Hey guys. General thread for the next few days.
I’m going to be traveling to MN and WI starting tomorrow morning and will be back Sunday. Feel free to put up a baseball thread for the weekend, our trusty pinch hitters.
Go Beavs!
Hey guys. General thread for the next few days.
I’m going to be traveling to MN and WI starting tomorrow morning and will be back Sunday. Feel free to put up a baseball thread for the weekend, our trusty pinch hitters.
Go Beavs!
First. Ha!
Beavs up 12-0 behind homers from rustchman, Larnach, and Claunch and still in the 2nd inning
What a shitty way for San Diego to end the season.
Much like a Beaver football season.
They got Beaved…. Just like we will when football season starts. Enjoy it now!
OSU football will start 2018 like San Diego baseball ended 2018…but…the Beavs have no where to go but up from there. (Maybe)
Pearce comes in and gives up a homer on the first pitch. Arrrrrgh!
Game over after 6 and a half, 19-6. None of the Beaver arms were very good. But both Adley and Larnach have over 60 RBI. Adley with 5 tonight
Chamberlain looked decent. He got pulled because he got hit with a ball up the middle. Think it is nice to have a guy with a lower delivery to mix in there.
At least the RPI didn’t take a ding playing USD
I had to look it up, but you’re right Rev.
Seems there was a lot of talk (which I believed) that the RPI would drop even with a sweep over USD.
BTW, USD , currently RPI #118, improved their RPI by 8 spots by dropping 2 to the Beavs!
This Nolan guys RPI calculation is some complex stuff!!
http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2018/rpi-live
So the beavs RPI didn’t drop by sweeping SD but dropped from 3 to 6 after winning g the series against #2 Stanford….makes no sense at all.
Any metric where you can gain rankings by losing games is just dumb.
You could go lose 15 games in a row to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th ranked team and your RPI would likely be great. That doesn’t mean you are a good team at all.
And that’s how the SEC gets so many teams in regionals every year. Check out Texas A&m’s record and RPI. Perfect example of what you’re saying.
GA wishes they used this system for football. Almost made it to #1 last season.
It’s too bad football doesn’t use RPI or we’d end up ranked a lot higher than we normally do. We get our butt’s kicked by highly ranked teams all the time! lol
The 3 to 6 drop had to do with other team’s outcomes but you’re right, it makes no sense. It is very much a southeast biased metric with the way they are able to schedule. Fortunately, we appear to be on the verge of locking up a top 8 RPI and a national seed.
Sorry, meant as a reply to Swammi above.
Only way the Beavs repeat as Pac-12 champs is win out and hope the leg humpers can pin a pair of losses on Stanford in Seattle weekend after next. I foresee Stanford sweeping WSU at Sunken Diamond this weekend. Beavs drop any of the three against USC, any hope of repeating is a pipe dream.
The series loss at Utah and that last game in Tucson…………………..
I don’t feel like we really deserve it after losing the Utah series, but I’d love to see us win the Pac again.
If we completely lose out there’s a decent chance Stanford could drop 2 of their remaining games and we would win it.
What are the odds that all happens though, 10-20%?
Meggs owes the Beavs a huge favor, he’s an honorable man and likely to put his team in position to whip Tree 2 of 3. Surely he’ll do everything he can to help out the Beavs by beating tree…….right?
Putting the snark aside, I won’t be surprised to see the humpers beat tree at least once. Maybe Casey will have to rethink that offer by WSU to finish the tie game?
Right now the condition of Chamberlain’s right knee may be a more significant concern, that and the task ahead for Nate.
EDIT/ADD: “I don’t feel like we really deserve it after losing the Utah series, but I’d love to see us win the Pac again
Well said, 271, I agree.
Freaking Utah, seriously. Anything come out of that state that isn’t a disaster for Beaver sports?
Sports illustrated takes on the Luke story. Very comprehensive read.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/05/16/luke-heimlich-oregon-state
He’s so close to getting it right. If he just gets the legal terminology correct, it’s a good read.
Once again, a writer quotes and discusses a young woman who, because of her personal experience, cannot cheer for Luke. No mention of Lydia Parker’s statement of support despite her own experience.
Once again, a writer needs to improve his knowledge of legal terminology and the Juvenile Justice System in Washington. Perhaps by studying the articles of Martin Meyer which appear here.
Once again, “experts” are cited, but not the counselors who dealt with Luke for months and believe if he violated his niece that he would have, at some point, said so. He has not.
Once again, the Washington judge in the case is not quoted……the one who said, “I want to tell you how proud I am of you for completing the program so fast, and it’s very impressive that you’re ready to go to college. … it sounds like things are going well for you, and we expect great things. … congratulations. You deserve a big round of applause.”
https://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/385703-274945-penalties-paid-heimlich-ready-to-return-for-beavers-baseball
and once again, Ray and Barnes fail to defend’s Luke place on the team, and they seem to have muted Casey.
Bob Lundeberg of the GT gets your point, he tweets:
Ed Ray remains in hiding. If I were a member of Oregon State’s baseball program, I would feel abandoned.
Careful Bob, job could be at risk!
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BTW, he also tweets: I’ll be processing the @bySLPrice piece for a while. I’m just a humble beat reporter, so there’s a lot for my brain to unpack.
Someone, please tweet that man links to Martin Meyers articles.
https://twitter.com/The_Real_Bob
The links:
http://angrybeavs.com/baseball/13815
http://angrybeavs.com/baseball/13696
Why are they in hiding?
What more are they going to say. I’m some what amused that you all think there’s something for them to say and want to hear these blurb-o-ramas that you might come up with.
Then again, in a story that nobody seems to get right, you all fall in the category of just not getting it.
… on this point.
It takes some time to get through, but at least this piece gives pretty much everybody involved a voice(including, but not limited to; Luke, the ex-sister-in-law, Casey, Scott Barnes(in limited capacity), Brenda Tracy, disgruntled OSU fan, legal experts, major league scouts, Mark Katches)
Noticeably absent, Ed Ray, or pretty much anybody from OSU other than a quick off topic quote or 2 from Barnes.
Also, Luke manages to use the verbiage of “guilty” when he is quoted as saying “I pled guilty to it..”, which sortof opens the door for the media to have justification for using similar terminology, doesn’t it? At least for those specific words. The “felony” part is still used regularly within the story.
It’s actually a pretty good read and will likely stir up more debate.
Also, the section where they describe how Danny stumbled upon the news still sounds like bullshit. I will never believe that the girls mom didn’t tip them off well in advance of the story ever being written, and Danny just lucked out that he could bring it up because of an error the CPD made.
Katches, despite his best attempts, still comes off as weighing responsible reporting vs clickbait and choosing clickbait.
Didn’t realize luke is in the cover for SI this week too.
https://twitter.com/TheMikeDonovan/status/996793020673478656?s=19
Ouch…
the one part of the story that many might easily glide over is the fact that this whole episode came up within the context of a couple that was splitting up and that the dad, not the mom, has custody of the young girl. I would yield to others with expertise, but isn’t it rare for the fathers to maintain custody in a split, especially if the child is female?
The fact that the father won’t speak about things can be read in any number of ways, but most will naively read it with a negative take.
That is my take as well.
Long read that basically leaves you with no more information then what has already been puked out there. It could have been better if they had included our lawyer friends comments made here. Luke, if he did it and paid his dues as stated, will continue to be brought up on charges from the public opinion. Luke if he didn’t do it, will continue to be brought up on charges from the public opinion. There is no win here for Luke.
Perfect opportunity to link the 2 AB posts from Martun Meyer in a reply to Price’s tweet.
https://twitter.com/bySLPrice/status/996772372672925696?s=19
Oob pasted the links in one of the more recent AB threads a few days back, if anybody feels inclined.
Good way to get more eyes on Meyer’s comments.
Unable to repost links from my phone but they are easily looked up by searching the “media “ category on the right side of this page.
long read, but very well written. Plays both sides of the story and it shows how delicate the situation is in society. On one hand, he can get a job doing anything in the state of Washington he wants, but in most all other states, he needs to register as a sex offender if he’s a resident of that state? Maybe this plays a factor in which team drafts him? Seattle Mariners could draft him and he wouldn’t have to register. My issue isn’t the fact that he’s an athlete, but that he’s a human being who is a student at a university who happens to play baseball. My feeling is this story should never have been broken due to the error of State Police failing to file the report of his registering as a sex offender. The Oregonian should have dismissed the story, due to the fact the citation was dismissed.
Sex offenses that occur with family members, whether the incident happened or not, does not mean if the offender does repeat the offense, that it will happen with a complete strangers child. More often sex offenses occur due to opportunity, by someone you personally know, and/or by someone who has been given trust to be alone with a child. As long as opportunity and left alone with the offender, there should be no reason for a repeat offense. In my mind, rape and sexual contact are two different offenses, but the latter leads towards the former. Look at the case of the “Dr.” that molested all those girls/women in gymnastics. If look went on to get a degree to become a Dr on scholarship, or a degree that would allow him to garner trust and left alone with someone, then yes, I would agree that should not be allowed. However, he’s not getting a degree for that, but a communications degree and he wants to play professional baseball.
I think the problem is court of public opinion. I don’t agree with it but a high percentage of folks (non beaver fans, non legal gurus) will see headlines and make an opinion. We can all research and preach about all the different stories until we turn blue but there needs to be a quick headline or something mentioned on a national telecast that can grab the attention of the casual fan/news reader to start to change the course of opinions.
Why would he have to register as a sex offender if the records have been sealed and his record expunged? He did what the court asked of him and it’s as if it never happened, right?
2005 #8 National seed team batted .316 with a .440 slg %
2006 CWS champion team batted .302 with a .432 slg %
2007 CWS champion team batted .287 with a .415 slg %
2011 Regional host team batted .267 with a .387 slg %
2013 #3 National seed team batted .289 with a .390 slg%
2014 #1 National seed team batted .274 with a .373 slg%
2017 #1 National seed team batted .291 with a .406 slg%
This 2018 team is batting .327 with a .492 slg% – best OSU lineup ever?
Yes, I would say this is the best OSU lineup Casey has put together in the last 13+ years. It’s what’s been keeping us alive and in the hunt for the Pac-12 title. I don’t recall a dominant performance where they had to end a game due to the 10+ runs in the 7th inning two games in a row. Shows how dominant the team is, and how deep the Pac-12 is with good to really good teams. Hosting the Regional and Super Regional is what should be priority right now for OSU. The team will get to Omaha, but it will be interesting to see who gets selected in their Regional.
They dominated the best pitching staff in the nation in Stanford. That says a lot. I don’t expect them to stay this hot. Not so many one run ball games or comebacks this year compared to last – not sure if that is a good thing or not. Margin of victory is better this year. Do or die by the bat!!!
This team is playing more like an sec team. Lots of hitting and serviceable pitching.
Was curious about that. This lineup has been en fuego!!!!
Adleys going to get invited to cape cod for sure this year. Malone might get one too.
Wow another Luke hit piece by SI. Feel like this isn’t going away and it doesn’t make us look great.
Also the projected depth chart for football is not very inspiring. 4 wins?
It’s not a hit piece at all. Without Luke’s cooperation, there’s no article.
Luke is trying to rehab his image to get drafted or at least signed. The article points out that scouts have been given direction to ignore Luke and to not comment on him. One GM has essentially blacklisted him.
Interesting tidbits in the article, Casey or really anyone didn’t know about Luke’s status until the o article came out, Oregon still treats him as a sex offender, timing is everything, lukes fastball up to mid 90s.
With the amount of image rehab he’s doing, one might expect him to do one with Eggers and quite possibly the Oregonian. Luke was quoted in an Oregonian article after his last start.
And it’s obvious that he’s doing these interviews before the postseason so that the media will be beating a deadhorse once regionals start. I guess that’s the two birds with one stone pr approach.
Well said. This is a complicated story and a lot of grey area exists. I don’t think the Sports Illustrated version is either pro- or con- Luke Heimlich but I’m glad that Luke is choosing to participate in telling his own story.
There’s an obvious motive to get this over with before both the CWS and the MLB draft begin and I’d rather it get national coverage now than next month.
Maybe some scouts were told to ignore him but based on last Friday’s observation there’s plenty of interest in Luke from the scouts.
Sure but the scouts won’t be the ones who have to answer for picking Luke. Luke is going to need some big time public figures to back him up to get drafted or signed. Some current and former MLB players would work.
I’d take four wins this year! Especially if one of them is a Civil War victory.
SI story: fairer than most, and as Jack said above, the potential for hitting the mark was there, but another miss nonetheless. Same faulty terminology and the same Moran/Canzano/Tracy subtext. I hope Meyer’s stuff gets linked to their site.
Hard to fault the reporters entirely when Luke himself says “I plead guilty”.
Not really.
It’s the difference between pleading guilty to a juvenile offense and pleading guilty to an adult crime. The former is accepting responsibility and agreeing to adjudication of having committed an offense. IIRC, his admission was for inappropriate touching (of a minor?). The latter is just plain old pleading guilty. It’s a weird technicality that I don’t understand but accept because someone who knows about such things has tried to explain it to me. There’s a certain nuance that disallows their language but does allow his.
Nowhere in any court proceeding or documentation about Luke’s case is there mention of any felony or any kind of conviction. Those are wholly imagined and stated by libelous reporters who were in a hurry to maximize clicks.
I also remain disturbed that the mother so readily offers her daughter up for public consumption. I think the father has it right. I would like to know where all the voices are for victims’ security and privacy rights in these cases. We’re talking about a pre-teen girl who was a victim at six. The O, as we now know, is no top flight investigative group. Yet they found and outed the girl without trying. And they colored their malfeasance with her mother’s willing sacrifice of her daughter’s privacy and well-being.
I can understand wanting to be mean to Luke in her case. What I can’t understand is publicly weaponizing her child to do it. Her story has also changed over time. She’s no longer a credible witness. In doing this over the last year, she has also undermined her daughter’s testimony.
Where are the victim advocates for victim privacy and speaking against what the mother has done to her daughter? Where are they for speaking to the O about how they should have left the victim as some nameless victim, not outing her as the niece of the offender and the daughter of the offender’s now divorced older brother… with varying stories from the ex-wife? That last pissed me off more than anything beyond the initial shock of reading the original half-story with a triple putz.
I can’t imagine having a child go through this once. I would be screaming at legislators and law enforcement for their malfeasance in allowing my child to go through it again without her being an adult and giving her consent. Not writing her name doesn’t excuse the O. They didn’t even bother leaving a trail of breadcrumbs. They stood next to her and pointed while saying they weren’t going to name the victim.
I for one won’t be able to sleep tonight until I hear Canzano and Tracy’s opinion on this
Canzano isn’t going to comment as long as he no longer has anything to gain financially.
Now the story is no longer an Oregonlive story, so he will stay quiet until he finds a way to make it about him again.
Lol, exactly.
Seriously though, who cares what Brenda Tracy thinks. In her mind, everyone is guilty. Check her out on Twitter. It’s constant mud-slinging.
Asked last month the core question that any employer, teammate or neighbor going forward will ask—Why plead guilty to so heinous a crime, and write, “I admit that I had sexual contact with my niece,” if it were not true?—Heimlich replied, evenly:
“I had several conversations with my mom, with my dad, and ultimately it came down to: We thought that this was going to be the best route for me and my family, knowing that it was basically a he-said/she-said. In the court of law we didn’t really think I stood a fair chance; that was the advice we had been given. So we thought that pleading guilty was going to give me the best chance at a normal life, and our family a best chance at reconnecting and being able to just kind of move past this whole event.”
Throughout the judicial process, two words stuck in Heimlich’s mind: five years. After that, he was sure, “This’ll be like it never happened,” he says. “It’ll all be done…?. So for those five years, or mainly the first two or three where I was in Washington and had to do more stuff on probation, it was, I just need to follow every rule to a T, and then when the five years come I’ll be fine. I was not doing anything to go out of my way to talk to somebody or confront anybody. It was, just, What do I need to do? Tell me, I’ll do it, and we’ll be good.
Among experts on juvenile sex offenders, the disconnect between the two Lukes is not surprising. “Either the kid didn’t do it or he did it and he’s in some form of denial: Neither one is unusual,” said Carolyn Frazier, a juvenile defense lawyer and assistant professor at Northwestern’s School of Law. “To be innocent and plead guilty to something is not unusual.” She then quoted a line from a national columnist’s February condemnation of Heimlich and OSU: If you were absolutely innocent—as Heimlich contended—how many of you would plead guilty to felony child molestation simply to avoid trial? Thought so.
Frazier sighed. “That’s another instance where, if you’re a practitioner in this world, you’re ripping your hair out,” she said. “I’m, like, Dude, this happens all the time.”
Dear SIArticle, you had me at the swimsuit issue.
The Luke situation is basically a PR issue at this time as the legal system has played out it’s process. So if he is truly innocent, as I am inclined to believe, why does he not take take a public polygraph sponsored by a sports news site to put this to rest. Have SI or ESPN do it. There will always be a tinge of doubt and this would seem to be the only way to convince the rational folks that he is being truthful. Would this somehow violate his terms under Washington law?
It certainly is a PR matter, as you said.
I’m no Martin Meyer and don’t know if that would violate any terms under Washington law, I do know that HATERS GONNA HATE!
There are already comments about how “you can train a person to beat a polygraph…that’s why polygraphs aren’t allowed as evidence in court”.
Speaking of haters, here is Kendall Rogers recent tweet:
“This is reall, really strong work by @bySLPrice on Heimlich. Gave every side of the story. As I said a long time go, the relationship between LH and the brother strikes me as odd and telling. WTS, who knows what truly happened.” Not as strident as previously?
EDIT: Oooops, take my thoughts with a grain of salt, I see you did specify rational folks.
Hasn’t Kendall Rogers ever seen a custody battle play out? Does he have inside info on the terms of the agreement between Luke’s brother and the court? I can easily envision a scenario where the court says, “your brother admitted to sexually touching your daughter, if you allow any contact with your brother and daughter your custody will be revoked”.
You are spot on.
I don’t believe Luke. If he was truly innocent, then why wait a year to finally protest if that’s the story he presented all along in private? What he said to his teammates when the story broke was different than his public statement. He could have said he took the plea so his family could move on which is his story now, not that he took responsibility for his actions which was his story last year.
I think he’s starting to believe his own lies. I’m in agreement with Kendall, the fact that his brother has not forgiven him is very telling. Especially in a very religious family where it looks like the rest of the family has forgiven Luke.
I get the legal defense, he’s reformed in the eyes of the law but as the si article notes, there are two Luke’s. I can only see the one who said he took responsibility which was consistent with his written court confession.
Why wait a year-
Because he now has a better attorney?
Because he has consulted a PR professional?
I keep coming back to the counselor Eggers quoted, the professional who met with Luke bi-weekly for nine months in individual sessions. The counselor said (among other things), ” Luke “was court-ordered to write an apology letter (to his niece), which he was able to write from the position of someone guilty of the offense. His letter was written ‘as if’ he sexually abused his niece.”” and . . .”He was given several opportunities throughout his treatment to admit to the crime, but he did not do so. He did, on multiple occasions, show tremendous guilt and responsibility for the impact this has had on his family. He expressed how, even though he knows he shouldn’t feel responsible, he cannot help but feel responsible for how his parents and siblings are being affected.”
For me, the second quote above explains Luke saying he “takes responsibility…”.
https://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/385703-274945-penalties-paid-heimlich-ready-to-return-for-beavers-baseball
Bill, et al,
I think we should remember that at the time Luke was 15/16. As we all know, as we age we mature. I have no doubt that Luke now feels different than he did when he was younger. From the time Dummy Moron broke the story for the O, Luke has been portrayed as an adult through the whole time by the media and BT.
The new way to take folks to task now seems to be the media, no matter the outcome in court.
I was glad to see Luke finally sticking up for himself recently.
He was still bound legally to the terms of his adjudication. He said himself that he needed to dot every i and cross every t. So he could say anything he wanted to the justice professionals who were handling his case and bound by confidentiality. But he wanted to be free of it all before he said anything about anything, especially commenting definitively on his niece’s accusations.
The way he puts it, he’s saying he was rehabbed as soon as the adjudication occurred, because he never did anything wrong. So the terms he agreed upon were simply fuels for him to burn toward success.
It’s hard to argue with the results.
The issue now is that no matter where you think he falls in terms of complicity, there are gaping holes on either side that leave a lot of doubt. One would think that if this is as heinous a crime everyone gushes about when ranting against RHP Jeffrey Dahmer, then they might treat it as such in the justice system. This case didn’t even rise to a preponderance of evidence against the accused, but everyone thinks it’s heinous enough to chime in with their own.
Here is a local news outlet referring to the SI story. The headline, even if you only read for 5 seconds is the first I’ve seen that helps Luke’s case. I’m tired of talking about this but maybe it’ll finally get people to change their knee jerk opinions.
https://www.kgw.com/article/sports/ncaa/osus-heimlich-denies-he-molested-niece-in-new-sports-illustrated-article/283-552766749
This is a good article. It gets the point at least.
Regarding Heimlich, one thing that I keep reading that bothers me is the sentiment that Bill stated above. E.g. I don’t believe Luke because he said before he did it and now he says he maintained his innocence the whole time.
It’s pretty simple to understand why he would say that. He was still on probation when he made his first public statement. Publicly declaring his innocence while still on probation would be a violation of his plea deal. It wasn’t long after his probation period ended when that article came out with him declaring his innocence.
On another note, these media members who can’t fathom why the OSU administration is staying quiet are either ignorant or baiting them into saying something so they can generate more articles out of this. Casey and Ed Ray have already said they support Luke. Saying anything beyond that may expose the University to its own legal trouble, and it would definitely stir up emotions of people who won’t believe Luke and could never be convinced otherwise. There are too many narcissistic twats on twitter that believe their own opinion is worth a damn – and they would just cause more noise. Luke is being smart to control the message and very well may have asked the University to not comment on it.
Regardless of if he did it or not, he should be allowed to pursue whatever career he wants. Brenda Tracy argues he can live a normal life and that playing baseball is a “privilege”. This whole privilege thing keeps getting repeated like it’s a fact, and it’s not. If he can’t play baseball what can he do? Health care? No. teacher? No. Stand up comedy? Louis CK would disagree. Sure, he could find a job, but to say it can’t be the one thing he is best at is unfair.
Brenda Tracy has no ability to understand nuance and degrees. I hope OSU distances itself from her as long as she continues to blame them for her own issues. Oregon State is an institution that is required by law to follow certain policies and procedures – policies and procedures that have been vetted, altered, tested and audited to ensure that students and related matters are treated fairly. We can’t make shit up, including arbitrary punishments because Brenda Tracy says so.
She should stay with what she does best….
Being an angry, ignorant, man hating twatsicle?
Exactly!
I don’t think he’s ever said that he did it other than what the court forced him to write etc. If he really always maintained his innocence then I think it’s at least probable that he is innocent.
We’ll never know. It’s probably somewhere between a 25% and 75% chance that he did it. Either way it’s not strong enough to ban the kid from baseball.
“Hey, that kid might have been a dirtbag when he was 15! Kick him out of society!”
Brenda Tracy would never be allowed on a jury because she is insanely biased. The “I always believe the girl no matter what” motto of hers means that she couldn’t be a juror, yet she wants to play judge, jury and executioner. I’m sick of her to be honest. There are positive things that she could be doing for her cause, but making irrational demands isn’t one of them.
Did the girl know enough about such things to contrive her story? Why did Luke’s brother go to court? If it was in the movies, which it’s beginning to approximate, Luke’s older brother would beat him senseless and this supposedly Walton-like family would sort it out themselves.
Go Beavs and good pitching, Luke.
The whole story is intertwined in a divorce with a custody battle, so nothing is probably as it seems.
The real question is why doesn’t mommy dearest have custody?
I feel like if the brother really REALLY 100% believed that he did it he would have done far more damage to Luke, physically or otherwise.
I have a 6 year old daughter. I feel like if this happened to her she would be much more explicit about what happened. The way it’s described in court sounds more like a 3-4 year old telling what happened, not a 6 year old. A 6 year old is very much aware of their body and has a deeper understanding of the world and language. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, just that the facts don’t add up 100%.
We’ll likely never know.
We’d have to see the transcript of the victim’s initial and subsequent interviews to make the numbers skew one way or another.
See if you can find the other thing that truly bothered me about the SI article when I read it… then did a double-take with a WTF? look on my face.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2210261212001940
Privilege? Driving is a privilege according to law. Playing baseball because you are good enough is a talent. Just like running a company is a talent. Let the kid do what he was obviously built to do. Tracy’s only talent seems to be judging and persecuting anyone she can. I get she was a victim but that does not give the right to victimize others.
On another note… I read above about he should take a lie detector test… Didn’t he already take a couple? Didn’t he pass those? I doubt another will help at this point. I come from a law enforcement background and I can tell you innocent people take no contest pleas all the time in our messed up legal system… don’t know if he really did it or not but taking a plea is not uncommon.
Sorry, didn’t hit Reply… this is continued convo from Hellobeavers post.
My recollection from the Eggars article was that they could not ask him about about the specific incident during polygraphs and the questions were generic “have you done this stuff to other girls?”
I could be wrong about that, as I read it several months ago.
Didn’t catch that but it makes sense… usually a lot of restrictions involved in these deals.
From Eggers article re: the polygraph:
The questions:
“Not to include (the niece), have you engaged in sexual conduct with any member of your family?'” And, “Not to include (the niece), have you engaged in sexual contact with anyone else more than two years younger than you?”
The reason the specific incident was not covered in the polygraph exam:
Luke and his parents would have welcomed the opportunity for a polygraph asking questions directly related to his niece, but their attorney said polygraph results are inadmissible in Washington court, and he advised against asking Luke specific questions.
It appears no court ordered restrictions were involved, just the attorney who also advised against disputing the charge.
https://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/385703-274945-penalties-paid-heimlich-ready-to-return-for-beavers-baseball
The interview could be parsed by the proscution to convey negative answers. If talking directly about the niece, he opens himself up to any number of prosecutorial lines of questioning. He also opens himself up to harsher sentencing. While it’s not admissable as evidence in a trial, it is a matter of record and could be conveyed as something other than complete repentance.
But the interviews weren’t exclusive in and of themselves. According to the numbers, he should have failed them badly if he were an offender. These offenses happen in a vacuum in an infinitesimal percentage of these cases. Offenders almost always build to this point and would stumble on any number of these seemingly ancillary questions.
Add to that the Pierce County Prosecutor’s alleged demeanor during that time period. It was apparently so bad that local law enforcement joined a failed attempt to recall him. Also add that the county prosecutor’s baby (or so he made it seem for publicity) was just completed in the form of the Children’s Advocacy Center. The apparent and alleged malfeasance in that office at that time doesn’t speak well for those who would wonder why a kid would agree to adjudication versus the likelihood of ending up in their system.
Or… Luke had Lecter-like intelligence at the age of 15, had studied psychology enough to evade detection from any trained psychologist regarding any deviant behavior, and his psychopathy is so pure that he even intentionally under-performed in his secondary studies, so as to disguise these traits.
Those who would make him an evil entity need to come to terms with the basis for their demands. The above is how ridiculous they sound when they dive headlong into this without any thought.
All of us did it when we first heard about it. But that’s how poor a story Moran and the O wrote. It was apparent from the outset that story was rife with major holes and language so biased that he was convicted in the social sphere, but never truly convicted of anything ever. And we were yet to study the topic in any depth. They cherry-picked the salacious and gave truth a minor billing.
Tracey is nothing more than a publicity seeker. What suddenly makes Tracey an expert on child molestation? Most detractors seem to ignore that the law in the state of Washington that determined Luke’s appropriate penalty….not opinions of emotionally charged hacks that know little or next to nothing about how the laws in Washington actually deal with juvenile offenders. If Tracey was smart, she’d just keep her mouth shut and stay out of the story….but she won’t and that even lends more truth to her being a media hound.
In other news,
Madrigal projected as a consensus top 5 pick in the draft. Larnach is a 1st rounder in some mock drafts. Grenier will be a top 3 round pick.
Kwan a likely post 10 round pick. Gretler, nobach late round picks.
Maybe someone takes a flyer on Fehmel. Good thing adley isn’t a draft eligible sophomore.
Hopefully Bryce comes back, otherwise the pitching will be really questionable next year.
It would be great to have Kwan as a senior leader next year with all the losses from the draft and graduation. ABBA also wants him back for the royalty check. He has made himself into a heck of a player.
For selfish reasons, i hope Kwan doesn’t get picked as we could sure use him again next season.
1. Depends on what round he’s drafted.
2. Juniors have more leverage on signing money as they always have the option of not signing and returning for their senior year to improve draft stock.
3. Also depends on the the player. Does he want to spend another year in college ball or start his minor league career?
I have not looked at draft projections but as of today, I think Kwan gets taken somewhere in the draft. Bryce Fehmel is another enigma. He could certainly improve his draft stock by pitching well in the postseason with MLB scouts watching. Which he just did very well against Stanford last weekend with scouts in the ball park.
Stay tuned
Upon some brief research………..
Perfect game has Kwan as the 314th best player in the 2018 draft. in the 2017 MLB draft, pick no 314 was in the 10th round. It was also noted in an article earlier this year that Kwan was pressing due to worrying about his draft stock. He’s probably as good as gone.
Check today’s Gazette Times as there is an article about him
I tend to think Luke did it. A big super religious family and the brother still being angry sounds a bit like a Duggar situation. I dunno what the answer is though. I guess the way I see it doesn’t make sense to me to have 2 classes of citizens. Either he is healthy enough to reenter society or he should be locked up. Makes no sense to have people only partially reenter society.
Josh could be upset at Luke because he didn’t contest; he may view it as Luke trying to preserve his baseball career at the expense of the custody of the daughter.
I keep going back to this segement from the NYTimes story.
Then why the fuck did you even bring this story to the attention of the Oregonian if you were so worried about a light being shown on this case?
And what if Luke becomes a highly successful surgeon/pilot/entrepreneur/anything other than baseball player This is all about revenge and doing whatever it takes to make Luke’s life a living hell. It just so happens that he’s good at baseball, so that’s the path being taken to attack him.
If Luke really did those things, then any parent would want to destroy the offender. I wouldn’t really argue either.
Did you see the MSU father ask the judge for 5 minutes alone with Nassar? Judge denied it. Then the father tried to attack Nassar in court but was tackled. Everyone wanted to see him get his hands on Nassar.
https://youtu.be/N-74iKnHPQs
Seriously.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-texas-father-beat-death-daughters-molester/story?id=16612071
I have a 6 year old daughter. If I caught this happening or knew it happened 100% I’d probably react a lot more like this Texas father.
There has to be at least some doubt in the brother’s mind that it actually happened.
What a bad situation for everyone.
If they really cared about the girl they would more on with their lives and not constantly trust him into the spotlight for this over and over.
Not remotely the same thing as Luke’s supposed transgression. Any more than Brenda Tracy’s pomposity is in putting Luke’s supposed violation under the umbrella of campus sexual violence.
Strike the word remotely.
Something that was ingrained in me growing up………
If you make a mistake, own it, learn from it and move on. If you make the same mistake again, then it’s not a mistake. It’s a pattern of behavior.
Guilty or not, at this time this appears to be the case with Luke. A concept completely lost on Tracy, Canzano and many others. The state of Washington agrees.
If you don’t like the laws currently in place, write to your attorney general stating as such and why. This social media shaming attempting to destroy people is weak and small minded. I could say several things about Ms Tracy’s rape since no one was arrested (to my knowledge) or convicted but I will refrain. I have no idea what actually did or did not take place. Sadly she hasn’t done the same.
Actually that’s a great point.
It sounds like the daughter has no recollection of anything. If it really happened wouldn’t it have been best to let the daughter keep not knowing what happened rather than thrusting her into the spotlight like this?
If I was a detective I’d start with interviewing the mother. If it was made up the mom would know it. Start with her.
They aren’t bringing it up now. Luke is so he can get drafted.
Luke’s brother is the one who pursued the charges so both parents were on the same page. Neither thought the child was lying.
So says the mother… who seems to relish exposing her daughter for this constant vengeance.
I was sexually molested when I was 5 years old by my 15 year old female cousin. I remember distinctly she used to fondle me when my folks went over to my dad’s sisters house to play the card game of Rook. She would sit in the change fondle me….what’s the point of my recollection? Well, something like this you don’t typically forget. Given this little girl has no recollection of Luke ever touching her certainly makes me wonder about how factual it really is. I could be wrong but I would think she would have some memory of that happening unless her mother fabricated the story.
It was actually sitting in a chair not change and we were in the living room while our parents played rook in the kitchen at the table. In my teen years, I always thought that my cousin was strange but that was pretty much all I thought about the situation.
Sorry for your experience, thanks for being willing to share though.
Beavs and Texas Tech have signed a home and home agreement for 2025 and 2026
http://osubeavers.com/news/2018/5/17/football-another-power-5-conference-foe-added-to-schedule.aspx
Yuk.
Isn’t all the Texas tech really in Austin and not Lubbock?
Texas Tech AD Kirby Hocutt remarked “We saw this as a real Win Win!”
#1 Fl loses to MS State.
I hope I’m wrong, but with all the “off the record” crap from GM’s and scouts, I’m getting the sinking feeling that MLB has already decided Heimlich is a pariah and he understands that, so that’s why he is granting interviews.
I don’t really know what else he can do, if he stays silent isn’t the perception even worse? It’s a complex and shitty situation and most of the general public doesn’t care about rehabilitation, it feels good for them to punish a potential millionaire over and over again. And don’t even bother with adjudication of minors, that’s a concept even SI and WSJ journalists can’t seem to get their arms around. Just not good all the way around.
I hope you are wrong and because Heimlich is not an ordinary pitcher, I believe some team will take a chance, there will be an initial reaction, and life will carry on.
NEW THREADS COMING
Yes, plural. TWO new threads will be up later this morning, one for the weekend baseball series vs USC and one with the latest from our attorney friend, Martin Meyer.
Good timing to hear Meyer’s thoughts on Brenda and the SI article; I understand the hard copy of SI will hit the newstands today.
Beavs move up to #5 in rpi.
D1baseball and baseball America both have osu hosting Cal St Fullerton, Pepperdine and Ohio State. Paired with either east Carolinas regional or Stetsons. A good draw.
Both so have UW making the field. But they’ll get dropped in the end unless they win the stanford series.