What’s the logic on the latest 4th and 1 call?
If they kick the FG, they’re tied in the 4th quarter vs a team playing equally poor as they were. The Washington QB was awful. I’d take our chances with kicking the FG to tie, having Washington use the run game and scoring a TD, and then the Beavs probably getting one drive to tie the game (and go for two then, if you want to go for the win. That’s the time to do something aggressive).
If you don’t get it, or the refs screw you, you’re pretty much done. People think going for it on 4th is “aggressive” and “going for the win!”, but it’s also going for the loss. The Beavs are now 1-4 on these calls. Yet, it is “going for the win”? Seems delusional to me. I can play an aggressive move in chess, like e4, Bc4, Qf3, Qf7 to attempt mate in four moves, but it only works versus poor players. Smith is like an amateur chess player randomly swapping pieces with no real plan.
Smith is confirming to me what I have suspected since the Nevada loss: that he’s an impatient, degenerate gambler. I was bullish on the hire, and he’s pretty good at most things, but he’s too much of an in-game liability to continue this experiment. I’m one step from saying fire the guy, but I feel that’s coming soon. Smith needs to look in the mirror starting 2 years ago, and he has to admit his gambles aren’t working and learn from the mistakes. This is how anyone in any field progresses.
The real problem with being aggressive that early in the game is there are too many “choose your own adventures” – too many variables and permutations. Late in the game, if you play it straight until then, the variables reduce to just a few, and you know the real probabilities of the move. This again is a lot like chess.
Regarding Gebbia: I think he will be a good player at some point (he showed this vs Oregon and WSU), but he’s clearly got something wrong right now, and it appears mental. He has happy feet and is generally way too fidgety in the pocket. Maybe he got blindsided in Fall camp or something, and now he’s got PTSD. I’m not sure. But I’m totally fine moving on from him for now, let him work that out in practice, and let’s see what Nolan can do. Nolan’s film was good and he can run a bit better, so it might fit with this poor offensive line more than Gebbia.
to start with, you are presuming a field goal attempt would be good. given the arc of beaver football history, there’s no reason to take that as a given.
There’s no reason at this point to think Hayes would miss that. He’s like 2-4 in his career, and I think all of those were 50 yard attempts? Can’t make decisions on some imaginary boogeyman like a missed kick when there’s no evidence of that.
That would make some sense with our prior kicker.
the worst in kicking can happen. I was in Baton Rouge in 2003. There was no guarantee a kick would have been good. The Huskies missed one earlier from about the same distance. For that matter, there was no guarantee that if OSU converted on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 that the Beavs would have scored at TD
That’s some dark thinking expecting a kicker to miss that.
I’m a Beaver fan. That comes with the territory.
Jefferson had great success running through the Dawgs interior defensive line pretty much all game. I have absolutely no problem with him going for it on 4th and 1 on the road when you’ve got a horse like Jefferson. If the refs make the right spot on both plays, it’s first and goal for the Beavs. I don’t know if the Beavers would have won had they scored a TD, but taking the opportunity out of their hands by poor officiating on the spots certainly put the Beavers behind the 8-ball. IMO, WSU is a much better team than WA but by seasons end, that could change. WA first game of the season under the current circumstances was bad. The thing that surprised me the most was the success OSU had running the ball. WA’s defense was supposed to be better than last year’s according to the experts.
Beavers defense is just awful again although I did see some glimpses of improved tackling and swarming around the ball but those were the exceptions not the rule.
second, let’s say the FG there is good. Tie game. As the subsequent series of events proved, and with even worse field position than a 25 yard line starting point after the FG kick would have yielded, UW had no difficulty moving down the field into scoring position. And remember, that closing drive vs. OSU came with the game still in doubt; that is, UW with incentive to drive; OSU with incentive to stop. The only reason that last Husky drive ended in a field goal is that by its end Lake was more interested in burning clock, not scoring. In your game tying FG hypothetical, I see UW going up 27-24, and more likely 31-24.
OSU’s last drive is also probative. What makes you think, watching the real end sequence, that Gebbia will both move the team down the field to bring it to 31-30, or on top of that, make the two point conversion? I answer: nothing would make you think that was probable, for all the reasons you cite; a fidgety QB who passes on running for a first down with an open field in front of him, and doinking his last pass of his lineman’s helmet.
Say we kick the FG. 24-24. Washington likely gets a TD. There’s probably enough time for the Beavs to try to tie the game, and potentially win it by going for two (this would make sense to avoid OT on the road, etc). You’re making all kinds of logical errors. You can’t use hindsight to say what would have happened at 24-24. Totally different play calls and personnel for both teams with that score. Wouldn’t be the same game. This is exactly my point in the main post when discussing the big problem with aggressive moves early in the game is too many variables and permutations. There is a point as a program you can do this. E.g. the Ducks under Chip did it to break the opponents will early. It worked because they put in the work to get the program to that point. We’re not close to that. With the Beavs it’s more a hail mary/desperation gamble, and that’s what makes it so bad.
You know what it feels like? Like we’re trying to skip a step in the rebuild process…
You can be assertive when you have consistently better players than the opponent. The Beavers don’t and I’m not sure they ever really will, so be conservative-smart until you are forced to gamble.
Exactly ^^^^
“You can’t use hindsight to say what would have happened at 24-24.” AS the saying goes, hindsight is 20-20. My position is no more or less logical than yours wherein you invent an effective Gebbia at 31-24; yet the same guy is entirely ineffective at 27-21. Tell me what’s “logical” about that?
Because at 31-24 with a lot of time on the clock you can run the ball and take Gebbia out of the equation, as it was going all night. I’m not assuming the game would go the same as you are, but I am assuming general trends like the Beavs running could stay intact. I think that’s fair. I like our odds of winning that game running the ball from a 24-24 tie, and subsequent 31-24 deficit, better than the odds of going for it on 4th. I wrote “Kick the FG” before the call, so this isn’t Monday morning QB or anything. It’s just the smart way to play that. The reckless way to play it is what Smith did. I get why: he wants to skip the painful steps of a rebuild. Gary Andersen tried to do this by making Seth Collins a QB. Shortcuts don’t work at this level.
what makes you think there’s a lot more time left at 31-24? I would argue there would be less time. If the game is tied at 24-24 UW has more incentive to milk more clock and to get a touchdown besides. UW 27- OSU 24 is more precarious than 31-24. AT 27-24 Lake is not going to want let a big return by Flemings to mid field and a luck completion by Gebbia in the last minute put them in FG position for a tie.
you did write FG in advance of the events, but let’s remember, we’re only having a discussion now because of referee incompetence. By all accounts, the Beavs converted. You’re just using that unfortunate sequence of events to bolster a larger hypothesis about aggressiveness. That’s your right. But I have the equal right to say Smith made the right call by going for it on 4th, for the very reason of the incompetence evident on the succeeding Beav possession
Another point of discussion has to be how we fix the PAC-12 ref problem. Pay people more? Fired for x number of bad calls? Clearly neither the incentive structure nor punishments are enough as-is. This doesn’t sound good:
https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/1328018276228550657
I gave a snarky response to it: https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/1328023155781165057
Here’s the story. Only the minimum six cameras were in use. No cart camera which goes up and down the sideline and can give a definitive view on spotting the ball (no pylon camera either). P-12 after dark was done on the cheap.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/john_canzano/2020/11/canzano-bad-spot-now-puts-the-pac-12-in-a-sad-spot.html
Also, it looked like Grant was in easily on the blocked punt, but I thought it was weird at the time that there were no replays or a review. Now, I know it was because there was no pylon camera in use. Only six out of possible twelve cameras were in use last night.
That excuse would make sense if the spot was close but in this case you could see he made the line even with a bad angle.
Apparently not the referees and unfortunately they are the only ones that count.
Ha. I see what you did there. Hey, I say anyone can take whatever to the courts all they want, as long as it’s not a malicious prosecution scenario, to harass, or just try to outlast the opposition in legal fees. If you have no case, you waste your time and money, get laughed out, and it’s on official legal record for everyone to know. I’d call that a good thing.
I could be wrong, but I’m assuming the probabilities are about the same for making a 22-yard field goal or converting on less than 4th and 1? Do coaching staffs even think like that? How much consideration do you give for having not made it on third down? I see some teams do the fake to the RB on 4th and have the QB roll out, they either run or the TE is wide open. The defense can’t usually sell out to the run and cover the outside also. If your gambler’s mentality is to go for the lead then show some creativity with the play otherwise kick the field goal, tie the game and see what the final 9 minutes brings.
Yes
It wasn’t even 4th and 1. It was 4th and like, 6 inches. From recollection, Washington didn’t have anyone line up over the center on 3rd or 4th down, so the Beavs should have just sneaked it. Smith deserves criticism for the poor playcall and for not challenging the spot, but going for it was the right call.
Another consideration is that by getting a conversion, they could buy their defense another 5 minutes in real time to recover and regroup.
Yup, the sneak was there for the taking.
Which brings up another point, why wasn’t Colletto in on those plays?
“Another consideration is that by getting a conversion, they could buy their defense another 5 minutes in real time to recover and regroup.”
Good point. Not the primary factor there, but still a good point. NOTE that, in the end, the Beavs D was on the field for 37 minutes.
And, yeah, schitzo-rodent is correct, again, the sneak was there for the taking.
Also complete agree with Gebbia. I think he can be a great QB, but he looks rattled. He throws a nice ball, doesn’t turn it over much, but I believe the jitters are making him miss easy throws.
Beavs need someone who is willing to scramble for 5-10 yards consistently, and I think Nolan can do that.
“I think he can be a great QB?” I don’t think he provides great leadership and his skill set certainly doesn’t cause fear in the opponent. He hasn’t thrown the ball deep one time in two games that I can remember. Apparently, the staff doesn’t think he has a deep threat arm or they’d let him do it. I think he might get better with more experience but “great,” that’s a huge leap of faith IMO.
Those spots on third and fourth down were bad, but my old man always says “dont leave it up to the officials.”
I’m still curious why Ham is dropping back in pass coverage and not getting after the qb. Tibs needs to let him pin his ears back and get in the backfield.
Also, why is Munyagi getting playing time at receiver. I had to look him up on the roster, dont even remember the beavs signing him.
Defense is gonna improve as the season goes on. Offense is gonna be in trouble leaning on JJ too much, gotta get the qb situation figured out. (Why cant we just do 5 yard out, hitch, or quick slants? Get the ball out quick, let Gebbia build some confidence.)
Munyagi is a walk on. I noticed him playing also. I believe he is in on blocking packages, either run game or blocking for other receivers. He is one of our biggest receivers.
There is positive and negative to using him. The opposition can focus on covering others more, but when you have a good walk on blocking receiver it can be good to use him.
Gebbia wasn’t making those easy throws and if you throw high on a slant you give the ball away.
Smith’s failure at qb is the most disturbing trend.
Yes, OJ, this is what we should be talking about, not 4th down play calling. Gebbia has the look of a bust at present.
Qb is the most important player on the offense, Smith was a qb, Smith hasn’t brought in a top prospect who can beat out gebbia…you’re all complaining about the paint on a house with a bad foundation.
well said.
I agree with the “paint on the house” statement to an extent but I don’t know about anyone else, but I’ve never seen Chance Nolan or any of the other current backups in a game yet?! Has anyone else? If not, we can’t completely say there isn’t a prospect that “can beat out Gebbia” in terms of performance in a game. As far as Gebbia winning the job in Fall Camp, that statement would be correct though. I’m looking at this from the perspective of game performance.
Trying to remember (was it JJ Young who went down) when the tiny walk-on Jonathon Smith came in hung some big numbers on the Huskies? Did anyone see that comin’? Sometimes guys are just gamers! I hate admitting that but as a coach but it’s true, I’ve seen it first hand.
Go Beavs!
I’m not saying Nolan is, or is not, the answer. I’m pointing out that SMITH doesn’t have anyone that HE can point to that IS the answer. He is in charge of recruiting and evaluating qb play, and somehow doesn’t recognize how bad that position is and/or can’t get a player that is suitable. After 3 years.
With *competent* qb play, beavs win last night.
Hopefully there is a ‘Smith’ type/under dog player buried on the current roster, or Gebbia gets over his shell shock. Otherwise, this team is already done for the year.
Even Luton an NFL qb struggled against Washington. As have mamy NFL caliber quarterbacks, lately. I am unsure Gebbia was the issue versus the defense was the good at this time.
Smith is not HC material. Tried to tell you 3 years ago
Possible response to the bad call. You know how those players walked off the field and left the game when supposedly they heard a slur in soccer. Sometimes a bad call back to back by same ref is so egregious maybe you need to consider that option. Tell the Pac-12 Oregon State has had enough.
Maybe in the next game they start it with a penalty with their hands covering their eyes to symbolize the blind refereeing. Smith needed to raise much more displeasure at the poor calls and that 4th and 1 was good by atleast half a yard.
Sometimes you gotta stand up for yourself.
That’s an interesting take, but the players and staff didn’t bubble themselves and work all off season (and most of their lives) just to storm off over a couple of TERRIBLE Pac ref calls. There could also be fines for the school if they refuse to finish the game, but I’m not sure. This is one you fight off the field.
Good point, scotty (and welcome back to you).
The HC or AD are the ones best to react to this crap. Team has to put energy into getting better at the game and not spending time rehearsing or thinking about some publicity stunt.
I like it.
Or they can really cause a storm by taking 15-20 delay of game penalties to start the game.
Gotta agree…..Smith should have been going absolutely crazy about the first bad spot and then should have lost his shit on the second bad spot. That was as bad of spots as I’ve ever seen in a football game and back to back nonetheless.
You make great points Angry and I would have been ok with kicking a fg. However, I’m a little old school and I believe in a 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 that if you can’t get one yard, you don’t deserve to win the game. We were really jobbed on both spots especially 3rd down. We were running the ball VERY successfully that I wouldn’t hesitate to go for it especially that it’s less than one yard. We were successful both times. However, I do wish we would have ran a QB sneak on the 4th and less than a yard.
I do agree with on Angry onGebbia. I still have hope for him, but something doesn’t seem right with him, I hope he does figure it out soon, and I am open to a QB change. I like Smith but I’ve been questioning is personnel decisions, especially secondary and I think Evan Bennett needs to start immediately. Would love to see more Jesiah Irish at WR and where is Hardge and Julian at Safety?
I believe Hardge opted out.
Luton 6-13 for 38 yards and an INT at the half. Must have trained with Gebbia this week.
Is it a fair assessment to say Gebbia has played well 25% of the time so far this season? Two out of the eight quarters. That’s not going to get it done long term.
I’m listening to that game. Luton is actually playing as well as Rodgers today. Go figure.
Did you think Luton was good?
at the point I wrote that, Luton was doing okay. He kept them in the game until the end, which is about as much as you can hope for as a QB on a 1-6 team. He got the Jags into plus territory near the end and the Packer announcers were really nervous. He then took a couple sacks and that was that.
A quick look at the stats not only shows the Beavs D was on the field for 37 minutes but that UW only converted 8 of 16 third downs. Felt like more, that’s what a couple conversions by over 15 yds will do, I suppose.
Average per rush: 4.9yds, per pass attempt: 3.5
Rush:Pass plays………….34:24
Smith as a fighter: For those who aren’t Casey fans I’ll mention that Rueck is another example of a coach who is both a teacher and moral leader and whose willingness to fight for his team cannot be questioned. That little gentleman doesn’t hesitate to take a “T” or even get fined for speaking out when his team is treated unfairly.
Smith’s not gonna become Casey or Rueck at this stage of his life; maybe he needs to unleash Bray or Blue?
I hate to say it, but when the cameras panned to Smith after the supposed Husky stop, the two words that came to my mind were “Mike Riley”. What I would call a “frozen befuddlement” on the sideline.
When I watched the game I saw him discussing with the ref about the call. I get it though, in sports about standing up for your team and making a scene. But sometimes it’s nice to see some control, some of those coaches just lose it on the sideline and for “leading” kids/young adults it sure doesn’t show well. I’m thinking Stoops from Arizona as an example. You can make a point without stomping your feet or throwing your headset like a toddler or trying to give someone a death glare.
I saw that.
I think looking back the beavers had been running the ball well on short down gains. And in fact they did get it, so it was the right call.
Smith chooses to go for the field goal and they miss or even make it and then end up losing, people would be even more up in arms for Smith “playing like Riley and just playing not to lose”.
Also, even if they made the field goal, the huskies would more than likely have driven down for a score (I.e. see what did happen in real life), the beavers would have been in the same spot to have to drive down on the last drive. So just from pure logical sense, going for it on 4th and inches make sense. You either get it and take the lead, or if not, either way you have to have the final drive to win. So just go for it.
Don’t think this has anything to do with the play call. Making much about nothing in hindsight. That instance was all about the refs.
I realize we’re all pretty biased but can anyone think of a time the Beavers benefitted from a really bad call that was a pivotal moment in a game. I can recall a few bad calls in blowouts the Beavers got but can’t really think of a time we really stole one. Life of a beaver fan.
I may have the details wrong, but I think it was 2003 when the Beavs gave Boise St it’s only loss of the season 26-24. Derek Andersen did an awkward QB sneak to ice the game and sort of jumped in the air to extend the ball while the Bronco defenders pushed him back. I know the Boise fans did not think he made the first down. It looked questionable.
Cal loses bad to ucla. New qb next week and maybe we can get the first win of the season??! I’m
Not addressing the bad spot calls anymore because no matter what, the program can’t go on with a qb of gebbia’s caliber unless it wants to remain a bottom dweller.
This is off-topic but did anyone see the Cal-UCLA score? Wow! Cal got curb stomped! So there’s that :). UCLA is terrible. Assuming no cancellations or screwy stuff, Beavs do have a real good chance to hopefully destroy them (Cal).
Is it really valid when a Beav fan calls another team “terrible”? I mean really
Its sad when a duck fan tries to troll a beaver sports board. I mean really?
You’re about as knowledgeable as a fan as your coach is a coach. Not saying much Priscilla
Beavs suffering from lack of out of conference warm up games before conference play started. Maybe he would have been able to identify the weaknesses in personnel in actual game play.
Here’s to hoping something changes before we go 0-5 or 0-6
Yeah, I miss the days of going 1-2 in non-conference, giving some school its first D1 or PAC victory….
Beavs need to take their frustration out on Cal next week. Based on what I saw with Cal-UCLA, Gebbia should be given the start, but on a short leash.
I think Gebbia can turn it around next game. He’s played Oregon and Washington in his first three starts, so there’s that, as well.
He was terrible against the Ducks. Unless you count throwing balls in the turf 10 yards in front the receiver good?
He was 26-40 and 250+ yards, yeah so terrible. And played better then Hubert.
Poor delusional beaver fan. Hebert’s going to get NFL rookie of the year. Suck on that
No. He got beat this weekend by the guy who’s going to win rookie of the year. Tua actually wins games unlike Hubert.
Poor delusional duck fan.
Herbert’s 6x Rookie of the week and mid-season front runner disagrees
https://www.newsbreak.com/arizona/glendale/news/2103027338628/miami-dolphins-quarterback-tua-tagovailoa-snubbed-for-rookie-of-the-week-award
Washington D wasn’t playing well. I absolutely don’t buy the “Washington is good” excuse. There were wide open WRs and rushing lanes that he simply couldn’t execute. Accuracy was awful. Even his completions were almost always behind the target. 100% this was about him playing bad, not about WA playing well.
Our run game was clicking and we didn’t need much at QB to keep things rolling. Gebbia missed the easy stuff though, again and again.
I feel like the bar is extremely low. Let’s see Nolan, or even Moore. The “clutch, elevates the offense” camp reports sound pretty great.
Another off-topic: Has anyone heard about Addison Gumbs? Is he injured again? Haven’t heard anything myself.
Go Beavs!
Storyline from last night: 2 tackles for loss. Both by guys that should play a lot more (Rawls and Bennet). Sandberg -0 tackles but two pass deflections. The d line is/will be a huge weakness if Tibs doesn’t make changes.
Prior to the season’s start, I thought the OSU coaching continuity would be an advantage with the other changes in the PAC. Yet Smith has lost to a new WSU coach with a FR QB, and a new UW coach, though Granted UW Coach Lake maintains continuity from Peterson. This being the third year for Smith and his staff, I thought they’d be ready and play with focus and energy in a system everyone should understand, they’re supposed to be ascending. But that is not how they’ve played so far.
I hope Smith doesn’t bring Riley in for some sort of “Offensive Consultant” role.
I do hope Smith brings in Coach Peterson for a consulting role. Matter of fact, I would chip in $500 to buy out Coach Smith if they can get Coach Peterson to come out of retirement and coach at OSU.
Can we come up with a good nickname for Smith other than 9?
OT – Poyer with another INT:
https://www.nfl.com/games/bills-at-cardinals-2020-reg-10
Josh Allen has become a surprisingly good NFL QB.
Then Murray pulls a Doug Flutie (anybody remember him?) and throws a hail mary TD to Hopkins, with Poyer of one three guys around Hopkins. Poyer came in just a bit too late and didn’t leap high enough.
Crazy catch.
Some things never change
1) Beavs think the refs always screw them
2) Beavs still don’t have a coach
3) Beavs still don’t have a QB
4) Beavs still suck
Oh man, you got us, well done.
Truth hurts. I know
As someone that agreed with the 4th down call at WSU last year, I disagree with this one. Take the points to tie the game, then let the chips fall.
Not impressed at all with Gebbia. Also not really impressed with the guys he’s throwing to.
Wow, did you see the statement from the Pac 12?
https://footballscoop.com/news/pac-12-stands-by-ruling-in-oregon-state-washington-game/
https://pac-12.com/article/2020/11/15/pac-12-statement-regarding-ruling-field-fourth-quarter-oregon-state-washington
So basically in the conference’s eyes, all is good, nothing to see here!
I love how they only talk about the replay review, when the main problem isn’t replay not overturning it – the problem is that two such horrible spots were made to begin with! I’d say it’s unbelievable, but it’s really not at this point…
Wow… just wow
Would you expect them to say anything else? The problem is Larry the Loser drove the Pac-12 Network into the ground unlike any other conference and they don’t have enough cameras, someone manning the booth in real-time and the Pac-12 has no money to run the conference except for his salary, fancy office, and lavish perks.
Is this team lacking in leadership, on the field? Tough for Gebbia to lead when he can’t complete a pass. Does there appear to be anyone on O and D that is providing a leadership role?
The WRs and pass blocking are both pretty awful. I don’t know why they don’t give Lindsey a shot. He was a 4-star WR and looked great at times (sans the drops)
Lindsey had a nice catch when he was in there. Could be a security blanket for Gebbia. Leadership is a concern. That was brought up before the wazzu game. The ultimate leaders should be Gebbia, starting qb and a a captain but I’m not seeing it.
Two bad spots in a row probably cost us a win. But what really cost us a win was poor catching, poor throws, and poor defensive line work. Musgrave dropped 2 catch-able balls. Our defense got torched a number of times by Washington’s running backs (saw it in WSU game and here too – so sick of seeing that). I’m okay with going for it on forth down and inches at the goal line because even if you don’t get it you have them pinned. But the refs screwed us twice and then our defense allows a 10 yard run right up the middle right away after the ref’s two bad calls.
BTW, even Duck fans should be upset about the Refs calls against the Beavs. Why? Because the same crew can be officiating their next game. Bad Pac-12 Refs effect not just the Beavs, even though it feels like it, but every PAC team. The universities need to unite with at least 2 goals to accomplish. Remove Larry Scott and get better TV deals and times, and remove bad Refs from the PAC-12.
Thing is there are a lot of bad calls but the majority favor the better team. More undefeated teams and more ranked teams help the bottom line. Though I think the bad calls Saturday stem more from a Vegas style fix. An outright OSU win would have been costly for the books.
If biased media like the Oregonian and espn would stop making it seem like the ducks get better recruits and win more people would be able to see just how level the playing field is. Coach Smith’s guys will run through a brick wall and see what sticks! His tribe will not be sold in stores or bought by boosters. Money talks!
What a ridiculous comment. They do get better recruits because they win. Quit whining. Your team sucks and it has for decades. What did you expect. Level playing field my ass. Lol
They get better recruits because of Uncle Phils money. Before his money the ducks were average at best.
Best team money can buy. Most duck fans don’t even argue that.
They were winning with Bellotti before Phil’s money. That’s a fact
Hey BeeG: who should we be rooting for tonight? On paper it would seem to be the Vikings since they have the worse record but I’m thinking Bears so that the Pack doesn’t run the risk of facing the Vikes in the playoffs .
Viqueens. They won’t make the playoffs.
They ran the ball pretty well tonight. If they win the next three games against inferior competition, they have a shot at the 7th seed.
Baseball signees are in. Got some pretty good ones. This is a good class if the top guys come. That will open a 3 year window for a title.
Missing Malakhi Knight so that’s concerning.
With MLB reducing the size of the minor leagues, should expect more guys to attend college. Saw rumors that the MLB draft may go to 20 rounds permanently in the future.
Nice to see the top prospect in the state choose the Beavs.
4 RHP and 1 LHP, by my count.
https://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/baseball/osu-baseball-beavers-sign-10-players/article_5d0ae82f-85ef-5018-bf07-34e2b4c5032b.html
Very concerning Smiths comments about Gebbia saying his confidence in Gebbia hasn’t waivered. How about we will evaluate all positions during practice this week. The D-line, the receivers, and the qb. How can he be stubborn and think no one else might be able to throw for more yards than 86. On top of that, 2 fumbles and the int that could have happened earlier in the game. If Nolan isn’t good then move and try Gulbranson. This offense needs an accurate pure passer. Scrambling here and there is fine. Gebbia isn’t feeling the pressure and taking off.
Coach speak. Maybe true, maybe not. He has to project confidence and support for his players. Calling it like it is may not be in the team’s best interest. Didn’t help Anderson much.
Its hard to bench a team captain.
Not if he is wearing his big boy pants and is a war daddy.
I’m not too concerned about Smith’s decision making this year or Gebbia. The team’s biggest issues are in the trenches.
Most of my reasoning is that this wasn’t going to be a season where they contended. A .500 record would be a success due to the defense still being bad. I think Smith goes for it because he doesn’t have much faith in the defense. If you thought the defense was going to be good or better this year, you were wrong.
Gebbia’s issues seem to really stem from the oline play. They are really struggling in pass pro and Gebbia could not get into a rhythm. I’d stick with Gebbia for now. He hasn’t made any really horrific decisions. Does need to protect the football better.
Defense issues are up front. Have gotten run over in two straight games. Expect that all season. Losing Whittley was huge. Also hurting the defense is the JCs from this last year are not making an impact.
Shippen – hasn’t played
Rezjohn Wright – plays but no recorded stats. So somewhere on special teams.
Julian – one tackle vs wsu
Hardage – hasn’t played
Johnathan Riley – opted out
The other big issue I see is the playcalling on both sides. Need to get creative and out think the opponents because its clear other than Jefferson, the players aren’t going to make something out of nothing.
Defense may be “good” by the end of the season, right now too streaky. They did prevent UW from converting 4 of their last 5 third downs, but allowed 7 of 11 prior to that…….and with big gains on a couple of those. D played 37 minutes vs UW, gotta think 5 minutes less would have been helpful.
O-line needs help from playcalling, why not start out with 2 or 3 rushes per pass? And where are those 2 TE sets that BIG JIM predicted?
And, of course, winged T.
Wing T! Wishbone? I think the personnel is there
I don’t get what Chicago is doing with Patterson taking so many handoffs. He is just not a between the tackles back. They need to either give Nall and Pierce a chance, or if they have that little faith in them abandon the run.
Nall with 1 reception on 2 targets for 18 yards. 1 rush for 0 yards. Woo hoo!
Yeah Nall seems to be the passing down back with Montgomery out. Pierce had a couple decent runs and one time just got mauled in the backfield. I dunno that Pierce or Nall are NFL guys or not but Patterson is a gadget player. Give the true RBs a chance is all I am saying.
Tearing it up
Just our luck! FSU WR transfer T Harrison and UW transfer T Lowe are eligible the last two games of the season?! WTF? Why not now? I’m hearing that the Harrison kid is legit but like always, wait to see. Absolutely ridiculous they’re making them wait two more games to play!
Never heard anything about A Gumbs? Anyone? Also, was it DT Evan Bennett that had the heart tumor? Huge loss! Hope he’s doing well?!
Go Beavs!
I believe Gumbs has a hamstring injury. Evan Bennett is playing. Jordan Whitley has a heart issue.
Gumbs injuries have rendered him a toothless Beaver.
That’s what we called my grand pappy.
He ignored his bleeding gumbs….
Bennett had two great stops in a row against UW.
those guys can’t play because they transferred in after the current quarter had started and need for it to end before they can begin playing.
AB cracks 7.2million views and 280k comments. We might be the most successful independent blog in the PAC-12. This is what happens when you put a (competent) Beav on it.
congrats, Angry. Just for the record, can you cite what you consider the peer independent blogs in the conference, or the best ones?
I’m not sure, tbh. I know the Stanford one, and I think the Ducks had a decent one (Duckscoop?) years ago. UCLA also had a good one, but I can’t remember the name. At one point I was thinking about making an “angry-xyz” empire of all 12 of the best indie blogs, and I had them all on the list, but I can’t find that list now. I still think it’s a good idea to make a network like that, but from memory I stopped because I was having a hard time finding people who had critical thinking skills. I’d find knowledgeable bloggers, but they just pumped sunshine up their readers’ asses for the most part, and seemed to have a hard time criticizing their guys.
https://fishduck.com/
So Jack’s late-night drinking and howling at the moon paid off?
So…279k political comments? Not bad!
279, 001 now.
Congrats-you competent Beav!
Take the points. Always take the points.
Yep!
Hey, guys will continue to try to reinvent the game. Chip pulled it off because Oregon spent the time building the program up to that point where they could bully people around. The Beavs and Smith are trying to skip steps. This is why it looks more like degenerate gambling than bullying.
“We’re going to be aggressive and push people around!” – Da Beavs
“Uh, no.” – The 11 Pac teams.
Seems to me Chip used speed and innovation to “bully”, now Mario is trying traditional “big in the trenches” bullying. Both with phil’s dollar support.
Question is, is JS trying something beyond trickery to bully? I think he’s trying hard work and perseverance. We know he’s at a disadvantage dollar wise and doesn’t have much of an ally in Barnes. An actual reward on the field for his, and his teams, hard work would do wonders; just three wins in a row would inject so much life.
So you’re still going with the argument that the only reason the ducks are successful are because of trickery and Phil night. What a loser man. Your team sucks get over it
Knight
You don’t get Recruits because your team sucks and they don’t win
Chip used data analytics to improve the game. He found that the more offensive plays you run the more opportunity to generate points. He then looked at high completion percentage plays and working to get the defense gassed by running the hurry up offense. It resulted in more points as intended. It was great use of data that helped, though intangibles like player talent and size of other teams couldn’t be overcome by his innovation alone. Hence when he played against the big boys they had reduced success. While less noticeable new defensive concepts continue to develop as a result. All of this has translated to a major shift to football at all levels. I give Chip credit, but it will be hard to replicate now that the concept is widely known and used. Now people are merging it with traditional “pound it” SEC football.
Lacking the O and D lines, maybe Smith thinks trickery is necessary? Did he do this at UW as OC where he had more talent?
Looks to me like Mario’s strategy of building from the lines is paying off in talent, depth, and NFL potential (which in turn helps recruiting). He took over an underperforming team from the Fortune Cookie coach and already has a Rose Bowl win over aWisc team that had a great college RB. He continues to recruit the lines effectively.
Of course i suspect recruiting hi jinks at UO, because if you’re a 4* or 5* who can go anywhere in the country, why Eugene? Are the facilities and Nike connection THAT cool? Probably the guaranteed ESPN attention for UO is compelling to the young recruits. There are better towns and programs to choose. Maybe its all of that plus the way Duck football approaches SEC-like fervor amongst fanbase and media (at least compared to other PAC schools).
Team success depends on the O and D lines. And it seems we’ve never recruited well in those areas for some reason. Maybe it is what it is in that we only get a shot at a handful of 3+ star players and so the mindset is key position like running back or QB. But the mindset should be spend stars on lineman first. It is easier said then done.
Recruiting hijinks. You morons never give up do you. Try winning a game and you might get some recruits
MUST READ…if you value Eggers perspective.
In addition to the spotting errors on JJ’s first downs, Eggers lists most of the missed calls last Saturday, he opines:
“If I’m Smith, though, after I’m told the review showed the Beavers had come up short, I’m not accepting that without a fight. I’m challenging it. And again. If I have to run out onto the field to get the referees’ attention and I draw an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in the process, so be it…
https://www.kerryeggers.com/stories/on-shoddy-officiating-covids-impact-and-pac-12-womens-hoops-along-with-a-little-terry-stotts-and-charles-barkley
Yeah the comparisons to Riley, for Smith, are valid here. Lindgren is kinda reminding me a little of Langsdorf. If he doesn’t have an NFL QB throwing to an NFL caliber receiver (or two in Langs’ case), the offense struggles. The RB on this team is much better than Woods was though. The latest O Live article is making mention of receivers not getting open. There’s a couple problems I have with this assumptions/statement and the actual group of receivers they have on the team. The receiving corps actually has talent (unfortunately, it feels like some of them are standing on the sidelines most of the game). So then, if you make that accusation (receivers aren’t getting open), then that’s also on the coaches. They are responsible for getting the proper personnel in the game. I’m also sorely disappointed that they have almost completely gone away from any horizontal stretch running game (fly action), to get some big plays and take some pressure off of JJ. Just seems like they could run some “empty” formations and have limitless options with some of the talent at receiver (even use a TE or two and run some “fly”).
What I’m not saying. I’m not saying the O-Line is not a problem here, they look slow footed and out of position (which may be giving Gebbia some happy feet). But again, coaching! Put him (Gebbia) in position for success (Boot, 3/4 roll outs, move the pocket, double pass, use double tights for extra pass pro, etc)! There are far too many ways to fix this.
This is either gonna get better or worse lol. Somebody brought up the idea of Chris Peterson coming in as an offensive consultant?! That is a great idea if he’d agree.
Go Beavs!
I wonder how the players feel about a coach that won’t get in the officials’ faces when, as Eggers notes, the Beavs were getting hosed every which way. The punter, Lightbourne could have been seriously injured but, again, at least on TV, no response from Smith.
Great point!
This is a very similar argument about Riley from years ago for being listed as the nicest guy. I think he drew a 15 yard flag the next game.
Smith had an unsportsmanlike penalty called on him in the Cal game last year for what it’s worth.
Angry, can we kick out the troll?
I appreciate angry’s long standing policy against censorship, but to answer your question, “we” have effectively kicked out many trolls by simply ignoring them. Even denying them the satisfaction of downvotes is a good move.
BTW, sweaty, nice move in the pick ’em this week! Ya got me sweatin’ for sure!
No. We currently have zero bans and don’t’ think he’s done enough to warrant one. In fact, he has some valid points.
Wait, so you currently have no one banned? So its that douchbag duck from last year who shit all over countless threads until you finally banned him. Great.
How much does an ignore button cost to set up? I might send an early Christmas gift to bring it back.
He’s a jerk, but he has some valid points. I’m not sure if it’s that same guy. I will check.
Edit: No, he isn’t the same guy.
Picks are up for this week
Could be worse, we could be Utah State.
That’s very zen.
Another issue with Smith. Do you all remember last year’s WSU game? How can you forget the shootout and losing last second. I’m not big on would/could/should but I will say, it kinda ticked me off when the team announced that WR T Bradford was gonna sit that game out (even though he was ready to come back from injury) but wanted to preserve his 4th game (for his redshirt? I believe?!). He missed it so he could use it for the Civil War. Smith and the staff were ok with this. To me that is a selfish move on Bradford’s part and chickenshit on Smith’s part. They both need to do what’s right for the team. The HC definitely has to have that as his priority. I wasn’t in the locker room, I don’t know every detail but that’s the way it sounded to me. As we all know, a win at WSU, and the Beavs were bowling! Would, could, should. Sigh!
That’s true regarding Bradford, at least from what I remember about that situation. Thing is they could have won vs WSU by just punting.
Thing is, Bradford probably wouldn’t have made a difference. The offense didn’t lose that game. Smith did, by going for it on 4th and 4.
This may be true. I’ll be honest, I wasn’t saying if Bradford played, the Beavs win. I was more pointing to the fact that the team should come first! A true leader knows that!
But I agree with both points.
Go Beavs!
Pfizer applies for approval of 95% effective vaccine.
Will you take it?
95% effective in a population of 170 active cases. That’s a very small sample size.
Yeah agree. I’m not sure what is statistically significant for a virus, but it has to be at least thousands. FDA probably approves it under some emergency provision, though.
I’m curious if anyone would take it. I wouldn’t. I’m not going to be the guinea pig.
Absolutely will not be receiving these vaccines.
As I mentioned my wife is a pharmacist, and she is not planning on either. Both of us are very pro vaccine too.
There is way way too much unknown with this new vaccine. As you stated I’m not going to be a guinea pig. This is a brand new form of technology with completely unknown short term, let alone long term knowledge.
Wish everyone well who does get it and hope for the best, but not for me
Yeah. Similar to my feelings.
Also, I read that it changes cell structure. Is this normal for a vaccine? I know cancer changes sell structure, so when I read that…
I know Moderna has a competing vaccine. I’m not sure the details on it. They work in different ways, from what I read. That alone is strange to me. If there’s a best way to vaccinate, you’d think companies working independently would come to that same conclusion. That they didn’t is a red flag to me. But I’m not expert on viruses.
Most of us won’t be able to get the vaccine for a while anyway. The most vulnerable people and healthcare workers will be up first. That’ll be a large enough population to see if there are really any large adverse effects.
Based on the schedule, it looks like first quarter of 2021 is when those populations will be able to get a shot. Then what a month or two after, should see results of the effectiveness.
Manufacturing scalability & roll out will give ample time for everyone to decide before the opportunity becomes made availability for you to take a vaccine. It will not be all done in a month’s time.
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Talk about a small sample size, how about the study which suggests immunity “could last years”?
“Scientists at the La Jolla Institute of Immunology in California found that eight months after participants had been infected with COVID-19, they still had high enough immune cells to fight off the virus and prevent another round of infection. That slow rate of decline in the short term indicates that immunity may remain for years. “
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-11-17/immunity-to-coronavirus-could-last-years-study-finds
Also, should correct some confusion I am reading regarding this Phase 3 vaccine study.
As I understand, the Pfizer study was conducted on a pool of 43,000+ patients, split into two groups. One was control (placebo), the other was not (vaccine). The results today indicate that out of that pool of patients, 170 developed active covid-19 (the 5%); most of these active cases were in the control (placebo) group.
Hopefully this helps! =)
Yes, I would take it. No concerns from me and I’m in a marginally at risk groupl
I’m back on chess.com if anyone wants a game. For some reason they had a glitch that banned me.
OUT OF CONFERENCE GAMES COMING?
Wilner tweets: “Breaking: #Pac12 set to reverse course and allow non-conference games. ADs have agreed, one step remains”
Conference banned OOC games last July but now is set to try to cash in.
You can’t make this stuff up; Larry gets paid a fortune because the PAC is a media corp but no more than one FB game to be broadcast, Zebras are incompetent, and that San Francisco high rise is still collecting rent.
Is there anyone to play? I’m sure the independents will cancel whatever games they have and reschedule with the pac12. But it seems too little too late, unless the CFP gets pushed.
Byu has a long break, and they want to play more games
Cincinnati probably wants a shot at Oregon or USC in order to try to jump Clemson or ND for the CFP. I could see BYU doing that as well.
I don’t understand…this year??
My lady got offered two jobs this week and accepted a new job with a 20% pay bump. What are people experiencing out there? The Joe Biden economy is off to a good start…lol.
My business is on the 2 week freeze in Oregon… but that’s a State decision
You know it’s going to end up going through New Years right? or there will be another freeze during xmas and nye to prevent gatherings again.
OT: This is an interesting, good interview.
Trump’s legal team is claiming that Dominion’s voting machines have user settings that can weigh votes by customizable scaling factors, according to a senior employee with the company. That is an EXPLOSIVE claim. If they can prove it in court, 28 states are potentially nullified.
They are also looking into claims of irregularities in New Mexico and Virginia as well. Virginia was extremely odd, because Biden won Lynchburg, which is a Republican stronghold, by 3%. Trump won the city by ~8% in 2016.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6282157002
Claim came from Sidney Powell on November 19, who says that a former employee has come forward and provided testimony under oath.
What was the term for Rudy’s team today? (before he started bleeding from the ears) “We’ve got an elite strike force?” And somehow this is tied back to Hugo Chavez? Footnote: He died in 2013.
Strange times…
90% of people didn’t watch the whole interview. There are some serious allegations that they’ll have to prove In court, but it appears the affidavits and statistical analyses performed are sufficient evidence for a case to be made.