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The Luke Heimlich Story (Part 2) — By Kristine Erickson

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Our guest writer and friend of the family continues. If you missed part one, it is here.

When the allegation emerged in early 2012 that their 5-year-old granddaughter had been molested in their home, Luke’s parents were stunned. They couldn’t believe Luke would do such a thing and couldn’t think of a time when it might have happened. He was hardly ever home when the grandchildren were there, and he was never alone with them. Whenever he wasn’t involved in school, sports, or church activities, he was helping his father on renovation projects at customers’ homes. Children both younger and older than Luke were constantly in the Heimlich home, and no hint of inappropriate behavior had ever arisen from any of them.

The report of abuse came from the girl’s mother, who had recently lost a custody dispute with Luke’s older brother. Luke unequivocally denied the accusation, and his parents had every reason to consider him trustworthy. After agonizing family discussions, the girl’s father took her to a Children’s Advocacy Center (CAC). This was probably unavoidable, no matter whom he initially believed. Failing to report an allegation of child abuse could be grounds to remove both children from his custody.

To a falsely accused person, the mission description on CAC’s website is not reassuring: “Children’s Advocacy Centers are child-focused, child-friendly facilities where children and their families feel safe enough to get the help they need to stop abuse and begin the process of healing.” It goes on to describe CAC’s role in helping law enforcement increase the number of successful prosecutions. The priorities include no mention of seeking the truth.

We have come a long way from the child sex-abuse hysteria that swept the country 30 years ago, when interviewers goaded young children into making allegations that sent innocent people to prison all over the country. But recent research in several countries, including the U.S., has shown that forensic interviews of young children still include too many leading questions, even after interviewers have been trained in best practices. Research results are described starting around the 20-minute mark in the following video, which was produced at Abertay University in Scotland.

Youtube video here.

Cornell University has done extensive research on the suggestibility of children and the accuracy of their memories. The following video, narrated by Dr. Stephen Ceci, shows how hard it is to figure out whether young children are describing things that actually happened. Nine minutes into the video, Dr. Ceci recounts a situation in which he would advise his own son to plead guilty even if he was innocent.

Youtube video here.

In March 2012, Luke was officially charged with molesting his niece. His parents met with a lawyer, who outlined the immediate steps they should take and the options they would have next. Luke’s mother recently showed me her handwritten notes from their first meeting with the lawyer. At the top of the page is “Arraignment – plea not guilty.” The rest of her notes outline all the documents they would need to procure and the procedural steps they would have to take during the coming weeks. At the bottom of the page, she wrote, “2 paths: 1) trial or 2) plea bargain.”

In most states, including Washington, juveniles are tried by a judge instead of a jury. Luke’s lawyer gave him a grim prognosis for his chance of convincing a judge he was innocent. The pain of that experience is still visible on the face of Luke’s mother when she recalls the words that were directed at her son: The judge won’t believe you, and people will hate you for making a little girl talk about this. The lawyer was probably right, but the mother’s heart was broken. A vigorous defense of their son would have little chance of success, and their 6-year-old granddaughter would be harmed in the process. A plea bargain seemed to be the only reasonable option, which is the same conclusion reached by nearly everyone in this situation. About 95% of all criminal court cases end with a plea agreement.

Luke’s lawyer recommended Washington’s Special Sex Offender Disposition Alternative (SSODA). This includes a program of therapy and a 2-year probation sentence, which would enable Luke to live at home, attend his regular school, and play on his sports teams. By the scheduling conference at the end of April, Luke’s parents had decided on this option, and a “Plea & Sentencing” hearing was set for July 30.

On the appointed date, they met with the lawyer just before entering the courtroom. When he showed them the plea agreement with GUILTY printed at the top of the page. Luke’s parents refused to allow it. Until that moment, they somehow thought their son would be pleading “not guilty.” For months they had been referring to their handwritten notes to make sure they didn’t miss a step in the process. The top page was from the first meeting with the lawyer, when they wrote “Arraignment – plea not guilty.”

People familiar with legal procedures know arraignment happens early in the process, but many of us could easily suffer from the mistake Luke’s parents made. I recently searched the Pierce County website to see if the Juvenile Court provides helpful information about SSODA procedures. There I found this FAQ page, which describes exactly what Luke’s parents thought would happen.

https://www.co.pierce.wa.us/faq.aspx?TID=131

What will happen at arraignment? “On the day of the hearing, the youth will plead ‘not guilty’ to the offense …”

Wait. What happens after that? There’s nothing about a “Plea & Sentencing” appearance, a guilty plea, or a confession. It looks like the kid pleads “not guilty” and magically goes straight to SSODA probation. God help the kids and parents who try to navigate the labyrinth with this for a guide.

Luke’s lawyer asked for a continuance, and the plea hearing was rescheduled for August 27, with a potential trial date on September 18. After four weeks of agonizing over impossible choices, Luke and his parents returned to court. As millions of people now know, Luke signed the guilty plea, including a “confession.” Just above the signature line on the state’s standard plea agreement is a box titled: “The judge has asked me to state in my own words what I did that makes me guilty of this crime.” For a sexual offense a lawyer’s typical boilerplate statement is, “I admit that I had sexual contact.”

When I first looked into Luke’s case, I was shocked he had been forced to “confess.” In Washington State, as in most other states, a defendant is entitled to continue asserting his innocence even if he agrees to plead guilty (commonly known as an Alford plea). I eventually learned a 2006 amendment to the adult criminal code took away the right to an Alford plea specifically for a SSODA sentence. The adult criminal code shouldn’t apply to a juvenile, but it seems to be applied in practice. Based on statistics maintained by the National Registry of Exonerations, youth under 18 are three times more likely than adults to submit false confessions. When a 16-year-old boy “confesses” under these conditions, I’d have to say it was coerced.

Of the many falsehoods that have appeared in the media, one of the most damaging was the statement by the girl’s mother that Luke “accepted the plea the day before her daughter was set to testify” (Sports Illustrated 5/16/18). That has been repeated and retweeted countless times to reinforce the image of Luke as a guilty boy who caved at the last moment to avoid a harsher sentence.

Since there are no public documents available to refute that statement, I will reference the 6/8/17 Oregonian article: “The guilty plea eliminated any need for ‘further interviews of the victim or her testimony at trial’ prosecutors wrote.” What further interviews? If the girl had been scheduled to testify the following day, her interviews would have already been done. The point of the plea agreement was to spare her from all of that.

It is long past time for the media to start connecting the dots and ask the girl’s mother a few hard questions. I suggest starting with this one: “Why on earth did you encourage the Oregonian to publish this story instead of pleading with them to spare your daughter from such horrendous exposure?”

There was one bright prospect Luke and his parents counted on through all the challenges and indignities of the next several years. If he faithfully did everything asked of him, he could return to court at the end of August 2017 and have his juvenile record sealed. As promised in Washington State law, “Thereafter the proceedings in the case shall be treated as if they never occurred.” RCW 13.50.260(6)(a)

Luke was less than three months from the finish line when the sky fell on him.

The Sports Illustrated article includes this statement about the Oregonian’s reasons for breaking the story: “Top editor Mark Katches cites competitiveness, public safety and the surfacing of a criminal record of a public figure as factors in his decision to run the piece.”

Before accepting a guilty plea in August 2012, the judge should have turned to Luke’s parents and added a caveat: If your son succeeds beyond your wildest dreams and becomes a target of opportunity for the media, then forget the promise of a clean slate in five years, because the confession we extract from him will be broadcast to the world and will follow him to his grave.

137 COMMENTS

  1. Did a university official know before the story broke that Luke had this on his record? I ask because if his records weren’t sealed before August 2017, Corvallis PD would have known and be obligated (required?) to report it to someone at the university, ultimately making its way to the athletic director.

    • Found it…
      “Indeed, Heimlich’s probation and court-ordered classes ended in June ’14, and it didn’t hurt that his leaving would clear the way for his brother and niece to visit Luke’s parents at will. He still had three years remaining in the order to register as a felony sex offender in Washington—and by Oregon law was required to register there upon arrival—but by then he knew the drill. On Sept. 23, six days before classes began, he reported to the Corvallis Police Department and signed all necessary documents.

      Seemingly, Heimlich, who lived off-campus, had fulfilled his duty: At the time Oregon State had no rule requiring enrolling off-campus students—or athletes with or without scholarships—to declare criminal felony convictions or, specifically, sex offenses. The state police maintains Oregon’s sex registry. Once notified by local police that a student has registered as a sex offender, it follows a courtesy agreement with OSU to alert its Department of Public Safety. In Heimlich’s case such information would filter to select athletic department personnel.

      “As far as what I needed to do, I needed to tell Benton County and then they send the information to the university,” Heimlich said. “And that’s what happened.”

      Not quite. Because of what state police spokesman Tim Fox calls, “essentially, a clerical error” by both the state police and the Corvallis PD, and a series of unreturned phone calls and mail notifications that were marked undeliverable, 18 months passed before Oregon state police first notified the university of Heimlich’s sex offender status. Corvallis PD failed to fingerprint Heimlich when he first appeared, Fox says, and without positive identification Oregon state police could not add him to its sex offender registry.

      Fox says the onus for correcting the “error” lay with Oregon state police, not Heimlich: “His requirement is to register, and he had done that.”

      After two more calls from Oregon state police in the winter of 2015–16, Heimlich had his prints taken on Feb. 11 at the Benton County Sheriff’s office in Corvallis. On March 16, 2016—midway through the second semester of his sophomore year—state police emailed Chuck Yutzie in the university’s Department of Public Safety to inform him that Heimlich was on the state’s sex offender registry. What Yutzie did with the information is unclear; he didn’t reply to SI’s request for comment. Heimlich believed the university knew his status since his matriculation, but he says he never fully discussed it with Pat Casey until shortly before The Oregonian story broke last June. (The coach deferred questions on the matter to university officials, who declined to answer on the basis of student privacy restrictions.)”

  2. “It is long past time for the media to start connecting the dots and ask the girl’s mother a few hard questions.”

    Ding Ding Ding. I am honestly surprised no one has reached out to the mother and asked her point blank if she forced the girl to lie. Or offer her a chance to take a polygraph. AB said there were rumors she wanted $$$ from Oregonian. I willing to be someone (or some newspaper/magazine) out there has the $$$ to offer her the chance to take one. She has already lost her kids. What does she have to lose?

  3. The amount of ignorance and vitriol is astounding.

    “How can you cheer for a convicted child molester!”

    He’s not a convicted child molester

    “He’s a registered sex offender!”

    Again, he is not.

    You can certainly tell who has and has not researched this case and beyond. In the end it doesn’t matter. LH satisfied the courts and his record now sealed.

    • Unfortunately thanks to clickbait sites, Brenda Tracy, clownzano and their ilk, Luke’s already been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion.

      This issue, like many things in the social media age, has shaky legs but no one reads past the headlines.

      Just look at anyone who dares stand up to Brenda Tracy, She admittedly says she holds her hands over her ears and screams la-la-la-la-la concerning anything that may contradict her interpretation of the ‘facts.’ Her supporters call anyone that disagrees, pedo-enablers.

      Facts be damned, as most people apparently don’t need no stinking facts.

      • This won’t be a popular comment but those that go on Twitter and engage in name calling and mud slinging with her only make her stronger. She’s retweeting the slurs to create a picture of the fan base being irrational and only caring about winning. In my opinion, the only way to overcome her and Canzano is by continuing to hammer them with facts, research, and the family dynamics that have been shared by the family friend.

        • Yeah the knuckleheads make the situation with her worse. But when eggers piece is brought up, or Lydia Parker speaks up, or someone points out there may be more to theLH story, BT literally says she doesnt care her mind is made up ‘la-la-la-la I can’t hear you,’ sounding like a child.

          • Yes… and the proper response is to not react to her as a child.

            Yet that’s mostly what I see there and here. It’s just a bunch of dumb on dumb.

          • Yeah, I dont understand even responding to her. She likes her echo chamber, anything outside of 100% agreement with her is meet with vitriol. Just cut her out period, dont respond, don’t retweet her. She has been proven to be myopic, let her continue because she won’t change.

          • She’ll probably eventually change simply because she’s being antithetical to advocational standards. She’s also going through a process where she needs to learn to not internalize everything outside her own circumstance, thus inviting the stupids to make it personal and do the same on their part.

  4. Thanks for sharing this. I hope everyone including the MLB GMs and scouts read this. Luke definitely deserves a second chance. I feel really sorry for Luke, and hopefully his name will be cleared for good someday.

  5. The SnoreOregonian just printed an article this week about the road rage incident where the man allegedly broke one of the women’s arms and apparently there were witnesses, etc. to the incident. Guess what, turns out the “victims” were lying all along and just trying to swindle $$$ claiming they had been assaulted. Turns out the guy didn’t do what he was accused and was released. Point is…people are falsely accused all of the time. Hell, an ex-friend of my wife had an ax to grind and all Children’s Services Division claiming we were sexually abusing our two boys. They pulled them both out of grade school without my knowledge and we had to prove our innocence. We did that by agreeing to take them to counseling therapy which supported they had never been sexually or physically or emotionally abused….another case of a false allegation where someone (we) had to prove our innocence. The story had a great ending but it’s just another example of innocent people being wrongly accused for whatever reason.

    I think that’s what happened in Luke’s situation and maybe someday the real truth will be told.

      • Don’t be….sometimes life is a shit storm and I’ve had my share of the storms and come out the other side doing fine. However, I do appreciate the thoughts although my point is that innocent people can be alleged to do almost anything and it doesn’t mean they’re guilty but they are forced to prove they are innocent. Personally, I think Luke is innocent but I could be wrong although I hope I’m right. Either way, he’ll come out of this shit storm and be just fine.

  6. After reading some of those canzano tweets, why can’t OSU black-ball that bald midget? I mean set up interviews on his crap radio show and then just dont answer the phone when he calls. Let him drive down to corvallis for sit down interviews then be unavailable when he shows up. Fuck that guy, he is a tabloid journalist at best. And the Oregonian has proven to be home of the ducks territory. Cut. them. out.
    Give interviews to Eggers the boys at the GT and RG, and any of the beaver blogs.

  7. OT, but………………..more from the “are you fucking kidding me?” files. Even the NC FUCKING AA can’t get it right!!!!!

    “OREGON STATE

    These Beavers are on a roll. They’re 5-0 in the NCAA Tournament by a combined score of 49-8. Poor LSU had to stand on the rails when this train was rumbling through. Oregon beat the Tigers twice in the regional, 14-1 and 12-0.”

    Oregon? Fucking seriously? Fucking again? Dipshit you just typed OREGON STATE two sentences above.

    https://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/article/2018-06-12/5-numbers-know-each-team-2018-college-world-series

    • Don’t look too deeply into it. My wife and dad know very well that it is “Oregon State” that we root for even though they say “Oregon” from time to time. I asked my wife and she says she doesn’t even think about because she associates Oregon State as representing Oregon the state and not Oregon the other school — see the difference. I guess that is the power of branding and association in our beaver believer brains.

  8. OT: Gophers playing in Surprise next year. Other B1G school is reported to be Purdue. Their HC is Hortons ex asst. at Oregon. Not surprising, but they took a lot of HBP’s this year. Learned from the master.
    The other interesting tidbit from MN is a reported tournament in Safeco in Seattle with OSU and my Golden Rodents as two of the schools. Another rodent rematch.

    • Where did you hear about that Safeco tourney? That would be awesome! UW stopped playing the Beavs at Safeco once we started to outdraw their fans. Well that and they redid their stadium. :-)

      • The series at Safeco will be the week after the opening series in Surprise. The complications of having a series down there the second week, when MLB spring training starts, is getting too difficult to manage. Probably a Big-10/Pac 12 with UW being the 4th school. Should be fun

        • With all the kids Casey recruits out of Washington, makes sense to be part of it.

          Minn makes sense with Wilson and Frederickson being pnw natives.

          A team like gonzaga makes sense for the fourth team.

          Would be a very cold series but no rain outs.

      • From a Gopher baseball friend that is pretty well connected with the program. No specific date, but he seemed to think it would be in early March.

  9. Besides the point of most of what was written above, I keep going back to this.

    “Top editor Mark Katches cites competitiveness, public safety and the surfacing of a criminal record of a public figure as factors in his decision to run the piece.”

    When he says competitiveness, does he just mean he wanted the Oregonian to be “First!”?

    For public safety, he’s claiming a guy who is months away from having his record sealed permanently and deemed “safe” by the authorities represents a public safety issue?

    For “Surfacing of a criminal record of a public figure”, we all know what that means. TMZ style reporting. A public figure isn’t normally an amateur student athlete. I could understand a politician or celebrity status movie/sports star being considered a public figure. They’re considering Luke a public figure because he was in the middle of a “successful” season of college baseball at the age of 20? Because he had a low ERA?

    All of these reasons for running the story have a degree of bullshit attached and point to the Oregonian deciding to run before fully investigating it because they wanted to be first and destroy the life of someone who was pursuing a successful life as he was fully permitted to do, by law.

    • you can put a fresh coat of paint on a turd and underneath it’s still a turd. In other words, the Oregonian can spin it all they want and I think most reasonable people know why they went with the story…..tabloid news intended to do one thing and one thing only….clickbait emotional outrage.

      I don’t listen to canzano or read his crap anymore and I’m real close to discontinue reading the e version of the Oregonian altogether. OSU shouldn’t give that POS newspaper the time of day….

  10. Seriously, how can Kristine’s written statement get to MLB GM’s. There has to be a GM out there willing to do the right thing. I would release a statement about signing Luke and include Kristine’s points and include the statement that this country is America and not A-media.

    • Once again, the best statement – other than Casey not taking media bait – is from Luke’s pitching coach – paraphrased with correction from Jack – ‘I have coached, am coaching and will coach Luke Heimlich – there will be no future statements. If you have questions, please contact me.’ A MLB organization might want to elaborate a little bit. The moralizing seems fake and if fans stay away in droves for long periods of time, it won’t be because a team has signed Luke Heimlich.

  11. To be fair, he probably felt justified simply because he had the language/facts completely wrong. We’ve already talked about how children form false narratives they believe to be true simply because of the power of suggestion.

    I don’t know why we stop there. This is wholly true with adults as well. If you repeat a lie enough, it eventually becomes reality in many minds. Appeals to emotion and stereotypes lead masses of people in different directions every day. You can probably track them on twitter by simply changing the language of any given situation.

    But the point is that some who approach a story where words and actions have been historically loaded is likely to believe the loaded words themselves, therefore creating and confirming a bias before they begin.

    You see loaded words and stereotypes in reporting all the time. The degree to which Katches, Moran, Dolphin Boy and all who support them get the facts and simple language unapologetically wrong is equivalent to climate change denial.

  12. Hearing “hopeful” regarding the prospects of Luke getting signed by a MLB team.
    Sounds like our theory that they’re waiting for all this to die down is spot on. It will be nice to stick it to Canzano and Tracy.

    • MLB has it partly right; they aren’t talking about juvenile sealed records (with the glaring exception of the Rangers). But for PR reasons they have to let the screechers and lalala’ers to run their courses. I think it was wannabeav who put it astutely to the effect: this is as controversial as Jackie Robinson. I’m perceiving a subtle shift in recent articles by Richmond and Gress that there is tacit support for restraint and privacy wrt the Heimlich family.

  13. The standing ovation and curtain call plus teammate tweets send a strong message. Did Brenda comment on those? I’ve only been once to the sanctimonious BT website and don’t want to dignify her lalala approach with any notice.

          • Yes, he’s gone. 20 minute trip to look at bears and mountain goats. A flight he has done a thousand times.

            My brother (also a pilot) went to the site yesterday..this is what he told me:

            Looks like he was flying with a 20 knot tailwind, turned to look at a bear (he went down where they frequently see them). The turn put the wind on his nose so it increased his air speed/decreased his land speed…easy turn with little chance of stall. when he turned back his air speed dropped significantly with the 40 knot change in wind (headwind to tail wind), and went into a stall. Didn’t have the altitude to pull out of it. Usually flies the valley at 150-200′.

            What’s baffling is why. He flies every single day. Might have just been too comfortable. My brother and his daughter had made the flight with him earlier in the day.

            He was one of a kind, and we’re devastated. I’ve known him for 20 years…our family has a lot of history with him.

          • Yes, the same guy. Actually got lifted from the beach just after he finally made it there. Spent the whole night in the ocean. That was a rough night…the articles don’t even really explain what he went through…he was pretty evasive in his comments to press. Didn’t want it to be about him. It gave me a chance to realize I hadn’t really ever expressed how I felt about him…so when he got out of the hospital (he was in kidney failure from the exertion), I was able to have the conversation with him. I’m glad I did.

          • ” …I hadn’t really ever expressed how I felt about him…I was able to have the conversation with him. I’m glad I did.”

            Sorry for your loss. While it may not be of much comfort right now, your statement above has certainly served as a reminder to many here of the importance of communicating feelings which often go unsaid. Thank you for speaking up.

          • OOB – thank you. That first brush with death was such a wake-up call. I was devastated to know I’d go to a funeral and say things that he should have heard.

            Writing and talking about it is cathartic. I posted a long tribute on my FB page, including the importance of letting people know what impact they’ve had on your life. And it definitely helps with the grieving process.

    • I think about a guy like Calvin Tyler who got used just a few times in kick off return situations, burning his redshirt. Then getting injured, but likely not able to use the medical hardship since it happened in the final game.
      This rule would help prevent a guy like him from getting screwed over by a coach like GA.

      • He’ll get a hardship without a problem.

        But I’m surprised they’re allowing post-season play as a part of the deal. Coaches can coach up players all season long and throw them out there on rivalry week with potentially three games to follow that. It looks like the rich get richer here.

    • They needed to do this a long time ago! How can you play the first 1/4 of a season, get injured, and earn a medical redshirt/hardship, but if a redshirt player plays within the season just 1 minute, he burns his redshirt year. The ability to play 4 games in a redshirt year aligns itself with the medical redshirt rule. It’s similar in HS where a player can play 5 quarters in a given week. A coach can add depth to his team by having a JV player play 2 quarters of JV and then 3 at the varsity level. I never understood why my varsity coach never really utilized this more for players like me that weren’t exactly “starter material” but needed to learn the game and get up to game speed. Over time, the game slowed way down for me by the end of my Jr. year of HS. It felt like I was playing Freshman again as a Jr. By my Senior year, I was playing at the level of competition. Drawing from my own playing experience, as little as it was, allows me to understand the importance of playing limited time games.

  14. As it should turn out, just yesterday, Division II of the Court of Appeals for the State of Washington, in a case denominated as Barr vs. Snohomish County [Everett] Sherriff, published an opinion underscoring and completely affirming the principles of juvenile adjudication, which doctrine Martin Meyer has tried to explain to readers of this blog and elsewhere. Case No. 50623-8-II.

    The underlying case involved a juvenile offender who applied for a concealed pistol license. The sherriff, doing the appropriate background check, uncovered a title reference to Barr’s juvenile record in the state patrol data base and denied him the permit.

    Quoting from the court opinion: “Barr petitioned the superior court for a writ of mandamus to compel the sherriff to issue him a CPL, and the superior court denied his petition. Because under the the juvenile sealing statute sealed adjudications are to be ‘treated as if they never occurred,’ Barr is not prohibited from obtaining a CPL and the superior court erroneously denied Barr’s writ of mandamus. We, therefore, reverse and remand with instructions to the superior court to issue the write. We also grant Barr’s request for attorney fees.” (p. 1)

    I have excerpted other key sections of the court’s opinion:

    “The legislature further explained that the mechanism for sealing juvenile records existed so that juveniles can overcome prejudice and reintegrate into society.” (p. 3)

    “The juvenile court issued two sealing orders under R. C. W. 13.50.260. These orders mandated the sealing of Barr’s entire juvenile record, including his two class A felony adjudications. The sealing orders stated that Barr’s juvenile proceeding were to be treated as if they never occurred and also stated that Barr could reply to any inquiring about the juvenile proceedings by stating that they never occurred.” (p. 11)

    “Because of this valid sealing, Barr’s juvenile proceedings are treated as if they ‘never occurred,’ and Barr is therefore entitled to ‘act and be treated as if he has not previously been convicted.'” (p. 11)

    ” . . . despite its numerous amendments [to the juvenile justice act], the legislature has never altered the provision stating that sealed adjudications are ‘treated as if they never occurred.'” ( p. 13)

    Another division of the court of appeals in an allied case ” . . . held that determining whether sealing the record was akin to a pardon or other equivalent procedure was ‘putting the cart before the horse,’ because the plain language of the juvenile record sealing statute entitled Nelson to be treated as if he had not previously been convicted, there was no conviction to be examined under RCW 9.41.040.”

    “Accordingly, we reverse and remand the superior court’s order denying Barr’s writ of mandamus. We remand with instructions to issue Barr’s writ of mandamus, requiring the Sherriff to issue Barr a CPL.”

    • It seems pretty straightforward. If the sheriff’s only reason for denying the CPL is some ghost link/title the state missed somewhere, then it’s a tainted source that should be deemed a breach by the state or law enforcement.

      I wonder how this would play out if the plaintiff had moved to another state and they found the ghost link/title.

  15. Yeah, but this person only wants to carry a concealed pistol. Luke Heimlich wants to play baseball, which is apparently waaaaayyyyy more dangerous to the public. Hence, the outrage.

    • Imagine if it was something as despicable as voting. Oh! the outrages to be had…

      “On the surface of it, it sounds like an okay thing to do,” the source said. “But then you start participating, and the data is not useful.”

      https://gizmodo.com/eighth-state-quietly-quit-free-anti-voter-fraud-program-1822514538

      This is the “straightforward” way in which it’s presented.
      http://www.ncsl.org/Portals/1/Documents/Elections/Kansas_VR_Crosscheck_Program.pdf

      It’s a lie. It only matches first and last names. And it matches them to felons as well as the obvious waste of money it is. And that’s coming from the view that it’s free.

      I wonder who pays for this free lunch.

      • I have been told I am partially wrong on this.

        The reason felons are in this database is not because they are felons. Rather, it’s because they were registered to vote but did not respond to verification in two successive voting cycles (four years).

        Or they were in Indiana, which apparently doesn’t care about civil rights at all… unless it’s a free flow of guns for Chicago residents. They have a right to those guns without people asking them for any of that information stuff. I wonder if cost can be considered an infringement.

        Anyway, it’s probably good that Florida didn’t participate in this fraud. Their felon disenfranchisement system is as bad as this–matching only first and last names in order to scrub voter rolls.

        And don’t buy the story that they try to make even a three point match by using birth dates. They don’t. Statistical studies of this system have found some interesting things. One studied Iowa (an original participant in this fraud) in 2010 and 2012. In those two cycles, Iowa was provided with 240k names of potentially double-registered voters. Of those 240k matches, six were correct.

        If you’re not a stats kind of person, then consider this. The Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program scrubbed 7.2 million people off voter rolls in the states that participated in it in 2016. Some states didn’t use the tool for that reason. That means an even smaller number of states are responsible for removing those 7.2 million people. Never mind that the stats say there are likely only about 180 people in that list of 7.2m that are correctly identified. You are being asked to believe that many people have the same first, middle and last names plus a shared birth date (the system purposely tells participants to ignore SSNs… why they even bother to include it in their presentation is probably a question you ask a huckster).

        But., you say, they send people cards to confirm that they aren’t the person who is ineligible… if they care about voting, they should just respond.

        In some states, this is true. However, they won’t deliver to PO Boxes or equivalents. And in the states where this isn’t true? Most simply call the registrant. If there’s no answer, the person is scrubbed off the rolls. If there’s no number to call, the person is simply scrubbed off the rolls.

        Welcome to your right to vote, suckers. If it’s not your problem now, it’s not anyone’s problem when it happens to you.

  16. Media starting to side with Luke.

    “As for MLB and Heimlich, the details are out there. He was 15, she was 6, he admitted guilt in a statement, it was awful, and now he has said it didn’t happen, that it was a plea to avoid trial and possible jail.

    I’m more swayed by the guilty plea. What’s certain is that it was a juvenile crime. Researchers say the chances of recurrence after five-plus years of counseling and normalcy are minuscule. By all account, Heimlich’s been very normal, other than when on the mound.

    The zaniest thing I’ve heard is that, if Heimlich is allowed to pitch in professional baseball, it would help to normalize child sex abuse.

    Really? Making 25-30 starts a summer for 10-12 years, and every couple of pitches there’s someone in the stands saying to a companion, “That’s that Heimlich, the guy that molested his niece,’’ would be normalization?

    Scott Price did an excellent piece on Heimlich in Sports Illustrated last month. An unnamed Division I coach gave Price the quote that duplicates my thoughts:

    “What’s the kid supposed to do now? Kill himself? I have a lot of professional baseball friends who swear they aren’t going to touch him … What’s he supposed to do?’’

    Blacklisting Heimlich isn’t a moral stand by MLB and 30 baseball organizations; it’s economic. They are afraid of the noise — just as Commissioner Roger Goodell and 32 NFL teams cowered in financial fear when the noisiest man in America, Donald John Trump, found a few silent anthem protests as an issue to make hay.

    Two leagues. Sixty-two teams. Cowards.”

    Full article: http://www.startribune.com/nfl-and-mlb-have-62-teams-combined-and-they-are-all-cowards/485387961/

    • Heimlich pitching in the majors might normalize juvenile rehabilitation, and then we’re no better than, no better than…

    • Fat Pat, as we affectionately refer to him in the Twin Cities, is dry drunk, so he might be more conducive to giving people second chances. He used to be a great writer, but the past few years has turned into a guy more interested in throwing out crap to drive traffic for his radio show.

  17. Another article:

    “This is endlessly complicated. Heimlich pleaded guilty, but he has publicly and consistently said he did nothing wrong. He told Sports Illustrated he took the plea deal to avoid a trial and possible jail time, that it was the best thing for his family. And to be sure, it is not unusual for innocent people to plead guilty. Still, the plea matters. Legally, he is guilty.

    We can have a debate about whether these crimes are punished justly. Compare domestic violence or child molestation to many nonviolent drug offenses, for example, and it’s hard to see the balance.

    But this is the legal system we have. Heimlich should be disqualified from consideration for many jobs. Teacher. Day care. But why should he be disqualified from baseball? To make ourselves feel better?

    Legally, he’s free to make a living. Based on projections and draft-pick value, Heimlich lost well into seven figures by not getting drafted where his abilities with a baseball alone would suggest he should.

    This doesn’t mean he’s worthy of sympathy.

    But a chance?”

    Full article: https://www.myajc.com/sports/tyreek-hill-shamed-baseball-prospect-luke-heimlich-and-second-chances/5s3PX58kkOppJpR7ZZw2fP/

  18. On another Heimlich note:

    Today, Heimlich was named national pitcher of the year by the College Baseball Foundation. Heimlich is the first pitcher in school history to earn the honor, following in the footsteps of 2017 recipient Steven Gingery (Texas Tech).

  19. I hope a MLB team signs Heimlich, but I feel like the anti-Heimlich mob and their hysteria may have won this battle. I think it would take something extreme like Heimlich’s parents coming out and saying that their grand-daughter was coached to make up the story. That this all started because of a vindictive ex daughter-in-law. Even if that’s the case, I don’t think that’s going to happen, so the situation is stuck where it is.

  20. Holy shit Kendall Rodgers is a douchbag. No madrigal or luke on d1baseballs all American team.
    And is this comment from someone here? If so nicely done.

    ” The national coverage, MLB draft and D1Baseballs decision to leave Heimlich off of your All America team will have an undesired effect – It will force parents of children who commit sexual crimes as juveniles to hide this at all cost. They will lie, run and do anything to protect their child, guilty or not, from the public scrutiny Luke has faced in the last two years. You have encouraged silence over substance. You have done a dis-service to our communities by making it harder to catch the truly criminal and predatory attackers of children. The discussion on sexual violence should never be silenced.”

  21. Along with Fox 12 morning news, when ever they mention the beavs, Luke’s story is brought up even though his records are sealed, also sports reporter Nick Krupke completely gets the story wrong.

    We should start a go fund me account and just pay the sister in law off, I mean how much cash would it really take for her to tell the truth.

  22. D1 Baseball snubbed both Madrigal and Heimlich on their all america teams. For Madrigal they said it was because he missed part of the year. They didn’t mention Heimlich’s name in their write up at all.

    Some stats based on Heimlich and Madrigal:

    Heimlich has started 10 games this year when Madrigal has been healthy.

    The Beavs are 10-0 in those games and they have outscored opponents 80-14.

    Against the best teams Luke faced with Nick on the field this year, the Beavs beat the RPI #5, #12, #22, and and #28 teams by a combined score of 30-4.

    The D1 baseball podcast discussion mentioned Luke only by saying they think he’ll be facing a lot of heckling on Saturday, and they think North Carolina has a good shot to win.

    North Carolina is 10-5 in series openers this year.

    • I doubt any heckling will come close the social media shit storm he’s had to have seen over the course of this past year/season. Luke will be fine…he must have a constitution of steel.

      • Coming from Fake Class University, that would be rich. I wonder if their players have finished their fake finals? They should have gotten the death penalty from the NCAA, but are to big a brand for that gutless body to ever do that.

    • Did anybody here go to any road games this year when Luke was pitching? Was there any heckling?
      It wasn’t ever reported as happening, but I suppose it’s something that doesn’t typically make the post game report. I never heard of it happening throughout the season, so not sure there would be a sudden shift in fan behavior at Omaha.

  23. OT: We’re #112. Orlando Sentinel write up. They do a pretty good job generally.
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college-football-rankings/os-sp-college-football-rankings-oregon-state-0507-story.html
    Outlook: The Oregon State program has been on a steady decline since 2012 when the Beavers won nine games. In the five ensuing seasons, the program has a Pac-12-worst 19 wins. Smith’s arrival has injected some much-needed optimism into the fan base. It will take some time for that translate into wins as the staff continues to work to build depth at key positions.

    • If you look at 2012 as an outlier, there’s decline from 2009. That’s like saying Colorado has been in decline since the 2016 season.

    • I’m not sure I’m on board with chanting “we’re #112”, but I like all the one’s and two’s in that number. It’s better than something drab like #139!

      I was skimming through Athlon’s College Football mag and I don’t think I saw a single Beav listed in the all conference teams or even in the honorable mentions. Nowhere to go but up as the cliche goes.

  24. Twitter is toxic. I look at it daily but it makes me feel like shit every time. It is overflowing with narcissism where alternative views are received as though someone slapped their mother.

    I bring this up because there are a few anonymous beaver fan twitter accounts attempting to rub Luke Heimlich’s pitcher of the year selection in the face of Brenda Tracy and John Canzano. They are comments on Angry’s tweets, and they are embarrassing our fan base.

    I don’t like how Brenda Tracy and John Canzano are behaving either, but it really is not doing any good having these twitter accounts call BT out publicly in this manner. It will simply reinforce her views and her behavior, and it will further rile up her supporters.

    Stop embarrassing Oregon State with that shit. I still think Heimlich will get his shot after the season is over and people stop paying attention. When JC & BT continue to make noise about it then people should hit back at them with facts and not personal insults. I think Canzono has argued that MLB agrees with him and they have spoken by not drafting him. Well, if he gets picked up we can argue right back that the MLB agrees with us and they have spoken by adding him to their franchise.

    • I treat Tracy as off limits, but will continue to take Dolphin club related jabs at Canzano. My hate for him is much deeper than just the Luke story. Goes back at least a decade.

      • Fair enough. He is very much a hypocrite and has a history of questionable ethics. He thrives on controversy and virtue signaling, and has been unfair with both Oregon and Oregon State.

        Carry on with the online harassment of Canzano.

        • I’m not sure why people are adhering to this new terminology, virtue signalling.

          All talk radio and opinion pieces are virtue signalling–all of it. It’s ubiquitous. It’s like calling someone a SJW. What you’re doing is saying, “You’re not right. I am. So you can stop expressing your opinion, because mine is better than yours. Look at e, not you.”

          And it’s a lousy term trying to describe something that already has a term describing it.

          But using a lazy, hypocritical and redundant term does kinda say that you don’t think deeply enough to even know that it’s lazy, hypocritical and redundant.

          • I’ve had people try to explain it to me as if it were something economics came up with. Simply asking that person, “How do you determine your signalling equilibrium?” almost always gets a derp look (the two who didn’t just said they don’t or that it’ a gut feeling). So apparently the equilibrium is a fixed, single dimension. What self-respecting economist isn’t going to use at least two variables and a graph?

            If you’re interested in the philosophical stance, not the contrived stupidity of the meme, try looking up master and slave morality.

          • “You’re not right. I am. So you can stop expressing your opinion, because mine is better than yours. Look at me, not you.”

            I find this extremely hilarious coming from you since you self described almost ALL of your posts.

          • I don’t think you understand what the term means.

            I know exactly what the term means. It’s a bullshit pejorative made up by some Brit numbskull in 2014 to explain conversations to which he had no answer but was perturbed. It’s a shallow and stupid way for someone to virtue signal their end to a conversation.

            I find this extremely hilarious….

            You don’t find anything hilarious. You’re a small-minded boor who hates everything about everyone who can carry water for anything productive. Hate away. It’s what you do.

          • The reason it sounds highly stupid is because of two things. It was created four years ago… almost. And signalling is an honest and credible source of information, makimg the notation of such an affirmation, not a pejorative.

            Oh… and saying someone is virtue signalling is virtue signalling in and of itself.

            Three things! It sounds highly stupid because of three things.

            Four things! Wait… five… no… six or seven things… maybe more.

            It’s just dumb.

            But we don’t have any clue how improper language forms a conversation that can be so wrong at its roots that it hardly resembles a conversation. We’re just morons who learn nothing except tribalism.

  25. Just read through the comments for the d1baseball all Americans. Some beaver fans are pretty butt hurt. Why does it mean so much to have guys on the d1 baseball AA list. The NCAA recognizes three lists in their official records. D1baseball isn’t one of them. Let it go…

    • Good advice, “Let it go…”

      For further indication of D1’s lack of objectivity when it comes to OSU (and, probably the PAC12), there is this from the GT story on Cadyn Grenier’s selection as the 2018 Brooks Wallace Award winner (a first for the entire PAC12):

      “Grenier was voted Pac-12 defensive player of the year last month and was also named first-team all-conference. He was recognized by Baseball America as a second-team All-American and by D1Baseball.com as a third-teamer. “

      Third teamer? c’mon.

  26. Beav fans can’t let the actual issue go – wonder if it’s best though to quit the comments. Just like the media, we probably don’t have anything new to say.

  27. Hey NiceBeaver, that QB offered was the guy we commented on earlier this week. Do you know anything about him? I couldn’t even find what school he plays at.

    • Sorry, work was busy yesterday. Which QB are you trying to look up?
      Based on the timing of your post, I’m guessing Nathan Lamb.
      I’m not remembering any comments about Lamb from earlier in the week though, but I could have missed it. He wasn’t a guy who I was expecting to be the next offer to go out after losing out on Piferi, but his resume/offer list is slightly better than Eget, so I guess it makes sense.

      https://247sports.com/Player/Nathan-Lamb-46043106

  28. I am going to link this even though I shouldn’t because we don’t want to give oregonlive clicks but this is a very important article and one that people who think LH shouldn’t be able to do anything because his plea agreement means his guilty. This guy lost 20 years of his life fighting it.

    “In 1999, Holbrook was 32 when police arrested him after a 10-year-old girl reported that he had brushed up against her vaginal area and buttocks while she was clothed in her Yamhill County home. There were no witnesses — and it was the girl’s account versus his.”

    https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2018/06/nightmare_of_ex-lawyer_branded.html

    Mic drop bitches

    • Wow. The hysteria and horrendous judgment surrounding these types of issues is beyond absurd. Whatever happened to common sense and, you know, requiring actual evidence before legally wrecking a life? “___ said something happened” is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Accusations should be treated seriously but not automatically taken as gospel truth.

      • Have you heard of this new thing called the “Me too movement”? People’s lives are completely ruined from someone making a public accusation. No proof needed. The public will crucify you just because you’re on the wrong end of the accusation. It’s actually pretty scary.

      • Not all cases require guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, that’s usually only for capital and capital-adjacent cases. Some require a preponderance of evidence, meaning the prosecutor can’t just rely on uncorroborated testimony and/or circumstantial evidence in order to secure a conviction.

        Most criminal cases only require a preponderance of guilt. This is one. So the mandate is that the court believes the victim or officer 100% unless the defense can prove logistical issues with said testimony/reports. And even then, a statement/report that can be proven 75% false doesn’t negate the 25% that might also be untrue but can’t be negated by the defense.

        But… if you want to disrespect the flag like this, you just go ahead and do that.

          • A preponderance of evidence is required in civil cases.

            The word of a victim or officer is enough to jail most people. I think the courts call it convincing evidence. But it’s just a preponderance of guilt… unless I have the preponderance part wrong… which I probably do. Now that I think about it, the 25% example doesn’t follow with the use of the word preponderance.

            But most cases are plead out due to guilt by uncorroborated evidence by a victim, law enforcement or an accomplice that can’t be negated by the defense.

        • Don’t question Jack. He is a self-licensed lawyer, doctor, expert in politics, and just about every subject that he is able to google in an attempt to prove you wrong.

          • Wrong about what?

            And do question. I would love it if people actually did that.

            Alas, they/you don’t. They/you just curl up into little balls of self-hatred and stupidity, lashing out with weak humor borne of the confusion and hurt their/your shallow existences.

          • Think to yourself… or go look on this blog.

            How many questions have you asked of anyone?

            You’re a hate-the-player type. You don’t have to ask questions.

          • So I did finally use the google. The standard I was thinking of is called some credible evidence. Convincing evidence is a higher standard than a preponderance of evidence.

          • It’s unlike you to prove that you’ve listened to or read anything.

            I suppose that doesn’t preclude your saying that you do so.

          • I do find it funny that the concept of law I was trying to correctly convey from a faulty memory was pegged as something I googled.

            You people just aren’t that bright.

          • This reminds me of that time you called sexual assault survivors pieces of shit… then denied it… then explicitly reinforced the idea by typing it into written record… then denied it again.

            Good times.

          • Oh, fuck no.

            Why would you ever think I have people skills? I’m clearly playing with the stupids.

            If you think this is people skills, it’s understandable. But it’s not like I’m a public official using my power to create a narrative of bias based on lies in the public consciousness. It’s just me playing with the stupids on a sports blog.

          • Jack, it was more for the line of “What the Hell is wrong with you people?!”

            “You people just aren’t that bright.” – Jack the instigator on a sports blog

  29. I should mention that I went to the autograph session for the Beavs this morning, and I missed the cutoff by 1 minute of wait time, but as I was walking along the signing table, a dad with two girls about 10 or so, stopped in front of Luke Heimlich and the girls turned to their dad and the dad snapped a photo with luke and his girls. This just shows that there is support for Luke out there. It sent a powerful message to me with having a little girl of my own. Luke just smiled and was polite as could be. I also gave him a, “Good Luck tomorrow Luke!” as there was a lull in the signings. It was more of a, good luck in the game, and with the fans.

  30. I don’t necessarily disagree with Dominic (I’m a Lions NFL fan), but I’m not sure what guys he is referring to as “knowing what championship football is like”. Riley and his gang of buffoons may have put the nail in the coffin, but NU football has been irrelevant long before Bikester peddled in to Lincoln. Husker fans just don’t seem to know it.

    And Dominic himself sure the hell doesn’t know what NFL championship football is like!

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