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Go Beavs!
Vegas line has started moving back up, someone here said the line close to game time was a pretty good predictor of final score. Now 17-17.5. Are ya buying that?

Key on D has gotta involve limiting big plays by nike and pressuring Gabriel. On Offense finish drives with points; I’m lookin’ for production from both McCoy and Johnson’s legs as well as arms.

Will it come down to special teams play?
Weigh in with your observations and let everyone know at what point in the game you think it’s over.

 

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    I’m adding a TD to the Vegas spread. Ducks by 24, maybe 27. Will put Bray’s staff against Lanning’s staff any day, but Nike HAS to start putting things together today, which they will and their 4 & 5 star talent will be the difference.

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    Bend Oregon experience.

    Went to the main sports bar in town, normally would be standing room only at least 90 minutes before kickoff Thanksgiving weekend, bar is emptier than most Saturdays. This game wasn’t needed and no one misses it.

    Go Beavs.

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    Unfortunately, I see this as one of those games where the Beavers grind and pound and have to convert multiple 3rd downs and it takes 7 minutes just to get a field goal, and then the yucks get it, hit a couple big plays, and score a touchdown in under 3 min. Mix in multiple Beaver drives ending in punts or missed field goals, and you get a final score something like 31-13, yucks.

    But by posting my fears, I hope to keep this from happening!

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    We pretty much just saw the difference between 2 and 3 star recruits vs 4 and 5. Ducks don’t beat themselves; Beavs constantly do. You knew they’d somehow mess that up…

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    Did they have a false start in the first two games? And Hayes has got to go, there’s a reason why he got beat out by Sappington. Head case, who’s the backup?

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    If you jumped off, are you back on the bandwagon after that drive?
    Bray was pissed for that whole
    Drive on the sideline. I figure the defense will have a bit different approach now also.
    Stay the course Beaver fans. Don’t panic.

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    I’m watching from a kids soccer game so cant see the action much. Did it look like the players leg was down bwfore crossing the plane on that 2 pt? Dod they review?

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    The QB mismatch and our D talent are the huge problems here. Thumbing me down because you’re invested in an outcome doesn’t change objective reality.

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    The difference in team speed is pretty jarring. I don’t understand what the hell the Quacks were doing against Idaho. Don’t tell me the Vandals have more team speed than the Beavs.

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    Defense is psyched out by the talent disparity, playing like they know they’re a JV squad as opposed to any kind of chip on their shoulder.

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    There’s a tremendous amount of ball washing going on with the broadcast team. It is clear that Fox wants to broadcast a 0regon game, not a football contest.

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    Angry is invested in the Beavs getting blown out at this point rather than being a fan.
    He is on record with several silly comments to justify himself.

    Beavs are playing well. If the defense makes adjustments it will be a game in the second half.

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      No one is talking about it, but if the Cougs win today (leading at halftime), they could run the table. The way they look, I think they can beat Boise, Fresno and the Beavs.

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        • They play a lot of bad Mountain West teams. The media goes nuts over Memphis, Tulane, and Boise St, but ignores OSU and Wazzu. It’s probably not going to happen, but it would be interesting to see what the playoff committee does if one of the teams only has one loss. Probably left out.

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    In a game with a Vegas spread of 18 points, the Duck qb is 10/10, the ducks have 2 big play touchdowns and only 1 penalty yet OSU trails by just a touchdown.

    Why the naysayer panic? Bray has shown a great ability to gameplan and make adjustments.

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    Really the false start is the difference in the game. If that doesn’t happen they’re still driving and most likely a touchdown or at least an easier field goal.

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    Was my concern going in. D Line talent between Power 4 and everyone else makes a huge difference in a game like this one. Hopefully we can work transfer portal but everyone is after those players. Not being in a major conference hurts them because there is scarcity of size snd talent at that position.

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    0regon effectively won today’s game when they imploded the Pac12 14 months ago.
    Close the crypt next year and never play them again.

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      Yeah, I don’t think Ohio hardly ever plays Ohio St. It’s pointless. The Beavs need to work on becoming a high-level G5 team. I read an article that it’s going to be difficult to work out schedules until 2029. I was just pass completely. Unfortunately whatever the fuck the Quacks were doing the first two games of the season gave us false hope. Bray’s got his work cut out for him, especially on defense.

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      Hopefully this opinion is finally starting to catch on. I was pissed when they announced they were going to keep the rivalry going because of exactly what we’re seeing right here. When we saw the exodus of talent from the program at the end of last year, didn’t people realize the disparity in talent would become so vast, that we were just going to be an annual body bag game on their schedule? From here on, the PAC 12 light is exactly where we belong.

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    The announcers are fucking annoying, but Fox has to pimp it’s league. The Beavs are obviously a shell of their former selves as it relates to the P-5 level. They’re making it sound like the Quacks are beating up on Ohio St.

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    Well it may be unpopular but making a conference with MWC teams is the only way at this point to be the big fish in the small pond. There is only so much 5 stars out there and only so much NIL money. We is who we is. We need to stop playing these idiots because they will always out recruit and out money us.

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      I don’t know, let’s see if the Beavs lose to Colorado St by 31 like in the Anderpants era. It is hard to assess because the level of competition is not comparable. Let’s see if they are not competitive against Boise St.

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      I agree 94beav but Smith had a different landscape which allowed him to build a 10 win team. That landscape is gone going forward. I think Bray will do well but we need to live in our new landscape and stop playing in yesteryears landscape.

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    How many people want to keep playing this game? The gap is only going to get wider and, yes, there is a clear talent gap happening that will continue to get wider and wider.

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      Well when they have a $23 mil NIL roster it does change things.
      I’d say Barnes should announce the end of the rivalry officially from OSU standpoint and let it be in the past. It is sad for the old memories but the Ducks chose to destroy any reality of a true rivalry.

      Agree that reality is to live in the new era.

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    Ducks O-line just played a supreme game. Got away with a few holding calls. But the refs haven’t really called it either way. Also our defense disappeared big time. Pursuit has been terrible. Guys blowing assignments. Getting caught in the wash. Not swarming. Bray is going to have a lot to tell them. Majorly disappointed with the way they played. I think the Ducks were tested more in the first two games and they just played with way more urgency.

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          Not as big as anyone seems to think there is.

          There’s a difference in depth and stability, sure. But it’s college football. If that game is played again next week, it’s a completely different game.

          Us being down two starring oline doesn’t help. Dropping our lbs into coverage on every play negates any value they bring and puts the dline on an island.

          The talent gap may be in coaching experience, if anything.

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      Yeah, let’s just puss out of this rivalry because we don’t think we are good enough. Or we think the Ducks are better. I remember this was exactly the attitude the person that used to run this site hated. The apathy towards the program and the feeling we can’t be good. But he sold his soul to play a sad sack media slurper. Talking about “talent gaps”. We got thoroughly outplayed. That was piss poor defensive technique. Bad angles, bad tackling. Blown assignments. And the Ducks were ready to exploit. Bottom line is we have gone into the Ducks game the last two years with a decent shot and just laid down. It’s sad. We should be pissed with that defensive effort. Especially from Bray and Heyward. No one can tell me Idaho is better than us, Boise State we will see. We should expect better. Especially on our home turf.

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    Shockingly disappointed!!! Not that they lost but how bad they played/looked. The defense could have had 15 players on the field and still wouldn’t have been able to stop them. Very poor coaching in that I did not see any adjustments. I think it was a combination of the Ducks finally putting everything together and the Beavs played their worst game of the year. I can’t see their D playing any worse.

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      • There was no front 7. Not sure what game you were watching.

        There was a front 4, sometimes a front 3.

        But 7? The lbs were on their heels all game, including run plays.

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    This game could have been different if the River gambler hadn’t left the team gutted. But like I said we is who we is. Even the announcers talked about the recruiting difference (stars). I had hopes but reality is team was gutted and whole new coaching staff in place. I see potential for sure but we us who we is right now.

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    • I need to watch again when I’m not dodging customers… and while the d looked worked I’m curious how much was overmatched personnel and how much was new d coordinator Heyward

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        It was playcalling.

        We would stunt out dline out of holes on obvious running plays. Our dbs were playing soft coverage. We never blitzed. It’s like we had no lbs on the field.

        Not saying we beat them if we do show up to play, but that was us not showing up to play.

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    Predictably, Beaver Nation is freaking out that Bray and co. “couldn’t make adjustments”.

    The defense got worn down in the second half. Oregon’s front seven was able to get through a makeshift offensive line in the second half. Oregon’s secondary is faster and more experienced than all of our receivers. Adjustments can’t fix that, sorry.

    They’ll come back next week and beat a Purdue team that just had 66 hung on them.

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      The D got wore out in the second half? They were only on the field for 8 minutes in the first half! They were like a hot knife through butter! I couldn’t believe how bad they were. Couldn’t cover my mother-in-law and zero pass rush. Did the ducks even punt?

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      There’s some learning for a new hc here.

      You keep rushing four (or three?), and you take your LBs out of the game.

      And Gundy should have stuck to the run. Maybe we don’t catch them at that point. But you have to make them earn it.

      Way too many mistakes, some in critical situations.

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      -Makeshift O-line was a small factor, but a factor.
      -We wanted to see more passing than in the last two weeks; nike forced that by playing very good D.
      -Obviously, Beavs D gotta take most of the blame. Melvin Jordan IV gets it.
      -Hate to say it, but this was the most talented team the Beavs will face all year……season is not lost.
      -Home vs Purdue then bye week, just what this squad needs, Go Beavs!

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        That dude is awesome…post game “”To bring that trophy back to Pullman, it’s going to be in the third floor of the CFC if anybody wants to come out and see it. I think we might retire this trophy, I think this is a Pac-12 trophy. I think that might stay in our place for a long time.” Lol

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    Lots of questions for Gundy and the offenses pass game. That said, it’s all on the D today. Just a couple stops would have made a difference. Their play just sucked the wind out of everything.

    No punts
    No turnovers
    No turnover on downs
    Gave up about 9 years per play.
    They were on roller skates the whole game.

    They just need to flush this one way. Never happened. Move on. Trust me,

    I’ve been blocking out my defenses performances for years.

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        He definitely plays smarter and doesn’t get as rattled under pressure, but doesn’t come close in arm talent. DJUs liabilities are all related to his slow mental processing of the game.

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          I’ve seen both Jeff George and Jamarcus Russell play…both had million dollar arms and 10 cent brains, it’s not a winning combination

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    Obviously we are all unhappy, as there is a lot to not be happy with.

    That said, the only thing that truly worried me, was that we were never close to getting to Gabriel. No pressure what so ever.

    Idaho did from what I understand…

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    Everyone should be back to reality now. This is essentially a first year team/coaches attempting to rebuild from the ashes. My only concern is recruiting and if the new PAC-12 will continue the leave the cupboard with less and less talent. Otherwise, let’s see how the season plays out. I see a lot of good things so far.

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      I think the rebuild helps, actually. How do you recruit to all the uncertainty? There are benefits to a West Coast league, especially for West Coast recruits

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      • I should have rephrased I suppose, I mean more in line with no longer being P4/5 if our general talent starts declining as any remaining “P5” players graduate / move on. Maybe it doesn’t matter, I believe someone mentioned in a prior thread there is more talent out there than there is teams, just not “elite” talent.

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    I think everyone had this penciled as a loss pre-season. After the ducks last 2 games I figured there was an outside chance maybe we make a game of it. Who knew they would figure it out when we played them (probably should have seen that coming a mile away). Time for the team to regroup and learn from this.

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    I think we’ll learn a lot about Bray as a Head Coach this week. Needs to get his team up off the mat for a very winnable game against a power 5 opponent.

    Win that and you continue to build.

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    Big10 tried to give UCLA a soft entry into not the conference with a home game vs perennial bottom feeder Indiana but they are getting their teeth kicked in at the Rose Bowl lol. Have fun with that Bruins. It will only get worse from here.

    Bray and company need to start poaching some of those guys who want out of UCLA.

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    I thought Beavs would win this one. I underestimated Oregon… extremely talented and played great. The Beavs DL and OL were completely overmatched. I’m not sure if we can stop the run. DL looked small and slow today. I think our OL will bounce back but worried about DL.

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      They weren’t overmatched.

      They had no lb play on D, and the oline played fairly well.

      We just got sucked into playing their strength–passing D. Not sure why anyone thinks that passing the ball against them is better than even a three and out running the ball… which never happened.

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    You can’t win many games with no pass rush coupled with no downfield passing game. The longest pass play was 18 yds to Hankerson out of the backfield. The longest play to a wideout was 14 yds. That is not near good enough. Once the ducks started to clamp down on the mid range passing game it was almost impossible to move the ball. No reciever has shown the ability to stretch the D or get separation.

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      The ducks gave up 5 sacks total last year. They have 4 returners and likely 3 nfl players on their line. I thought there maybe could have been some more creative looks on the beavers defensive front but then you risk giving up more big plays. It

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        The ducks gave up 4 sacks to the Broncos, who were pressuring Gabriel all game. He had tons of time today. The beavs had no answer, either in scheme or in the one on one pass rush abilities of the defense.

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          We didn’t try to answer. I don’t recall our LBs getting any calls, except for the one play by Chisolm. It was like we had 7 players on D.

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          UO was also getting away with a ton of obvious holding calls on the oline, as well as grabbing the wrs a lot.

          I wasn’t going to get too upset about it, because we also weren’t getting called for that stuff, not that our dbs were close enough to their wrs to do any grabbing. I figured the refs just wanted to finish the game. But then they called one each of pi and holding on us, late in the game, and they weren’t nearly as egregious as the half dozen times the ducks did it.

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    Kind of crazy to go from a shutout to not a single stop. Ducks have what the top 5 highest payroll? I think that really shows the most on the lines.

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      Us rushing four or less the whole game shows the most on their oline. Their D line is slightly better than last year.

      They still look like a college football team.

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    Can OSU stop playing these guys? The talent gap has never been wider than it is now, and it will only get worse as time goes on. Quit playing this bloodbath game when it only benefits our rival! There’s absolutely no benefit to OSU by playing Nike in football anymore. How much is OSU getting paid to play NIKE? If it’s for $5 million, it might be worth it for department revenue. Please let this be the last time and never look back! It only benefits them. If OSU needs the money from a bloodbath type of game, then schedule an upper SEC team and get a payout. OSU looks more like a high school team versus an NFL team when they play NIKE. Why even schedule Oregon in football? Most fans that I’ve spoken to don’t want it anymore under the current circumstances. They left us, not the other way around.

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      ?

      What talent gap?

      There’s our D not showing up to play, but that isn’t some talent gap. If they played like that against Idaho State, ISU boat races us.

      I do like Huard trying to show how “dominant” Burch is by showing the replay of him bull-rushing GCL, and saying GCL was “blocking for his life” in the process… on a screen pass. It’s like the guy has never watched football before. But it’s probably forgivable, since the announcers weren’t even at the game.

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    OSU had almost no choice but to schedule this game, and they will have even less “choice” about the matter next year. It’s already clear that Barnes will have a harder time pulling together a schedule in the last “bridge” year (2025) than he did this time because he doesn’t have the Mountain West alliance to work with. This year’s game was mostly about the revenue, but a lot about just staying visible, and the optics were okay for a half. As for all things in this conference realignment situation the Beavs found themselves in, OSU is buying time. I’ve always thought Jack had the right call on this: play the Civil War as long as WE need it to in the short term, and then re-evaluate when things stabilize

    The mismatch in talent this year was obvious, but I’ve seen even more talented OSU teams get beat by Bellotti, Kelly and a couple of those other guys who cycled through Eugene by worse margins and in more disappointing circumstances. This year’s match up was an unfortunate mixture of circumstances: OSU–new coaching staff in charge of a rebuild versus Oregon–returning staff and a stacked roster, in part because they are at the highwater mark of NIL roster acquisition. You have only to look at the Apple Cup (historically, an even greater year to year mismatch than the Civil War, at least until the Nike era, where they became parallel) to put yesterday’s game in Corvallis into proper context. As Angry once said (when he was engaged in truly critical thinking about the state of Oregon State athletics that is this site’s supposed brand, and not this passive aggressive schtick that passes for his commentary these days) OSU’s true benchmark for self-measurement has always been the program up in Pullman–land grant institution with a smaller donor base. On Saturday, with coaching continuity, greater maintenance of roster from last year than the Beavs against a new UW coaching staff and on the road besides, the Cougs won. IF WSU can beat and stay competitive with UW, (sufficient so as to win from time to time) OSU can do the same with Oregon in some cycles. Just not this one.

    [Side note query: did Smith ever beat WSU? I know there was a certain game he blew by going for it on 4th down]

    Speaking of the Cougs (administration, fans, adjunct media), they have always struck me as more truly “Angry” about what UW did to them than the way OSU comported themselves publicly vis a vis UO. Dickert’s claim that the Apple Cup (the trophy, not the game) is a Pac-12 asset and never leaving Pullman, is emblematic of this. And what a great day it must have been for Kirk Schultz. It’s now clear that the WSU game in Boise will be their biggest game of the year because if they go 12-0 (and there’s little reason to think now that they’re not likely to win in Corvallis), it should get them an at-large berth in the CFP. That’s a circumstance we can all relish.

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      I had every intent yesterday of sitting at homw and watching the Beav-Duck game and seeing the Beavs get a ‘w’, but circumstances came up where I ended up in Lumen Field. It was a great game from the Coug perspective and you can really tell how far Washington has fallen off: that 4th and 1 in the last minute would have been the dagger in the Coug’s heart last year as the dawgs had the talent. I think every Big10 team is going to want film from that game to see how to play Washington from here on out as it doesn’t get any easier for them.

      I think the Beavs are going to have a tough time with WSU and are really going to have to show improvement week to week. Don’t know what it says about Purdue getting blown up by ND yesterday, but I am hopeful that they aren’t feeling too good about their prospects in Reser next weekend. I hope the Beavs are angry and hungry for a win next week.

      Incidentally, there were no announcements in Lumen of any scores from other college games given. Not sure what’s up with that. Also got to see a Coug-Dawg brawl in the stands, too; there is a lot of hate between these two teams. There is no question that Oregon and Washington did screw OSU and WSU over in this ‘realingment’ despite what they say publicly. Will we ever know the full story?

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    Wake Forest bought their way out of a re-match with Ole Miss in 2025. Look for them to show up on the WSU or OSU schedule. One reason the Pac 2 didn’t want to spend all their reserves on acquiring MW schools is that they needed some cash to bring in schools like WF for 2025 and maybe beyond.

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    Lots of redshirt and true freshmen played on defense yesterday, and it showed. We’re going to see this upcoming week what kind of leaders Melvin Jordan and Skyler Thomas are.

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    How’s that “greener” grass out there, fellas?

    So far this season:
    Silas Bolden (TEX) – 5 catches, 34 yards, 1 TD
    Damien Martinez (MIA) – 29 carries, 159 yards, 1 TD
    DJ Uiagalelei (FSU) – 56/99 56.6%, 666 yards, 1 TD/2 INT, 23 carries, -14 yards
    Aidan Chiles (MSU) – 46/82 56.1%, 650 yards, 4 TD/5 INT, 17 carries, 47 yards, 2 TD
    Jack Velling (MSU) – 6 catches, 82 yards, 0 TD
    Easton Mascarenas-Arnold (USC) – 6 solo tackles, 0 PD, 0 sack, 1 INT
    Sione Lolohea (FSU) – 1 solo tackle, 0.5 sacks
    Jermod McCoy (TEN) – 4 solo tackles, 1 PD, 0 INT

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    I guess I don’t need to watch the DVR this morning!
    Sadly, I think this agreement to rebuild the Pac 12 will only institutionalize the talent gap. Our only hope was to merge with a power 4 conference. Wazzu made their case and it looks like we got our asses handed to us.

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    The defensive front got blown out. A pretty clear size, speed and talent gap throughout. But really, I just want the Beavs to play as well as they can. There were some obvious mistakes against the Ducks, some things they couldn’t overcome – but Oregon State has been here before.
    It will be difficult recruiting to the “new” Pac-12. Players would rather play on a dog-ass team in the Big10 or SEC if only to get on tape playing against NFL-caliber talent. Primary need at this point is to build up both offensive and defensive lines in the weight room. I have no problem continuing the “Rivalry Game” – seriously, can’t they get Spirit Mountain or Columbia Sportewear to sponsor a trophy? It brings the state together in its own weird way.

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      Fuck UO.

      They owe us the two years for schedule filling, then they can screw off, as they originally intended.

      When you play four in the box, this is what a game is going to look like.

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      I don’t understand our defensive game plan??? Was very bland, even passive. I’ve heard Bray say to keep plays in front of them, but it just seem like they conceded every pass down. I would rather go down swinging playing aggressive than dying by a thousand cuts! And what happened to Gundy’s explosive play offense?!?!

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