I don’t blame them. Two games and he has zero carries for zero yards, no TDs. Can’t win with that production.
Joking aside, I think some people are nervous because if Andersen chewed gum and Sitake hand jived the macarena that last game, you’d be wondering if they were Biley on the sidelines.
It’s okay people, breathe… In, out, in & out… Wait no, not In & Out – bad choice of words
McMaryion was awful, but he again got put in pinned deep in his own territory. The play calling, when he was in, was bizarre and didn’t put him in a position to get rhythm/succeed. He looked overwhelmed and out of rhythm.
The QB talk is so old at this point, though, that it’s not even worth getting into. Collins will be the starter, MM will get some reps and have to prove himself. Both are bad at this point. We need a moment where things click for one of them. It should be obvious when it happens, as it always is when a QB commands an offense.
I actually thought Collins managed the game pretty well in the first half, despite the throwing deficiencies. He had a couple of good runs on 3rd and long where he nearly reached first down. Those would have been nice to stretch for 1 extra yard. Then of course the Bolden fumble was a huge problem for the offense, but not Collin’s fault. The other pass over Bolden’s hands was the right play, but just a tad late. He kept the offense on the field at least, but the team’s collective f-ups led to a change in strategy which we weren’t remotely ready for. I saw a glimmer of hope in the first half and think we will pull it together against some of the less physical teams on the schedule. 4-5 wins are still a reasonable expectation.
We need one of the QBs to have an “ah ha” moment. It’s like learning any complex and difficult skill.
E.g. When I first picked up a guitar it seemed impossible. It took years to master. There were “ah ha” moments along the way. This is true of anyone in their trade. There are going to be errors as people learn. Our QBs have not had an ah ha moment. Collins has had more chances so he’s closer to a breakthrough.
If everyone thinks back on a difficult and complex skill they’ve mastered this should make sense.
Going to be very hard for MM to have his aha moment with the crappy situations he keeps getting thrust into. Feel bad for the kid, I really wanted him to take the job.
I am starting to believe in Collins becoming the future QB. That first drive was amazing, albeit scripted. He’s going to have to take his licks and growing pains, and hopefully this humbles the hell out of him. But we’ve seen a preview of what this offense can be like and it’s going to be fun.
Sometime you just have to do what you need to do to stay on the field. SC is giving MM every chance to do that. MM is not doing that. Maybe Mitchell needs to have a game chance in that instance?
At the very least, GA didn’t yank SC after he runs for a first down.
Do you guys actually think that MM is being put into the game because the staff doesn’t believe SC is effect enough?????
That is laughable! The only reason MM is getting into the game is because #2 (especially when you only have three QBs that are eligible) need to be ready to go at anytime due to injury. And if that happens, we’re in serious trouble!
If MM looked halfway decent, he would remain in the game and probably start the next one. SC leaves so very much room for someone to take that position away from him. Nobody does. Might as well see if Mitchell is a gamer.
The worst that can happen is that SC comes back in and gets one or two of our receivers killed. Once his script ends, he just looks like a chicken with his head cut off.
I don’t think I’ve seen field position change so quickly due to 1 penalty. We had them pinned down at their own 2 yard line on a beautifully perfect punt that rolled out of bounds, but a procedural penalty led to the play that gave them the ball at our 2 yard line. That was one expensive penalty. 96 yards! I don’t even know what the issue was? Were there too many guys on the field?
Illegal procedure – I think too many in the backfield. Basically someone lined up one yard behind LOS instead of on it. All you literally have to do is look at ref and confirm you are in appropriate place.
I never went back to review, wasn’t abc still on commercial?? But I think it was Jack that saw him check spot with the ref. (not sure how he picks that up via the crappy broadcast job)
It was Guyton. And it was coming out of that delay of game/run the clock down/Michigan TO pause. He walked straight out of the huddle on the sideline and stood in position and looked over at the ref. But he didn’t wave his hand? So I’m guessing the ref decided to throw the flag. I feel like that’s as subjective a call as there can be sometimes. Michigan’s WRs were lining up in the neutral zone half the time. I’m guessing they weren’t flagged because they just waved at the ref?
Is the flag actually for not waving at the ref anymore? I see the line of scrimmage as some variable squiggle for some teams. Nikegon’s D line would curve on the edges, put a hand in the neutral zone and almost play kissy helmet with the O-line at times. TEs all over the land line up at the tackle’s waist, who lines up at the guard’s waist, who lines up at the center’s waist… and they are still somehow on the LoS?
It felt to me like the refs were looking for penalties to call on us in ST that they were not calling on MIchigan. And we made it really easy on them on a facemask and a late hit. You will note that once in a while they gave no numbers for violations. I think they just threw flags to throw them a couple times.
I also was not happy a couple times seeing Michigan use the Utah shove after plays. I wondered if we would start doing that given where our staff is from. But to see Michigan go cheap when there was zero need to get in anyone’s head at that point was just weird.
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Q: You have a dual role as linebackers coach and special teams coordinator. Is it difficult to multi-task?
A: I get a lot of help. Gary’s (Andersen) really the lead coach with the punt. T.J. Woods (offensive line coach)is the lead coach with kickoff returns. So I’ve taken kickoff (coverage) and punt return and we’ve all kind of taken PAT under our wing. Even though I carry the title (special teams coordinator), I’m kind of in charge of the organizational deal overall, but these guys have helped out a lot.
Well that was a ridiculously high snap too. But did have huge momentum prior to the Bolden fumble.
So ok, 35, takeaway 7 from the bad snap is 28. Add 7 from the bolden fumble is 28-14. Then there were some just missed big holes by Villamin, Collins, etc. this game could’ve been closer, but the Biley mentality lingers, loser mentality, inadequate mentality. This game was emotional and we fell to pieces. And I do blame some on the travel and 9am start.
So going back and reading the playbyplay results lends a little insight into our offense. Each time there was a no gain on first down, the drive subsequently ended immediately. As long as more than 2 yards were gained on first down, then a drive was sustained. Just an observation. But continuing that observation, each time Chris brown got the ball on first down, it was for no gain. Woods had two first down carrys, for 8 & 2 yards. I would say based on the data set that Chris Brown is not getting it done. Sure we can blame the line, but are his reads slow? What’s up there. My eye test had Brown ahead of Woods, but on paper woods wins. Sands didn’t overly impress me either. I do think Ortiz, or a better bowling ball type back may have gain 3-4 yards on first downs and maybe the whole game story changes.
I still don’t have a solid read on Baldwins abilities, vs Andersen Era just trying to set up their style.
On Defense, I think we stop spreads better than power. So Stanford game is a little concerning.
I wonder how long the script was in the first half? Obviously the whole first series, as the tempo and execution were good. After a while the play calling just got weird, especially running small skinny guys (Bolden, Collins) up the gut. Also, the lack of lead blockers was puzzling. What’s the point of having tight ends and big running backs if you’re not going to use them when you obviously need them?
I don’t think we had another completion after the first play after their first TD. There may have been a dump off in the second half. But it was the same as an incomplete due to it being just a dumb pass.
That seems to be how far the script went. I think at that time SC was 5/6or7 with all of his yards.
People don’t know or understand the game of football then. The Michigan game was won upfront on both sides of the ball. There are two ways to beat a team like Michigan.: 1) Have a better Defensive line than Michigan’s offensive line, get in their backfield. 2) Out score them. If OSU put 40+ points on the board, Michigan doesn’t have an offense that can keep up in a shootout. OSU lacks quickness on the O-line, they lack depth on defense. Any defense that plays an entire quarter will get tired and wear down. OSU will improve and get better. Face it, it was going to be a rebuilding year anyway. Andersen will recruit the type of players he needs to make OSU successful, it will take some time. Be patient Beaver faithful. I appreciate how he takes responsibility for how they played and said he needs to do a better job coaching his players. He’s a good coach, wait and see!
It is very encouraging to hear him blame shortcomings on the coaching staff, Show me where Riley had taken blame last year, it’ll hard to find if at all, and that always pissed me off.
I would make a net about 2.5 feet off the ground and about 5.75 ft high and 4 ft wide. Net will be placed at punter distance. The long snapper will snap into the net several hundred times per week.
At some point during practice, snapper will be challenged to hit net 8 times in row. Special teams runs a mile if he misses.
Machado confirms by tweet Lucas absolutely played vs Weber State ( but never saw a ball come his way). I would not be surprised if the thinking Baldwin only gets him 15 touches this year proves correct. Not a good use of a year of fastest guy on team who should be pretty talented by his senior year. Rather have an easy come easy go attitude on redshirts with run of the mill talent.
The real killer play was the missed option pass the play previous to Bolden’s fumble. The Michgan fan next to me said, “that was great call and a sure TD.”
GA should not have punted on that 4th and three. He lost some cred in my book with that
call. Michigan was on their heels and who knows how things go after that. They had a shot, but pissed it away.
The scene where they ventured into the all black establishment where Otis Day and the Knights were playing was filmed at the Dexter Lake Club out on Hwy 58 by Dexter Lake. It’s still open and running today. Still a pretty damn funny movie. The dead horse in Dean Wormer’s office still cracks me up. Jon Belushi screaming “holy shit!” Good times
It was pretty clear to me, we got punched in the mouth and reverted to old habits. It’ll take a couple years to get the right guys in there, get them big and strong enough and get them coached up to the point where they don’t make stupid mistakes.
The Caleb Smith personal foul is a good example. If he’s got 4 years under Andersen, I doubt he makes that kind of a knucklehead play. Three years of Mike Riley coaching doesn’t just wash off overnight.
In a couple of interviews, he seems very knowledgeable about the game, about assignments and play breakdowns. So I am always confused when he does the dumbest things you could do in a game. Numerous false starts in the past, personal fouls, dropped passes, you name it. Dude has an NFL body with middle school smarts on the field.
You know I work with some brilliant people in an office/training class setting. But when we are out in the real world, they really struggle to see the big picture and make things work on the fly. Similar concept here?
What I see is a lack of leadership, and when you have just 13 Seniors and your most important position at QB is a true Freshmen you are going to see that. They needed somebody to step up and make some plays and they didn’t get that.
When adversity hits you need somebody to go in there and lead, vocally and by their play. We didn’t get that. I agree you got to be patient with our kids and let them grow a little bit. Hopefully, that starts this weekend.
We will not win a Pac-12 game this season. Subtract the first drive and we generated 2 yds of offense against a Michigan team that is rebuilding. We can not win in this league with that! Yes, even WSU will beat us this year. That does not mean that Anderson is not a good coach but our QBs are not D1 or Pac-12 caliber. Anderson is trying to install a whole new concept and the cupboard is simply bare.
They’ll win a few games. You assumption is that the team won’t improve. Most of the guys playing only have upsides. How high is yet to be determined.
To me, to compete in games, the onus is on Collin’s passing. Can he throw more than fades and screens? Will any defense respect his arm? If they really go up tempo, then they really need to score a lot since the defense will be on the field quite a bit.
Superlatives mean very very little. Would they beat any Pac12 school this week? Maybe one or two at home, but most likely not very many.
It’s a long season for everybody, injuries, growth, and matchups will go a long ways in determining wins.
Take it week by week, see how the team grows before predicting wins and losses.
Anyone besides me have trouble with the stream? A couple times it died and I had to do a refresh in order to get it going again. Then the last time it died (coach was in mid-sentence) it died for good.
I’m less concerned with Andersen than I am with Baldwin. That was easily the worst called game we’ve seen in years. Just back from Michigan last night so I still haven’t seen the game (not sure I will) but there are varying degrees of press coverage and ways to beat it.
Michigan was in extreme press. I mean it looked like two maybe yards off the line off scrimmage from my seats. The most common route we ran against press coverage was a fade!!? These are low percentage to begin with and require too much to go right to be successful. I don’t claim to know more than Baldwin , Mcgiven et al. But one thing to try is beating the press with formation changes. Bunch formations to be exact with rub routes that threaten man coverage integrity, make the Db cover in more space , force a LB on a Slot WR or H back and create natural picks. We did none of this. Another option is to run routes off of motion. We did some of this ( I saw maybe once or twice). Like i said still haven’t re- watched the game in full yet. But from where I sat our route combinations had no chance to succeed and we made no in game adjustments. Maybe they haven’t got that far in the playbook yet?
Whatever the case that offensive game planning left a lot to be desired. Everyone knew Michigan would stack the box and press us and we came out with that?
Your criticism assumes that Collins can make non fade/screen throws. It’s kind of clear he can’t right now.
The game plan seems to be based around the strengths of the players. Throwing all over the place is not one of them. Having Collins throw 25+ a game is not ideal. He’s at best a 55% completion rate. That’s 12+ plays a game that results in no yards or a possible turnover.
Collins flashes potential at times (the throw to Jarmon was great). But he’s still very raw and we all have to live with it.
How is clear he cant? When we didn’t run any slants , posts drags or corner routes and had zero bunch formations a notorious press coverage beater on Saturday from my vantage point 20 yard line in the big house. Historically those passes are easier to complete than a damm fade route. Not much touch at all just lead the receiver.
I wasn’t expecting us to the win the game or even put up 400 yards of offense. But we had 2 total yards after the first quarter. That’s mind boggling bad and is cause for SERIOUS concern.
Nothing is clear. People seem to be confusing speculating in the preseason about who would start…with that starter actually being good. They’re also confusing Weber State with real football programs when analyzing Collins. SJSU should be a better gauge, but nobody knows how good either QB is after two games especially given the opponents.
This is what we know:
Collins has made a handful of good throws, a handful of awful throws. He looks like a beanpole running between the tackles. He got a helmet to the dick when he tried to hurdle Michigan. He put up numbers vs Weber State that turn some Beaver fans on. Fast runner. Confidence? He seemed to have it…until he played Michigan — bbody language/leadership in that game.
MM has looked like a deer in headlights, been put in horrible game situations, made a couple great passes (vs Weber) but otherwise awful throws. Above average QB speed but not fast. Looks overwhelmed/clueless at this point.
What can we deduct from that? Nothing.
IMO both suck right now. Need something to click, and I think that can happen vs SJSU since they’re a little better than Weber and much worse than MI, so it’s a good tweener to bully up on for the QB
“When we didn’t run any slants , posts drags or corner routes and had zero bunch formations a notorious press coverage beater on Saturday from my vantage point 20 yard line in the big house. Historically those passes are easier to complete than a damm fade route. Not much touch at all just lead the receiver.”
There’s a reason those routes aren’t run. He can’t hit them. At least consistently, for the coaches to trust him. It’s pretty obvious the coaches aren’t opening up the playbook right now. A lot of people thought the coaches were holding back for Michigan. They weren’t.
I don’t agree with this strategy at all. It’s a defeatist mind set. We haven’t run these routes in either game and wr should be a strength of this team. We need to figure out a way to get these guys the bAll. I’m not saying Baldwin is useless or will be a bad OC after 2 games rather I’m concerned and severely unimpressed with his scheming and play calling so far.
Something will have to drastically change for us to win on Saturday.
I’m not concerned about anything yet. This is typical transition, and I expect a breakthrough later in the year when things “click”. Baldwin is fine. I think these coaches are experimenting to a degree, seeing who can do what in games.
It reminds me a little of Cal in 2013. It looks like the O-line is still trying to figure out the concepts when their splits are so wide. There were a couple times the gaps were just a jailbreak.
The benefit we have is that, although young, we have a D who can play and learn. Willis was good at getting to certain spots, but he missed some tackles and stopped moving downhill on some plays due to indecision. That will go away, and he will be very good in the future. Cal got boat raced in every 2013 game except Portland State (W… barely)… and one other game (?).
I don’t see us doing that poorly. I don’t think they had Colorado that year. And Wazzu will not be allowed to beat us up yet again. Stanford’s power is not the same as MIchigan’s, and we’ve already seen it. Except for Utah, I don’t see teams that will try to beat us without finesse.
Unlike 2013 Cal, we seem to be stuck with Zach Maynard-like QBs. Unless they improve beyond 1.5 quarters the D can’t keep us in many games.
Collins made a great read and great throw leading Jarmon to the back corner of the endzone for a TD. That was a great play against press coverage. Almost every QB coach/O Coordinator in America will have you check any route (convert) to a fade vs. Press (especially with C-1 or C-0=no safeties). There’s a couple reasons for this and it also depends on the defensive personnel. One, a fade thrown outside and deep to where only your receiver is going to get to it is fine to be incomplete. If it does get intercepted it really ends up like a punt. Checking to a slant, in or (rub combo) anything underneath with a young QB like Seth is probably not the best idea because of higher probability of tipped balls and higher possibility of turnovers. But I don’t give a crap who you are or who you have at QB, you cannot have success if you cannot protect the QB. The offensive line play was very spotty. When Collins sets his feet, gets protection and throws the deep ball, he has been very good so far (including what he reads pre/post snap).
GA basically implying D got tired due to lack of depth. Also said they played a lot of four man fronts, which is what I alluded to earlier …it’s not just a 3-4. Specifically says it will happen when teams try to get big with them. Right now, GA doesn’t have the bodies he needs. Said Elu Aydon will take off the redshirt because they need the extra body.
Kind of feel bad for him trying to make this work without the depth required.
Elu will play, a couple other redshirts will get an opportunity to lose the red. I have to imagine LB depth issues makes one of them Liuchan. The way Strong is trying to kill himself out there, Moore would be another. And TE issues make me think Togiai and Wily-Matagi will get some work.
One worry is that we haven’t seen Tago yet. Do we know where he is on rehab?
Please don’t play Irvine. Best thing this staff has done so far this season is redshirt this future impact player. Let’s not lose a big year for a tiny one like is happening with Lucas. Irvine is going to be good and we can have a shot at a really good bowl if we maximize his peak potential when we are able to really use it.
Hey, I like this guy. Do you think we could get him as a coach? He takes responsibility and understands it’s his job to learn where his guys are best and figure out how to play them.
Let me tell ya something guys, Collins is playing really well actually! He has three TD passes (should have 5- Woods and Bolden both dropped passes that were in their hands) and no picks. When he has time, sets his feet and throws (even deep) he has been great! The real problem here is the O Line. They’re not very physical and/or athletic enough to contain any pass rush. Probably one of the most disappointing parts of our team so far (with all of the experience there). The second thing is, the receivers (with the exception of Villamin- and he’s getting bracketed a lot now- are not creating separation and getting open. You can say whatever you want about the receivers’ potential but their production is not very good.
Couple things that would help here. The O Line needs to be more physical and perhaps more aggressive. A lot of blocking is just body position. If you have lazy feet, then you get holding calls because guys grab and hold on as the defender runs by them. Part of this may just be that we need some better talent (sucks to say considering these guys have so much game experience but… they’re kinda used to getting by with taking plays off, lazy feet, etc.).
But the receiver position is loaded with guys that I think could really make some differences. 6’5″ Guyton being opposite side of JV would be a nightmare for most CBs. If the defense starts bracketing and playing C-2 man, then Slots and TEs will be open in the seams all day long. Otherwise, back shoulder Fade Stop routes and Jump Balls to the outside will be there all day long! P Lucas has to be on the field with the ball in his hands! Otherwise this is a waste to not red shirt him. After watching the Spring game, (and seeing Dockery last season and in the return game)I’m thoroughly convinced that both Dockery and Hawkins can run fly sweep and Dockery has shown his downfield speed several times, high pointing and making big catches (reminds me of a Terry Glenn type guy). And the TE position, CS out! Nall, Ortiz, Clute maybe even Vanderveen should be getting targets. Basically some fresh blood on the field to see what they can do.
Again, I’m behind this staff and I respect the process but I do think that they need to follow through on guys who are not performing but especially guys that are committing (hurting the team) ridiculous penalties all the time (namely CS). That would be my only concern. That is the bet way to lose guys, is to be inconsistent on follow through with what you say you’re going to do as a coach for the guys with maybe more “potential”.
You mentioned 100 yards, that’s the entire offense. Collins has made the throws (on the money) when he has had time, no picks, a few TD drops, he’s also the leading rusher. The offense (as a whole) sucks. The receivers aren’t getting separation or making plays (JV has made a couple but can’t do it all). When you analyze what Collins has done and then say that he is a true Frosh that started in the Big house and throw a TD on a perfectly thrown fade in his first drive, yeah he’s doing really well. You need to realize that everything about that game’s deficiency was in the trenches. Period.
You’re going to tell me what I know about the Beaver QBs or even QBs in general? Ha ha. That’s a brave statement for a guy that doesn’t know me at all. I’ll tell ya a few things; It takes 11 guys on offense, not just the QB as far as production is concerned. I know that what I have seen in practices and the past two games that I have seen, that at this moment, Collins play is just fine. He hasn’t coughed the ball up and hasn’t thrown a pick. He’s has a 60% completion % which is good, especially when we are having the same issues we had last season, with poor/lazy pass pro and WRs that can’t get open on top of a mostly stagnant running game.
BTW my knowledge base comes from being a former HS player, years of coaching as an offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, special teams coordinator and position coach of several different positions at all levels of HS football. I’ve worked with ex college coaches,ex-collegiate players, even a guy who played in the NFL and my nephew was a scholarship player for the Ducks. I don’t know where your “expertise” comes from but ya better check yourself before you tell me what I do or don’t know. Challenge it all ya want but bring knowledge to the table, not just your opinion as a fan. But for you to tell me I know “zero about the QBs at this point” is flat out BS brother.
That’s cool you were a coach and player. BUT, you don’t know anything about these QBs. Gary Andersen doesn’t even know what he has. Nobody does. To claim you do is ridiculous.
Saying that Collins is “playing really well” is referring to how he is performing right now, not to what type of QB he is. Saying he is “meh” with the numbers he has put up and the players around him that have severely underachieved is a sign that you are either still bent about Collins being the starter or you flat out don’t know what you are talking about.
Some people just need it broken down Barney style: nobody knows enough about these Qbs YET. Data set is too small. We haven’t seen an adequate sample size. Andersen hasn’t seen an adequate sample size and he is hosting the closed practices. Not making a personal comment, because NOBODY knows what we have at QB. Finally, all that said, I share your enthusiasm for an optimistic outlook.
But he does need to stop jumping before running into contact, player hurdles don’t fall down like track hurdles, player hurdles tend to stop you in you’re track more often and tend to hit you first. I saw several plays where Seth thought to jump over the d line and got pummeled on the spot- vs he should have stayed grounded and had a chance to hit back/bounce off/or change direction.
Taking it further, Oregon doesn’t even know what they have with Vernon Adams, and they’ve seen him play 3 years at the FCS level. Still, nobody knows what he will be at Oregon even watching him 3 years and 2 games at FBS. Yet, people want to act like they know what Seth Collins (or MM for that matter) are about. It’s odd. Just sit back and watch, dudes, and the truth will shine through over time.
Angry has a very reasonable evaluation of qbs. The problem with Collins at this point is not really the forward pass. His problem is that he cannot read the option, cannot make the proper decision to handoff, run or pass based on the defense front and initial defensive play. This is a problem only partially mitigated by experience because instinct is a large part of the decision making process.
When you’re offensive line is passive and not physical enough, I don’t care what you run zone or man blocking schemes, it will not work. Frankly it’s a miracle that Collins has positive yardage with all of the sacks he has taken and the weak push in the running game from the offensive line. In a read option play, the “option” player goes unblocked and the QB reads that defender’s path, if he flattens out down the LOS to play the RB, the QB keeps and if he gains depth in the backfield, the QB gives. But when the QB has 2 to 3 guys in his face, there is no “correct” read. The play is blown up.
And if your boy MM (who you predicted was the guy) was in, we would have lost both games. Both would have been blowouts. And we also have the best receivers in the conference right? Guys like Adorre Jackson, JuJu Smith, Darreus Rogers from USC aren’t even close…right? UCLA, WSU, Cal all can’t touch our three receivers that play the whole game either…..
And if your boy MM (who you predicted was the guy) was in, we would have lost both games. Both would have been blowout.
First off, he isn’t my guy. Just because I predicted he would/should start, doesn’t mean I was glued to him, thought he was great, etc. It means I thought he was the best option. The coaches thought so, too, at one point — so is he their guy, too?
The fact you say both games would be a blowout just ruin your credibility further. You have no clue what would happen with MM playing all/majority of both games.
I’m starting to get an idea of what Collins is but won’t know until week 6 or so…still have no clue what MM is because he never plays enough to tell. That’s cool you know exactly what they both are, though. Maybe Andersen should hire you as a consultant.
No what’s cool is how you know it all and anytime you think you’re right and it turns out to be completely off and wrong, you then play it off like that’s not what you meant. Remember insulting Collins personally and getting your girlfriend’s take on him? Yeah, those were legit!! Wow! At least I can back up what I say with experience and knowledge. All you do is make smart ass comments and give your uninformed opinion. That’s a sign of insecurity and ignorance but I’m starting to lean off the “ignorance” and think it’s flat out stupidity! With “ignorance” you know better.
You should probably figure out the difference between pre-season speculation on who will start vs declarations the starter will be all world. Because there’s a big difference. My girlfriend’s opinion was hilarious (and probably will come true — Collins does have “i’ll fuck my teammate’s girlfriend face) and just shows you have zero sense of humor.
You base a player’s performance on what they are doing now not how they project as player. What he does in 6 games has nothing to do with how he is performing now! He’s doing his job right now, is it perfect, no but all things considered, he is doing well.
He’s doing okay, not well. “Meh” is accurate. He just gained 100 yards vs the first legit D he played. I wouldn’t call that doing well. Don’t blame his teammates unless you want to credit them for the yardage he puts up, too.
It is asinine to give Collins credit for his positive plays yet blame his teammates for his awful yardage total.
Agree he’s holding when he should pitch and running up the middle/getting killed. Yeah, he got away with it vs Weber State, and apparently GoBeavs92 is hung up on that. Vs Michigan he was a stick running through the middle. Not good. Andersen even alluded to it in interviews, but what does Andersen know about QBs…lol
“His problem is that he cannot read the option, cannot make the proper decision to handoff, run or pass based on the defense front and initial defensive play”.- Mb
You can’t be serious?! He is the only QB we have that actually can execute read option. You think he’s our leading rusher because he’s lucky ???? He is definitely the most natural at executing that aspect of this offense. Oh my god this is hysterical! Ha ha!
Andersen said Woods wasn’t ready due to an injury flare up but was magically ready in the 2nd half? I call BS but and this point, who cares. Brown and Sands are sevicable enough. Need to recruit better at RB which is stating the obvious.
I was pleased (and impressed) to see that Angry Beaves had Anderson’s presser up for view well ahead of sites like The Beaver Dam and for that matter the “official” OSU football site. Well done.
Sure we have Kids Menu Benny and a 35-7 nationally televised beatdown, but can we talk about the REAL marketing and image problem OSU has? I saw on the Pac-12 ticker that our mens soccer team is ranked #12 in the country. Absolutely mortifying!
Maybe someone can call up Hope Solo and have her beat them up. Or at least throw some air punches since we know they’ll go down from those too (soccer after all)
Sixth?! Crap! There are only five things more embarrassing than having the 6th ranked soccer team. If this keeps up we’ll be a freaking soccer school! Thank goodness for baseball.
I don’t get why Storm missed the first half for a bad knee. It is one thing to play while hurt but dumb to come in hurt to a game that is already over. Not sure GA is telling the truth.
What I think is interesting was that when GA first got here, he talked about getting guys into the weight room and getting stronger. Then, before the MI game, he talked about how tough, old, and physical the MI team was; that they had all that time in the weight room and reps.
I’m wondering if one of his first impressions when he got here was “man, these guys are a bunch of weenies.” I thought it was pretty clear, at least from my perspective, that the Beavs were out muscled.
I don’t blame them. Two games and he has zero carries for zero yards, no TDs. Can’t win with that production.
Joking aside, I think some people are nervous because if Andersen chewed gum and Sitake hand jived the macarena that last game, you’d be wondering if they were Biley on the sidelines.
It’s okay people, breathe… In, out, in & out… Wait no, not In & Out – bad choice of words
I didn’t get to see the 2nd half due to work obligations. Any feedback in McMaryion? Was there any silver lining or is Seth still the #1 guy?
Curious how SJSU feels about his sudden de-commit/flip to OSU? Will they take cheap shots like EWU on Vernon Adams?
I don’t get how this fan base would have expectations that GA could work miracles by game 2. How often do coaches have an instant impact?
McMaryion was awful, but he again got put in pinned deep in his own territory. The play calling, when he was in, was bizarre and didn’t put him in a position to get rhythm/succeed. He looked overwhelmed and out of rhythm.
The QB talk is so old at this point, though, that it’s not even worth getting into. Collins will be the starter, MM will get some reps and have to prove himself. Both are bad at this point. We need a moment where things click for one of them. It should be obvious when it happens, as it always is when a QB commands an offense.
I actually thought Collins managed the game pretty well in the first half, despite the throwing deficiencies. He had a couple of good runs on 3rd and long where he nearly reached first down. Those would have been nice to stretch for 1 extra yard. Then of course the Bolden fumble was a huge problem for the offense, but not Collin’s fault. The other pass over Bolden’s hands was the right play, but just a tad late. He kept the offense on the field at least, but the team’s collective f-ups led to a change in strategy which we weren’t remotely ready for. I saw a glimmer of hope in the first half and think we will pull it together against some of the less physical teams on the schedule. 4-5 wins are still a reasonable expectation.
We need one of the QBs to have an “ah ha” moment. It’s like learning any complex and difficult skill.
E.g. When I first picked up a guitar it seemed impossible. It took years to master. There were “ah ha” moments along the way. This is true of anyone in their trade. There are going to be errors as people learn. Our QBs have not had an ah ha moment. Collins has had more chances so he’s closer to a breakthrough.
If everyone thinks back on a difficult and complex skill they’ve mastered this should make sense.
Going to be very hard for MM to have his aha moment with the crappy situations he keeps getting thrust into. Feel bad for the kid, I really wanted him to take the job.
I am starting to believe in Collins becoming the future QB. That first drive was amazing, albeit scripted. He’s going to have to take his licks and growing pains, and hopefully this humbles the hell out of him. But we’ve seen a preview of what this offense can be like and it’s going to be fun.
Sometime you just have to do what you need to do to stay on the field. SC is giving MM every chance to do that. MM is not doing that. Maybe Mitchell needs to have a game chance in that instance?
At the very least, GA didn’t yank SC after he runs for a first down.
Do you guys actually think that MM is being put into the game because the staff doesn’t believe SC is effect enough?????
That is laughable! The only reason MM is getting into the game is because #2 (especially when you only have three QBs that are eligible) need to be ready to go at anytime due to injury. And if that happens, we’re in serious trouble!
Go Beavs!
If MM looked halfway decent, he would remain in the game and probably start the next one. SC leaves so very much room for someone to take that position away from him. Nobody does. Might as well see if Mitchell is a gamer.
The worst that can happen is that SC comes back in and gets one or two of our receivers killed. Once his script ends, he just looks like a chicken with his head cut off.
Well, Andersen is the special teams coach and there was a big mistake there.
I don’t think I’ve seen field position change so quickly due to 1 penalty. We had them pinned down at their own 2 yard line on a beautifully perfect punt that rolled out of bounds, but a procedural penalty led to the play that gave them the ball at our 2 yard line. That was one expensive penalty. 96 yards! I don’t even know what the issue was? Were there too many guys on the field?
Illegal procedure – I think too many in the backfield. Basically someone lined up one yard behind LOS instead of on it. All you literally have to do is look at ref and confirm you are in appropriate place.
close. Illegal formation was the penalty
Good call. Nearly blew that one. ;)
I never went back to review, wasn’t abc still on commercial?? But I think it was Jack that saw him check spot with the ref. (not sure how he picks that up via the crappy broadcast job)
It was Guyton. And it was coming out of that delay of game/run the clock down/Michigan TO pause. He walked straight out of the huddle on the sideline and stood in position and looked over at the ref. But he didn’t wave his hand? So I’m guessing the ref decided to throw the flag. I feel like that’s as subjective a call as there can be sometimes. Michigan’s WRs were lining up in the neutral zone half the time. I’m guessing they weren’t flagged because they just waved at the ref?
Is the flag actually for not waving at the ref anymore? I see the line of scrimmage as some variable squiggle for some teams. Nikegon’s D line would curve on the edges, put a hand in the neutral zone and almost play kissy helmet with the O-line at times. TEs all over the land line up at the tackle’s waist, who lines up at the guard’s waist, who lines up at the center’s waist… and they are still somehow on the LoS?
It felt to me like the refs were looking for penalties to call on us in ST that they were not calling on MIchigan. And we made it really easy on them on a facemask and a late hit. You will note that once in a while they gave no numbers for violations. I think they just threw flags to throw them a couple times.
I also was not happy a couple times seeing Michigan use the Utah shove after plays. I wondered if we would start doing that given where our staff is from. But to see Michigan go cheap when there was zero need to get in anyone’s head at that point was just weird.
> All you literally have to do is look at ref and confirm you are in appropriate place.
Which, according to a post game interview, he did do.
Iliaki is the ST coach.
Is that like Bennifer?
What’s bennifer? is that an evergreen of some kind?
Perhaps they were referring to benefiber? :-)
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That assumption is a little irregular.
Andersen is the punt coach.
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/sports/college/oregon-state/2015/08/27/beavers-qa-special-teams-coordinator-ilaisa-tuiaki/32478701/
Q: You have a dual role as linebackers coach and special teams coordinator. Is it difficult to multi-task?
A: I get a lot of help. Gary’s (Andersen) really the lead coach with the punt. T.J. Woods (offensive line coach)is the lead coach with kickoff returns. So I’ve taken kickoff (coverage) and punt return and we’ve all kind of taken PAT under our wing. Even though I carry the title (special teams coordinator), I’m kind of in charge of the organizational deal overall, but these guys have helped out a lot.
Ah… so… one ring to rule them all?
Andersen is not the Special Teams Coordinator. The LB coach is.
Go Beavs!
Collins has no ints yet in his career. Lots of speculation would’ve had you believe otherwise.
He can’t even get it close enough for the DBs to make a play? That kind of speculation?
Victor fucked us straight up
Well that was a ridiculously high snap too. But did have huge momentum prior to the Bolden fumble.
So ok, 35, takeaway 7 from the bad snap is 28. Add 7 from the bolden fumble is 28-14. Then there were some just missed big holes by Villamin, Collins, etc. this game could’ve been closer, but the Biley mentality lingers, loser mentality, inadequate mentality. This game was emotional and we fell to pieces. And I do blame some on the travel and 9am start.
So going back and reading the playbyplay results lends a little insight into our offense. Each time there was a no gain on first down, the drive subsequently ended immediately. As long as more than 2 yards were gained on first down, then a drive was sustained. Just an observation. But continuing that observation, each time Chris brown got the ball on first down, it was for no gain. Woods had two first down carrys, for 8 & 2 yards. I would say based on the data set that Chris Brown is not getting it done. Sure we can blame the line, but are his reads slow? What’s up there. My eye test had Brown ahead of Woods, but on paper woods wins. Sands didn’t overly impress me either. I do think Ortiz, or a better bowling ball type back may have gain 3-4 yards on first downs and maybe the whole game story changes.
I still don’t have a solid read on Baldwins abilities, vs Andersen Era just trying to set up their style.
On Defense, I think we stop spreads better than power. So Stanford game is a little concerning.
I wonder how long the script was in the first half? Obviously the whole first series, as the tempo and execution were good. After a while the play calling just got weird, especially running small skinny guys (Bolden, Collins) up the gut. Also, the lack of lead blockers was puzzling. What’s the point of having tight ends and big running backs if you’re not going to use them when you obviously need them?
I don’t know about script, or if they are just bad a calling a 2-10 play??
I don’t think we had another completion after the first play after their first TD. There may have been a dump off in the second half. But it was the same as an incomplete due to it being just a dumb pass.
That seems to be how far the script went. I think at that time SC was 5/6or7 with all of his yards.
People don’t know or understand the game of football then. The Michigan game was won upfront on both sides of the ball. There are two ways to beat a team like Michigan.: 1) Have a better Defensive line than Michigan’s offensive line, get in their backfield. 2) Out score them. If OSU put 40+ points on the board, Michigan doesn’t have an offense that can keep up in a shootout. OSU lacks quickness on the O-line, they lack depth on defense. Any defense that plays an entire quarter will get tired and wear down. OSU will improve and get better. Face it, it was going to be a rebuilding year anyway. Andersen will recruit the type of players he needs to make OSU successful, it will take some time. Be patient Beaver faithful. I appreciate how he takes responsibility for how they played and said he needs to do a better job coaching his players. He’s a good coach, wait and see!
People are too impatient.
Scotty, you gotta change your email when you change your name ;)
I meant to post as scotty bust forgot I had a cancelled Bruce Read post from earlier. Oops :(
Not really Bruce? Having painful flashbacks about finding out the truth about Santa.
Whiskey isn’t a napkin either. *pat pat*
It is very encouraging to hear him blame shortcomings on the coaching staff, Show me where Riley had taken blame last year, it’ll hard to find if at all, and that always pissed me off.
Exactly! Andersen said “it’s on me” not, we executed poorly, ran out of time (infamous Mike Bellotti) Etc…
How to train your long snapper:
I would make a net about 2.5 feet off the ground and about 5.75 ft high and 4 ft wide. Net will be placed at punter distance. The long snapper will snap into the net several hundred times per week.
At some point during practice, snapper will be challenged to hit net 8 times in row. Special teams runs a mile if he misses.
Machado confirms by tweet Lucas absolutely played vs Weber State ( but never saw a ball come his way). I would not be surprised if the thinking Baldwin only gets him 15 touches this year proves correct. Not a good use of a year of fastest guy on team who should be pretty talented by his senior year. Rather have an easy come easy go attitude on redshirts with run of the mill talent.
The real killer play was the missed option pass the play previous to Bolden’s fumble. The Michgan fan next to me said, “that was great call and a sure TD.”
GA should not have punted on that 4th and three. He lost some cred in my book with that
call. Michigan was on their heels and who knows how things go after that. They had a shot, but pissed it away.
Truth
Way too soon to bail on GA. “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?” JB
Wasn’t it the Japanese that invaded Pearl Harbor? I am sure it was actually, I looked on google.com. I hope you didn’t study history at OSU.
It’s a quote from Animal House
Bombed, not invaded. No soup for you!
Boooooooo
Are you kidding? You actually had to look on Google to figure out the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? JB hooked you like a hungry Coho.
“Relax…. He’s on a roll” Otter 1978
That didn’t actually just happen did it?
Mike and the Mechanics?
Just wow
The scene where they ventured into the all black establishment where Otis Day and the Knights were playing was filmed at the Dexter Lake Club out on Hwy 58 by Dexter Lake. It’s still open and running today. Still a pretty damn funny movie. The dead horse in Dean Wormer’s office still cracks me up. Jon Belushi screaming “holy shit!” Good times
It was pretty clear to me, we got punched in the mouth and reverted to old habits. It’ll take a couple years to get the right guys in there, get them big and strong enough and get them coached up to the point where they don’t make stupid mistakes.
The Caleb Smith personal foul is a good example. If he’s got 4 years under Andersen, I doubt he makes that kind of a knucklehead play. Three years of Mike Riley coaching doesn’t just wash off overnight.
Caleb Smith is a penalty machine. I think his negative side outweighs his positives. I’d like to see what Vanderveen has, or someone else.
A couple years is it though. By year three of GA, this is either a non-issue or he’s owning it.
In a couple of interviews, he seems very knowledgeable about the game, about assignments and play breakdowns. So I am always confused when he does the dumbest things you could do in a game. Numerous false starts in the past, personal fouls, dropped passes, you name it. Dude has an NFL body with middle school smarts on the field.
It’s the roids.
You know I work with some brilliant people in an office/training class setting. But when we are out in the real world, they really struggle to see the big picture and make things work on the fly. Similar concept here?
What I see is a lack of leadership, and when you have just 13 Seniors and your most important position at QB is a true Freshmen you are going to see that. They needed somebody to step up and make some plays and they didn’t get that.
When adversity hits you need somebody to go in there and lead, vocally and by their play. We didn’t get that. I agree you got to be patient with our kids and let them grow a little bit. Hopefully, that starts this weekend.
We will not win a Pac-12 game this season. Subtract the first drive and we generated 2 yds of offense against a Michigan team that is rebuilding. We can not win in this league with that! Yes, even WSU will beat us this year. That does not mean that Anderson is not a good coach but our QBs are not D1 or Pac-12 caliber. Anderson is trying to install a whole new concept and the cupboard is simply bare.
They’ll win a few games. You assumption is that the team won’t improve. Most of the guys playing only have upsides. How high is yet to be determined.
To me, to compete in games, the onus is on Collin’s passing. Can he throw more than fades and screens? Will any defense respect his arm? If they really go up tempo, then they really need to score a lot since the defense will be on the field quite a bit.
Superlatives mean very very little. Would they beat any Pac12 school this week? Maybe one or two at home, but most likely not very many.
It’s a long season for everybody, injuries, growth, and matchups will go a long ways in determining wins.
Take it week by week, see how the team grows before predicting wins and losses.
Monday presser at 12:15
http://pac-12.com/live/oregon-state-university-2
Thanks for the link.
Anyone besides me have trouble with the stream? A couple times it died and I had to do a refresh in order to get it going again. Then the last time it died (coach was in mid-sentence) it died for good.
You need Super Beta Prostate.
I tried it once and blew out my knee
Says Larry King
It’s archived now: https://soundcloud.com/oregon-state-athletics/gary-andersen-press-conference-sept-14-2015
Some good recruits visiting this weekend. Clean it up Beavs, play well.
I’m less concerned with Andersen than I am with Baldwin. That was easily the worst called game we’ve seen in years. Just back from Michigan last night so I still haven’t seen the game (not sure I will) but there are varying degrees of press coverage and ways to beat it.
Michigan was in extreme press. I mean it looked like two maybe yards off the line off scrimmage from my seats. The most common route we ran against press coverage was a fade!!? These are low percentage to begin with and require too much to go right to be successful. I don’t claim to know more than Baldwin , Mcgiven et al. But one thing to try is beating the press with formation changes. Bunch formations to be exact with rub routes that threaten man coverage integrity, make the Db cover in more space , force a LB on a Slot WR or H back and create natural picks. We did none of this. Another option is to run routes off of motion. We did some of this ( I saw maybe once or twice). Like i said still haven’t re- watched the game in full yet. But from where I sat our route combinations had no chance to succeed and we made no in game adjustments. Maybe they haven’t got that far in the playbook yet?
Whatever the case that offensive game planning left a lot to be desired. Everyone knew Michigan would stack the box and press us and we came out with that?
Your criticism assumes that Collins can make non fade/screen throws. It’s kind of clear he can’t right now.
The game plan seems to be based around the strengths of the players. Throwing all over the place is not one of them. Having Collins throw 25+ a game is not ideal. He’s at best a 55% completion rate. That’s 12+ plays a game that results in no yards or a possible turnover.
Collins flashes potential at times (the throw to Jarmon was great). But he’s still very raw and we all have to live with it.
How is clear he cant? When we didn’t run any slants , posts drags or corner routes and had zero bunch formations a notorious press coverage beater on Saturday from my vantage point 20 yard line in the big house. Historically those passes are easier to complete than a damm fade route. Not much touch at all just lead the receiver.
I wasn’t expecting us to the win the game or even put up 400 yards of offense. But we had 2 total yards after the first quarter. That’s mind boggling bad and is cause for SERIOUS concern.
Nothing is clear. People seem to be confusing speculating in the preseason about who would start…with that starter actually being good. They’re also confusing Weber State with real football programs when analyzing Collins. SJSU should be a better gauge, but nobody knows how good either QB is after two games especially given the opponents.
This is what we know:
Collins has made a handful of good throws, a handful of awful throws. He looks like a beanpole running between the tackles. He got a helmet to the dick when he tried to hurdle Michigan. He put up numbers vs Weber State that turn some Beaver fans on. Fast runner. Confidence? He seemed to have it…until he played Michigan — bbody language/leadership in that game.
MM has looked like a deer in headlights, been put in horrible game situations, made a couple great passes (vs Weber) but otherwise awful throws. Above average QB speed but not fast. Looks overwhelmed/clueless at this point.
What can we deduct from that? Nothing.
IMO both suck right now. Need something to click, and I think that can happen vs SJSU since they’re a little better than Weber and much worse than MI, so it’s a good tweener to bully up on for the QB
“When we didn’t run any slants , posts drags or corner routes and had zero bunch formations a notorious press coverage beater on Saturday from my vantage point 20 yard line in the big house. Historically those passes are easier to complete than a damm fade route. Not much touch at all just lead the receiver.”
There’s a reason those routes aren’t run. He can’t hit them. At least consistently, for the coaches to trust him. It’s pretty obvious the coaches aren’t opening up the playbook right now. A lot of people thought the coaches were holding back for Michigan. They weren’t.
I don’t agree with this strategy at all. It’s a defeatist mind set. We haven’t run these routes in either game and wr should be a strength of this team. We need to figure out a way to get these guys the bAll. I’m not saying Baldwin is useless or will be a bad OC after 2 games rather I’m concerned and severely unimpressed with his scheming and play calling so far.
Something will have to drastically change for us to win on Saturday.
I’m not concerned about anything yet. This is typical transition, and I expect a breakthrough later in the year when things “click”. Baldwin is fine. I think these coaches are experimenting to a degree, seeing who can do what in games.
It reminds me a little of Cal in 2013. It looks like the O-line is still trying to figure out the concepts when their splits are so wide. There were a couple times the gaps were just a jailbreak.
The benefit we have is that, although young, we have a D who can play and learn. Willis was good at getting to certain spots, but he missed some tackles and stopped moving downhill on some plays due to indecision. That will go away, and he will be very good in the future. Cal got boat raced in every 2013 game except Portland State (W… barely)… and one other game (?).
I don’t see us doing that poorly. I don’t think they had Colorado that year. And Wazzu will not be allowed to beat us up yet again. Stanford’s power is not the same as MIchigan’s, and we’ve already seen it. Except for Utah, I don’t see teams that will try to beat us without finesse.
Unlike 2013 Cal, we seem to be stuck with Zach Maynard-like QBs. Unless they improve beyond 1.5 quarters the D can’t keep us in many games.
Collins made a great read and great throw leading Jarmon to the back corner of the endzone for a TD. That was a great play against press coverage. Almost every QB coach/O Coordinator in America will have you check any route (convert) to a fade vs. Press (especially with C-1 or C-0=no safeties). There’s a couple reasons for this and it also depends on the defensive personnel. One, a fade thrown outside and deep to where only your receiver is going to get to it is fine to be incomplete. If it does get intercepted it really ends up like a punt. Checking to a slant, in or (rub combo) anything underneath with a young QB like Seth is probably not the best idea because of higher probability of tipped balls and higher possibility of turnovers. But I don’t give a crap who you are or who you have at QB, you cannot have success if you cannot protect the QB. The offensive line play was very spotty. When Collins sets his feet, gets protection and throws the deep ball, he has been very good so far (including what he reads pre/post snap).
Go Beavs!
GA basically implying D got tired due to lack of depth. Also said they played a lot of four man fronts, which is what I alluded to earlier …it’s not just a 3-4. Specifically says it will happen when teams try to get big with them. Right now, GA doesn’t have the bodies he needs. Said Elu Aydon will take off the redshirt because they need the extra body.
Kind of feel bad for him trying to make this work without the depth required.
Next year should be so much better.
Will not?
People are complaining about a kids Beaver Logo. Carry On…
They should.
Good for them. And good for you for noticing.
Nice to hear Elu Aydun is healthy and sounds like he’ll burn his redshirt in the next game
At work so can’t listen to presser…
I thought above Angry said they will not burn the redshirt. I’m confused.
I heard Andersen say that Aydun will be playing.
Sorry, typo — that should have read “will”
Fixed it
I was just going off gina’s tweet
https://twitter.com/ginamizell/status/643512068663021568
Found it… 12:20
https://soundcloud.com/oregon-state-athletics/gary-andersen-press-conference-sept-14-2015
Elu will play, a couple other redshirts will get an opportunity to lose the red. I have to imagine LB depth issues makes one of them Liuchan. The way Strong is trying to kill himself out there, Moore would be another. And TE issues make me think Togiai and Wily-Matagi will get some work.
One worry is that we haven’t seen Tago yet. Do we know where he is on rehab?
Please don’t play Irvine. Best thing this staff has done so far this season is redshirt this future impact player. Let’s not lose a big year for a tiny one like is happening with Lucas. Irvine is going to be good and we can have a shot at a really good bowl if we maximize his peak potential when we are able to really use it.
I think we have enough depth at CB, and they have been playing well thus far.
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What is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iURfG7vfCSg
Hey, I like this guy. Do you think we could get him as a coach? He takes responsibility and understands it’s his job to learn where his guys are best and figure out how to play them.
Sounds reasonable to me. :-)
But… we don’t have an airport. And we’re a nerd school.
http://qz.com/498534/these-25-schools-are-responsible-for-the-greatest-advances-in-science/
Ya i think we need to give Andersen another year or two to get his guys. Look at how many of his guys are already playing solid minutes.
Let me tell ya something guys, Collins is playing really well actually! He has three TD passes (should have 5- Woods and Bolden both dropped passes that were in their hands) and no picks. When he has time, sets his feet and throws (even deep) he has been great! The real problem here is the O Line. They’re not very physical and/or athletic enough to contain any pass rush. Probably one of the most disappointing parts of our team so far (with all of the experience there). The second thing is, the receivers (with the exception of Villamin- and he’s getting bracketed a lot now- are not creating separation and getting open. You can say whatever you want about the receivers’ potential but their production is not very good.
Couple things that would help here. The O Line needs to be more physical and perhaps more aggressive. A lot of blocking is just body position. If you have lazy feet, then you get holding calls because guys grab and hold on as the defender runs by them. Part of this may just be that we need some better talent (sucks to say considering these guys have so much game experience but… they’re kinda used to getting by with taking plays off, lazy feet, etc.).
But the receiver position is loaded with guys that I think could really make some differences. 6’5″ Guyton being opposite side of JV would be a nightmare for most CBs. If the defense starts bracketing and playing C-2 man, then Slots and TEs will be open in the seams all day long. Otherwise, back shoulder Fade Stop routes and Jump Balls to the outside will be there all day long! P Lucas has to be on the field with the ball in his hands! Otherwise this is a waste to not red shirt him. After watching the Spring game, (and seeing Dockery last season and in the return game)I’m thoroughly convinced that both Dockery and Hawkins can run fly sweep and Dockery has shown his downfield speed several times, high pointing and making big catches (reminds me of a Terry Glenn type guy). And the TE position, CS out! Nall, Ortiz, Clute maybe even Vanderveen should be getting targets. Basically some fresh blood on the field to see what they can do.
Again, I’m behind this staff and I respect the process but I do think that they need to follow through on guys who are not performing but especially guys that are committing (hurting the team) ridiculous penalties all the time (namely CS). That would be my only concern. That is the bet way to lose guys, is to be inconsistent on follow through with what you say you’re going to do as a coach for the guys with maybe more “potential”.
Go Beavs!
Collins is playing really well actually!
100 yards of total offense last week = “playing really well”?
Weber State game was meaningless. He’s playing meh, MM is playing badly.
You mentioned 100 yards, that’s the entire offense. Collins has made the throws (on the money) when he has had time, no picks, a few TD drops, he’s also the leading rusher. The offense (as a whole) sucks. The receivers aren’t getting separation or making plays (JV has made a couple but can’t do it all). When you analyze what Collins has done and then say that he is a true Frosh that started in the Big house and throw a TD on a perfectly thrown fade in his first drive, yeah he’s doing really well. You need to realize that everything about that game’s deficiency was in the trenches. Period.
Go Beavs!
You know zero about the QBs at this point, nor do I. It’s so old.
This is the problem with small data sets.
Jon Gruden is borderline retarded. How did this guy win a super bowl?
Just when you thought ESPN couldn’t stoop any lower pandering to the $
http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/call-him-the-candy-man-rece-davis-changing-his-name-to-reese.html
You’re going to tell me what I know about the Beaver QBs or even QBs in general? Ha ha. That’s a brave statement for a guy that doesn’t know me at all. I’ll tell ya a few things; It takes 11 guys on offense, not just the QB as far as production is concerned. I know that what I have seen in practices and the past two games that I have seen, that at this moment, Collins play is just fine. He hasn’t coughed the ball up and hasn’t thrown a pick. He’s has a 60% completion % which is good, especially when we are having the same issues we had last season, with poor/lazy pass pro and WRs that can’t get open on top of a mostly stagnant running game.
BTW my knowledge base comes from being a former HS player, years of coaching as an offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, special teams coordinator and position coach of several different positions at all levels of HS football. I’ve worked with ex college coaches,ex-collegiate players, even a guy who played in the NFL and my nephew was a scholarship player for the Ducks. I don’t know where your “expertise” comes from but ya better check yourself before you tell me what I do or don’t know. Challenge it all ya want but bring knowledge to the table, not just your opinion as a fan. But for you to tell me I know “zero about the QBs at this point” is flat out BS brother.
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You know zero about the QBs at this point.
Ha ha typical ignorance as an answer. Something Madden football couldn’t teach you? JHC, what a joke! lol
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That’s cool you were a coach and player. BUT, you don’t know anything about these QBs. Gary Andersen doesn’t even know what he has. Nobody does. To claim you do is ridiculous.
Saying that Collins is “playing really well” is referring to how he is performing right now, not to what type of QB he is. Saying he is “meh” with the numbers he has put up and the players around him that have severely underachieved is a sign that you are either still bent about Collins being the starter or you flat out don’t know what you are talking about.
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Some people just need it broken down Barney style: nobody knows enough about these Qbs YET. Data set is too small. We haven’t seen an adequate sample size. Andersen hasn’t seen an adequate sample size and he is hosting the closed practices. Not making a personal comment, because NOBODY knows what we have at QB. Finally, all that said, I share your enthusiasm for an optimistic outlook.
But he does need to stop jumping before running into contact, player hurdles don’t fall down like track hurdles, player hurdles tend to stop you in you’re track more often and tend to hit you first. I saw several plays where Seth thought to jump over the d line and got pummeled on the spot- vs he should have stayed grounded and had a chance to hit back/bounce off/or change direction.
Taking it further, Oregon doesn’t even know what they have with Vernon Adams, and they’ve seen him play 3 years at the FCS level. Still, nobody knows what he will be at Oregon even watching him 3 years and 2 games at FBS. Yet, people want to act like they know what Seth Collins (or MM for that matter) are about. It’s odd. Just sit back and watch, dudes, and the truth will shine through over time.
Does anyone know which Beaver it was who blocked a Michigan player that was already on the ground and apparently got penalized for it?
TIA
Caleb Smith
Lucky guess ;)
The new Remmers
Remmers 2, Penalty Boogaloo
Here’s the results between last week’s Steele Prediction and what ACTUALLY happened:
(Prediction – Actual)
Oregon State Rushing: 100 – 59
Oregon State Passing: 155 – 79
Oregon State Total: 255 – 138
Michigan Rushing: 241 – 225
Michigan Passing: 261 – 180
Michigan Total: 502 – 405
Phil Steele’s Game Grade: 71.5 – C-
Season Grade to Date: 70.3 – C-
Angry has a very reasonable evaluation of qbs. The problem with Collins at this point is not really the forward pass. His problem is that he cannot read the option, cannot make the proper decision to handoff, run or pass based on the defense front and initial defensive play. This is a problem only partially mitigated by experience because instinct is a large part of the decision making process.
Agree, and I feel that the exchanges/reads are too slow. Doesn’t promptly react to what is given, and so the lanes close.
When you’re offensive line is passive and not physical enough, I don’t care what you run zone or man blocking schemes, it will not work. Frankly it’s a miracle that Collins has positive yardage with all of the sacks he has taken and the weak push in the running game from the offensive line. In a read option play, the “option” player goes unblocked and the QB reads that defender’s path, if he flattens out down the LOS to play the RB, the QB keeps and if he gains depth in the backfield, the QB gives. But when the QB has 2 to 3 guys in his face, there is no “correct” read. The play is blown up.
And if your boy MM (who you predicted was the guy) was in, we would have lost both games. Both would have been blowouts. And we also have the best receivers in the conference right? Guys like Adorre Jackson, JuJu Smith, Darreus Rogers from USC aren’t even close…right? UCLA, WSU, Cal all can’t touch our three receivers that play the whole game either…..
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And if your boy MM (who you predicted was the guy) was in, we would have lost both games. Both would have been blowout.
First off, he isn’t my guy. Just because I predicted he would/should start, doesn’t mean I was glued to him, thought he was great, etc. It means I thought he was the best option. The coaches thought so, too, at one point — so is he their guy, too?
The fact you say both games would be a blowout just ruin your credibility further. You have no clue what would happen with MM playing all/majority of both games.
I’m starting to get an idea of what Collins is but won’t know until week 6 or so…still have no clue what MM is because he never plays enough to tell. That’s cool you know exactly what they both are, though. Maybe Andersen should hire you as a consultant.
No what’s cool is how you know it all and anytime you think you’re right and it turns out to be completely off and wrong, you then play it off like that’s not what you meant. Remember insulting Collins personally and getting your girlfriend’s take on him? Yeah, those were legit!! Wow! At least I can back up what I say with experience and knowledge. All you do is make smart ass comments and give your uninformed opinion. That’s a sign of insecurity and ignorance but I’m starting to lean off the “ignorance” and think it’s flat out stupidity! With “ignorance” you know better.
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Are you foaming at the mouth as you write this?
You should probably figure out the difference between pre-season speculation on who will start vs declarations the starter will be all world. Because there’s a big difference. My girlfriend’s opinion was hilarious (and probably will come true — Collins does have “i’ll fuck my teammate’s girlfriend face) and just shows you have zero sense of humor.
You base a player’s performance on what they are doing now not how they project as player. What he does in 6 games has nothing to do with how he is performing now! He’s doing his job right now, is it perfect, no but all things considered, he is doing well.
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He’s doing okay, not well. “Meh” is accurate. He just gained 100 yards vs the first legit D he played. I wouldn’t call that doing well. Don’t blame his teammates unless you want to credit them for the yardage he puts up, too.
It is asinine to give Collins credit for his positive plays yet blame his teammates for his awful yardage total.
His problem is that he cannot read the option
Agree he’s holding when he should pitch and running up the middle/getting killed. Yeah, he got away with it vs Weber State, and apparently GoBeavs92 is hung up on that. Vs Michigan he was a stick running through the middle. Not good. Andersen even alluded to it in interviews, but what does Andersen know about QBs…lol
“His problem is that he cannot read the option, cannot make the proper decision to handoff, run or pass based on the defense front and initial defensive play”.- Mb
You can’t be serious?! He is the only QB we have that actually can execute read option. You think he’s our leading rusher because he’s lucky ???? He is definitely the most natural at executing that aspect of this offense. Oh my god this is hysterical! Ha ha!
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I think we can all agree he is our best option to run the read option, he just has to be more consistent. It will come he’s just a wee lad
Andersen said Woods wasn’t ready due to an injury flare up but was magically ready in the 2nd half? I call BS but and this point, who cares. Brown and Sands are sevicable enough. Need to recruit better at RB which is stating the obvious.
I thought he was suspended or something. That seemed most likely.
Brown now listed ahead off Woods. They had Thomas coming in from Florida but he didn’t qualify, Staples seemed impressed during his visit vs Weber St.
This gobeavs92 guy is funny. I’m thinking he got bit by a rabid beaver, if you know what I mean…
Man Crush Monday
I was pleased (and impressed) to see that Angry Beaves had Anderson’s presser up for view well ahead of sites like The Beaver Dam and for that matter the “official” OSU football site. Well done.
Actually, “Beavs”
Sure we have Kids Menu Benny and a 35-7 nationally televised beatdown, but can we talk about the REAL marketing and image problem OSU has? I saw on the Pac-12 ticker that our mens soccer team is ranked #12 in the country. Absolutely mortifying!
Maybe someone can call up Hope Solo and have her beat them up. Or at least throw some air punches since we know they’ll go down from those too (soccer after all)
They are up to 6th in one poll. I have no idea what’s going on with our soccer teams given where the women were last year and the men two years ago.
Sixth?! Crap! There are only five things more embarrassing than having the 6th ranked soccer team. If this keeps up we’ll be a freaking soccer school! Thank goodness for baseball.
Did we win bass fishing or racquetball again this year? That might save us.
Yeah, because having successful men’s and women’s soccer programs is more embarrassing than having Riley, Banker, et al for a coaching staff.
Just go with it. He thinks it’s funny for whatever reason, and it’s not hurting anyone… certainly not with gut pain… from laughing too hard.
You take me too seriously :)
heh heh
I don’t get why Storm missed the first half for a bad knee. It is one thing to play while hurt but dumb to come in hurt to a game that is already over. Not sure GA is telling the truth.
What I think is interesting was that when GA first got here, he talked about getting guys into the weight room and getting stronger. Then, before the MI game, he talked about how tough, old, and physical the MI team was; that they had all that time in the weight room and reps.
I’m wondering if one of his first impressions when he got here was “man, these guys are a bunch of weenies.” I thought it was pretty clear, at least from my perspective, that the Beavs were out muscled.