We’ve seen this script many times before. The annual glimmer of hope game, Colorado last year, UCLA this year followed by the return to reality Utah, Oregon last year. This is not a great Cal just adequate, but they are more complete than the Beavs. I’ll go with low scoring 24-14 loss.
I don’t want to get involved with the Luton is a retard or no debate other than to say that our o-line seems to be having some serious issues right now. Holy crap we are getting destroyed at the point if attack.
Gotta leave so I won’t be seeing the rest of the game, but that was a really good scoring drive. Getting AP some catches out of the backfield is going to be huge for beating Cal, and it looks like we’re trying to make that happen.
just a lazy throw. no other excuse for it. no touch on the short passes. like the INT last week; all he had to do was loft it but he fired it to the sideline, it was tipped, picked, returned for a TD
Frustrating they couldn’t do anything more than a 3 and out on that drive after capturing some momentum with their previous drive and the defense holding Cal on their drive.
Perfect opportunity to put some distance between us and Cal and Luton throws it away 3 straight times.
Wasted opportunity
Not a bad first half. Smith made good adjustments on offense after the first two awful series. Cal’s oline is pretty bad. Making Beav’s dline look really good.
Halftime adjustments –
On offense – smash mouth football, dink and dunk down the field. Use short swing passes to complement the run game.
On defense – keep playing fast. Keep modster in the pocket. Stay in rush lanes and collapse the pocket. Don’t let him run. Make him win the game with his arm.
Offense: Luton is switching between dazed and confused and making good quick reads. Ball is being spread out more, possibly by play design with different 1/2 reads. AP looks great again and BJ has some nice runs. Kipper still hitting his quota.
Defense: Looks dominate. I have seen angry throwing bend but don’t break out there and I really agree now. Safties are playing back and keeping it in front of them (morris looks good too). More creative blitzing, Doug’s sack was poetry of a delayed lb blitz. Elu is a force today, sharp is having the game of his life and everything is cleaner with Roberts back. Overall we are man handling a bad offense which is really great to see. Modster is the most uncomfortable I have seen an opposing qb in 5+ years. Shout out to Grant (#3) for playing some pretty disciplined defense, his screen read really caught my eye.
I think onu was playing SS. Grant looks like nickle this game. Also seeing Dunn and Morris back at safety. Those three look really good on the field together so far. Seem to be an upgrade on closing speed.
Highlight from Oklahoma’s game where the OU cheerleading team thought it would be a good idea to have live animals pulling a rickety covered wagon around the field, with cheerleaders riding in the wagon.
Animals make a sharp turn. Wagon can’t make the turn as the wheels get stuck in the turf. Wagon and cheerleaders sent tumbling across the turf. Fortunately no people or animals were injured.
All the ref saw was Moore’s hand extended. O think Smith might have said a word that wasn’t wilikers. Needs to talk to Riley about ref friendly cursing, golly.
okay. Cal within one TD. Ugly defensive series there. The game hangs in the balance with this next possession. If the Beavs move the ball and score, I predict they will win. If they don’t, a loss is virtually certain.
Penalties.
Cal scoring drive actually started with the penalty on Noah which killed Beavs drive, then penalties on the D side finished the sad job. Need a drive now for sure.
Not sure if 4 penalties of help and a shitty qb scramble that ended in a fumble recovery by a receiver qualifies as dominant offense. You might be right but we have 20 minutes of clock…alot of time to hanger a single drive on.
I blame myself for saying the Beavs are daring Modster to throw, despite our thin secondary. Dunn has had a pretty bad day, giving up big plays or extending drives with penalties.
Beavs D will show signs of being gassed because the there’s no offensive continuity for OSU. Then people will blame the D for giving up a lead in the second half.
that’s the key thing, Angry. Too many coaches, and fans for that matter, view a QB change up as a “football earthquake”; disruptive, QB controversy, locker room splits, etc. Actually, it’s simply an in-game adjustment when done well. Smith hasn’t grasped that yet
Luton is throwing the ball too high and hanging his WR/TE’s out to dry and getting lit up on those passes. Time to get Luton out. He’s rattled and won’t recover; it’s been that way all season long.
Off the let Luton play. Absolutely atrocious. Very poor coaching allowing him to keep playing. At the very least he is having a bad day. If he doesn’t pull Irish as well I will be pretty out off.
It just is so frustrating to watch Luton suck so bad and probably cost us this game.
He doesn’t have what it takes to be a qb at this level. Angry called it and Luton is proving him right.
Why oh why can’t the coaching staff see it.
Yep. “Screw the poseur leader.”
But remember: The Beav’s D is notorious for failure on final drives. They didn’t lose this game either way…more pressure and stops behind the line since probably the ’06 D.
Everyone saw Luton. He was barely a “game manager” or backup today. The victory goes to the D. They were behind the line all day. RBs did a nice job, too.
Offensive MVPs: AP/Baylor and run blocking. Hell the line even pass blocked well Luton just needs 10 seconds to throw it out of bounds if his #1 isn’t open.
Defensive MVPs: Riley Sharp was out of his mind, Avery Roberts made a huge impact, Elu was in the mix all day, Grant making his case after a bad injury last year (or was it spring?). Lots of good to pick from there! D won that game hands down.
Shout out to Weaver: he might be the highest motor player I have ever seen. He should be making big bucks soon.
For sure, I left him out because he had a typical game (guys awesome) and the rest all played better than normal. Can’t really have 5 defensive mvvps or I would lose all credibility!!
*Roberts 100% lives up to his star rating, dude is a beast.
*Really wish Gumbs didn’t go down.
*Sharp may be another example of a gamer. Watching him play tonight you have to wonder why he hasn’t been seeing the field. Another guy that doesn’t look special on paper but kills it on the field.
I had Sharp high in the recruiting ratings. He was an excellent looking TE before going on mission. It’s not a surprise he’s doing well. Slight surprise it took him this long to get on the field, but not really given Smith’s track record.
Sharps been in a bit but I think this game he was in for McCarran. He seems like a guy that has the size and intensity that allows for ‘viokemt’ play. I could see other players being more effective in practice but he has a gameday motor that I really like. Gumbs def hurts, he was very disruptive against okstate
Keys to victory: a bend but don’t break D that didn’t break very often (admittedly against a limited offense) and those three THIRD down runs on the last drive.
I also noticed that Tibesar was out on the sideline today. I believe he was in the booth in the past. Perhaps it helps the D with him out there with them.
I did see him on sideline once this game, not sure if he was there full time. Orthodox approach, as I believe Bill recently pointed out, is for Coordinator to get the big picture from the booth. Sometimes a changeup is smart (lookin’ at you, JS).
Would like to say that Smith is making coaching mistakes and being stubborn in keeping with
Luton but it also says a lot that he got this team to bounce back after the melt down last week.
This team could have folded.
Someone needs to paint the field and Reser purple and gold so that the Beavers play their best against Washington. I have no idea why we’re better away than home, but I’ll take it.
I’ll take road wins to start this turn around over all home game wins. 3 more wins to get to a bowl game with 5 games left to play. WAZZU, Arizona State, and Arizona are our biggest chances to get to a bowl game this year. 2/3 of those are on the road. So it’s possible if this trend keeps going! I’m riding the road win victory train!
Would like to say that Smith is making coaching mistakes and being stubborn in keeping with
Luton but it also says a lot that he got this team to bounce back after the melt down last week.
This team could have folded. But i so wish they would go with Gebbia
Refreshing on chrome mobile is annoying. Have to reload the page via link each time. I might just be dumb though, don’t know if there’s anything you could do. Otherwise all good!
I literally copy and paste the link and put it back in the search bar to refresh. Again probably mobile chrome not your layout. Maybe a link at the bottom that reloads to the comments? I also just got the angry beav link in the footer notes then navigate back.
I haven’t watched much ducks this year. I know their defense looks good but offense is sketchy. What matchup do you see with us that gives us a chance? Is it reliant on Gebbia starting?!?
Subject to change as I watch more of these teams, but that’s my feeling now. Ducks D is fast but not good. Their offense has picked up. Beavs could exploit them with a power run game. Would require a smart game plan that controls the clock. I’m not sure Luton is efficient enough in the short passing game to do what we need. That Herbert isn’t especially mobile factors in and helps. Disagree with the people saying Beavs get annihilated by the Ducks. Expect something like 42-31 that game, and if things go the Beavs way with turnovers they can win. I think Washington annihilates us. That’s an awful matchup. Could be Utah 2.0.
How do these perennial programs always come back from terrible seasons, coaches or circumstances? I’d say follow the donor money. Even the Quacks somehow are back after the Helrich shit show. How? How does Alabama always come back? Penn State? Oklahoma? Big money won’t let them fail.
All this Luton hate is ridiculous! So many of his throw-aways were under extreme and immediately pressure with good coverage down the field. His throw-aways are a HUGE area of improvement for him this year as last year he was taking big sacks left and right in these situations/or throwing picks. He has finally learned to live for another down. I actually have a working magic crystal ball that can show me alternate paths of reality, and out of curiosity I took a peak at what would have happened if Gebbia would have played the whole game. He completed a few more passes than Luton, but ended up throwing three picks under duress when he should have thrown it away, and we lost 31-28.. . .be careful what you wish for!
Hate is a pretty strong word. Seems to me, absent a few emotional reactions, most here simply long for some mobility at QB and a little quicker decision making and consistency.
It’s been repeatedly recognized that Gebbia would undergo a learning curve; that’s gonna happen either this year or next (if his status doesn’t change). Glaring opportunities to get some of that learning out of the way have occurred over the season to date.
Can anyone seriously contend that, even with a poor O-line performance, Gebbia would take the same 6-15 yd sacks that Luton has? Mobility.
Not so sure, OOB (I’m probably an older OB). I take your points, but some of the comments I’ve read (no, I didn’t make notes) struck me as a bit over the top. Is it possible that the players (not as wise as us) believe in him and he’s the Alpha they want to follow? Could it be that JS recognizes that? Just a possibility.
A possibility indeed.
While it’s a part of being a fan, evaluating things like moxie and leadership from where we sit certainly is no exact science. Still, is it that far off the mark to evaluate based on the lack of mobility, inconsistency, and demonstrated body language which we DO see?
And even if those young ‘uns want to follow Luton, would it have been a detriment to have given Gebbia a few of the quarters when Luton was particularly ineffective?
Here is another possibility for you, maybe wannabeav (he’s old too) is correct when he says: “Too many coaches, and fans for that matter, view a QB change up as a “football earthquake”; disruptive, QB controversy, locker room splits, etc. Actually, it’s simply an in-game adjustment when done well. Smith hasn’t grasped that yet.”
Thanks for your response — and good thoughtful points. I guess I just hate to see us bench warmers being too hard on the kids that are out there trying their best. I guess I’ve become more of a softie since the great grandkids started coming. Also we may not always be reading their body language correctly. Sometime body language, head shaking, etc. have to do with someone who is being really critical of himself, not others. I do agree, it would be good to see Gebbia get some time. On another topic, my qualifications for OB status would go back to my undergraduate days in the late 50’s watching Francis throwing and Bates defending from the (then) bleachers.
I can think of a handful of plays where Gebbia’s mobility would have gotten him to the line of scrimmage instead of a 7 yard loss. 2nd and 9-10 you can still have most of the play book open for a very reachable first down. 2nd and 17, predictability makes the offense 1-dimensional, especially with a sloth-like QB as is Luton. I don’t mind Luton inside the opponents 30 yard line, OSU is first in the league in scoring inside the red zone—gotta give home some credit for that. However, the coaches need to get better at recognizing when he’s clearly lost his mojo, and get Gebbia in there to kickstart the fucking offense.
Don’t listen to angry, original assumptions when you set up the CBS pool were clear…….PAC12 primarily. Besides, he’s doing pretty well as things stand!
I was thinking about how the defense played today. Tibs schemed very well and the players executed. Now I imagine when the defense has more talent. How fast they could play. A sign of a good defense is guys flying to the ball. Lots of gang tackling. Today was a glimpse of what the defense could become.
I cut the cord and lost PAC-12 Network so could only listen to the second half via tune-in on phone. Love Parker and whoever the other guy is. At one point the other guy was stating Luton’s expressions weren’t good and talked about poor attitude during that portion of the game. Which was my point with Luton days ago here that he is either hot or cold, hero or zero, man or boy. But glad he pulled his head together and Brave won.
The “other guy” is BIG JIM Wilson, OSU Hall of Famer. Former FB lineman and power hitter for Beavs Baseball. As far as I know, he is still teaching public High School in Vancouver.
He seems to be a straight shooter and knows what he is talking about. It’s a tossup as to whether he is better at FB or Baseball. I especially enjoy his gentlemanly manner of trying to educate Jon Warren during Spring Baseball games.
Beavs baseball picked up another new commit today.
2021, Jacob Kmatz. Good to see Canham making some progress on the recruiting trail. Feels like this team will have a 1 or 2 year lull before they’ll have a shot at being a competitive Pac12 team again.
Pac 12 Network was showing a replay of the 2016 Cal game. What do I see? Onu-Hicks blind-siding a defenseless punter downfield and getting a 15-yard penalty. He must have been on special teams back then. Good riddance!
Without seeing the game, and only listening to the second half, it seems like:
Luton is still woefully inconsistent, can’t put two halves together against a DI defense. This team could very easily be 5-2 right now. I know that argument is old to some, but damn….5-2…that builds confidence, puts more people in Reser seats, helps recruiting….
There’s progress. Even against bad CAL back up QBs, 9 sacks (#9 on the last play of the game) and 13(?) TFLs means there’s consistent effort through the game, and individuals making plays. How long has it been since OSU put up those kinds of numbers in a league game? Land those JC defensive lineman, get 3 CBs, this becomes a D that can hold its own. Hope Hamilcar has another year of eligibility.
I was thinking they’d lose a winnable game – “This team doesn’t know how to win. There’s too many players too used to losing, and for those that want to win, when there’s adversity, they’re not resilient.” Then Pierce and Baylor showed otherwise.
Those Pierce and Baylor runs to sustain drives and take the lead were great to hear; nice calls, great running by those two. Morale and confidence builders. I can’t recall in their modern history Beavs having 3 RBs this good. Its so refreshing to see that kind of depth and execution from each.
On your RB point. The best threesome (lol) of my lifetime (30 yrs) is Ken Simonton, Patrick McCall and Antonio Battle. I would say they were probably about 10:1 in the heart to talent categories but they are the standard when talking next man up RB’s at OSU.
I would say JJ, AP and Baylor all have more talent than those three guys. JJ is hard to describe but he is incredibly effective and balanced. AP runs hard and is fast, not fast for a RB, fast for a football player. AP is probably the fastest RB we have ever had. Baylor looks to be a big fast bruiser with a few moves, kinda reminds me of a less punchy Blount sometimes, well see how he seasons.
To make the “we are better at RB than ever” argument even more locked in lets look at whose not playing. Calvin Tyler is a very serviceable back who could be the starter in other years. Kase Rogers saw some time last year, i have no feel for if he is any good but his size is impressive and if he got reps he could probably be a serviceable backup (I thought he changed positions in the spring?!?), Ta’Ron Madison is a big body with speed from tape, haven’t seen him much live but I suspect he is going to get some carries at OSU. Heck even Alfieri could have been in rotation some years.
So unrealistically I would say we have 4 guys who could be starting and 3 that could rotate in and be good for positive yardage. IDK how we keep all those guys here and not transferring (1 Sr, 5 So, 1 Fr) with the new rules but damn we have so many good backs.
That was one hell of a run by Baylor, and I agree that AP is getting there as one of the all time best.
And I’m with you I’ve been watching the Beavs since Erik Wilhelm days on KPTV channel 12, and Ken Simonton is hands down the baddest mother fucker to wear the orange and black. He would have rocked it in the NFL if he just had a better 40 time. Patrick MCCall was a bad ass too.
Ken was the absolute heart of it all. Guy just never let his legs stop and had no concept of giving up on a play. Honestly he was probably lucky to not get really hurt the way he ran with zero fear.
I think if he had played in the age of every game being on TV it would have been a different story. His highlight reel that’s available has a fraction of his incredible play. I have a very vivid memory of a DT picking him up in the air in a bear hug but didn’t get him over. Ken’s feet hit the ground again and he ran straight over the poor bastard for another 5 yards or so. I can still remember his legs churning in the air probably denting the guys ribs.
Did Ken Simonton, Patrick McCall and Antonio Battle play concurrently and share the ball? I honestly don’t know.
The other aspect of this I like is their mostly strategic and effective use (the strategic use could improve, Pierce at UH for example). But contrast Lindgren with Riley et al, they were more of a “one-ball one-back” kind of approach, and it worked with Bernard and Rodgers if/when they weren’t hurt. But then the drop off was greater. This staff is doing a much better job of using multiple backs and there’s no drop off per se, just a change in style or skill set.
Agree Pierce has game speed. His 80-yard TD runs at Ohio State proved that. I think a smart NFL team will get a value pick/free agent if they sign him.
I considered adding Calvin Tyler, just because the early assessments seem very positive.
The other things is that their combined ball security seems pretty good. Quizz Rodgers’ one “fumble” in his entire career was amazing, but these guys as a group seem to do a pretty good job.
I’m not sure if they all played in the same he but they did all play in the same season. I was like 8 so it’s all fuzzy but I remember Parker talking about us having 3 guys with 100 yard games or that the potential was there. If I had to guess it was Ken’s junior year where he was hurt for a few games.
I was just looking at times we had three capable backs. Nall, York and Woods would qualify maybe? So would Wright, Cole and Bernard though and that was a terrible rushing year.
Eggers with a few tweets worth reading, mentions Odesimus Clarke, Jordan Whittley, and paints Luton as a leader as he reports: @JakeLuton6’s message to team before game-winning drive: “Do your job. Everybody likes to get emotional, get yelling and whooping and hollering. That’s not going to win you games. You have to take a deep breath and focus on your job. Execute and do what you’re supposed to do.”
Yeah no shit! How about take 80% of the mustard off of those 5 yard passes!!!!! Pros make a living on those dink/dunk passes. You want a job in the NFL? Learn how to put some touch on the ball, and keep drives alive by getting back to the LOS — and stop shaking your head like there is nothing you could have done when you are responsible for a majority of the 7 yard sacks. It doesn’t have to be that way, get your head up and don’t look like you’ve quit on the drive (although I probably would when it’s 3rd and 28, or whatever the fuck he got himself into early in the game…..).
I blame the coaches more than Luton. Luton is what he is, and he seems to be OK on 2nd and 7-8-9 or fewer — he can manage medium passes if he gets his confidence going, but that’s a big IF — seemed like the offense found better rhythm with a run first mentality, even if the run was only 1-2 yards on 1st down, Luton went into 2nd down knowing he didn’t have to throw for 15+ yards. Coaches are slow to allow the workhorses do their job, RUN the damn ball on first down every drive when your QB clearly has lost his shit!!
Or perhaps the running backs took the part about “executing and doing what they are supposed to”– and did it. As long as he’s in there he’s supposed to lead, and it appears to me that’s what he was doing. He’s certainly got some flaws as a QB as has been pointed out many times on this site, but that doesn’t make everything he does bad. That’s a flaw on us. I can’t remember what it’s called but there is a tendency when someone makes some errors to automatically assume everything that person does is bad.
My favorite was when Roberts wiffed on a sack and managed to get a negative 2 yard run, “by some miracle modster turns that into a positive play”….sigh
PI call right before Cals first touchdown. He said something refs didn’t like. It was At least the second PI call on that drive. It gave cal about a yard or so since they were already close to the goal line. I was proud of Smith giving the refs an earful. Anyone know the penalty discrepancy?
Here is what Eggers reported re the flag on JS: OSU sources said secondary coach Blue Adams was the one protesting. “I was the one to get the call,” Smith said. “The way it was going, offense, defense — I figured it was my turn to get a penalty. We were getting them on both sides.” Oregon State finished with 13 penalties for 102 yards. Cal drew two flags for 17 yards.
I liked Smith in that moment as well, after reading this I like Blue too.
BTW, Beavs season avg including Cal is 60.6 penalty yds/game, an acceptable figure overall IMHO.
I have no opposition to female sports announcers but this one sounds as though she is trying to be one of the guys. She says nothing I can’t see for myself – so, sound off indeed.
*Luton was wildly inconsistent and should have been pulled. He did make some nice checks but would throw it 5 ft above their head.
*Brandel struggled simple as that.
*Kipper six! I dont get the hype other than his size he constantly gets beat or hold when he doesn’t false start.
*Sharp can play!
*You have to admit Tibs D really can develop OLB. Losing Gumbs, Murray, Tago could have been bad but these other players have really stepped up.
*Irish is a weapon but if he cant catch put champ back there. The one would have probably bounced in the endzone.
*Sandberg is playing and looks like a pretty viable rotation player.
*Didn’t notice Clarke which is probably a good thing.
*9 sacks is awesome. How many did they have last year?
*Runningbacks continue to look good. The effort by Baylor to get in the endzone was great.
A few thoughts based on the highlights:
-Sharp had a good game and looks like a solid tackler, something we definitely can’t take for granted. Imagine this guy was buried on the depth chart to start the year.
-Morris made some key plays at safety. We’ve missed having him back there.
-Kipper gets crap for his penalties, and rightfully so, but he had a key block on the GW drive that gave Pierce an easy 10-15 yard pickup and his pass blocking was solid. Hopefully he can cut the mental mistakes.
-After the GA years where his quitters mentality infected the team, it was great to see the guys battle back after giving up the lead late. Especially after some of the close losses we’ve had, that says a lot about the team’s leadership.
Also, Luton’s not good enough to win the P12 for us, but after seeing some of the QB’s P5 teams put out there, we could certainly do worse. He’s good enough for us to have a serviceable offense.
BIG JIM is still very high on Kipper, said he is an example of a guy who is learning every game he plays. I suspect JIM is a little disappointed in the number of mistakes Kipper made yesterday.
Good team win. Huge having Moore and Morris and Roberts as well as Sharp in for defense. Thought Luton did good in the first half of spreading the ball around and check downs. Second half? Missing throws and granted a couple drops too. But he didn’t look comfortable out there. When he’s good he’s good, but his biggest flaw seems to be some inconsistency. Though Cal has one of the better secondary in the pac12
Watched the game via DVR with my morning coffee.
Nice win and recovery from last week. Rodents both put a W for the second time this year. Almost a perfect football Sat.
Tibesar’s D looked much better, although Cal sucks on offense, so a little grain of salt. #56(Sharpe?) looks like one of his LB’s at Wisconsin.
Luton with some nice throws and some horrible ones.
I like the multiple formation concepts JS has been running. Under center, Pistol, and Shotgun. Lots of options.
Overall it shows that things are going in the right direction. Hopefully another win or two to allow them to sell hope to kids in the transfer portal.
Go Beavs and F Wisconsin. Please let the magic in Minneapolis continue!
After yesterday I am needing: cell phone, flat screen tv, new door for my office, new sofa for my office and a car windshield. We’re hoping the cat might come home. J Wilcox
Mission. I had him ranked as a 4-star in ’16.
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Riley Sharp — Incredible looking pass catching TE with good speed. Not sure if he can block. Heard he is going on a mission, so they’ll have to re-recruit him if that’s true. Major talent who would consistently beat LBs if he remained at TE.
Just change it to “consistently beat OL.”
Always been super stoked about him. Where’s he been all year?
Getting into football shape after spending 2+ years not playing football. He was behind some guys on the depth chart and not expected to play alot this year since we started the year with so much linebacker depth. But after several injuries, he’s getting some time and making the most of it.
He’s a bigger dude than I expected. Glad he’s getting his chance to shine.
Sandberg was a bright spot yesterday too. He was the JC D-end we out recruited Incarnate Ward for, and he’s been recovering from a knee injury. He looked like a capable rotation guy yesterday and should help provide some much needed defensive depth
So Oregon State has a BYE this week; Arizona plays @ Stanford at 12:30 PM PT on the Pac-12 Network this Saturday. Arizona has a BYE week following the Oregon State game. Beavers will get the full focus of Arizona next week with no chance of a “trap game” from Arizona. Arizona is on a 2 game losing streak since beating Colorado on the road 35-30. Their losses consist of Washington @ home 51-27 and then @ USC 41-14. It will be interesting to see how the Wildcats “bounce back” against Stanford. The matchup is what matters the most in this game. Khalil Tate is a mobile QB who can throw on the run as well. Arizona’s backfield appears to be RB by committee with Khalil Tate using his legs to get positive yards on scrambles and designed runs. They have close to the same rushing yards as they do passing yards on the season. Looking at their passing yards allowed, 310.1 ypg. As long as Luton is consistent and puts 3-4 full quarters together, Oregon State should come out with another road victory. Our defense is getting better each week and having 2 weeks to prepare for another road trip and to work on getting players healthy and keep their focus after a win will be a positive.
I’m riding the hype train of this team being an improved team each week.
My prediction will come next week after seeing the Arizona @ S(t)anford outcome. (Pac-12 Networks left the “t” out of Stanford on one of the graphics of the Pac-12 Standings)
Tate might not even be playing. He was benched in the USC during the 3rd quarter. Their defense seems terrible. Giving up 30 points to Colorado is hard to do.
Just heard on pregame Hayes will be kicking field goals today.
And as noted in the last thread, JJ and Eldridge did not make the trip.
GO BEAVS !
And now radio says Lavaka may not be 100% today.
Hope he improved since that line drive miss haha
If the Beavs can punch Cal in the mouth early, the chances of winning go way up.
We’ve seen this script many times before. The annual glimmer of hope game, Colorado last year, UCLA this year followed by the return to reality Utah, Oregon last year. This is not a great Cal just adequate, but they are more complete than the Beavs. I’ll go with low scoring 24-14 loss.
My prediction:
Beavs win a close one and force 3 Cal turnovers in the process 30-17
After watching one 3 and out…. put in Gebbia.
Lutons decision making so slow.
Go Beavs. Missed the first drive. Assuming nothing positive happened if Cal already has the ball?
Sandberg! TFL to end the first Bear drive! Welcome to the USA, Simon!
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Kipper still learning!
Luton sure missed a safety valve out to his right, another slow decision sack.
Think we’ll make it to double digits of offense before the end of the first quarter?
Luton has the deer in the headlights look today. He is helpless under pressure.
He’s like that vs every good D he’s ever played against
He requires above average protection and that isn’t gonna be a consistent thing….this year.
I don’t want to get involved with the Luton is a retard or no debate other than to say that our o-line seems to be having some serious issues right now. Holy crap we are getting destroyed at the point if attack.
First down! Ok Kipper no holding or false start
Really bad announcers today!
Total yards? Maybe, but it will be close
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How is it that every announcer pronounces Togiai’s name as “Tongiai”?
Every single game. Is there an invisible “n” that I’m not aware of?
So fucking annoying.
UW RB Ahmed is another one. “Ockmed up the middle”. Lazy fucks, learn how to read.
I feel a FG coming on.
Glad I was wrong! Nice play.
Touchdown with a bonus for taking out the ref
Gotta leave so I won’t be seeing the rest of the game, but that was a really good scoring drive. Getting AP some catches out of the backfield is going to be huge for beating Cal, and it looks like we’re trying to make that happen.
Wow great drive, multiple 3rd down conversions.
uo didn’t score any points in the first half against Cal a couple weeks ago
Lavaka pats his sub, Onesimus Clarke, on the back after that scoring series.
Neat deal.
Nice drive. Pretty positive they could sustain a drive like that against a Bears defense that hasn’t allowed many bog drives all year.
Let’s do it four more times!
Coach M did some teaching before that drive, Kipper and Clarke even listened!!
Hey our kicker made the xp.
I like Omar.
Great play calling on that drive.
I spoke too soon but still like Omar.
They need to move their microphones away from the amp
This stadium is dead and Cal is not fired up.
Beavs band is on hand, hopefully the chainsaw is not.
Serious 60 cycle hum coming through.
Cal watched the Beavs film from last week and decided to play like that today.
Halftime adjustments will be huge today for both teams.
Cal’s defense is playing fast. Best way to beat speed is to run right at it and then run misdirection plays.
How the f did Luton sail that one over Pierce’a head? That was an easy 1st down.
Drive killing play on 1st down.
just a lazy throw. no other excuse for it. no touch on the short passes. like the INT last week; all he had to do was loft it but he fired it to the sideline, it was tipped, picked, returned for a TD
AP would have had the first down if Luton had any touch. Wide open wheel route.
Frustrating they couldn’t do anything more than a 3 and out on that drive after capturing some momentum with their previous drive and the defense holding Cal on their drive.
Perfect opportunity to put some distance between us and Cal and Luton throws it away 3 straight times.
Wasted opportunity
A decent toss to AP on first down, even if only for 5-6 yds would have made the difference.
Drive killer for sure.
But AP is taking over this game
Did Choukair transfer to Berkeley?
It feels like the team with the least bad offense is going to be the winner.
Oh shit I dread the thought of trying a long FG
Don’t worry, we’ll take a sack instead
Taylor knew where the sticks were, and Luton a decent toss. First Down.
Look at the new found hands on Kolby Taylor. 2 third down conversions.
Noah “nice hands” Togiai, followed by fly sweep #5 of the season.
Nice play calling again!
Another great drive. Ate a lot of clock too
2/2 on XP? All hail Everett Hayes, new Beaver hero!
Praise his shining foot!
Really wish we would have hired Beau Baldwin.
Baldwin has a pretty good QB too, not afraid to stay in the pocket and survey the field.
How has there been 2 Pac12 teams who thought Modster is a starting QB?
To be fair, he’s Cal’s #2. Their starter is injured.
Best defensive half of football in the Jonathan Smith era
Oregon a quick score.
Nice lead at halftime. Need to play two halves this time and close it out.
First half playcalling very good, keep it up.
Not a bad first half. Smith made good adjustments on offense after the first two awful series. Cal’s oline is pretty bad. Making Beav’s dline look really good.
Halftime adjustments –
On offense – smash mouth football, dink and dunk down the field. Use short swing passes to complement the run game.
On defense – keep playing fast. Keep modster in the pocket. Stay in rush lanes and collapse the pocket. Don’t let him run. Make him win the game with his arm.
Give some credit to Coach M, adjusted well to Bear front seven after the first couple drives.
Wow, Lovie Smith with a signature win over Wisconsin.
Make my day!
Just caught up and here’s what’s be got.
Offense: Luton is switching between dazed and confused and making good quick reads. Ball is being spread out more, possibly by play design with different 1/2 reads. AP looks great again and BJ has some nice runs. Kipper still hitting his quota.
Defense: Looks dominate. I have seen angry throwing bend but don’t break out there and I really agree now. Safties are playing back and keeping it in front of them (morris looks good too). More creative blitzing, Doug’s sack was poetry of a delayed lb blitz. Elu is a force today, sharp is having the game of his life and everything is cleaner with Roberts back. Overall we are man handling a bad offense which is really great to see. Modster is the most uncomfortable I have seen an opposing qb in 5+ years. Shout out to Grant (#3) for playing some pretty disciplined defense, his screen read really caught my eye.
I saw good coverage by Grant on a deep route late in the second quarter, too. Nice to see someone stepping up at CB.
Yup i saw 4 plays (screen, deep ball, run play for loss and one of the sacks) where he played with great discipline
Is grant the guy playing for onu?
If so another Smith personnel error
I think onu was playing SS. Grant looks like nickle this game. Also seeing Dunn and Morris back at safety. Those three look really good on the field together so far. Seem to be an upgrade on closing speed.
Total yards OSU 152 Cal 125, maybe a closer game than it looks, still a lot of game left
Grant with good coverage again
But played soft on 3rd and 17. Fortunately incomplete
Well, we are terrible so I would expect that haha!
Cal looks way more up tempo and competent. That’s their adjustment, now do we stop it…
Looked like pressure was the right move. As soon as they finished their halftime script we started blitzing from nickle and lb again.
Highlight from Oklahoma’s game where the OU cheerleading team thought it would be a good idea to have live animals pulling a rickety covered wagon around the field, with cheerleaders riding in the wagon.
Animals make a sharp turn. Wagon can’t make the turn as the wheels get stuck in the turf. Wagon and cheerleaders sent tumbling across the turf. Fortunately no people or animals were injured.
https://twitter.com/SwaptySports/status/1185608106362970115?s=19
No gimme, but now a chance to step on their throat, only 92 yds to go!
2nd penalty on Noah. He’s competing with Kipper
Smith’s clock management at the end of the first half was the worst for an OSU team since the Alamo Bowl.
2nd PI on Dunn..
The ol’ running QB thing! Even Morris punching the ball out can’t stop conversion on 3rd and long.
JS should think, “Don’t I have a QB who can run??”
That looked like offensive PI
All the ref saw was Moore’s hand extended. O think Smith might have said a word that wasn’t wilikers. Needs to talk to Riley about ref friendly cursing, golly.
Ya and set up the td.
okay. Cal within one TD. Ugly defensive series there. The game hangs in the balance with this next possession. If the Beavs move the ball and score, I predict they will win. If they don’t, a loss is virtually certain.
Penalties.
Cal scoring drive actually started with the penalty on Noah which killed Beavs drive, then penalties on the D side finished the sad job. Need a drive now for sure.
Not sure if 4 penalties of help and a shitty qb scramble that ended in a fumble recovery by a receiver qualifies as dominant offense. You might be right but we have 20 minutes of clock…alot of time to hanger a single drive on.
Defense could use a break though
Their QB flat misses a ton of passes. We just can’t bail him out
Keep AP involved. He had runs of 6 yds and 5 yds last possession. Just keep getting him the ball
AP all day until they key on him
No need for a deep drop back
That was the opposite of AP all day
this game is over. All down hill for Cal from now on. Bank it.
What is with the switch to long-developing pass plays?????
Lindgren is getting anxious and over thinking the play calling
Horrible set of downs
That was terrible.
Taylor has a future as a mason.
It’s like he switched between beta blockers and intaveneous shots into his hands. Brilliant or garbage
Sharp looks like a starter.
Sharp is out of his mind today
Riley Sharp playing his ass off
terrible decision to try to field that punt
Look at that! An Oregon State Defensive batted ball!
another vintage Luton throw
Luton with a great spiral on that though
Just….a bit outside
Well yeah the kids aim needs work…and basic mechanics…but he can throw a tight spiral out of bounds all day.
We’re doing everything we can to wake up their crowd
and another.
That was all on Luton. Time for him to sit.
Offense has taken a fat shit on the field this half. Three 3-and-outs
About 30 minutes ago, Beavs had momentum and Huskies had momentum against oregon. But good things are short lived.
I blame myself for saying the Beavs are daring Modster to throw, despite our thin secondary. Dunn has had a pretty bad day, giving up big plays or extending drives with penalties.
Typical 2nd half meltdown where the other team adjusts and we fold.
Luton just gives up. He doesn’t even read past his primary receiver.
9 plays this half include a sack and 3 throwaways. Only 3 rushing plays
Beavs D will show signs of being gassed because the there’s no offensive continuity for OSU. Then people will blame the D for giving up a lead in the second half.
Hey I agree with you! Defense has been great today outside of Dunn getting PI and blowing coverage acouple times.
and Wannabeav calls it. Not only no comeback, the rout will be on from here
You are soooo defeated son!!!! Don’t comment anymore! You are more fickle than a duck fan…. hahaha
Classic OSU mealtdown.
We might be fucked. Asking the D to step up too many times. Offense is dead.
might be? This game is over, and I called it 20 or so minutes ago
3 and out by Luton from here on out lol.
I don’t see him rallying against this diversity.
Best offensive play of the half to Togiai
Only hope is Gebbia. Cal made adjustments.
Smith won’t do it, and we’ll continue to fold.
Got a first down finally. Better play calling there
I’m for it. The protection is shit. It got exposed against Utah. Be ready for a lot of this the rest of the way.
that’s the key thing, Angry. Too many coaches, and fans for that matter, view a QB change up as a “football earthquake”; disruptive, QB controversy, locker room splits, etc. Actually, it’s simply an in-game adjustment when done well. Smith hasn’t grasped that yet
Luton’s time to prove his doubters wrong. Can he put the offense on his fractured spine and carry them to victory in the 4th quarter?
I’m from Missouri. Luton misses an open Togiai there
Show me…
10/10 word smithing
Anyone got a tackle count on Weaver? Like 16? Is cals defense good or is it just him??
Risky play call on the reverse way to roll the dice
4 down territory
pass to strong; one mistake after another. like compound interest.
Another overthrow then a throw behind hodgins
Luton hospital ball to Togia. Solid adjustment.
Give Gebbia a shot at a game winning drive. Jeez.
Yeah he looks like garbage, I think I would rather see Gebbia throw some ints than a slow death by Luton.
This will be an interesting driven I think this is their first one behind the 20 all game.
Cal will probably grind one out and then some people (few of them here, thankfully) will blame this defeat on the D.
Yeah I’m hoping for a dumb move on a 3rd dpwn
4th quarter and Weaver has as many tackles as Luton has completions!
What’s his count? I have like 14-18?!?
Good punt Rodriguez, way to read them, hold it up and sucker him into a fair catch at the 5. Good opportunity for the D to stuff them
Luton is throwing the ball too high and hanging his WR/TE’s out to dry and getting lit up on those passes. Time to get Luton out. He’s rattled and won’t recover; it’s been that way all season long.
With even a half assed qb we win this game. Luton just keeps missing and looks at 1 receiver only.
Can not understand why Smith can’t see this
Hell yeah huge defensive stand. Just what we needed
They are playing a pretty complete game at this point.
Another shot for Luton. Maybe this is the one.
another missed throw
All right Luton. Defense gave you new life. Take advantage or 3 and out?
Not many more chances like this.
Ffs dude
another mistake by Luton. didn’t throw the ball far enough. guy is awful. no moxie
Worst play calls of all time. We’ve got more throwaways than attempted passes this half
Get him the fuck out!
Now!
so, just to keep things interesting. we know OSU ends up with 14. What’s Cal’s final score?
He’s rattled give gebbia a drive.
God damn Beavers.
Didn’t angry call a sloppy, ugly game?
Beavs are coming through on their end of the deal
Angrys prediction still works if we miss the xp!
any game with Luton playing is automatically ugly
Off the let Luton play. Absolutely atrocious. Very poor coaching allowing him to keep playing. At the very least he is having a bad day. If he doesn’t pull Irish as well I will be pretty out off.
That not a horse collar? Is it cause ap was sideways?
Cuz it’s not against a Cal bear. These refs are awful.
I wonder how people would vote on that “Should Gebbia start?” poll today.
I think pretty decisively. Even I have no hope
I wonder where A@A, Chuck, and Alum are in moments like this?
keeping things interesting part 2: what’s going through Gebbia’s mind witnessing something like this.
I should’ve stayed in Nebraska.
It just is so frustrating to watch Luton suck so bad and probably cost us this game.
He doesn’t have what it takes to be a qb at this level. Angry called it and Luton is proving him right.
Why oh why can’t the coaching staff see it.
Maybe Gebbia said a bad word at practice?
Avery Roberts two nice tackles in a row
He makes a huge impact. My vote for top transfer
Cal Qb shitty throw gives us life again
Luton has not thrown a single good pass entire second half. Why are the being so stubborn? It makes no sense.
Yet another shot for Luton… let’s see what he does
2nd first down of the half.
I wish Gumbs was still healthy. He was biggest impact by far.
Run, run, run, 1st Down. Keep doing it
Nope, another throwaway
a mobile QB get 10-15 yards there
What happened to the draw? Never see it any more and that 3rd and 3 was a perfect time for it.
Are the coaches watching the same game?
AP is the man
Run the damn ball. don’t put the fate of the game in #6’s hands
I wonder what the offensive line are thinking with all these throw aways. As a former lineman, I’m pissed.
So a Luton overthrow or throw away this time?
4 down territory. don’t go for the FG
Pierce single handedly saving the team this quarter.
Luton hasn’t thrown a good pass in the 2nd half.
That’s a touchdown!!!!
that’s a TD
I’m so happy to look like a trash bag
I’m eating my words. Beavs score. Happy to do so. AP just took the game on his shoulders.
That was BJ Baylor.
THAT’s WHY YOU RUN THE BALL!!!!
One more stop D. It comes down to this drive
TD.
Baylor is sneaky good.
Looks like Baylor, AP and the on line had a talk, “fuck that dude let’s just do it ourselves”
Yep. “Screw the poseur leader.”
But remember: The Beav’s D is notorious for failure on final drives. They didn’t lose this game either way…more pressure and stops behind the line since probably the ’06 D.
Would be nice if we had a QB who could add the element of running the ball too, since we’re established the pass game isn’t working
Gotta love the playcalling, use the RB(s)!
That TD drive gave Beavs D time to rest, critical for the final 5 min or so.
three 3rd down runs down the stretch. Lindgren knew Luton didn’t have it so he adjusted.
Tough run by Baylor.
I’m just happy our running back future is so bright. Great heads-up play by Baylor to get that touchdown.
On que
FUCK YEAH!!!!!
run the ball
4 minute drill
Keep it in bounds
a first down here and one more afterwards wins it.
Give the Cal coach some credit though for making the change. That prior QB blew goats.
New guy did, too, but he took a shot.
That interception was HUUUGE!!! We need a first down here!
go for it
Go for it, stick the dagger
Go for it!
Luton bounced that rush outside, deserves some credit there. First Down!
concur
Thought Pierce got that 1st
Good job churning the legs by Luton.
My feed must be way behind live action
Weaver tackled him. That guy is incredible
Wilcox looks really pissed.
Going for it on 4th and short with a sneak and getting it?! This is not a Mike Riley team.
yep. Riley would have punted there.
Then Bruce Read would have followed up with the punt return for the TD
Really risky play, especially with how well the defense has been playing the last several drives
Glad it worked, but unnecessary
Like I said Luton is amazing. Credit where credit is due.
that’s a joke, right?
#sarcasm
15 secs on the clock for that 3rd down play, Luton deserves some blame there.
good eyes for an old BEav
take the penalty and then kick it in the end zone.
Is this the second PAC-12 road game for the beavs and it’s our second pac-12 win? Are we turning into a road win team!?
Damn nice punt!
Rodriguez is good
okay, now the game does rest with the D.
Angry, that prediction is looking pretty prophetic. You must not have known Hayes was going to be kicking and shorted us an extra pt.
Off by 1 point. If chiukair had started he would have nailed it.
Interesting you sound just like Angry…..
put a guy on the goal line!
OSU Beavers, defensive juggernaut
Who was that old beav who stuck his neck out and predicted a 3+ point Beav victory?
Someone go ahead and throw “bank it” wannabeav off the yacht!
happy to be wrong, OOB.
I might have to sail that yacht up the Mississippi for Beavergopher
You have #row that yacht.
Maybe Luton could, he’s good at throwing things over boundries! Good prediction OOB
Who called 20-17 and took the Beavs in the CBS pool? ;)
Nice win. Defense played great. The only bad thing is we have to bear another week of A@A, Chuck and Alum telling us how great Luton is.
True, but you can be pretty sure the media won’t be awarding Luton any honors.
I wouldn’t be so sure.
Everyone saw Luton. He was barely a “game manager” or backup today. The victory goes to the D. They were behind the line all day. RBs did a nice job, too.
I am happy to be wrong with my prediction! Beavs tried pretty hard to beat themselves but they good Beavs prevailed. Good win!
I suck!
Meanwhile, the Ducks losing…
Good win!
Debbie downer observation is the Beavs should really be at 5 wins at this point…
Yep, should be 5-2 sans the two Smith losses.
“5-2” Doesn’t that sound like progress?
Confidence goes up, recruiting is more productive, Beavers get a low level bowl game and extra development time…
A lot of the ‘we’ll never win again’ posts didn’t age well.
There’s not a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss left on the schedule.
As I said in the prior thread, there’s no transitive property in football, and every week is about matchup advantages/disadvantages.
Offensive MVPs: AP/Baylor and run blocking. Hell the line even pass blocked well Luton just needs 10 seconds to throw it out of bounds if his #1 isn’t open.
Defensive MVPs: Riley Sharp was out of his mind, Avery Roberts made a huge impact, Elu was in the mix all day, Grant making his case after a bad injury last year (or was it spring?). Lots of good to pick from there! D won that game hands down.
Shout out to Weaver: he might be the highest motor player I have ever seen. He should be making big bucks soon.
Dont forget Hamilcar with the tip on the pick, plus the sack to put it on ice
For sure, I left him out because he had a typical game (guys awesome) and the rest all played better than normal. Can’t really have 5 defensive mvvps or I would lose all credibility!!
*Roberts 100% lives up to his star rating, dude is a beast.
*Really wish Gumbs didn’t go down.
*Sharp may be another example of a gamer. Watching him play tonight you have to wonder why he hasn’t been seeing the field. Another guy that doesn’t look special on paper but kills it on the field.
I had Sharp high in the recruiting ratings. He was an excellent looking TE before going on mission. It’s not a surprise he’s doing well. Slight surprise it took him this long to get on the field, but not really given Smith’s track record.
Sharps been in a bit but I think this game he was in for McCarran. He seems like a guy that has the size and intensity that allows for ‘viokemt’ play. I could see other players being more effective in practice but he has a gameday motor that I really like. Gumbs def hurts, he was very disruptive against okstate
Keys to victory: a bend but don’t break D that didn’t break very often (admittedly against a limited offense) and those three THIRD down runs on the last drive.
9 sacks, several TFL’s, still saying Tibs is a good guy!
I also noticed that Tibesar was out on the sideline today. I believe he was in the booth in the past. Perhaps it helps the D with him out there with them.
I did see him on sideline once this game, not sure if he was there full time. Orthodox approach, as I believe Bill recently pointed out, is for Coordinator to get the big picture from the booth. Sometimes a changeup is smart (lookin’ at you, JS).
Would like to say that Smith is making coaching mistakes and being stubborn in keeping with
Luton but it also says a lot that he got this team to bounce back after the melt down last week.
This team could have folded.
Someone needs to paint the field and Reser purple and gold so that the Beavers play their best against Washington. I have no idea why we’re better away than home, but I’ll take it.
We have no fans at home…we’re feeding off the opponents fanbase/energy.
JS has three Pac 12 wins and they’re all on the road, he’s the anti-Riley, gotta figure it out at home
I’ll take road wins to start this turn around over all home game wins. 3 more wins to get to a bowl game with 5 games left to play. WAZZU, Arizona State, and Arizona are our biggest chances to get to a bowl game this year. 2/3 of those are on the road. So it’s possible if this trend keeps going! I’m riding the road win victory train!
You’re riding the emotion. No way we’re a bowl team.
Maybe if we can beat someone’s starting QB. All we’ve done is beat two backups. It’s nice progress, but we aren’t a bowl team yet.
Would like to say that Smith is making coaching mistakes and being stubborn in keeping with
Luton but it also says a lot that he got this team to bounce back after the melt down last week.
This team could have folded. But i so wish they would go with Gebbia
How was the new layout during the game? First week with this…feedback appreciated. Any issues commenting, etc…
Refreshing on chrome mobile is annoying. Have to reload the page via link each time. I might just be dumb though, don’t know if there’s anything you could do. Otherwise all good!
What does that mean you have to refresh “via link”?
How did it work on that browser with the old site?
I literally copy and paste the link and put it back in the search bar to refresh. Again probably mobile chrome not your layout. Maybe a link at the bottom that reloads to the comments? I also just got the angry beav link in the footer notes then navigate back.
Just annoying not a real problem
Is that Android?
I use Iphone and Apple has a refresh button for the comment section in Safari.
That’s surprising and bizarre if Chrome doesn’t have a fresh button. Did it have one on the old layout?
Yeah it’s Android chrome. Also it looks like threads max out at 4 replies
4 replies has always been the max.
Need to keep things tidy.
I’ve always wondered about why the reply option doesn’t exist sometimes. The 4 reply limit is… stupid.
No, what’s stupid is comments compressing until they’re infinitely small.
It’s pretty clear I’m responding to you without nesting it further.
All good with Firefox on laptop
Yeah laptops have a better UI cause they don’t condense things. I literally can’t find a refresh button on the phone haha
Pull down so the top menu comes down. Tap the 3 dots on the right and hit the little swirly circle symbol. That should refresh.
Ha! I knew I was a moron! Ty!
Functionality is as good as before. Visibility is better now with the bigger layout.
O/U for days until Beau Baldwin is canned set at 1.5
We’ve won 3 of our last 5. Keep it up and we’re going bowling.
Outside of some transfers our defense is pretty damn young. We could be looking good over the next couple years with these young guys as a base.
Anyone see a status on Shemar? I didn’t see him back after he limped off. Looked knee.
Beavs again control their own destiny to the PAC 12 North Title. (Assuming huskies cruise to close out this 4th quarter)
Rofl
Haha.
Of the remaining 5 games, best matchups:
Arizona
Oregon
WSU
ASU
Washington
I’d rank our odds of a win in that order.
Arizona has a running QB.
Game over.
But he’s not super fast and their D kinda sucks from what I saw. Game not in Arizona helps, too.
WSU is a shit show currently.
Peterson is giving Cristobal an opportunity to take this game. Does Mario have the chops to not fuck it up?
I haven’t watched much ducks this year. I know their defense looks good but offense is sketchy. What matchup do you see with us that gives us a chance? Is it reliant on Gebbia starting?!?
Subject to change as I watch more of these teams, but that’s my feeling now. Ducks D is fast but not good. Their offense has picked up. Beavs could exploit them with a power run game. Would require a smart game plan that controls the clock. I’m not sure Luton is efficient enough in the short passing game to do what we need. That Herbert isn’t especially mobile factors in and helps. Disagree with the people saying Beavs get annihilated by the Ducks. Expect something like 42-31 that game, and if things go the Beavs way with turnovers they can win. I think Washington annihilates us. That’s an awful matchup. Could be Utah 2.0.
I buy both of those points. If ducks are flat and we bring the A game (and figure out how to score again) we could squeeze it.
Also agree that our A game against washington means we limp away sadly instead of a field burial.
Ducks beat Washington at home getting away with a PI. Ducks now in the natty picture.
buzzkill, angry :P
Ducks were on the road actually. So far 3 complete pac-12 games, and all are road team wins.
3-4 thru 7 games is actually our best record through 7 games since 2014
We haven’t been this close to bowl eligible for five years. Sad.
Screw Phil Steele
And sorry to hear about your brother angry
Thanks, boss. Nothing official for a week or so — until then ignoring it.
Also good to see David Morris get some run today. A Morris/Moore tandem is a solid back end of the D.
Agreed, he brings size and speed that has been missing. He keeps things infront of him too. Good clean up man.
Morris is a known beast when he’s healthy.
Why is Montez horrible now?
I need to stop picking CO.
It has to be lindgren…right? Which makes the Luton choice that much more curious.
Anyone got the link to the husky call in show? Thx
How did Penn State go from Pedo State to Natty talk within a few years?
That should never happen.
Seperate yourself from a legend and his family and knock down some statues!
I’ll take money for $500 Alex.
Recruiting, recruiting, and recruiting. Fans still think Joe Pa was unaware. Right.
How do these perennial programs always come back from terrible seasons, coaches or circumstances? I’d say follow the donor money. Even the Quacks somehow are back after the Helrich shit show. How? How does Alabama always come back? Penn State? Oklahoma? Big money won’t let them fail.
All this Luton hate is ridiculous! So many of his throw-aways were under extreme and immediately pressure with good coverage down the field. His throw-aways are a HUGE area of improvement for him this year as last year he was taking big sacks left and right in these situations/or throwing picks. He has finally learned to live for another down. I actually have a working magic crystal ball that can show me alternate paths of reality, and out of curiosity I took a peak at what would have happened if Gebbia would have played the whole game. He completed a few more passes than Luton, but ended up throwing three picks under duress when he should have thrown it away, and we lost 31-28.. . .be careful what you wish for!
I mean sure thats nice but hes kinda a one trick pony. He hits his first read or he runs around for 10 seconds and throws it out of bounds.
Hate is a pretty strong word. Seems to me, absent a few emotional reactions, most here simply long for some mobility at QB and a little quicker decision making and consistency.
It’s been repeatedly recognized that Gebbia would undergo a learning curve; that’s gonna happen either this year or next (if his status doesn’t change). Glaring opportunities to get some of that learning out of the way have occurred over the season to date.
Can anyone seriously contend that, even with a poor O-line performance, Gebbia would take the same 6-15 yd sacks that Luton has? Mobility.
Good backup.
Not so sure, OOB (I’m probably an older OB). I take your points, but some of the comments I’ve read (no, I didn’t make notes) struck me as a bit over the top. Is it possible that the players (not as wise as us) believe in him and he’s the Alpha they want to follow? Could it be that JS recognizes that? Just a possibility.
A possibility indeed.
While it’s a part of being a fan, evaluating things like moxie and leadership from where we sit certainly is no exact science. Still, is it that far off the mark to evaluate based on the lack of mobility, inconsistency, and demonstrated body language which we DO see?
And even if those young ‘uns want to follow Luton, would it have been a detriment to have given Gebbia a few of the quarters when Luton was particularly ineffective?
Here is another possibility for you, maybe wannabeav (he’s old too) is correct when he says:
“Too many coaches, and fans for that matter, view a QB change up as a “football earthquake”; disruptive, QB controversy, locker room splits, etc. Actually, it’s simply an in-game adjustment when done well. Smith hasn’t grasped that yet.”
Thanks for your response — and good thoughtful points. I guess I just hate to see us bench warmers being too hard on the kids that are out there trying their best. I guess I’ve become more of a softie since the great grandkids started coming. Also we may not always be reading their body language correctly. Sometime body language, head shaking, etc. have to do with someone who is being really critical of himself, not others. I do agree, it would be good to see Gebbia get some time. On another topic, my qualifications for OB status would go back to my undergraduate days in the late 50’s watching Francis throwing and Bates defending from the (then) bleachers.
You’ve been watching the Beavs since the 50s? That’s a bummer you missed their last Rose Bowl by just a few years.
I can think of a handful of plays where Gebbia’s mobility would have gotten him to the line of scrimmage instead of a 7 yard loss. 2nd and 9-10 you can still have most of the play book open for a very reachable first down. 2nd and 17, predictability makes the offense 1-dimensional, especially with a sloth-like QB as is Luton. I don’t mind Luton inside the opponents 30 yard line, OSU is first in the league in scoring inside the red zone—gotta give home some credit for that. However, the coaches need to get better at recognizing when he’s clearly lost his mojo, and get Gebbia in there to kickstart the fucking offense.
I’ll just predict a 35-0 loss every week and not watch. Seemed to work today.
You’re welcome.
Luton still sucks
NiceBeav, any way to not put Pac-12 teams in the CBS pool next week?
Seem to get those wrong more than anything else.
There’s a way, but pretty much nobody is any good at picking Pac12 games, so you should still be able to keep pace
Don’t listen to angry, original assumptions when you set up the CBS pool were clear…….PAC12 primarily. Besides, he’s doing pretty well as things stand!
I was thinking about how the defense played today. Tibs schemed very well and the players executed. Now I imagine when the defense has more talent. How fast they could play. A sign of a good defense is guys flying to the ball. Lots of gang tackling. Today was a glimpse of what the defense could become.
There’s room on the Tibs bandwagon. Join me?
I cut the cord and lost PAC-12 Network so could only listen to the second half via tune-in on phone. Love Parker and whoever the other guy is. At one point the other guy was stating Luton’s expressions weren’t good and talked about poor attitude during that portion of the game. Which was my point with Luton days ago here that he is either hot or cold, hero or zero, man or boy. But glad he pulled his head together and Brave won.
Sorry iPhone changed Beavs to brave.
The “other guy” is BIG JIM Wilson, OSU Hall of Famer. Former FB lineman and power hitter for Beavs Baseball. As far as I know, he is still teaching public High School in Vancouver.
He seems to be a straight shooter and knows what he is talking about. It’s a tossup as to whether he is better at FB or Baseball. I especially enjoy his gentlemanly manner of trying to educate Jon Warren during Spring Baseball games.
Wilson brings an informed levity to the broadcast. Parker is annoying and needs to retire.
Great win and good chatter on here today.
Anyone know why Fleming’s isn’t returning punts especially after seeing Irish struggle?
Also curious If anyone knows why Lindsey wasn’t in for some series Second half. He has been more sure handed and seems to find holes in zone d.
Beavs baseball picked up another new commit today.
2021, Jacob Kmatz. Good to see Canham making some progress on the recruiting trail. Feels like this team will have a 1 or 2 year lull before they’ll have a shot at being a competitive Pac12 team again.
https://twitter.com/JacobKmatz32/status/1185743280723517440?s=19
Good get
Pac 12 Network was showing a replay of the 2016 Cal game. What do I see? Onu-Hicks blind-siding a defenseless punter downfield and getting a 15-yard penalty. He must have been on special teams back then. Good riddance!
Without seeing the game, and only listening to the second half, it seems like:
Luton is still woefully inconsistent, can’t put two halves together against a DI defense. This team could very easily be 5-2 right now. I know that argument is old to some, but damn….5-2…that builds confidence, puts more people in Reser seats, helps recruiting….
There’s progress. Even against bad CAL back up QBs, 9 sacks (#9 on the last play of the game) and 13(?) TFLs means there’s consistent effort through the game, and individuals making plays. How long has it been since OSU put up those kinds of numbers in a league game? Land those JC defensive lineman, get 3 CBs, this becomes a D that can hold its own. Hope Hamilcar has another year of eligibility.
I was thinking they’d lose a winnable game – “This team doesn’t know how to win. There’s too many players too used to losing, and for those that want to win, when there’s adversity, they’re not resilient.” Then Pierce and Baylor showed otherwise.
Those Pierce and Baylor runs to sustain drives and take the lead were great to hear; nice calls, great running by those two. Morale and confidence builders. I can’t recall in their modern history Beavs having 3 RBs this good. Its so refreshing to see that kind of depth and execution from each.
Champ had a pretty big 4th quarter run too. One of his best plays in his young career
On your RB point. The best threesome (lol) of my lifetime (30 yrs) is Ken Simonton, Patrick McCall and Antonio Battle. I would say they were probably about 10:1 in the heart to talent categories but they are the standard when talking next man up RB’s at OSU.
I would say JJ, AP and Baylor all have more talent than those three guys. JJ is hard to describe but he is incredibly effective and balanced. AP runs hard and is fast, not fast for a RB, fast for a football player. AP is probably the fastest RB we have ever had. Baylor looks to be a big fast bruiser with a few moves, kinda reminds me of a less punchy Blount sometimes, well see how he seasons.
To make the “we are better at RB than ever” argument even more locked in lets look at whose not playing. Calvin Tyler is a very serviceable back who could be the starter in other years. Kase Rogers saw some time last year, i have no feel for if he is any good but his size is impressive and if he got reps he could probably be a serviceable backup (I thought he changed positions in the spring?!?), Ta’Ron Madison is a big body with speed from tape, haven’t seen him much live but I suspect he is going to get some carries at OSU. Heck even Alfieri could have been in rotation some years.
So unrealistically I would say we have 4 guys who could be starting and 3 that could rotate in and be good for positive yardage. IDK how we keep all those guys here and not transferring (1 Sr, 5 So, 1 Fr) with the new rules but damn we have so many good backs.
That was one hell of a run by Baylor, and I agree that AP is getting there as one of the all time best.
And I’m with you I’ve been watching the Beavs since Erik Wilhelm days on KPTV channel 12, and Ken Simonton is hands down the baddest mother fucker to wear the orange and black. He would have rocked it in the NFL if he just had a better 40 time. Patrick MCCall was a bad ass too.
Ken was the absolute heart of it all. Guy just never let his legs stop and had no concept of giving up on a play. Honestly he was probably lucky to not get really hurt the way he ran with zero fear.
I think if he had played in the age of every game being on TV it would have been a different story. His highlight reel that’s available has a fraction of his incredible play. I have a very vivid memory of a DT picking him up in the air in a bear hug but didn’t get him over. Ken’s feet hit the ground again and he ran straight over the poor bastard for another 5 yards or so. I can still remember his legs churning in the air probably denting the guys ribs.
Did Ken Simonton, Patrick McCall and Antonio Battle play concurrently and share the ball? I honestly don’t know.
The other aspect of this I like is their mostly strategic and effective use (the strategic use could improve, Pierce at UH for example). But contrast Lindgren with Riley et al, they were more of a “one-ball one-back” kind of approach, and it worked with Bernard and Rodgers if/when they weren’t hurt. But then the drop off was greater. This staff is doing a much better job of using multiple backs and there’s no drop off per se, just a change in style or skill set.
Agree Pierce has game speed. His 80-yard TD runs at Ohio State proved that. I think a smart NFL team will get a value pick/free agent if they sign him.
I considered adding Calvin Tyler, just because the early assessments seem very positive.
The other things is that their combined ball security seems pretty good. Quizz Rodgers’ one “fumble” in his entire career was amazing, but these guys as a group seem to do a pretty good job.
I’m not sure if they all played in the same he but they did all play in the same season. I was like 8 so it’s all fuzzy but I remember Parker talking about us having 3 guys with 100 yard games or that the potential was there. If I had to guess it was Ken’s junior year where he was hurt for a few games.
Good analysis. No mention of Nall or Clayton York?
I was just looking at times we had three capable backs. Nall, York and Woods would qualify maybe? So would Wright, Cole and Bernard though and that was a terrible rushing year.
Ryan Cole? He was huge disappointment if I’m thinking of the right guy. He would run straight into the line of scrimmage and fall down!
That’s Ryan Mccants.
Not a single mention of Steven Jackson. You guys gotta get your heads screwed on haha.
I saw/read that 9 sacks are the most since 1996.
Eggers with a few tweets worth reading, mentions Odesimus Clarke, Jordan Whittley, and paints Luton as a leader as he reports:
@JakeLuton6’s message to team before game-winning drive: “Do your job. Everybody likes to get emotional, get yelling and whooping and hollering. That’s not going to win you games. You have to take a deep breath and focus on your job. Execute and do what you’re supposed to do.”
https://twitter.com/kerryeggers
Those are big words from a guy with a 35 QBR and like 5 career wins. Lol
He should take his own advice. Lol
Yeah no shit! How about take 80% of the mustard off of those 5 yard passes!!!!! Pros make a living on those dink/dunk passes. You want a job in the NFL? Learn how to put some touch on the ball, and keep drives alive by getting back to the LOS — and stop shaking your head like there is nothing you could have done when you are responsible for a majority of the 7 yard sacks. It doesn’t have to be that way, get your head up and don’t look like you’ve quit on the drive (although I probably would when it’s 3rd and 28, or whatever the fuck he got himself into early in the game…..).
Hit the open guy?
And when u throw away a screen get in the vicinity of the receiver.
I blame the coaches more than Luton. Luton is what he is, and he seems to be OK on 2nd and 7-8-9 or fewer — he can manage medium passes if he gets his confidence going, but that’s a big IF — seemed like the offense found better rhythm with a run first mentality, even if the run was only 1-2 yards on 1st down, Luton went into 2nd down knowing he didn’t have to throw for 15+ yards. Coaches are slow to allow the workhorses do their job, RUN the damn ball on first down every drive when your QB clearly has lost his shit!!
What should he have said, Angry?
No clue…probably nothing. Lead with play.
RBs ignored all that and took the game into their own hands.
Or perhaps the running backs took the part about “executing and doing what they are supposed to”– and did it. As long as he’s in there he’s supposed to lead, and it appears to me that’s what he was doing. He’s certainly got some flaws as a QB as has been pointed out many times on this site, but that doesn’t make everything he does bad. That’s a flaw on us. I can’t remember what it’s called but there is a tendency when someone makes some errors to automatically assume everything that person does is bad.
Notice Eggers response to an individual who says he’s curious to see a Beaver QB (i.e. an alternative to Luton) “who can extend plays back there”?
Eggers: “The Beavers coaches aren’t curious. They’re busy trying to win games.”
Eggers did the same thing with McM. He criticized him and backed the coaches, basically quoting what they said his flaws were.
He doesnt know half what he thinks he does.
The short version of today’s game, turn off the sound so you don’t have to listen to the announcers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l6bKLlLD6c
My favorite was when Roberts wiffed on a sack and managed to get a negative 2 yard run, “by some miracle modster turns that into a positive play”….sigh
Nice to see the Beav/Cal game get the top on-air talent! Did the P-12 Network use interns?
Larry keeping costs down
How did Jonathan get an unsportsmanlike penalty? I missed that one
PI call right before Cals first touchdown. He said something refs didn’t like. It was At least the second PI call on that drive. It gave cal about a yard or so since they were already close to the goal line. I was proud of Smith giving the refs an earful. Anyone know the penalty discrepancy?
Here is what Eggers reported re the flag on JS:
OSU sources said secondary coach Blue Adams was the one protesting. “I was the one to get the call,” Smith said. “The way it was going, offense, defense — I figured it was my turn to get a penalty. We were getting them on both sides.” Oregon State finished with 13 penalties for 102 yards. Cal drew two flags for 17 yards.
I liked Smith in that moment as well, after reading this I like Blue too.
BTW, Beavs season avg including Cal is 60.6 penalty yds/game, an acceptable figure overall IMHO.
https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-sports/441402-354299-disruptive-beavers-sack-cal
Riley watching from home, “Wilikers Johnathon you can’t just holler at a fella like that! Shucks the refs! Golly”
I have no opposition to female sports announcers but this one sounds as though she is trying to be one of the guys. She says nothing I can’t see for myself – so, sound off indeed.
A few thoughts:
*Luton was wildly inconsistent and should have been pulled. He did make some nice checks but would throw it 5 ft above their head.
*Brandel struggled simple as that.
*Kipper six! I dont get the hype other than his size he constantly gets beat or hold when he doesn’t false start.
*Sharp can play!
*You have to admit Tibs D really can develop OLB. Losing Gumbs, Murray, Tago could have been bad but these other players have really stepped up.
*Irish is a weapon but if he cant catch put champ back there. The one would have probably bounced in the endzone.
*Sandberg is playing and looks like a pretty viable rotation player.
*Didn’t notice Clarke which is probably a good thing.
*9 sacks is awesome. How many did they have last year?
*Runningbacks continue to look good. The effort by Baylor to get in the endzone was great.
What is Tago’s injury?
Champ should get at least a half dozen chances per game. He needs to be our PR guy
A few thoughts based on the highlights:
-Sharp had a good game and looks like a solid tackler, something we definitely can’t take for granted. Imagine this guy was buried on the depth chart to start the year.
-Morris made some key plays at safety. We’ve missed having him back there.
-Kipper gets crap for his penalties, and rightfully so, but he had a key block on the GW drive that gave Pierce an easy 10-15 yard pickup and his pass blocking was solid. Hopefully he can cut the mental mistakes.
-After the GA years where his quitters mentality infected the team, it was great to see the guys battle back after giving up the lead late. Especially after some of the close losses we’ve had, that says a lot about the team’s leadership.
Also, Luton’s not good enough to win the P12 for us, but after seeing some of the QB’s P5 teams put out there, we could certainly do worse. He’s good enough for us to have a serviceable offense.
BIG JIM is still very high on Kipper, said he is an example of a guy who is learning every game he plays. I suspect JIM is a little disappointed in the number of mistakes Kipper made yesterday.
Kipper averages 3 penalties a game if my running brain total is correct. Most are holds with a nice mix of false starts.
That’s the worst part is the false starts are mental and preventable.
Good team win. Huge having Moore and Morris and Roberts as well as Sharp in for defense. Thought Luton did good in the first half of spreading the ball around and check downs. Second half? Missing throws and granted a couple drops too. But he didn’t look comfortable out there. When he’s good he’s good, but his biggest flaw seems to be some inconsistency. Though Cal has one of the better secondary in the pac12
Watched the game via DVR with my morning coffee.
Nice win and recovery from last week. Rodents both put a W for the second time this year. Almost a perfect football Sat.
Tibesar’s D looked much better, although Cal sucks on offense, so a little grain of salt. #56(Sharpe?) looks like one of his LB’s at Wisconsin.
Luton with some nice throws and some horrible ones.
I like the multiple formation concepts JS has been running. Under center, Pistol, and Shotgun. Lots of options.
Overall it shows that things are going in the right direction. Hopefully another win or two to allow them to sell hope to kids in the transfer portal.
Go Beavs and F Wisconsin. Please let the magic in Minneapolis continue!
In case you didn’t get enough humiliation last week, the Utah game is being re-broadcast on Pac-12 Net tonight at 10:00 pm.
After yesterday I am needing: cell phone, flat screen tv, new door for my office, new sofa for my office and a car windshield. We’re hoping the cat might come home. J Wilcox
I’m impressed you have internet at all. I figured you would just send angry letters
Only caught the end at Clods, glad we have a running game
Didn’t realize Sharp is like 21 as a redhirt frosh. Nice to see that he’ll be a 25 year old Sr anchoring the defense if he continues to progress.
Why is he that old? Mormon missionary kid?
Mission. I had him ranked as a 4-star in ’16.
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Riley Sharp — Incredible looking pass catching TE with good speed. Not sure if he can block. Heard he is going on a mission, so they’ll have to re-recruit him if that’s true. Major talent who would consistently beat LBs if he remained at TE.
Just change it to “consistently beat OL.”
Always been super stoked about him. Where’s he been all year?
Getting into football shape after spending 2+ years not playing football. He was behind some guys on the depth chart and not expected to play alot this year since we started the year with so much linebacker depth. But after several injuries, he’s getting some time and making the most of it.
He’s a bigger dude than I expected. Glad he’s getting his chance to shine.
Sandberg was a bright spot yesterday too. He was the JC D-end we out recruited Incarnate Ward for, and he’s been recovering from a knee injury. He looked like a capable rotation guy yesterday and should help provide some much needed defensive depth
Seems the team might have benefitted from Togiai moving to DE given his trouble catching the ball.
So Oregon State has a BYE this week; Arizona plays @ Stanford at 12:30 PM PT on the Pac-12 Network this Saturday. Arizona has a BYE week following the Oregon State game. Beavers will get the full focus of Arizona next week with no chance of a “trap game” from Arizona. Arizona is on a 2 game losing streak since beating Colorado on the road 35-30. Their losses consist of Washington @ home 51-27 and then @ USC 41-14. It will be interesting to see how the Wildcats “bounce back” against Stanford. The matchup is what matters the most in this game. Khalil Tate is a mobile QB who can throw on the run as well. Arizona’s backfield appears to be RB by committee with Khalil Tate using his legs to get positive yards on scrambles and designed runs. They have close to the same rushing yards as they do passing yards on the season. Looking at their passing yards allowed, 310.1 ypg. As long as Luton is consistent and puts 3-4 full quarters together, Oregon State should come out with another road victory. Our defense is getting better each week and having 2 weeks to prepare for another road trip and to work on getting players healthy and keep their focus after a win will be a positive.
I’m riding the hype train of this team being an improved team each week.
My prediction will come next week after seeing the Arizona @ S(t)anford outcome. (Pac-12 Networks left the “t” out of Stanford on one of the graphics of the Pac-12 Standings)
Tate might not even be playing. He was benched in the USC during the 3rd quarter. Their defense seems terrible. Giving up 30 points to Colorado is hard to do.
Sumlin’s quote was “there is no QB controversy, we were getting blown out and wanted Gunnell to get some game experience.”
So basically, what everyone was clamoring for JS to do against Utah.
Maybe AZ is playing Sanford instead…it could happen.