Washington attorney Martin Meyer shares his response to the recent piece in the New York Times.
Those wishing further background on lawyer Meyer and his views can refer to the thread posted here on Feb 14, 2018.
Here is his article:
Epilogue: NYT 8 May 2018: “All the News That’s Fit to Print” Was it?
Any writer taking on the subject of writing about Luke Heimlich other than just his baseball skills, ought to have at least a rudimentary understanding of Washington state law, specifically its Juvenile Justice Act (JJA) as it would relate to a juvenile charged with a sex offense, the 2016 US Department of Education report (“Beyond the Box”), and the Caldwell Study Sex Offense Registration and Related Laws: Treating Youth Fairly, National Juvenile Justice Network, 2016 before undertaking an attempt to write about, let alone formulate an opinion about, this complex case.
Curiously, the NYT article was completely devoid of any content of these extremely relevant subject areas. The article was simply a regurgitation of old news made worse by the fact there was no reference to the WA JJA, the DOE report or the Caldwell study. The most important news to print wasn’t printed at all.
Washington Law: First of all, Mr. Heimlich’s record is SEALED by Court Order. Once sealed, the effect is that the proceedings in the case shall be treated as if they never occurred. Thereafter, the subject (Mr. Heimlich) may reply accordingly about the events and records that are sealed. See RCW 13.50.260(6)(a).
Our state constitution guarantees jury trials in criminal prosecutions and this right to a trial by jury shall remain inviolate. We have a separate system for dealing with juveniles accused of committing offenses and they are not afforded jury trials. According to our Supreme Court, Washington has been avoiding accusing and convicting juveniles of crimes for more than 100 years.
Under the Juvenile code “An order of court adjudging a child a juvenile offender or dependent under the provisions of this chapter shall in no case be deemed a conviction of crime.” RCW 13.04.240. Our Supreme Court has written: Thus, “An act which would be a crime if committed by an adult is not a crime, and thus not a felony, if committed by a juvenile.” We treat youth here in Washington differently than adults charged with the same offense. We use a completely different vernacular. Our Juvenile Justice Act operates under the philosophy to rehabilitate, correct and direct errant youth. It appears Mr. Heimlich did not require much redirection. We don’t rehabilitate youth to 95% and say “you may now resume your pursuit of life, liberty & happiness. Oh, except you can’t play professional baseball. Sorry.” If that were the case, what else couldn’t he do? Where would you draw the line in the sand?
The reason our Supreme Court denies juveniles the right to a jury trial lies in the distinction between the adult and juvenile systems. It is the rehabilitative purposes and lesser penalties of the JJA which stand in contrast to the punitive purposes and much more serious penalties of the adult criminal system. It is the nature of the penalty, not the criminal act committed that distinguishes the juvenile from the adult system. Our Supreme Court has written in justification of the denial of jury trials to juveniles as follows:
The purpose of the juvenile justice system is ostensibly to establish a system of having primary responsibility for, and responding to, the needs of offenders, as well as to hold juveniles responsible for their offenses. The critical distinction between the two systems lies in the Juvenile Justice Act of 1997’s (JJA) policy of responding to the needs of juvenile offenders. We have in the past found such a policy as rehabilitative in nature, whereas the criminal system is punitive. Such difference has led us to consistently conclude the right to jury trial does not extend to juveniles adjudicated in juvenile proceedings.
This highlights the complexities an accused juvenile faces. Especially in cases involving allegations of sexual abuse where the evidence is nothing more than “he said” “she said.” The principle function of a jury is to find facts, not determine punishment. Our Supreme courts answer to this is, if a juvenile wants a jury trial, then they can decline Juvenile court jurisdiction and be tried as an adult. The trouble with this is if convicted, one would face the consequences an adult would receive.
This further complicates the difficulties of a 15 year old accused of a sex offense faces. Although the standard of proof of beyond a reasonable doubt is the same in an adult criminal proceeding as in a juvenile offender proceeding, it is not the same standard of proof. Who would you want to decide your fate? A jury of one judicial officer wearing a black robe or a jury of 12 of your peers who must be unanimous in their decision?
So yes, youth do often plead guilty to things they didn’t do to avoid likely much worse consequences. And yes, false accusations exist. The Department of Education report references plea bargains and collateral consequences for anyone who would care to read the report.
Beyond the Box: Finally, this notion that Luke Heimlich is “controversial” needs to be put to rest. He is just one of thousands of youth across this country who have been involved with the justice system. I’ve already answered the question of whether or not he’s “paid his debt” above. However, I can’t ignore this quote from Judge Sterling Johnson, Jr. from the Eastern District of the United States District Court of New York speaking at a national summit on lowering barriers of access of adult ex convicts to housing, securing public benefits, employment, etc. “If you borrow money from a bank and you pay it off, your debt is forgiven. If you get convicted of a crime in the criminal justice system, be it federal or state, you pay for the rest of your life.” With understanding and a little compassion, it’s time to turn the tide.
The best advice I could glean from the DOE report regarding admissions counselors making decisions to admit a justice involved individual for enrollment in their institution was this quote from p.28 of the report: “Perhaps the most powerful tool an admissions counselor or officer can have is the ability to use his or her own human experience in assessing the person behind the paper. Institutions should seek to create an admissions process that respects human dignity and is fair and equitable by design.” Why shouldn’t this also be true for landlords considering an applicant for housing, or an applicant for employment, i.e. major league baseball?
This is the second article I have tendered for public consideration regarding the Heimlich case. Though I have been happy to provide my thinking as a kind of amicus curiae (friend of the court of public opinion) it is truly unfortunate that OSU, other than Coach Casey, has failed to offer such information or the full range of support that Mr. Heimlich deserves as a student athlete especially in light of their newly announced policy increasing their commitment to student success. There was so much more that was fit to print.
Bravo. Now will the NYT pay any attention?
No – it doesn’t sell papers.
Too much to hope that a news publication actually picks this up? Very well written piece that will get completely ignored?
Is this published anywhere else? Or just here?
It is crazy to think that nearly a year has passed since the original O story came out, yet one of the most respected newspapers in the country(NYTimes) couldn’t add anything to the story and just regurgitated existing material. In the least, shouldn’t the aim be to grow from this experience, not just put it on repeat?
Just here.
yep, just here. In response to the question as to where one can find critical thinking about Oregon State Athletics . . .
The Gory Onion? “You’re kidding, right?”
The nation’s newspaper of record? “It’s easier to cut and paste the Oregonian”
Answer: now and always–AngryBeavs.com
Everyone Tweet this one (or retweet my post on Twitter about it). Get some traction.
Sent you an email, angry
I don’t twitter, those who do could consider tweeting to Kurt Streeter the author of the NYT piece, he tweets and, I believe is based in Oregon.
Kerry Eggers has done good work on this, he needs to also be tweeted.
Capn’ obvious stuff I know, but the ball needs to keep rolling.
Funny, i was just pulling up his acct so I could post something similar, oob. Agree, somebody should link this article in the comments of Steeter’s article as well. Or maybe ask Streeter to link it, since it does add some context to the story.
https://twitter.com/kurtstreeter/status/993722501812310016?s=19
Also, looks like Streeter is based in Seattle, which is probably why we’re seeing a Luke Heimlich story in the NYTimes at all. He probably was able to reach out to the Heimlich family more easily than a non-local reporter.
I don’t see it on Streeter’s site. Has he blocked it? He has a bunch of positive stuff from idiots.
The only predictable point of the whole thing is why it is being stirred up now, before the biggest series of the year so far. Stanford looms and Heimlich is again in the cross hairs of yellow journalism. Canzano et al can’t let it go, now they add the NYT to the pile.
I’ve had 3 different close acquaintances email me this week with the same eyeroll response to the timing of this week’s stories.
Non-OSU fans, but people familiar with usual suspects in the media.
It’s fucking cheap.
Were Luke’s records sealed after five years or on his 18th birthday? I just want some clarity.
5 years
So he was 20 when the records were sealed. It makes sense now.
All Luke can do now is pitch. He didn’t pitch after last year’s crap. Good they are at Gill. Who’s at home plate Friday night? Will the hitters keep hitting? It isn’t any old baseball game.
If a hit goes in the basket is that 2 runs?
I think you mean, Goss? Who’s not umpiring, Who’s on first, What’s on second, I don’t know is on third….
Ok that’s enough.
I agree. The NYT story really was a rehash of much of what the Oregonian reported last year. The only new pieces were some quotes from Luke – which kind of surprised me. Why talk to anyone in the media?
why talk to the media–my theory is Luke has been convinced by the scouts he is talking to that he needs to be on the record that he’s ultimately innocent of what Moran and Canzano (and now the NYT) have convicted him of so that the same kind of (ignorant) scorn isn’t heaped upon them by their own (lazy) local media.
My interpretation of Meyer’s latest: (1) Heimlich is “controversial” in the same way Jackie Robinson was. (2) Meyer having to do the university’s job because they are intimated by Canzano.
From this point forward, please refer to Canzano as Dolphin Boy. He’s probably a big fan of the Stormy Daniels show appearing at Starz in Beaverton. However, that’s a little bit of a challenge for him because his radio show was previously sponsored by the DolphinII Strip Club. I don’t listen to his radio show or read his junk anymore so his program may still get sponsorship from a business that exploits women….something that he is so vehemently opposed to….
Using Brenda Tracy logic, Dolphin Boy should be removed from his journalistic position.
You know, moral compass and soapbox
Dolphin Boy needs to recuse himself.
Moral compass and Canzano the adulterer don’t even belong in the same book. 100% hypocrite and those that call him out on it get blocked, muted, etc.
He’s a big fucking pussy too and I’d love the opportunity to tell him that….man to pussy.
Anyone know anything about Riley Grigsby?
https://twitter.com/INBRecruits/status/994623862187835392
Dave from Tumwater gave a shout out to angry on todays show
I had my first live JB show experience while driving across SD and heard the legendary DFT reference AB’s in regards to the Meyer article.
I listened via podcast.
To save others the effort, DFT begins at 1:10:55 with a discussion of a possible MLB team to Portland and at 1:15:35 Parker changes the subject, giving DFT opening to discuss this thread and mention AB. Parker quickly moves on and DFT is done a minute later at 1:16:40.
Hope that helps, just click on the 5-10-2018 podcast:
http://kejoam.com/joebeaver-podcast/
Can’t wait to listen to that in the AM.
We’ve now been on ESPN and….the joe beaver show.
You have to really be paying attention to catch it. Dave brings up the post, Parker gives him a second to say there’s a new Martin Meyer post on angrybeavs, but Parker cuts him off quickly after that, saying he hasn’t read it yet, but will check it out and he doesn’t want to get into the discussion on the show.
Maybe Dave needs a little less lead up to his main point in the future. Radio shows often cut their guests short in order to meet advertising quotas and what not.
Yeah I just heard it. Funny Parker said he’d check it out. Hey, Mike! Please retire?
Parker was told by OSU not to talk about it, and he almost broke down on air after Lydia’s tweet went out.
Interesting how DFT came with a well thought out take on the various scenarios for MLB setting up shop in Portland. Then Parker even tried to talk over him as he was mentioning Angry Beavs dot Com.
Five minutes of speculating on MLB was fine with Parker, but AB? A scant minute!
What are pro broadcasters and journalists afraid of?
Great interview here with Madrigal. Good news: It’s more of him talking than Parker.
http://osubeavers.com/sports/2017/8/4/beaver-sports-podcast.aspx
No wonder great kids want to play baseball at OSU.
Bachmeier to Boise.
He loves his spuds.
What’s the first state referred to in the brand name Ore-Ida?
And yet the pundits can’t figure out why people don’t trust the media!
Because “the media” is an obtuse term used by people more obtuse than the term itself and who are too lazy to counter, point by point, what they think is incorrect.
Most of the time, those who decry the major media outlets are either hiding something or are defending someone who is hiding something. Fox News is a special case since they sued the FCC to to be able to tell fiction under the purview of the title of news… and won. Since then, garbage has made its way into people’s heads and made them think facts aren’t even facts.
I watched the other day as someone who was “proud” to be a redneck was waving a Confederate Battle flag and muttering something dumb ,like someone dumb like that would mutter.
I wonder what that moron would think if he knew a redneck was a labor union activist who was willing to take arms against his employer. And then I wonder what the fuck that heroic moment of the little man doing commie things has to do with a seditious loser flag like the stars and buh buh bars.
Fuck the stars and bars. It is literally a symbol of sedition. Fuck that shit. And fuck the losers who try to apologize for that losing piece of representative loser shit.
You seem to like nitpicking and making things more complicated than they are. I could say “the sky is blue” and you’d have at least three exceptions or rebuttals, which while possibly technically correct, would hack the main point into a bunch of pieces buried under your many paragraphs and barely-related tangents.
You’re just now figuring that out? It’s really sad because sometimes he has some really good points. But like most with an inferiority complex, he tries too hard and usually just comes across as a pompous asshat. There’s been plenty of those exhibits on this board.
It’s cute that you think this is trying.
This is a blog. Next time you look at a grey sky or an orange sunset, think to yourself how hard I’m trying to do whatever you think I’m trying to do.
Damn! Jack’s trying to prove the sky isn’t blue… sometimes. What a pompous asshat that guy is!
I would think being ignorant then dismissing all pertinent facts as fake or whatever is what takes effort. You have to make a conscious effort to ignore reality. Accepting it for what it is takes humility.
I’m nitpicking your gross generalizations. “The media” isn’t what you think it is. If you remember this:
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6
… you would know that I’m not nitpicking anything. I’ve said before that language counts. When you use certain language, I can tell you what media you consume. Some of it gets muddy because of viral memes/terminology. But it’s easy enough to filter and combine terms to discover a source or sources.
Oddly, the fight against “fake” news is primarily done by the biggest single news source in the world. I have to amend the above claim about suing to tell fiction. It wasn’t Faux News. It was Fox Networks. And they were being sued because they fired some reporters who told the truth. The networks (who own local “news” networks), wanted to be able to call facts fake or alarmist in order to justify termination.
However, it is now precedent.
Oh… and fuck the stars and bars. It’s literally a battle flag for a bunch of seditious losers. That’s what it stands for, nothing else.
And fuck the people who think they’re rednecks but aren’t. I’m willing to say the same to those who would misapply it as a pejorative as well. Fuck them too.
https://www.redneckrevolt.org/single-post/2016/07/24/BATTLE-OF-BLAIR-MOUNTAIN
What is happening…
You ok bro?
I agree–this country has lost all civility. I disagree with McCain’s agenda 98% of the time, but a four time bone spur deferral fake mob boss and his toadies shitting on John’s grave before he passes?
There are no words-but for me, back to work.
You’re not my sibling.
Life is happening.
Please catch up. First lesson: I don’t suffer stupid well. I have more fun with stupid who think dey cool.
Men’s hoops topics………………..
Nicebeaver mentions a PG verbal commit at the end of the previous thread in case anyone missed it. 2* out of Canada, Antoine Vernon. I don’t claim to be an expert but the video I watched wasn’t overly awe inspiring. I see a project PG not ready for P-12 play. Hat tip to NB for the breaking news and link……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kZeGLwORds&feature=youtu.be
The Pac-12 is considering shifting from an 18 to 20-game conference schedule in men’s basketball, multiple sources told FanRag Sports on Tuesday.
No decision is imminent, but the topic is expected to be heavily discussed among the league’s head coaches next week at the Pac-12 conference meetings in Phoenix.
The Big Ten will shift to a 20-game league schedule next season and the ACC will do the same during the 19-20 campaign.
A separate source told FanRag Sports that the earliest that the Pac-12 would likely shift to a 20-game league schedule would be two seasons from now in 19-20.
https://frshoopz.com/cbb/rothstein-pac-12-considering-shift-to-20-game-conference-schedule/
I fail to see the reasoning behind this one. Just because the ACC and B1G are doing it doesn’t mean the Pac has to. We already aren’t respected and rightfully so considering the awful tournament results the last few years. Schedule some tough OOC games or get involved in tougher OOC early season tournaments. Oh, and actually fucking win some of them.
I suspect it is about getting butts in the seats and eyes on the TV and therefore really about money.
For the B1G another motivation is to avoid the scenario of the traditional conference teams missing each other on the schedule for a couple years in lieu of matchups with Rutgers. This has been a request by the fan bases in the B1G for several years. Conference games generate interest and excitement and get people into the arena. Delaney has always been a forward thinker and most of his ideas have turned out to be visionary. Playing the conf. tournament in NYC at Madison Square last year being an obvious exception.
I don’t have time to watch video clips but I’d take a steady but unspectacular PG at this point. Someone to initiate and run an offense.
Hear, hear…
Better tape on Vernon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGt6kWL9eqg
He looks like an Ahmad Starks type talent–a system 1 who plays a role. Campbell has more upside.
Dam, that’d suck to get an undersized scoring guard when we need a PG.
Starks obviously wasn’t a 2. But he did call his own number too much at times. Vernon won’t be allowed to develop in that way in a different system with more relative options.
There’s a site called North Pole Hoops that looks like it has a profile on him, but you have to register to read it
The writer on his twitter account, back in March said:
https://t.co/XG3nzVY9wb
I’ll take a pick and roll master, as long as he doesn’t get abused when playing defense.
Twitter account for the writer is @elias_nph
Also if he can just hold onto the ball and not turn it over 5 times a game. Can’t score the ball if there is not a shot attempt.
What about Xavier Smith? I believe he was a walk on but looked like a decent recruit. Could he fill the starting PG role?
Here’s his bio on OSU’s website: http://osubeavers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4158
I’m not convinced WT knows how to put it all together. Manuel is now at U of Montana. I think it will be interesting to see how he does there with a coach many consider to be very good.
When this was posted, AB lost the one reader who made a monthly recurring donation. Very odd.
Anyway, just a head’s up to anyone who does want to donate now or in the future: you can make small recurring donations. Like .25c per month (or whatever you can afford), etc. These add up and are honestly the best way to help fund AB over the long term. If everyone who reads the blog set up a recurring donation of a quarter per month we’d never have to ask for donations.
We are set on hosting now, so this would simply be appreciation for the work.
Rustchman hits a 2 out single to score Kwan followed by a 2 run gretler double makes it 3-0 Beavs
If nobody minds, I’ll start a fresh thread for the Standord series. Just a moment
New baseball only post is up
I guess my problem with this is how simple details are missed by people. Whether anyone thinks Luke is guilty or innocent of something doesn’t even matter anymore. It’s come to the point where people want to make him a victim, regardless of what justice says.
They may feel justified in their actions, but the simple detail they’re missing is that in order for him to be a victim, there have to be offenders.
And now those offenders have to wrestle with the fact they bring to light some strange things in the justice system itself due to an insufficient story being pieced together by the readers. They also expose the original victim time and time again, having the presumption to speak for her.
I can’t see my way to being that kind of offender no matter what I thought Luke did in the past. I can give the mother a pass if she truly believes this. I would do everything to anyone who hurt my children.
But this isn’t my child. It’s a child outed by a clickbait-hungry crew who got a tip from someone. They thought it would make them. But now future readers and employers can read and listen to their reporting and whines about Luke and know that they only tell 20% of a story and use that as their jumping-off point to “editorialize.”
So congrats to those people who can become that kind of offender on a whim. But, I can’t envy you. My understanding of offenders is that they don’t have only one victim. The offense becomes ingrained in the offender’s being, and others get to enjoy being their victims out of pure habit.