I keep having to explain to my delusional hole fan friends that what they think makes that job the best thing in the world (uncle Phil’s $$$) is actually what makes no successful coach want the job. Nobody wants a team owner butting in and telling them how to do their job.
The one upside I see to this is possible continuity in assistant coach staff and trying to hold onto recruits. Current players seem to like the guy. But I can’t think of too many times that the player-favorite coach turns out to be a good hire.
It’s like Mullens is over-correcting on the Taggart hire by promoting from within.
New to this site. I’ve had enough. I wrote President Ray today. I’m so sick and tired of having to defend moronic decisions this administration makes or doesn’t make. Riley should have been fired well before OSU finally found the gumption to axe him. Then they bring him back? College football is laughing at Oregon State. If you’re frustrated, then write Dr Ray. We need to become a voice to be heard.
Didn’t 9 take time in his presser to talk about him and DE standing on the field while yelling at each other and how he didn’t think that would work so well now?
Since the traffic is running hot and heavy I’m curious. How many of you have donated to AB? I sent a donation a couple of months ago. It only seems fair to support the man who provides us all countless hours of “sportsertainment”.
I don’t have a clue what bit coin or entherium are nor do I have or use Pay-pal. Angry and I easily worked out an alternative for those of you, like me, that live in the dark ages.
Maybe append a brief Yes, No or pending to your next submission. JB
Where did you learn your investment strategies? Call them and ask for a refund.
I guarantee there are people out there buying it on margin. They will soon be called. Worse yet, they’ll transfer it to some unsuspecting fools on the open market and leave them holding the collective bag.
I know what you mean. If I’m looking at the OSU football program as a potential investment, I see all this and run away screaming for all to stay away from it. They eschew best practice to instead provide a safety net for quitters.
No business succeeds with that kind of poor management.
Petti, thanks for bringing up this sensitive topic.
Should I make an entire post dedicated to explaining the new button and goals, etc? I don’t want to make a spectacle of it so I haven’t.
Basically, the blog now accepts paypal. My hope/goal is people will read a post, think “I liked that post; it had value; someone worked to write it”, then donate a buck or two for each one they like. Some people are very generous and give more. Some people will freeload. Some people even whine, like that GoBeavers guy. This is life. But anyway, this will be the model going forward. It’s a mixed bag. Everyone is entitled to do what they wish. The more people donate, the more it fuels site expansion and writing, so that’s why I like this model. It puts the site in users hands to a degree where everyone is invested.
Looks like he’s evaluating which coach he wants as his DC. He could be allowing coaches per mutual agreement to not be hired on until after their bowl games are played, similar to Frost at Nebby.
UO-Eugene doubles down on their one strength: recruiting. Good for them. Honestly, that will probably keep them around at least .500 for a while. They should have learned from their glory days and hired a pure football guy who understands the importance of having assistants that can recruit well. Maybe in a few years when they get tired of mediocrity.
Cristobal’s record isn’t terrible, and he has 5 more years of HC experience than JS (oddly enough, last year was his only year as a coordinator, and a co-coordinator at that.) I have a hard time seeing why this is any worse of a hire than ours.
The only thing I can see is that he stunk it up as a HC then went to work for Saban for a few years. I’m sure he learned some things in that time, one way to find out if it was enough.
As I understand he achieved, regressed and then sort of got shit canned unexpectedly. I always thought there was a little more to the story because wasn’t he a native son? I remember that angle being played up when he got FIU to a bowl game.
He took over the worst program in FBS and went to a bowl game with 8 wins in Year 3. They regressed and he got fired after Year 5, but did make two bowl games.
I think that 1-11 record in Year 1 skews things a bit.
It’s not a home run hire by any means, especially with Sumlin available. I still think it’s a C+, just like the JS hire.
I think he meant Cristobal and put the parenthetical in the wrong place. Or he has it in the right place and needs to just make it a sentence instead of a parenthetical.
Hayward staying in Eugene will be very disappointing but not surprising. Probably gets more money there and definitely gets more exposure. He wants to be a HC some day.
Playing for Oregon State, coaching OSU players, and then deciding to be at UO because they offer more money is not Riley’s fault. In fact everything that makes you upset, contrary to this circle-jerks belief, actually isn’t Mike Riley’s fault
Wait? There is only so much money in the pool for assistants so while its not Riley’s fault. If Riley got enough money (and I doubt he did) to make it impossible to win a bidding war for Heyward than it wouldn’t directly be Riley’s fault but it would be indirectly on the hiring of Riley.
I can’t imagine we’d lose a bidding war for Heyward b/c of Riley. Riley can’t be getting that much given that Nebby is on the hook for so much. Smith made an error naming him AHC, though, because that position demands higher salary than DB coach. Correct me if I’m wrong.
He mentioned D staff to be hired over the upcoming weeks and he’d rather be late than wrong (I don’t disagree with that philosophy). Can’t think of anything else noteworthy. Parker tossed him soft balls.
“The schematics, the game planning, the recruiting, the (talent) evaluation, that’s going to be 85 percent of his job,” Smith said. “I think 15 percent will be if I’m not certain on an approach, him and Jim (Michalczik) will be the ones I turn to.”
Obscure titles only offer the opportunity for bigger salaries for recruiters. I don’t get the feeling he’s on any staff for his actual (Xs & Os) coaching abilities.
I wonder why Leavitt was not considered for the Quack job? He’s not going to be KSU’s head coach as long as Bill Snyder still has a pulse (and has a son). Leavitt seems like a stronger candidate than Cristobal unless he’s still considered damaged goods?
Seriously, though, they probably went to vett him and ran through their checklist only to find out from their insurance that he’s a huge liability, and it would be fine to hire him if they were willing to pay X amount.
That’s unfair to Leach. He would be the same because of his continued persistence with his lawsuit. What carrier isn’t going to look at that and not shuffle all the financial liability to the client?
Given his more clearly defined role of game planning, schematics, player evaluation, recruiting….hell, what will JS be doing? I thought Riley was going to be more fan advisor..based on his description of duties….yikes. I’m afraid of no innovation and, 3yards and a pile of turf, and immobile 6’6″ QBs…I hope I’m wrong but the only thing it appears we’re lacking now is langsdorf as the offensive coordinator. I’m all for Riley as an advisor but not the role just defined….Riley’s brand of football went extinct 10 years ago. I thought they might be setting Riley up for the next AD but certainly doesn’t sound like it now. I hope this doesn’t backfire in JS. I will take a wait and see approach but had no idea that Riley will influence game planning and schematics…golly gee…I hope he brings back Friday night ice cream feeds too…those are wonderful per game preps. If it was me. I’m doing steak and UFC for my teams pregame ….none of this ice-cream social BS. I’m leaning more toward your position angry now that the cat is out of the bag. However, I’m a huge Mike Parker guy.
Okay, I believe their are some misquotes out there. I believe Smith was saying that 85% of all of that are his duties and he’d go to Riley and the OL coach for the other 15%.
“The schematics, the game planning, the recruiting, the (talent) evaluation, that’s going to be 85 percent of his job,” Smith said. “I think 15 percent will be if I’m not certain on an approach, him and Jim (Michalczik) will be the ones I turn to.”
There is the quote, to me it is quite clear that JS is saying that is 85% of “his” job meaning 85% of Smith’s job.
From Moran’s article which mirrors the way I heard it: “But he did express that Riley will have a very hands-on role with the team, highlighting his recruiting ties throughout California.
“The schematics, the game planning, the recruiting, the (talent) evaluation, that’s going to be 85 percent of his job,” Smith said. “I think 15 percent will be if I’m not certain on an approach, him and Jim (Michalczik) will be the ones I turn to.”
Clear to me that JS expects any “advisor” role of MR to only take up 15% of MR’s time. Beyond that 15% the new Assistant HC will be taking a “very hands on role”.
Don’t understand any other way of interpreting JS’s words.
They both seemed to land on saying it was “meh” which is definitely not what you said! It’s closer to what I said. “I don’t like it but people here are overreacting.”
I don’t have a problem with people not buying into the hire. Out is an opinion site, that is what should be done. My specific problem is the harping on a narrative and the bashing on anyone that doesn’t share the opinion. By calling our new coach by the Riley name you are just trying to reinforce the narrative that there is no success path here.
I still believe we should be discussing what success looks like rather than just declaring defeat. I would argue that Riley had success for his first 10 years at OSU then lost his edge (I would think he got passed by and wasn’t willing to change). He should have been fired. A good HC and a good assistant is a different thing. I no longer think MR is even a serviceable HC, but I could see him being ok in this role.
I see the path here is that JS may be successful here but there will be bumps along the road and you and this site will need to crucify him to complete the narrative. I see this as the same problem with pre-season polls.
By calling our new coach by the Riley name you are just trying to reinforce the narrative that there is no success path here.
I agree and disagree. On the one hand, it’s immature. On the other, it doesn’t come close to how poor this decision was.
There is no success path here until next year at this point. We just have to wait for 9 to come to his senses, then we’ll hear how MR suddenly got a “better” job somewhere else. If the joke continues, reset that clock another year out at the beginning of next year.
If only college football was won with entitled rich kids who grew up getting paying time because they were the coaches’ sons.
They were critical of it (there’s stuff to be critical of!) but that doesn’t mean they think it fucking sucks or hate it. If you listened to them you’d know that. lol
You hear what you wanna hear though!
I also said I didn’t like it. I have reasons to be critical of the decision. That doesn’t mean they or I agree with you that it’s a “Jonathan Riley” disaster.
You should start a thread or some conversation here about the disaster waiting to happen for OSU if they don’t get Heyward or Lake for DC. Option 1 being Heyward but if that fails they need to go hard after Lake.
Deathly afraid Beavs could lose out on Heyward and then end up settling hardcore with Hall as DC which would be a disaster. Defense got much worse when he got “more involved” with the defense. Hall needs to be DB coach and a Cali recruiter and definitely not DC or Beavs will be routinely giving up 40+ points.
Riley with likely a fairly non gameday impactful role but OC and DC have more direct influence on game decisions than anyone. OSU needs to be spend the $ to get Heyward, Lake or even the other UW DC should Heyward not make it home to join his Fiesta Bowl teammate and HC Smith.
Angie points out Heyward would be at OSU if Smith names him DC. Sounds like Smith is snoozing and losing on that one, and Sidd was right, but Smith messed it up.
OSU sent out the full court press for positive spin today. JoeBeaver show led with JS interview, then an effusive Petros Papadakis, then Ron Callan to end the show. Meanwhile Eggers was on in the Portland market to push the feel good garbage.
Luckily UO named their new coach and diverted attention from Riley later in the day.
We are being told to just get over Riley, and trust that everything will be great. OSU has lost touch with basic fandom. There will always be a dissenting perspective in any circumstance. But to disregard the protion of the fan-base that didn’t want Riley back the 2nd time while doubling down and bringing him back the 3rd time is too much.
I had hoped that OSU would be able to completely cut ties from the Riley coaching tree, influence and legacy. Start fresh with new vision, energy and quality. Now we are going to be locked into this for at least another 10 years. If those old boosters who are so locked into Riley were in there 50’s in 1998, they will be entering their 80’s in 10 years, and diminishing in numbers. But where does that leave OSU football?
If I give in and try to believe that JS has a plan, then my expectation is for:
Heyward DC, Breckterfield DL, Micheal Johnson QB/WR,
What are you afraid of? Do you think Riley is going to steal the whistle and play calling menu and take over the team? Sounds like unstable paranoia. He’s going to coach a position, get into living rooms and be a sounding board for JS at a bargain price.
Take emotion out of it and look at who we hired as a position coach. If this was butch jones, Kevin sumlin, or brett bielema, we’d think it was a great hire. I was done with Riley as a head coach but I’m secure enough to realize he’s a great addition as an assistant. And I’m pretty certain that I don’t accept mediocrity in any facet of my life. In fact they just named a port o potty after me in the south end zone. ~ John
Well emotion is out of it for me now. I see who was hired and it is more concerning than encouraging. If Riley proves to be a great asset then so be it, but I have my doubts.
As for accepting mediocrity, OSU has already invested in mediocrity, by settling for the hometown hire. When you bring up Sumlin as position coach, rather than as a valid option as HC, that is part of my concern.
Riley may have his merits, but he also has his flaws, which are glossed over by most who support him. Whether the flaws or the merits influence JS is still to be seen.
Quite a bit of attention on DC and mostly on Heyward.
They made it sound like the 3 best scenarios would be,
1) Heyward as DC ( Bring him home. Made it clear will take being a minimum of Co-DC if not outright DC)
2) Jimmy Lake. (Angie said would be a very good consolation as he is a great recruiter.)
3) Heyward and Bray as Co-DCs
All 3 above work for OSU. What I do not wany to see is Bray as DC by himself as that is the cheap and easy way out and more pandering to Riley’s guys and greater Riley influence. Bray did not even have good LB play this year at Nebby. I’d personally only concede a Co-DC for Bray with Heyward as primary if Heyward is down with it. To me priority should be Heyward or Lake and Bray gets to be LB coach and and the assistant Co-DC if either of the two primary targets are cool with it.
They also harped on OSU needing ace recruiters at this point as a primary focus of completing the staff and both Heyward and Lake are better recruiters than Bray. Heyward is very good in LA which would be a big boost for Beavs and Lake has been one of better Pac-12 recruiters last couple of years and would be a big get just like Heyward. Either of Heyward or Lake announced as primary DC and Beavs win with the hire. Neither and it has to be viewed as a considerable loss as recruiting is paramount.
Just listened to more Riley worship on the JB show. One caller says he had a track record of success everywhere he’s been. HUH?! San Diego and Lincoln would disagree.
So tired of fighting the aw shucks Riley-clinging, mediocrity-embracing mentality. So tired. Just everything with this damn program and fanbase is dispiriting and exhausting. This program will be a smalltime joke for the foreseeable future, and deservedly so.
And all the position groups he touches will be unicorns and rainbows just like our national championship days of yore… when Riley was the most awesomest recruiter ever… plu something about four NFL QBs.
Btw, Brad Otton says, “Hey! Thanks a lot!”
The punchline 9 chose to never stop giving.
I see many in the local media have gone all Dear Leader for 9 since he’s chosen MR to be his shadow coach. I suppose the best we’re going to get is to go back to Eggers printing excuse articles on a weekly basis.
You know what? If I had to choose between Simple Jack being in charge of “schematics and game planning” and Banker being a position coach I’d take Banker all day.
Assistant coaches aren’t getting hired out of a pool of applicants. Smith finds someone he wants, offer is extended, and by law, that hire has to submit an application. That’s the reason the deadline keeps getting extended. Application period has to be open for Smith’s hire to submit the application.
So by that two scenarios are possible…. the bad and the ok one….. bad he can’t find anyone who he wants that wants the job or two the ok one is that the coach he wants is under contract until after a bowl….. like maybe the Vegas bowl…. that would be the scenerio I hope for…..
While I agree and understand this, the extensions still indicate he isn’t getting his top choices to come to OSU and/or is taking a really long time identifying his top choices.
We use words like successful, mediocre, elite, etc. But those words are all subjective. I would love to see a thread where people quantify these things. I think some might call mediocrity while others would call them successful. On the other side of that coin, I would expect some would define success at the same levels that others would call unrealistic.
Success is a subjective term. Mediocre and elite are fairly objective.
Mediocre – from the Latin, meaning halfway up a mountain
Mediocre is better than average but never reaching great.
Elite – a typewriter type providing 12 characters to the linear inch
Wait… sorry.
Elite – the very best of a group
In college football, elite is playing a BCS-level game, whatever they call those now. I wouldn’t rely on rankings, because those are wholly subjective. But it’s hard to escape them when the football powers that be want biased crowd sourcing to be a part of their methodology.
Success is relative.
Question: When someone asks you, “How are you today?” do you say “good” or “well”? One of those is subjective.
9 knows what elite is, because he’s worked for Chris Petersen for years. CP is an elite coach, he knows how to recruit elite players and then put those players in a position to succeed on the field.
My only hope is that it’s so ingrained by this point that it’s the only way 9 knows how to operate and he won’t accept anything less from his assistants. Hope ain’t a plan. But that’s all we’ve got.
Correct. I know Jimi Hendrix is elite. Can I play like that? No. But I’m pretty damn good.
Still, spotting elite and executing are totally different beasts. I do think Smith can be successful. With Riley around, that drops his odds from 7/10 to 5/10.
I would define mediocrity at OSU football to be hanging around .500 and going to 3 or 4 lower tier bowls in 5 years. That would be an improvement to our current situation. I would define success as bowls 9 out of 10 years, top 2 in northern division 5 out of 10. I would consider elite to be 8 out of 10 years as top two in northern division.
Those are good definitions. Mediocrity, by definition, means “ordinary”. A .500 record is ordinary. it’s not hard to achieve that level. I made analogies to music above. It’s not hard to be a mediocre guitar player and learn a handful of chords. It takes about 3000 hours to achieve the next step of an intermediate to advanced player. It takes another 7000 hours to become a virtuoso. Mediocre is easy. I expect the Beavs to be back to 6 wins soon. Smith is bright. And it’s an easy move. Hell, one good QB can do it alone.
It’s those next steps that become increasingly difficult and where you need all the correct decisions, every second of every day.
There is a saying in music that practice doesn’t make perfect, but practice makes permanent. If you practice sloppy, all you do is ingrain permanent sloppy play. Every second spent on practice has to be mindful, focus, with a clear goal in mind to take those next steps. This is football, music, professions, etc.
We’ll see if OSU tries to double-dip in January, but I have moved all my gifting out of anything football related until the circus leaves town. The process for doing so was poorly desined or communicated. It almost sounds like I might need to get a new credit card to make them stop taking. I’m sure they’ll have it figured out by then.
I’m also not going to gift anything to hoops until the school makes season ticket selection based on seat licensing specific for the sport. I’m so tired of the football fans-not-fans gobbling up good seats then never showing up.
Taking weeks to put a staff together is unacceptable. I can accept Riley on the staff but I can’t figure out why they can’t get others hired. Even if you were waiting for Heyward (and I think that ship has sailed) you could still talk to him behind the scenes about the other candidates and get them hired.
We have commits in TX who haven’t even heard from the staff. Maybe they don’t want those recruits but you need to at least talk to them. And if you do want them you need to visit them.
I am on board with Smith as HC but I am getting concerned.
I think that in the past it did take weeks to put a staff together. This early signing day has really made teams hire much quicker than in the past.
I do hope he makes more hired pretty soon though. I had thought that this Wednesday seems like the absolute latest he could make the hires and if you look at the updated job postings the new anticipated start date is Monday 12/11 with the closing date Wednesday 12/13. Seems like we get things wrapped up in the next few days.
Maybe it was normal in the past, I guess I feel like any head coaching candidate should have a pretty good idea of who they want and who will take the job before they even interview for a HC job. The coaching fraternity is small, I could see it taking some time to find a RB coach but defensive coordinator should be done quickly. So that he can help put together the rest of the staff.
I don’t think it is for a lack of trying. Combo of factors here. First time head coach, a program that is a dumpster fire with an eternal flame and JS has been out connecting with recruits a lot so that eats time too. I just think it is what it is right now. But I’m not going to jam JS this soon.
See… before I stopped caring because of the poor decision by OSU to not tell 9 that some people will not be rehired, I would have been patient to respect the potential gets of a Heyward or Breckterfield.
I don’t expect anyone who’s okay with Riley’s hiring to understand this, but the perception of our program from a national view is one of pathos… on a good day. It would have been better to save his hiring for last of the assistants. Now prospective assistants have to weigh whether or not they want to work for Mike Riley and put that on their resumes going forward.
Jesus, you are an idiot. No coaches are turning down the job because Riley (who is respected in the coaching world even if people on this site dislike him) is on staff.
Believing Riley is preventing hires is a level of stupid only you could demonstrate.
(who is respected in the coaching world even if people on this site dislike him) – not so sure about that. I sometimes got the feeling other coaches, when doing coachspeak about an upcoming game, hadn’t already game planned for his well-known weaknesses – the ones he never would change. “We’re going to run the ball more.”
I seem to recall a game when Utah kept running the ball for major gains and a victory and, post game, their coach said he couldn’t understand why Riley didn’t stuff the box. Radio announcers for opposing teams often questioned what the Beavs were doing.
Look, I’m not going to argue this. If you want to believe Riley is not respected in the coaching field (they’re are always exceptions) than that is your call. Whatever fits your narrative I guess.
Yet again, you’re conflating the coach and the person. He is immensely knowledgeable about the game. But he cannot transfer that knowledge efficiently to the game. It’s like he can tell you every detail of every play when reviewing it, but he doesn’t pay attention to any details in real time.
Besides, I have it on good authority that a large swath of the coaching world knows Riley has tells. And I’m not talking about his team’s formations or communications. I’m talking about the coach standing on the sideline… who walks and positions himself this way or that when a certain play is called.
Yet again, you’re conflating the coach and the person. He is immensely knowledgeable about the game. But he cannot transfer that knowledge efficiently to the game
Jack is correct.
Maybe I can help people understand using an analogy. In music, there are people who are virtuosos on guitar, know music theory up to the jazz/classic levels, and by all accounts should be internationally well known masters performing in concert halls around the world. But they’re not. They’re in their basements shooting videos for YouTube, trying to eek out a living on there. Why? Because they lack the essential skill of applying knowledge in any musical way. These people know more and play better than the Beatles, yet nobody knows them. They essentially noodle, play fast, and don’t create coherent music ideas. Knowledge is almost worthless without the ability to apply it. It becomes trivia at that point.
This goes for any profession.
People don’t seem to understand that knowledge isn’t power. Applying knowledge in ways that add value is power.
The coaching community respects Riley because he’s a nice guy and has been in the business a long time. It’s the same respect you give to the neighbor’s old half blind terrier vs the respect you give 110# Rottweiler. One you actually have to worry about (Kelly, Harbaugh, Meyer) , the other you talk nice about and focus on the good things it does and ignore it’s one blind eye and the fact that it shits on the floor twice a week.
“…who is respected in the coaching world even if people on this site dislike him”
Not gonna speak to the coaching world, but a look at the Huskers “Boneyard” site shows a lot of love from fans for Riley’s character………just not at their school!! Some there feel he’ll be fine at OSU, where there are “such low expectations.”
BTW: several at the Boneyard are now acknowledging just how spot on were angry’s comments there when TPB’s took Riley off our hands.
Hmmm, is it legit to continue to call them “TPB’s”? I tend to think so, they blew three full seasons after all.
That’s the overall message from Nebby fan on his hire here:
Congrats Coach, going home to a place where they don’t care about crappy football couldn’t happen to a classier person. Best of luck to the nicest man I know.
That would be the narrative when the real, bonafide, joined-the-secret-club-and-know-the-handshake Oregon State Beaver die-hards would classify dissention, valid or otherwise.
No true Scotsman!
It has reached Dear Leader funkiness, not that it didn’t before. But high-level boosters were fed up before (to the point of having gathered his buy-out) and may look at this slap in the face as such. Who knows? Maybe they feel jilted by their university’s lack of standards, like some of us do. Or maybe they see his executive level pay as something manageable and transient.
It’s hard to buy the latter. It feels like a power play by the old guard, a literal slap in the face to the boosters who gathered the buy-out cash then augmented it in order to move it and pay for the VFC upgrade after Riley left.
I really don’t think Frost is going to take them to the glory years either. They may win a west division championship now and then, but Nebby’s time has passed, they just don’t realize it yet.
I’m think Frost does some damage at men by. His problems will come when the fans want helmet splitting run between the tackles football and get more twinkle toe spread type and can’t handle it.
“Dennis Erickson says he will not be part of Jonathan Smith’s staff at Oregon State. Doesn’t want to be looking over his shoulder. But that he will come to games.”
Riley doesn’t have this same decency to let Smith do his thing.
that’s right. we can’t let go because we care about the future of the OSU football program and we feel, check that, know that the decision to bring Riley back is portentous. Heck, even one of the great Riley apologist of all time–Angie Machado–has misgivings about it, calling the decision weird and prospects for next season “dire.” Now you just think of us as Jeremiahs but in truth we’re Cassandras
Even if you are right, spending the next 10 months bitching about it, isn’t gonna change anything.
And, I am gonna let you in on a little secret, just because you think you are right, doesn’t mean you are. You guys can’t predict the future.
And Angie’s dire prediction for 2018 had NOTHING to do with Riley, I agree she questioned the hire but that was not why she called prospects for next season dire. The prospects for next season are dire because the schedule for next season is brutal, not because Riley is on staff.
Prove it won’t change anything? I think Smith, Barnes, et al getting a barrage of emails showing how unpopular the hire is changes things. For example, if they thought everyone loved Riley, they now know many don’t. Sitting around and being quiet does nothing.
What is sad is how you’ve changed. You went on the NE forums and bashed Riley for how bad he is. And now you’re somehow rationalized this is a good hire, or at worst it won’t affect the team. Bizarre, dude.
They know that their is a vocal group that do not like Riley. But its also time to accept that that group is a vocal minority because it is. That is just reality.
Complaining isn’t gonna change anything, he is on the staff.
And I am not rationalizing the hire, I am not even particularly happy about the hire.
That said, I do think as a position coach he will likely do just fine and (this is where we differ) I don’t think he will infect the program.
If he were head coach I’d be losing my mind too. But he isn’t. He’ll be coaching TE’s or DB’s and probably do a decent job.
I also accept that Smith was probably always gonna go to him for advice (rather he was on the staff or not) so that was never something that was gonna be avoided.
My gripes with Riley were mostly about him as a HC, he isn’t the HC now so I have little reason to freak out over this.
Well we will know in year one. Dave in Tumwater made the point that the unit Riley coaches will likely be the worst unit in year one. If that’s true, do you come back admit error?
The only benefit to Riley that I see if he will get money from 80 year old delusional donors who think he’s the best they can do, and maybe make some recruiting inroads with old fashion homely moms who want a nice guy in charge of their kid.
As noted above, knowledge means shit unless the person knows how to apply the knowledge. This is especially true in the modern game where things move fast. Coaches adapt fast, figure things out, and counter (e.g. Chip’s offense seemed indefensible 10 years ago, and is basically obsolete now via it’s ubiquitous-ness at all levels of football. HS kids grow up seeing that offense, no surprises.) The true greats adapt and change with the profession they’re in. Riley never did, and that’s why the game passed him by long ago.
Vocal minorities are just that but rise in time. 10 years ago I was writing to one or two guys. Now my site is hitting 6 million views and thousands of readers. So I totally disagree with you. Yeah, it takes time and hard work, and we’re a minority, but if one person becomes enlightened every day, week, or even year then we’re winning slowly. Take Sprague and Machado…they loved Riley and defended him to the death for decades. When he left, they basically bashed him and said he was done and we needed change, and now they don’t like the hire. People are waking up. I don’t care if it takes forever or we’re a minority for now. I’m going about this methodically and letting BeaverNation know we don’t have to be losers. That’s my message. If they want to view it as negative, anti-their-prodigal-grandpa, etc, that’s a them problem (not a me problem – I want what is best for OSU), and you can only hope one day they are enlightened and see there are greener pastures. It just takes the right leaders and decisions and a vision lead by expectations rather than fear or comfort.
If they know there is a segment of OSU alums and boosters that see this slap in the face for what it is, then they can accept the consequences of their decision.
They’re adults, and they’re human. They did the wrong thing, and they will hear about it every day until they leave and we can get someone in our AD who can maintain simple standards for best management practices.
The “minority” of which you speak is not as minor as you think, and you will find this out with the rest of them. There are a lot of very silent, angry alums out there. Many of them were Mike Riley fans and think his performance was fine, albeit declining, when he told you and me and everyone that he’s just too good for OSU.
That hire was guaranteed to get this reaction every day that man is pulling down a six figure salary from my now nationally embarrassed school.
Every. Damn. Day.
That program did the wrong thing. It made its bed, and it can lie in it.
The “minority” of which you speak is not as minor as you think, and you will find this out with the rest of them. There are a lot of very silent, angry alums out there.
So true.
That program did the wrong thing. It made its bed, and it can lie in it.
Also true. OSU has to run the Minnesota Twins model. We’re a small market team that needs to execute with 100% efficiency — all the right decisions to rise above the blue bloods. With Barnes, Riley, Ray, and all the idiots in charge, that simply will not happen. Smith is bright and has good ideas, and that’s the sad thing. Not sure they will blossom as they should due to the other folks around him.
Honesty from Angry is refreshing. He will never admit if his opinion was wrong. Many years of bashing Riley (plenty of which was justified) had caused an emotional hatred of the man. The narrative is now set, JS will be a failure regardless of the results.
Jack is just just stuck on this HR issue. Moral litmus test that he is going to press forever.
You think loyalty, respect and honor are HR issues.
You think vaporizing your principles for this guy is okay, because this guy is just awesome… or maybe because you think 9 is Dear Leader… and we won’t make the same mistakes that 99.9% of everyone else made when they made the same poor decisions that eventually bit them in the asses and made poor decisions like these known to be poor, thus making them common sense standards… because we’re smarter than 99.9% of everyone ever.
I’m not buying.
I will never budge on loyalty, respect or honor. I will fail at some of them at various times. But I will make my failures whole, and that has never included me inserting myself in the life of those I’ve wronged.
There is just so much wrong about this situation. But now we’re stuck with it for at least a year.
For anyone who wants to trot out the “careful what you wish for” canard, who do you blame for the last three years? Do you blame GA? You’d be correct. Do you also blame the guy who ditched us, causing us to search for a new coach?
You had better gawd damned do that, or you’re a friggin’ hypocrite.
He took the easy way out twice, and he got rewarded twice. A better than mediocre coach who had yet to show disloyalty might have taken us to greater heights on the wave of enthusiasm DE left. This is a coach who took that enthusiasm and drove it into the dirt. He needed a come to Jesus talk with a mega-booster to finally start working.
And when that mega-booster died, he honored the man by going back to skating.
You do what you want with this program. Enjoy it, or don’t.
If you want to talk about OSU football, I’ll be stuck on this until OSU football is no longer stuck on this.
Unfortunately, Ken Goe has a platform and he thinks the Riley rehire is great and also gave himself kudos for saying that those who wanted Riley gone three years ago were being short sided. He is sort of gloating in his article.
As bad as Andersen was, he was worth the risk and refreshing. Does anyone who actually “gets it” (unlike Goe) think Andersen was a bad hire? In retrospect, sure, but at the time, no. I still have no regrets about it. Big reward requires big risk. Mediocrity doesn’t require much risk at all.
Andersen’s flaws were (a) he never found a QB, which I noted in early 2015 as the only reason he’d fail and (b) he allegedly impregnated female who wasn’t his wife/drank too much.
The cupboard is more full now than when Riley left. We just need a QB and D maturity/leadership.
Cheerleader. That’s why he’s gone.
Rumored to be skirt-chaser at WI, too, which could explain the bolting from there.
Caveat for legal reasons. 99.99999999999999~% sure.
Infinitesimal/asymptotic chance I’m wrong. You can understand now why Sprauge was shocked with his vague tweet that he was too cowardly to elaborate on.
Whatever happened with the whole weird mess, I hope the truth comes out. The national narrative is that the OSU job is so impossible, the coach walked away from 12 million dollars just to get out of it. Which is bullshit.
It’s funny how the Oregon media is acting like Riley’s tenure at Nebraska never existed. His coaching philosophy and style drove that program backwards in just three short years. Mike Riley is accountable for that! For all of Bo Pelini’s faults he never won less than nine games. Riley had two losing seasons out of three. If Jonathan Smith needs Riley’s mentorship then in my opinion he’s not ready for the job!
And also 38 years old is not that young, NFL coaches out there who are younger than Smith. If Smith is not completely ready than Barnes was an idiot not to go with the DE as head coach/Smith coach-in waiting idea when he had the chance to take it.
Or Baldwin….you’d get the PNW ties/culture and not the nepotism and insecurity that Smith is showing. I’ve never heard a coach say he needs an old guy around as a mentor. It’s weird. I like Smith. I don’t like the latent insecurity he’s showing.
this is driving me crazy. nebraska was a perfect example of Riley going to another team completely blank slate and wham, they suck–in an impressively short amount of time. I’ve heard rationalizations like it “wasn’t a good fit.” How was it not a good fit? He actually had more opportunity to win given all the resources and what not. And he literally drove it over a cliff. The fans even liked his personality so “not a good fit” is just rationalizing him actually being a BAD COACH and a paycheck collector.
Another thing that’s driving me crazy is everyone calling him a “good guy” over and over. Honestly, he’s just someone who knows the right things to say to get people to like him and give him money. If he were an actual good guy he would realize his time is up and he would stay far away from coaching.
Yeah, I can become a good guy in one post: sorry for being so negative. Everything is going to be golden moving forward. We made the best hires possible. Derp derp derp. Gee golly.
The thing that is being mixed here is that Riley is not the head coach here. He is finished as a head coach. Angry had been right about that for years. He was a bad hire for Nebraska. He should have been fired from OSU. We can all agree on that. An assistant position is different. He may be out of gas and be a failure as an assistant as well and I will certainly admit it if he is.
The silly thing is that regardless of the actual results in the field, Riley will be blamed on this site for any problems. When you have a bias, supporting data is easy to find.
Sorry, but the national perception of Riley as Jon Boy’s training wheels is a done deal. You’re aim ain’t true. If 9 fails, it will be Riley’s influence. If he succeeds, it will not be due to his own coaching acumen.
This, if anything, should have been clear on day 1.
You are 100% wrong about perception being only here. Our local, regional and national media blurbs have all been talking about Mike Riley being rehired. 9 is talking about his hire of Mike Riley. Everybody is talking about OSU rehiring Mike Riley.
The reports are innocuous in themselves. But 9 is no longer the news at OSU according to just about everyone out there.
Then you get into the fan forums and comment sections… hoo boy!
We’re a joke nationally.
The perception here is not that we’re a joke. It’s that our AD has zero control over the football program anymore, and the outcome of that disarray is predictable–national perception being a part of that.
Everybody was ecstatic when GA was hired. It was like we hit the lotto. The only question was why he would leave such a great situation in Madison? It seemed too good to be true and it turned out it was.
The irony was Bielema was hosing everything in sight in Madison before he got married and one of the reasons he left was his new wife got sick of all the rumors and running into all of his ex conquests.
1. beat up about his constant “OSU is a crap school who can never get anyone good” narrative.
2. a moron.
I’m surprised he isn’t wagging his ass in front of fifth graders who dare to wear Beav swag in public. That’s about the persona I get from his writing… probably with alcohol involved.
I was reading the link Angry posted to that Nebby Boneyard site……….what the fuck? Are they 9 years old……”no cussing is allowed here”. I would still call them “poor bastards”, they still don’t seem to know what hit them with Riley. I’ve always hated Nebraska football, I hope Frost peaks out at about nine wins also. They should just prop Osborne up on the sideline and run the wishbone, it’s the only thing that will make them happy.
I’m not convinced Frost is as good as they think. Way better than Riley, so they got an upgrade and should be happy. But if they want NCs Frost isn’t given them that.
They’re dorks. They say not to curse, then they lash out like lunatics the moment you try to simply warn them Riley is bad.
Just speculating but I think it’s like identity politics, they identify him as part of their in-group and they are like that themselves. That’s why they get so offended when people attack Riley–because it’s like an attack against themselves.
You need to understand basic human psychology. I’ve never taken one psych course in my life, but I “get it” naturally for whatever reason (not to brag, I just find people so simple to see through).
People want to feel optimistic and good. It beats feeling down, realistic, or negative.
This is why people rationalize difficult situations.
Hell, I can rationalize why Riley is a good hire. It just takes a few “what if”/”best case” scenarios based on things that happened ~ 10-20 years ago to formulate that rationalization.
That goes both ways. For some reason some people think that rationalizing is only for people that want positive outcomes. Isn’t it possible you have been critical for so long that you no longer even like the Beavers?
COACHING STAFF: Does anyone think Smith still has a shot at Heyward? I’d like to buy the thought that it is just a matter of waiting till their bowl game but there is this from the Red Guard:
“Jim Leavitt will likely join Taggart in Florida State after being passed over for Oregon’s head coaching position, but defensive line coach Joe Salave’a, safeties coach Keith Heyward and cornerbacks coach Charles Clark are expected to return.“
Is Keith Heyward tight with Smith (or even Riley)? Just looking at this from a current view, why would he return? Is it the relationships? As it stands, why wouldn’t Heyward want to wait and see what Leavitt does and get promoted to DC at Oregon? I don’t like to deal in fantasy, like those who speculated about Sumlin coming here as OC and that kind of bullshit. My reality says there’s no reason for Heyward to come to Oregon St unless Leavitt is staying at Oregon.
The Heyward situation is simple: he wants to be a HC one day, and he will follow the path that leads to that. If OSU offers him DC and Oregon doesn’t, he’ll go to OSU.
He should have been offered DC by Oregon State a week ago. Determine your top two targets ( Heyward and Lake by far the best two) and go get one of them.
The problem lies in 600K amount they are hoping for is too low and this blog was full of people saying it needed to be 750-800K if Beavs wanted a legit exciting name who is also a top recruiter.
Instead Beavs will overpay someoone like Bray who shoild earn 200-250K as LB coach and nake him a n undeserving DC because he’ll be all over the 600K cause it is above his true worth.
OSU would rather save 150K on tbe wrong guy for the job then get the right man for the job and pay him proper market value. The GAP analysis Barnes and Ray said they did to determine what it will take to get top coordinator talent to OSU is B.S.
Heywards assistant coach contract doesn’t allow him to talk to us, which would just cost us more money in the end. I don’t think bray will get anything but LB coach. The guy from Wyoming I think will get it if Heyward doesn’t take it.
Kevin O’Neill is sort of a douche, but he nailed it. Speaking about the Beavs, “if this team doesn’t rebound and play defense it’s going to be hard for them to compete in this league”. He also ripped on Eubanks for taking plays off.
It seems like game after game, some no name mid-major guard has the game of his life from three point land against this team because they can’t or don’t defend the line. If Tinkle is coaching, his team doesn’t listen.
Less of a douche because he was actually speaking the truth about the Beavers. Funny thing is I think someone higher up in the P-12 Network got the word down to him to knock off the criticism because he really lightened up in the second half. He was brutal on the team in the first half.
Eggers: When did Riley say he wants to be the Joe Pa of the West?
“Mike’s said he wants to be the Joe Paterno of Oregon State,” DeCarolis said. “So we’ll put something together to make (his contract) a lifetime deal.”
Lifetime deal was Riley’s idea and Jo Pa of the West was also first conceived by Riley. Both were really bad ideas it turned out.
Doesn’t gave anything to do with bow except Eggers sending tweets out like Riley has never said it or believed it. Riley continues to show he will gladly take a paycheck from Oregon State as long as they let him. 70 or more years old and he’ll still be trying to pull this sh*t. Nothing at Nebraska said hire this guy. It screamed run away.
Exactly right, Eggers is outright saying the Joe Pa thing never existed. Continuing to build the narrative that Riley is the only one who can guide this program. I used to think Eggers was a good source, but like others, it is a “consider the source” thing with him now.
Speaking of, how soon till Lindsay finishes her pile of doughnuts and pens a piece on the return of St. Mike?
So Riley is now senile and will sit in the box with headphones on, reflecting on curiosities of how a man could molest children and no one said anything?
This was the first I’d seen of anything on Riley’s upcoming role:
“”The schematics, the game planning, the recruiting, the (talent) evaluation, that’s going to be 85 percent of his job,” Smith said. ”
That doesn’t sound like a minor role, even in some sort of advisory capacity. Reading that, all of the concerns voiced here are very valid. At least he didn’t include adjustments and time outs….
OT: I don’t track the Heisman stuff much, but I saw that Baker Mayfield’s only scholarship offer was WSU….also noted that Stanford has consistently had players garner significant Heisman votes the last several years. Guessing that includes Luck(?), McCaffery, and now Love. Pretty impressive for them to get players in there consistently.
OT: Anyone watch Army/Navy? Read like an interesting game and only three passes….”three yards and a cloud of snow?”
It was the best game I have ever seen. Two option teams battling it out on the ground, no passing. Dang thing only took about two hours to play. Football as it was meant to be.
Technically, Riley could do 1% of the game planning, 1% of the talent evaluation 1% of the recruiting and do 85% of his job (as long as he does 0.7% of something else). That would be a minor role.
Not saying that’s how it’s going down but it is consistent with the statement.
Smith’s comment that “I don’t know what I don’t know” didn’t sit right with me either. He’s been an OC for several years and I assume he has been closely observing how Chris Petersen (one of the best) conducts business. What doesn’t Smith know that Riley needs to show him? Where the best bike paths in Corvallis are?
I mean, if Smith had just said something like I’m hiring Mike Riley to coach quarterbacks, I could sort of live with that, but it’s the overt “I need a mentor” stuff that has me concerned. Even if Smith feels that he’s not quit ready, he shouldn’t be tipping his hand about it. DE has the right attitude with the “he doesn’t need me looking over his shoulder” comment. Maybe Smith reached out to DE and for Smith’s own good, DE said no. Unfortunately, Smilin’ doesn’t have that perspective.
Why does that concern you? I think it demonstrates a level of self awareness, this is his first head coaching job, no matter how much he observed Peterson, they’re are gonna be things that come up that he never envisioned. I much prefer a leader that recognizes he doesn’t know everything already than one that claims he does (when he clearly doesn’t).
But what about MR’s actions (not words) can 9 learn? Anything good should already be a part of his process as learned from a vastly superior coach in Petersen. He now gets to regress compared to who his mentor was. What’s he going to learn… how to take the edge off your team and make them look soft and apathetic?
Who ever said “self awareness” was a good trait in a football coach, anyway! Look, he’s almost 40 years old and has been coaching for 15 plus years, he doesn’t need Riley even though he thinks he does. Why can’t Riley and DE for that matter just be a phone call away? I’d like to see the cord cut, but it didn’t happen. As in all that we speculate about on here, time will once again be the indicator.
EVERYBODY doesn’t know what they don’t know — and that’s exactly the stuff that can bite (or in things like combat) kill you. I’ve no problem at all with someone who is aware of that as long as he doesn’t let it freeze him when a decision is needed.
Erickson comments on Smith and cristabol hires:
“Hire a good staff. That’s the most important thing,” Erickson said. “One advantage I had over both those guys, I’d been around the block. I had a lot of contacts throughout the country. The coaches I had were experienced guys. Make sure you get the right guys. Guys that are loyal to you. That’s the most important thing, guys who will go to the end with you. No back stabbing… Loyalty.”
With that said, will Riley be loyal or will he be back stabbing? Only time will tell.
I think out of all the hires so far Riley would be my biggest worry concerning loyalty. Time will tell.
What worries me more then Riley infecting the staff with mediocrity is what will the media (eggers, ect) do? I have a feeling they will try and bypass Smith to talk to their old pal Riley, and by doing that, cause problems within the staff?
I thought about that point also. I wonder how much the talk will be about Riley during the first game of the season? It can’t but take some of the focus off of Smith. Who knows, maybe JS wants it that way?
The question has been asked here about what good it does to complain about the hiring of Riley (as ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH, not merely a position coach as some frame their mention of him).
Seems to me one very small benefit is that some in the media, knowing there is a sizable group of fans who don’t like the idea, may actually downplay his involvement. Probably wishful thinking on my part, time will tell. The only thing I want to learn about him is how much OSU is paying, other than that, I think we’ve all seen enough.
So, this is my own opinion but AHC is a title that often has little meaning other than ‘this guy has more experience than most position coaches so here is an additional title”
In reality, every coach (coordinator, head, assistant head, and position) is participating in virtual every aspect of coaching (game planning, recruiting, etc….) so to me (and again this is my opinion) the tile is largely meaningless.
He is a position coach, anything he does beyond that could/would be done if he was a consultant/just a guy Smith trusts.
“…if he was a consultant/just a guy Smith trusts.” And that is exactly where MR should be, IMO. A consultant. Not in a position to stifle the input of other members of the staff.
To say that the title he has been given is meaningless when the staff discusses various topics may be valid; to think that his presence in staff meetings will not inhibit others is not nearly so valid.
How frustrating it will/would be for an energetic position coach to listen to Riley’s “aw shucks” schtick. Particularly in view of his on field results over the last several years.
One thing is for sure, titles often are used to justify increased pay. But, whatever he is paid, it’s not the main reason for concern over his presence on this staff.
Since it’s a general thread, Altman’s playing his “plausible denial” act for the second time in four years. Of course, he’s protected by the administration once again.
That’s not really news. What do you expect him to say?
“Yeah… I knew about it after I talked to people in the know some dozen times in a one day period. And I knew just contacting these people was against Nikegon policy as established for a more efficient cover-up of our Title IX violations.”
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I’m sure if we went to meet the man, he’d be a peach of a dude. That would mean he couldn’t have possibly done something this bad… a second time.
“Well gosh, golly we are one win away from the bag o taters bowl. All we need as a win in the CW.
That would be a neat deal. I think I won one of those, Dee claims I did, but my memory isn’t what it used to be. I think my brain got some frostbite in Lincoln. I do miss those Runzas. I told Jonathan we should serve those suckers in Reser. I also suggested an inflatable tunnel so we can copy their tunnel walk. Still mad at the Huskers not letting me use the chainsaw noise in Memorial stadium.
Probably cost 5-6 victories. They sure are hung up on those in Lincoln.”
You sound like someone who hates people who kneel for the National Anthem but are a-okay with the more disrespectful addition of the flag to an athletic uniform.
If we were to count the on in your haiku, it wouldn’t be an haiku.
I know this has been discussed, but I’ve been out and am still shocked at this hire.
From Eggers: “”Oh, my gosh, can you believe it?” Riley said. “It’s the best thing. I’m so thankful. We’ve been around the block. The timing of all this was perfect. The fact that I’ll get to work under a guy I’ve admired and enjoyed for so many years at a place I love, with the reconnection with my family here — I’m just so thankful for it.
“I’m really excited about the opportunity to get this going again like we can. I’m really fired up.”
OMGosh can you believe it?!? They took me back AGAIN! After I left the cupboard bare! And left!
From Canzano “…when Nebraska called, Riley not only had a serious conversation about the job, but brought the potential move to his wife. Per Riley, his wife said, “This is something we should look at,” and once they’d decided to go, all that was left was to call De Carolis and OSU president Edward Ray and tell them he was out.
Riley said Tuesday that the phone call lasted 30 seconds. Riley told De Carolis he was leaving for Nebraska. Per Riley, De Carolis said, “Wow.””
Its difficult for me to imagine a scenario where anyone with that level of pay and responsibility makes a 30 second call to say they’re quitting. And then they’re brought back. “Wow” indeed.
It’s right in line with someone who would fire a good friend over the phone.
But… but… actions don’t define a person.
Oh… and apparently he’s become some master recruiter and magically has some .800 record when we adjust it for OSU-suckitude… that has nothing to do with the fans who accept said suckitude.
That’s pretty amazing because professors, students, and everyone around town has talking about it for weeks. Just shows how out of touch Eggers is, or his new job is to lie to protect the Uni. Seems he suffers from Parker syndrome now, too.
Why Eggers? Get Lil’ Danny Moran on the case now! Remember the “background check King” did stellar work destroying Luke Heimlich! I bet Danny’s got his background check machine in overdrive!
I agree with the previous post that I want the truth out on Anderson because as was already stated the way it went down left OSU as the reason verses GA as the reason.
It was all GA, his hiring deficiencies and his inability to handle the consequences of his hiring deficiencies.
The “OSU is a graveyard of a program” narrative floated by our own media and carried nationally will never be avoided until we get out of our own way. Going back to look at whatever truth or rumors exist will only feed the fire. In fact, they will give a black eye to the program as a whole, probably removing any enthusiasm we might now have and aren’t actively trying to remove ourselves.
Isaac hodgins, is he good enough to start as a freshman? We are dire need of some d-lineman, wondering how the recruiting is going on that? Anybody know?
If Riley was a fall practice consultant who worked for a few weeks it would have been no big deal and more importantly no distraction. People assumed worst case was QB coach and that was wven too much for what most fans wanted.
Then we hear Asst Head Coach?? NOOOOO!!!!! Waste of a recruiting spot IMO.
Was getting warmed up to Smith amd then this kick to the balls. Am a guy who wants to be into the direction of the program and starting a new turn with a generationally relevant coach but Oregon State can’t keep themselves from hitting repeat with guys like Ed Ray and Mike Parker still involved. Sucks that we will have to wait at least 5 more years for Ray to step down and Parker and Riley to retire for this program to have a real shot at relevance.
Too many bad actors involved in the program that will put a firm 7 win cap on this thing until they leave and let real change happen. Book your tickets to Boise for the Idaho Potato Bowl cause it isn’t going to get much better until all of Parker, Riley and Ray are gone.
Anybody who’s managed a staff knows that at a certain point, you are limited by the weakest link(s). The group can meet a certain state of progress, but those people weak links become your limiting factors.
Riley is mediocre and untrustworthy (in contrasts to Smith’s stated preference for “elite” and “people I can trust”). Riley accepts losing, he accepts poor in-game management, he accepts poor performance from subordinates. He will put a cap on the program both in recruiting and in the number of wins.
Isn’t the obscurity of his current position admitting that he doesn’t have as much value as an OC as does Lindgren? It’s the position I would have thought he would get at any other school… sort of like Norv Turner, another great OC who is just not a good HC.
I’m guessing Lindgren is the first to have to look over his shoulder.
“Golly, I’ve got some neat ideas for little Johnny about timeouts and clock management. Third and long is a specialty of mine. Play action on third and 25 never fails to trip up the defense. I sure hope that rumor about Chip being at UCLA is false. That guy is a real pain in the behind. Just doesn’t play football fair.”
Prophetic statement from GA’s hiring at Wisconsin….
Wisconsin Hired Gary Andersen From Utah State: Well Played, Barry …
thebiglead.com/…/wisconsin-hired-gary-andersen-from-utah-state-well-played-barry-alv…
Dec 19, 2012 – seems like Barry just found a younger version of himself, will be curious to see if Andersen also has an affinity for booze and cheerleaders. Would be awesome if he’s also involved in a long term romantic liaison with a hobbit politician. mmonast • 4 years ago. Alternatively: Iowa fans should be unhappy …
The way he’s talking about Alvarez and the rumors about Bert doing the same, I don’t think anyone would have batted an eye at that kind of behavior from the head coach of Wiscy.
with Riley being a mentor I see the Beavs peaking at 5 wins over the next five seasons. If he wasn’t and just stuck to recruiting and developing safeties and tight ends, 7.
Man, this makes NO sense. You want to get rid of the stink of losing, and you put a pile of dog shit on the sidelines.
To me a big question is, why would Smith do this? Pressure from the Riley lovers still around? Riley bought himself huge leverage from his nice guy image. And from being a good coach early in his OSU stint. But then he stunk up the place, went to Nebraska and stunk it up there.
Or is Smith so insecure he needs daddy Riley to prop him up? Doesnt Smith realize if he gets some success, many will attribute it to Riley?
Riley has to still have a strong lobby around OSU. Wait for the media to want a Riley interview rather than talking to Smith.
“Is it possible that Smith simply thinks Riley can do a good job?”
Based on what results? In a what have you done lately competitive landscape how can Riley be acceptable? He wasted DA and Steven Jackson teams by only winning 8 games, nearly created riots in the stadium when he started Matt Moore, struck gold with Rodgers bros but still couldn’t finish it, then coasted through Wheaton,Cooks, Mannion with lots of passing yds but never sniffed a championship.
I wanted a fresh start of no one connected to Riley or GA. Instead we have a new nice guy who isn’t sure of himself and he brings in the nicest guy in college football as his mentor. Does anyone seriously think JS will outcoach Chris Petersen, David Shaw, Chip Kelly, Mike Leach, even Rich Rod, Wilcox, Wittingham? JS will only beat those guys if he is gutsy, aggressive, timely, disciplined, prepared, in order for his team to be those things on the field. How is Riley going to help him be any of these qualities?
My thought process on the Mike Riley hire is he is taking a back seat approach OR he’s right there going along with JS on recruiting trips and helping him “get the commit” with the recruits. I don’t see Riley as the guy who wants to be a HC again. He’s realizing he still wants to coach, but isn’t “in the game” anymore when it comes to running the whole thing. If Smith was smart, which I believe he is, he would leave Riley out of certain aspects of player personnel/disciplinary actions if any were to arise, and even certain behind the scenes stuff. Riley doesn’t need to know every little detail that’s going on in the VFC, just what he needs to know type attitude.
If someone were interested in taking a youtube video, editing it with soundbites and images of mike riley, overlaying the people and audio in the original video, what would be a good, free editing program to use for such a project?
Just curious….
So there seems like a lot of semi-related decommits coming across the Twitter the last day or two. TCU. Colorado. Any chances of a couple of surprise last minute flips for the new coaches?
Saw a kid decommit from Nebraska too. Wonder if he’s gonna follow Simple Jack? Or it could have been Frost with the “we’re honoring your offer, but go look around” move.
Interesting info just came through. Makes you wonder about the search firm, etc. My gut feeling that this was all a clandestine maneuver to get an unpopular Riley back in the saddle has more merit.
Saturday Nov 18th of dads weekend the Riley family was openly talking about JS being hired as the HC, and MR coming back as an assistant. They were openly talking about it in town.
I have heard the very same thing from a person who heard
them openly talk about it.
This whole thing seems like it was set up behind the scenes.
The search firm seems more like for appearances.
Anyhow, it makes this crazy situation make sense.
No way this was just thrown together.
If you remember, early on we heard Erickson was coming in as a HC and Smith would take over after 3 years. Eventually that changed to Erickson as mentor. And then eventually that turned into Riley. That Smith/coach in waiting/mentor thing was one of the first rumors. The media wrote it off as unlikely and seemed to scoff.
It reeks of the old donors setting this all up and figuring out a palatable way. Even the Riley locker image breaking at 11pm at night was weird. All to break Riley in slowly since he’s unpalatable to many.
So, how do we measure progress? Success? The only thing I would suggest is that we avoid arguments like “We would have won N games had we not done X”. That stuff is not knowable and we can’t run the experiment twice. All we can say is that things would (likely) have been different.
For me, immediate progress can be measured by the recruiting classes. Not just in the number of stars but factor in how many of those stars actually qualify to play and then how much they contribute immediately. ( I seem to recall a number of 4* guys never seeing the field.)
Next would be the ability to score points and be somewhere in the middle of the conference in points/game. I think this ups the entertainment value and makes the team more attractive.
Win OOC games (tOSU not withstanding). Win a game or two on the road.
It would certainly be encouraging to see this recruiting class (which wasn’t very impressive under GA’s watch) turn into something more like we saw the last few years. We’re not going to be bringing in large numbers of 4* guys with our current record, but if the quality of players is more in line with what we saw in the classes of ’16 and ’17, that would be a successful start in my books.
Year 1- At the end of 2018, we need to be feeling the way we were at the end of 2016. Keep it respectable against tOSU (within two scores). Take care of business against SUU and Nevada. Win at least two conference games. There’s still plenty of talent in this program and the results should be there to indicate things are on the rise again.
Year 2- Get to a bowl game.
Year 3- Be in contention for the North title
To be sucessful, we should be contending for the Pac-12 North by 2020 and we need to win it at least once by Year 5. If we haven’t we’ve failed to exceed Riley’s ceiling and we need to go in a different direction.
Yeah that would be silly. Obviously winning the North should be the first goal. But a nice win/loss and a decent bowl would be major steps in the right direction.
Given that particular sequence, maybe not. That’s a major jump from Year 4 to 5. I think after Year 4, you’d have to seriously question the lack of progress.
I’ll be charitable and give him 6 years. There are 6 teams in the division, so we should be able to win it at least once in 6 years to consider ourselves successful.
You think a successful coach can go 6 years without winning their division? Very few guys get that kind of leeway. Mike Leach is the only non-service academy coach I can think of who has retained a job that long without ever winning some kind of championship.
After 5-6 years without winning anything, you have to ask yourself if you’ve accomplished what you set out to accomplish as a program. I get that going to bowl games is nice and all, but that was the bar during the Riley years. If you’re content with that, that’s all you’re ever going to get.
Pat Fitzgerald (a very very good coach IMO) off the top of my head.
I am sure I can find others. Having a win the division by an arbitrary date or you are fired policy seems silly to me. Evaluation should be a deeper process than that.
Mike Gundy won the Big 12 in years 6 and 7 but its been 7 years since he has won, should OSU start looking?
It took Bill Snyder 10 years.
Dana Holgorsen is entering his 8th year with no division titles.
There aren’t a lot of coaches that have been a P5 schools more than 6 years but Leach does have some company.
I’d prefer to evaluate Smith’s progress instead of having an arbitrary hard deadline. Lots of factors effect rather he wins a division and frankly if he goes 10-2 without a division title it probably still means a New Years Six Bowl (possibly even the grandaddy of them all) which would be a success in my eyes.
Fitzgerald came close in 2012. And he may parlay not having to play tOSU in 2015 or 2017 into an NFL job. And I think he’s still younger than 9 is. Didn’t he start at NW in his 20’s?
WVU stepped in it with Holgorsen after not firing him two years ago. Now they’re stuck with him for another five years. Btw, he did win a conference title and go win a ridiculous BCS Bowl in a watered down Big East.
I agree on not being arbitrary. But this is a message board where we’re trying to convey that records and results are indicative of how that review might go. If it’s 7-5 and the 5 are all one point losses, that’s going to be different than losing to the same old teams by the same old margins year over over year.
A Rose Bowl will always be considered a success, won or lost.
Holgorsen won the Big East in his first year. Gundy has won 2 division titles and been to 2 BCS bowls (or whatever they are now).
Fitzgerald has a career win % of 57%. That’s pretty close to Riley’s.
I’m not in favor of a hard rule or an arbitrary date. The general idea is that if you’ve been okay, but not great for too long, you have to make some changes. At what point are you okay with “at least we made it to a bowl game,” and when does a championship seem too much to hope for? Around here, settling for just making a bowl game (the Riley clause) is what drew a lot of criticism during the MR era.
I’m not sure how we could win the division and still make a major bowl game unless the North champ was a CFP team.
I appreciate the debate on this subject. This is how we clarify everyone’s standards.
Staff turnover (or lack thereof) would be a part of the evaluation, I’m sure.
Coaches who suffer staff losses on a constant basis get more leeway than those who are more beholden to their friends than they are their friends’ market values.
Obviously Riley’s problem is that he’s the Pied Piper of mediocrity. I think I see a beautiful compromise here:
-Riley helps JS do what he’s an expert at: win 5 or 6 games
-OSU returns from the pit of despair to the plateau of mediocrity
-MR retires to TX after a year or two
-No longer weighed down by MR, OSU soars to new heights
Unfortunately, we’re stuck with him for at least a year. You just can’t pull a Tennessee. First, it’s the wrong thing to do. Second, we can’t afford to cut off a limb to prove any point, real or not, here.
We would amplify the already poor media perception that we accept mediocrity in our sports by causing a ruckus about the nicest guy in college football. The national media would laugh about, “Who do they think they are to want more than their station in life?”… as they agreed with everything we say about his coaching mediocrity but slough it off with red herrings like “football knowledge” and “nicest person, like, ever.”
At once, we get told to sit at the back of the bus and are told we don’t care that we always have to sit at the back of the bus.
The only other conversation was a brief professional disagreement about who should call the university president. Riley said he wanted to call Ray himself. De Carolis wanted to make the call to his boss. That was that. De Carolis made the call.
I think Mike Riley is completely oblivious to what is and isn’t professional. Canzano is as well, since it just flies over his head.
Dude! You just quit! Over the phone!
You don’t work here any more. You don’t get to talk to anyone here about personnel issues… one of which is now you. And you’re certainly not going to do it over the phone, like you did to me. What’s wrong in your noggin that you think that’s remotely professional?
“I think Mike Riley is completely oblivious to what is and isn’t professional. Canzano is as well, since it just flies over his head.
Dude! You just quit! Over the phone!
You don’t work here any more. You don’t get to talk to anyone here about personnel issues… one of which is now you. And you’re certainly not going to do it over the phone, like you did to me. What’s wrong in your noggin that you think that’s remotely professional?”
Spot on. Nobody at OSU involved in Mike Riley’s multiple personnel transactions seems to be able to address their responsibilities that directly.
I’ve always thought Riley seemed “slow.” Not just with in-game adjustments, but at other major decision points.
I’d love to see somebody sit down with Ed Ray and Mike Riley and drill them on the way Riley repeatedly disrespects the school he allegedly loves, and why the school repeatedly not only tolerates it, but embraces and practically celebrates it. Like Mike, Ed Ray is still smarting from the “almost Rose bowl” of 2009, and he wants OSU in one before he retires. Seeing Riley as a plausible means to that goal is absurd.
BTW, RE Riley wanting to “man up” and tell the university president over the phone that he was quitting: He was probably hoping to get Ed’s voice mail…..
I was trying to find Riley’s quotes rationalizing his departure for Nebraska. I think it was something along the lines of his last chance at big time football.
Hi Angry.. You asked me a question at the top of this thread. I wasn’t sure you would see a response if I hit reply. Feel free to delete this.
I don’t think you need to publish a specific thread at this time. Your wishes regarding the raising of some funding have been clear, I think, to most regular participants on the site. I was attempting to a.) support your efforts and b.) get a feel as to how many people had actually contributed something. The request for some sort of response didn’t gain much traction. So only you know the answer.
If the new “donate” button doesn’t yield much or anything by the end of the year, maybe start 1-1-18 with an appeal and the rationale. Just my thoughts.. JB
PS: I hope you are faring well with the smoke and fire. We drive through that area frequently on the way up the Central Coast and always enjoy the remarkable beauty of the area.
I suppose we get to see the cult of Mike Riley more clearly this time around. We should probably be thankful he’s a benevolent figure, I guess. I have a friend who still bristles any time anyone says anything he perceives as mean about the Rajneesh.
That’s the level of servitude I see here.
These people so love the man that they forgive him major breaches in loyalty, respect, honor, common decency when dealing with an employer. I watched a focus group over the weekend where the participants talked about how Roy Moore had more integrity in his little finger than does all of Congress. They also justified his actions (which they believe to be untrue) with the “that’s the way it was in those days” fallacy.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Argumentum ad populum leads to an appeal to purity, which leads to the exile of reality.
You make some excellent points here. I think you are understating the vileness of Mike Riley, however, You should probably compare him to someone more evil like Hitler or maybe even Donald Trump (although he might not be quite that bad).
And the mods can verify that I am not pretending to be joe, the perfect dumbass who walked right into the logic trap even though it was announced to be a logic trap.
Mentioned above: “the Riley family was openly talking about JS being hired as the HC, and MR coming back as an assistant. They were openly talking about it in town.”
Okay, I have no doubt that Riley’s family may have been discussing it. Doesn’t mean some conspiracy of boosters forced Riley on Smith or made some deal that led to Smith/Riley being hired.
Its entirely plausible that Riley’s wife knew Riley was gonna get fired (everyone did) and entirely possible that Riley and Smith are in contact with each other therefore you need no conspiracy of boosters to come to the conclusion that if Smith gets the job Riley might be on his staff.
Believe what you want. Nobody said the boosters forced Riley on Smith. But many of the wealthy boosters wanted Riley back. This could be a Barnes/Ray compromise since they’d lose half the fanbase hiring Riley as HC and lose major donors if they didn’t have Riley around in some capacity.
There’s a difference between it being a surety at that time and it being scuttlebutt by Riley’s family.
The latter is not surprising to assume as youngorst lays it out. Professionalism is not a Riley thing. His family confirming publicly that he was shirking his current duties in order to undercut OSU’s current team for the last two weeks is plausible.
The former would be an actual cancer, metastacizing in a fraudulent search.
Fun trivia question:
Since GA quit, which head coach gave up more points–Mike Riley or Cory Hall?
There are also donors that wanted nothing to do with Riley.
I think its far more plausible that Smith simply wants Riley on his staff. You may not like that, frankly I’d prefer Smith made Riley no more than a consultant, but its still the most likely scenario here.
If Dee and family were openly lobbying for 9 while knowing he would slap OSU in the face, that would not be the simplest answer.
But what you state is where I am until I see or hear something solid. Knowing the cult, they will deny it then qualify that denial with, “Even if it was true, who cares?”
The herpes analogy was I think better….the Terminator WAS killed…he came back to make more money. Waitaminnit…..how much is Riley being paid this time?!? Besides too much.
Angry: I noticed when I logged on this morning that Jack’s posts in the last 12 hours were deleted from my view, though I never myself checked the “ignore” x. ( In fact, Jack has had one of his better weeks of late.) So my question: If someone else hits the ignore button that means we all lose visibility of the posts? Relatedly, can you “un-ignore” someone to retrieve the messages?
Crazy that OSU doesn’t even have Wes Edens on this list. Dude is a billionaire and part owner of the Bucks so he has to be into sports (at least basketball). Wonder if OSU has even reached out to him?
Wes Edens is not a Phil Knight type who needs to plaster his name on every available facade when he donates money. I suspect he has donated to OSU – although not sure how much he owes his riches to his OSU degree.
Sounds like Cav is potentially headed to Univ of Hawaii.
Christian Summers? @fbcoach_summers
38m38 minutes ago
Hawaii: Source tells FootballScoop former Nebraska and Oregon State offensive line coach Mike Cavanaugh is a candidate for the offensive line job at Hawaii.
I could think of worse places to be hired at after getting fired…..
Someone else called in at the very end to express displeasure with clinging to Riley, too. That was good to hear. Despite one caller’s claim he pulled out of his butt, not 99.9% of beaver fans are happy with the Riley hire.
No grief from the call screening. They’re actually pretty cool about it. They do recognize my number by now. I just say the general topic I want to chime in on, and that’s the screening.
Great call scotty! You, DIT, and the last caller of the day made it clear to any objective listerner that there is a significant portion of fans who don’t like the MR situation.
Parker mentioned having a “moratorium” on Riley calls; his remark was clearly not seriously laying down a line in the sand but does indicate that the message is getting through. He discusses it with “Greg” at the end of the program. Good line from Greg: “It isn’t a small town which limits the Beavs, it is a small town attitude”
Time stamps as follows:
Scotty= 12:10, DIT= 36:18, Greg= 1:42:00
I wasn’t able to get through today. But, in the past, found it pretty easy to get on air, never encountered any serious “screening”. Angry, if you decide to phone in I doubt they’ll stop you; unless they see that you are calling from Santa Barbara and realize it is you! LOL
It’s tough listening to Parker and Co shield themselves from any and all dissenting opinion. The majority of OSU fan’s view of the program reminds me of the American auto industry in the 70’s.
Pac12 revenue sharing is the only thing that will help our program survive the 70’s and 80’s, if you will.
Suit yourself on notes vs winging it, I’ve done it both ways. Let us know if you do call in, it would be interesting to hear Parker’s response.
Do listen to Greg at the 1:42:00 mark, it is about a 6 minute call which made very good points. Parker didn’t interrupt and, partly because time ran out, didn’t have much of a response.
That said, I seriously doubt Heyward is coming so no surprise. The idea that Smith hasn’t found a DC (assuming he hasn’t and isn’t just waiting to announce it for some reason) is pretty concerning at this point.
A few position coaches not being hired is one thing but the DC should be identified and hired (and for all we know he is I guess).
Apparently the strategy is to avoid hiring any more staff until after the early signing date so that there is no pressure to get any good to great recruits right away, thus minimizing dissappointment and limiting early expectations. This sounds like a sound approach based on the track record of an athletic department that keeps 3 year old dated banners atop its major recruiting building.
Why show any initiative, urgency or creativity if it only raises expectations for the fan-base. May as well go with the safe hire, slow paced offense, finding the hidden talent, building up guys over a 4 year career to finally start as seniors, undersized recruits who are feel good stories, and hip hip hoorays.
Get ready for the excuses on offense that we thought were a thing of the past. Recruiting is already being touted as Riley’s hidden gems that develop over time. Don’t expect any freshmen to come in and start, they will all be under-sized and not ready yet.
I’m not convinced that JS will actually be accepted as the face of the program by fans or media as long as Riley is in house. How often will Eggers ask for the inside scoop as part of a feature about Riley’s grandpa role instead of giving Smith his due respect as the actual HC? Time will tell. But I won’t hold my breath. I’ve been told by many who know and love Riley that he no longer wants to be the HC and this is a perfect fit. I’m not sold on it even if that were the case.
Riley is a lightning rod that splits the fanbase and dampens momentum moving forward. His newfound recruiting chops are mythical and yet to be seen. If he alone is responsible for signing 5 4* kids who actually play, then I will reconsider.
I give GA credit for at least giving us a reprieve from the built in excuses and lines that foster a culture of low expectations. 1-11 was rough, but deja vu will be rougher on all of you ABs.
Someone he coached with 20 years ago has a son who wants to play college ball. The kid even started a few games in HS when the regular starter had mono. He’s a really neat story.
And so it begins, no surprise Nemec’s on the Riley bandwagon.
After announcing “2018 Clackamas WR Cole Turner will have an in-school visit with Oregon State assistant head coach Mike Riley on Wednesday”. He gushes:
“What is Mike Riley for? This conversation. The “we dropped the ball and we’re gonna fix it, because I have a track record with in-state talent” convo. And Riley will be honest when he says it.
Ummm, sure you want to tout that “in-state talent” thing?
Did Riley land any in-state talent that didn’t play in a championship in Reser?
I can’t believe anyone is going to tout the state of relationships between Riley and in-state programs. His poor work within this state fed Petersen at Boise for almost a full decade. This is why UW can now recruit the Willamette Valley with impunity.
With OSU striking out on Heyward (Riley didn’t help), it is time for the full court press to get Jimmy Lake for DC. Have very little confidence that OSU cam get it done though. Instead of spending over 750K and getting the real good DC this program desperately needs, OSU will umdoubtedly to some more Riley pandering and make Riley’s ex LB coach at least Co-DC and maybe DC by himself which will make this staff basically half Riley’s at that point. Bray underperformed as LB coach at Nebraska. Beavergopher said he watched that unit in particular on more than one occassion and they looked and played terrible. Sounds like a great DC. Hip Hip Hooray you poor bastards.
Joe Pa of the West is here to stay. Bellotti, peer of Riley, seemed to retire 15 years ago. Knew it was time for program to do new things and evolve even if he had lots of confidence in his own abilities. Understood it was selfish to not routinely have passing the torch be a part of the culture. A program should never be perceived as stale or ever living in the past.
Not Riley. He epitomizes clinging, living in the past, not allowing a program to evolve and being personally selfish to the detriment of what should be a living, breathing and always moving forward with new voices and leaders, Oregon State University.
However, we get none of that as Riley’s painting rails in the summer at Parker and sneaking into a basketball game in the early 70s are infinitely more important than whatever concerns and needs the 21st century has to millions of citizens of this state who should expect and demand that the university be so much more.
Absilutely horrible leadership and twisted priorities from the OSU administration who remains clueless. So disgusted with this administration. Riley now remains a huge distraction for tgw program that does not go away until he eventually removes himself. How many years will that be??
Piggybacking on Angry’s info regarding what happened with GA. Received info from a VERY reliable source that confirms what Angry reported over the weekend regarding a “relationship” with a coed. Also that GA is currently in a rehab facility in Wyoming and his wife did leave him.
All of this sounds crazy but this is one of the few plausible scenarios that would explain why GA sent crazy txts to Canzano, quit in the middle of season, and left all the cash on the table.
At the end of last season I was convinced we were on the right track. 10 months later GA completely implodes and we are stuck with the gum chewer again. Talk about luck of the Beavers. Unbelievable
Anybody check out Petras’ senior film linked above? 4,157 YDS, 50 TDs, 2 INTs, 64% completion.
A pocket passer but looks light on his feet. Mobility much better than Mannion, Canfield, or Anderson (at least to my memory). Looks bigger than Matt Moore. He seems to have happy feet and sometimes throws a Mannnion-ish deep ball in that the receiver has to slow down and wait for it but he has a quicker release than Mannion. Damn he looks good.
Probably OSU’s best QB prospect since Matt Moore.
Smith was OC when Browning became the first FR to start for UW in the program’s history. Here’s hoping he willing to start Petras if the kid earns it in camp. I think Petras plans to graduate and arrive for spring term/ball. With the OC’s offensive philosophy (keep it simple for the QBs reads) Petras can hopefully pick up the offense early.
Petras provides hope for the future. I think a QB like that he can help recruit OL who would want to play with him.
If he goes to Iowa, he might end up playing in a Rose Bowl and then the NFL one day.
If he goes here, he gets to learn the standing fetal position, maybe play in a Sun or Vegas Bowl here and there… and, if he’s lucky, hold a clipboard on Sundays.
But we’ll call the latter, “playing in the NFL” since we have a different narrative.
We’ll need more speed in our WR corp to take advantage of his downfield throwing ability. He regularly throws it over 50 yards in his film, and makes it look easy.
Would be curious to see what his longest pass is
Eggers has a pretty detailed piece about Dukart and Petras today. In it, Petras says he plans to stay at OSU, despite his recent visit to Iowa Sunday/Monday.
Funny thing is, there is an Iowa writer and a Ruvals writer who were caught off guard by this, because they spoke with Petras yesterday and he said he would have a decision to make with his family.
They seem genuinely surprised that Petras has already made the decision to stay at OSU.
Eggers must have the inside track on keeping tabs with OSU recruiting now. ;)
Anybody else find it odd that this guy called Petras late last night and he was indecisive, but Eggers already has his lengthy piece ready to go with a quote from Petras that he’s staying?
A Rivals guy followed up with Petras this morning. Either Petras is confused, or Eggers hit “publish” too early and Petras didn’t see it yet.
https://twitter.com/BlairRIVALS/status/940634476123754496
“Talked to QB Spencer Petras again this morning to ask about this quote. He said, “I’m still praying and deciding.” No final decision has been made yet on Oregon State vs. Iowa.”
So can someone list the DC’s that might still be in play outside of Hayward? And could there be a D.C. in play that cannot be announced until after a bowl game? In other words, can someone look all this crap up for me… I just don’t have the time lol.
Eggers mentioned that these guys have all been “linked” to OSU: Inoke Breckterfield (Wisconsin), Tim Tibesar (OLB coach @ Wisconsin), Scottie Hazelton (DC @ Wyoming)
No idea how firm that is, but I’m guessing Hazelton is Plan A now.
Man watching Petras senior year film…kid is good. Real good.
Quick release and a strong arm. Can throw to all parts of the field. The comparison to mannion is a valid one. When sets his feet, ball comes out like a rocket.
Definitely needs a year to redshirt. Clean up mechanics just a little. Footwork and his throwing on the run can be better.
Now js needs to sign Carta Samuels to let Petras redshirt.
OSU will have one win next season, against Southern Utah. Offense will improve substantially, but OSU’s defense will be the worst in the nation in PPG if Riley has ANY influence over who the D coordinator is.
Kind of hoping the Ducks boatrace the Beavs again next year, with the senile 80 year old donors looking on in shock. Maybe then they’ll finally learn their fucking lesson and lose the “small town” mentality. I’m getting sick of people who make decisions based on feelings and emotion rather than rationale.
Can we please take a moment to appreciate how awful this Oregon hire is…
(Also, First)
Sure. It’s awful. I lol’d when I saw it. I think Mullens is mentally done and wants out of that cesspool.
I keep having to explain to my delusional hole fan friends that what they think makes that job the best thing in the world (uncle Phil’s $$$) is actually what makes no successful coach want the job. Nobody wants a team owner butting in and telling them how to do their job.
The one upside I see to this is possible continuity in assistant coach staff and trying to hold onto recruits. Current players seem to like the guy. But I can’t think of too many times that the player-favorite coach turns out to be a good hire.
It’s like Mullens is over-correcting on the Taggart hire by promoting from within.
New to this site. I’ve had enough. I wrote President Ray today. I’m so sick and tired of having to defend moronic decisions this administration makes or doesn’t make. Riley should have been fired well before OSU finally found the gumption to axe him. Then they bring him back? College football is laughing at Oregon State. If you’re frustrated, then write Dr Ray. We need to become a voice to be heard.
“The administration” didn’t hire Riley as an asst coach, Smith did. Sounds like your beef should be with Ray and Barnes hiring Smith.
Just saw a tweet that Dennis Erickson has an office with his name on it also?
“You serious Clark?” If so, link?
Scroll through the Twitter feed on the top of the screen.
https://twitter.com/BeaverSports/status/939015518505205761
Here’s the link to it.
Wow!
Didn’t 9 take time in his presser to talk about him and DE standing on the field while yelling at each other and how he didn’t think that would work so well now?
Is this what all those “Real Housewives” shows are like?
Is OSU now the Real Housewife of Corvallis?
This is what it feels like.
Since the traffic is running hot and heavy I’m curious. How many of you have donated to AB? I sent a donation a couple of months ago. It only seems fair to support the man who provides us all countless hours of “sportsertainment”.
I don’t have a clue what bit coin or entherium are nor do I have or use Pay-pal. Angry and I easily worked out an alternative for those of you, like me, that live in the dark ages.
Maybe append a brief Yes, No or pending to your next submission. JB
Maybe find out about bitcoin? :)
That’s terrible advice.
Where did you learn your investment strategies? Call them and ask for a refund.
I guarantee there are people out there buying it on margin. They will soon be called. Worse yet, they’ll transfer it to some unsuspecting fools on the open market and leave them holding the collective bag.
I think those two dorky Harvard brothers are sending the same bitcoin back and forth to one another. That’s going to end well…
Don’t say Facebook didn’t give you anything.
I stopped donating. Good money after bad.
I know what you mean. If I’m looking at the OSU football program as a potential investment, I see all this and run away screaming for all to stay away from it. They eschew best practice to instead provide a safety net for quitters.
No business succeeds with that kind of poor management.
Yep, if you look at it as an investment you see how bad it is.
I did find a comparable business for this model, btw.
JC Penney
So now we have the same hiring standards as Louisville and the same business ethics as JC Penney.
Petti, thanks for bringing up this sensitive topic.
Should I make an entire post dedicated to explaining the new button and goals, etc? I don’t want to make a spectacle of it so I haven’t.
Basically, the blog now accepts paypal. My hope/goal is people will read a post, think “I liked that post; it had value; someone worked to write it”, then donate a buck or two for each one they like. Some people are very generous and give more. Some people will freeload. Some people even whine, like that GoBeavers guy. This is life. But anyway, this will be the model going forward. It’s a mixed bag. Everyone is entitled to do what they wish. The more people donate, the more it fuels site expansion and writing, so that’s why I like this model. It puts the site in users hands to a degree where everyone is invested.
I’m not giving this board a penny. I only read it occasionally for dark humor. If he shut it down tomorrow I wouldn’t miss it.
Look at this male cheerleader:
https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/939201604204478464
Why so tribal? So he supports the hire, BFD, how does that affect you?
You have to pick better battles. Fighting 26 land wars in Asia might stretch your supply lines.
Says the guy who thought GA was a great hire…
YOU thought he was a great hire. Everyone thought he was a great hire. So fuck off, bag o’ dicks.
Please show me where I ever said GA was a great hire…
Sidd?
https://twitter.com/ButtonMcGraw/status/939202540486430720
He was half right about not going with Taggart…
Staying how long? Might just be until after the bowl game…
Sounds like Sidd strikes out again with Heyward not joining Smith’s staff.
What is up with the defensive staff? Why no hires?
Banker’s on vacation in Hawaii?
Thanks for making me puke.
Looks like he’s evaluating which coach he wants as his DC. He could be allowing coaches per mutual agreement to not be hired on until after their bowl games are played, similar to Frost at Nebby.
UO-Eugene doubles down on their one strength: recruiting. Good for them. Honestly, that will probably keep them around at least .500 for a while. They should have learned from their glory days and hired a pure football guy who understands the importance of having assistants that can recruit well. Maybe in a few years when they get tired of mediocrity.
Cristobal’s record isn’t terrible, and he has 5 more years of HC experience than JS (oddly enough, last year was his only year as a coordinator, and a co-coordinator at that.) I have a hard time seeing why this is any worse of a hire than ours.
He has a 27–47 record…
The only thing I can see is that he stunk it up as a HC then went to work for Saban for a few years. I’m sure he learned some things in that time, one way to find out if it was enough.
Record at FIU doesn’t tell the whole story. Don’t think it’s a great hire, either, though.
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/939203226032775168
As I understand he achieved, regressed and then sort of got shit canned unexpectedly. I always thought there was a little more to the story because wasn’t he a native son? I remember that angle being played up when he got FIU to a bowl game.
He took over the worst program in FBS and went to a bowl game with 8 wins in Year 3. They regressed and he got fired after Year 5, but did make two bowl games.
I think that 1-11 record in Year 1 skews things a bit.
It’s not a home run hire by any means, especially with Sumlin available. I still think it’s a C+, just like the JS hire.
Last year was not JS’s only year as a coordinator.
I think he meant Cristobal and put the parenthetical in the wrong place. Or he has it in the right place and needs to just make it a sentence instead of a parenthetical.
Smith will be on the JBS today discussing the Riley hire. Get your puke bags ready.
Smith on hiring Riley: “Trollin’ b rollin'”
Hayward staying in Eugene will be very disappointing but not surprising. Probably gets more money there and definitely gets more exposure. He wants to be a HC some day.
If he didn’t get enough money because Riley took position then that is shameful.
Playing for Oregon State, coaching OSU players, and then deciding to be at UO because they offer more money is not Riley’s fault. In fact everything that makes you upset, contrary to this circle-jerks belief, actually isn’t Mike Riley’s fault
It’s a hypothetical which is correct but not likely.
You could have left it at that instead of displaying your wholesale ignorance of this discussion with added reducio ad absdurdums.
In fact, one could probably surmise those leaps of illogic warrant pointing out that you might be projecting.
Wait? There is only so much money in the pool for assistants so while its not Riley’s fault. If Riley got enough money (and I doubt he did) to make it impossible to win a bidding war for Heyward than it wouldn’t directly be Riley’s fault but it would be indirectly on the hiring of Riley.
It wouldn’t be Riley’s fault because he only takes the spot another coach who might deserve it would take. He’s just filling a slot.
Yeah, that too…I hate Riley as a coach, but it’s stupid to blame losing a bidding war on him.
I can’t imagine we’d lose a bidding war for Heyward b/c of Riley. Riley can’t be getting that much given that Nebby is on the hook for so much. Smith made an error naming him AHC, though, because that position demands higher salary than DB coach. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Heyward’s wife ran track for the dux
Clearly the quacks did not see what happens with the interim with an “all in” pun hashtag. I’d make fun of them for the bad hire, but….
Smith on live now: http://v6.player.abacast.net/2465
Can’t wait to hear that Gary Anderson’s name will be next to MR and DE on the locker door. That would be hilarious!!!
Kragthorpe tweeted that if Whitt hired GA, OSU’s last two head coaches will be Pac assistants.
Make that three.
Who’s the last coach before MR1 to quit on OSU… Prothro?
He has a good excuse not to get an office, not that we won’t try.
Yes Prothro left for ucla. And won a rose bowl that season.
Sign him up!
That wasn’t Beban’s Heisman year, right? Wasn’t that two years later?
No beavs lost 65′ rose bowl, Prothro was coach
Ucla wins 66′ rose bowl, Prothro was coach.
Beban was 67 heisman
Gotcha!
Wait… that’s still two years.
Heh heh… I was thinking ’66 and ’68, which also would have been wrong (3 years).
Smith interview overall was fine. He hired Riley for “value”…mentioned S/TE coach for him.
Any other nuggets? Couldn’t listen…
He mentioned D staff to be hired over the upcoming weeks and he’d rather be late than wrong (I don’t disagree with that philosophy). Can’t think of anything else noteworthy. Parker tossed him soft balls.
Thought Parker didn’t have any balls….!?!?! (que comedy drum)
Biggest takeaway that is still scary as fuck.
On Riley’s Role with the team Smith said:
“The schematics, the game planning, the recruiting, the (talent) evaluation, that’s going to be 85 percent of his job,” Smith said. “I think 15 percent will be if I’m not certain on an approach, him and Jim (Michalczik) will be the ones I turn to.”
Hence Jonathan Riley as HC.
Having a special teams coordinator(Cookus) and then having Riley coach special teams, would be the most OSU thing ever.
I read it as Safety/Tight End? Not special teams.
Correct, that’s what Smith said in the interview — that he could see Riley coaching safeties or TEs.
Well, many of his QB recruits ended up at those positions.
Lol. Very true.
Eggers on Sprague now. This should be a lot of cheerleading.
Link?
Sidd Finch says there’s a bidding war for Heyward between Beavs and ucks. I think he’s a must-get
There probably is. And both are likely offering DC.
Hopefully he wants to come back to his alma mater badly.
I would think the ucks would make Joe Salavea their DC. He’s listed as an assistant head coach now.
Obscure titles only offer the opportunity for bigger salaries for recruiters. I don’t get the feeling he’s on any staff for his actual (Xs & Os) coaching abilities.
Is that the same guy who said it was a done deal?
I wonder why Leavitt was not considered for the Quack job? He’s not going to be KSU’s head coach as long as Bill Snyder still has a pulse (and has a son). Leavitt seems like a stronger candidate than Cristobal unless he’s still considered damaged goods?
They know he would just choke.
Seriously, though, they probably went to vett him and ran through their checklist only to find out from their insurance that he’s a huge liability, and it would be fine to hire him if they were willing to pay X amount.
I imagine Leach is the same.
That’s unfair to Leach. He would be the same because of his continued persistence with his lawsuit. What carrier isn’t going to look at that and not shuffle all the financial liability to the client?
https://www.facebook.com/OregonFootball/videos/1293077554131244/
This guy is a fraud just like Willie.
Hopefully his team caves in late next year and the Beavers return the favor at Reser.
Seriously? Cristobal as head coach of the Ducks?
Maybe the Beavers have a chance of winning next year after all.
This should be interesting. Angie and Sprague were both anti-Riley when he left.
https://soundcloud.com/dam-podcast/hip-hip-hooray-part-3
Let’s see if they cave and now say they like it…haven’t listened yet.
Edit: they clearly hate the hire. Mainstream/”Legit” media hates it now. So much for AB being overly negative. They take a jab at Sidd.
Given his more clearly defined role of game planning, schematics, player evaluation, recruiting….hell, what will JS be doing? I thought Riley was going to be more fan advisor..based on his description of duties….yikes. I’m afraid of no innovation and, 3yards and a pile of turf, and immobile 6’6″ QBs…I hope I’m wrong but the only thing it appears we’re lacking now is langsdorf as the offensive coordinator. I’m all for Riley as an advisor but not the role just defined….Riley’s brand of football went extinct 10 years ago. I thought they might be setting Riley up for the next AD but certainly doesn’t sound like it now. I hope this doesn’t backfire in JS. I will take a wait and see approach but had no idea that Riley will influence game planning and schematics…golly gee…I hope he brings back Friday night ice cream feeds too…those are wonderful per game preps. If it was me. I’m doing steak and UFC for my teams pregame ….none of this ice-cream social BS. I’m leaning more toward your position angry now that the cat is out of the bag. However, I’m a huge Mike Parker guy.
Okay, I believe their are some misquotes out there. I believe Smith was saying that 85% of all of that are his duties and he’d go to Riley and the OL coach for the other 15%.
“The schematics, the game planning, the recruiting, the (talent) evaluation, that’s going to be 85 percent of his job,” Smith said. “I think 15 percent will be if I’m not certain on an approach, him and Jim (Michalczik) will be the ones I turn to.”
There is the quote, to me it is quite clear that JS is saying that is 85% of “his” job meaning 85% of Smith’s job.
Great.
Now we have a head coach who refers to himself in the third person.
From Moran’s article which mirrors the way I heard it:
“But he did express that Riley will have a very hands-on role with the team, highlighting his recruiting ties throughout California.
“The schematics, the game planning, the recruiting, the (talent) evaluation, that’s going to be 85 percent of his job,” Smith said. “I think 15 percent will be if I’m not certain on an approach, him and Jim (Michalczik) will be the ones I turn to.”
Clear to me that JS expects any “advisor” role of MR to only take up 15% of MR’s time. Beyond that 15% the new Assistant HC will be taking a “very hands on role”.
Don’t understand any other way of interpreting JS’s words.
Be honest: are you leaning more toward my position because two people in mainstream media backed it up?
They both seemed to land on saying it was “meh” which is definitely not what you said! It’s closer to what I said. “I don’t like it but people here are overreacting.”
They’re critical of it and clearly don’t like it. They have ads and subscriptions to sell, so they can’t say outright that it fucking sucks.
I don’t have a problem with people not buying into the hire. Out is an opinion site, that is what should be done. My specific problem is the harping on a narrative and the bashing on anyone that doesn’t share the opinion. By calling our new coach by the Riley name you are just trying to reinforce the narrative that there is no success path here.
I still believe we should be discussing what success looks like rather than just declaring defeat. I would argue that Riley had success for his first 10 years at OSU then lost his edge (I would think he got passed by and wasn’t willing to change). He should have been fired. A good HC and a good assistant is a different thing. I no longer think MR is even a serviceable HC, but I could see him being ok in this role.
I see the path here is that JS may be successful here but there will be bumps along the road and you and this site will need to crucify him to complete the narrative. I see this as the same problem with pre-season polls.
I agree and disagree. On the one hand, it’s immature. On the other, it doesn’t come close to how poor this decision was.
There is no success path here until next year at this point. We just have to wait for 9 to come to his senses, then we’ll hear how MR suddenly got a “better” job somewhere else. If the joke continues, reset that clock another year out at the beginning of next year.
If only college football was won with entitled rich kids who grew up getting paying time because they were the coaches’ sons.
We’d be gold.
They were critical of it (there’s stuff to be critical of!) but that doesn’t mean they think it fucking sucks or hate it. If you listened to them you’d know that. lol
You hear what you wanna hear though!
I also said I didn’t like it. I have reasons to be critical of the decision. That doesn’t mean they or I agree with you that it’s a “Jonathan Riley” disaster.
Angry,
You should start a thread or some conversation here about the disaster waiting to happen for OSU if they don’t get Heyward or Lake for DC. Option 1 being Heyward but if that fails they need to go hard after Lake.
Deathly afraid Beavs could lose out on Heyward and then end up settling hardcore with Hall as DC which would be a disaster. Defense got much worse when he got “more involved” with the defense. Hall needs to be DB coach and a Cali recruiter and definitely not DC or Beavs will be routinely giving up 40+ points.
Riley with likely a fairly non gameday impactful role but OC and DC have more direct influence on game decisions than anyone. OSU needs to be spend the $ to get Heyward, Lake or even the other UW DC should Heyward not make it home to join his Fiesta Bowl teammate and HC Smith.
This is the thread for that. Discuss anything you want.
There is no evidence that Hall will be DC under any circumstances. Its a silly discussion because its simply not going to happen.
Angie points out Heyward would be at OSU if Smith names him DC. Sounds like Smith is snoozing and losing on that one, and Sidd was right, but Smith messed it up.
They mention Riley might not be out recruiting. Then why the fuck hire him? That’s the only thing he’s halfway decent at.
He is fantastic at hoarding timeouts.
… except for those first quarter time-outs where he goes and calls a play for a delay of game.
I never understood that strategy.
Nothing more amazing than a delay of game or a false start coming out of a time out.
What does Angie know? nothing.
Nothing?
Nothing is impossible to know.
Sgt. Schultz disagrees.
OSU sent out the full court press for positive spin today. JoeBeaver show led with JS interview, then an effusive Petros Papadakis, then Ron Callan to end the show. Meanwhile Eggers was on in the Portland market to push the feel good garbage.
Luckily UO named their new coach and diverted attention from Riley later in the day.
We are being told to just get over Riley, and trust that everything will be great. OSU has lost touch with basic fandom. There will always be a dissenting perspective in any circumstance. But to disregard the protion of the fan-base that didn’t want Riley back the 2nd time while doubling down and bringing him back the 3rd time is too much.
I had hoped that OSU would be able to completely cut ties from the Riley coaching tree, influence and legacy. Start fresh with new vision, energy and quality. Now we are going to be locked into this for at least another 10 years. If those old boosters who are so locked into Riley were in there 50’s in 1998, they will be entering their 80’s in 10 years, and diminishing in numbers. But where does that leave OSU football?
If I give in and try to believe that JS has a plan, then my expectation is for:
Heyward DC, Breckterfield DL, Micheal Johnson QB/WR,
Sign Hufanga, and later Johnsons kid at QB
What are you afraid of? Do you think Riley is going to steal the whistle and play calling menu and take over the team? Sounds like unstable paranoia. He’s going to coach a position, get into living rooms and be a sounding board for JS at a bargain price.
Unstable paranoia? How about a reality check against ingrained mediocrity?
Is the new narrative that Riley is the great difference in recruiting? Wasn’t he that as HC? How did that go?
Take emotion out of it and look at who we hired as a position coach. If this was butch jones, Kevin sumlin, or brett bielema, we’d think it was a great hire. I was done with Riley as a head coach but I’m secure enough to realize he’s a great addition as an assistant. And I’m pretty certain that I don’t accept mediocrity in any facet of my life. In fact they just named a port o potty after me in the south end zone. ~ John
Well emotion is out of it for me now. I see who was hired and it is more concerning than encouraging. If Riley proves to be a great asset then so be it, but I have my doubts.
As for accepting mediocrity, OSU has already invested in mediocrity, by settling for the hometown hire. When you bring up Sumlin as position coach, rather than as a valid option as HC, that is part of my concern.
Riley may have his merits, but he also has his flaws, which are glossed over by most who support him. Whether the flaws or the merits influence JS is still to be seen.
Jones, Sumlin and Bielema great hires?
I want some of what you’re smoking. Sumlin would be interesting if I had any interest in air raid or spread run/pass option football.
The other two as great hires? Who is the we in your statement?
Wasn’t smoking. Was drinking Tower Station IPA if you must know.
We = my dog, Dee Riley, the 4 people that didn’t down vote me. I technically only need 1 other in agreement to use ‘we’.
I blame you for this anyway. You assured ‘us’ he wasn’t eligible for rehire at OSU.
Sorry, but anyone who hired Michael Johnson now will not be able to sign his kid. That’s why Nikegon was in such hurry to sign him last year.
Poach Grinch or Lake for DC, big raise for either. Bring in Breckterfield or Salavea at DL, Heyward Ast DC/DBs
Heyward isn’t coming here to coach DBs.
Lateral move, wants to be a HC.
Hall definitely won’t be the DC according to Smith in an article from Moran. Says the new DC will be the one to decide Hall’s fate.
You’re not going to change the tartan spam.
Listened to the Podcast.
Quite a bit of attention on DC and mostly on Heyward.
They made it sound like the 3 best scenarios would be,
1) Heyward as DC ( Bring him home. Made it clear will take being a minimum of Co-DC if not outright DC)
2) Jimmy Lake. (Angie said would be a very good consolation as he is a great recruiter.)
3) Heyward and Bray as Co-DCs
All 3 above work for OSU. What I do not wany to see is Bray as DC by himself as that is the cheap and easy way out and more pandering to Riley’s guys and greater Riley influence. Bray did not even have good LB play this year at Nebby. I’d personally only concede a Co-DC for Bray with Heyward as primary if Heyward is down with it. To me priority should be Heyward or Lake and Bray gets to be LB coach and and the assistant Co-DC if either of the two primary targets are cool with it.
They also harped on OSU needing ace recruiters at this point as a primary focus of completing the staff and both Heyward and Lake are better recruiters than Bray. Heyward is very good in LA which would be a big boost for Beavs and Lake has been one of better Pac-12 recruiters last couple of years and would be a big get just like Heyward. Either of Heyward or Lake announced as primary DC and Beavs win with the hire. Neither and it has to be viewed as a considerable loss as recruiting is paramount.
Max Engelbrekt was arrested on a DUII charge.
Pitchers……smh….
Was it his third strike?
Just listened to more Riley worship on the JB show. One caller says he had a track record of success everywhere he’s been. HUH?! San Diego and Lincoln would disagree.
So tired of fighting the aw shucks Riley-clinging, mediocrity-embracing mentality. So tired. Just everything with this damn program and fanbase is dispiriting and exhausting. This program will be a smalltime joke for the foreseeable future, and deservedly so.
Just can’t.
Death by a thousands gollys.
Job posting for assisstants has beem extended again, to 12/13/2017.
In other words, filling these remaining positions isnt going as planned.
That’s ok, we have Riley, he can fill the remaining positions.
And all the position groups he touches will be unicorns and rainbows just like our national championship days of yore… when Riley was the most awesomest recruiter ever… plu something about four NFL QBs.
Btw, Brad Otton says, “Hey! Thanks a lot!”
The punchline 9 chose to never stop giving.
I see many in the local media have gone all Dear Leader for 9 since he’s chosen MR to be his shadow coach. I suppose the best we’re going to get is to go back to Eggers printing excuse articles on a weekly basis.
Elite.
In my world when you extend an application period it means you didn’t get a good candidate pool…. not a good sign if that is true….
What does it mean when you’ve extended it a 3rd time?
It means they are down to Banker.
Banker was all over it until that dude who saw fit to fire him over the phone showed up.
You know what? If I had to choose between Simple Jack being in charge of “schematics and game planning” and Banker being a position coach I’d take Banker all day.
WFO, you might get both…
Assistant coaches aren’t getting hired out of a pool of applicants. Smith finds someone he wants, offer is extended, and by law, that hire has to submit an application. That’s the reason the deadline keeps getting extended. Application period has to be open for Smith’s hire to submit the application.
So by that two scenarios are possible…. the bad and the ok one….. bad he can’t find anyone who he wants that wants the job or two the ok one is that the coach he wants is under contract until after a bowl….. like maybe the Vegas bowl…. that would be the scenerio I hope for…..
While I agree and understand this, the extensions still indicate he isn’t getting his top choices to come to OSU and/or is taking a really long time identifying his top choices.
Riley will fall in love with Break Luton and convince Jon-Boy to turn him into the next Derek Anderson… mark my words.
We use words like successful, mediocre, elite, etc. But those words are all subjective. I would love to see a thread where people quantify these things. I think some might call mediocrity while others would call them successful. On the other side of that coin, I would expect some would define success at the same levels that others would call unrealistic.
What do you define as a losing culture then?
Success is a subjective term. Mediocre and elite are fairly objective.
Mediocre – from the Latin, meaning halfway up a mountain
Mediocre is better than average but never reaching great.
Elite – a typewriter type providing 12 characters to the linear inch
Wait… sorry.
Elite – the very best of a group
In college football, elite is playing a BCS-level game, whatever they call those now. I wouldn’t rely on rankings, because those are wholly subjective. But it’s hard to escape them when the football powers that be want biased crowd sourcing to be a part of their methodology.
Success is relative.
Question: When someone asks you, “How are you today?” do you say “good” or “well”? One of those is subjective.
9 knows what elite is, because he’s worked for Chris Petersen for years. CP is an elite coach, he knows how to recruit elite players and then put those players in a position to succeed on the field.
My only hope is that it’s so ingrained by this point that it’s the only way 9 knows how to operate and he won’t accept anything less from his assistants. Hope ain’t a plan. But that’s all we’ve got.
One can “know elite” and not be able to execute at the elite level when they are the one in charge.
Correct. I know Jimi Hendrix is elite. Can I play like that? No. But I’m pretty damn good.
Still, spotting elite and executing are totally different beasts. I do think Smith can be successful. With Riley around, that drops his odds from 7/10 to 5/10.
Your post is mediocre. Two votes. Score of zero. Quantified.
I would define mediocrity at OSU football to be hanging around .500 and going to 3 or 4 lower tier bowls in 5 years. That would be an improvement to our current situation. I would define success as bowls 9 out of 10 years, top 2 in northern division 5 out of 10. I would consider elite to be 8 out of 10 years as top two in northern division.
Those are good definitions. Mediocrity, by definition, means “ordinary”. A .500 record is ordinary. it’s not hard to achieve that level. I made analogies to music above. It’s not hard to be a mediocre guitar player and learn a handful of chords. It takes about 3000 hours to achieve the next step of an intermediate to advanced player. It takes another 7000 hours to become a virtuoso. Mediocre is easy. I expect the Beavs to be back to 6 wins soon. Smith is bright. And it’s an easy move. Hell, one good QB can do it alone.
It’s those next steps that become increasingly difficult and where you need all the correct decisions, every second of every day.
There is a saying in music that practice doesn’t make perfect, but practice makes permanent. If you practice sloppy, all you do is ingrain permanent sloppy play. Every second spent on practice has to be mindful, focus, with a clear goal in mind to take those next steps. This is football, music, professions, etc.
We’ll see if OSU tries to double-dip in January, but I have moved all my gifting out of anything football related until the circus leaves town. The process for doing so was poorly desined or communicated. It almost sounds like I might need to get a new credit card to make them stop taking. I’m sure they’ll have it figured out by then.
I’m also not going to gift anything to hoops until the school makes season ticket selection based on seat licensing specific for the sport. I’m so tired of the football fans-not-fans gobbling up good seats then never showing up.
Most of my gifting will go to T&F for now. Maybe we should start getting LAX some funds.
https://securelb.imodules.com/s/359/foundation/index.aspx?sid=359&gid=34&pgid=5495&cid=9352&dids=86
OSU has a good lax program, Utah just sent D1
Taking weeks to put a staff together is unacceptable. I can accept Riley on the staff but I can’t figure out why they can’t get others hired. Even if you were waiting for Heyward (and I think that ship has sailed) you could still talk to him behind the scenes about the other candidates and get them hired.
We have commits in TX who haven’t even heard from the staff. Maybe they don’t want those recruits but you need to at least talk to them. And if you do want them you need to visit them.
I am on board with Smith as HC but I am getting concerned.
I think that in the past it did take weeks to put a staff together. This early signing day has really made teams hire much quicker than in the past.
I do hope he makes more hired pretty soon though. I had thought that this Wednesday seems like the absolute latest he could make the hires and if you look at the updated job postings the new anticipated start date is Monday 12/11 with the closing date Wednesday 12/13. Seems like we get things wrapped up in the next few days.
https://jobs.oregonstate.edu/postings/53042
Maybe it was normal in the past, I guess I feel like any head coaching candidate should have a pretty good idea of who they want and who will take the job before they even interview for a HC job. The coaching fraternity is small, I could see it taking some time to find a RB coach but defensive coordinator should be done quickly. So that he can help put together the rest of the staff.
I don’t think it is for a lack of trying. Combo of factors here. First time head coach, a program that is a dumpster fire with an eternal flame and JS has been out connecting with recruits a lot so that eats time too. I just think it is what it is right now. But I’m not going to jam JS this soon.
See… before I stopped caring because of the poor decision by OSU to not tell 9 that some people will not be rehired, I would have been patient to respect the potential gets of a Heyward or Breckterfield.
I don’t expect anyone who’s okay with Riley’s hiring to understand this, but the perception of our program from a national view is one of pathos… on a good day. It would have been better to save his hiring for last of the assistants. Now prospective assistants have to weigh whether or not they want to work for Mike Riley and put that on their resumes going forward.
Yes… for, not with. That is the perception.
Besides, wasn’t he only hired a week ago?
Jesus, you are an idiot. No coaches are turning down the job because Riley (who is respected in the coaching world even if people on this site dislike him) is on staff.
Believing Riley is preventing hires is a level of stupid only you could demonstrate.
That would be incorrect.
I should amend that.
It would be incorrect to say that no coaches are not applying because Riley is on the staff.
Obviously, any coach offered the job is okay with it.
And what do you have against my framer’s employee? He’s not an idiot. He’s just quiet.
(who is respected in the coaching world even if people on this site dislike him) – not so sure about that. I sometimes got the feeling other coaches, when doing coachspeak about an upcoming game, hadn’t already game planned for his well-known weaknesses – the ones he never would change. “We’re going to run the ball more.”
Urban Meyer sure doesn’t respect him. Made fun of Riley right on air during the Wisconsin game.
What did he say?
I seem to recall a game when Utah kept running the ball for major gains and a victory and, post game, their coach said he couldn’t understand why Riley didn’t stuff the box. Radio announcers for opposing teams often questioned what the Beavs were doing.
Meyer made fun of Riley right on air during a game on October 14th.
Look, I’m not going to argue this. If you want to believe Riley is not respected in the coaching field (they’re are always exceptions) than that is your call. Whatever fits your narrative I guess.
Yet again, you’re conflating the coach and the person. He is immensely knowledgeable about the game. But he cannot transfer that knowledge efficiently to the game. It’s like he can tell you every detail of every play when reviewing it, but he doesn’t pay attention to any details in real time.
Besides, I have it on good authority that a large swath of the coaching world knows Riley has tells. And I’m not talking about his team’s formations or communications. I’m talking about the coach standing on the sideline… who walks and positions himself this way or that when a certain play is called.
Again… details.
Yet again, you’re conflating the coach and the person. He is immensely knowledgeable about the game. But he cannot transfer that knowledge efficiently to the game
Jack is correct.
Maybe I can help people understand using an analogy. In music, there are people who are virtuosos on guitar, know music theory up to the jazz/classic levels, and by all accounts should be internationally well known masters performing in concert halls around the world. But they’re not. They’re in their basements shooting videos for YouTube, trying to eek out a living on there. Why? Because they lack the essential skill of applying knowledge in any musical way. These people know more and play better than the Beatles, yet nobody knows them. They essentially noodle, play fast, and don’t create coherent music ideas. Knowledge is almost worthless without the ability to apply it. It becomes trivia at that point.
This goes for any profession.
People don’t seem to understand that knowledge isn’t power. Applying knowledge in ways that add value is power.
There are different levels and types of respect.
The coaching community respects Riley because he’s a nice guy and has been in the business a long time. It’s the same respect you give to the neighbor’s old half blind terrier vs the respect you give 110# Rottweiler. One you actually have to worry about (Kelly, Harbaugh, Meyer) , the other you talk nice about and focus on the good things it does and ignore it’s one blind eye and the fact that it shits on the floor twice a week.
WFO, also well said. ^
“…who is respected in the coaching world even if people on this site dislike him”
Not gonna speak to the coaching world, but a look at the Huskers “Boneyard” site shows a lot of love from fans for Riley’s character………just not at their school!! Some there feel he’ll be fine at OSU, where there are “such low expectations.”
BTW: several at the Boneyard are now acknowledging just how spot on were angry’s comments there when TPB’s took Riley off our hands.
Hmmm, is it legit to continue to call them “TPB’s”? I tend to think so, they blew three full seasons after all.
That’s the overall message from Nebby fan on his hire here:
Congrats Coach, going home to a place where they don’t care about crappy football couldn’t happen to a classier person. Best of luck to the nicest man I know.
They must hate him?
That would be the narrative when the real, bonafide, joined-the-secret-club-and-know-the-handshake Oregon State Beaver die-hards would classify dissention, valid or otherwise.
No true Scotsman!
It has reached Dear Leader funkiness, not that it didn’t before. But high-level boosters were fed up before (to the point of having gathered his buy-out) and may look at this slap in the face as such. Who knows? Maybe they feel jilted by their university’s lack of standards, like some of us do. Or maybe they see his executive level pay as something manageable and transient.
It’s hard to buy the latter. It feels like a power play by the old guard, a literal slap in the face to the boosters who gathered the buy-out cash then augmented it in order to move it and pay for the VFC upgrade after Riley left.
I really don’t think Frost is going to take them to the glory years either. They may win a west division championship now and then, but Nebby’s time has passed, they just don’t realize it yet.
They just want to see 10 wins first. Then they’ll reset their expectations. Winning their division would put them over the moon at this point.
I’m think Frost does some damage at men by. His problems will come when the fans want helmet splitting run between the tackles football and get more twinkle toe spread type and can’t handle it.
*nebby
@Mckalk, how is Frost expected to win the west when PJ Fleck is going undefeated and winning the National Championship every year?
Commits in Texas who need to hear from OSU? Riley with a second (third, fourth?) home in Texas?
No brainer………….unless, of course, we’re in that 15% of Riley’s time where he is just a sounding board for Smith.
EDIT: intended as a response to youngorst above 8:47 am.
Erickson the true classy coach.
“Dennis Erickson says he will not be part of Jonathan Smith’s staff at Oregon State. Doesn’t want to be looking over his shoulder. But that he will come to games.”
Riley doesn’t have this same decency to let Smith do his thing.
Jesus Christ! U guys r still beating that Riley horse? I don’t like it either but shit don’t let it consume u.
Dead horse = Riley Horse. You finally get it.
I don’t think they are capable of not letting it consume them.
that’s right. we can’t let go because we care about the future of the OSU football program and we feel, check that, know that the decision to bring Riley back is portentous. Heck, even one of the great Riley apologist of all time–Angie Machado–has misgivings about it, calling the decision weird and prospects for next season “dire.” Now you just think of us as Jeremiahs but in truth we’re Cassandras
Even if you are right, spending the next 10 months bitching about it, isn’t gonna change anything.
And, I am gonna let you in on a little secret, just because you think you are right, doesn’t mean you are. You guys can’t predict the future.
And Angie’s dire prediction for 2018 had NOTHING to do with Riley, I agree she questioned the hire but that was not why she called prospects for next season dire. The prospects for next season are dire because the schedule for next season is brutal, not because Riley is on staff.
Yup.^^^^ i guess we don’t care about the team since we don’t whine over and over about the same thing.
Prove it won’t change anything? I think Smith, Barnes, et al getting a barrage of emails showing how unpopular the hire is changes things. For example, if they thought everyone loved Riley, they now know many don’t. Sitting around and being quiet does nothing.
What is sad is how you’ve changed. You went on the NE forums and bashed Riley for how bad he is. And now you’re somehow rationalized this is a good hire, or at worst it won’t affect the team. Bizarre, dude.
They know that their is a vocal group that do not like Riley. But its also time to accept that that group is a vocal minority because it is. That is just reality.
Complaining isn’t gonna change anything, he is on the staff.
And I am not rationalizing the hire, I am not even particularly happy about the hire.
That said, I do think as a position coach he will likely do just fine and (this is where we differ) I don’t think he will infect the program.
If he were head coach I’d be losing my mind too. But he isn’t. He’ll be coaching TE’s or DB’s and probably do a decent job.
I also accept that Smith was probably always gonna go to him for advice (rather he was on the staff or not) so that was never something that was gonna be avoided.
My gripes with Riley were mostly about him as a HC, he isn’t the HC now so I have little reason to freak out over this.
Well we will know in year one. Dave in Tumwater made the point that the unit Riley coaches will likely be the worst unit in year one. If that’s true, do you come back admit error?
The only benefit to Riley that I see if he will get money from 80 year old delusional donors who think he’s the best they can do, and maybe make some recruiting inroads with old fashion homely moms who want a nice guy in charge of their kid.
As noted above, knowledge means shit unless the person knows how to apply the knowledge. This is especially true in the modern game where things move fast. Coaches adapt fast, figure things out, and counter (e.g. Chip’s offense seemed indefensible 10 years ago, and is basically obsolete now via it’s ubiquitous-ness at all levels of football. HS kids grow up seeing that offense, no surprises.) The true greats adapt and change with the profession they’re in. Riley never did, and that’s why the game passed him by long ago.
Vocal minorities are just that but rise in time. 10 years ago I was writing to one or two guys. Now my site is hitting 6 million views and thousands of readers. So I totally disagree with you. Yeah, it takes time and hard work, and we’re a minority, but if one person becomes enlightened every day, week, or even year then we’re winning slowly. Take Sprague and Machado…they loved Riley and defended him to the death for decades. When he left, they basically bashed him and said he was done and we needed change, and now they don’t like the hire. People are waking up. I don’t care if it takes forever or we’re a minority for now. I’m going about this methodically and letting BeaverNation know we don’t have to be losers. That’s my message. If they want to view it as negative, anti-their-prodigal-grandpa, etc, that’s a them problem (not a me problem – I want what is best for OSU), and you can only hope one day they are enlightened and see there are greener pastures. It just takes the right leaders and decisions and a vision lead by expectations rather than fear or comfort.
If they know there is a segment of OSU alums and boosters that see this slap in the face for what it is, then they can accept the consequences of their decision.
They’re adults, and they’re human. They did the wrong thing, and they will hear about it every day until they leave and we can get someone in our AD who can maintain simple standards for best management practices.
The “minority” of which you speak is not as minor as you think, and you will find this out with the rest of them. There are a lot of very silent, angry alums out there. Many of them were Mike Riley fans and think his performance was fine, albeit declining, when he told you and me and everyone that he’s just too good for OSU.
That hire was guaranteed to get this reaction every day that man is pulling down a six figure salary from my now nationally embarrassed school.
Every. Damn. Day.
That program did the wrong thing. It made its bed, and it can lie in it.
The “minority” of which you speak is not as minor as you think, and you will find this out with the rest of them. There are a lot of very silent, angry alums out there.
So true.
That program did the wrong thing. It made its bed, and it can lie in it.
Also true. OSU has to run the Minnesota Twins model. We’re a small market team that needs to execute with 100% efficiency — all the right decisions to rise above the blue bloods. With Barnes, Riley, Ray, and all the idiots in charge, that simply will not happen. Smith is bright and has good ideas, and that’s the sad thing. Not sure they will blossom as they should due to the other folks around him.
Yes, if Riley’s position group is the worst group on the team I will admit error. I doubt that will be the case. But I will gladly admit I was wrong.
I don’t give a tenth of a care about anyone he coaches or their performances. If we go undefeated net year, we have still done the wrong thing.
Actually, I agree with you, Jack.
I was just wondering if he’d have the balls to admit it.
Honesty from Angry is refreshing. He will never admit if his opinion was wrong. Many years of bashing Riley (plenty of which was justified) had caused an emotional hatred of the man. The narrative is now set, JS will be a failure regardless of the results.
Jack is just just stuck on this HR issue. Moral litmus test that he is going to press forever.
I get it.
You think loyalty, respect and honor are HR issues.
You think vaporizing your principles for this guy is okay, because this guy is just awesome… or maybe because you think 9 is Dear Leader… and we won’t make the same mistakes that 99.9% of everyone else made when they made the same poor decisions that eventually bit them in the asses and made poor decisions like these known to be poor, thus making them common sense standards… because we’re smarter than 99.9% of everyone ever.
I’m not buying.
I will never budge on loyalty, respect or honor. I will fail at some of them at various times. But I will make my failures whole, and that has never included me inserting myself in the life of those I’ve wronged.
There is just so much wrong about this situation. But now we’re stuck with it for at least a year.
For anyone who wants to trot out the “careful what you wish for” canard, who do you blame for the last three years? Do you blame GA? You’d be correct. Do you also blame the guy who ditched us, causing us to search for a new coach?
You had better gawd damned do that, or you’re a friggin’ hypocrite.
He took the easy way out twice, and he got rewarded twice. A better than mediocre coach who had yet to show disloyalty might have taken us to greater heights on the wave of enthusiasm DE left. This is a coach who took that enthusiasm and drove it into the dirt. He needed a come to Jesus talk with a mega-booster to finally start working.
And when that mega-booster died, he honored the man by going back to skating.
You do what you want with this program. Enjoy it, or don’t.
If you want to talk about OSU football, I’ll be stuck on this until OSU football is no longer stuck on this.
What a great Army Navy game this year
Go Army beat Navy
And what a great outcome! All the way!
It sucked. Like watching the Beavs f up their chance to win.
At least Navy’s kicker had the distance from 48 yards unlike the Beavs four star, who was consistently short from anything longer than 45!
True, but the two false start penalties where very Beaver/ Riley like.
So Riley, false start their way right back out of FG range!
Unfortunately, Ken Goe has a platform and he thinks the Riley rehire is great and also gave himself kudos for saying that those who wanted Riley gone three years ago were being short sided. He is sort of gloating in his article.
As bad as Andersen was, he was worth the risk and refreshing. Does anyone who actually “gets it” (unlike Goe) think Andersen was a bad hire? In retrospect, sure, but at the time, no. I still have no regrets about it. Big reward requires big risk. Mediocrity doesn’t require much risk at all.
Andersen’s flaws were (a) he never found a QB, which I noted in early 2015 as the only reason he’d fail and (b) he allegedly impregnated female who wasn’t his wife/drank too much.
The cupboard is more full now than when Riley left. We just need a QB and D maturity/leadership.
Anderson got someone pregnant?? I’ve literally never heard that before. Story?
Cheerleader. That’s why he’s gone.
Rumored to be skirt-chaser at WI, too, which could explain the bolting from there.
Caveat for legal reasons. 99.99999999999999~% sure.
Infinitesimal/asymptotic chance I’m wrong. You can understand now why Sprauge was shocked with his vague tweet that he was too cowardly to elaborate on.
I knew I should have gone into coaching!
That caveat saved you a subpoena, bub. Smart.
Big boy pants takes on a whole new meaning.
Yes, but wouldn’t he be taking off his big boy pants instead of putting them on in this scenario????
He put his big boy pants back on after his little boy was finished.
Whatever happened with the whole weird mess, I hope the truth comes out. The national narrative is that the OSU job is so impossible, the coach walked away from 12 million dollars just to get out of it. Which is bullshit.
ew angry i’m gonna puke
Hmmm… looking at your avatar, I’m gonna guess morning sickness.
It’s funny how the Oregon media is acting like Riley’s tenure at Nebraska never existed. His coaching philosophy and style drove that program backwards in just three short years. Mike Riley is accountable for that! For all of Bo Pelini’s faults he never won less than nine games. Riley had two losing seasons out of three. If Jonathan Smith needs Riley’s mentorship then in my opinion he’s not ready for the job!
Pelini was good. I tried to warn NE fans of that. They now admit in the boneyward I was 100% correct.
https://nebraska.247sports.com/Board/142/Contents/The-Husker-head-coach-isnt-taking-any-time-off-away-from-the-game-111906543
Riley hit all kinds of historical futility records there, and with really good players that Pelini recruited.
If Jonathan Smith needs Riley’s mentorship then in my opinion he’s not ready for the job!
It comes off as the HC being scared, whether he is or isn’t.
And also 38 years old is not that young, NFL coaches out there who are younger than Smith. If Smith is not completely ready than Barnes was an idiot not to go with the DE as head coach/Smith coach-in waiting idea when he had the chance to take it.
Or Baldwin….you’d get the PNW ties/culture and not the nepotism and insecurity that Smith is showing. I’ve never heard a coach say he needs an old guy around as a mentor. It’s weird. I like Smith. I don’t like the latent insecurity he’s showing.
this is driving me crazy. nebraska was a perfect example of Riley going to another team completely blank slate and wham, they suck–in an impressively short amount of time. I’ve heard rationalizations like it “wasn’t a good fit.” How was it not a good fit? He actually had more opportunity to win given all the resources and what not. And he literally drove it over a cliff. The fans even liked his personality so “not a good fit” is just rationalizing him actually being a BAD COACH and a paycheck collector.
Another thing that’s driving me crazy is everyone calling him a “good guy” over and over. Honestly, he’s just someone who knows the right things to say to get people to like him and give him money. If he were an actual good guy he would realize his time is up and he would stay far away from coaching.
Yeah, I can become a good guy in one post: sorry for being so negative. Everything is going to be golden moving forward. We made the best hires possible. Derp derp derp. Gee golly.
Correct. The only bad fit was he sucked at winning games.
that would be a great April Fool’s day post for Angrybeavs, heh
The thing that is being mixed here is that Riley is not the head coach here. He is finished as a head coach. Angry had been right about that for years. He was a bad hire for Nebraska. He should have been fired from OSU. We can all agree on that. An assistant position is different. He may be out of gas and be a failure as an assistant as well and I will certainly admit it if he is.
The silly thing is that regardless of the actual results in the field, Riley will be blamed on this site for any problems. When you have a bias, supporting data is easy to find.
Sorry, but the national perception of Riley as Jon Boy’s training wheels is a done deal. You’re aim ain’t true. If 9 fails, it will be Riley’s influence. If he succeeds, it will not be due to his own coaching acumen.
This, if anything, should have been clear on day 1.
This is only day 3.
Enjoy the remainder.
At this point I don’t think OSU football odds relevant enough for there to be a perception. This site is where that perception lives
You need to experience life outside your bubble.
You are 100% wrong about perception being only here. Our local, regional and national media blurbs have all been talking about Mike Riley being rehired. 9 is talking about his hire of Mike Riley. Everybody is talking about OSU rehiring Mike Riley.
The reports are innocuous in themselves. But 9 is no longer the news at OSU according to just about everyone out there.
Then you get into the fan forums and comment sections… hoo boy!
We’re a joke nationally.
The perception here is not that we’re a joke. It’s that our AD has zero control over the football program anymore, and the outcome of that disarray is predictable–national perception being a part of that.
This was only day 4.
I’ll bet you can’t wait for day 5.
Why am I even responding to you?
You would eschew honor, respect and integrity to… well… I think you think you’re winning an argument and/or making a point.
You’re doing none of the latter but succeeding nicely at all the former.
Cheerleader???
Female????
I always wondered what happened to Larry, the chainsaw guy.
Everybody was ecstatic when GA was hired. It was like we hit the lotto. The only question was why he would leave such a great situation in Madison? It seemed too good to be true and it turned out it was.
It is such a goddamn cliche, but “too good to be true” works almost 100% of the time in life!
“Something called him to Corvallis” or whatever he said…yeah, new/fresh beaver without any lawsuits tied to it (yet).
That was obvious bullshit at the time………………..
It was a “Higher Power” = The power of the poon!
The irony was Bielema was hosing everything in sight in Madison before he got married and one of the reasons he left was his new wife got sick of all the rumors and running into all of his ex conquests.
Both of those guys are so gross it’s impossible for me to even imagine, and I’m a very creative person.
The Lane Kiffin stuff I can understand. That dude must be a slayer. I bet a lot of these guys go into the profession for “opportunity”….
Great.
Now every time I listen to Procol Harum, I’m going to visualize Bert dressed in nothing but a morion.
Those who wanted MR gone three years ago paid for the VFC.
Perhaps they get a refund?
To be fair, Goe is/was:
1. beat up about his constant “OSU is a crap school who can never get anyone good” narrative.
2. a moron.
I’m surprised he isn’t wagging his ass in front of fifth graders who dare to wear Beav swag in public. That’s about the persona I get from his writing… probably with alcohol involved.
I was reading the link Angry posted to that Nebby Boneyard site……….what the fuck? Are they 9 years old……”no cussing is allowed here”. I would still call them “poor bastards”, they still don’t seem to know what hit them with Riley. I’ve always hated Nebraska football, I hope Frost peaks out at about nine wins also. They should just prop Osborne up on the sideline and run the wishbone, it’s the only thing that will make them happy.
I read that thread the other day and saw somewhere that they don’t allow words like “poop” either. Super lolz.
I’m not convinced Frost is as good as they think. Way better than Riley, so they got an upgrade and should be happy. But if they want NCs Frost isn’t given them that.
They’re dorks. They say not to curse, then they lash out like lunatics the moment you try to simply warn them Riley is bad.
Where do u guys get this time?
I take it you’re not mobile.
The poll over on Benny’s House is absurdly in favor of ol Riley, no idea why though
Because they’re cheerleaders. Tell them to watch out for GA.
Good one!
Just speculating but I think it’s like identity politics, they identify him as part of their in-group and they are like that themselves. That’s why they get so offended when people attack Riley–because it’s like an attack against themselves.
You need to understand basic human psychology. I’ve never taken one psych course in my life, but I “get it” naturally for whatever reason (not to brag, I just find people so simple to see through).
People want to feel optimistic and good. It beats feeling down, realistic, or negative.
This is why people rationalize difficult situations.
Hell, I can rationalize why Riley is a good hire. It just takes a few “what if”/”best case” scenarios based on things that happened ~ 10-20 years ago to formulate that rationalization.
That goes both ways. For some reason some people think that rationalizing is only for people that want positive outcomes. Isn’t it possible you have been critical for so long that you no longer even like the Beavers?
Um… no.
That’s a huge inductive leap.
Isn’t it possible that you’ve been critical of being critical for enough time that you don’t even know what being critical is?
See?
Clearly
Can you learn “everything there is to know about missiles” in “probably a couple hours”?
‘I “get it” for whatever reason (not to brag..’
You’re funny, angry. I’ve seen your theories about human psychology be pretty rigid, and then you use confirmation bias to reaffirm them.
Benny’s House is Pollyanna Beavs.
^^ What BeavGirl said is also true.
COACHING STAFF: Does anyone think Smith still has a shot at Heyward? I’d like to buy the thought that it is just a matter of waiting till their bowl game but there is this from the Red Guard:
http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/36234814-81/story.csp
They expected WT to sign that extension also. That didn’t work out like they thought it would.
Is Keith Heyward tight with Smith (or even Riley)? Just looking at this from a current view, why would he return? Is it the relationships? As it stands, why wouldn’t Heyward want to wait and see what Leavitt does and get promoted to DC at Oregon? I don’t like to deal in fantasy, like those who speculated about Sumlin coming here as OC and that kind of bullshit. My reality says there’s no reason for Heyward to come to Oregon St unless Leavitt is staying at Oregon.
In retrospect, they should have removed this sign from GA’s office.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464644886525307458/
The link doesn’t work. Goes to a front page with a million images.
Top left. You will remember it.
Haha.
The Heyward situation is simple: he wants to be a HC one day, and he will follow the path that leads to that. If OSU offers him DC and Oregon doesn’t, he’ll go to OSU.
He should have been offered DC by Oregon State a week ago. Determine your top two targets ( Heyward and Lake by far the best two) and go get one of them.
The problem lies in 600K amount they are hoping for is too low and this blog was full of people saying it needed to be 750-800K if Beavs wanted a legit exciting name who is also a top recruiter.
Instead Beavs will overpay someoone like Bray who shoild earn 200-250K as LB coach and nake him a n undeserving DC because he’ll be all over the 600K cause it is above his true worth.
OSU would rather save 150K on tbe wrong guy for the job then get the right man for the job and pay him proper market value. The GAP analysis Barnes and Ray said they did to determine what it will take to get top coordinator talent to OSU is B.S.
Heywards assistant coach contract doesn’t allow him to talk to us, which would just cost us more money in the end. I don’t think bray will get anything but LB coach. The guy from Wyoming I think will get it if Heyward doesn’t take it.
Or #anyonebutBanker
What’s wrong with Banker?
He can call in plays over the phone… because that’s a legit thing now.
Banker can get on Snapchat from the box with his phone and video the hand jive
I can see Banker with whiskers and cartoon eyes.
It’s almost halftime, and the Fighting Tinkles are in a 28-27 dogfight with an 0-9 team. Sheesh.
Lousy defense horrible 3pt %
Why does Tinkle play Stacy, he is not D1
He is a distant relative of one of his asst. coaches?
Beavs gave APB confidence now APB is unconscious. we need better 3pt shooting.
Kevin O’Neill is sort of a douche, but he nailed it. Speaking about the Beavs, “if this team doesn’t rebound and play defense it’s going to be hard for them to compete in this league”. He also ripped on Eubanks for taking plays off.
It seems like game after game, some no name mid-major guard has the game of his life from three point land against this team because they can’t or don’t defend the line. If Tinkle is coaching, his team doesn’t listen.
He is not kind of a douche, he is a douche.
Less of a douche because he was actually speaking the truth about the Beavers. Funny thing is I think someone higher up in the P-12 Network got the word down to him to knock off the criticism because he really lightened up in the second half. He was brutal on the team in the first half.
The Pac has done really poorly in non-con play this year.
UCLA gifted Michigan a win this morning.
Hey, we covered!…But yet another game where they shoot >% than us from 3… Watch out this next game Jacksonville St. is 28th in the nation in 3P%…
Hey, we covered!…But yet another game where they shoot >% than us from 3… Watch out this next game Jacksonville St. is 28th in the nation in 3P%…
Eggers: When did Riley say he wants to be the Joe Pa of the West?
“Mike’s said he wants to be the Joe Paterno of Oregon State,” DeCarolis said. “So we’ll put something together to make (his contract) a lifetime deal.”
Lifetime deal was Riley’s idea and Jo Pa of the West was also first conceived by Riley. Both were really bad ideas it turned out.
I’m not sure what this has to do with anything now.
This was well known years ago. Joe Pa West skipped out.
Doesn’t gave anything to do with bow except Eggers sending tweets out like Riley has never said it or believed it. Riley continues to show he will gladly take a paycheck from Oregon State as long as they let him. 70 or more years old and he’ll still be trying to pull this sh*t. Nothing at Nebraska said hire this guy. It screamed run away.
Exactly right, Eggers is outright saying the Joe Pa thing never existed. Continuing to build the narrative that Riley is the only one who can guide this program. I used to think Eggers was a good source, but like others, it is a “consider the source” thing with him now.
Speaking of, how soon till Lindsay finishes her pile of doughnuts and pens a piece on the return of St. Mike?
Huh?
Why would he do that?
So Riley is now senile and will sit in the box with headphones on, reflecting on curiosities of how a man could molest children and no one said anything?
Perhaps he doesn’t read the Olive.
Beavs MBB finish with a strong second half. OSU pulls away 85 – 58.
WBB today, Sunday, at 2pm streamed by the school. Link listed as:
http://pac-12.com/live/oregon-state-university
Rueck talks about “togetherness” in a short video, complete with a quick peek at our gal Mandy around the 3 minute mark.
https://twitter.com/BeaverAthletics/status/938566241601576960
This was the first I’d seen of anything on Riley’s upcoming role:
“”The schematics, the game planning, the recruiting, the (talent) evaluation, that’s going to be 85 percent of his job,” Smith said. ”
That doesn’t sound like a minor role, even in some sort of advisory capacity. Reading that, all of the concerns voiced here are very valid. At least he didn’t include adjustments and time outs….
OT: I don’t track the Heisman stuff much, but I saw that Baker Mayfield’s only scholarship offer was WSU….also noted that Stanford has consistently had players garner significant Heisman votes the last several years. Guessing that includes Luck(?), McCaffery, and now Love. Pretty impressive for them to get players in there consistently.
OT: Anyone watch Army/Navy? Read like an interesting game and only three passes….”three yards and a cloud of snow?”
It was the best game I have ever seen. Two option teams battling it out on the ground, no passing. Dang thing only took about two hours to play. Football as it was meant to be.
Technically, Riley could do 1% of the game planning, 1% of the talent evaluation 1% of the recruiting and do 85% of his job (as long as he does 0.7% of something else). That would be a minor role.
Not saying that’s how it’s going down but it is consistent with the statement.
That would warrant an executive level salary.
or 3.7% of one.
Smith’s comment that “I don’t know what I don’t know” didn’t sit right with me either. He’s been an OC for several years and I assume he has been closely observing how Chris Petersen (one of the best) conducts business. What doesn’t Smith know that Riley needs to show him? Where the best bike paths in Corvallis are?
I mean, if Smith had just said something like I’m hiring Mike Riley to coach quarterbacks, I could sort of live with that, but it’s the overt “I need a mentor” stuff that has me concerned. Even if Smith feels that he’s not quit ready, he shouldn’t be tipping his hand about it. DE has the right attitude with the “he doesn’t need me looking over his shoulder” comment. Maybe Smith reached out to DE and for Smith’s own good, DE said no. Unfortunately, Smilin’ doesn’t have that perspective.
How to ignore a rape
Why does that concern you? I think it demonstrates a level of self awareness, this is his first head coaching job, no matter how much he observed Peterson, they’re are gonna be things that come up that he never envisioned. I much prefer a leader that recognizes he doesn’t know everything already than one that claims he does (when he clearly doesn’t).
You’re not wrong about self-awareness.
But what about MR’s actions (not words) can 9 learn? Anything good should already be a part of his process as learned from a vastly superior coach in Petersen. He now gets to regress compared to who his mentor was. What’s he going to learn… how to take the edge off your team and make them look soft and apathetic?
Who ever said “self awareness” was a good trait in a football coach, anyway! Look, he’s almost 40 years old and has been coaching for 15 plus years, he doesn’t need Riley even though he thinks he does. Why can’t Riley and DE for that matter just be a phone call away? I’d like to see the cord cut, but it didn’t happen. As in all that we speculate about on here, time will once again be the indicator.
EVERYBODY doesn’t know what they don’t know — and that’s exactly the stuff that can bite (or in things like combat) kill you. I’ve no problem at all with someone who is aware of that as long as he doesn’t let it freeze him when a decision is needed.
…and a significant number of big decisions have to be made with less than complete information.
Erickson comments on Smith and cristabol hires:
“Hire a good staff. That’s the most important thing,” Erickson said. “One advantage I had over both those guys, I’d been around the block. I had a lot of contacts throughout the country. The coaches I had were experienced guys. Make sure you get the right guys. Guys that are loyal to you. That’s the most important thing, guys who will go to the end with you. No back stabbing… Loyalty.”
With that said, will Riley be loyal or will he be back stabbing? Only time will tell.
I think out of all the hires so far Riley would be my biggest worry concerning loyalty. Time will tell.
What worries me more then Riley infecting the staff with mediocrity is what will the media (eggers, ect) do? I have a feeling they will try and bypass Smith to talk to their old pal Riley, and by doing that, cause problems within the staff?
I thought about that point also. I wonder how much the talk will be about Riley during the first game of the season? It can’t but take some of the focus off of Smith. Who knows, maybe JS wants it that way?
The question has been asked here about what good it does to complain about the hiring of Riley (as ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH, not merely a position coach as some frame their mention of him).
Seems to me one very small benefit is that some in the media, knowing there is a sizable group of fans who don’t like the idea, may actually downplay his involvement. Probably wishful thinking on my part, time will tell. The only thing I want to learn about him is how much OSU is paying, other than that, I think we’ve all seen enough.
So, this is my own opinion but AHC is a title that often has little meaning other than ‘this guy has more experience than most position coaches so here is an additional title”
In reality, every coach (coordinator, head, assistant head, and position) is participating in virtual every aspect of coaching (game planning, recruiting, etc….) so to me (and again this is my opinion) the tile is largely meaningless.
He is a position coach, anything he does beyond that could/would be done if he was a consultant/just a guy Smith trusts.
It really doesn’t matter, but you’re correct. Locey carried the title for years.
“…if he was a consultant/just a guy Smith trusts.” And that is exactly where MR should be, IMO. A consultant. Not in a position to stifle the input of other members of the staff.
To say that the title he has been given is meaningless when the staff discusses various topics may be valid; to think that his presence in staff meetings will not inhibit others is not nearly so valid.
How frustrating it will/would be for an energetic position coach to listen to Riley’s “aw shucks” schtick. Particularly in view of his on field results over the last several years.
One thing is for sure, titles often are used to justify increased pay. But, whatever he is paid, it’s not the main reason for concern over his presence on this staff.
Since it’s a general thread, Altman’s playing his “plausible denial” act for the second time in four years. Of course, he’s protected by the administration once again.
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/12/07/dana-altman-oregon-kavell-bigby-williams-investigation
That’s not really news. What do you expect him to say?
“Yeah… I knew about it after I talked to people in the know some dozen times in a one day period. And I knew just contacting these people was against Nikegon policy as established for a more efficient cover-up of our Title IX violations.”
?
I’m sure if we went to meet the man, he’d be a peach of a dude. That would mean he couldn’t have possibly done something this bad… a second time.
I want that corrupt fucker to confess! Is that so wrong?
A confession? How about a conviction?
Down vote Altman?
Mediocrity
The Best Hope for Our Beavers
All Hail Mike Riley
“Well gosh, golly we are one win away from the bag o taters bowl. All we need as a win in the CW.
That would be a neat deal. I think I won one of those, Dee claims I did, but my memory isn’t what it used to be. I think my brain got some frostbite in Lincoln. I do miss those Runzas. I told Jonathan we should serve those suckers in Reser. I also suggested an inflatable tunnel so we can copy their tunnel walk. Still mad at the Huskers not letting me use the chainsaw noise in Memorial stadium.
Probably cost 5-6 victories. They sure are hung up on those in Lincoln.”
Isn’t “hail” two syllables?
Negative.
Respect the haiku! :P
You sound like someone who hates people who kneel for the National Anthem but are a-okay with the more disrespectful addition of the flag to an athletic uniform.
If we were to count the on in your haiku, it wouldn’t be an haiku.
I know this has been discussed, but I’ve been out and am still shocked at this hire.
From Eggers: “”Oh, my gosh, can you believe it?” Riley said. “It’s the best thing. I’m so thankful. We’ve been around the block. The timing of all this was perfect. The fact that I’ll get to work under a guy I’ve admired and enjoyed for so many years at a place I love, with the reconnection with my family here — I’m just so thankful for it.
“I’m really excited about the opportunity to get this going again like we can. I’m really fired up.”
OMGosh can you believe it?!? They took me back AGAIN! After I left the cupboard bare! And left!
From Canzano “…when Nebraska called, Riley not only had a serious conversation about the job, but brought the potential move to his wife. Per Riley, his wife said, “This is something we should look at,” and once they’d decided to go, all that was left was to call De Carolis and OSU president Edward Ray and tell them he was out.
Riley said Tuesday that the phone call lasted 30 seconds. Riley told De Carolis he was leaving for Nebraska. Per Riley, De Carolis said, “Wow.””
Its difficult for me to imagine a scenario where anyone with that level of pay and responsibility makes a 30 second call to say they’re quitting. And then they’re brought back. “Wow” indeed.
It’s right in line with someone who would fire a good friend over the phone.
But… but… actions don’t define a person.
Oh… and apparently he’s become some master recruiter and magically has some .800 record when we adjust it for OSU-suckitude… that has nothing to do with the fans who accept said suckitude.
But… you know… simple decency, loyalty, respect and honor are all an HR issue that nobody cares about.
The “wow” was probably followed by “how could they be that stupid, football is important there.”
I’ve seen so much revisionist history about MR and what he’s “done for OSU” in the last three days.
I emailed Eggers with angry’s rumors about Andersen. Eggers claims to have no evidence of either one.
Women lead San Jose St 61-33 at the half
Which rumors are those?
I’d love to hear a little more about Andersen leaving. Not trying to look backwards at all, but definitly have curiousity still
That’s pretty amazing because professors, students, and everyone around town has talking about it for weeks. Just shows how out of touch Eggers is, or his new job is to lie to protect the Uni. Seems he suffers from Parker syndrome now, too.
Why Eggers? Get Lil’ Danny Moran on the case now! Remember the “background check King” did stellar work destroying Luke Heimlich! I bet Danny’s got his background check machine in overdrive!
Dummy Moron has me blocked
85-48 end 3rd
Final 110-62
I agree with the previous post that I want the truth out on Anderson because as was already stated the way it went down left OSU as the reason verses GA as the reason.
I didn’t get that sense at all.
It was all GA, his hiring deficiencies and his inability to handle the consequences of his hiring deficiencies.
The “OSU is a graveyard of a program” narrative floated by our own media and carried nationally will never be avoided until we get out of our own way. Going back to look at whatever truth or rumors exist will only feed the fire. In fact, they will give a black eye to the program as a whole, probably removing any enthusiasm we might now have and aren’t actively trying to remove ourselves.
Isaac hodgins, is he good enough to start as a freshman? We are dire need of some d-lineman, wondering how the recruiting is going on that? Anybody know?
No, Hodgins probably needs to add 30 pounds of muscle. He is an ideal redshirt candidate.
This team needs JUCO help on the DL.
No jucos. They are a waste in a rebuild
Craig Evans agrees.
If Riley was a fall practice consultant who worked for a few weeks it would have been no big deal and more importantly no distraction. People assumed worst case was QB coach and that was wven too much for what most fans wanted.
Then we hear Asst Head Coach?? NOOOOO!!!!! Waste of a recruiting spot IMO.
Was getting warmed up to Smith amd then this kick to the balls. Am a guy who wants to be into the direction of the program and starting a new turn with a generationally relevant coach but Oregon State can’t keep themselves from hitting repeat with guys like Ed Ray and Mike Parker still involved. Sucks that we will have to wait at least 5 more years for Ray to step down and Parker and Riley to retire for this program to have a real shot at relevance.
Too many bad actors involved in the program that will put a firm 7 win cap on this thing until they leave and let real change happen. Book your tickets to Boise for the Idaho Potato Bowl cause it isn’t going to get much better until all of Parker, Riley and Ray are gone.
A lot of Beaver fans would be thrilled with 7 wins. So that would just mean more Parker, Riley, and Ed Ray.
Right now, I think every Beaver fan should be thrilled with 7 wins.
But the idea that any assistant hire puts a cap on your program is absurd.
Smith and his staff as a whole (recruiting) will determine the cap of this program.
Anybody who’s managed a staff knows that at a certain point, you are limited by the weakest link(s). The group can meet a certain state of progress, but those people weak links become your limiting factors.
Riley is mediocre and untrustworthy (in contrasts to Smith’s stated preference for “elite” and “people I can trust”). Riley accepts losing, he accepts poor in-game management, he accepts poor performance from subordinates. He will put a cap on the program both in recruiting and in the number of wins.
He is mediocre as a HC, that doesn’t mean he is mediocre as a position coach. Plenty of bad/mediocre HC make quality assistants.
It’s odd.
Isn’t the obscurity of his current position admitting that he doesn’t have as much value as an OC as does Lindgren? It’s the position I would have thought he would get at any other school… sort of like Norv Turner, another great OC who is just not a good HC.
I’m guessing Lindgren is the first to have to look over his shoulder.
“Golly, I’ve got some neat ideas for little Johnny about timeouts and clock management. Third and long is a specialty of mine. Play action on third and 25 never fails to trip up the defense. I sure hope that rumor about Chip being at UCLA is false. That guy is a real pain in the behind. Just doesn’t play football fair.”
Prophetic statement from GA’s hiring at Wisconsin….
Wisconsin Hired Gary Andersen From Utah State: Well Played, Barry …
thebiglead.com/…/wisconsin-hired-gary-andersen-from-utah-state-well-played-barry-alv…
Dec 19, 2012 – seems like Barry just found a younger version of himself, will be curious to see if Andersen also has an affinity for booze and cheerleaders. Would be awesome if he’s also involved in a long term romantic liaison with a hobbit politician. mmonast • 4 years ago. Alternatively: Iowa fans should be unhappy …
Wow, that dude nailed it. With the abrupt exit at wincy, I wonder if the same thing happened there?
The way he’s talking about Alvarez and the rumors about Bert doing the same, I don’t think anyone would have batted an eye at that kind of behavior from the head coach of Wiscy.
Wisconsin cheerleaders are easy…
Cheesehead has more than one meaning…
with Riley being a mentor I see the Beavs peaking at 5 wins over the next five seasons. If he wasn’t and just stuck to recruiting and developing safeties and tight ends, 7.
Man, this makes NO sense. You want to get rid of the stink of losing, and you put a pile of dog shit on the sidelines.
To me a big question is, why would Smith do this? Pressure from the Riley lovers still around? Riley bought himself huge leverage from his nice guy image. And from being a good coach early in his OSU stint. But then he stunk up the place, went to Nebraska and stunk it up there.
Or is Smith so insecure he needs daddy Riley to prop him up? Doesnt Smith realize if he gets some success, many will attribute it to Riley?
Riley has to still have a strong lobby around OSU. Wait for the media to want a Riley interview rather than talking to Smith.
Unbelievable. Only at OSU…
Is it possible that Smith simply thinks Riley can do a good job? I mean, it could be that simple.
“Is it possible that Smith simply thinks Riley can do a good job?”
Based on what results? In a what have you done lately competitive landscape how can Riley be acceptable? He wasted DA and Steven Jackson teams by only winning 8 games, nearly created riots in the stadium when he started Matt Moore, struck gold with Rodgers bros but still couldn’t finish it, then coasted through Wheaton,Cooks, Mannion with lots of passing yds but never sniffed a championship.
I wanted a fresh start of no one connected to Riley or GA. Instead we have a new nice guy who isn’t sure of himself and he brings in the nicest guy in college football as his mentor. Does anyone seriously think JS will outcoach Chris Petersen, David Shaw, Chip Kelly, Mike Leach, even Rich Rod, Wilcox, Wittingham? JS will only beat those guys if he is gutsy, aggressive, timely, disciplined, prepared, in order for his team to be those things on the field. How is Riley going to help him be any of these qualities?
My thought process on the Mike Riley hire is he is taking a back seat approach OR he’s right there going along with JS on recruiting trips and helping him “get the commit” with the recruits. I don’t see Riley as the guy who wants to be a HC again. He’s realizing he still wants to coach, but isn’t “in the game” anymore when it comes to running the whole thing. If Smith was smart, which I believe he is, he would leave Riley out of certain aspects of player personnel/disciplinary actions if any were to arise, and even certain behind the scenes stuff. Riley doesn’t need to know every little detail that’s going on in the VFC, just what he needs to know type attitude.
That you have to torture reality at all in order to make it palatable is the problem.
I won’t get into what MR can actually add to the staff, but it is far less than the integrity lost in hiring him.
If someone were interested in taking a youtube video, editing it with soundbites and images of mike riley, overlaying the people and audio in the original video, what would be a good, free editing program to use for such a project?
Just curious….
So there seems like a lot of semi-related decommits coming across the Twitter the last day or two. TCU. Colorado. Any chances of a couple of surprise last minute flips for the new coaches?
Michalzik was one of UA’s better recruiters. You’d think he would have one or two guys he could flip.
Saw a kid decommit from Nebraska too. Wonder if he’s gonna follow Simple Jack? Or it could have been Frost with the “we’re honoring your offer, but go look around” move.
Sounds he will end up at A&M.
Interesting info just came through. Makes you wonder about the search firm, etc. My gut feeling that this was all a clandestine maneuver to get an unpopular Riley back in the saddle has more merit.
Saturday Nov 18th of dads weekend the Riley family was openly talking about JS being hired as the HC, and MR coming back as an assistant. They were openly talking about it in town.
I have heard the very same thing from a person who heard
them openly talk about it.
This whole thing seems like it was set up behind the scenes.
The search firm seems more like for appearances.
Anyhow, it makes this crazy situation make sense.
No way this was just thrown together.
If you remember, early on we heard Erickson was coming in as a HC and Smith would take over after 3 years. Eventually that changed to Erickson as mentor. And then eventually that turned into Riley. That Smith/coach in waiting/mentor thing was one of the first rumors. The media wrote it off as unlikely and seemed to scoff.
It reeks of the old donors setting this all up and figuring out a palatable way. Even the Riley locker image breaking at 11pm at night was weird. All to break Riley in slowly since he’s unpalatable to many.
Where are you getting this? The date sort of questions its validity, but it would be good to get a full story on this.
I was just given a tip that this will be the 3rd quarter song next year at OSU football games. It’s actually one of our better efforts.
https://youtu.be/sfeERevQhHA
Sadly, that would be one of our better efforts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abrn8aVQ76Q
Ed Ray’s song RE Riley:
So, how do we measure progress? Success? The only thing I would suggest is that we avoid arguments like “We would have won N games had we not done X”. That stuff is not knowable and we can’t run the experiment twice. All we can say is that things would (likely) have been different.
For me, immediate progress can be measured by the recruiting classes. Not just in the number of stars but factor in how many of those stars actually qualify to play and then how much they contribute immediately. ( I seem to recall a number of 4* guys never seeing the field.)
Next would be the ability to score points and be somewhere in the middle of the conference in points/game. I think this ups the entertainment value and makes the team more attractive.
Win OOC games (tOSU not withstanding). Win a game or two on the road.
Get to a bowl game and win it.
Get to a decent bowl game (8+ wins).
Win the North.
Get to the RB.
It would certainly be encouraging to see this recruiting class (which wasn’t very impressive under GA’s watch) turn into something more like we saw the last few years. We’re not going to be bringing in large numbers of 4* guys with our current record, but if the quality of players is more in line with what we saw in the classes of ’16 and ’17, that would be a successful start in my books.
Year 1- At the end of 2018, we need to be feeling the way we were at the end of 2016. Keep it respectable against tOSU (within two scores). Take care of business against SUU and Nevada. Win at least two conference games. There’s still plenty of talent in this program and the results should be there to indicate things are on the rise again.
Year 2- Get to a bowl game.
Year 3- Be in contention for the North title
To be sucessful, we should be contending for the Pac-12 North by 2020 and we need to win it at least once by Year 5. If we haven’t we’ve failed to exceed Riley’s ceiling and we need to go in a different direction.
So. if Smith goes 5-7; 7-5; 8-4; 7-5; 10-2 but doesn’t win the North you are saying he should be fired?
That is absurd.
Yeah that would be silly. Obviously winning the North should be the first goal. But a nice win/loss and a decent bowl would be major steps in the right direction.
Given that particular sequence, maybe not. That’s a major jump from Year 4 to 5. I think after Year 4, you’d have to seriously question the lack of progress.
I’ll be charitable and give him 6 years. There are 6 teams in the division, so we should be able to win it at least once in 6 years to consider ourselves successful.
You think a successful coach can go 6 years without winning their division? Very few guys get that kind of leeway. Mike Leach is the only non-service academy coach I can think of who has retained a job that long without ever winning some kind of championship.
After 5-6 years without winning anything, you have to ask yourself if you’ve accomplished what you set out to accomplish as a program. I get that going to bowl games is nice and all, but that was the bar during the Riley years. If you’re content with that, that’s all you’re ever going to get.
Pat Fitzgerald (a very very good coach IMO) off the top of my head.
I am sure I can find others. Having a win the division by an arbitrary date or you are fired policy seems silly to me. Evaluation should be a deeper process than that.
Mike Gundy won the Big 12 in years 6 and 7 but its been 7 years since he has won, should OSU start looking?
It took Bill Snyder 10 years.
Dana Holgorsen is entering his 8th year with no division titles.
There aren’t a lot of coaches that have been a P5 schools more than 6 years but Leach does have some company.
I’d prefer to evaluate Smith’s progress instead of having an arbitrary hard deadline. Lots of factors effect rather he wins a division and frankly if he goes 10-2 without a division title it probably still means a New Years Six Bowl (possibly even the grandaddy of them all) which would be a success in my eyes.
Fitzgerald came close in 2012. And he may parlay not having to play tOSU in 2015 or 2017 into an NFL job. And I think he’s still younger than 9 is. Didn’t he start at NW in his 20’s?
Gundy… ugh! I would get rid of that guy as soon as I could.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/big12/2017/11/01/oklahoma-states-mike-gundy-can-tell-off-boss-and-still-get-paid/814499001/
Funny… I don’t see why the school has to give notice for anything. This is college coaching. We don’t need no stinkin’ notice given… in writing… like everyone who is a professional knows is how you communicate in the business world.
WVU stepped in it with Holgorsen after not firing him two years ago. Now they’re stuck with him for another five years. Btw, he did win a conference title and go win a ridiculous BCS Bowl in a watered down Big East.
I agree on not being arbitrary. But this is a message board where we’re trying to convey that records and results are indicative of how that review might go. If it’s 7-5 and the 5 are all one point losses, that’s going to be different than losing to the same old teams by the same old margins year over over year.
A Rose Bowl will always be considered a success, won or lost.
Holgorsen won the Big East in his first year. Gundy has won 2 division titles and been to 2 BCS bowls (or whatever they are now).
Fitzgerald has a career win % of 57%. That’s pretty close to Riley’s.
I’m not in favor of a hard rule or an arbitrary date. The general idea is that if you’ve been okay, but not great for too long, you have to make some changes. At what point are you okay with “at least we made it to a bowl game,” and when does a championship seem too much to hope for? Around here, settling for just making a bowl game (the Riley clause) is what drew a lot of criticism during the MR era.
I’m not sure how we could win the division and still make a major bowl game unless the North champ was a CFP team.
I appreciate the debate on this subject. This is how we clarify everyone’s standards.
Staff turnover (or lack thereof) would be a part of the evaluation, I’m sure.
Coaches who suffer staff losses on a constant basis get more leeway than those who are more beholden to their friends than they are their friends’ market values.
Obviously Riley’s problem is that he’s the Pied Piper of mediocrity. I think I see a beautiful compromise here:
-Riley helps JS do what he’s an expert at: win 5 or 6 games
-OSU returns from the pit of despair to the plateau of mediocrity
-MR retires to TX after a year or two
-No longer weighed down by MR, OSU soars to new heights
We get this again! How neat a deal is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QP6IdvJtI4
I think “Hip-Hip Hooray” died out with the Bengal Lancers in the Crimean War.
“Hip-hip-elite! Hip-hip-elite!”
Unfortunately, we’re stuck with him for at least a year. You just can’t pull a Tennessee. First, it’s the wrong thing to do. Second, we can’t afford to cut off a limb to prove any point, real or not, here.
We would amplify the already poor media perception that we accept mediocrity in our sports by causing a ruckus about the nicest guy in college football. The national media would laugh about, “Who do they think they are to want more than their station in life?”… as they agreed with everything we say about his coaching mediocrity but slough it off with red herrings like “football knowledge” and “nicest person, like, ever.”
At once, we get told to sit at the back of the bus and are told we don’t care that we always have to sit at the back of the bus.
This is what amazes me.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2015/12/canzano_mike_riley_speaks_abou.html
I think Mike Riley is completely oblivious to what is and isn’t professional. Canzano is as well, since it just flies over his head.
Dude! You just quit! Over the phone!
You don’t work here any more. You don’t get to talk to anyone here about personnel issues… one of which is now you. And you’re certainly not going to do it over the phone, like you did to me. What’s wrong in your noggin that you think that’s remotely professional?
“I think Mike Riley is completely oblivious to what is and isn’t professional. Canzano is as well, since it just flies over his head.
Dude! You just quit! Over the phone!
You don’t work here any more. You don’t get to talk to anyone here about personnel issues… one of which is now you. And you’re certainly not going to do it over the phone, like you did to me. What’s wrong in your noggin that you think that’s remotely professional?”
Spot on. Nobody at OSU involved in Mike Riley’s multiple personnel transactions seems to be able to address their responsibilities that directly.
I’ve always thought Riley seemed “slow.” Not just with in-game adjustments, but at other major decision points.
I’d love to see somebody sit down with Ed Ray and Mike Riley and drill them on the way Riley repeatedly disrespects the school he allegedly loves, and why the school repeatedly not only tolerates it, but embraces and practically celebrates it. Like Mike, Ed Ray is still smarting from the “almost Rose bowl” of 2009, and he wants OSU in one before he retires. Seeing Riley as a plausible means to that goal is absurd.
BTW, RE Riley wanting to “man up” and tell the university president over the phone that he was quitting: He was probably hoping to get Ed’s voice mail…..
I was trying to find Riley’s quotes rationalizing his departure for Nebraska. I think it was something along the lines of his last chance at big time football.
I don’t really care why he ditched OSU. That he did it at all is enough to burn that bridge.
This is the closest I could find to what you’re saying. I’m not seeing anything for last chance.
http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/72890-hello-mike-riley/
Stumbled across a UA forum thread discussing Michalczik’s move here. Perception of his coaching ability seems to be generally positive.
http://beardownwildcats.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3671&start=450
Our Results Were Great
Except for the Final Scores
Classic Mike Riley
The world needs more Haikus.
Hi Angry.. You asked me a question at the top of this thread. I wasn’t sure you would see a response if I hit reply. Feel free to delete this.
I don’t think you need to publish a specific thread at this time. Your wishes regarding the raising of some funding have been clear, I think, to most regular participants on the site. I was attempting to a.) support your efforts and b.) get a feel as to how many people had actually contributed something. The request for some sort of response didn’t gain much traction. So only you know the answer.
If the new “donate” button doesn’t yield much or anything by the end of the year, maybe start 1-1-18 with an appeal and the rationale. Just my thoughts.. JB
PS: I hope you are faring well with the smoke and fire. We drive through that area frequently on the way up the Central Coast and always enjoy the remarkable beauty of the area.
I think this board has done a great job of keeping this Riley hire in proper perspective and not going completely off the deep end. Kudos.
Word from the deep end is that it is rather quite shallow ;)
Ankle deep.
Although, it is pretty gooey in several places.
I suppose we get to see the cult of Mike Riley more clearly this time around. We should probably be thankful he’s a benevolent figure, I guess. I have a friend who still bristles any time anyone says anything he perceives as mean about the Rajneesh.
That’s the level of servitude I see here.
These people so love the man that they forgive him major breaches in loyalty, respect, honor, common decency when dealing with an employer. I watched a focus group over the weekend where the participants talked about how Roy Moore had more integrity in his little finger than does all of Congress. They also justified his actions (which they believe to be untrue) with the “that’s the way it was in those days” fallacy.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Argumentum ad populum leads to an appeal to purity, which leads to the exile of reality.
I need odds that someone wanting to prove the purity test creates strawmen out of the post above then cries fouls of false equivalence.
Rajneeshophobe.
Heh heh… don’t eat at the salad bar.
Quick picking on the Bobwan! He’s dead and can’t defend Sheela anymore…or any less.
Fatwa!!
Skinnysniffle!!
You make some excellent points here. I think you are understating the vileness of Mike Riley, however, You should probably compare him to someone more evil like Hitler or maybe even Donald Trump (although he might not be quite that bad).
I no longer need those odds.
I honestly didn’t expect Godwin, but that’s cool. It fully proves my point.
And the mods can verify that I am not pretending to be joe, the perfect dumbass who walked right into the logic trap even though it was announced to be a logic trap.
Now, its some deep state conspiracy huh?
Fair enough.
Are you talking about the unsourced quote that places Dad’s weekend on an away date?
Yep
Asked about this. It was Nov 18th. My understanding is RIley’s wife was the one making these comments around town to locals.
What were “these comments?”
Mentioned above: “the Riley family was openly talking about JS being hired as the HC, and MR coming back as an assistant. They were openly talking about it in town.”
I can ask for more specifics.
Okay, I have no doubt that Riley’s family may have been discussing it. Doesn’t mean some conspiracy of boosters forced Riley on Smith or made some deal that led to Smith/Riley being hired.
Its entirely plausible that Riley’s wife knew Riley was gonna get fired (everyone did) and entirely possible that Riley and Smith are in contact with each other therefore you need no conspiracy of boosters to come to the conclusion that if Smith gets the job Riley might be on his staff.
Believe what you want. Nobody said the boosters forced Riley on Smith. But many of the wealthy boosters wanted Riley back. This could be a Barnes/Ray compromise since they’d lose half the fanbase hiring Riley as HC and lose major donors if they didn’t have Riley around in some capacity.
There’s a difference between it being a surety at that time and it being scuttlebutt by Riley’s family.
The latter is not surprising to assume as youngorst lays it out. Professionalism is not a Riley thing. His family confirming publicly that he was shirking his current duties in order to undercut OSU’s current team for the last two weeks is plausible.
The former would be an actual cancer, metastacizing in a fraudulent search.
Fun trivia question:
Since GA quit, which head coach gave up more points–Mike Riley or Cory Hall?
I don’t need an answer, but I’ll add the sad fact that Cory Hall had one week to prepare for his position as Head Coach and Riley has had 20? years.
There are also donors that wanted nothing to do with Riley.
I think its far more plausible that Smith simply wants Riley on his staff. You may not like that, frankly I’d prefer Smith made Riley no more than a consultant, but its still the most likely scenario here.
If Dee and family were openly lobbying for 9 while knowing he would slap OSU in the face, that would not be the simplest answer.
But what you state is where I am until I see or hear something solid. Knowing the cult, they will deny it then qualify that denial with, “Even if it was true, who cares?”
Riley is like the Terminator. You can’t kill him.
https://youtu.be/44gD94kl5CU
The herpes analogy was I think better….the Terminator WAS killed…he came back to make more money. Waitaminnit…..how much is Riley being paid this time?!? Besides too much.
Noted. Will stick to my herpes analogy.
Can’t kill him except for on the scoreboard!
Why is Jack blocked?
Never mind, he’s back…
Mmmm… fiber!
Angry: I noticed when I logged on this morning that Jack’s posts in the last 12 hours were deleted from my view, though I never myself checked the “ignore” x. ( In fact, Jack has had one of his better weeks of late.) So my question: If someone else hits the ignore button that means we all lose visibility of the posts? Relatedly, can you “un-ignore” someone to retrieve the messages?
Weird. I can see his posts just fine. Anyone else having this issue?
I see him
Sure, I mentioned above ^^^^^
Same thing happened to me
Multiple Jax’s?? Would explain the bipolar posts…
Crazy that OSU doesn’t even have Wes Edens on this list. Dude is a billionaire and part owner of the Bucks so he has to be into sports (at least basketball). Wonder if OSU has even reached out to him?
http://www.osualum.com/s/359/16/interior.aspx?pgid=3002
Imagine what “Edens Stadium” could look like (soccer friendly for a football-free future)?
And no more jokes about potato salad and burritos..
Wes Edens is not a Phil Knight type who needs to plaster his name on every available facade when he donates money. I suspect he has donated to OSU – although not sure how much he owes his riches to his OSU degree.
Sounds like Cav is potentially headed to Univ of Hawaii.
Christian Summers? @fbcoach_summers
38m38 minutes ago
Hawaii: Source tells FootballScoop former Nebraska and Oregon State offensive line coach Mike Cavanaugh is a candidate for the offensive line job at Hawaii.
I could think of worse places to be hired at after getting fired…..
As long as Cav is not hired back here, I don’t care where he goes. Same with Banker and Lamedork.
Called into JB show with my last-ditch attempt at breaking through the Riley Distortion Field. Can only lead the horses to water…
Link and minute mark once it’s archived?
Someone else called in at the very end to express displeasure with clinging to Riley, too. That was good to hear. Despite one caller’s claim he pulled out of his butt, not 99.9% of beaver fans are happy with the Riley hire.
What’s the call screening process like for the JBS? Do you have to tell them your call is anti-Riley, and if so, do they give you any grief?
https://beaver.hypothetical.net/audio/joe-beaver-show_2346_20171211.mp3
12:05
No grief from the call screening. They’re actually pretty cool about it. They do recognize my number by now. I just say the general topic I want to chime in on, and that’s the screening.
Nice, I’ll check it out. I ramomly clicked to 36 minutes and heard Dave in Tumwater…lol.
Edit: Great call, Scotty.
Great call scotty! You, DIT, and the last caller of the day made it clear to any objective listerner that there is a significant portion of fans who don’t like the MR situation.
Parker mentioned having a “moratorium” on Riley calls; his remark was clearly not seriously laying down a line in the sand but does indicate that the message is getting through. He discusses it with “Greg” at the end of the program. Good line from Greg: “It isn’t a small town which limits the Beavs, it is a small town attitude”
The link for the program is:
https://beaver.hypothetical.net/audio/joe-beaver-show_2346_20171211.mp3
Time stamps as follows:
Scotty= 12:10, DIT= 36:18, Greg= 1:42:00
I wasn’t able to get through today. But, in the past, found it pretty easy to get on air, never encountered any serious “screening”. Angry, if you decide to phone in I doubt they’ll stop you; unless they see that you are calling from Santa Barbara and realize it is you! LOL
Haha. I’ve never called a radio show. Do you make notes about what you want to say ahead of time or just wing it?
It’s tough listening to Parker and Co shield themselves from any and all dissenting opinion. The majority of OSU fan’s view of the program reminds me of the American auto industry in the 70’s.
Pac12 revenue sharing is the only thing that will help our program survive the 70’s and 80’s, if you will.
Make sure to copy/paste that on the tweet I wrote about Scotty’s call. I directed it at the JBS.
It falls on deaf ears. This is all “they” hear…….
You aren’t ok with Riley being on staff????
1. You hate Mike Riley.
2. You want Jonathan Smith to fail.
It ALWAYS comes back to one of those two things.
Suit yourself on notes vs winging it, I’ve done it both ways. Let us know if you do call in, it would be interesting to hear Parker’s response.
Do listen to Greg at the 1:42:00 mark, it is about a 6 minute call which made very good points. Parker didn’t interrupt and, partly because time ran out, didn’t have much of a response.
Greg’s call was great. He might be an AB, too…
If you haven’t already seen it:
https://twitter.com/CoachHeyward/status/940099410720985089
Darn
Bummer.
The tweet doesn’t really mean a whole lot.
That said, I seriously doubt Heyward is coming so no surprise. The idea that Smith hasn’t found a DC (assuming he hasn’t and isn’t just waiting to announce it for some reason) is pretty concerning at this point.
A few position coaches not being hired is one thing but the DC should be identified and hired (and for all we know he is I guess).
So… we gonna hire any more assistant coaches or what?
Simple Jack is still trying to get the band back together
Hopefully not Banker. Please no.
Chip Kelly would probably start drooling and wondering checking the schedule for UCLA/OSU match up….
Hopefully Cav gets Banker a Hawaii gig and keeps him far away.
Apparently the strategy is to avoid hiring any more staff until after the early signing date so that there is no pressure to get any good to great recruits right away, thus minimizing dissappointment and limiting early expectations. This sounds like a sound approach based on the track record of an athletic department that keeps 3 year old dated banners atop its major recruiting building.
Why show any initiative, urgency or creativity if it only raises expectations for the fan-base. May as well go with the safe hire, slow paced offense, finding the hidden talent, building up guys over a 4 year career to finally start as seniors, undersized recruits who are feel good stories, and hip hip hoorays.
Get ready for the excuses on offense that we thought were a thing of the past. Recruiting is already being touted as Riley’s hidden gems that develop over time. Don’t expect any freshmen to come in and start, they will all be under-sized and not ready yet.
I’m not convinced that JS will actually be accepted as the face of the program by fans or media as long as Riley is in house. How often will Eggers ask for the inside scoop as part of a feature about Riley’s grandpa role instead of giving Smith his due respect as the actual HC? Time will tell. But I won’t hold my breath. I’ve been told by many who know and love Riley that he no longer wants to be the HC and this is a perfect fit. I’m not sold on it even if that were the case.
Riley is a lightning rod that splits the fanbase and dampens momentum moving forward. His newfound recruiting chops are mythical and yet to be seen. If he alone is responsible for signing 5 4* kids who actually play, then I will reconsider.
I give GA credit for at least giving us a reprieve from the built in excuses and lines that foster a culture of low expectations. 1-11 was rough, but deja vu will be rougher on all of you ABs.
Be prepared for more low hanging fruit. It’s Simple Jack’s style
Someone he coached with 20 years ago has a son who wants to play college ball. The kid even started a few games in HS when the regular starter had mono. He’s a really neat story.
And so it begins, no surprise Nemec’s on the Riley bandwagon.
After announcing “2018 Clackamas WR Cole Turner will have an in-school visit with Oregon State assistant head coach Mike Riley on Wednesday”. He gushes:
“What is Mike Riley for? This conversation. The “we dropped the ball and we’re gonna fix it, because I have a track record with in-state talent” convo. And Riley will be honest when he says it.
Ummm, sure you want to tout that “in-state talent” thing?
Did Riley land any in-state talent that didn’t play in a championship in Reser?
I can’t believe anyone is going to tout the state of relationships between Riley and in-state programs. His poor work within this state fed Petersen at Boise for almost a full decade. This is why UW can now recruit the Willamette Valley with impunity.
With OSU striking out on Heyward (Riley didn’t help), it is time for the full court press to get Jimmy Lake for DC. Have very little confidence that OSU cam get it done though. Instead of spending over 750K and getting the real good DC this program desperately needs, OSU will umdoubtedly to some more Riley pandering and make Riley’s ex LB coach at least Co-DC and maybe DC by himself which will make this staff basically half Riley’s at that point. Bray underperformed as LB coach at Nebraska. Beavergopher said he watched that unit in particular on more than one occassion and they looked and played terrible. Sounds like a great DC. Hip Hip Hooray you poor bastards.
Joe Pa of the West is here to stay. Bellotti, peer of Riley, seemed to retire 15 years ago. Knew it was time for program to do new things and evolve even if he had lots of confidence in his own abilities. Understood it was selfish to not routinely have passing the torch be a part of the culture. A program should never be perceived as stale or ever living in the past.
Not Riley. He epitomizes clinging, living in the past, not allowing a program to evolve and being personally selfish to the detriment of what should be a living, breathing and always moving forward with new voices and leaders, Oregon State University.
However, we get none of that as Riley’s painting rails in the summer at Parker and sneaking into a basketball game in the early 70s are infinitely more important than whatever concerns and needs the 21st century has to millions of citizens of this state who should expect and demand that the university be so much more.
Absilutely horrible leadership and twisted priorities from the OSU administration who remains clueless. So disgusted with this administration. Riley now remains a huge distraction for tgw program that does not go away until he eventually removes himself. How many years will that be??
JS will not be accepted as the face of the football program until Riley is out.
Look who’s calling the shots now.
We’re trying.
Amidst all the rhetoric – that statement (ohiobeav) says it all. “I hear Mike Riley has returned to Oregon State,” and that will be the end of it.
Piggybacking on Angry’s info regarding what happened with GA. Received info from a VERY reliable source that confirms what Angry reported over the weekend regarding a “relationship” with a coed. Also that GA is currently in a rehab facility in Wyoming and his wife did leave him.
All of this sounds crazy but this is one of the few plausible scenarios that would explain why GA sent crazy txts to Canzano, quit in the middle of season, and left all the cash on the table.
At the end of last season I was convinced we were on the right track. 10 months later GA completely implodes and we are stuck with the gum chewer again. Talk about luck of the Beavers. Unbelievable
Some gals can’t resist the skeletor look.
And we thought his red nose was from drinking.
He went his go to line…
Her: “You just want me because I’m a hot young cheerleader”
GA: ” It goes much deeper than that, I’m attracted to your arms, your legs and your mind…”
Don’t really care about GA other than I hope he gets the help he obviously needed when he quit.
The rest is wasted time while watching our school hate itself.
Anybody check out Petras’ senior film linked above? 4,157 YDS, 50 TDs, 2 INTs, 64% completion.
A pocket passer but looks light on his feet. Mobility much better than Mannion, Canfield, or Anderson (at least to my memory). Looks bigger than Matt Moore. He seems to have happy feet and sometimes throws a Mannnion-ish deep ball in that the receiver has to slow down and wait for it but he has a quicker release than Mannion. Damn he looks good.
Probably OSU’s best QB prospect since Matt Moore.
Smith was OC when Browning became the first FR to start for UW in the program’s history. Here’s hoping he willing to start Petras if the kid earns it in camp. I think Petras plans to graduate and arrive for spring term/ball. With the OC’s offensive philosophy (keep it simple for the QBs reads) Petras can hopefully pick up the offense early.
Petras provides hope for the future. I think a QB like that he can help recruit OL who would want to play with him.
If ends up at Iowa I’m going to be ill.
Why?
If he goes to Iowa, he might end up playing in a Rose Bowl and then the NFL one day.
If he goes here, he gets to learn the standing fetal position, maybe play in a Sun or Vegas Bowl here and there… and, if he’s lucky, hold a clipboard on Sundays.
But we’ll call the latter, “playing in the NFL” since we have a different narrative.
Holding a clipboard on Sundays is the most underrated job in the NFL.
Agreed. I’d rather get paid a million+ to stand and watch a game and not have to go out and run away from big scary men trying to take my lunch money.
The Riley Effect….
There are more OSU QB’s in the NFL than Iowa QB’s.
Yeah… I overstated that one.
They’re a bunch of clipboard holders too.
We’ll need more speed in our WR corp to take advantage of his downfield throwing ability. He regularly throws it over 50 yards in his film, and makes it look easy.
Would be curious to see what his longest pass is
Throwing it over 50 yards is easy.
We’ve just had QBs who have made 30 yards look hard.
Eggers has a pretty detailed piece about Dukart and Petras today. In it, Petras says he plans to stay at OSU, despite his recent visit to Iowa Sunday/Monday.
Funny thing is, there is an Iowa writer and a Ruvals writer who were caught off guard by this, because they spoke with Petras yesterday and he said he would have a decision to make with his family.
They seem genuinely surprised that Petras has already made the decision to stay at OSU.
Eggers must have the inside track on keeping tabs with OSU recruiting now. ;)
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/381035-268529-oregon-state-banks-on-prep-qbs-dukart-petras
With ace closer MR on the recruiting trail, how can we fail?
Anybody else find it odd that this guy called Petras late last night and he was indecisive, but Eggers already has his lengthy piece ready to go with a quote from Petras that he’s staying?
“I talked with him late last night and he said he had a decision to make. Didn’t say he was sticking with Oregon State as he did in this article.”
https://twitter.com/RobHoweHN/status/940605478106746880
I’m just not willing to care or put in the time to care about a program that doesn’t do so for itself.
If he comes here, cool. Maybe I’ll see him sitting in the stands at Gill.
A Rivals guy followed up with Petras this morning. Either Petras is confused, or Eggers hit “publish” too early and Petras didn’t see it yet.
https://twitter.com/BlairRIVALS/status/940634476123754496
“Talked to QB Spencer Petras again this morning to ask about this quote. He said, “I’m still praying and deciding.” No final decision has been made yet on Oregon State vs. Iowa.”
I hope he prays to the GBITS.
So can someone list the DC’s that might still be in play outside of Hayward? And could there be a D.C. in play that cannot be announced until after a bowl game? In other words, can someone look all this crap up for me… I just don’t have the time lol.
They’re going to sign Hazelton from Wyoming.
Eggers mentioned that these guys have all been “linked” to OSU: Inoke Breckterfield (Wisconsin), Tim Tibesar (OLB coach @ Wisconsin), Scottie Hazelton (DC @ Wyoming)
No idea how firm that is, but I’m guessing Hazelton is Plan A now.
Tibesar or Hazelton would both be good. Personally I think They would be better than Heyward, other than Heyward is a beav.
So we won’t know if Hazelton is the guy until after Dec. 22 (Famous Idaho Potato Bowl)?
If we steal someone from Wyoming, I hope they bring Wyoming’s graphic design team with them. They have some pretty nice stuff for a non P-5 team
So they don’t use clipart at Wyoming?
We should have stole their HC.
Hayward said he’s not coming to Oregon State because the fans can’t spell his name. Wish that would have worked with Gary Anderson.
Hyphenates (current or former) do not get to file complaints.
He must have a feather up his ass.
*Heyward
*Perceptive
*sarcasm
Is that how June greets Mr. Cleever?
Man watching Petras senior year film…kid is good. Real good.
Quick release and a strong arm. Can throw to all parts of the field. The comparison to mannion is a valid one. When sets his feet, ball comes out like a rocket.
Definitely needs a year to redshirt. Clean up mechanics just a little. Footwork and his throwing on the run can be better.
Now js needs to sign Carta Samuels to let Petras redshirt.
Petras is the QB of the future.
For Iowa?
That would be a pretty ideal situation, but I’m skeptical on if we hold on to Petras with all this Iowa talk.
Fuck Heyward
huh?
June Cleever would never say that!
NFL RB out of Pitt in the late 80s.
I’m guessing Beavocalypse just doesn’t like men who use loofahs.
OSU will have one win next season, against Southern Utah. Offense will improve substantially, but OSU’s defense will be the worst in the nation in PPG if Riley has ANY influence over who the D coordinator is.
Kind of hoping the Ducks boatrace the Beavs again next year, with the senile 80 year old donors looking on in shock. Maybe then they’ll finally learn their fucking lesson and lose the “small town” mentality. I’m getting sick of people who make decisions based on feelings and emotion rather than rationale.
” senile 80 year old donors” by next year will be fewer.
Then we have to deal with contaminated 50 year old offspring who are also emotionally attached to Riley