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Easy access to guns is a good thing.
If you don’t like the Country’s founding principles, you should leave the Country, rather than rewrite the laws because you are too lazy to move. But it’s much easier to whine about it and tell other people how they should live, that they can’t defend themselves, hunt, engage in hobby/target shooting, etc.

In fact, how about instead of banning guns, the US makes a deal to export our disgruntled gun hating citizens to UK/Australia et al. They’ll have the “safe” havens they desire, and see how that goes for them. My guess is they will find something else to complain about or irrationally fear, like knives, arson, hammers, bombs, rape (that the lack of guns has caused), etc etc.

Ah, moving the goalpost fallacy.

Whether they are safer than the US isn’t the issue. The question is whether guns have reduced violence in those Countries, and by most metrics they haven’t. There has been an uptick in contact violence (rape, assault, knife death, etc) and even non contact like arson (Australia has had several mass arsons, something we don’t hear about here).. I grant that statistics can be manipulated and flawed, so the valid question would be whether we can trust those figures, if there is methodology error, etc.

Bunch of pansies around here…
I get that you want to drink your $10 cafe latte and $5 muffin in absolute, social sterility, fairness, and safety while judging the rest of society, but come on, at least grow a tiny sack. One nut would suffice. I’d be happy if you guys just stopped interfering with those of us who have two.

The principle only ask that it not be loaded. Today that would be a instant call to swat, and a possible drone strike. Ohh the pussifacation of America.

Because the government and kind-hearted liberals are protecting you from your own stupidity. Duh!
#controlfreaks

-Australia and England rape rates have skyrocketed since they banned/limited guns.
-UK has millions of unregistered guns being used in crimes, too. (some reports say gun violence has actually increased, just underground now) as rape and robbery skyrocket. These victims can’t defend themselves with a neutralizing weapon thanks to the dingbat, control freaks.
-There are legit uses of guns. Why the focus on extremely rare mass shootings?
-Guns save lives daily, yet the stories are not reported.
-If Jack doesn’t want to shoot a bullet through his walls, then don’t get a gun, or use a round with lower power/wider spread — easy solutions. But don’t tell others what to do under a guise of “but…the children”!
-There are plenty of people on Rx drugs, who own guns, who have zero interest in killing people. Even that argument is logically unsound.

Stats suck.

These gun arguments are always about assholes who want to tell people how to live vs people who don’t want to be told what to do, and the former [usually] eventually win these populist arguments by manipulating emotions, data, etc and not letting tragedy go to waste.

I think the more important issue, compared to say mental health, is gun training and safety. If you buy a gun, you should take it upon yourself to train. Handling and misuse are the main causes of gun death (outside of governments, cartels, gangs, etc).

That argument is awful. Statistically, you are more likely to die in a plane crash if you fly.

Derp.

I never mentioned cars.
I said if you fly, you are more likely to die in a plane.

Derp.

Anyway, guns are inherently dangerous. It’s why I mentioned training and safety. I’d be behind a public service announcement highlighting gun safety and encouraging proper training. Guns are mostly safe if you train, and they can and do save lives en masse. It’s up to each citizen to weigh the very minor risk (if properly trained) vs the reward. The reward (defense, and hobby target shooting that brings joy), to me, far outweighs the risk. But I trained with a professional and know how to operate, know when something is faulty, etc.

Mass shootings are a non-issue to me. There will always be things like that, and I don’t believe you can plan society around them and still have a healthy society. Stripping rights from citizens turns those shackles inward, and you’re likely to end up with more bottled up people. And this is born out in the countries that banned or limited guns — violence overall went up. Part of that, with rape and robbery, is also knowing the victim can’t defend themselves. So if you are bigger, you win. Guns are a neutralizing weapon.

Mostly right, AYY.

This is straight up thievery.

I’d say this is slightly off because we reap benefits of low cost goods (i.e. produce). So society does get some perks of the cheap labor, but those perks mostly go to corporations’ profit margins.

I think the gun argument will always come down to “I don’t like guns” vs “I like guns”. That’s the core. The stats people throw around are just masturbation to back up that emotional/social preference. The stats can easily be “massaged” to favor a viewpoint. Then it becomes a meme on social media and people believe it if they agree with it and visa versa. The problem with all this is that with every mass shooting, the cries become louder for govt to do something. Govt, of course, loves stripping citizens of rights, so they’ll gladly oblige (all the while laughing at the fools who gave up their rights). I think guns will be banned eventually.

Another thing with the anti-gun people: they are people who don’t use guns, almost always. So they want to tell you what to do because it doesn’t effect them at all, other then a false sense of safety (I’d argue it’s sterility to live a fearless life, but that’s another matter). So yeah, it is so easy for them to ban it. But see how they feel about banning a “deadly weapon” that they actually use, like a car (and yes, under law these are deadly weapons, capable of mass murder). See how the dandy-pants feels about banning cars. How can they get to their muffins and lattes? I guess on their scooters and mopeds, until someone uses one of those to kill and we ban those. But yeah, they would care a lot if we tried to ban something they value, use, etc. It’s a disrespect for other peoples’ values, and this under a guise of protecting society, children, unicorns, and fairies. Utopia!

Ayy, mostly wrong. The homicide rate in the U.K. is 1 per 100,000, in the U.S. it’s about 3.5 per 100,000.

Well that settles it, because it can be for no other reason than guns! lolol. Let’s see the methodology of those stats.

Never mind, re-read your comment. “A stupid guy with a knife”…so you mean an idiot wielding it around in the air? Yeah, agree, a gun is bad in that scenario. Which is why a public service announcement would be a good thing for everyone. Anti gun people would get some action, and the pro-gun people I know support smart/educated use. I can’t think of any issue both sides agree on more than that one.

Most gun owners are responsible and know it’s a beautiful right, so they’re not being idiots with their guns, and will actually call someone out or correct someone who is (we do this all the time at the range if someone is mishandling the gun). The range is shut down temporarily to “talk to” (i.e. “wtf are you doing?? this is how it’s done”) the person, and many times the person is kicked out entirely.