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Cal @ Oregon State (Game Thread)

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I won’t be around most of the day, and only will be able to catch the first half of this game.

I’m sticking with 31-21, Beavs. We always play Cal well. Phil Steele has my back, I saw. We can still win the North with a little help!

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    Golfing at noon today. Thought the beav game was at 4:30 (that’s next weekend). After watching the beavs the last two weekends, I’m sticking with golf at noon.

  2. Outdoors today, too nice to watch a couple of bottom dwellers in a meaningless season. I’ll check the game thread to get perspective, results.

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    Oregon State won’t be within 4 games of winning the North. My prediction is if OSU doesn’t win today they have a a complete breakdown and go 0-6 or 0-7 if the expected game on weekend of Pac-12 Championship is held. Team has recruiting rankings that unlike Oregon which is top 4 in the nation isn’t even Top 100. Teams like Liberty and Coastal Carolina are able to string together long win streaks, but at Oregon State ineptitude is the norm and all too easily accepted. Cal is the one team we play well, but Garbers makes this game a coin flip because because Beavs will lose if Hebbia is again lackluster. Smith is paid almost as much as Cristobal for crying out loud. Today better be a W or this program is going to be in the trough. Time for Barnes to go if team doesn’t win more than 1 game this year. AD has to set standards and expectations. If more was on the line maybe Smith wouldn’t be so careless on when he rolls the dice and would have his team playing better to start games instead of waiting until it is too late.

    • WUB makes a good point. This blog tends to focus on coaching snafus and misfeasance but in truth we haven’t had an AD with his eye on the ball since Barnhart left. When was that, 2002? Everything flows (downhill) from there.

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    Cal 38, Beavs 24. Gebbia sucks again when it matters. D can’t get off the field. JS won’t commit to run until it’s too late. Another poor game plan and game choices. Kids start to pack it in. I heard it wasn’t a great week of practice from a walk-in friend of my kid. Coaches had to bust some tail because of effort and focus. Bad sign. I was afraid of this. WSU and UW were must wins. Now it begins to snowball

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    Hello all. I have followed you guys for a couple of years and this is my first post. I do appreciate everyone of you and your perspective on the beavers and on their gameplay.
    I will admit that I am a duck fan as I grew up in Eugene. I live in Albany now and a lot of my very close friends are diehard beaver fans and I am impressed how much hope and faith they have in their beavers every year only to be let down and disappointed every year.
    So for my good friends and all of you here on angry Beaver’s I hope the beavers pull off a win today. You diehard beaver fans deserve much better than what you get year after year. You are some of the most loyal fans I have ever met. More so than a lot of the bandwagon duck fans. Good luck to all of you and The Beavs. Good luck to all of you and the beavers today

  6. First off, Go Beavs! Always!!

    Apparently, Cal looked bad last weekend (I didn’t see the game) but their best D Lineman were not available? But of course, they’re back. That could obviously be a problem for the Beavs who have struggled to have consistency on O. Really hoping the offense starts clicking on all cylinders and opening up/spreading out the defense. So my keys to the game:

    *Win the turnover battle. This is always a huge indicator of winning versus losing games.
    *3rd downs are HUGE (both sides of the ball). The Beavs need to convert on offense and get some stops on defense.
    *Versatility on Offense. Someone (or some others), besides JJ need to shoulder some of the load. That being said, the coaches need the right personnel in the game at the right time and….. use horizontal stretch (fly, fake fly, even quick-tunnel screen game) and get the ball into playmakers hands in space
    *Players need to show some passion. They look flat from the get go the last two games! Have some God damn fun ;D

    Not going to put a score, I know, cop-out. I will say that if the Beavs can do those things, even from a minimal standpoint, they have a good chance to win this game.

    Go Beavs!

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    Beaver fans: “Night game start times suck, why do we always get shitty time slots that nobody watches?”

    Also Beaver fans: “Afternoon games are a waste of a perfectly good afternoon. I have better things to do with my time than watch Oregon State football.”

  8. Cal had every one up close to the line because they know Gebbia has a weak arm. Heard on the pre game show that his longest completion is 20 some yards.

  9. Beavs defense showing the bend + break strategy.
    Allows Cal to make a methodical 75 yard 8 play drive. Mostly run plays and 2 deep pass plays with fortunate hands by receivers.
    Tied at 7

    • If you want to call it strategy… I call it getting beat lol… I understand playing that way if your offense is great but ours isn’t.

  10. Wow, just terrible punt coverage by Beavs. So many players with a shot to make a play but not following through.
    Bailed out by illegal block in the back, otherwise Call scored.

  11. Good defensive series with strong tackling to stop the first down.

    Gebbia with a nice 35 yard throw to QT.

    Game looks fine to me so far.

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      Probably will be once he gets locked in and the game slows down.
      Think the day game is going to help with all that, but we will see. So far the team looks as I expected game 1, only 2 games late.

      • I saw the happy feet last week so I agree if the game does eventually settle down. I can remember DA having a killer season and then got smashed around by USC and he was never the same. I am hoping Gebbia can break himself of it.

  12. Ham looks slower to me.this year. He gained 10 lbs and got injured in camp but I’m wondering if he spent touch time adding weight and not enough on speed work.

  13. just to close the loop, from the first segment on Big Red Overreaction today:
    “embarrassing,” “sick to my stomach,” “where do we go now since Frost was our last hope,” “our DNA has changed,” “we’re a bad football program,” “team has checked out”, “sucks the joy out of every Saturday”, “no sign of progress,” “the hole keeps getting deeper”, “wasting my Saturdays,” “players don’t have a clue,” “team has no heart.”

    • Arnold’s major problem to me is pass coverage. Missed some tackles last week but he always seems 3 steps behind in coverage and in some cases, especially game 1, wasn’t even on the right side of the field.

      • Hope so for Morris. Feel like the last 2 years has been he’ll be available next week and he’s played like 15 snaps. Was surprised about Gumbs tbh. He was doing some work in camps then all of sudden not healthy again. Hope he can work through it.

    • I think mostly his height. The EDGE position loves tell guys with long arms. Guys on the inside playing DE and NT need to have lower center of gravity or be absolute freaks.

      • Yeah you see guys like Armstead being so dominant but he is a freak… I just think if you can just take up space our LB’s are good enough to close the gap… What we are doing now isn’t working

  14. Offensive play-calling is so suspect this year, often hard to make sense of what they were going for. It was inconsistent last year with a few big gaffes, but also great at times. Something has changed for the worse this season.

  15. Garbers has such a great touch on the ball, and deadly accurate. Without us getting any pressure on him and this is going to get ugly.

    • Yeah but he’s playing with almost zero pressure. Any QB at this level can deliver balls all day like this when they’re not pressured. There is a huge difference between good and great. I’m not the least bit convinced that Garbers just had a “bad day” against UCLA. Not buying that.

      Go Beavs!

    • Yeah Gebbia can’t make those deep sideline throws… We need short quick passes… Why are we trying to fit a square peg into a round hole? He isn’t Luton with the arm.

  16. Fs1 really brought the b squad for the tv production Looks like field cameras only on one side of the field and junior operators. Announcers clearly don’t have spotters so they mix up names.

    Any replay reviews will have limited angles. Like we saw last week.

  17. Score doesn’t reflect the game. This is a low key ass whooping right now. They’re almost double the total yds and the penalty on the punt return is a 14 pt swing. Offense had only had 2 plays essentially. Something needs to change.

    • No you can’t call the block in the back anything but a block in the back lol… Give that up… that being said, these are just two terrible teams… even matchup

      • Perhaps we’re not watching the same game through the 1st half. Approaching double the offensive yards. Take 2 plays away from the Beavs and the offense has just been terrible.

  18. Why does every other Pac 12 QB look better than the Beavs QBs? It doesn’t matter if they are a transfer, freshman, seniors… They are always better, pretty frustrating

  19. This Beaver offense os hot garbage. OL can’t protect. Gebbia can’t make most of the basic throws and gets his passes tipped regularly. Jefferson has no room to run.

  20. Let’s just cancel the rest of the season. Gebbia is awful and the Oline and Dline is pathetic. Two plays and that’s it for the offense. Cal offense missing virtually all their oline and OSU defense can’t stop crap on third down..i hope cal crushes OSU in the second half.

  21. I don’t mind some excitement from announcers but man these guys are over the top every single play. Going to have to mute the 2nd half

    • I always mute the TV and sync up the radio broadcast. Works great. Radio is usually a little behind but if you have a dvr, just pause and let it catch up.

      Go Beavs!

  22. There are some really piss poor coaching errors on defense. Cal is running slants almost every time on 3rd and anything over 1! It’s completed easily because no defenders are re-routing the receivers! Fuck. This is so basic, it’s ridiculous! Get your hands on the receivers to disrupt timing. Garbers is not very good but he is putting on a clinic. Looks like 7 on 7 out there.

    Go Beavs!

  23. 70 yards passing, first half. JJ beat that total right out of the gate. Man, we were really deluded by last year’s game vs. Oregon. He was under no pressure that game; zero expectations of him.

    • hell, even F. King Alexander (half time interview on radio) know’s what up. “People open over the middle, need to loosen up.” That’s the problem. Gebbia plays “tight.” the moment seems too much for him. King then adds: “we need to look for more than one receiver.” Maybe he should coach and Smith can become President.

  24. Good news is, if we can scrape together 17 more yds passing we can beat last week’s total! Things aren’t looking that bad after all.

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    I miss the Gebbia of last year who was obviously better than Luton. He was a “gamer”. He had “it”. He was more mobile and athletic and could scramble when needed. The coaches were just too stupid to see it and instead played Luton all year out of sheer stubbornness. This year he sucks. I’ve never seen a player take such a huge step backwards. Looking back, I realize that that was the first real indicator that JS didn’t know what he was doing.

    • He threw a great deep ball in High School. Wonder if nerves/pressure of being the starter is really getting to him, he seems super tense, everything coming out flat.

      Either way if he can’t figure it out you gotta yank him.

  26. Gebbia looks way to mechanical and forced. Passes are wobbly and too high or behind — it’s like one thing gets off and the whole motion is tortured.

    • He was my one major concern going into this season. Definitely thinking too much! about a half a second or more late on decision making. He’s an average at best scramble guy playing in a gun slinger offense. There is nothing special about his game IMO.

      Go Beavs!

  27. If you’re Cal, don’t you go for it all the time? Pretty clear Beavs defense is leaking badly. Other than the LBs who are playing very well.

  28. How will the D perform!?! Need 3 and out! Maintain pass rush contain responsibilities and take ’em down! A punt would be amazing!!

    Go Beavs!

  29. I like the Julian kid. This game he has been around the ball quite a bit!

    If the offense can use the run to set up some PA Pass, it could be a good build on the lead?!

    Go Beavs!

  30. Beavs defense didn’t make a good play – Cal defense miscommunicated. Of course, I would like the Beavs to win but the bonus would be to shut up these fing announcers.

  31. ok. Here’s a moment to remake yourself and your season. a long, clock-burning drive ending with a score with less than 30 seconds left in the game. Let’s see it happen.

  32. There’s an old saying, basically when, “you keep trying the same thing and it’s not working and you expect a different result… that’s the definition of “insanity”

    Go Beavs!

  33. JS post-game: “I have full confidence in Tristan going forward and we are going to look at film and see what can be improved.”

    New nickname for our back-up qb: Nolan not a Chance

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    Go Beavs. Great game. One thing – Parker referred to the press box as the Darrell Aune Press Box – when did that happen? Aune made those horrible Beaver years entertaining at least.

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    Man! Great work pulling out the win but…… unfortunately some revelations occurred from this game. First, the Bears and the Beavs are cellar dwellars in a terrible conference. Gebbia is a sub par QB, especially for this team. The defense is very soft! I can’t believe it but Vegas may have been correct, saying Oregon State will only win one but I agree at this point. Celebrate the win! Love to see the Beavs win but in terms of a season, majorly disappointing!

    Go Beavs!

    • No doubt your comment from the beavers win Is “they aren’t that good” hahaha. Go beavs indeed! Glad you can grit through the beavers winning!

      • Yeah let’s sugar coat this mofo! Best team in PAC 12. Look out National Championship, here come the Beavs. The coaches are doing a great job with personnel, game management and play calling. What was I thinking?! We just beat “the” Cal Bears.

        Tool!

        Go Beavs!

  36. I’m very glad the Beavs won the game but I still wasn’t very impressed on either side of the ball. Outside of Jefferson and Spieghts we are lacking good players.

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    Gebbia with a qb rating of 26. This is not the offense I would choose if I was a good wr. Beason has to be thinking this is who will be getting me the ball for the next 4 years? There has to be a better option out there. The players have to be wondering as well.

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        Not sure how that matters. Maybe you guys are more invested in it having watched it. But I see a 1-2 team that needs to win a game and turn around their season. And they did the first part. Confidence can carry over and winning is contagious. I don’t see the reason to be so upset.

        • Special teams bailed-out the offense big time….setting up short field position three or four times for an inept offense that was vanilla and outplayed — Gebbia with two INTs and is a liability now. Looked like more of the same from the first two games, lots of long dry spells for the offense and the defense bend don’t break came up with an interception inside the 10 yard line with one minute to play. Time to give the keys over to Chance Nolan!!!

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          Defense played fine. Offense was once again mostly anemic and ineffective. A great return by bradford and a punt block by Irish saved the game. Jefferson got about 60 yards on a run in garbage time.

          Gebbia also threw one of the worst ints I’ve seen in awhile.

          • Jefferson got about 60 yards on a run in garbage time.
            Not so fast, my friend. There is NO SUCH THING as garbage time for these Beavs, no lead is safe, certainly not a 4 pt lead!

          • The end of the game yards came when they were expecting and selling out to stop the run. I was actually more impressed with the blocking and runs when they needed it the most

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          “…don’t see the reason to be so upset.”
          Darn JS with his trick plays! lol

          Seriously, very nerve wracking enroute to the W.
          360yds total offense vs 439 for Cal
          TOP: Beavs 22, Bears 38
          Over 160 yds combined KO and punt returns for the Beavs
          Never showed ability on O to grind out a drive
          Nice to see some 2TE sets

          • I was thinking the same thing about lack of any sustained drives and then they went on about a 6 min drive for a FG in the 3rd quarter. They stopped trying to go deep and threw 8-12 yards passes and mixed in some runs. That’s what the offense should be.

          • Forgot about that, I stand corrected.
            More on that 6 minute drive:
            53 yds, 13 plays
            5 pass attempts (1 incomplete), 7 rushes including Gebbia 3yd sneak for a 1st down.
            Used 3 receivers, avg 8.5yd/completion
            Rushes avg 2.7 yd

        • Caught the second half so I missed some ugly football I guess, but I was happy. Gebbia still meh.. his body language is almost as bad as Luton’s… FTD

    • No run down would be complete without mention of Colletto converting a 4th and 3. Made it so clear that even the zebras couldn’t steal it, he’s not just a 2-3yd back anymore!

      • Ya know, I was a little hard on the staff for how much they played JC at LB in the first game! But I do have to say that I completely respect him (Jack Coletto). He is doing everything he’s asked! He plays hard. I really think that he would be a great H-Back/TE type. He would be great for motion “wham” blocks (lead blocks) in the run game. But he could also be used in the receiving game and even as a passer in certain packages. Just no more on defense.

        Go Jack!
        Go Beavs!

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    Shocked Gebbia threw to Beason today. He must not have heard about Beason’s dad or relative blasting Gebbia on one of the paid sites earlier this week.

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        let’s get real. Gebbia had one nice throw for the second TD, and he had one nice drive for a FG. both in the first half I believe. Otherwise he profited from Jefferson’s opening TD, a punt block late, and an INT late to save the game. If Cal had scored there anyone confident Gebbia could have driven down the field for a game tying field goal. His worst series was the one late, just before the D forced a Cal punt which was blocked. Jefferson did all the work to get the winning score on a short field.

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      The offensive line did not fair well. Don’t let JJ’s numbers fool you. High because he gashed them several times. Most of the time he and our other running backs got stuffed at the line.

  39. I’m not a coach and don’t have a coaches eyes but I could tell almost every offensive play when they lined up if it was going to be a run or pass. The only that surprised me was the trickery Gebbia touchdown.

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    any stat guy out there capable of providing the number and distance of Gebbia completions to WR’s. Not Tight Ends. WR;s. I don’t think we’ve seen a Beav QB with less ability to stretch a field since before Smith was QB. That would be okay if Gebbia moved the chains consistently, sorta like Boise QB’s do historically. Gebbia has 3-4 three and outs every game.

  41. I was impressed with coaching today. JS best game. Committed to run. Play action. Tried not to let Gebbia lose it… although he almost did. 2nd INT was really bad at the worst time. Lucky to come back from that mistake. D played solid game. Made plays. Special teams had great day… when is last time that happened. Might have been difference. Jefferson and Oline put game away at end… always good to end in victory formation after couple 1st downs and forcing all time outs. Easier said than done. To beat Oregon, Gebbia has to be better and we have to continue to commit to run, play conservative… nice to see JS take points and kick FG to make it 20-17. I was thinking he might not be able to help himself and cost us again.

  42. So, what will the line be for the CW?
    And, how many points do you need in order to lay down some cash?

    Right now I’m thinking there’s about a 40% chance Beavs get blown out, 30% a close loss, 25% a close win………leaves 5% for a big Beav victory.

    • I’ll guess +11. No money, no way for me anymore with the Beavs. Only way I could wager on them is to win. Don’t need my heart and wallet broken most Saturdays

  43. This is a very sad thought, but I am curious?! With this generation of “instant gratification”, do any guys start opting out? That would be shitty but ya never know anymore?! And the season looks to be a loss at this point (probably the only victory at this point). Just a thought.

    Go Beavs!

      • I really don’t give a shit what you think man! I don’t have to prove anything either. Why don’t you go over to Benny’s House or one of those boards where all they do is kiss each others asses and tell each other how great everything is going?! You obviously don’t understand the concept of this board.

        Go Beavs!

  44. Do we have to adjust our expectations for A good defenses when It comes to sports? How many games are won 40 something to 30 something? Ohio state won 42-35 today. Clemson scores a lot but gives up a lot. Seems like the rules have changed for sports to allow more points to be scored and make it harder on the defense. I guess maybe the beavs defense isn’t as bad as I have been thinking. It’s the big miscues that get old. I guess it’s hard when you have
    Confusing offenses and new players to break in. Anyone else been noticing this? Curious the average points scored by teams and how it’s changed over the years. Even more reason to have a good qb.

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    Is Oregon State football going to ignore the elephant in the room. The team has been playing there butt off. The quarterback play has been dismal for a reason. Gebbia can not throw the ball off platform. Meaning if he has a clean pocket he can make the throw. He can not by time and move around and throw off platform. He is the slowest player on the field. He can not throw on the run to his left nor to his right. He can not make any throws deep down the sidelines outside thr numbers. He can not bust any 15 to 30 yard runs when the defense goes man and he has a clear path to run. He can not out run any defensive lineman. There are four games in a row that proves his in ability to create anything positive under duress. The offensive coordinator has to play it safe to protect him. Why have they not gone to there back up Chance Nolan. Nolan can throw on the run exceptionally well. He can get the ball deep down the field. And, he can run. He eas the number one dual threat jc recruit. Oregon State is proving they are a losing program unwilling to make changes to a far superior talent. Start asking the players out there. They all know Nolan has far superior skill set that will get you 45 points a game. Also, it will have gotten the Beavs to a 3-0 start. Why has the coaching staff allowed these poor kids to lose. If this was the SEC, coaches would be fired. There was a reason Nolan had offers from Utah, UCLA, Oklahoma State and 20 other D1 football programs. Look at Chances film. This kid has all the tools to be great. Why have they not allowed him to play?

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    The second INT was bad, although Matt Moore, Sean Canfield, and Lyle Moevao have thrown far worst interceptions in past seasons. Gebbia really needs to rush for whatever yardage is available on rollout plays, because this team is not good in 2nd or 3rd and long situations. Not having Hodgins is becoming more glaring with each week.

    Beavs showed plenty of resolve today, which is really important for team morale. I know it’s Cal but considering they got punched in the mouth in the first game, and lost a winnable game against a far superior opponent in UW, it’s good to see them pull out a victory where they had to fight for 60 minutes.

    There are talent deficiencies in this team, but Smith and company are doing a decent job covering those holes, particularly on defense. Third and fourth downs are problematic, but that’s balanced by solid red zone defense.

    I think the playcalling is a bit predictable. We have the personnel to utilize fullbacks in the run game. In the first game, there were several WR screens; calling a jailbreak or TE screen would keep the defense off balance. I don’t see many read options; when the offense does not have a reliable target like Hodgins was, it would be nice to have that added dimension to the offense. A WR sweep would also be nice once in a while.

    Perhaps we’ll see a wider variety of plays called against Oregon. They key is to make sure their offense stays off the field, because it looks like a complete mismatch on that side of the ball. Maybe the defense will get three or four stops against a pretty competent QB and run game.

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        With all the small WR’s, the team is going to need Musgrave to step up. TE’s are going to have to be a dependable weapon. Smith needs to get a couple of taller WR’s for next season, it’s the way the game is played now. I think the passing game is at a disadvantage currently.

    • Completely agree that the staff needs to use more horizontal stretch in the run game (fly sweep, tunnel screens, even bubble-I have mentioned this in previous posts). I think a wrinkle that might play to Gebbia’s strength is to put in an option package. Some; speed option, basic read option, with some fly sweep wrinkles. It’s not that difficult. Gebbia could use his ability to run a bit and it would be another way in the ground game to keep some pressure off of JJ. The other thing is that it forces the defense to play assignment football (players are assigned to cancel possible ball carriers) which brings defenders up with play fakes (option action). This offense doesn’t use a FB but I think a guy that could be an H-Back type would be Coletto. This would fit his game and also, he could be used as an extra passer (trick play). There are options (pun intended) for this team. :)

      Go Beavs!

  47. I saw some of the Oregon game vs UCLA. Beavs should be double digit underdogs.

    It’s going to be tough for the Beavs to defend that RPO offense. CBs are going to be lit up all day. And with vanilla playcalling on offense, Oregon’s defense will be flying to the ball.

    So the coaches will really need to come up with a game plan to be effective on defense and throw a few curve balls on offense. They aren’t going to give up those big runs. Gotta be creative to get guys ball in space.

    • ^^^^This…..every time it was 3rd and 10+, I would tell my wife, “damn, if they could get to 3rd and 5….Beavs have a chance to stop”. It’s like the longer the 3rd down, the easier for opposing teams to convert…. has to be the worst 3rd down defense in the nation.

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      I don’t know why a defense can’t come out motivated from the get-go? In the first half, even on short-run plays, Cal was getting an extra two or three yards. I was shouting at the TV, “stand that fucker up and knock him back”. And then it actually started happening in the second half. Motivation is a weird thing.

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    Couple thoughts the morning after. You know you are a Beaver fan when the day after they win you are only kind of happy because you know they didn’t BEAT the other team, they just won. They won against a team whose QB was having his first outing of the season and who was working behind an offensive line that was pieced together this week. Yet Cal had more first downs, more total yards, more penalties, and more time of possession. Props for pulling it off but I was really hoping for a team that was going to continue building on last year. Both sides of the ball look worse and don’t pass the eyeball test. I’m pessimistic for the remainder of the season.
    Signed – Debbie Downer

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      Oregon is not that good
      No kidding. I considered starting a thread titled, “Reason to Believe?”
      Consider that the ucks have faced two backup QB’s in their three wins.
      Consider they’ve lost 4 fumbles and had 2 interceptions so far (Beavs 1 lost fumble, 3 ints).
      Note that Cal was predicted to be #2 in the North and that Garber was, I believe, the most experienced PAC QB playing yesterday.

      At that point I began to run out of reasons to believe, but consider what Eggers said,
      “‘@BeaverFootball prevails despite Cal’s big edge in first downs (24-16), total yardage (439-360), passing yardage (315-155) and time of possession (38:06 to 21:54).
      Just win, baby.”

      Yup, just win, baby!

  49. Penn State 0-5 for first time ever…

    Michigan’s Harbaugh celebrating after barely beating Rutgers, and M has a losing record…apparently one message board post was “That was a heck of a pillow fight” — The Wolverine ”

    Nebraska in a tailspin under Frost, who, along with the Nebraska administration, vigorously advocated for football this fall.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2020/11/22/nebraska-getting-trolled-illinois-adds-scott-frosts-misery/6381536002/

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      #TPB, Husker Nation was acting like it was a significant win to beat winless PSU last week and then they were completely dominated by a shitty Illini team yesterday. So fun to see!

    • I wonder if they’ll run Harbaugh out of town.

      Penn State can’t fire their coach unless some super rich donor helps out. He just signed an extension at the beginning of the year. This is the firing clause “If he is fired without cause, Penn State owes Franklin the current year’s guaranteed compensation times the remaining length of the contract.”. That’s about 20 plus million if fired now.

      Nebraska is probably delusional right now. Still believing in their golden boy. The only way to rebuild that program is to spend money on other things like recruiting, facilities, etc. Coaching changes won’t help that much.

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    JS has been sitting on multiple packages and waiting to drop them on Ducks to ruin their dream season once again. Gebbia has been instructed to play at a slower pace to appear to be less than the stellar qb he is. JS has a long game strategy by Beavs in a year that will be a mulligan no matter the outcome. JS is looking at the Duck game as Dee used to, the only reason to live in the state. If JS pulls a rabbit out of the hat and beats the ducks, he is good for another 2-3 years. All players will return for next year and Beavs will rise again in 2021…

          • Herbert will be ROY. He’s played great and far surpassed my expectations. I thought he had bust written all over him but I was wrong and that was pretty apparent as early as his first start. I’ve got no issue calling em like I see em. Herbert will break a very long time-honored tradition of highly-touted Ducks QBs busting and faceplanting at the next level.

            Troll: you’re right about Herbert and anyone arguing with you is being dumb. You’re wrong about most of the rest of the drivel you’ve been spewing lately.

    • Ha ha! That would not surprise me. The “mulligan” part does seem a little bit applicable here. I’m wondering why everyone (coaches and players) just feel like they’re going through the motions? This could be why. However, if he (JS) was hedging his bets on this, he has to realize that some of these guys are going to want to leave after this season. There are a lot of reasons to stay, and I want them to stay but reality is a whole other thang. Guys who can make it in the league, wanna get paid! I get it. There are a lot of missing pieces (Gumbs, Harrison, Lowe, DT with the heart tumor-sorry I can’t remember his name). But if this is your attitude, thought process as a Head Coach (to just use this as a mulligan), IMO that’s a huge red flag!

      Go Beavs!

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      Dreamer proving once again that the only reason the Bevs suit up year after year is to try and beat the Ducks. It’s their Super Bowl even in a year where nearly every team is decimated by injuries or Covid or both

  51. Always great heading into civil war week coming off a win!!
    A couple takeaways. Julian seemed to be everywhere, but where was he the first two games? Stover, from Medford, is huge, literally.
    Definitely more blitz packages, especially from the safety, Arnold. His blitz at the end that caused the int was huge, and jumping up instead of trying to hit the qb showed some football smart, not very common for a Beaver.
    Quitoriano showed way more athleticism then I ever gave him credit for. He’s a legit downfield threat. Musgrave still has butterfingers, and caused the first int. The second int was just awful, Gebbia can work, as long as he doesnt cost us the game with mistakes like that.
    Go Beavs!!!

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        Interestingly, Daschel has an article over at The Oregonian talking about social media pointing out Gebbia’s shaky performances and he says that Smith is the type of coach who won’t hesitate to make a change, but that Gebbia is doing well enough at this point.

    • Musgrave has bad hands yes…but I’d still blame that first INT on Gebbia. It was a bad pass, way too high (and there was no reason for it to be high). I’m not sure it was even catchable, but if it was it would have been a great catch and not an expected catch.

    • I was told a couple months back that Lowe had a knee procedure of some sort during the offseason and wasnt expected to be available at all this season, even if given eligibility. Haven’t seen anything official about it, but trust the person who told me.
      Treshaun I believe would be available as of 12/5

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    Daschel tweets:
    Ducks open at 16 1/2 point favorites over Oregon State. No way that one holds. It’ll be 12 to 13 by kickoff.

    As I remember, line for ucks/UCLA went from 13 to 17

    BREAKING: S W O O S H
    SI has ucks at #10…in the Nation! Money talks!

    Wilner has ucks at #18, check must not have cleared.

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      Ducks are 3-0. Your team is 1-2 and struggled against the 2nd worst team in the Pac besides the Bevs. Smack talk ever get old after 11/12 losses?

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      You also listen to Daschel who predicted Kelley was a draft pick and “the best shot blocker in the nation”. Turns out he’s just a project. Lmao

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        Ah, look who is back for a repeat performance after Angry banished you from this forum. It appears as though you must have purchased a new device. Good for you kid, good for you. I knew you couldn’t resist staying out of a Beaver blog. Some things just never change do they…..plus a nifty new name to go along with your nifty new device.

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            I just want to apologize to everyone on this blog. I did some acid with Bill Walton while listening to The Grateful Dead last night… I realize money isn’t everything now and really all Oregon successes are because of the machine… Before they had money they struggled too… I hope you all forgive me

          • We also haven’t really won a championship in football… So I don’t know why we think we are so superior… we always point to track and field but who cares about that

          • Awwww. Looks like a triggered beav stole my moniker. So flattered. Share the acid please. Thanks Swammi or black bandit for being so easily triggered

    • Rankings are particularly meaningless this year….what’s the context this season with so many games cancelled, scheduled a few days in advance, so many rosters depleted…etc.

  53. what would a football weekend be without a go for it on 4th on the plus side of 50 with the lead? Indy just converted in that situation rather than turn the ball over to Rodgers. The chart that flashed on the screen briefly warranted the Colts decision.

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      on the other hand, turning to Smith’s controversial decision this year, if Green Bay had tried to convert a field goal rather than a 4th and 1, they might have won it in regulation rather just being able to send it to overtime.

  54. UW/WSU already cancelled for next Friday. BYU appears to have refused to play in Seattle (little prospect of winning and they are undefeated so far). Rumor has it that San Diego State will fill in or some other conference team capable of playing but whose regularly scheduled opponent can’t. I hear rumors of Utah

    • Utah got rescheduled to Sunday vs ASU.

      UW will need to find someone quick unless there’s another team in pac12 with positives. I think they test tomorrow?

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      BYU’s case is interesting. It sounds like they are playing it safe and hoping an undefeated record gives them of New Years Six Bowl as they realize the playoffs are a pipe dream with their schedule as it stands.

      • Seems like a double edged sword there. If they take the UW game and win, it could put them over the top. Lose and they’ll drop out of the rankings. Do nothing and they’ll probably be ignored. I don’t think Mormons gamble so they’ll skip the invite.

        And if the CFP delays a week or two, that really hurts the independents and G5 schools. It give another chance for a team from the PAC12 or BIG 12 to add another win to their total.

        • BYU shouldn’t play UW. They say any team, any place, and time, but not on any terms.

          It’s absolutely ridiculous that the Pac-12 would cancel an OOC game on Thursday in favor for a conference game, two days prior to the game being played. BYU has to coordinate travel for their entire team and staff, and to have that cancelled so close to kickoff would be infuriating.

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      From the article:

      “22) Miami Dolphins: Hamilcar Rashed Jr., EDGE, Oregon State

      Rashed is still raw as a pass rusher, but his natural abilities and the success of guys like Brian Burns and Harold Landry should help elevate his stock. He is undersized for a traditional rusher, but he is a very nice chess piece in a multiple defense. He is extremely fluid and has an elasticity that is unrivaled in the class.

      He isn’t as exciting as Randy Gregory coming out of Nebraska, but if you squint, you can see that Nebraska logo on his helmet. In a league that is getting the ball out fast, pass rushers NEED explosion, and Rashed has more than enough of that, and he can drop into coverage without much issue.”

      I just can’t see that. He’s got to be falling, maybe as far as a second day pick on the hope that this year is the performance aberration, not last year. If somebody could handle him playing lighter(?) he might show the speed, but it seems like he’d be too light as an OLB in the NFL and too slow to be a safety.

      • I haven’t paid too much attention, but I’m sure that offenses are preparing with him in mind. Maybe opposing offenses are scheming their block assignments to account for him so he can’t get the QB?

        • Maybe, probably. Right now he’s just facing starters of an covid-depleted PAC. But in the NFL, he’ll face the best, right? Will he be as effectively neutralized?

          I still hope the best for him, but right now, empirically, it doesn’t look good. He isn’t looking like a game changer this year.

    • Walton is an iconic figure in basketball. He is the man. He just doesn’t have anything positive to say about osu basketball. But who does really? Irrelevant again this year and expected to finish 12th. Familiar I suppose

      • Sorry guys! Having another acid flashback… Was hanging out with all the cool people from that super cool hype video… You know the one where we play off one of the only known movies filmed in Eugene. I think it’s great that we worship a movie inspired by good times at Washington University in St. Louis… And leave it to us to play off a Harvard grads movie writing, we know any of us couldn’t make anything successful

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    The Wall Street Journal sports section had a story today on former BYU and NFL QB Virgil Carter and the origin of football analytics. Readers of this blog will not be surprised that these two paragraphs stood out upon my reading of the article.

    “The [expected points analytics] concept also explains why teams should go for it more on fourth downs–the subject of another study Carter conducted in the 1970s on a strategy that didn’t become gospel until decades later. He used expected points to show teams were far too conservative and would benefit more by going for it more often. Now, in 2020, fourth down attempts are at an all-time high.”

    “Another paper by Carter and Machol in 1978 used this [expected points from certain scenarios] concept to study one of the most important decisions in football: when teams should go for it on fourth down. While teams hardly went for it at the time, the numbers revealed how mathematically boneheaded that was. It showed, for example, that a team facing a fourth-and-1 from its opponent’s 15 yard line would have 3.45 expected points if it ran the ball versus 2.29 for a field goal. Those numbers have been refined and advanced, but the concepts are why smarter teams are going for it more than ever.”

    • Virgil Carter was ahead of his time. I think he was only a starter for a couple of years, but one season he lead the NFL with a 62% completion percentage, which was unheard of in the early ’70s.

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