297 COMMENTS

  1. Last man standing today. Beavs don’t have much pitching left. Unproven guys will have to step up and throw career games. No sense in risking Abel with his injury history.

    Dbu has arms left but I don’t think any are quality.

    Mental game as well. How much did last night’s game build or destroy the players psyche? We saw what it did to Arkansas in the cws. Beavs should be able to wipe out the top of 9 debacle quickly.

    Seems like first team to knock out the starter will have a large advantage.

    • Good stuff, Bill.
      Claunch has to be tired and today he may have to handle a pitcher with limited experience; big challenge both physically and mentally. On both O and D he is a key, hope he slept well.

      Thinking it will take more than 6 runs to win today.

  2. Do they reseed in the CWS? The way I’m reading the bracket, we would potentially play Nike in the first game in Omaha if we both advance.

  3. We are running fairly low on pitchers. Looking at pitch counts over the regional here are the guys who have pitched that we can probably ask to do some more.

    Abel* Likely starter even though everyone is shitting on the idea. 3 days rest. I’m fine with him starting but short leash.
    Watkins – 41 pitches against Mcneese, 2 full days rest
    Washburn – 13 Pitches vs Mcnesse, 8 vs TCU.
    Salgado – 12 Pitches vs TCU
    Burns – Maybe? 35 great pitches against TCU
    Hjerpe – Pretty unlikely but he has had 2 days rest on 80 something pitches.
    Mullholland – Pitched everyday but longest outing was 15. He should be fine

    Guys who haven’t pitched yet
    Reid – 18 IP this season
    Lattery – 6.1 IP this season
    Giblin – Not seen this season
    Keyes – 2 IP this season
    Brown – Not seen
    Hunter – 12 IP this season
    Lawson – 56 IP this season. Probably the best un-unsed guy so far.
    Thorsteninson – 2/3 IP this season.

    Defnitely should not be seen;
    Pfennings
    Verburg,
    Townsend
    Frisch
    Mundt

    • I’d start Salgado since DBU hasn’t seen him from the batters box. Probably follow with Lawson.
      Not sure Verburg, Frisch, and Mundt are off the table.

    • No to Abel. Not worth risking his elbow for this particular game. Maybe in game three of the cws but not here. He would be personally risking his professional future and all future earnings.

    • I would like to think that the reason they pulled Burns after two innings of superb pitching is to save him for today’s game. Abel, Pfennings and Hjerpe should not see the mound today — too little rest and, in Abel’s case, too inconsistent to be counted on. I’d like to see Burns start with Watkins, Washburn and Salgado in relief and Mundt the closer.
      Go Beavs!

  4. I dunno on Abel. Wonder if his doctor has some sort of rest period after an outing for him? That is why I would have preferred one of the other starters go game 1. Salgado seems like he should be able to go multiple innings.

    • I’m just guessing that they will roll with Abel. They have shown him massive faith all year despite only have a few good games. Thst said if Good Abel shows up and puts in 50 pitches I would be absolutely thrilled.

      Assuming guys have good days I didn’t my see any reason why you couldn’t peice something together with Watkins, Salgado, Lawson and Mully.

  5. As retweeted by Daschel:
    Originally from Ryan Starwalt,
    Fire Tinkle chants=Elite 8
    Fire Canham=regional championship game
    I vote Beavers “fans” start the Fire Smith thing early so that we can book those Rose Bowl tickets!

  6. OT: interior lineman Luli apparently loved his OSU visit, including the school, town, staff, and overall feel. He was clear their are non-football facility criteria important to him, and his parents apparently loved it too. Longshot, but it sounds like he was very impressed.

    Maybe NiceBeaver has some info!

    • I’ll take any 4 star linemen please. Hopefully one of the criteria is staying driving distance from home. They would eliminate a huge segment of competition.

  7. From the official team site:

    • The Oregon State pitching staff combined for 23 strikeouts in the wins over TCU and Dallas Baptist, and in the process, set a new single-season record.
    • The staff has struck out 603 batters in 60 games, surpassing the previous record of 596 during the 2018 season. That 2018 team set the record in 68 games.
    • The 603 strikeouts rank 10th nationally and first in the Pac-12.

    • Watching the games this weekend, it seemed to be a strikeout or a walk. I wouldn’t mind trying to get more ground ball outs rather than walks. It’s like the pitching inside is aggressive but then staying away is the complete opposite and leading to the high amount of walks.

      • Somebody else posted recently: “put the ball in play, trust your D!”

        I wonder if it was a record year for walks? 6 in a row might have been a record for consecutive walks?

  8. So should we still fire Canham? He’s a terrible coach, these games were way too close, lol… as you know I am being sarcastic but the Canham haters are sure quiet after us taking the regional.

    • I agree the Canham haters are a little misguided but I’d really prefer not to talk about it claim us taking the regional yet.

    • Theres still been plenty of bad/weird decisions and calls all season and in the regional. I have never been on the fire Canham train but pretending its all good cause he got a W is wrong too. He needs to be accountable and learn from mistakes. If he does the program becomes another juggernaut.

      • Nuc, I guess that is my point. A lot of people immediately wrote Canham off. Of course he is gonna make mistakes. Hell MLB managers do it all of the time. This stuff isn’t black and white. People speculating when he makes these decisions is silly. We have no clue about the info he has. I think the fact that we are overachieving should not be lost. Regardless of the “mistakes”, this team is playing better than their talent level, that’s the mark of a good coach.

    • Still need to win today to “take regional”. I’ve been on Canham bandwagon but he’s almost fucked this up with repeated questionable decisions. Lucky for him Forrester erased what was an absolute coaching mess yesterday. I’m rooting for Mitch to learn and improve while keeping the momentum Casey built going. A win today would be a huge boost to recruiting and faith in Mitch. A return trip to Omaha would be an incredible boost… imagine ducks losing to LSU and Beavs getting to play Virginia/ODU in Eugene for CWS bid.

    • He had some dumb quote that makes me think Canham still believes it was the right call to pitch to Glenn. I have never been on the fire Canham bandwagon though. I think it’d be a disaster to fire him this early in his tenure and I said as much. I think he is doing a lot of things right or else the Beavers wouldn’t be where they are at. But he is definitely no chess playing master in game adjuster. I do remind people that Casey had some head scratching management decisions too. I think that is just always going to be the case, the dumb decisions stand out and even the best managers are bound to make one or two dumb ones… and sometimes the dumb decisions pan out beautifully.

      • Well said. I will also throw in that Corvallis is not a coaching or even real baseball destination. We succeed in spite of all the disadvantages. If a coach can pick between a power house team south of Colorado and us they are going to pick a team south of Colorado unless they have a connection to Corvallis. We are an absolute outlier in college baseball

      • Of course it’s easy to call out the Glen situation because you know the outcome. Again, not so black and white. Pretty easily could of walked Glen and then had to face their 3/4 hitters with two men on. Both of those hitters are also left handed, so it would have been a bad matchup there. Not to mention Glen is hitting .350 against all pitching. I am sure he has different avgs between LHP and RHP. I am gonna guess his split is worse against RHP then the 3/4 hitters split against RHP.

        I guess what I am trying to illustrate is, these are not easy decisions. And to say it was wrong based on the outcome is foolish to say the least. Any successful gambler or stock market player knows this. It’s no different in sports or life period.

        • The difference was that the 3 hitter was a bench player all year. Normal 3 hitter had left the game with an injury. So the math would have said walk the batter and let Mulholland pitch to the lefty.

        • Yeah I think Mully would have faced a pinch hitter had he walked Glenn. And your right they could have walked Glenn then given up a 3 run homer. Why I say sometimes you make the dumb decision and it pans out, sometimes you make the smart decision and it blows up in your face and you lose. Still think the smart decision was to walk Glenn. Mitch seems huge on the lefty righty thing. I assume he has access to splits, not every hitter has that much preference.

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            You all could be right. I guess I am hesitant to call it a bad call because I don’t have all the info that Mitch had. Very well could have been a dumb move or a good one. We lose or extend the game to extras if we give up more than one. The LHP/RHP is and will always be a thing. Anybody who has faced a side armer on their side knows what I am taking about. Check out Randy Johnson and Larry Walker all star game. And I agree the splits don’t always go that way. There are some guys who can only hit guys pitching on the same side and vice versa. Again, hard to know why the decision was made without all the information needed to make that call.

    • Yes. We’d have won more games during the regular season and won these post-season games more comfortably with just an average coach.

      Post season has been a clear exercise in “winning in spite of him” not because of him.

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        Correction, we would have not qualified for the post season with an average coach and this talent.

        We have one one top 200 MLB draft prospect in Abel. Go look at Casey’s teams, always more than one.

        Seems like a head coach is a meaningless position in your mind. Apparently there are all these amazing coaches out there that just need a job and we ended up with a below avg one, right? Lol… for such a meaningless position it’s crazy we can’t find another once in a lifetime coach like Casey out there. You never fail to amaze me.

  9. Heavy thunderstorms in the DFW area. Supposedly, clearing around 4:30 p.m. CDT. Game is most likely delayed to early evening CDT.

  10. Campbell had runners on second and third with no outs. The batter had two strikes and went ahead and bunted. The bunt went right in front of the plate. The catcher threw the ball to first for an easy out and the runners couldn’t advance. Prior to that, Campbell did a double steal to get the runners over. Bad throw from catcher otherwise runner going to third would have easily been out. In conclusion, managers make wonky moves. Miss. St. letting runners get on base constantly. The more I watch other teams, the more I think the Beavs are a top 20 team, maybe top 10 if their pitching keeps going well.

    • Makes sense. They’ll have to hope to get three innings out of him.

      I imagine Salgado will be the first out of the pen and he goes as long as he can. Then whoever is left.

      • If Salgado/Townsend can push to the 6th then we have Watkins, Mully, Lawson and Mundt who could all team up to close out the game.

    • Agree. I won’t watch MLB until they ditch the covid rules and all the covid starts and stops and figure out how to get more than 3 outcomes. Hint: move the mound back 1ft and ban the new substances.

  11. Is this new injury info or already known that DBU missing their two best hitters (usually bat 3rd and 4th) due to injury, Grady and Moore. Grady played some yesterday. Let’s go boys!

  12. DBU starting a pitcher who’s longest outing was 2 innings once, early in the season. All recent outings have been 1 inning but hasn’t given up a run in his last 5 outings. We’ll how long he can be effective. We’ll likely see Andy Pettites son in the game too.

    That’s what three MLB pitcher’s sons on the mound in this regional?

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      More that you continue to say incredibly stupid and baseless things and expect everyone to rave about your brilliance.

      You are the idiot that loved Andersen, your opinion on everything coach related is meaningless drivel just based on that take.

  13. Oregon has this reputation for being a wet and unfriendly place for baseball, but every year the post season comes around and we end up seeing ballparks in Texas and the Southeast that are saturated and every year there are a ton of weather delays in those regions.

  14. Freaking small ball early. Man I hate it.

    But also as I’m typing this, we score the runner from second. Ha!

  15. I think DBU is in trouble with pitchers. If the guy they have starting is getting smacked around by our batters its trouble.

    • He might just be the freshest and they’ll turn to better guys that have logged more innings over the weekend. Still a crapshoot, but they’ll probably have better stuff.

      This guy hasn’t done horribly with 1 ER in 2 innings.

  16. Just FYI on the Discord stream. If the beavs win this one stay in it. I’ll stream any game that isn’t free.

  17. Here’s where the Beavs can break DBU. Jump all over the new reliever and force them to put in another guy. Basically make them not be able to pitch 9 innings.

    • Just reminds me how gentile beavo fans are. Every time I see them play away in these scenarios, the opposing fans look/sound like complete dbags. Beav fans are always so polite, applaud the competitors, etc. Weird dynamic

      • ITs one of the things I have always liked about Oregon State. Minus some football games the crowd is usually pretty accepting and respectful. Its a sporting event you can take kids to.

    • You should try attending a game at Goss and sit behind home plate. There is a guy who is just as terrible. Just heckles the umpires non stop, calls them by their first and last name. He does it no matter what kind of situation, even if the game is out of hand.

    • Agreed, especially when the goal should be getting pitch counts up. Got him to 40 pitches…can’t see him going past 50 or so. Need long AB’s.

      • I’d wouldn’t swing at anything until they throw the first strike and then I’d be sitting on fastball. no one has consistently through offspeed for called strike with this ump’s zone.

  18. Watkins got Glenn with some serious big boy pants pitching. I can already see Anderson trying to recruit him to his beer league flag football team the War Boys

  19. I feel kinda bad for DBU. It seems like they are trying to work the pitchers counts up and get into some softer parts of the bullpen…just saw Salgado is warming up lol

    • “ I feel kinda bad for DBU.”

      Don’t.

      Pat Casey Head Baseball Coach Pat Casey would never had tolerated such weakness.

  20. The saturday thread didn’t age well. Oof. Go Beavs. Listening on the radio and Mike Parker is doing his best to keep his emotions down, he’s making the TV announcers sound like Beaver homers.

  21. Beavs got the lead and now are not aggressive and look like they hope to just hang on. They are making this pitcher look like a ace.

  22. That Salgado dude is from TX and has pitched garbage in both outings. I wonder if friends/family are getting to his head. #sportspsychologist

  23. Well Burn’s is still raining down fire. Love his emotion on a strike out. Maybe his effort will inspire the bats.

    • Eventually the team can’t keep bailing out the coach. Should be the other way around with a good head man. Players should be put in the best position to succeed.

  24. Didn’t Mundt throw like 50 pitches yesterday, too? Hard to ask him to come in and be good. Had to be a better option. Even Mulholland there is not a bad play given he didn’t throw many pitches and it’s the highest leverage situation we’d likely see.

  25. The “no Mitch” moment for me was when I tuned in for my first 15 minutes (not because I didn’t want to watch, but I was very busy) and he didn’t know to walk a guy to load the bases and setup a DP. I didn’t need any other information. If you don’t know how to play that situation, eventually baseball is going to catch up to you. Almost did last night. His team bailed him out and won in spite of him. That’s still on the table, but hopefully it’s obvious for all to see now. I know “we’re stuck with him” but he’s really clueless, and I don’t think a dynasty should have to hire a guy who needs to learn on the job. I find it hard to believe Casey recommended this guy. I actually think Barney has a better makeup for a HC.

  26. “Fire Canham” bandwagon filling up! Get on while you can!

    How can Canham have been a champion catcher under Casey and have such an odd approach to in-game coaching adjustments?

  27. It’s just like the ball always finding and exposing the weakest defender. Probabilities and odds will eventually find bad decisions.

  28. Even though they won three in a row, there have been opportunities to add-on runs throughout the tournament that didn’t happen, so that may bite them in the ass here at the end.

  29. So we go up 5-0, lose 8-5. That’s on management. Red flags everywhere.

    I hate to see the players go out this way.

    • Or it could be that Dallas Baptist forced our pitching to throw strikes and they just couldn’t. Management can put every pitcher on the staff on the mound. If they can’t throw strikes, especially with little available. That’s a problem.

  30. Dumb to pitch Abel game 1. Hjerpe could have had 1 more days rest since I assume they knew Abel can’t pitch on short rest anyway.

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    Ever see the Seinfeld where Jerry wants to date his girlfriend’s roommate and they try to pull off “The Switch”?
    That’s how I feel about Canham and Barney. Like, how do we get rid of him and get someone more logical in there?

  32. I quit watching after the Duck series, but they sucked me back in. I just find their style of play boring. Pitchers who nimble too much and too many takes on the offensive side. Lots of at-bats that weren’t competitive.

    • Plus the poor feel for when to pull or to ride out a hot pitcher. Burns struggles with control. Yesterday he had it and they should have rode him out and saved the other arms.

  33. Claunch and Mexkler haven’t really showed up this regional. Both under .200. Fuchs with the timely hr but he’s batting .214. Too many walks. Too many hit batters. Hasn’t gotten any better as the season progressed either. Can’t wait to see how Dorman can add to those totals next year.

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    So let me get this straight… if pitchers pitch well than it’s no credit to the coach… if the hitters hit well it’s no credit to the coach… if the fielders field well, than it’s no the credit to the coach… however if pitchers walk people, hitters don’t hit, and fielders make errors it’s the HC’s fault? Just trying to wrap my head around this silly measuring stick.

    The fact that people think Mitch doesn’t know what a double play is puzzling to me. Perhaps he might know a little more about baseball than you. Might be something to consider It’s not like he’s won championships or worked at MLB level.

    For all these expert coaches on here:
    1. Did you play the sport at all? If you did at what level?
    2. Have you ever coached any sport? If so, how did you do?

    From what I see the baseball knowledge isn’t with most folks on this blog. They are talking about a game they don’t even understand or ever played for that manor. Most probably played in elementary school and have this “always walk in this situation”, bunt here, etc… the reality is, it’s a much deeper sport. I encourage folks to educate themselves and then you’ll have a better understanding.

    I am not saying Canham did everything right by any means. NO coach does because it’s a complicated game. But to say he is an average coach shows that you have an average understanding of the game

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            Bill, I’ve been on here for awhile… 8 or so years lol… oh I know ol Angry well… he just used to find real issues and i appreciated it… now he’s like any politician, finds a non issue, makes it an issue and this gets mad because it’s a non issue lol

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            So that “elite” bullpen that walked all those players today was the HC’s fault?

            There is this thing called fatigue. But I shouldn’t tell you that. You probably played 5 games 4 days in a row before. Super easy right?

            Judging the whole season on the outcome of one game “TCU” shows me how you view the game. This isn’t football angry, series matter. We won 3/5 against teams with better star players. Anybody who knows what a double play is should know that is a good season. But here you are, being that guy again.

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            Way to side step that one. I’ll phrase it another way. What guy from that “elite” bullpen will get drafted and how high do you think he will go?

            You can’t sit here and talk about game management when the talent is the issue. Now that could be a coaching issue too because of recruiting. That remains to be seen.

            You see our limitations this year as 100% on the coaches. Where I don’t see that at all, I see more of the blame on the talent. If you can’t see the talent difference between this team and teams of the past then you probably should watch more than 15min of a game you are talking on.

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            The talent was good enough to win the regional if the HC didn’t keep getting in the way. That’s a really lame excuse and totally subjective. The managerial decisions aren’t subjective. That’s why a lot of people here turned on Mitch today and realize he’s a liability.

    • Gotta blame someone! It’s human instinct! For football, it’s always the OC that gets the blame when the offense goes bad.

      Name some names if you’re going to call people out too!

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        I guess that was my frustration, is they are trying to assign blame on someone during a really successful season. IMO, we really overachieved with our talent level. That doesn’t mean we stay at this talent level, we will improve. It’s okay to be bitter but being negative just to be negative gets really old. When we do this, we start sounding like the fans to the south of us sadly.

  35. Well, team actually outperformed my expectations in the regional. TBH, I didn’t have us making the tourney. Yeah, RPI was nice but we lostall those series except the early Gonazaga and GCU games and were what, 3-11 coming into the weekend? For them to win 3 (should’ve won today imo) was way more than I expected.

    Season long issues with the league leading hit batters and top 3 or 4 in walks and inconsistent offense just too much to overcome. I’d like to see Dorman go, the amount of strike outs was a season record but as mentioned, walks and hit batters were as well not to mention the many questionable calls to pull the hot pitcher or leave guys in way too long (6 straight walks the other game right? Something like that) and those decisions happened all season. Too much Sabre analytics going on IMO. #’s are super fun and exciting but sometimes it pays to just know and have confidence that your player can do the job vs sticking to the #’s 24/7.

    I do like some of the core talent. Melton. Forrester. Meckler. Dernede showed flashes this weekend. Boyd. I like Gretler over Dukart at 3rd. Have some really promising arms if we could get a diff pitching coach that would be stellar. I think Abel should come back but I also think he’d be better served in the minors with different pitching coaches

    Disappointed to have the season end, but I think we punched above our weight class this weekend. Look forward to what next season brings.

  36. Bittersweet end to the season. I’m pretty happy with the way this team battled in the regional. They ended up doing better than I expected. But man it’s hard to swallow giving up a 5 run lead to lose by 3 due to allowing sooo many walks. I can’t help but think a better strategy with our pitchers today could have prevented that.

    • Yep, it could’ve. There were other arms to go to vs running the same pitchers from yesterday. But we also reverted back to our non-timely hitting with RISP. Glad we made the post season but if we didn’t have an easy first half the season, I don’t think we would’ve. The 3 wins in the regional don’t cancel out losing all the series in the last 6 weeks and entering this weekend with a blistering hot .400 record since the UC Irvine series. And we got swept by the Ducks. If they start to have more success than us in baseball, I’ll freak out. Lol.

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      But CJ, we have a terrible coach. Who makes terrible decisions and makes players play terrible. It just isn’t right, we should be outraged and not happy with this team at all. We are headed to the dumpster after this year! *sarcasm font*

      • The reality is an unranked team that many here said didn’t deserve to be in the tournament, a team from a so-called cold weather region and a town that is so hideous as to be compared unfavorably to Tempe Arizona for God’s sake, beat all three teams in the regional, including eliminating the No. 8 team in the nation on its own field. The Beavers played five games in three-and-a-half days and were an inning away from winning the whole thing. Had they faced DBU a second time with even somewhat fresh pitching, I am convinced they would have won and advanced to the super regional, where they would have shown a weak Virginia team the door to make it to the CWS, again. I am optimistic that the Beavers are on the right track for next year, especially if a few players stick around and the return to a normal-sized line-up causes guys to focus a little more, including the pitchers. Go Beavs!

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