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Fall Camp & Depth Chart

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Below is my depth chart. I think it’s the best team we can field. Bold names are guys who are primed to move up the depth chart in camp and/or guys I prefer over the mainstream, consensus pick for that position.

Offense:

QB: Gebbia, Noyer
RB: Fenwick (Baylor as pass catcher, but Lowe should make a move here).
WR: Harrison, Beason, Bradford (Dunmore needs to play, so 4WR sets and/or subbing him in often). Tongue in the same boat. Lindsey is still in the mix with an attitude adjustment and consistent hands.
TE: Overman (Musgrave was a good prospect but hasn’t shown much, and Overman is a potential beast. If he has a good camp, start him). Either guy is an offensive upgrade.
C: Eldridge
OT: Kipper, Gray
OG: Keobounnam, Levengood

Defense:

DT: Schad, Skelton
DE: Hodgins, Sandberg, Lolohea, Shippen, Reichner (Lolohea could be a breakout)
ILB: Roberts, Speights
OLB: Gumbs, Sharp, Hughes-Murray, McCartan (note: Gumbs likely gets hurt again). Kady a guy to watch in camp.
S: Julian, Grant, Arnold (huge fan of Julian thinks he makes a big difference).
CB: Wright, Jones, Grant (Jones will be interesting could be very good).

Special Teams:

PT: Loecher? No clue.
PK: Hayes
PR: Bradford
KR: Lindsey

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    Agree on going with young talent at TE. Wasn’t impressed last year.

    Angry- thoughts on Tongue? What about D Collins at RB?

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      I like Collins. Any idea why he isn’t listed on the official roster (osubeavers.com)?

      This is what I wrote about him: Damir Collins – I agree with the high 3-star rating, despite the nice offer sheet and accolades. He runs a bit upright for my taste and waves the ball around (fumble issues in Pac?) while running at top speed. I like him, but he doesn’t appear elite.

      I love Tongue and Dunmore. Ideally both replace Beason and Bradford. They’re just superior athletes. But I think learning the playbook and gelling is what prevents that, and why I have the two further down the depth chart. We need to watch them both closely in camp to see if they learn fast, gel, and make a move. We’d be so physical at WR with Harrison, Dunmore, and Tongue. We’d have three 4-star WRs who are all physical specimens.

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        I think Collins isn’t listed yet because they’re still showing the spring roster, and haven’t put out the updated fall one yet. So unless the freshmen enrolled early none of them would show up there at this point.

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        I take it from your comments that you prefer Dunmore to Tongue? Tongue had the advantage of spring camp and more time in the system, though I think with injuries he didn’t get a lot of reps.

        I think Beason will be special. My prediction is he’ll be the best of the group (best of a very strong group).

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          Hard to say because I’ve only seen them play on film. I like Dunmore’s film a little more, though. Still like Tongue (TWSS).

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      Quitoriano is a 4 year starter and probably the best blocking TE in the league. Yes both Musgrave and Overman are the better receivers but not as physical of players. Teagan has been solid in his limited opportunities at receiver.

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        That’s fine. He can block here and there on critical downs.

        If we want the best TE, most dynamic, and scariest for opponents it’s Overman. If we start Q because of experience or blocking we’re doing opponents a favor.

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        I’m not convinced TQ is a worse receiver. Musgrave had more dropped balls. I just think the young guys have higher potential but they have not proven to be better on the field yet.

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          Neither was where we need our TE1 to be. Musgrave and Overman are more athletic than TQ, so they would seem to have more potential ability to get open and be a threat farther down the field.

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            Overman’s 1 catch was for 19 yards, and I think Q averages like 13 per. Irrelevant sample size, but supports Overman getting a good look in camp and getting the nod if he proves a bigger threat. He should be. He’s way more athletic.

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            Seems like, with Overman being a bigger passing threat and Q being a physically imposing run blocker, a 2 TE singleback set should be the base offense.

            This roster is too good to not be a run-first team.

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        • I still like the 1 2 punch with Quitoriano and Musgrave. I think Musgrave just had some young mental lapses with his drops and will prove more sure handed. Quitoriano is good for blocking and then every onve in awhile you sneak him out for a big play once they’ve forgotten about him.

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            I like the 1 2 punch of Overman and Musgrave. Q should be a blocker. He’s an okay receiver, but if we want to stretch the field even more I don’t think he’s the guy. Overman is so much more dynamic and athletic. Musgrave looked stiff for whatever reason last year, but in his HS film he doesn’t look this way. Wonder if he bulked up too much or something and it’s negatively effecting him.

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            Well apparently Musgrave has gotten even bigger so there’s that. I don’t like having the 1 2 punch of 2 receiver first TEs. Might as well go 3 wide with the talent they have at WR that will be a bigger mismatch if you have a Dunmore or a Tongue as your 3rd or 4th receiver.

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  4. Also people seem to think Collins is way better than our other RBs. He was only rated slightly higher than Madison and Newell and rated quite a bit lower than Lowe out of highschool. Lowe and him have similar games as well so I would be surprised to see him play a lot with the depth at RB.

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      Agree Collins and Lowe look like similar skill sets, and Lowe is probably ahead of him. We’ll know more on who made a leap in the offseason in a few days.

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      I’ve watched all of our rb highlight reels and my notes on Collins are that he has elite vision/instincts and elite acceleration. He hits the hole very very fast which would be great as a change of pace and possibly a home run threat.

      Newell is the best man amongst boys prospect on the depth chart and Fenwick is the best grinder. Madison is somewhere in the middle and I have no idea what he can do. If Baylor can stay healthy he’s a huge threat, the guy just hates going down.

      Lowe is a weird one. His game hasn’t translated well into college and seems to have trouble making guys miss at this level.

      Martinez is a guy I’m extremely excited for in the future. He’s got the work ethic to be a good player at the next level and his game translates well, patient runner who hits defenders as hard as they hit him.

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      • Its hard to say collins has elite vision when the running lane is the size of a highway and you better hit it at high speed.

        Lowe hasn’t had much chance as he’s been hurt or had to sit out most his career.

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        • Meh, watching his video he makes plenty of impressive cuts to space. He does have a habit of getting to the outside. I am a bit disappointed that he shrank 2” and lost 11 lbs compared to his recruiting profile.

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          • IDK if I would say he does anything ELITE as you said in his highlights IMHO. I’m still unsure how his game will translate to the P5 level where the holes are much smaller and will have to deal with contact.

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    Mostly a lurker here, but I ran into a player and he mentioned that Gebbia would not be suiting up this fall due to injury. Curious if anyone’s heard anything similar? The player went on to say that Noyer was by far and away our best QB and that Fenwick was our best back by some distance as well. We’ll see how things shake out here over the next few weeks, but was interesting to hear as I hadn’t heard anything about Gebbia not being ready to go.

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      That sucks. What I like about Noyer in the film I watched was he seems a natural leader. Seems like a guy who can will a team to victory. Gebbia has better skills, but he doesn’t really have that chip on his shoulder.

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        A week ago, Daschel reported Gebbia would be good to go when camp starts. I think it was info he got from Coach Smith at Pac12 media day.

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            Not being 100% 8 months after a hamstring injury seems concerning to me from a sports medicine perspective. Did we not treat him well, or did he not follow his medical advice in an attempt to rush his recovery?

            In the NFL, the worst hamstring injuries I can think of tend keep the players out for 4-6 weeks. Normally it’s 1-2. 8 months, and significant enough to be affecting a QB (who’s not cutting or generally running hard) seems very strange.

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            Didn’t he have a tear? Depending on the size that can be a looonnnggg recovery. He had surgery for it which isn’t common for a typical hamstring issue.

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          • https://www.mercy.com/health-care-services/orthopedics-sports-medicine-spine/specialties/knee-leg/conditions/hamstring-tear-strain

            Recovery from a hamstring tear or strain
            The first phase of recovery is working to decrease the inflammation in the pulled muscle. The second phase of recovery works to build the normal supply of blood to the affected area. The final stage in the recovery process from a hamstring tear or strain works to repair the muscle that will allow the person to resume day-to-day activities.

            Mild to moderate (grade 1 or 2) tears or strains can heal within three to eight weeks with diligent home therapy. For a grade 3 hamstring tear or strain, recovery may be as long as three months.

            Grade 3 is the most severe condition listed. Up to 3 months is a lot shorter than 8 months…saw other articles collaborating the timeframe on the high end. The average NFL athlete that suffers a hamstring injury misses only 13 days.

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          • Though you’re right that surgery is definitely not typical. I’m not sure I’ve ever heard of a football player getting surgery for a hamstring tear. I still have a lot of questions about the whole situation…

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            I know some track athletes who’s careers essentially ended from a grade 3 (had surgery like Gebbia). One had a full tear though which is horrendous. He was a gifted jumper but never got back to his old marks cause he never was able to get the same tension through his left leg to compensate his quads on the plant. His recovery was about 18 months at a PAC 12 school.

            Idk what Gebbia’s exact injury was but if I see surgery on a hamstring I’m worried about it ever being right again or additional ligament and tendon damage. Hamstrings are the rubber band that hold the assembly together, if it’s a weak point you are in trouble as an elite athlete.

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          • Interesting- good to know. My knowledge of sports injuries is mostly limited to the NFL which I follow closely, and I’ve just never heard of a hamstring injury requiring that much time to heal. Maybe the severity of tears is mitigated by diligence around conditioning, stretching, nutrition, etc? Not sure.

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      This is what I’ve heard too. Had a chance to talk with my son’s buddy who’s on the team and he said Gebbia is “trash”… 3rd or 4th best QB talent on team injury or not. There’s a reason they have a spot for Noyer. Not worth debating with Angry on this since he’s all in with Gebbia but the coaches know we must do better at QB in order to get over the hump.

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        We have to get better at QB. No debate. It’s just which guy that is. Noyer was total trash last year – he’s your guy? He’s feisty and plays with a chip on his shoulder, but he also wasn’t recruited by anyone and had a 6:8 TD to INT ratio. If the benchmark is last year, and you want to shit talk Gebbia based on last year, then you better look at the reality (total shit) that was Noyer.

        I like all of our QBs. I think they all take a leap and the game slows down for them all. Experience and another year always do this.

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            Well I’m not going to argue against a guy who is feisty and a natural leader (probably why he got the votes), but his career numbers are 6TDs and 9INTS.

            He was worse than Gebbia last year. Gebbia 118.7 QBR and Noyer 116.4, TD to INT ratio, etc…all worse.

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          • Yes but to go and say total shit is a bit harsh. I think part of the votes is his rushing and probably at critical moments to keep drives alive and win games.

            I’m not saying he’s better. Whoever plays the best in fall should play. I find it hard to believe someone on the team is saying gebbia is shit and 3rd 4th best QB when Nolan looks clearly worse.

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            If you look at the QBs on the squad, it’s really not that hard to imagine Gebbia is 3rd or 4th QB talent on the team… even if you don’t count Noyer. My thought is they’ll start the year with a veteran (Gebbia if healthy, Nolan, or Noyer) until Vidlak gets enough practice reps to take the reigns.

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          Nope, Noyer is not my guy… but doesn’t that say something about what coaches think of Gebbia? Sheesh, too easy to get you going these days Angry. Sorry, I should know Gebbia is off limits. Go Beavs:-)

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    • Nice.

      Madison! Lolohea putting in the work to make my expected move!
      Muscle weighs more than fat, so hopefully it’s just that with all these guys.

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        Nice to see Sio dropping some weight. If he’s needed in the rotation at DT, 365 is less sustainable than 347.

        Shippen going 290+ bodes well, too.

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      Some big time improvements. Faamoe is almost 300. I wondered if he could do that and play DT when he signed. Skelton up to 312 is huge. Shipped is almost 300 too which is great. Thank God Reichner put on 17 as he had gotten very light for the DL position in a 3-4.

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    A few big gains I didn’t see mentioned yet.

    McCartan up 17 lbs to 243
    Ryan Franke up 31 lbs to 247
    Semisi Saluni up 29 lbs to 264 (from recruiting profile)
    John Miller up 19 lbs to 220
    Junior Walling up 14 lbs to 230
    Michael Erhart up 18 lbs to 235
    James Rawls up 24 lbs to 292!
    Sione Lolohea up 15 lbs to 265
    Simon Sandberg up 15 lbs to 298

    For the first time in who knows how long we have a power 5 sized defense boys.

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      This is very encouraging to see these gains this year. I think we have at least 6 or more guys 290 plus which gives them decent size and depth at the DL.

      Kipper put on 15 which I hope he’s getting ready for the NFL and has a breakout season. He should be an all league player.

      Madison put on 21 which makes him pretty big. Gives the team a nice balance of backs with different sizes and strengths.

      ILB is good to see the young guys put on the size needed to contribute at this level.

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        Im really impressed with the size of the OL guys in the last three classes.

        Buckles 286, White 304, Fuaga 325, Darling 342, Morano 264 (project), Ferenczi 303. That and two of the likely starters Levengood and Gray are from Smiths first class. That’s way more beef than we ever got under Riley or Anderson.

        Target DT size should be 315-350. Skelton and Sio are both hitting that now.

        Target DE should be 280-315. Shippen, Schad, Fa’amoa, Rawls, Sandberg and Anderson all hitting the mark.

        Hodgins and Riechner will likely play a bunch in the Mid 270 range.

        That’s 10 dude rotation of legit DL size for a 3-4 Defense. I think this year will be a step change in total yards, rushing yards, points given up and turnovers taken.

        Next year we lose Schad and Riechner but gain Wright and another year of gym time for the guys in the program. Future looks good for having a nasty defense again.

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    Saw the 2 starting CBs for oregon were caught driving around shooting random pedestrians with airsoft guns in Eugene last night. Wonder if they get kicked off the team or just temporarily suspended? They’re lucky somebody didnt shoot back with something stronger.

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    I think these weight gains or losses show the work ethic of Smith’s recruits and the quality of the strength and conditioning staff.

    Also I think something that’s kind of forgotten about with depth is how it helps special teams. Backups are able to be on kickoff coverage and others keep other guys healthy and fresh while also getting experience without much drop off.

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    • I agree. One of my big hopes with Smith was a modernized strength & conditioning + nutrition. I know nutrition exists because of comments made by linemen since 2018. If we don’t see a bunch of fat dudes in September then I’m very confident that we finally have a legit weight room program.

      Even past special teams it ups the practice squad too. We have legit players on the practice squad making the team better. How much harder will the dbs have to work going up against Vidlak vs Moran? How much better will the OLine get with Fa’amoe, Lolohea and Hennessy going all out trying to get playing time? A shit load better then 240 lb walk ons.

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    It also shows what can happen when COVID doesn’t keep the team from being able to have off-season workouts and regular meals for players. All positives.

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      Yup, the feel I got last year is that many players focused heavily on cardio or ate Cheetos all summer. The weight changes were bizarre.

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        I think it was tough with players not allowed to be on campus for much of the offseason, and then with all the back and forth about when or if the season would be played. Lack of motivation, lack of accountability, lack of resources (gyms, nutrition, trainers)…makes sense that most players would fall behind, and some much more than others. This is the best explanation I have for the bizarre Hamilcar 2020 season.

        I was really hopeful about our prospects last year, and was very disappointed with the results. I think the number one reason was poor conditioning. I think that a lot of schools had the same problem, but in the absence of good conditioning, raw talent tends to win out. And we will never be known for great raw talent.

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    Thanks for the depth chart and all the responses.

    I suspect Fenwick with his size and ability (5.5 YPC last year) will end up starting, and Baylor will continue to be that guy that just seems to get key runs to move the chains when needed. There’s a lot of depth there at RB, and an opportunity to mix it up. I think a key will be prepping guys mentally to be effective with few carries per game as they all won’t have carries to “warm up” and get into a groove.

    I really hope the staff maximizes the WR talent. If we see Champ Flemings start come league play, that will be disappointing. The staff better have it nailed down going into the preseason finale against Idaho so they’re set going into league play.

    I think the combination of the bigger lines, and the bigger, unknown RB in Fenwick, and bigger WRs, will surprise teams.

    My hope for this season is at least 8 wins, including a combination of a 3-0 preseason, and ideally sweeping the PAC North.

    I think of 8 wins as clearly bowl-deserving season, and a win total that’s more likely to show real improvement and potential to recruits.

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      Id love to have a cart horse getting 15-20 touches a game and then trying to give other guys 2-3. Some of the backs like Lowe, Newell and Collins should be dangerous in space and possible home run threats
      Spread it out with all the talent and avoid injuries.

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      It’s hard to imagine Flemings seeing the field much given the influx of talent ahead of him. Probably just returns, which is a decent use for him, though I like Lindsey and Bradford better in that roll.

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        Depends on what the evaluation process is like. He was apparently camp MVP last year and got a lot of opportunities in-game at the start of the season because of it. Obviously he didn’t produce in that game time…I wonder if that will factor into their decision making for this season.

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          He has 3 career TDs, and 2 were vs Cal Poly in one game (if I remember right, one was a fluke where they blew the coverage)…his only other TD was vs WSU, one of the lower end teams. I think he’s proven he’s a tweener at this point. He should have gone to a DII school. It’s his level. Not blaming him; I blame Smith (edit: GA).

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    • RB will be interesting with a new coach and no clear starter heading in. All of the RBs were rated close to the same coming out of high school except Baylor lowere and Lowe higher than everyone. Everyone keeps saying Fenwick is so big but he is essentially the same size as Madison. Angry you say Baylor for 3rd down pass catching but that was one of Fenwicks standout abilities at SC. Fenwick and Baylor have the most playing time under their belt and Madison and Newell are still raw but could have a higher ceiling. Lowe could be the real change of pace back with his speed and different style if he can stay healthy. I think the Oline is going to make whoever look good ultimately.

      With champ he’s never shown that he has the elite speed and quickness to make up for his lack of size and think he needs to make way. I’m with angry that there are other players that have more upside in the return game.

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    Watched the Beavers media day with players. A few things mentioned of note.
    * Hodgins says all DL put on big weight which has been mentioned above.
    *Hodgins says that Sio is going to be a force and is one of the strongest guys on the team. Picking up the scheme well.
    *Grant says WRs that have stood out are Bradford and Gould. Said he thinks Gould is going to do some big things.
    *Kipper says OL expects to be the hardest working in the pac12 and would bet his life on it.
    *Beason thinks the pac12 hasn’t seen his YAC ability and feels like he can score every time. Good to hear the confidence. Usually when someone feels that way it’s for good reason.
    *team is more about constructive criticism and trying to help each other get better.

    Overall the team seems to have a good chemistry. The covid situation might’ve helped this team grow closer and appreciate each other more.

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    Noticed that the team is using the Catapult training systems to track workouts. Great to see the conditioning program using technology both for safety and analytics. Theres a bunch of research that shows simply tracking performance improves results.

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    I’m wondering if the Beavs are having trouble at the kicker position. Noticed they offered 2 different JC kickers the other day, and they’re following several transfer eligible kickers. Wonder if this means Hayes is hurt or if we just lack depth?
    We lost most pf our walkons this past offseason including a couple of potential kickers, so the depth issue makes sense.

    Turns out walkons didnt like having to go into debt to attend practice and not play, while taking online classes and also missing out on the college experience.

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      It still seems stupid to me that we offered the #1 K in the country…a PWO spot. Nothing communicates the fact you aren’t serious about recruiting the position when you aren’t even willing to extend a scholarship.

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  20. OT. Wow, Josh Allen gets a new deal in Buffalo:

    “…contract was worth $258 million with $150 million guaranteed. The latter figure would set a record for the most in NFL history.

    At $43 million per season, his contract’s new money trails only that of Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes in average annual value.

    The pact keeps Allen, who has two years remaining on his current deal after the Bills exercised his fifth-year option, under contract with Buffalo through 2028.”

    From JC to U of Wyoming to $150M+…..

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      Bills better win soon. Gonna be like Russel Wilson where yeah the guy is top 10 but getting a winning team around him while giving up that kind of money is near impossible

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        • Yeah TB would most definitely not have as many rings if he wasn’t giving back money. Some of those SB/AFC title games were closer than cunt hairs. I still think if the Chiefs won the coin flip they’d have gone to the SB in 2019.

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    Not much news out of practice today. Smith said Gebbia looked good. Grant sat out with a minor injury. Talked about the big time body changes. Good energy.

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    So looking at the roster it’s pretty crazy how few GA players are still on the team. Those classes would all be RS-JR, SR or RS-SR and should be the core of the team.

    Remaining:
    Nous, Bradford, Flemings, Hughs Murray, Cody Anderson, Skelton, Napierkowski, Taufa’ausua, Jack Colletto, Baylor, Grant, Hodgins, QT and McCartan

    6 Offense, 3+ Starters
    8 Defense, 3 Starters

    Really appreciate these 14 guys sticking around to compete and make the team better despite the writing likely being on the wall that transfers and Smith recruits would take the field time.

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  24. Got 2 more random DM messages about a minute apart from each other this evening. 2 fans asking if Melvin Jordan is decomitting. Apparently he took down his pinned “commitment” tweet.
    I just got home from being away so wont be caught up for another day or so, but maybe something to watch. Or not

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      • Great, 10 days in the Olympics. 5 in tent and 5 in a cabin. On the downside, got sick the 2nd week with a nasty head cold. Good to be home, but more camping next weekend.

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            We have small kids. So backpacking wont be happening for several more years. Looks like it would be fun though. So many trails out there and there are several through old growth forest that look like they’d be amazing.
            Actually spent 2 of the camping days with former Beav OL Jaelen Bush. He looks like he’s in game shape still and could be playing right now if he were still on the team.

            Cape Lookout on the Oregon coast next weekend with some family. Think that will be our 6th tent camping trip of the summer with 1 more to go. I’m ready for something different next year.

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        • Spent a month up in the olympics planting trees when I was 20. Beautiful area. We as a crew, camped on a river that I dont recall the name of. Nice steelhead in that river but it was pretty much wet all the time.

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    Every preview has Beavs at 6th in the North…Is this the year that Beavs can surprise all of college football?

    Beavs are locked into a losing program narrative once again after GA, Beavs are acknowledged as a tough out, but no expectations for wins.

    I think JS is building a competitive program with depth and some really talented guys. What is the greatest need for them to turn the corner and become winners this year and going forward?
    1- coaches putting the right guys on the field
    2-defense getting stops on 3rd down
    3- creating turnovers
    4-qb play
    5-offensive production

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      I like to look at improving point differential (discounting games against FCS opponents) and games that are competitive which the Beavs improved greatly last season despite the 2-5 record. They also had a tough injury at QB and had a good chance to beat Stanford with their backup QB. In addition, their star defensive player (Rashad) had a disappointing season (played injured?).

      Are the prognosticators discounting the improvement because of the “Covid season” weirdness? Have the other teams really improved that much? I hope the team uses it as fuel to prove the critics wrong.

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        It’s not really in anyone’s favor to gamble any of their cred on the beavers or even follow them much to do research. They will be underestimated until they show they can win for a few years.

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          Good point about “gambling their cred”………..add to that the East Coast Bias. Could be an advantage for bettors if Beavs live up to their potential.

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    Saw the 2 air soft shooting duck players are suapended indefinitely. If the rumors are accurate, it sounds like they were rolling around shooting air pellets at homeless people in Eugene, with pistols similar to this.
    I know some people will excuse them as “just airsoft, no big deal” but if someone rolls up on you and points this out the window, are you waiting to ask of it’s airsoft before firing back? Really stupid(and menacing). I know some of the homeless are packing and wouldnt think twice.

    https://cdn0.wideopenspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Umarex-Airsoft-Pistol.jpg

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    Has there been any talk if Cory Stover or Jacob Ferenszci in the practice reports so far?
    Thought Stover and Lolohea would develop into DE starters the next couple of years. Ferensczi was raw, but supposed to be a strong and big and has been working out for 2 years straight. Figured we might start hearing about him cracking the 2 deep this season.

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      I doubt we hear much until week two, reports will be on the starters.

      Stover and Lolohea – both have done a lot of work on their bodies. They and Hennessy should be in rotation or at the least special team regulars. Stover is playing OLB and should be part of that rotation with hughs-Murray, Gumbs, McCartan, Sharp, Saluni and Franke. There’s a bunch of experienced game ready bodies in those two spots and I’m hoping to see plenty of subs to keep effort maximized and wear down O-lines. The Bend but don’t break could really be a late game hero with how many DL and LB we can rotate.

      I have no idea what linemen will be stepping up but we lose 4 this year. Eldridge, Nous, Sorensen and Kipper (prob going to the draft) will be gone. There will be 3 open starting spots and we have 8 (holy shit) non-starters in the roster over 300 lbs. I have a feeling the next year will see some titanic effort for playing time.

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    • No stover moved to OLB and I doubt he cracks the 2 deep in his first year at a position switch with the depth there. Saluni is an interesting 1 to watch there. I think he’s over 260. Ferenszci could be in the mix in the two deep but its still early to tell until they put the pads on. Wasn’t he a walk on gray shirt? There are some good options there but he could definitely be 1.

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      • Ferenszci was a greyshirt in 2019, and then Covid freshman in 2020. So I think he would still be considered a true freshman this year, despite being connected to the program for 2 seasons already.
        From what I was hearing last year, he was a beast in the weight room. Although I’ve never seen him personally

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  28. Noticed Isaac Garcia has already left the Fresno State team. Wonder what’s up there? He just transferred there from OSU this offseason.
    Hopefully he hadnt started taking classes yet and has time to find another team.

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    A couple of notes from today’s practice.
    Wright had a diving interception.
    Lowe busted some big runs. Lindgren likes big play potential and his ability to flex out and get a mismatch with a LB.
    Bolden had the best catch of the day.
    Lindgren said they’re installing base offense and that they’ll see if they will spread it out more or not depending on the teams strengths.
    Few mental errors made by the defense.

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    Has the football team ever experienced such large off-season gains as a team? This could be a very promising development and could combat the NIL. When big time players are worried about money, deals, and other distractions the Beavs could be focused and out working them. May be wishful thinking but nonetheless a good sign.

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      I think Musgrave is more similar. Overman is much shorter and probably faster and more agile. Newton was a very tall TE that had great hands but not much YAC ability just pretty much north and south. Seems you’ve cooled down on Musgrave and moved onto Overman. I think Overman shows potential and could ve good vut hasn’t shown anything at the college level. Granted Musgrave has had his drops but I don’t see that continuing and think he’ll break out this year. He had a good spring with some nice catches per reports.

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    • It’s interesting you think so highly of Overman as a receiving tight end. His dad commented that he has already had more receiving targets than he ever saw in high school because he was primarily a blocking tight end and was rarely thrown the ball. I’m a big fan though and hope he gets a chance to play a lot.

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  36. I have a new end of Summer DIY project for the house.
    Re-glazing all of the exterior windows before the wet season gets here. Man this is some tedious work. Any experts here who have some good tips to share?
    I’m using DAP Latex window glazing because i read it dries faster and time isnt on my side
    #GlazingBeavs

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      Musgrave is called out as a standout. Sounds like Gebbia, Noyer, and Vidlak all had solid days. Vidlak getting some time with the first team.

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        • Its sounded like Wright is a for sure starter and the best corner. The other seems to be a battle between Austin and Jones but that’s more likely where he would sneak in. I’ve heard Austin has made some nice plays as well tho.

          Russell running with the 2nd team at safety. Is Massey on campus yet? Sounds like Arnold is a for sure starter and Julian and Oladapo are battling it out for the other.

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          • He was 3rd in tackles I think and played quite a bit better. Our safetys aren’t very good in man to man coverage. It seems like I can remember lots of times where the slots would kill us with out routes any time the safetys were lined up with them in man. They need to disguise their coverages better or at least can’t play so far off because they’re basically beat by alignment.

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          • Agree on Arnold. Pretty bad. Should improve, though…think he’s still young (they have him listed as a RS Freshman – thought the was older than that!).

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          No ones replacing him he’s hurt and they like him as a blocker. That’s why you run two TE sets with one being a primary receiver and that they’ve been successful running the ball and at play action.

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            If someone doesn’t replace him we don’t have our best team on the field.
            Two TE sets just play to weakness rather than strength when you have our WRs.

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          • If your primary passing out of two TE your doing it wrong. It’s a run, play action and red zone package.

            We are loaded at TE. Next year could be nuts with all the young talent. Is there a 5 TE Hail Mary formation?

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            Ya Lindgren hasn’t decided if they will be a more spread team or not yet. He said he’d figure out this teams strengths. I still don’t know if theyre a team that should be too pass heavy yet. I think our strength is definitely the run game and Oline and control the clock to wear them down and keep the Defense off the field. There is a lot of potential at WR but IDK if Gebbia or Moyer have the arms to be slinging the ball all over the field. The WRs are young and I think with Gulbranson and Vidlak the team will be much stronger passing the ball. For now I like running the ball and staying ahead of the chains especially until our defense proves they can be better.

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            I disagree Teagan is a very good player and 4 year starter and is a big part of the run success we’ve had since Smith has been here. Both him and Musgrave will play on Sundays. When you’re defense is bad and youre trying to control the clock if you can run 12 personnel its hugely advantageous. Herm said as much when they lost to us 2 years ago. Said they couldn’t force us out of it and that were very effective in it with the TEs we have.

            I get what you’re saying but at this point the WRs are potential but unproven mostly. Lindgren runs a multiple offense to keep defenses off balance and get mismatches. You can run a 2 TE set and then come with a 4 wide the next play. You do this so you can exploit the defenses personnel. You get a WR on a LB or 5 DBs against a 2 TE set. That gives you the advantage over the defense.

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        Musgrave looked really good in the Spring game drills. I know most didnt see it because the tv coverage sucked and they really disnt do much i. The way of game action.
        Also, pretty much every starter level receiver was out that day, so he and Champ were the pass catchers almost exclusively. To his credit, Champ played well and ran good routes. But….also hard to read into spring game action too much.

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      Nothing newsworthy. Things will pick up as we get closer to September, which is when official visits can start up again.
      I’m expecting OL Sam Yoon will have a date set soon(if not already).
      Also, we could pick up a transfer kicker for this season before then. They’re looking for someone to take the kickoff duties so Hayes will like be the FG kicker only. Plus we need a backup plan in case someone roughs up Hayes and he cant finish a game. Immediate playing time is available.

      https://247sports.com/player/sam-yoon-46102844/

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        • I tried, but just dead ends. If there’s smoke….
          Before all of this, he always seemed like the most likely candidate for a decommit(from Florida, committed earliest in this class, etc) so wouldnt surprise me at all.

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    Lingren says Levengood stands out to him as a guy most improved. Says Gebbia is practicing normally but can’t yet push off when escaping the pocket.

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    McCartan, Hodgins, Sandberg all “made significant strength gains” according to Tibs. They’re moving Gumbs along slowly. I don’t expect him to start based on what Tibs is saying…probably will rotate him early in the year.

    (I’m working through the latest interviews on YT)…

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    Julian mentions D wants takeaways in order to take the next step.
    Agree. Depth and takeaways have been the missing pieces. There’s some overlap there. If guys are fresh they have a better shot at takeaways.

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  47. Who knew Mark Whalberg was a Buckeye fan who owns multiple car dealerships in Ohio that buy cars for players?
    Assuming this isnt a brand new thing, but can be made more public now.

    https://twitter.com/jacksawyer40/status/1424896269068165128?s=19

    Also, a source tried getting a public records request to see any reported NIL deals at oregon. His request was denied with some legal exhemption. So i guess that answers the question about whether this stuff will be transparent. Nope.

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      • Or maybe it’s a loaner? In exchange for the kid promoting the dealership. Really just another perk for attending Ohio State.

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        • Wonder who pays for the insurance? Likely not the players. Just think of the NIL “ecosystem” in this example cars/insurance/fuel/tires/oil changes…

          Will be interesting to see if any kids ask for actual investments made in their name in exchange for endorsement, as opposed to consumables and things that depreciate (Silverados).

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            I wonder how soon before the Feds crack down on college kids for not reporting their income on their tax returns?
            Things like free use of a truck have value, which would need to be reported.

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    Shocked at the Glaring omission of Rawls in the D line depth chart @Angry. He was pretty clearly our most disruptive D linemen last year and should be an absolute problem to handle at 290+.. Big year on the way for him.

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      • Agreed! I’m picking up a ton of similar “they sleeping on us” vibes like we saw with the hoops team.. None of the media members knew how good Alathisse, Calloo or Andela were but with football there’s like 5-7 guys that COULD be of that same ilk (See Fenwick, Schad, Tongue, Harrison, Lowe, Dunmore, Jones) hoops media also undersold the potential of guys like Lucas, Hunt, and even older guys like Ethan and Silva improving (See Beason, Rawls, Wright, Julian then Grant, Speights and Hodgins as more experienced guys I could see still getting much better. There’s a lot of unseen potential on this team that a typically pretty lazy media squad would be unable to detect.

        It’s up to our fellas to go out, play with that chip and prove it though. Potential is nothing without fulfillment, but I think we can all agree this one of the more talented squads from a pedigree perspective that we have fielded in quite a while.

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        • Agree. If only we still had Jefferson, our offense could be really special. As long as he stayed healthy, he would have had a big year and could have parlayed that into a much better draft spot. And entrenched himself in the OSU record book. But health has been an issue for him- can’t fault him for wanting to get some money and save some wear & tear.

          Also wish we had N Wright- he definitely could have used a final development year. Though it did work out for him with the Cowboys spending a 3rd. Sounds like he’s on track to start too- good for him.

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    • Smith mentioned Reels in an interview today. Don’t put too much weight on any depth chart or who’s working with the 1s just yet it’s still way early. Could be lots of reasons aside from it being the actual way things are shaking out. They’ll start to focus in on fewer guys towards the end of camp.

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  49. All our draftees (and UFA Dunn) seem to have made the right choice, except maybe Rashed, assuming he could have bounced back to 2019 numbers (doubtful).

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    • Not sure about Jefferson- 7th round pick, and the 2021 Detroit Lions is pretty atrocious landing spot. He had a lot more draft upside with an injury-free season. It all depends on injury potential but I wouldn’t say that things turned out very well for him to this point.

      Rashed definitely made the wrong choice. He didn’t need to bounce back to 2019 form- just needed to put his disastrous 2020 behind him. His 2019 performance was unreal and his 2020 performance was not starter-worthy…couldn’t be a more stark contrast. He may get his shot still and that’s great- but he was one good season away from a high-to-mid range draft pick and a whole lot more money.

      Dunn and Wright have done well and it’s worked out for them. Wright was raw but the Cowboys proved willing to spend a high pick on his potential, and Dunn wasn’t likely to prove much more in another season and has seemed to impress with the Jets so far.

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    • Not sure about Jefferson- 7th round pick, and the 2021 Detroit Lions is pretty atrocious landing spot. He had a lot more draft upside with an injury-free season. It all depends on injury potential but I wouldn’t say that things turned out very well for him to this point.

      Rashed definitely made the wrong choice. He didn’t need to bounce back to 2019 form- just needed to put his disastrous 2020 behind him. His 2019 performance was unreal and his 2020 performance was not starter-worthy…couldn’t be a more stark contrast. He may get his shot still and that’s great- but he was one good season away from a high-to-mid range draft pick and a whole lot more money.

      Dunn and Wright have done well and it’s worked out for them. Wright was raw but the Cowboys proved willing to spend a high pick on his potential, and Dunn wasn’t likely to prove much more in another season and has seemed to impress with the Jets so far.

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        Jefferson’s scouting report (decent at everything, no real standout skills…not my words!) wasn’t going to move him up more in the draft and as a RB, the less mileage you can bring into the NFL, the better.

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        • Agree a big knock was breakaway speed and he proved that he had it last season. Not much to gain after last season. Success doesn’t necessarily mean high draft pick. There are a lot of guys who put up big college numbers that don’t make it in the nfl. It’s a different game. The NFL puts a lot of emphasis on measurables.

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    • With what looks to be an improved DL and overall depth, his numbers could have rebounded enough to improve his standing considerably.

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    Hodgins had foot surgery and is out 8 weeks.
    If we’re being realistic, guys never come back early from foot injuries, so doubt we even see him that soon.

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      damm really sucks. .Always a few camp injuries…but D line is the one place we can least afford to miss players. Although I think a few of the guys behind Hodgins have upside I was hoping for some improvement from Hodge and his experience is invaluable.

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      Sounds like Noyer picking up the playbook. Gebbia leads a TD drive (sounds like to Beason). Musgrave making a move. Need him to overtake Q.

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        I don’t get why you dislike QT. He’s a solid player, if he cleans up drops he will be in the 300-500 yard season range.

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          He’s a big nothing burger. We need a guy who can stretch the field at TE to make the WRs even more lethal. Q is a fine backup or running down TE. With the influx of WR talent this looks to be a pass first offense.

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          I don’t get it either. He’s had like 4 of his not so many catches go for 40 plus yards including the huge catch against WSU in triple coverage so the stretch the field argument isn’t viable. He’s the most experienced and we’ll rounded TE at this point. Overman has proved nothing and was a blocker first in high school but for some reason you think he’s better than Teagan.

          With the returning offensive line and their success in the run game which includes Teagan they should be run first until a QB can prove they can throw the ball all over. Right now there isn’t a QB that has proven they can do that consistently and take care of the ball well.

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            “With the returning offensive line and their success in the run game which includes Teagan they should be run first until a QB can prove they can throw the ball all over.” To which I’d add that the “deep” WR room hasn’t actually been proven.

            While (for now) I’m still on the Tibs Train, gotta add that run first could take some pressure off the D.
            GO BEAVS!

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          • Agree the WR room is all potential. Harrison has had 2 decent games, Bradford is solid, Beason had a good first year fpr a freshman, the rest are just big names at this point. I think they’ll be good but it could take some time. I mentioned this earlier as well as protecting the defense with ball control. So agree on bothe points.

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  53. No Schad at practice today either? Has this been ongoing through the first 4 days or just an isolated absence? Is he hurt too?

    DL continues to be the elephant in the room that the team barely addresses each offseason.

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  54. Daschle says its clear that it’s a 2 man race between Gebbia and Noyer in his mind. Gebbia led a TD drive to Beason against the 2nd team D while Noyer went 3 and out against the 1st.
    Musgrave continues to impress.

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    So if Gebbia looks better in practice, but his mobility away from the pocket is basically zero, who would you go with?

    This feels like a subtle “Are you Mike Riley?” quiz…

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    Couple of 2021 class guys i’m keeping an eye on. Twin brothers Elias and Enoka Migao, who were BYU OL and DE commits in the 2021 class. Neither showed up to campus and now a few other teams are involved in trying to poach them. OSU could be one of those teams, but nothing concrete at this point.
    Both had good offer sheets out of HS.

    I dont know exactly how much room OSU is working with scholarship wise, but this is why they keep spots open every year.

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    Mike VII, LSU’s live tiger mascot has had the COVID vaccine, Rolivich the WSU Cougar coach has not. The good thing for the Beavers is Rolivich’s decision may be a big distraction WSU.

    By the way, LSU opens @ UCLA this year, I did not realize that.

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    I wonder who will get the start in place of Hodgins now? Most likely will give us more size looking on the bright side of things unless it’s Reichner who weighs the same as Hodgins. We’re looking at Reichner at 273, Anderson 279, Shippen 298, Lolohea 265, Faamoe 292, Hennessey 274, Rawls 292. My best guess would be between Reichner, Anderson, Rawls, and Shippen. I like both Lolohea and Faamoe but they are both still young to start in game 1 but could see both playing significant time and possibly sliding into a starring spot later in the season.

    Daschel wrote how the starting Oline gained a total of 48lbs but DL is really where we needed the weight and strength gains. Schad is only 288 compared to Bennett at 296 and Skelton who played at 290 so that would be a weight loss of 2 to 8lbs if he does start. If Skelton starts he’s playing 22lbs heavier this year at 312 and obviously if Sio starts its a huge weight gain at the position as he’s playing at 347lbs. Sandberg is probably starting at one DE and is playing 15lbs heavier than last year. So depending on who ends up starting the DL should be at least about 15lbs heavier but the overall size at the position is up big.
    Skelton + 22
    Rawls +24
    Lolohea +15
    Shippen+11
    Sandberg+15
    Anderson+10
    Not to mention adding Faamoe as an option at 292 and Lbs also adding some weight but it was mostly at tge backup positions.

    Hopefully we see this translate to stinger run defense and are able to hold the line. I was a little surprised to see that Hodgins didn’t add size while basically everyone else did

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      I’d go with Sandberg, Skelton, Rawls. They have the experience to not get rattled and Sandberg and Rawls were our most disruptive DE last year. Thats 897 lbs of experienced mass to distract the interior linemen. If they are going straight up against the line thats 1 on 1 for each of those guys every down, I like that match up. If they double anyone on the inside or keep a rb back to block them then you have mismatches on the outside with the edge guys. If they pull a guard to block on an outside run you have a big mismatch on the interior if the guys have the experience and recognition to crash downline.

      Thats just the starters though. We have a ‘heavy’ option with Sio and Shippen and Rawls thats 938 lbs. Rawls gaining all that weight could be the biggest deal of the offseason.

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      • That’s about 50lbs heavier than the starting Dline last year. You would have to think that makes an impact. Even if the weight tires the guys out a little faster there is more depth and experience than in previous years and the backups actually have size.

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        • Yup, having all these guys 280+ will make a huge difference with being able to sub and get some rest. I think we will be seeing quite a few sacks, TOL and turnovers this year if the line can take up more blockers with the new size.

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            4-3 was a problem for years too recruiting wise. We had gang buster DE’s all the time but I think the only time we had two good DT was under Erickson.

            It’s taken time but I think with the recruiting and success in the gym the 3-4 will finally start looking coherent.

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    Per the Eggers MBB column above:

    -Defense continues to be the primary identified WT wants to hang his hat on. He mentions it about every newcomer and repeats that when he talks about how the perception of the program has improved.
    -Silva has lost 20 pounds and gotten into better game shape
    -Hunt comes into the school year as the #1 PG, but Davis will get his chance to compete. WT compared Davis to GP3 in terms of his solid all-around skill set and athleticism.
    -Sounds like all the returning guys are being given clear direction on what needs to improve (e.g. Alatishe’s game outside the paint, Calloo’s defense and rebounding, Andela’s game outside the paint)
    -Andela had a tryout with the Cameroon National Team
    -Marial isn’t currently 100%, but “should playing by the end of the season.” We’ll see. With our big guys returning, we don’t need to rush him.

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      I think it’s past time to dissolve the NCAA. Their rulings are all over the place and they have no consistency in enforcing their “rules”. I mean the NIL deal has made it glaringly apparent that a change needs to happen.

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      • Apparently inaction when presented with rape accusations is not against NCAA rules, so that’s why they werent held accountable. But then what is different about Baylor vs Penn State, other than the profiles of the victims? Seems like pretty much the same scenario aside from Baylor didnt have a Sandusky on staff.

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    • Speaking of NCAA rulings and enforcement in general, a good piece here on the situation at ASU.

      Three positions groups are without their regular coaches in Fall Camp.
      “…watch practice and see former graduate assistant Bobby Wade coaching receivers instead of Gill. And former analyst Juston Wood coaching tight ends instead of Breneman. And former consultant/special advisor Donnie Henderson working with defensive backs in place of Hawkins…
      ASU President Michael Crow is intently following the investigation and made the decision to place the three coaches on administrative leave…”

      https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2021/08/09/who-leave-asu-football-next-and-when/5545555001/

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  62. 1

    Beavs offered the graphic designer job to the new replacement for Jordan Lange yesterday. Contract isnt finalized quite yet, so I’ll share who it is fairly soon, once I have permission.

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      • Ha, makes me wonder what the job pays. It must not be good because it’a been a revolving door position.
        Dont know why Jordan Lange couldnt just do the job remotely if he needed to move across the country. You’d think an OSU football position would pay better than a Georgia basketball position.

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        • If the scope is too narrow, I could see a competent designer losing interest and moving on to keep their portfolio diverse. I assume the position serves all sports(?), but I wonder if they serve any other sectors of the University?

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          • I think the football designer is dedicated to football. MBB has a different person on staff, but i’m not sure if she handles both basketball teams or even more sports.

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      Good to see him mention Musgrove growing a ton and Overman improving. Sounds like Q will at the least have his minutes eaten into. Good thing for the team on whole.

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    It’s interesting how Smith is dividing up the team into smaller groups to get the guys more reps. They’ll have two 11 on 11s going on at once at times. They say that they then have tape on all of the guys to go over with them and evaluate. This could be a good idea and perhaps pay dividends down the road. The only downside I see is that the coaches aren’t able to see all of the practice live.

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    • Always wondered why they didnt do that in the past. Anybody who has attended practice in the past would see quite a bit of standing around by playera while they wait for reps. Just seemed like wasted opportunity given the small windows of time they have for practice.
      One of the things I liked about Chip Kelly is he supposedly ran really efficient practices and got everybody involved as much as possible.

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  65. Speaking of Musgrave, sounds like he’s right on the cusp of taking over. Everyone recognizing it [needs to be done]. Musgrave talks up Overman, too. Says much improved making tough catches. Q is good for 2TE run plays. Can’t be the primary TE, though, when we have two guys who can stretch the field.

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      Musgrave mentions he’s working out with some former NFL TE in Bend. Mentions it helps with the fine details. He should take over full time.

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        Angry we all know what you think it doesn’t maje it right no matter how many times you say it. Thats your opinion that doesn’t have legs and no one seems to agree with. Its the same thing everyday let it go.

        I assume he’s working out with Kevin Boss.

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          Nah. Musgrave or Overman the primary receiving TE by game 4. Should be game 1 but given coaches history with overvaluing experience Smith will mess up.

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            Lol. Quitoriano is hurt and thats why you’re hearing about 3 other TEs. They talked about spencer maybe he should start if thats your logic. Could it be they put more emphasis as using the TE as another blocker over receiver? Did you ever consider that? Why would you want to use the TE as a receiver over any of the top 3-6 receivers unless it’s in the red zone or short yardage situations. You think they should start 2 guys in the first game that have basically shown nothing at the level except Musgrave has had tons of drops. I think Musgrave will have a breakout year but until he shows that he can produce he shouldn’t start over Quitoriano. Quitoriano also lost 7 lbs so he could potentially be an even better receiver but as of now he’s the only one who’s shown he can come down with the football in traffic like in the WSU game and score TDs.

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            I never said that they don’t lol. My point is nonr of them have shown to be better receivers than our actual receivers. Their value lies in their ability to do both to create mismatches. Quitoriano has been very successful dominating blocking and then taking advantage when teams no longer honor his receiving in play action where he’s scored multiple TDs.

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            He has like 19 catches in 4 years, and he’s had a ton of missed catches/drops. If we can’t do better then we’re in bad shape. He’s fine as a backup. Not sure why you’re tied to a mediocre TE when we have way better options.

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            Sorry but thats both cherry picked and inaccurate. He has 21 catches in 3 years.

            https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/teagan-quitoriano-1.html

            Thats 21 catches in 15 games. Covid year he had 14 catches in 6 games which was almost 3 times better than what he did in 2019. If last year was a full year he was trending to nearly 400 yards which is very decent for a BLOCKING TE. Last years performance is on par with Connor Hamlett, Caleb Smith, Joe Halahuni, Noah Togiai (on good years). So I guess those guys all suck? Connor Hamlett is the only one in the same blocking realm as QT so really I would say hes better than those guys who were all multiple year starters

            Musgrave has 14 catches in 2 years, 8 games. His average reception is less that QT both years that they shared the field. Musgrave is probably the best catching TE we have had since Joe Newton but he needs to prove he can come down with tough balls in game and avoid drops.

            Musgrave is a great option but hating on QT makes no sense. Its like you mixed him up with Colby Prince or Howard Croom.

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            I don’t hate him. Said over and over he’s a good option at backup and run downs.

            Recognizing other talent as superior /= “hating”

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    • I was told last year the TEs never used a jug (sp) machine at practice. Any insight from football guys on that? Seems like a no brainer to use for practicing to catch the darn ball.

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    Saturday scrimmage: own thread or keep this one? I’m leaning new thread, in which case I’ll let this one run until then. New thread can be for the scrimmage and following week of camp. Good?

    I’ll be gone most of the following week (16th through 19th).

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    Wright apparently locking down receivers.
    Beason with the catch of the day.
    Lindsay good showing.
    Noyer to Bradford for a 40yd completion.
    Gumbs had a sack.
    Mccartan, Gebbia, Darling, Grant, all out today. But Grant did some sprinting.
    Coach M back.

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      With Gebbia out and the comments about his recovery, Noyer feels pretty likely to be the starter 9/4. I don’t think either he or Geb is likely to start all season, so it’s good to have two competent starters.

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  70. Nemec article says a source close to sterling lane has the Beavs 3rd behind AZ and Colorado. Commitment set for 8-20. Doesn’t seem likely but would be huge especially if Melvin is wavering.

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      I saw where he said he likes the trajectory the Arizona has and laughed to myself. I know we haven’t done great in recent years but feel like we have a real uptrend and competitive but AZ looks like a mess and just lost their coach. Maybe it’s BC ASU is going to have sanctions. Lol

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        They have possibly the best DC in the country and will be using a pro-style offense, which is pretty unique for college and could give them a competitive advantage. The jury’s out on Fisch as a HC, but they seem to have more going for them than many programs in the PAC right now.

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    Beav in OH, are you considering going to the Purdue game? What side of OH are you. I’m in Pitt and I’m considering making the trip. Went to MI and Ohio State, at least this one we have a chance.

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      I’m in the Columbus area so I would go, except it’s my anniversary. West Lafayette is near the bottom on the list of places we’d want to spend a special occasion. Plus I still have PTSD from the last game I saw (Cincy in ’07).

      Historically, missing Beaver games for special occasions has helped me avoid seeing some really depressing moments in OSU history.

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      • Makes sense. Happy wife is always much better than depressed Beav watcher. If we go, we likely will stop in Columbus, my son wants to check out the campus.

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    It must have been over a month ago when I asked if people were actually seeing a boom. The narrative was we were reopening and headed toward a roaring 20s. I said I wasn’t seeing that, and that people seemed to think vaccines are cures or immunity, and that delta wasn’t being factored in enough. Noted that downtown was maybe half as busy as 2019. Now everyone is admitting the recovery isn’t happening, and we’re about to go into recession because of delta. Weird.

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        Exactly. I was downtown this past weekend, and it seemed even slower than a month ago. I wanted to see the roaring 20s. Sounds fun.

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          I’d recommend giving the book “The Forgotten Depression: 1921” a read. Somewhat relevant today because the world was coming out of a two year pandemic, and the US was paying off its war debts, and its handling of a serious depression led to the roaring 20’s.

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            Jim Grant is so good. Even though he’s wrong a lot (seems to always be afraid of something), he’s super informed on everything. I added the book to my library list. I know that era pretty well but never read this book.

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      The “boom” was not sustainable as it was driven by pent up demand. And unfortunately it was accompanied by significantly reduced supply. The impact has been inflation. Accompany that with policy that artificially changes the market dynamics (free money, deferred housing payments, unemployment encouragement, printing money, etc..) and we are in for some bumpy times. I don’t know how big of a factor that delta actually is as the impacts at this time are mostly political theater and little substance.

      Either way, recession of some level seems to be coming but I’m not sure it will be the traditional type.

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        Completely agree. Our behavior hasn’t gotten back to 2019 behavior, and we’re very normal, average people in this household. When we go back to normal, I’ll know it’s the true recovery. But looking at downtown activity has been a good gauge as well.

        Edit: Should have said completely agree on the economic comments. Regarding Delta, definitely more concerned here. My hope was it would mutate downward, and we got the opposite.

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          I think it is very difficult to know what is happening with the Delta as the information that is shared. 95% of all statistics are produced to prove someone’s point of view. I mostly have been looking at other countries that are ahead of us on the curve for Delta and while it is still deadly, it seems to be much shorter in duration.

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            Yeah I think that’s fair. Personally going to avoid as much as I can for now since I have a blood disorder similar to anemia, and I don’t want to risk everything just to go out and eat a burger.

            I always wonder how medical cases are reported. I’ve had surgeries and procedures, and I highly doubt my outcomes are in any textbooks or collected data, and if they are, they’re not accurate because the surgeon viewed the procedures as a “success” when they weren’t. Anyone know how/why what cases are accepted in data, and are these double checked, verified, etc, or does the literature and statistics just accept the opinion of the guy performing the operation?

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        Look at delta progression in India and the UK. They’ve already peaked. India has like a 9% vaccination rate and they’re past the worst of it. I think the media-driven fear is overblown at this point.

        The overwhelming majority of hospitalizations in the US are unvaccinated people. We need to accept the fact that COVID-zero is an unrealistic goal and the focus should be managing it like we do every other public health threat (e.g. flu season) rather than treating it like the doomsday virus.

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        • To my point above that using data is dangerous. They stopped tracking which people that tested positive had been vaccinated. In the UK they experienced 40% of their hospitalizations were of people that had been vaccinated and in the US they are reporting to us that it is less than 5%. I’m not a virus expert but that makes me scratch my head.

          I fully agree with your point that COVID-zero is an unrealistic goal and we should use what we now know to manage the threat. Politics are a dangerous business and don’t align with fighting a virus.

          I think Angry hit it on the head, we all have different risk levels and we each should be making a decision on how to mitigate the threats that we are facing.

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    Nuc, regarding your long post about Q where you say that I hate him. I don’t hate any Beav. The only one I ever hated was probably Seth Collins, and for good reason. That was the most selfish player to ever don a Beav uniform. My issue is with the TE position in general. We’ve been mediocre since Joe Newton. Halahuni and Miller were okay. We need to get more productive at the position. If I see a clear way to do that, on the roster, then I’m going to say so. I don’t get all the butt hurt and attachment to Q. Sure, he blocks well. We can coach up the better options to block. Experience can be overrated. It’s not always overrated, but it is very easy to do so. This is a great example of that. If Q were the same age as Musgrave or Overman we wouldn’t be having this debate. But since he’s toward the end of his career there’s a tendency to put value on all that time. Only makes sense if the player hasn’t maxed out upside, and I think Q has. He’s a good blocker who will make occasional catches. He’s proven this with several QBs, too. He’s not bad, and he’s not good. Mediocre TE. Musgrave could be good this year, if not great, and he has way more upside. Overman the same.

    So I’d appreciate it if people stopped putting words in my mouth and made the false conclusion that saying you think player x is better than player y means you hate player y and think he’s total garbage. Q would be a solid backup and 2TE set guy.

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      People just want to argue with you because you’re taking a position on something. It’s not like Q is an all-conference TE. Sure, he has a lot of experience. As a friend of mine says “returning experience is a negative when it’s all losing experience.”

      There were 12 TE’s in the PAC with enough snaps to qualify for PFF ratings. Here are the ranking comparisons between Q and Musgrave (from a gross rating standpoint, both were essentially replacement level players).

      Run blocking:
      Q 10th out of 12
      Musgrave 9th out of 12

      Receiving:
      Q 6th out of 12
      Musgrave 7th out of 12

      So we’re basically arguing between an experienced mediocre TE and a young mediocre TE. I tend to go with the guy who’s earlier on the learning/growth curve.

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      • So Q isn’t even a good run blocker? Wonder why we all think that.

        People just want to argue with you because you’re taking a position on something.

        Very true.

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      • Also, TQ’s 2019 PFF ratings were really good. All-conference good. 2018 and 2020 were not.

        Hopefully he can recapture his 2019 form.

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      • If they are equally bad then why be so gung ho to drop QT and let Musgrave and Overman go for it? Seems like the logical conclusion is that there should be competition at the position not dump QT.

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        • People just want argue with you is a very weak and lazy argument. I don’t generally argue with angry but he just has no case for an argument here. The coaches repeatedly have stated how good of a blocker Quitoriano is and I’ve seen it in games because I actually watch the TEs block. Ive seen Musgrave blow many a block.

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      I do think the casual fan misses some of the value of experience. It is certainly not guaranteed but an experienced player is more often going to be in the correct spot and read the situation better than a less experienced player. Musgrave is no doubt a more complete TE because of his athleticism and so is Overman but I don’t know if that is most certainly the best answer for making this team better. Coaches get to watch hours of practice and film and can see a much bigger picture than the fanbase who make their assessment purely on measurables.

      Coaches make mistakes with personnel but at least they do it with more information.

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      • Agreed. Coaches actually know the players, so they have access to the psychological “data” (as well as seeing practice reps, etc.). The key coaching skill is the ability to properly weigh all the different data inputs coaches have. That’s why it can seem like fans see blindingly obvious things that coaches miss. Coaches either value the wrong things (*cough* GA), or the abundance of data obfuscates things and makes decision making more difficult.

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          This all just reminds me of the ferver to drop Luton for Gebbia. After Gebbia got a full off season and the start he was not impressive and obviously worse than Luton was the year before.

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      Hating on is just cool kid slang for talking shit or insulting someone. You have called him a nothing burger and want him off the field for unproven assets. That definitely qualifies as hating on if youre a cool cat kid.

      You also keep saying that he’s fine in a two TE set but then say two TE sets shouldn’t be used. So he shouldn’t see the field. You also keep saying he’s not a Down field threat but he has at least 5 catches over 25 yards out of 21.

      So he should be replaced by an unproven downfield threat who has a lower average per reception and history of dropped balls and a guy who was primarily a blocker in high school and has one catch in garbage time. Musgrave and Overman could both be great but
      We have no data that suggests they are better than QT currently. Musgrave looks like he is geared up for a great season from camp reports so hopefully that translates to the game. Overman hasn’t even been mentioned in any camp reports I have seen.

      The argument doesn’t make sense. It makes even less sense when your argument for Gebbia was that his stats are better than Noyer. Noyer is the younger player with higher upside and physically much more gifted so why shouldn’t he start if Musgrave should?

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          Ah my mistake. Switched them in my head.

          We should probably just go with Vidlak so he can get experience. Wait experience isn’t a factor if you lose and we will probably lose more with a true fresh qb. This pretzel is getting confusing.

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          • He has only started 6/7 games dude. He played in 3 in 2018, 6 in 2019 mostly in two sets behind Togiai or when Noah was hurt and then started the 6 COVID games.

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          • You seem to really want to harp on this and are making bullet points of things I never said.

            He’s a mediocre TE. We have a couple potentially great TEs. To me it makes more sense to take a shot. You can always put Q back in a game if the other guys can’t get the job done. But the most explosive offense we can field has an explosive TE, and that is not Q. The other two look the part on their HS film, Spring Game (Musgrove), limited action (Overman’s one explosive catch), offer sheet, etc. I’m not saying you look at any one of those things (I know you’re going to imply I’m saying that you start a guy based on his offer sheet – I’m not. But every PAC school wanting a guy does have a little merit). You add it all up and you know what you have in Q, and you analyze what you might have in the other guys, and you make a decision. Smith will probably go with Q. I’d go with the more explosive player who still has upside.

            This is like buying IBM stock or Google. Some are going to prefer IBM because it’s time tested, safe, etc. I prefer Google. Q is a boring value stock. That’s fine. If the other guys fail you put him in and get that boring production.

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          • Or the most explosive offense is keeping a TE in to block so the QB can stay upright and get the real explosive players (Wrs) the ball.

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            You only go younger if the younger guy looks promising and the experienced player hasn’t looked better than replacement level in his game time.

            Think of it another way: do you think Champ or Tongue should start? Champ is more experienced. Tongue has more potential, but hasn’t proven anything.

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          • Yeah this arguement makes sense if you have seen what the experienced guy can do. We’ve barely seen QT play and when we did it was decent. Champ has played in 27 games and started almost all of them at either returner or wideout. We know what he can and can’t do, he can’t get open, he can’t break a tackle, can’t make guys miss and doesn’t have the speed to make up for his size. Champ is not a P5 starter.

            QT has started 6/7 games and has middle of the road stats. If he improves on any aspect of his game he would be good. No way chuck out his potential a guy still developing like Overman. Musgrave can start, and it makes decent sense, but QT should be out there making plays too.

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      • I like 2TE sets at the goal line. He’d be a very nice option there.
        Musgrave mentioned Overman. Said he looks great and took huge steps.

        Both QBs are 23, and Gebbia a Junior while Noyer a Senior. Not sure why you’re saying Noyer is younger or why you think he has more upside (virtually nobody recruited him, etc). Does that mean I’m hating on Noyer, too?

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          Yeah you would be if you call him a nothing burger. Noyer is taller, bigger, throws harder and has won more games. Guess I’m just confused on what criteria we evaluate players.

          1) Experience is good if they are winners. Well Noyer has more wins and Musgrave is just as big a loser as QT.

          2) Better physical attributes makes the better player. Check one for Musgrave but that means Gebbia should sit.

          3) Stats matter but also don’t. Idk who wins there.

          4) Scholarship offers are the best metric. Well that’s demonstrably untrue, schools gamble on kids constantly and some work out and others don’t. By that logic Hass would have never sniffed grass.

          5) Younger players should play if they have better potential. Well shit sit most of the team because our current recruits have higher upside.

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            Case by case for me. It would suck to evaluate players on a formula.

            I don’t think I ever said any of the 5 points you wrote out. Maybe #5. But that’s case by case, and I didn’t really say what you wrote that all younger players with potential should start. As I said, depends on how much upside they have compared to the entrenched guy along with the other things mentioned.

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          • Well you said I made stuff up 3 times so I guess I need to waste my time now for my own Hubris sake.

            1) in OH said it, I wasn’t directing the comment directly at you, it was commentary on the threads evaluation process.

            2) I’ll give you that one, you don’t make that argument very often.

            3) Your entire basis for why Gebbia should start over Noyer was turn over ratio and stats (except wins). Then when stats get brought up on QT vs Musgrave it doesn’t matter or you just ball park made up figures.

            4) You edited away or I just can’t find it but you did say that “nobody recruited Noyer” as a reason he shouldn’t start over Gebbia in this very thread.

            5) Yeah you make this argument fairly often.

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          • Your entire basis for why Gebbia should start over Noyer was turn over ratio and stats (except wins).

            Ugh. Not really.

            I’m not even sure Gebbia should start. I prefer him, but I don’t mind Noyer’s limited film (feisty leader type with wheels). My reason Gebbia should start is that I think he’s the overall better QB based on watching him (he’s been great in one half of every game, so he just needs the game to slow down and play a complete game). Then I compare that knowledge with the limited film I see of Noyer. I take Gebbia.

            Only reason I brought up stats is because people were saying Noyer had better numbers.

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            1) Is just another way of saying experience isn’t valuable in itself. You wouldn’t have high hopes for a 0-12 team that returns all its starters just because they’re really experienced now.

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        • He said the same of Spencer too. You’re cherry picking dude. Guys always say all the guys look great. You always hear the players say all of the QBs look real good even if we know they don’t. It’s media talk.

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      Yeah, it has performed poorly in the past month or so. But it was up like 35% before that. Correction was normal.
      Also, dates are arbitrary. Silver was the #2 asset of 2020 returning 40%, and gold returned 30% that year. Articles like this are to spook people out of gold and into “productive” assets (which I agree with are better, if the prices make sense). I own a ton of stocks and a home. I don’t only own gold. Gold is for excess capital not primary.

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      It just depends on your time frame. Are you investing specifically to buy in January 2021 and sell in December 2021? Any intelligent gold investment thesis will reference its long-term historical performance, so it makes no sense to cite a 12-month period as a reason to never be invested.

      Gold shares some attributes with commodities and inflation is hitting the gold mining sector hard. Gold prices always rise as producer prices do. Sometimes it just takes a little time for them to catch up.

      One analyst’s explanation about gold’s correlation that I liked: “Saying gold is an inflation hedge is overly simple. In reality, it performs well during deflationary and extreme inflationary periods, but not modest inflationary periods. Ultimately, its strongest correlation is the market’s confidence in central banks.”

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        Good comment. And that last paragraph is exactly right. But it also correlates well with real interest rates. Right now that’s the strange thing: real rates are negative. Gold traders must believe the FED when they say they’re going to hike rates. Even if they do hike, it will be like 25bps, so rates will still be negative in real terms. If gold investors don’t understand this, then there’s not much you can do except take advantage of the improper price. There’s a very good setup for the final quarter of the year.

        Also people need to understand nothing moves in a straight line. Even in 1920s Germany gold went to 0 several times before it hyperinflated and ultimately did what it was supposed to do. Best thing to do: buy big dips, put it in the closet, never think about it again and hope you never need it.

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    I like that analogy above.

    Q = 2021 IBM
    Musgrave/Overman = 2005 Google

    Some investors are going to love the former because it’s safe and known. Some are going to see the potential of the latter. None are going to know every intimate detail of both companies, so at the end of the day this is a risk profile and temperament thing. Smith is aggressive with play calling (to the point of reckless gambling). I’m not sure how aggressive he is yet with personnel. Mostly he’s been okay with it. This will be a good barometer.

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      I think maybe you took the analogy to the extreme which invalidates it for discussion. I personally feel that there seems to be 2 camps on the fringes here but the real answer is likely in the middle. The reality is that you may see some spectacular plays from Overman but give up an occasional sack or run for loss. With Q you will likely see what you have seen over his career. What offense are we going to run? JS really hasn’t focused much on the TE from a target perspective. Some may say that is because we haven’t had the weapon to use but that is pure speculation at this point.

      Bottom line for me is that I don’t think the TE position is going to be the make or break spot that adds a bunch of wins or losses. We are not going to suddenly become Stanford and focus on them, especially with the strength of the WR room.

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        Well, yeah. We’re arguing about who should start at TE between guys with mediocre track records. This is purely academic, but it’s also AB at it’s best!

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      • Why is the analogy extreme? Only in retrospect knowing what Google became, but in 2005 there were a lot of bearish arguments against it. And conversely, there are many people today who believe IBM is a sleeping giant (heck, I used to think that until they blew their blockchain lead).

        If Q starts I won’t be upset very long, if at all. He’ll catch 30 balls and put up 400 yards with 3 or 4TDs. It just means the WRs better be very good and stretch the field. I can see Musgrave or Overman in the 45 catch/600 yard/6td realm and with more ability to stretch the center of the field.

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          • When he didn’t produce you threw him away and it was onto Overman and now reports are good so far so its onto both and eff Quitoriano. I would hate for you to be my coach. Quick to throw you away for a shiny new toy because it has potential. Potential meaning you haven’t done anything so you could be the next kelce.

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          • Not true. Either guy is an offensive upgrade, as I wrote above. Always loved Musgrave. Did make the observation he’s been a disappointment so far, if that’s what you mean. If opinions changing as data changes offends you, then there’s not much I can do for you.

            ****

            Luke Musgrave — This guy has a bit of Gronk in him. How is he not a universal 4-star? Game changer who is going to make our QBs look good. Under recruited with the only other good offers coming from Cal and Oregon.

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    I think some of the Q debate is coming from how we view the offense, too. I have seen many claim we should be a run first offense. I somewhat disagree. I like the backs fine, but I think if you have a roster with four 4-star WRs you need to base your offense around that. People say they’re unproven. I guess.

    Harrison: 4-star Top 160 recruit. Proved himself a bit at FSU and looked good at OSU.
    Tongue: top 100 recruit. Unproven
    Dunmore: 4-star top 120 recruit

    The more “proven” guys:

    Bradford: Very stable and productive player. Should be in the slot.
    Beason: Should play outside. On the verge of a breakout season. Should probably have been a 4-star recruit.
    Lindsey: 4-star. Disappointment so far who has shown flashes. Can’t catch consistently, but is dangerous when he does.

    So, given that WR talent, I think adding a TE who could dominate and stretch the middle of the field would make the passing game lethal. I think we have the roster to be a pass first team. This is another reason I prefer Musgrave or Overman.

    What Smith did is bring in transfer WR talent, just like DE did for Smith during the early 2000s. He’s copying that model. Add a dynamic TE to that mix and see what happens…

    I’ve yet to hear a good argument as to why we should be a run first team with this roster. Outside of Fenwick, the RBs seem more unproven than the WRs.

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      OL was much better run blocking than pass blocking last year. It doesn’t matter who you have at WR if the QB doesn’t have time to throw.

      I personally think we should be balanced. The fact is we have very little proven talent at any offensive position. OL is the most proven commodity and their strength in the past has been run blocking. If any position group has the ability to complement another on offense more than others, it’s the ability a good OL has to make a mediocre RB look good. We have the talent to have a good passing game, but the QB position feels unsettled with the frontrunners being a guy still learning the playbook and a guy not 100% healthy. To open the season, we should lead with the running game and see how the passing game develops over time. If it proves dangerous, make it more prominent.

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      Only argument for me is our OL seemed to be better at run blocking than pass protection last year. That, and Colletto was nearly unstoppable on 4th down runs which saved quite a few drives for us. Last year QBs had very little time to either pass or scramble for a few yards. I’m expecting more of the same. But if the game has slowed down enough for Gebbia, that won’t be as much of an issue. Also, having more capable receivers will undoubtedly make the QBs job a little easier and require less time in pass protect mode.

      To me it seems we’re set up personnel wise to be pass first to spread things out and then run, but my preference would be to be run first and throw in some play action to get receivers some space for extra yards after catch.
      I just think we will need to control time of possession and turnovers to be successful, and a pass first offense wont help that. But as a fan, the passing offense will be fun to watch when it’s clicking.

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    • What are we basing last year’s pass protection perceived woes on? Eye test, stats that back that up, something else?

      The sample was smaller than most years at 7 games, and we had no OCC to bump our stats up, so both would skew any statistical argument. Also, our line is larger this year based on the numbers we just saw.

      I hope we go pass first this year. We have the personnel for it.

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      • PFF rating for run blocking was higher for every OL starter than pass blocking.

        Our run blocking stats here are better than pass blocking (I’m looking at line yards, which generally gives credit for the first few yards of each run, with credit diminishing the longer the run goes; and sack rate on passing downs…overall, we still look surprisingly good if you look at these stats as a whole.)- https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2020

        Also based on my feeling from watching games.

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        I would say eye test. I just don’t see our lines stacking up well against Oregon, UW, or Utah in pass protection, and I don’t see our WR corps being better than their secondary personnel. Any shot at winning the north goes through those three teams.

        If we run the ball effectively (using a 12 personnel with Q) on first and second down, we’ll win each of those three games. Any QB can throw for 350 on 15 attempts if the offense is averaging five yards a carry.

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      • Its run first for the reasons stated above. The offensive line is dominant one in blocking and with added size they should be even better.

        They struggled in pass protection especially at the beginning of the year. Gebbia was getting murdered against WSU. If he wasn’t getting sacked he was hurried or knocked down.

        Noyer and Gebbia seem more like game managers and take advantage of play action kind of QBs not so much sling the ball all over the field.

        The WRs have a lot of talent and potential but are unproven. We’re not used to having 4 stars at OSU but most of the other Pac 12 schools do at receiver and that hasn’t translated to throwing it all over everybody.

        Like was said before this team needs to control the clock, take care of the ball, and win the field position game unless the defense can prove they’re better.

        I like the idea of leaning on the running game to start out and let the passing game develop and see where it takes us.

        I said above that you can leave Quitoriano in to block so you can get the real explosive players ie. WRs the ball.

        Lindgren has said that he’s not sure what type of team this will be yet. We’ll know a lot more after the scrimmage.

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        • Neither Noyer or Gebbia has shown a great TD:INT ratio yet. Not that it couldn’t happen with improved receivers and pass blocking, but the body of work isn’t there yet. Captain Obvious here, but I look for a 3-0 preseason, with the clarity RE starting receivers by halftime at home against UI, starters resting second half against UI, and prep for USC with clear starters at QB, WR.

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      My biggest reason for Run First is that when the clock is running with the ball in our RB hands the defense is on the sideline. I’m optimistic about the defense being better this year, but the stats haven’t been there to back them up.

      My second reason is that neither of these qb’s have actually proven much. Gebbia hasn’t played a solid complete game and Noyer has won but not because of his great QB play. I’m optimistic that they will be serviceable this year but again I hope that they are not required to be everything.

      I’m saying run first but not for them to be one dimensional. Take what a team gives you and if they load the box, then beat them with these quality WRs. But start by using your biggest proven strength and I think that is the OL.

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        Good point with the defense. It should be better but we couldn’t stop anyone on 3rd or 4th down regardless of the yardage. Maybe the idea now is to try and win shoot outs. I’d still like to see the run game be the primary focus and try to win the clock game but the fun part of me wants to see what all these 4* recruits at WR have to offer and go air raid.

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    • That’ exactly what i was thinking would happen back when NIL came into being. My example was Alabama gobbling up walkons, but BYU is showing everybody how to do it.
      Poorer schools and small market schools will continue to be fucked. Unless you have some mega boosters or a market that will help make NIL deals possible, you wont be able to compete

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      • Reading a little more into this. The state of Utah never passed any NIL laws before the NCAA went ahead amd basically gave all NCAA teams the blanket no rules approach to NIL, as long as they follow state laws. If a school is in a state with no NIL laws, it’s up to the school to make up their rules.

        So Utah has pretty much no restrictions, but states like Oregon have rules already in place that an NIL deal cannot be contingent on attending a specific school. So BYU can have a deal for every walk on attending their school because the state laws dont exist. OSU and Oregon cant broker a similar deal even if they had a sponsor willing to pay the bill.

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    Lots of focus on our offense on this site lately, but I dont really have much concern about the offense. They have plenty of options and should be able to match up with most teams.

    But already on defense, 2 of our 3 starting D-Linemen are already injured with less than 1 week of camp under our belts. Hodgins will be out for an extended time and Schad has a “nothing serious” knee injury that has him sitting out every day with a brace on his leg.
    So the answer for next man up has been 2 walkons, Skelton and Cody Anderson. And then we have a bunch of unproven guys behind them. 6 guys( Reichner, Hennessey, Sio, Faamao, Shippen, Anderson) combined have less total reps on the DL than our best remaining starter. (Sandberg)
    So in 2 more weeks of practice, will the rest remain healthy and Schad suddenly recover? I’m not taking that bet.
    Our defense is going to be terrible again, despite having pretty good quality at the LB and DB positions.

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      • Yep, make that 7 guys with less combined reps than Sandberg. I dont remember how much Rawls played last year, but that could be 8 if he can be included in that group.

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      I think Rawls is the best and most disruptive D linemen we have, even when everyone is healthy. Not sure why people keep forgetting him. Tibs talked up him and Shippen after practice today. D line is this team’s weakest link either way so we were always in trouble here regardless. Having the extra bodies is good but none of them outside of potentially Rawls and Shippen are impact players IMO.. so anything that clears the way for these two to play more could actually be a good thing.

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    Jesiah Irish has switched back to WR after trying out DB. This honestly could be a sign of good CB play from the others but idk.

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      I’ve been watching some ridiculous stuff (old games, simulations) on YT lately because I’m hyped for this season. I came across this Xbox simulation of the Purdue game, and in it Irish completely goes off. So funny. I think he had like 3 TDS and was the starting WR. We lost 36-33 in the final seconds. That part did sound about right.

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        Simulation probably didn’t consider recent news re: purdue personnel.
        –projected LB Semisi Fakasiieiki will have surgery on his right ankle. Was injured Monday.
        –wide receiver/ kick returner TJ Sheffield “bit a paramedic’s forearm as she tried to strap him to a stretcher on May 2” after roommates called 911 saying that TJ “might have alcohol poisoning and had blood in his vomit, ” Trial set for Sept 22. Situation is being handled “internally”.

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        I think this season is going to be interesting and entertaining. I think the Beavs surprise a number of teams with Fenwick, the improvement in D strength and DB skills….diverse depth at TE…offensive line strength…I’m sure some of it will be painfully frustrating if Beaver football history is any indication, but it will be an interesting, entertaining season with a bowl game.

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    • Ian Massey arrived on campus this week, I think. Wonder if he is already ahead of Irish and if that prompted the move back to offense?

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    I had mentionee the Beavs were looking for a new kicker and offered several JUCO guys recently. Looks like they have their guy, Atticus Sappington. Local dude who I believe played at Central Catholic in Portland before going JUCO.
    He’s already attending practice and is on the roster.
    His parents are owners of the trendy Country Cat restaurant in the Portland area, near Montavilla.

    https://osubeavers.com/sports/football/roster/atticus-sappington/8971

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  83. Country Cat in Montavilla closed a couple years ago. Was a bummer, it was a great restaurant. There is still a PDX location though, and I think they opened a vegetarian restaurant on Hawthorne too.

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    • They’re currently at the airport, but it’s a more limited menu. Been hopeful the main restaurant closure was just a temporary Covid thing.

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        Tell me more. What dishes did you have there and what did you not like? I think you’re full of shit and just trying to act in-the-know for some weird reason.

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    Wright sounds like the hype is real and he is going to be quite a bit better than his brother.

    Arnold had 2 interceptions in practice today. Hopefully he’s taking a large step forward. That could go a long way in making the defense better.

    I’m glad Hodgins injury happened early enough to allow other guys to get more reps and be prepared. Seems like there are quite a few candidates to potentially break out.

    Lolohea ran with the 1s today.

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      Arnold needs to gain consistency. Last year he was either making a good play or getting burned, whether on routes or tackles. hopefully he can be more consistent in his play.

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    From the GT:
    Wright comments on using his body to force an incomplete vs Tongue:
    “It really depends on the receiver and what type of guy I’m going up against. Guys like Makiya, he’s a bigger receiver, easier to get my hands on,” Wright said. “I don’t think he’d really challenge me down field. I don’t want to say it was easy, but it was pretty easy.”

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    2021 PAC12 football games missed due to COVID will not be rescheduled, but forfeited.

    “Following consultation with the Pac-12 Athletic Directors Committee, the Pac-12 has determined that its prior longstanding game forfeiture rule … that was temporarily modified for this past season due to COVID-19, shall once again be applied for this coming athletic season,” the league said in a statement. “In accordance with that rule, if an institution is unable to play a contest through its own fault, it shall forfeit such contest to its opponent.

    “Any forfeited contest shall be regarded as a conference loss for the team making the forfeit and a conference win for its opponent. The Pac-12 rule provides the Commissioner with discretion to determine whether an institution is at fault or primarily at fault for an inability to play a contest based on the facts of the situation.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2021/08/12/pac-12-teams-face-forfeit-covid-19-outbreak/8110981002/

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    What did you guys think of that corn field baseball game last night? I feel like MLB is on the right track with that. If there are going to be only three outcomes to every at bat, then they better give us something pretty to look at.

    Sports are being disrupted. I should make a post about this. But basically things like Skillz and gaming tournaments will replace actual sports one day. The reaction by leagues has been to jack up all the big outcomes (i.e. more HRs, more TDs via lame PI rules, etc), which is actually going to accelerate their decline. We’re in the early stages of this disruption. NIL is going to help. I’m not sure on ratings this year. I’m actually stoked for the season, but I will only be watching the Beavs (and maybe a few Duck games). My guess is I’ll watch 15 games this year. Five years ago I’d watch 100+ games. People laugh at the wiffle ball thing, but it’s actually a better product once you get into it. Many outcomes, players with a love of the game, etc. Fantastic stuff, and YT will continue to facilitate that. Between YT leagues and companies like Skillz on the AI/VR gaming end, sports will look radically different in ten years.

    I’m thinking how to adopt AB for it. Might have to start finding the big NCAA football sim channels on YT and review those instead of real games. We’ll be yelling at some kid managing his video game version of the Beavs. Very odd but it’s going to be reality.

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    • Loved the game, got to sit down and watch the bottom of 9th with my boy, which was even cooler. Great setting and fun game. Could have done with less Kevin Costner wandering around and talking. Not sure if they’re planning to do again or not, but I hope so.

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        Nice. I watched the first inning and ninth inning. Both were excellent. Pregames should be a thing of the past. That Costner pregame was brutal.

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      Nothing is going to “replace” sports as we think of them now. We’re just going to get more and more options to the point where audiences get fragmented and there’s little common spectating experience left in them. Everyone will have their own little bubbles that they live in.

      This has already happened in the world of celebrity (if you want to call it that). There are people that are “famous” and have millions of followers on social media, make a living off their own personal brand, yet aren’t known to the vast majority of people. Social media has made the media business uber-efficient by quasi-decentralizing content delivery.

      I’m kind of excited for this change in college football if it means less money and a slightly smaller, but consistent following.

      AB will still have its place in this world, as long as OSU football exists. It’s already its own subculture, so it won’t have to change much.

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        Nothing is going to “replace” sports as we think of them now.

        It’s hard for people to imagine radically different worlds. But people said that about horses (cars), wagons (trains), vinyl (cds), CDs (MP3s), etc. Every radical change had that comment attached to it. It’s always difficult to imagine radical change.

        But it’s the natural progression. The fully realized (short-term) natural progression is people wearing computers on their face (e.g. Vuzix) or implanting them, and then living in a virtual world with their free time. Analog sports (i.e. real players on a real field) will have little place in this world. The long-term (millions of years out) natural progression is even stranger, but I won’t get into that in detail here. It involves dimensions to affect outcomes, though.

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          I disagree. Humans are built to enjoy and need physical exertion. This need isn’t going to change. There will always be games that harness this need, even if the ways people use their leisure time continues to fragment as the number of choices grows.

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            We shall see. Since video games were introduced half a century ago, physical exertion has been in steady decline. It’s on the cusp of going exponential. Humans are also wired to conserve energy and succumb to their monkey brains (i.e. pleasure). Key points you’re missing. If you can get the feeling of joy yet not exert the energy, the brain will perceive this as the best of both worlds.

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            What dorm did you live in Angry? You remind me of the mega dork down the hall from me freshman year….

            Those who played sports know that the feeling of actually playing will not be entirely replaced completely by video games or virtual reality. Sure, sports participation may be in decline but that’s mostly by the kids who weren’t good anyway.

            I still bet that football viewing numbers will be higher this year.

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            You’re making assumptions that I play video games and/or don’t play sports.

            I don’t play video games, but I stay up to date on all technology and human nature, and I always remain open-minded to what younger generations are doing and find valuable. I grew up playing sports (and video games). I preferred to play sports, but the virtual worlds were really bad back then.

            I checked out Oculus recently to see where we’re at, and it’s still pretty bad (seems 10 years away from being anything close to the real world), and even with this bad VR we’re still seeing a decline in physical activity for video games and a huge uptick in eSports. These trends are not going to reverse as technology gets better. The trends will only get worse.

            Those who played sports know that the feeling of actually playing will not be entirely replaced completely by video games or virtual reality.

            Again, people said that same about the feeling of riding a horse drawn carriage cross country when they were threatened by the rail. I’ve read many quotes like this by Luddites in the texts from that era. It is literally the sentiment of every “creative destruction” moment. Remember when people said Tesla were an absolute failure because they were crashing into things? It’s actually a known thing to search for these sentiments because it’s one of the signs of early disruption.

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          • It will be interesting to see how youth sports rebound from 2020. Pre-pandemic, only tackle football and soccer were losing meaningful participation numbers, and flag football participation was replacing the majority of lost tackle football players. Participation rate changes were strongly correlated with family income, so my guess is the K-shaped recovery is going to hurt overall numbers. The changes over the last decade haven’t been nearly as drastic as I expected them to be, though.

            Anecdotally, my kids and their friends all play both video games and sports. The ones that exclusively play Fortnite, Roblox, etc. are outliers.

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            How to you compare football to horse & buggy? Football has millions of fans, colleges have 80,000+ coming to watch on Saturday. They do this for fun, for camaraderie, for history, a sense of belonging. Athletes participate also for fun, to prove themselves, a feeling of accomplishment. Perhaps people were skeptical of railway but it’s not like the buggy brought them joy. It’s a mode of transportation that over time has eased travel for all purposes.

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    • I’m regards to baseballs latest gimmick to get fans interested, I heard they may start working with Barstool sports. Don’t know much about them but sounds like it would help the game reach a younger audience.

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    Aaaand just like that, someone posts a negative gold article and it pops the next day on collapsing consumer sentiment. Inflation is here, COVID fear is rampant, and the Roaring 20’s expectations are dead.

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        Personally, I find the current setup best to play via call options on something like GLD. Limited downside, good upside, and with gold in no-man’s land it’s the safest risk profile IMO. I’m not adding physical gold here. Are you interested in long-term holding or flipping for a trade? Are you interested in taking possession of physical metal or investing in something like GLD?

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            If you’re going to buy physical metal and hold for a long time then I think entry here is fine. If I had no position I’d start small, and I’d start in the silver market before gold. This isn’t investment advice of course just what I’d do in that situation.

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    Just saw the news that July was earth’s hottest month ever recorded. Wonder if we see some of those AZ recruits start to flip. ;)
    Global warming could offset NIL issues.

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      One climate projection effort uses comparative cities to communicate future change in a more relatable way. The projection for Portland is that in about 60 years it will have climate comparable to Sacramento California.

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    Lost in the shuffle from yesterday…Gebbia reportedly won the day at QB, playing with the 1st team offense and outperforming Noyer (who ran with the 2’s).

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      I think Sio will make some impact plays this year and be a beast next year.

      Eldridge is an experienced, above average PAC lineman, so that example is promising.

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    • I wouldn’t necessarily call him dominating as Cs usually allow themselves to be pushed back as long as they stay in front of them but he does look huge and powerful. If he can push the pocket like that it could make for a big year for the OLBs.

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    Predictions are meaningless, but they’re fun to make while we’re waiting for the season to start.

    What are some of your guys predictions for the conference, in general?

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      Beavs could either:
      A) faceplant again due to injuries, coaching errors and higher expectations 4-12
      B) lose games they should have won, win a game they shouldn’t and be slightly better than last year 6-6
      C) knock on the door and come up short like Cal did for a while, but not win the North 8-4
      D) surprise the entire conference, stay injury free, dominate on defense, mature/physical team win North/and go to Rose Bowl at 12-1

      I expect B, hope for C, and predict D :)

      COnference wide:
      Soouth by team-
      USC to run over the conference and still get to the championship in spite of themselves, 10-2
      ASU is in turmoil on the coaching side 7-5
      Utah may be better than USC but can’t beat them in big games 9-3
      UCLA-CHip has lost the magic, 6-6
      Colorado- Back down to earth this year 4-8
      Arizona- Maybe small steps but no surprises 2-10

      North-
      Ducks- Uneven season relying on their defense but likely lose a few due to Cristobal and qb play. 9-3
      UW- Lake is overrated, formidable o-line (possibly overrated as well), defense is living off of the reputation of 3 years ago, qb is suspect 8-4
      Cal- Wilcox will get to scowl for another year at his offense, and come up on the losing woulda/coulda games 7-5
      WSU- Coaching issues already with Covid stuff only leads to more dysfunction, Beavs get revenge, WSU is back to doormat of the conference 3-9
      Stanford- Shaw has been employing smoke and mirrors since McCaffrey left, Stanford has finally crested and is now descending 5-7
      OSU- Beavs rise to the top of PAC12 in a dream season, no major injuries, magical run of physical defense and balanced offense reminds us of DE era, Rose Bowl bound at 11-1, Civil War win caps an undefeated North schedule, only loss to Utah on the road, defeat USC in a thriller for the Rose Bowl berth

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        I got Beavs 8-4. They drop game one I think 3-9 is likely. Confidence is huge and losing to Purdue will doom the team, if not the coach’s.

        I seriously hope and expect a win in that game. If it’s a L than angry Beavs got a new bad ass side kick to be the bear of this forum.

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      4-8… can’t stop run. Competitive again but depth is concern, not good enough in the trenches, and ok but not great QB. If we can get great play at QB and stay healthy on d line, 8-4 is possible.

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      3 wins with lots of close losses. Inconsistent QB play and poor defense dooms us again. TT gets fired in response to JS being on the hot seat.

      That said, every team in the North has questions and this could just as easily be our breakthrough year, but we need breakthrough years at QB and DL to make that happen. Maybe Sio ends up being a position changing catalyst like Nall?

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        Smith has 2 wins, 5 wins, 2 wins…if he only wins 3 this year with the most depth they’ve ever had under him, and upperclassmen at key positions, that would be a huge disappointment and extremely bearish for Smith’s future. Has to get to a bowl this year. Bottom line.

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    • I see this team between 4-8 and 8-4. I think they’ll ride this offensive line and have one of the top offenses in the nation. They’ll make whoever is QB and RB look good. Beason, Harrison, Musgrave, and Fenwick have breakout years.

      The defense improves enough to reach a bowl game by forcing turnovers. Wright, Gumbs, Sio all breakout. Sio is able to solidify the middle and stuff the run and push the pocket into the QBs lap allowing our DEs to rack up sacks.

      Special teams is better and doesn’t allow any returns for TDs. Everret is solid and decides a game or two and Gould is a star returner. Loecher is able to help the team win the field position battle.

      I think they need to take care of the ball well like they’ve done pretty good in Smith’s tenure. If they can do that and force some more turnovers it could be the difference in a lot of games that were close losses last year. Wright sounds like he should be good for at least a couple of picks this year

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  98. Things looking to hear about in the scrimmage today.
    *Obviously QB play. Do we have a guy ready to lead a talented offense.
    *Who is going to break out at WR? Beason takes the next step, Harrison, Tongue, Dunmore, or Lisdsay live up to their potential? Bradford has his best season?.
    *RB Carry shares. Doubt we find out much from this scrimmage here.
    * DL who replaces Hodgins? How does Sio look? Will they be more stout at the point of attack?
    DB who will start opposite of Wright? Who are the starting safeties going to be? Can the safeties be better in pass coverage and force turnovers?
    LB are guys ready to step up behind the proven ILBs?
    K is everrett going to be reliable inside the 35?

    Probably most of this won’t be answered today but hopefully we can get a better feel for things. Who knows how intense the scrimmage will actually be? Biggest thing is to stay healthy. They can’t afford anymore injuries.

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