The 9pm start time is good for nobody. And if last week’s start time was any indicator, the Beavs are not collective night owls. Could explain the slow start.
Is it worth writing thoughts for this game? It would go something like “they need better line play” yada yada, and all these coach-talk cliches are getting old. Yeah, the lines have to play better. Great insight by me. I notice on Twitter there’s hardly any activity around the Beavs. Yikes.
The reason I’ll be watching is to see what errors Smith makes. It’s morbid curiosity, but it’s all I’ve got in terms of intrigue. The other reason would be to see if guys like Flemings and Colletto are removed, and if they are, how much better the team performs without them.
On the topic of entertainment with your free time, if you haven’t seen it, Queen’s Gambit on Netflix is worth watching (instead of the Beavs, even).
Season is pretty much done for the Beavs now.. bummer
All who were blocked by the spam wall have been approved, btw. Didn’t see those requests sorry.
I thought the defense looked Anderpants-era slow at times. Very confusing. Don’t the coaches know whether players are in shape or not? Not that there is anything they can do about it if there are playing the game with what they have.
I haven’t viewed the interview, yet, but scrolling past the still that is showing, Smith looks like a stoned Spicolli
Queens Gambit 10/10. Also if any of you like chess I play a bit on chess.com
I do play…email me. I was in chess club but forget almost everything. Last night after watching Queen’s Gambit I played two games vs the computer lol.
I’m in. Angry, you have my email address…
Good show, I don’t play chess but the show draws you in for sure.
Champ didn’t really have a bad game but like I said before he is not an every down pac 12 receiver. Colletto could’ve been made to look bad with that spread out system makes you have to make open field tackles. Overall nobody did good tackling wise. We had 2 guys with 4 tackles to lead the team that’s pretty sad.
I wouldn’t be completely ready to scrap the season. That offense is like nothing else they’ll face the rest of the season and it’s only the first game. If they can clean up special teams that would go a long ways. Bad snap, blocked punt, missed fg, and a punt caught inside the 5. Remember how much the team improved down the stretch of last season. I’m not going to say the sky is falling just yet.
You never know WSU could end up being a good team.
I had similar reasonable and rational thoughts, but it felt better to throw in the towel.
Did anybody pay attention to punt and kickoff return strategy?
I didn’t watch closely, but from memory it seemed like we continue to try returning both in situations where the fair catch would have netted better results. It’s not like we have a home run return threat, so I’m not sure why we keep doing that?
Can anybody confirm who was watching where the ball was actually fielded?
I had a net punt return average of 4.2 yards when I hit the sack. Kick return average of 19.7 yard line. It appears the hope is that the other team hits champ from behind and he flies 40+ yards.
Last year, Washington held the Beavs to 119 yards and shut out the offense. They obliterated the O-Line on every single play. Absolutely no reason to think this year will be any different.
Beavs don’t have a chance. 49-6 Dawgs
I tend to agree. No reason to think we will handle UW’s pass rush any better this year with a less experienced OL.
In retrospect, I think the program would be further along had they hired Jimmy Lake as HC. Not saying that Smith is a bad hire; we’re fortunate to have him. However, a team that generates a consistent pass rush and has an elite secondary is going to win more games than lose them.
Did we have a shot at hiring him? Don’t remember him ever coming up.
I know his name had been extensively mentioned. His $650K contract was up at the end of the 2017 season. Washington paid him $1.1 million to stay
Not using Jefferson early, not blitzing enough to get in the head of the QB, both serious flaws on the staff. The players though seemed flat from the start. The new guy at the GT has a point when he writes:
“Smith said he thought Oregon State did an “all right” job of creating its own energy on the sideline. The staff at Reser Stadium did its best to create a gameday environment, but cardboard cutout fans and haphazard chainsaw sound effects can only do so much for a team when it is getting bullied the way the Beavers did at times on Saturday…”
They should upgrade to an eco friendly and silent electric chainsaw.
What’s with the Champ hate ? He’s small but creates separation on his routes and catches anything thrown his way. He’s also a decent returner. Him beating out Tyjon and Irish is surprising but speaks to his skill set. He quietly had a solid season last year. There are many more issues about the 2 deep in D line imo. Garcia should play End. Rawls needs to play more than Hodgins and Bennet needs a long look.
He definitely doesn’t catch everything his way. He got most of his stats against cal poly last year. There are plenty of better options at returner he falls down if he’s barely touched. Why would Rawls play more than our most experienced DL?
Why Rawls? Because
You’ll never find
As long as you live
Someone who understands line play
Like he does
You know in his limited action, I did think Rawls played the best of the dline. That being said, the dline was terrible overall. Maybe he does need some more time.
I am interested in the fact I don’t remember shippen playing, who I think has the highest ceiling of the dlineman, he and the true freshman lolohea, but I am sure lolohea needs a little added weight.
@Bleedorange Champ was 2nd in catch rate per target last year after Zay. Play Rawls because other than Sandberg he’s the only d linemen capable of forcing any kind of havoc rate. The other guys are just gap cancelling plodders except for maybe Shippen.
I miss the days of 8-4 Bike Riley. The funny part is Nebraska also misses Riley considering Scott Frost is 9-17 as their head ball coach.
I think they miss the Big 8-12 more.
I am really hoping that a more traditional offense like the huskies, helps our defense. That run and shoot offense is tricky as it feels like a Mike leach offense, but also has the running threat more so. I am a big fan of it after seeing it played for the past 2 seasons. Tough to stop.
This is a big week. A blow out loss and the season is as good as over. If they manage a win this week, than things won’t be so gloom and doom. Would love to see it, while I expect a close loss. My prediction is 28-17 huskies
For the chess dudes here, there are 3 of us on chess.com.
I’m trying to figure out if there’s any way to start an AB group on this site. Not seeing it. Nuc or Ohio?
I’ll join the chess group. Haven’t played in years but I really enjoy it.
I used to play on an app with coworkers (Chess with Friends I think?) which was pretty nice. Kind of a different experience – a game could extend over days as there was no time limit. You’d just make a move whenever you had time throughout your day. Nice option for a boring meeting.
That’s what Nuc and I just did. 3 days to finish a game. At this point we can only add each other as friends, but maybe the other guys can chime in on whether we can create a group.
Do you have any account on there? If so add me: angrybeev
I don’t think they have a way to make a group but we could just make a discord group.
I’d be interested as well — but I expect most of you would be above my skill level.
We’re not that good, buddy. My username is above just add me and let’s play a game.
Yeah you can make it 14 days per player on chess.com. If it takes more than a month i think the game probably isn’t worth completing haha.
This thread in itself is a statement on the state of Oregon State Football – LOL. Chess is a more interesting topic.
Atleast I can fanboi people who win! Yall see Magnus Carlson in the speed chess tourney??
Beavs are Pawns in the realm of CFB, so it’s fitting…
Did I not say in here we should’ve picked up Magnus Carlsen instead of Smith?
Here’s the link to the Chess Beavs discord I just created:
https://discord.gg/myEyXT7W
Maybe we can start running mini-tournaments if we get enough members. That way we have something to generate bragging rights once COVID kills the football season.
I figure we can create rankings based on past coaches. Who’s the Erickson and who’s the Banker? Hope nobody earns a Langsdorf.
Holy crap, the game will start at 10:00 my time.
It’s an early game, you’re welcome.
I don’t recall a time when the Beavs won a game that was held at 9 AM.
Because you were shitfaced on coffee
You’re absolutely right
I thought it was 8 pm?
How are college kids expected to play THAT early?
It’s PM.
Stay up all night drinking?
Last game on the slate Saturday means lots of wagers on the game. Maybe the beavers catch a call or two in garbage time if they are close to covering the spread.
New guy at GT tweets that the depth chart for Huskies is same as it was for Cougs, except that Tago falls off at OLB.
He had been listed behind Gumbs, Hughes-Murray, and McCartan, now he’s not listed at all.
There a hit. He’s a good depth player.
Tago in transfer portal.
When you’re that deep at a position, something has to give.
Too bad we can’t move him to OL.
How do you not try tago instead of colletto st that spot???
Or anyone that can tackle and be in position to stop the run.
I just watched the ticker on ESPN, it was cancellation after cancellation for Saturday. This season may not finish.
If everyone was going to play, they should have started playing earlier, not later. Shifting everything even further into cold and flu season was a downright brain-dead idea.
or it extends the season like I predicted. It’s pretty clear nothing will stop the SEC or ACC from finishing their season.
Too bad PAC12 can’t take advantage and take the better TV timeslots.
SEC is down to something like 2 or 3 games that havent already been cancelled this week
UW keys to the game
1. Hope UW comes out flat. They will have a new QB and OC. No clues as to who is starting.
2. Get the ball to playmakers early. Run the ball and dink and dunk down the field.
3. Hold the ball as much as they can to keep the defense off the field.
4. Play something other than the super soft defense that they played vs WSU. More plays like the one blitz they got the sack on.
5. Pray to the football gods and ask for some of that good stuff that the Beavs in the pros got last week.
Completely agree. I think this is a game where the Beavs cannot afford to get into 3rd and 6 or longer, and will have to go when it’s 4th and 3 or shorter.
It looks like the Beavs have a conditioning problem, but since this is UW’s first game, they might have conditioning problems as well. Avoiding long drives on defense and giving up quick scores in short fields might be beneficial.
I was told by a players parent the conditioning has been virtually non existent at practice. The kid said his hs practices had more conditioning and intensity than the practices so far this year.
I would love to see the Beavs come out trying to pound the rock. I don’t know if they’ll be able to but I don’t think anyone here would be upset with that approach with this team. Mix in the high percentage passes and take a few shots downfield with some speed. It would be great to see some creative/gadget plays like Boise used to run.
“5. Pray…” change to #1…
Was reading that Cal’s entire DLine is under quarentine and will likely remain that way through this weekend’s game against ASU, so that game is on pace to be cancelled.
We are scheduled to play Cal next week at home.
https://twitter.com/BonaguraESPN/status/1326436689036734465?s=19
See we might win more games than u think.
Do they forfeit or is the game just not played?
It’s a no contest, not a forfeit.
Also, if anyone (like me) bet on the win total and if the Beavs don’t put it together- we could end up baled out by a single cancellation. All the bets that I saw void if 7 games aren’t played.
Lots of Beaver football games are no contests, so what’s changed?
Last season had me excited for what seemed to be an upward trend (for this season). Then I watched the game last Saturday, and WOW have the Beavs gone backwards! Very disappointing. We all knew that Rolovich was a new incoming coach to WSU, had a true frosh QB (now we know, he is talented and not shaken by the PAC 12 stage), with out their best player RB Borghi (sp) but now all of this stuff is coming to light about 32 players not even making the trip?! Holy shit that makes me sick! The first fact we all have to face is that this conference looks very bad! WSU is no world beater! Oregon isn’t as good as they think (Stanford missed 4 FGs) which as it stands if you just added back those points the score was 26-35 (although that would have probably changed with the made FGs), anyway… not good football! Nobody from this conference will nor should they get a sniff of a playoff!
Observations from our game:
*The Good: Jefferson is a stud! He brings his own blocker (unfortunately, he should not have to). The TEs are going to be very good if they get more targets! There is room for overall improvement but it will be a long road!
*They came out flat and uninspired from the get go! That is a huge coaching problem! The reason why is because it is their *the coaches job) to not only make sure the best players are on the field but they are ready in all phases (including mentality)!
*#2 was the second part of post above this, WTF is Jack Coletto (sp) doing on the field so much?! I love his story! The offensive personnel package worked the first two years but that won’t last either! But defensively, if he’s one of our best LBs, we need to forfeit lol! BTW where were guys like; Irish, Lindsey, Gould?
*The trenches were terrible! The OL looked overwhelmed by an undersized 4 man rush must of the game! I would love to hear from Coach M what Kipper’s grade was on the OL because he looked like he his foot were in cement blocks! D Line was obviously missing Bennett and the big dude who graduated last year (horrible motor but great size in the middle-name escapes me though). Skelton and Sandberg were very underwhelming! (I’m going to cover some poor techniques with DL below)
*The play calling was pedestrian and predictable on both sides!
* WTF is J Cookus doing, allowing our guys to field punts within the 5-10 yard line area? And…. someone brought this point up and they are correct, do our KO returners know that if they fair catch a ball that they get it at the 25?! But they’re fielding and trying to run it out from near or at the goal line! Stupid!!
*There is no excuse for the ridiculous go for 2 in that situation. That should never be defended! Nobody in America has that in their book for that situation!!
*I think Gebbia is way overrated! There is nothing special about him at all to me. Very pedestrian! He absolutely shit the bed (was very indecisive in the beginning of the game). Good QBs can’t take 2 quarters to warm-up and get on track! There’s a reason Riley got him to Nebraska. Now we’re seeing why!
OK- Scheme time
Defense:
*The #1 issue that will kill us this season is our 3 man front! The worst thing I saw from this group is the lack of Pass Rush Contain! What this means is, every pass rusher (who’s coached correctly- including blitzers) have a pass rush responsibility! The outside pass rusher must keep the QB on the inside shoulder and collapse from there. If the QB gets even a “half man” outside of the pass rusher’s outside shoulder (meaning if the QBs midliine of their body is directly in line with the pass rusher’s outside shoulder or more), pass rush contain has been lost! If you watch, first we are only rushing 3 to 4 on every play (rarely brought extra blitzers), that is harder to contain but you still need to maintain “your lane” as a pass rusher especially when they are twisting and stunting up inside (between the Offensive Tackles) pinning our pass rushers in a sea of humanity. What happens? QB breaks contain and usually runs (for big gains)! Horrible, horrible, horrible coaching! This should not be consistently happening!!
*#2, I love zone defense (gets 11 sets of eyes to the football, very sound when people are coached well in the scheme and their position techniques) but holy shit, man up (man to man coverage) and bring some extra pressures! You can’t let anyone sit back there on their spot and throw timing routes all day! Disrupting the timing and not letting the QB get comfortable is the number one way to have success rushing the passer.
Here’s also where zone defense has a huge weakness, playing too far off the receivers and not re-routing receivers (putting your hands on receivers to disrupt the timing of their routes). This is completely legal (especially within 5 yards off the LOS). The coverage was WAY too soft (gave too much cushion). I believe I remember a point where it was 3rd and 3 and our defenders were 10 yards off the receivers. This screams a couple of things to me; Tibesar is either clueless! And/or he has no faith in any of our DBs to match up… but you can run two man (2 safeties talking halves with man under) or Man-Free (Cover 1) high safety with man underneath! The scariest part about all of this is that, IMO, WSU probably didn’t even need to throw the football in that game. They were breaking tackles and ripping off huge gains, when they weren’t just running base plays for big gains! Scary shit people!!
Offense:
* On offense is that there was no horizontal stretch plays (Fly, Stretch-outside zone, not even much bubble or quick screen game). With a defense like WSU’s that was being aggressive and running as much man to man as they were, thought we’d see a few more shots down field as well!
*This was unbelievable to me: I think it was 14:42 in the second quarter, we were near midfield (or close) and WSU was pressing receivers (bump/run look), NO SAFETY and Champ Flemmings runs a comeback route! There’s an old rule as a receiver, when you are being “pressed” in coverage, that close with no Safety, you convert your route to a fade (fight through the defender’s press with a “swim” or “rip” move and get deep)! Instead, Gebbia throws a short comeback to Champ who has the defender drapped all over him! Nearly batted away/picked. Throw that ball deep on the outside shoulder where only your receiver can get to it!
Overall:
*Gebbia to me = slightly better version of D Garrettson!
* Year three for Smith should be heavily weighted on his team’s performance IMO. The pandemic does not excuse him! Can you imagine if the Beavs played the OSU Cowboys at the beginning of this season?! Yikes!
*I hate saying this but it is a fact! The main guys that Smith won with were mainly all Andersen recruits (Luton, Pierce, WR Hodgins, Bradford, Rashed, The big DT Aydon (made a good impact last season), Moore, Morris (injured often but contributed), Dunn, Taumelau, Hughes-Murray, Nous, Lavaka. I’m not saying G Andersen was a good coach. Just stating that these players did a lot for Smith and now, in his 3rd season at the helm, JS’s players should be taking shape and contributing! And it’s not looking great at this point! Especially in the trenches!
Sorry for the long post! If you are a current or former football coach, I’d be interested in chatting sometime? Be safe everyone!
Never say “sorry” for a long post when that post is on topic! Good stuff!
I’ve wondered, didn’t last years team show a “never give up attitude”? How that changed to lasts weeks flat approach to the start of the game bothers me………….same coaches, different personnel?
Except for it came out that they were running a lot of cover 3 against us. We ran mostly 2-4-5. The problem was the LBs not reading and reacting quickly and bringing down the ball carriers. This offense makes you tackle a lot in space which clearly we aren’t good at. The passing game really wasn’t what killed us, if they cut the rush yds in half they win the game. I’m assuming tibs thought they would tackle better. The front ran a ton of twists and stunts that were slow to develop.
IMO 3 things lost this game.
1. Special teams.
2. Poor tackling.
3. Too many mistakes on offense. Missed blocks, dropped passes, inaccurate throws.
Love this post. I was watching the WSU game with a friend of mine who is the head coach for our local HS team. He’s a WSU fan but I swear he wrote your post… all of the same points. Especially about D schemes, receivers and Gebbia. He talked about the Fleming play in real time. Funny how coaches see the game differently than average fan. We even joked about how Gebbia is similar to Garretson… great comparison. That said, he thinks Gebbia is good enough to succeed with the right game plan… get the ball out early, commit to run, play action to stretch field, little read option and fly sweeps. He’s not you pro style strong arm accurate passer. Also said OL wasn’t good but there were some key plays when he left pocket too early… there was 2 plays in particular he said would have been TDs with better QB/coaching… in fact he called them pre snap based on defensive set and how WSU was playing receivers. Both times the line gave him time but Gebbia didn’t recognize what he had and scrambled out of pocket with eyes looking at pass rush instead of down field.
Angry can you please email me? Thank you
I did.
OT. Rueck delivers again.
https://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/2020/11/oregon-state-beavers-womens-basketball-signs-2-5-star-prospects.html?outputType=amp
Without an airport….
New football commit. I dont habe time to write more at this time.
https://twitter.com/JakeParrella/status/1326733129843957760?s=19
I think he is a PWO commit.
https://247sports.com/college/oregon-state/Article/Oregon-State-football-2021-Jake-Parrella-Cleveland-Ohio-Nebraska-Husker-legacy-154627070/
Riley was a better recruiter for Oregon State when he was at Nebraska.
This is a walk on fool
It may have already been noted… game time Saturday has been moved to 8pm vs UW. Of course the quacks game (vs WSU) starts at 2pm…
Game was always scheduled for 8 pm
And he Oregon game starts at 4.. where are you getting your info?
ESPN. I read here that UW game time was 9pm.
I think 9pm was/is the time at angry’s place, Colorado.
Civil War (yup, I said it!) is now set for 4pm pacific and the Cal game is 12:30 pacific
at least the next 2 games after Washington we dont have to wait all day to finally watch
I thought I saw the Ducks-WSU game was scheduled for 4:00 pm?
This is pretty cool. You can choose the event size, and then the probability of covid being there populates on the map.
https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/
Pretty decent analysis by a Washington writer about the Beavs.
https://www.uwdawgpound.com/2020/11/11/21559625/washington-huskies-football-opponent-defense-preview-oregon-state-beavers-hamilcar-rashed
Good write-up. It’s one of the few which have pointed the use of a 2-4-5. You can’t stop run with that type of formation, especially when the 2 DL’s are 260 pounds. Tibs should stop playing that formation. It doesn’t work.
Barnes says there is 1 positive covid and 3 others in quarantine. He said it will be announced who later but it was not one position group. They plan on definitely playing Saturday.
Let me guess
Gebbia
Jefferson
Hamilcar
Speights
Haha. Probably.
Maybe it’ll be the punter and Smith goes for it on 4th down everytime.
Naw, Gebbia has shown he can fill in there.
Noticed the Vegas line remains unchanged at +13.5. Does Vegas know it’s 4 benchwarmers? Does Vegas care?
Well as suspected and for good reason washington isn’t worried too much about us. Hopefully they’re overlooking us and we can catch them off guard. It would be great if the Beavs came out with a chip on their shoulder. I expect them to load up on Jefferson and try to make Gebbia beat them. I expect to see a much better game defensively with a more base defense on the field. That’s a lot of hoping but we saw a lot better team last year down the stretch so here’s to hoping that happens.
Only 24 rushes last week. They were never down enough for that to happen especially with the way Jefferson was running.
I thought Jefferson looked gassed after every big run. Seemed like they ran some hurry ups after big runs then Jefferson got stuffed. But maybe that was just my perception sure don’t plan on rewatching or studying the game film. If anything I thought the team really failed to throw in some PA after the big runs. The play calling felt real predictable in that regard. Not that I blame Jefferson for being gassed after dragging a defender 20 yards but I am wondering if his burst isn’t more suited for a running back by committee approach and spelling him for a play or two after hard runs.
Ya I think Baylor only had one carry.
Not sure why we don’t put Horton in at FB and run more I-form
Anyone else having trouble getting their picks in for this weeks pick’em?
I can see the slate of games on the “view all picks” link, but when I go to “make picks” all I get is the dreaded message, “this pool uses custom spreads and they have not been submitted by the manager…”
For me it says the picks haven’t been submitted by the pool manager yet.
Sorry for the delay. Spreads wre set now
Samori Toure??
The “power of the brand” announcement of the road uniforms is absurd…huge nike symbol…Can it be about the school and the team?
Did you ever see the book that came out that Oregon is basically his brand’s bitch and model?
Beaver jerseys?
Beavs got their first Covid case.
Apparently three cases. And they aren’t releasing the names of those players. You called it Angry, this is just the start. Might get this game in but I wonder going forward.
Misread it. One positive three others quarantined. 4 total out Saturday and next week.
Given the explosion I don’t think we see a full season. I know I said that long ago and got challenged, but we’re on the precipice of that reality.
Mentioned it awhile ago up the thread.
Per Bruce Feldman:
“There is also some concern around the Pac-12 now about Saturday’s Oregon State-Washington game as well on the Beavers side. I’m told there is talk inside the Pac-12 about Cal possibly playing Washington on Sunday. This Sunday.”
Cal-ASU game cancelled
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30310366/arizona-state-cal-canceled-herm-edwards-players-test-positive-covid-19
Somebody on twitter pointed out to me the Pac12 picks werent available on the CBS Pac12 only pool.
I’ve updated it now. Thought that setting was automatic in CBS but turns out i need to select the games manually each week.
Wonder if this whole UW vs Cal thing will end up happening?
I think the game will go on. They let WSU travel with one positive and way more quarantined than OSU.
Names of positives should be released sometime tomorrow.
NB – any word on whether Beavs will pursue Samuel Toure – grad transfer from Montana? I’ve seen him play, and he is heads and shoulders above the FCS defenses he’s played against. FCS All-American I think. I believe he is on the taller side at 6’3” or so.
Oh my gosh he is over 6’0″ let’s get him..
I noticed Coach Yray started following him after his transfer announcement, but so did a ton of other college coaches. We may kick the tires but I doubt we’ll have any shot at bringing him in. Will keep an eye out though. Thx for the heads up
*Samori Toure* damn autocorrect
fwiw, there are some connections to beav players via team Lillard.
OF TOPIC: Angry I am just getting into investing and wanted to pick your brain as you seem pretty versed on this, and I am a complete novice.
I have been researching for the past year pretty extensively, but still feel like a novice big time.
A few things I am interested in putting some $ in are as follows- Alaska Airlines(best in the business, and I think 1-2 years from now will be right back to the $70 value- netting 50% or so: BP- again same category as I feel like its a matter of time until it goes back to pre corona virus costs. Costco- not a $ maker per say, but safe and has dividends.
I have a handful of other many pharmaceuticals I am planning to put some $ in, which I wont necessarily divulge here but think there are some with big time potential. What are your thoughts on those first few I had listed, and any other areas you think might be better?
I’m not into businesses that rely on government or are extremely cyclical and recession prone. Airlines fit all bills. But, they are low here, so maybe? I wouldn’t do it, but it’s the “black came up 20 times in a row so red must be next” line of thinking in roulette. My feeling is ultimately airlines get nationalized for all the reasons they’re getting pummeled. This is the same reason I don’t invest in gold miners. They are capital intensive and likely get nationalized at some point.
I like recession proof businesses. Costco is actually a good one for that. It’s maybe not entirely recession proof, but it’s close. I’d put Visa in that category. What most people don’t understand if V and MA don’t have any credit risk. The banks take that on. So they’re a tollbooth/middleman. It’s a great business. I’d much rather put money in Visa/MA/Square or even Costco than an airline.
BP meaning British petroleum? Not a terrible idea. But we are about to get off oil, and ESG investing is real, so you have to ask who will be the marginal buyer to drive it higher. Maybe put something like $100 in it as a flyer. I’d do something like that but not a big position.
Some of my favorite companies are too expensive to recommend right now. ISRG is maybe the most well run company ever, but it has to drop about 30% to be attractive. Put it on the watch list. FinTech stocks should be on your watchlist, including PayPal. Awful company, but they’re doing some big things with blockchain, etc. Needs to drop 20%. Teradyne is another fantastic company. Need to enter in the 70s on it, though. It was there a few weeks ago so might retest it.
Some other companies I like: CRM, SPLK, MTLS, ROKU, XLNX, ADSK, PRLB, CRSP, NSTG, TWLO, SQ, DOCU, ILMN, AVAV, COOP (cheap), NVEC, BBL (reasonable value), FPI, LAND, INVH (fairly valued), BPY, BLK, RKT.
I wouldn’t, and I’m not buying any of these here, but they are well run, good balance sheets, and mostly recession proof with growth to high growth ahead. C
Big tech like GOOG, AMZN, etc are all fine, too, though again overpriced in the short-term, so depends how long you want to hold them. GOOG likely a 6k stock in ten years. But probably retests high $1400s in the short-term. With things like that I just add them to my watchlist and wait for big drops, then average into them slowly. Never blow your load on one buy always go in slowly, even if it means buying partial shares.
I also think stocks might be in for a ride now to January, and even the first few months of Biden – he’s going to have a rough start with a lot to deal with.
Not investment advice just thoughts, opinions, etc.
I think if it looks like Biden has any shot at passing a tax bill people will sell at the end of the year to lock in gains at more favorable rates. Likely to be a bigger than usual end of year dip. I think GOOGL is a little overlooked compared to the other trillion dollar tech companies. I mean YouTube they bought for less than 2 billion, it is probably close to a quarter trillion on its own right now. They got their hands in so much stuff, maybe they fizzle out but they keep swinging for the fences in so much of what they do, not sure the details of the Fidelity-Google Space X deal but google owns close to 10 percent of Space X I believe, PE is pretty decent for a tech company. I’d love to hear some counterpoints though.
Well as I wrote above I think it’s a 6k stock in ten years, so I agree long-term, but I think it re-tests the 1400s. It used to be one of the cheaper tech stocks, I think because people view it as a black box they can’t understand, but lately it’s gotten bid up where it’s on par with others. With a 34 trailing p/e it’s not awful here. If someone is starting a position here the best thing is go in slowly.
No one asked my opinion, but air bus might be one to look into for air transport. Lithia has been really good and growing but you are buying it when it’s high.
@AB, maybe do an IPO for the blog so we can get in on the ground floor!!
I like Alaska too for traveling but man the airlines still sketch me out. A lot of travel especially for Alaska is business and I just don’t see all of that coming back even post vaccine. Not sure on the particulars of ALK but a lot of airlines aren’t actually worth much as their assets typically equate to about their liabilities (same with oil for that matter). ALK also just had a big pop so you missed that. I could see getting in then getting out if some good vaccine news is in the pipeline but I think there are much better ideas for growth if your plan is to hold for a decade. Airlines have traditionally been pretty poor investments. I’ve been thinking about getting more GOOGL. I’m no expert either though. Also been going big on clean energy funds. They are kind of valued in between traditional energy and tech companies. Already made a good bit on these in the election run up but personally I think it is the future no matter which political party has the power and if carbon tax legislation ever gets proposed they will see a big boost, my guess is 2026 but just a WAG.
As a novice don’t try to guess on stocks. Get in a mutual fund and diversify. Your biggest mistake has been waiting for a year. It is not the timing of the market but time in the market. Dollar-cost averaging is the way to go. I know these are cliches but asking a Beaver Blog for financial advice is asking for the poor house in retirement. Angry thinks he is a know it all but you really want to risk your retirement on someone who is cynical, negative, and has a melt-down on the sight at least once a year?
Oops, I’ll probably get banned for this.
Let’s compare results.
I don’t mean to brag, but how do you think I got that yacht BeeG is talking about all the time? :)
Pirating the high seas?
I am purely investing for more short term. I have retirement situation lined out pretty decently. My purchasing of stocks is more of a hope to turn a little $ on an annual basis rather than have it sit in a bank account.
I work in the construction industry and will say their is an ipo coming out ProCore, by far the best app ever for commercial construction. Instead of big ass blueprints they have this app that the foreman carry iPads and things are updated to the minute. It handles billings, rfi’s, asi’s, basically bringing construction to this day and age. And it’s very user friendly, anyone can navigate/operate. When that comes out in the next few weeks, I’m going to go in on that. Its a no brained from my personal experience in the industry.
Beyond that my wife is a pharmacist, so she is going to be very helpful/knowledgeable on that industry, and I will probably play some “safe cards” in the Costco, Walmart and I’m going to look into google for sure.
Appreciate everyone’s advise on this topic. Don’t mean to derail too much from the “big game” tomorrow, hoping the beavers play some defense and get after the qb a bit more damn it
I sell picks for golf and football for the Oregon lottery. You might have missed my big play on the Colts last night. Huge contrarian move on the spread, 70% of tickets on the Titans(public plays), yet the line moved 3 points the other way(sharps) That’s how to invest in the short term!
Made some good cash today on Masters matchups, and have a good ticket going to the weekend. Wager is, will DJ, Cantlay or Morikawa win…pay out is +425.
Disclaimer: My results may vary, and short term may mean this weekend!
The thing about index funds is you are buying the whole market and right now there is a lot of disruption and change. Lots of big companies with solid products and business plans that will thrive in the current conditions. Also lots of boat anchors that are slowly going to die. I’m by no means an anti index fund guy but I do think that not owning some of these individual stocks for solid companies with good revenue and even more potential for growth is a mistake. Guess a lot depends on the timeline, other investment goals and the amount you have to invest.
Agree. So much of the market is junk, and even in a bear market (I think ~60% of stocks are currently in a bear market). Why put that in your “diversified index fund” only to have them under perform. So many value traps/dying companies, too. By the time the real growth is added to something like the SPY it’s best growth rates are behind it.
Sounding a little more promising that OSU/UW will be played a sscheduled, and Cal may end up matching up with UCLA.
https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/1327346422900027392?s=19
Couple of questions:
*Did anyone see Nigel Burton on Talkin’Beavs last night?
He mad a statement of something along the lines, “I implore Coach Tibs to bring some more pressure”-something like that- (in reference to the game this Saturday at UW) talking about pressuring young QBs! Loved it! :)
*Does anyone think the Beavs will make through all the rest of the games without having any cancellations?
*For the hell of it, season record predictions (assuming all 7 games are played)? Any thoughts on how to rate Smith’s 3rd year (pandemic or not) in the program? Does he get a pass? Thoughts?
Be safe!
Go Beavs!
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BTW I know it’s unrelated to OS vs UW but Effin’ Go WSU, this weekend!!!!
Go Beavs!
Watch that WSU QB will be awful this weekend…
Luck o’ da……..
One game of deflating reality is all it took for me. New season-same old Beavers.
JS is quickly sliding in my view, so much for dreams of a big successful season. 0-6 is on the way. I may even pass on listening to this one or watching it.
Kinda with you hombre. I had a lot of confidence last week, and than literally dropped reality on me and now I am thinking, well if we play good it’s a good sign….
beavers football has been a tremendous toll on me, but I am the type of person that will never switch or change my team.
Therefor I am going to go against all my instincts and say Beavers win tomorrow. The defense will dominate a traditional offense and play like they should have last week.
That will really mess with beavers fans huh. Lose to wsu and bear uw. I think this team is a bit of the always sunny episode, when they claim “wildcard bitchs”.
Go Beavs
‘JS sliding’ I don’t know enough to comment but even I wondered, against WSU, why the defense played so far back. From the sliding years of Mike Riley, to horrible Gary Andersen, to the present, the theme has been ‘rebuilding.’ If you come to OSU, new coach, new staff, you’ll be part of a Beaver rise to prominence. It’s getting old and it occurs to me that top recruits are wary.
WA seems like a serious longshot but… I am curious to see what our defense looks like what a competent gameplan.
I might miss this game or at least part of it. I think I’m pulling a full day to try and finish a SAS on my truck. I’m pretty die hard and will watch every game I can and to the end even in blowouts. But I could be the bad luck guy. One of the only games I left early was the 27 point come back against cal with Garretson running in the winner. I live in maui and pac 12 was impossible to find then out here (still kind of is). Anyways left early because of that but don’t usually because anything can happen. Turns out to be tied for the biggest comeback in history. Anyone seen Celtic pride? Lol
Um.. OSU led the Cal game with Garretson at QB for most of that game.. are you refering to the Colorado game in 2018?.. where OSU was down 31-3 and came back to win
Oh ya my bad.
2016 Beavs win against Cal 47-44. Great game, Garretson played one of his better games for the Beavs.
I have a game thread scheduled to go live at 6:30. I picked da’ Beavs 42-28. :D
Not sure why, but I’m sticking with a slow start out of the gate yet still Pac North champs. Need to see another loss before I abandon that.
Love the optimism and it gives me hope because I know that’s not your baseline! But I’m having trouble seeing it.
I think the offense could come out of the gates a lot stronger- hopefully Gebbia has settled down and the line can start to gel a little more. I also think & hope that we can have a competent defensive gameplan- I do still think we have the talent to regularly pressure the QB.
But the sloppiness and dumb mistakes- poor tackling, drops, etc…very worried that that’s not a quick fix. And WA is sure to be a tough test. Hope I’m wrong!
I watched some of the replay from the WSU game this morning. Our OL gave almost zero protection. Gebbia was repeatedly flushed out of the pocket in no time and had to throw on the run. Doesn’t bode well for what should be a better UW pass rush.
Yeah, if they suck tonight I’ll get off that bandwagon. But I saw something that made me feel this way, so I’m sticking with it until we lose another game, and with it, all hope for the North.
We have to remember the 2006 team looked atrocious, and then vs WSU something clicked and they became dominant.
This game will be more of the same. Sub par execution, defense that is submissive, and offense too OK with 3 and outs and stalled drives.
Wheels could strat to fall off quick and will be a bad look for quality recruits of Oregon State doesn’t learn to show a ton of fight quick and develop a winning mentality. I’ll watch and am keen to see a good game with Oregon State sustaining drives and executing in the red zone, but I expect to be disappointed and clinging to slim hopes by halfway thru the 2nd quarter. Smith needs to own the results. This is all his coaching by Year 3. Showing fight from the start that OSU came to win is only way we have a chance. Have some energy and belief on the sidelines please.
Huskies 38, OSU 17
Do we know which players didnt make the trip due to Covid?
Won’t know till this afternoon, per Daschel.
A question for the fine folks @ AB.
If lock downs work why do we need another one?
Maybe because not being locked down for several months has caused huge spikes in cases at a time when hospitals can easily get overwhelmed? I don’t know, just guessing.
Business closures aren’t going to stop people from continuing to gather with others outside of their own household while taking little to no precautions, which is the real problem right now.
Why need another one?
As the supporters of communism always say, “…it’s the right idea, but just hasn’t been done the right way so far.”
I think if you look at the data and current situation we are in, a potential lockdown is pretty clear for anyone to see would help save a lot of lives…. I don’t think is debatable
But maybe somehow that’s wrong. Not sure how beyond “this is America and nobody tells me to not eat inside McDonald’s”.
If you look at the data at least in Marion county, the cases are mostly from the correctional facility, Nursing homes, residential care, and food processing. Why should that keep from going to the gym or a restaurant? She says essential
Workers only. Hair stylist are essential? Why do we need to limit the people going To churches when no cases have come from there? Why can Home Depot be open with isles stuffed full of goods making it impossible to be social distanced? Many head scratching decisions. Is a lock down a good idea? Who knows but the restrictions are being put in the wrong places imo. Just need to wait for the vaccines to start getting distributed.
All good questions,. Just dont see them ever being answered by those that make these decisions..
What I don’t understand is how or why COVID keeps getting into nursing homes? Are the employees a bunch of party animals outside of work? They have to be the ones exposing the residents. It’s not like the elderly are going anywhere except to the doctor. Seems like if that gap could be closed, deaths would decrease.
There’s been a few cases from churches and they were pretty significant – I know of one in Marion County, two in Coos County, and one in eastern Oregon.
On a slightly related note literally all these spikes are 2 weeks post holiday. Memorial Day wasn’t that bad but 4th of July, Labor Day and Halloween we’re clear spikes. Thanksgiving has potential to be a real bad bump. My folks are pretty loose about the Covid-19 rules but they decided on a very small thanksgiving this year. Plus my grandma is 85 with asthma, but she says she’d rather get Covid and die than not see her family for a year so we see her occasionally and are real cautious.
Y’all need to define what you mean by lockdown, it can and does mean a million things.
The current spike is because people keep commingling with friends/family in social settings without masks, social distancing, etc. It’s not being spread because someone went to McDonald’s and, gasp, ate inside.
So I personally am not a fan of the new dine-in restaurant ban, other than hopefully it will get people to think twice about socializing in close quarters with people outside their own household.
Not sure who y’all is. I agree that at times the lockdown stuff feels like doing something just cause doing nothing looks bad. I think it should be based on the reality of the situation and not just for the sake of doing something. I do like that there is a clear timeline on this one though, people are more likely to follow the rules and take a bit more personal responsibility if there is a clear end date. TBH I haven’t been doing that much different myself. Still been seeing friends and family though huge or even big gatherings were never really my thing, my hearing isn’t bad but background noise at parties makes it real hard for me to hear other people so a few beers in the patio with a few friends is more my jam anyway. From the beginning though I was saying these lockdowns whatever they be need to be things that people can stick to for like a year because this is going to drag on a while.
Just scanning college football games today and apparently, people cannot follow basic COVID guidelines. Coach after coach with masks down around their necks (pointless usage). Cameras showing some of the few fans in attendance with masks below their noises and not six feet apart. In general, many in our society take an “it’s not going to happen to me” approach. You can’t educate that mindset, so I guess politicians feel compelled to prevent access to some places to mitigate the spread.
I’ve noticed this, Mckalk. As Sean Doolittle said, “sports are the reward of a functioning society.”
Just a great sentiment.
It just amazes me. I’m seeing the same thing with BC/Notre Dame game. Are the league administrations powerless to do anything? My son’s club soccer returned, but under very strict guidelines. The players must wear masks and are removed from the game if there is a violation. No throws-in, all kicks. How can high school soccer be better run than college football?
I was watching some peewee football in the park, and nobody had any masks. I guess it’s going to take those people getting covid, dying, etc to make them act. A lot of people are responsible, but many aren’t. This is why we will get more lockdowns – because people can’t be responsible themselves. Then those same people will complain.
“ Coach after coach with masks down around their necks (pointless usage).”
Riddle me this. Why are coaches required to wear masks but players are not?
Was talking to some of my relatives from Melbourne Australia last night. They’re coming out of a lockdown period over the coming weeks. That country has pretty impressively low overall totals after their initial surge early on. Now they’re at a point where the whole area of Victoria and New South Wales has had zero community spread for over a week and Queensland has had an even longer streak. They’re also entering their warm weather season as we enter our winter.
Not saying I love the idea of a lockdown, but it has worked pretty well for the Aussies.
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-australia/australia-may-see-first-week-of-no-local-covid-19-transmissions-idUSL8N2I0041
Nice.
I don’t like lock downs at all, but it’s the natural result of people not wearing masks. I don’t get the “it’s my right to not wear a mask argument” because (a) you’ll get covid and (b) you’ll give someone else covid (your rights end where mine begin). They don’t seem to get that.
It’s their body and they can choose what they want to do. Pro choice on masks!
Lol. So convenient. I’ve never seen people more confused than the OANN Republicans. There are still valid points on the Right and there are good Republicans, but they ain’t it. Maybe Marxists are more confused, actually. It’s close.
maybe because it’s an island?
We’re a country with closed borders.
They had it and got rid of it. We went the other way. Dont think that was Canada and Mexico’s doing, but maybe i’m wrong
Closed borders? Lmao!
Taiwan also an island with great success against COVID.
Care to try again?
Not sure if this is the message he is trying to convey, but it almost sounds like Treshaun Harrison could play starting Dec 5th? Again, i’m jist reading between the lines. Could mean something totally different.
https://twitter.com/Treshaunn__/status/1327672098416848896?s=19
PHIL STEELE REPORT:
Oregon St was actually 7-1 SU and 8-0 ATS in this series from 2004-’11 but Washington is 8-0 SU and
6-2 ATS since. Last time here (‘18) was Oregon St’s road finale & it was Senior day in Seattle. The
Beavers were travelling for the 3rd time in 4 weeks, on the 2nd of B2B away games, & had the Civil
War on deck. OSU trailed 28-3 in the 1Q and lost 42-23 but were +33. Last year on a Friday night
Wash dominated with a 20-6 FD edge and 420-119 yd edge. UW led 10-0 at half with OSU having just
8 yds in the 2H but a 36 yd IR pulled them to 13-7 but with RB Ahmed rushed for 174 and his 60 yd
TD run with 2:34 left 3Q closed the scoring in a 19-7 road win (-10). UW is 5-6 ATS as a HF the last 3
years and has a new HC and just 4 starters back on offense. Oregon St has Jonathan Smith’s best
team yet and is 7-0 ATS their last 7 road games. Last week UW had their game postponed so this is
their opener. OSU’s first 3 drives totaled 0 FD and 2 yds and Wash St led 7-0 but OSU went 93/15 for
TD to tie then Wash St went 84/9 for TD :37 left to lead 14-7 H. WST open 3Q with 2 TD and FG on
first 3 drives 31-14. OSU got a TD with 2:39 left 31-18 but Wash st recover onside and got 44 yd TD
run by Harris to win 38-28.
WASHINGTON 24 OREGON STATE 14
POSITION BY POSITION EDGES:
WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State QB/WR vs Washington DB’s: WASH +1.42
Oregon State RB’s vs Washington LB’s: WASH +0.72
Oregon State OL vs Washington DL: WASH +1.12
WHEN WASHINGTON HAS THE BALL:
Washington QB/WR vs Oregon State DB’s: WASH +0.61
Washington RB’s vs Oregon State LB’s: ORST +0.97
Washington OL vs Oregon State DL: WASH +0.98
MISCELLANEOUS:
Special Teams: WASH +3.64
Kicking: WASH +0.10
Coaches: ORST +0.25
POSITIONAL EDGE: WASH +7.36
PROJECTED BOX SCORE (ORST-WASH) *numbers are skewed because Washington hasn’t played a game yet
Projected Rushing: 209-80
Projected Passing: 285-99
Projected Yardage Total: 495-180
Projected Final Score: 14-25
Experience Rankings: 99-122
Team Schedule Strength: 58-124
Las Vegas Line: Washington by 13.5
Las Vegas Total: 52.5 Points
+/- Ratings: Washington by 14.8
Game Grade: Oregon State by 92.1 (Washington hasn’t played)
Computer Yards: Oregon State 495-180
Computer Points: Washington 25-14
Love the optimism from everyone picking the Beavs! :)
I think the Husky trenches on both sides will be too much for the Beavs, unfortunately. Even if the Beavs learn from their mistakes against the Cougs and they: use more pressures against this young QB (and take care of their assignments), get more personnel in the game (especially at WR) and have better playcalling and execution… the Beavs would probably still end up on the short end (barring a loss of several key Husky players). Not to mention that the Beavs’ luck in Husky stadium has not been good (as we all know).
UW-31 Beavs-17 :(
Anyone know when the pregame radio starts?
Go Beavs!
I’m going with a 28-24 OSU win. Beavs clean up special team errors and sloppy offensive play. I think the LBs will play better against a more traditional offense that allows them to get to the QB. The question will be if the Beavs dline can hold up against the run for 4 quarters. Last week tibs was asking a lot from the insider linebackers trying to make one on one tackles. This week I expect to see more gang tackling at the LOS.
LOL! WA 48 OSU 17
Lol! Vegas has the point total at 52. You think Washington is going to score more than WSU? Lmao
Do we know who is playing QB for UW?
If he’s mobile and has large hands, I’m going 42-12 UW
(Beavs get 2 TDs but fail on both 2 pt conversions)
If he’s immobile and has small hands, Beavs win 24-14
(Beavs get 4 TDs but go for 2 each time, while leading, and fail to convert all 4 times)
No clue. Even the media doesn’t really have an idea. Might be multiple.
Since lockdowns have been introduced as a topic, for those in favor of lockdowns, please answer a couple of questions:
Are the lockdowns to flatten the curve now or is it a new reason?
Did the curve get flattened before?
Are we talking about spikes in deaths from the virus or spikes in hospitilizations, or spikes in positive test results, or simply confirmed cases?
Did the Bill of Rights get set aside for this virus? And when can we expect to have it reinstated?
Do you guys have any concern about freedom of assembly, equal protection, or government overstepping it bounds?
Is it ok for the government at any level to simply micromanage citizens for their own good?
Health and safety cannot be assured for anyone, by anyone, let alone by the government bureaucrats. Don’t give away your freedoms so easily.
Life will have risks, but viruses and sickness has and will continue to be part of life no matter the controls and assurances of the government to change it.
Ronald Reagan had a great quote: “The nine most terrifying words in the English language: “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.””
If you don’t want lock downs, wear a mask.
Your rights end when they interfere with my rights. Important fact lost on OANN people.
Nice dodge of any substantive answer. Even your answer is inconsistent, since the very places with mask mandates are now once again locking down. Masks simply aren’t a valid solution, but it looks like you care when you wear one. Apparently my rights now end where any 2-bit radical left governor thinks my rights should end, without any constitutional basis or actual scientific testing to prove masks work. Fauci the great has already mocked the idea of mask effectiveness against a virus.
OANN for the win.
Masks “don’t work” because you have OANN psychos mingling with the responsible people and breathing all over them because “it’s their right”. Just proves how disagreeable these people are, and the hypocrisy of rights.
Maybe you’re a visual learner?
https://i.imgur.com/EhfBgsd.jpg
Study math and particle sizes at all? Masks are like stopping a mosquito with chain link fence.
Some people like being peed on
So I don’t know what you’re wearing, but I wear N95s. They’re great. Surgeons use them, so I think they’re better than a mosquito net.
Angry is the king of non answer answer. Just spouting BS and then throwing out OANN or something else that has absolutely nothing to do with your post. Your questions are solid and legit. This virus is no different than a hard flu and it is doing what a virus does when it is introduced into the population- go through it. Masks don’t work because it is miniscule and the masks that most people wear do nothing. We have never killed off the cold and we never will. This may end being no different than that and always with us and never gone. Killing the economy and peoples livelihoods for something that over 99% of those infected live through is insanity. But it goes with the times.
Masks are for pussies.
Signed,
Nancy Pelosi, Gavin Newsome and Lori Lightfoot
Kind of a telling sign when someone in power is telling you to wear a mask and doesn’t even follow their own rules.
Dude. It’s a virus. That you have over a 99% chance of recovering from just fine.
I doubt it. My family has a history of strokes, so the blood clot complication likely reduces odds of survival greatly.
While I have always been a big mask proponent, even during the “masks don’t work! They might make it worse!” bullshit from Fauci and crew back in the early days, I think “your rights end when they interfere with my rights” is a dangerous argument for coronavirus. Where do you draw the line? Can I demand you wear a mask forever, since you might transmit flu – a viral disease that kills tens of thousands annually? Your rights end where mine begin, after all. But is not contracting a virus in passing from one human to another really a “right”? If so, it’s one we’ve never had in human history. If someone truly wants to stay as safe as possible from contagious disease, the right remains to have a voluntary self-lockdown. That’s more effective than any mask could ever be.
It’s pretty pathetic it’s come to any of this in the first place. Viruses are political now, what a world…
Think of it as an STD virus. Your right to fuck me with an HPV dick ends the second you know, suspect, or engage in behavior that might lead you to believe you have an HPV dick.
With corona, it’s slightly more vague, but the general idea is there. If you have been irresponsible, then you’re putting others at risk due to your own selfishness, just like above.
The courts have actually sided with this, and if you have AIDS and knowingly fuck someone you can be prosecuted. This is smart. Your right to fuck with an AIDs dick is not >>> than might constitutional right to life.
Not even remotely the same. And a weak ass argument.
Someone could have an illness, not know it and transmit it. There’s no intent to harm.
By your argument everyone SHOULD wear a condom during sex because they might have an STD and could transmit it unknowingly?
It’s the same thing as wearing a mask.
Scotty is right. If you’re skeered, you have every right to wear a mask, self lockdown, etc.
Nah. You’re selfish. Because you don’t like how a condom feels, you put everyone at risk.
“Intentional” is the key. Were you to know you were carrying coronavirus and went out and about infecting everyone, I would agree with your original argument. But we’re talking about people who are not known to have it, which is the vast majority of the population. They’re two completely different situations.
This is why we’ve seen those intentional “grocery store coughers” face legal issues while the average person does not (and should not). The big legal question might be “does not wearing a mask when you are not known to carry coronavirus constitute negligence during a pandemic?” You could make an argument either way, but I’d lean no. There are a lot of things that are not legally required that people should do anyway.
“Intentional” is the key. Were you to know you were carrying coronavirus and went out and about infecting everyone, I would agree with your original argument. But we’re talking about people who are not known to have it, which is the vast majority of the population. They’re two completely different situations.
I don’t know, man…if I went to a Trump rally I’d assume the odds I got it are 99%. But these people are walking around preaching how their rights are being trampled on. If I go to any event with a lot of people and didn’t wear a mask, I’d assume I have it. This map shows the odds of getting it are close to 1/3 at any modest event.
https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/
I heard of at least 7 people getting it at the Trump election day party. Whereas I haven’t heard of any Biden people getting it (maybe they have and I haven’t heard it)…but it highlights the point.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3722299
Scotty, what you’re missing from my statement is engage in behavior that might lead you to believe you have an HPV dick.
Say I fuck a prostitute but show no signs of HPV, nor do I get tested. I can argue, “hey, I didn’t know I had it!”, but the reality is I engaged in behavior that should allow a reasonable person to know they very well might have it. We live in a society. We have obligations to others. Yeah, I hate it, too. I’d love to plunder and fulfill all my base urges and carnal needs at the expense of others. But it’s a society.
If someone truly wants to stay as safe as possible from contagious disease, the right remains to have a voluntary self-lockdown. That’s more effective than any mask could ever be.
You could argue this. That if they’re in the minority they are the ones who should be making the sacrifice. That is somewhat fair, although it is un-empathetic and cold. Since the Constitution gives everyone the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it seems it’s trampling on that. But you will argue that you staying at home does the same. That’s why a good compromise is you go out, and you wear a mask. The big problem is Trumpers who refuse to do this not seeing their obsession with their own rights are trampling on others’ lives and rights. It’s selfish and shitty.
99.97% rate of survival…it isn’t the bubonic plague. Viruses are common and prevalent, the solution is always herd immunity and antibodies, which only happen when the population at large is exposed and survives to move on as we used to do on a regular basis without thought to how we endanger one another.
Any answers to the original questions regarding government over-reach?
This seems like a classic positive vs. negative rights issue. I thought you were libertarian, angry?
While I wouldn’t personally be pitching a fit over a mask mandate, the “one’s rights end where another’s rights begin” argument doesn’t apply as a justification for it on this one, IMO.
Weather looks to be rainy and possibly windy.
The under is a good bet tonight.
Who is having their own pre-game tailgate? We are here.
Who says lock-down can’t be a blast? Cheers to the more agreeable people out there.
Yuck, Ducks look good tonight. Time for the WSU to blow goats vs the Ducks after dismantling da Beavs.
WSU just responded with a nice drive. Oregon played soft defense like the Beavs. Rushing three most of the time.
Nice. The QB looked good, too. I think his dad was in our thread last week talking him up. Now I see why.
Not his dad. Just scout the Islands.
Was just kidding
Wait, why did they just go for two? Jonathan Smith hired as consultant?
Then they did a pooch kick. Got bailed out by an Oregon fumble and then the qb just marched them down the field for another score.
Did you see shoughs should have been int? Two guys had a chance at it. Wazzu doing what stanford didnt. Scoring touchdowns. Not missing field Goals. Let’s go cougs!!!
Ducks in trouble!
I’m following on gametracker but cant watch the game. Looks like the story is WSU causing turnovers?
Yes the telecaster was rambling about how Mario has created a dynasty, and next play qb fumbles.
Wazzu’s run defense is stout so far.
If WSU could convert with TDs on those TOs, this game would be over! A positive takeaway here, is that WSU is much better than I thought they were. Not great but in this current conference, they’re good. That de Laura (Frosh QB) is going to be a special collegiate QB as well!
Go Beavs!
Fire harbaugh at halftime?
Fire Smith, hire Harbaugh?
Washington State looks pretty good. Gives me some hope for the Beavs tonight.
WSU QB looks better vs the ducks than beavs
Cougs cougin it. Give up a 60 yard pass while in prevent D.
I’m impressed w/what this WSU staff has achieved. But yeah, you don’t let anyone behind you in that situation.
That last TD was not a TD and could be a game changer. Without a TD ducks might kick for 3 instead.
Its interesting to me that that coaches Walden, Doba, Price, Erickson, Leach, all made WSU relevant at least one season and at OSU? Erickson. That’s on the OSU AD.
I like the way they use the Run and Shoot, i think OSU could similarly benefit given their inability to consistently recruit O line talent and depth. If you can’t consistently block, run an offense where you spread it out and get rid of the ball quickly.
Pedo State 0-4!
That’s nice to see, but of course, Husker fans are going to act like they won a national championship.
Yeah but just shows how far they’ve fallen
Dogs 45-Beavs 14. Saw last week…Recent years when I watch the games—“fuck it’s third down, maybe we can stop them!” And then Lucy goes all Charlie Brown on me…
Wazzu left too many points on the table in the first half. It may bite them in the ass even though they played so much better than the Quacks.
WSU needs to run a route with a double move….roll out and do it. UO hasn’t seen a double move all night.
I dont get these targeting calls. Duck player hots WSU defenseless receiver helmet to helmet and it was a pretty hard hit too. They stop for review and decide ot’s not targeting. Similar to the WSU one that got overturned last week but much but replay was much more clear in this situation.
The problem is they try to assign intent: “Targeting.” Don’t worry about intent, call it helmet-to-helmet and remove subjectivity.
This is pretty cool.