ray. Perhaps something on the order of “where’s the beef?…” Remember that commercial? :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6_eWWfNB54
Well, Ed Ray outlined it in the Portland tribune.
Sports Performance Center (2008)
Tommy Prothro Football Complex (2012)
Whyte Track and Field Center (2012)
Beth Ray Center for Academic Support (2012)
OSU Basketball Center practice facility (2013)
Samaritan Sports Medicine Center (2014)
Goss Stadium remodel (2014)
Valley Center remodel (2015)
And he didn’t even mention stuff like the crew boathouse and a few other projects.
Shit adds up, that pretty much accounts for all $165 million.
Thanks.
To break the monotony of speculation:
Goss Stadium getting prepped for new Field Turf. #progress pic.twitter.com/ZU8byW44VY
it’s starting to get quiet on the coaching talk….calm before the storm?
Oregon State has phone conversation with Wells!
http://www.pacifictakes.com/2014/12/9/7362365/oregon-state-reportedly-talked-to-brady-hoke-bronco-mendenhall-beau
Very good news but I wonder when will they talk with Frost??
Angry, you heard a real report Frost would be interviewed, correct?
I can’t believe BDC won’t interview Brian Knorr. It is an absolute failure and a mark on the soul of BDC that Knorr doesn’t get first interviewed then hired. We need such a candidate, and I will post this same sentiment for my next 4000 posts.
DA to get another start.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000441564/article/cam-newton-unlikely-to-play-sunday-after-car-accident
Woo hoo, my ambitions are finally complete!
You, on the other hand, are gonna have a tougher time dude
Honestly, I have to agree with angry here. If we get a first time coach, it should be a former defensive coordinator, not an offensive one. And if we get an offensive coordinator, he better be required to hire an ace defensive coordinator.
I’m also hoping (against hope) that Kirby Smart is our next head coach.
Yes, Kirby Smart is a big name, but I think it is a fantasy to expect that Kirby Smart will become OSU’s next head football coach.
KS grew up in Georgia and has lived in the South his whole life. He is a guy who has been deeply involved with SEC football for since graduating high school in Georgia 20 years ago, and then becoming an All-SEC defensive back at Georgia. Kirby Smart has worked under Nick Saban for most of the last 10 years, and has followed Saban from place to place in the South (first LSU, then the Miami Dolphins, and for the last 8 seasons at Alabama). All of that suggests that KS would be unlikely to turn his back on Alabama and Saban. One would also expect that KS feels at least some loyalty to Saban for making KS the current highest paid DC in college football.
Even if KS wanted to leave Alabama and the SEC and try his luck as a college head coach in a different conference, it seems unlikely that KS would want to start out in the PAC-12. Kirby Smart has relatively little experience defending against spread offenses, little or no knowledge of the PAC-12 and its personnel, and little or no relevant experience with West Coast recruiting. Tough situation for your first head coaching job.
One other caveat. Saban has a reputation as a hands-on, defense oriented head coach. It’s hard for us or any other outsider to know how much of Alabama’s defensive success is due to Kirby Smart, rather than due to Saban himself. Jumping from Alabama to OSU to take his first head coaching job would be risky not just for Kirby Smart but for OSU.
Just seem to be too many reasons why Kirby Smart to OSU won’t — and perhaps shouldn’t — happen.
Forecasting 2015 with a Wells hire…
W Weber St. 38-21
L @Michigan 30-38
W San Jose St 42-20
L Stanford 27-34
L @Arizona 24-42
W @Wash St 38-34
W Colorado 41-31
L @Utah 28-38
L UCLA 30-36
W @California 38-37
L Washington 30-33
L @Oregon 27-49
Another 5-7 season but this one establishes an uptrend and the following year we make the Vegas Bowl. Hoke wouldn’t do better than 4-8 next year.
Frost I think would get OSU to 6 wins next year and in the Cactus Bowl and could reach the Sun Bowl in 2016.
If Brian Knorr isn’t our next coach, I will make more posts that say that I think Knorr should be our next coach. I’ll also make really dumb posts about how I think OSU will fare next year… maybe even prognosticating our record versus the schedule.
Good lord!
Do you even have time to wash the lotion off your hands?
OSU is not posting the job on their website or any other job listings site. They must post it for 7 days, per state law. OSU is waiting for the NFL season to be over (or the coach resigns/gets fired) and then they will post it. They have their guy and it’s mutual. You will see the ad in the near future. Until then, hang tight and enjoy the ride :)
Are you talking the “absurd” candidate, the “knock your socks off” candidate or the John Madden/Don Shula co-coach theory?
Is it really not posted? I couldn’t find it…
I think I remember being able to see the bball opening posted.
What gives??
If that is true it would seem like it has to be a non-playoff team.
Wait…
In all my time here, I believe you’re the first person who has used the handle “beaver.”
That’s pretty funny.
Magic Johnson wants the Lakers to lose every game to get better draft pick.
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/kobe-bryant-lakers-titanic-magic-johnson-lose-every-game-los-angeles-120914
I do too and I’m a laker fan
That’s how bad I wanted Riley gone. There was part of me pulling for ASU to win. Was happy for the players.
Magic doesn’t get his wish. lakers beat the queens tonight
Scout: “What the hell?”
http://oregonstate.scout.com/story/1490311-osu-what-the-hell-is-going-on-out-here?s=182
The Scout article says just as little as BDC’s letter.
After reading the Scout article I’m absolutely convinced that Dr. Ray HAS NOT been paying Bobby enough money. What a frigging cheap skate!
NOT!!!!!!!!
Oh wait. Didn’t I read that Bobby is one of the highest paid ADs in the Pac-12?
Way to go Dr. Ray. Way to go.
Has Dr. Ray been sitting on $165M that was supposed to be for the athletic department?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6_eWWfNB54
Canzano says we should hire Pat Hill.
He’s wrong.
Yeah, seems like the worst suggestion I have heard.
Yeah let’s dredge the river for Mike Price while we’re at it.
he’s had a hard on for Hill since his days at the Fresneck Bee
Getting in a fight with anyone bigger and faster than you is easy. Winning them most of the time is not.
Thin skinned pussy would love nothing more than the trickle of yosemite sam’s ball sweat in his pie hole. The bald faced truth show should be renamed The thin skinned pussy
The thing about Riley poaching his old commits , it is something he Never did here. He wouldn’t evengo after commits once they were poached from us. He has said on the radio interviews numerous times that if a kid commits to a school they stay away, unless they come to him and show a strong interest. Also, he said that he wanted kids who wanted to be here. It is such a 180 degree turn that it smells of vindiction and spite on his part. He never even competed for those top recruits.
How does Riley recruit 4 Five star recruits? He joins a program who already has them!
I believe we will have to wait for this hire. I think they are swinging for the fences though, hope they connnect. Harbaugh would be a complete HR, but I can’t see him out of the nfl.
I disagree with wanting to hire a defensive coach. You look at all the coach’s who were fired and they are all defensive coaches. I think Riley was right about one thing, they have to score more points. I think they need somebody who is offensive minded , but can bring in a good defensive coordinator.
If you do go Defensive Coordinator go for Pellum he is the only Uo Coordinator I would want.
Well there is a lit more pressure on him now
I like Pellum and would believe in that hire but like you say would want more offense. Frost would start to deliver there and I would trust him to get a good DC and be very competitive. Pellum would bring good defense but not sure he would get the offense scoring the 35 points every week in conference it would take to win more games than not in the Pac-12. Next year has some rebuilding elements to it for sure but one nice thing about Wells is he has pretty good offense AND defense. Todd Orlando would be a considerable upgrade over Banker and Wells’ offense is that somewhat unique one that incorporates some mobile QB elements that I think most Oregon State fans would appreciate.
Some say they may announce finalists tomorrow and I think and hope Wells will be in that group. I am fine waiting 3 weeks for a “big name” but only if we have some assurances. Otherwise it seems we need a decision by Tuesday of next week to get things moving.
They would never ever announce finalists
I just don’t believe in Frost, I think he ight be a good HC someday, but needs more seasoning. I like that he is younger and a good recruiter, but he has been handed quite a bit not sure if he would be ready the entire rebuilding job? IMO
Pellum on the other hand has much more experience, and if he came with a seasoned OC that might have some prior HC experience I could see it working.
But I think offensive guy is the better option either way.
Interesting we are bringing up all these duck coaches and no one is bringing up Aliotti…
I got no problem with Aliotti. You can tell he is a thinking man listening to his analysis on the Pac-12 Networks.
I think a coach with a UO connection would work well at Oregon State to heighten interest. They know a few things too. See possible Championship and expected Heisman this year. Ties into the machine and is free and highly effective marketing endorsed by ESPN and Disney. Pellum looked cool and confident and playing to the stars in his fedora at the Pac-12 Championship. I’d take that image at Oregon State for sure.
Dood!
You must be perpetually stoned.
Not coaching, but I love Curtis Conway on there. He calls shit out :-D
News on Michigan from Coaching Search:
Michigan: Scout.com’s Sam Webb reports Michigan reached out to Les Miles’ agent on Tuesday. LSU athletic director Joe Alleva tells The Advocate that Michigan nor Miles’ agent has contacted him. In addition, 247 Sports reports the Wolverines have reached out to Duke head coach David Cutcliffe. NFL.com’s Gil Brandt reports Michigan offered the job, but Cutcliffe turned it down.
For all those who think that Harbaugh (Jim) to OSU might actually be a possibility, here’s a chance to put your money where your mouth is. $5 bet wins you $100…
https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/home.sbk?categoryId=1002
Wilcox still interesting. Get a defense focused team like Angry likes and other program benefits. Would be a vision for building the program into a unique and entertaining identity. Has the contacts to bring in a good enough offensive coordinator and would be a good recruiter and was born not much more than 15 miles from Corvallis in Junctuon City. If he got the program into a high gear he could be around for awhile and I could see both him and the Oregon State fanbase enjoying his culture. Thought he would interview. This window of opportunity of a new day at Oregon State is worth BDC seeing what he has to say.
Junction City is a little more than 15 miles from Corvallis. Hell, it’s 15 miles from Eugene
I think it’s about 20-25 miles if you go through Monroe.
Maybe that’s half the problem with this “doesn’t have an airport” mentality any stupid throws out there. The drive from the airport through JC and Monroe and into Corvallis is just farm land. It’s a gorgeous drive, and it’s the way I prefer to get there. But if the team buses took the freeway to 34 instead, Corvalis would look like an easily accessible town. I think everyone takes the trip from the Eugene airport straight up to Corvallis and thinks, “Wow… we’re in the sticks here.”
The best drive, btw, is up to Halsey and then on through Peoria Rd.
It would be advantageous if 99 had more “slower traffic keep right” lanes.
try driving philomath blvd on a daily basis where everyone loves to drive 35-40 in a 45 then gets all butthurt when you pass them. I really need to move
It’s 17 miles from Corvallis to Monroe on Hwy 99. Then another 8 or 9 to JC. so, yeah about 25.
people on blitz are saying the job isnt even posted yet…any truth to that?
Someone there said the 7 days thing isn’t even in the ORS… I couldn’t’ find it.
Found the minority candidate thing though….
http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/352.380
In 1999, Dennis Erickson was hired 5 calendar days after Riley quit.
Whoa!
Riley quit a first time?!?
That’s shocking news… and so atypical of the man.
Really Oregon?
American Indian?
Come on man!
That’s crazy if true. Why not post the damn thing? There is no advantage to waiting; it just self-limits the options.
Buying time for Harbough to quit or get fired or for NFL season to end. Just fuels the Harbough speculation
And the apparent lack of readiness is absurd. Everybody in the mainstream journalism likes to paint this story as “shocking!” because that’s what people want to believe and that’s what they want to read. Bullshit. Rarely do major coaching changes go over with the coach and/or university giving advance notice and managing a transition.
Do coaches say “You know what Goe, I couldn’t get it done with a 5th year senior QB and a defense with 9 seniors. I think I’m going to look around, talk to some teams, and see if I can’t find a better situation and more money. I just don’t feel like starting all over with a young QB in my complex system and Banker really isn’t looking forward to a bunch of young DBs and LBs. But if if I don’t find anything, I’ll stay at OSU. Just professional courtesy here for my boss and the media who love me.”
Riley’s been sucking, the fan base has been restless, he’s relatively old and been in the job 14 years, Ed Ray and BDC should have had a short list of candidates and been prepared to move if Mike left or if, god forbid, they wanted to proactively manage change.
At this level, with these salaries – yeah I know Mike was the cheapest coach in the Pac, or close to it, but still – you have to be ready. Otherwise you risk losing out on attractive candidates and having a hole in your recruiting.
Get it fucking done.
Thing is, I’m pretty sure Bob DeCareless thought Mike Riley was going to stay at OSU for the rest of his life, just like everyone else who’s at OSU or graduated from there. I can’t say I’m surprised he never planned for the possibility of Riley leaving this soon. I mean, even the media was caught by surprise about the whole Riley moving deal.
I will bet that no one saw this coming. BDC is fine in thinking Riley would be here forever. His abilities can be seen declining, his contract is strong, ….who the hell would want him who could afford it? I still have a hard time believing this. Riley really lucked out….of course he needs to produce at Nebraska. Can he find the energy for that? So why in hell would BDC or anyone else, spend even a minute thinking about replacing him. We did, but until he jumped ship, it was just whistling in the dark….
Still cant believe how lucky we are….
Agreed.
We get the best of all worlds here.
I have a friend who has been offshore for a year doing some hydro-electric project in the Czech Republic or something like that. And he isn’t necessarily happy Riley left the way he did. But he is over the moon because he won’t have to see Banker and Cav anymore. He is really not a Cav fan at all. He did love Gilstrap. And he says a comparison of the two is all you need to know about either. But I think it’s funny that someone a half a world away is keeping tabs on and enjoying this whole thing too.
I kind of thought The Scout story was much ado about nothing…..I’m sure BDC has a list and I don’t really care if he didn’t, it’s not like it would take days to create. It’s the same names we’ve talked about ad naseum. I’m fine waiting if there is a home run hire and over time that hire is going to attract better recruits…..this thing is not for just one year.
“..t’s not like it would take days to create. It’s the same names we’ve talked about ad naseum. I’m fine waiting if there is a home run hire and over time that hire is going to attract better recruits…..this thing is not for just one year.”
True. I’m getting antsy and caring about this more than I should or is practical. I would have expected some more calls by now but maybe they’ve been made. Like Riley’s Nebraska “deal,” OSU’s hire too will likely begin with a pretty limited set of negotiators before a deal is announced.
If there is a true home run hire, the recruiting will catch up and in the interim, they’ll more effective use of the current roster than would have Riley/Banker.
You can look through the OSU jobs available on their website. I think it’d be on here somewhere, but I can’t find it.
You can change the Department to Intercollegiate Athletics and nothing comes up. Maybe they’d post it somewhere else…
https://jobs.oregonstate.edu/applicants/jsp/shared/search/Search_css.jsp
CRAIGSLIST
Its hard for me to value a guy who got fired from his previous job vs a guy moving up from below. Its possible to learn from mistakes. But the future is always better for schools that have a coach move up vs been fired. And I dont seeing how being a successful FCS coach does not qualify a guy to be a successful FBS. I like the Matt Wells types. I could get behind the Baldwin types. The successful coordinators are more iffy as a whole but often have brilliant portion of the game down, i could get behind them as well. The retreads are the hardest for me to be excited about, with a proven record of failure. One of the biggest qualities I look for post-riley is a guy who can succesfully idenitify his shortcomings and understands how to bring in and use supplemental help(everyone has shortcomings, knowing where you dont know is harder.)
For what it’s worth, this is Frost’s speech at the Broyles award event. It makes me like him even more. 1) His resume in the beginning portion of the video is pretty impressive. 2) His speech in the second half of the video suggests that his press conferences would be a heck of a lot funnier and more entertaining than anything Riley ever did.
247 story:
http://oregon.247sports.com/Bolt/Watch-Scott-Frost-gives-funny-speech-at-Broyles-Award-Ceremony-33721623
Broyles ceremony speech only:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jvLRYhzPVI
Still my #1 target. I honestly dont want an NFL guy coming in unless he has proven college success. I’d much rather bring in an up and coming coordinator. I cant find any faults with Frost other than his current employer (which would be considered a plus to most anybody but Beaver fans)
That’s pretty good.
With a name like Scott is there any doubt :)
yep. Riley was a natterer. What I want to see in a new coach, among other things, are post-game press conferences that lucid.
*are lucid
*are loosed?
NBC Sports and the Deseret News both had mire detailed articles up today about the 4 candidates Oregon State has talked to. I liked that NBC Sports with the national audience put the focus of their article on Wells and Mendenhall and listed Hoke and Baldwin after that. Their big and only picture was of Wells and Mendenhall in discussion. Same thing with Salt Lake City paper Deseret News.
Looking at those images and knowing both Wells and Mendenhall are good coaches, it solidfied my opinion even more though that Wells is the better path, image and way to rebirth the Oregon State football program to one if the next ‘It’ programs. Mendenhall by being around does not have the same rejuvenating feel. He would be good but so will Wells and in Year 3-6 the Wells payoff will be even more. In the meantime for those first couple years it is hard not to be extremely excited about the promise that the near future holds.
Oregon State’s brand by starting new with what have all the signs of rising stars in Wells and Tinkle would be in terrific shape and getting better for years to come. That’s where you want to be. I think Massari is very aware this younger more energized image is working for Oregon State and wants to continue with the growing momentum.
Tinkle and Wells are rolling stones in no jeapordy of gathering moss anytime soon. The perception and success of Oregon State would be on the rise for years with those two. Like having Jordan and Pippen right before they are about to begin their prime run.
That law came about because in 2007 Jerry Glanville was hired by PSU in the Stanford’s restaurant at PDX by an acting-athletic director. Contract terms were sketched out on paper place mat. No process, no posting, no others considered.
Even when it was obvious that the Ducks were going to promote Helfrich in 2013 they had to abide by the new law. A black coach from Stanford, whose name I can’t recall, was given a perfunctory interview to satisfy the requirement.
So BDC….get on with it. The clock is ticking and the recruiting process is in high gear. JB
That law came about because in 2007 Jerry Glanville was hired by PSU in the Stanford’s restaurant at PDX by an acting-athletic director. Contract terms were sketched out on paper place mat. No process, no posting, no others considered.
Even when it was obvious that the Ducks were going to promote Helfrich in 2013 they had to abide by the new law. A black coach from Stanford, whose name I can’t recall, was given a perfunctory interview to satisfy the requirement.
So BDC….get on with it. The clock is ticking and the recruiting process is in high gear. JB
Wierd…don’t know how that happened. Sorry…
Did fake pettibonehead just take over your account temporarily?
Dumb question…can’t BDC just interview Rod Perry or is that too obvious (to meet the minority requirement).
It’s Eric Mangini, guys.
There are exceptions to the 7-day rule. Like when your coach leaves for another job. Chip Kelly left for the Eagles on Jan. 16. Helfrich was hired on Jan. 20. That’s not 7 days.
If you fire a coach, then yes, it has to be posted for 7 days.
Sure hope you’re right, Deep Eye!
That makes logical sense, because for some jobs you can’t wait 7 days if someone bails.
I have it on reasonably good authority that Bronco Mendenhall has indeed been offered the OSU job and is considering it now.
https://twitter.com/BYU_Crew/status/542492930217230336
No clue if it’s truth or hearsay. It is twitter so take it for what it’s worth
this is from the CougarBoard at 5:11 pm yesterday:
“Bronco has been offered the OSU job
He is weighing the decision but he has a verbal offer, and OSU is planning to make the announcement on Monday who their new coach is. I have talked to BigCoug personally, who is a poster on another board I frequent and he is connected very well to the athletic department and several big donors. It will probably be leaked by the media sooner than later.”
so much for this candidate out of left field if this is true or the other high profile “swing for the fences” hire
I haz a sad :(
My sad is bigger than your sad.
Wells is the better choice. Bronco is catering to the 55 and older crowd still unwilling to let go of the old guard. I hope he turns it down so Wells gets the offer and takes it. Our Athletic Department will be in great shape with Wells and Tinkle. Our brand image will be significantly reenergized and the feeling of excitement and optimism in our future much higher than it has been in years.
So much for theDutch Bros.
Ha!
Great hire if they get him.
Keep in mind that the guy who wrote that was wearing magic underwear at the time he wrote it.
Didn’t know too much about him, but Clancy Pendergast seems like he’d be a great DC.
http://foxs.pt/135SKJf
Regardless of who we hire as HC, I think a formidable staff can be put together if we look to surround them with stellar DC/OC like this here.
Bronco is a guy that seems to be trending down. Several years ago I would have been exited about this. Now, not so much. I hope we go the hot coordinator route. Hermann or Frost and roll the dice.
I’d rather have Bronco over Hoke, Tedford or Neuheisal. But if it is Mendenhall, it really doesn’t excite me. As long as he doesn’t bring his current D coordinator with him. Prior to this year BYU always had pretty stout defenses
He’s trending down and they play a lot of suspect mid-major competition. Some of the BYU posters on their forums don’t seem that upset about the possibility of him leaving. BYU needs to be in a Power 5 conference before they plunge completely into irrelevancy. If Bronco is wanting to leave it’s becasue he knows that and also knows that they won’t be joing the Big 12 anytime soon.
I would have left, too.
Then there is this tweet below. I’d be happy with Wells, Pellum or Hermann and ecstatic with Frost.
Tweet: “I don’t think Bronco or Wells are heading to Corvallis. Rumor has it the new coach up there is going to be another major surprise.#sources”
— Doug Kimmel (@DougKimmelScout) December 10, 2014
link? I found his twitter but did not see that
Just don’t touch his twitter.
BDC bought out Riley’s Nebraska contract and got him back since the Oregonian says Corvallis is Chernobyl and only Saint Mike can save us. SURPRISE!!!
“I don’t think…..[rumors]…..” [source]
We’ve heard that before.
I don’t expect Bronco to take it. I think he has the kind of role there that BDC envisioned for Riley here.
I’d be disappointed if Wells won’t accept an offer.
No to Hoke.
Tedford I don’t trust to be more than a retread and I thought his recruiting practices were suspect? I want a team that competes well, but don’t want to win dirty.
Bronco would be a very whelming hire for me
What’s the over/under on your whelming?
I’ve got under at -0.5
I’ll bite on that.
most of this is pure conjecture and everyone seems to have a “reliable source” so I’ll hold off on getting my panties in a wad
My sources are saying the next OSU coach will be a male over the age of 35.
White?
yes… hmmm… we must have the same sources.
Two arms and two legs?
So, PJ Fleck is out. Damn.
My first thought too.
Wasn’t going to post this because it’s unsubstantiated just like all the other hundred some odd rumors floating out there, but as long as we’re commenting on twitter fan tweets:
I know a guy who knows a guy who works with a Reser who says some big donors say we offered Hoke. And the back up plans are Tedford or the Weasle.
I’m obviously in the know, So put that in your pipe and smoke it! I mean, if this is true BDC is smoking something…
I hope he was just high on pot(ato salad)
They will need to ramp up production if he gets the gig.
Did anyone catch PaC 12 weekly? It sounded liek Curtis Conway leaked a little bit of info..
When the topic about the Beavs losing 7 straight to the Ducks came up
Neuheisel was talking about how he recruited all the players that snapped UCLA’s 3 year losing streak to USC almost in interview like fashion….
Conway then said ” we’ll you sold me” or something to that effect. Seems like either we spoke to Neihusiel already or are planning to
Wow!
That sucks more than the Bronco offer.
We would have to self sanction right after the hire.
I heard on angrybeavs that Jim Harbaugh is going to be the next HC at OSU. Print it.
Now I feel better.
I’m ready to slip into darkness induced apathy if it is Hoke/Tedford/Neuheisel.
Meh
Well… at least one of them can play guitar… PLAY guitar, play guitar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg03q100E4g
I think whoever is hired as HC should take a look at handing the offense over to Bob Stitt.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/29/bob-stitt-fly-sweep-colorado-school-of-mines-college-football-offense/1659819/
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/17/6993475/bob-stitt-coach-offense-colorado-school-mines
Totally agree. Getting this guy on board as OC with a plan to groom him to HC once he establishes the recruiting network needed, proves ability to manage FBS program and similar items is the home run scenario for me. His offense would allow OSU to succeed even if they can’t consistently recruit top ten classes
Exactly. When UO brought Kelly in they were just like OSU. Average 3*ish recruiting and struggling to run a pro set effectively. Kelly recruited speed and game planned according to his players strengths. The points piled up and so did wins, and the recruiting got easier.
I think Stitt has the same potential.
Montana: According to The Missoulian, Colorado School of Mines head coach Bob Stitt has emerged as a candidate for the Montana head-coaching job.
Wells would be cheaper than Bronco. Wells is making $600K, Bronco $2000K
Did you hear that, BDC? Cheaper!
wow, $2000-thousand? impressive
I am 400% impressed.
I wanted to normalize on the K for ease of comparison :-P
I’m not sure we know Bronco’s salary with BYU being a private school, but yes I’m sure he make over 600K but I doubt it’s 2mil
That’s exactly what Bronco the guy. ‘We swung for the fences and hired the best guy available. Look at all the money we raised to get him in here.’
I’m just going by the coaches hot seat site. They nailed it with the Mike Riley “Are you kidding me?” Nebraska hire article, so I figure they’re credible ;)
A penguin over a beaver?…cmon man.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12007533/former-nebraska-coach-bo-pelini-considering-head-coaching-job-youngstown-state
He’s a good coach and likely an upgrade over Riley, but Nebraska fans have some of the same criticisms of Pelini that we do of Riley. Too loyal to underperforming coaches, bad in game decisions, poor play calling, sloppy penalties, etc.
Plus, the guy is a grade A asshole.
A least he grades out with an A in something.
Heh heh.
So I finally went and read up on Hoke just to prepare myself here. What I read wasn’t as bad as I expected. Over-all he seems to have a talent for raising the bar where he coached prior to Michigan. Kind of makes you wonder if Michigan kept him from achieving or if he just finally hit his slump there. I think I’d rather have someone else but not sure I will cut my throat and bleed out if Hoke ends up being the guy. Don’t hate.
No… he’s not right here.
Stop mentioning Bronco.
Bronco
Who, Bronco?
Nagurski?
I never got the impression Bronco cared about Oregon State. There’s an old interview where he says he picked OSU simply because he’d have the chance to play against BYU.
I can see the Riley comparisons people are making. He never did better than a Las Vegas Bowl and has been worse the past 5 years.
“I believe in Oregon State.”
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Thinking about Mendenhall, I wonder if what you see with his trajectory at BYU is a combination of diminishing returns and a little lack of direction with them being independent.
He came in with a bang and won 10 games 4 of his first 5 seasons. How much higher can a program like BYU realistically go? It was in the MWC at the time, and BYU is hardly a destination program for non-LDS recruits. Maybe they hit their ceiling at that point.
Plus, four years of having nothing to play for as an independent except a national championship can be detrimental to a program. Does BYU really think they’re going to win it all? It’s hard to steer an organization without clear goals, and it can be even harder when no one wants to schedule you.
Let’s do it this way. I’m going to start from the bottom of the pile and work my way up.
Definite No:
Hoke, Tedford, Neuheisel, Riley – thanks for playing
Pretty much just no:
Frost, Wilcox, Polian, Harsin
Meh:
Schiano, Mendenhall
Intriguing:
Meachem, Muschamp, Herman
I would like but won’t get:
Fleck, DeRuyter, Roman, Wells
And then there are the silly candidates of such obscene rumors that I have little faith we get one anyway.
So… this is how it’s going to go. We’re going to first go after Tom Izzo. When that fails, we’ll go after Jay Wright. After embarrassing ourselves thoroughly for a second time, we’ll settle on some pasty guy from a mid-major who can coach but can’t recruit worth a lick.