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Let’s go general here.

Some ideas from the prior thread: recruiting, baseball.

Also, Fall camp starts August 6th, which will be here before we know it. It might be the last year of watchable football before NIL can start doing max damage.

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    Repost from last thread.

    Hickle initial composite at 0.8581. Great scouting from OSU on this young man.

    10th average in the conference. 5th ranked class. 49th class in the country. One of.thw highest averages of any school with 0 4 or 5 star recruits.

    It’s a good class.

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    PAC needs to get to 16 and secure its status as one of the P4s. I think they would be best served moving right after the SEC for more thunder. If they don’t we will be do susceptible to being whittled away. FOX right now is interested in rying to pump up the B1G property. They will talk with USC, UCLA, Oregon, UW and Colorado. Not good as an Oregon State fan who with a 16 team conference could instead have a permanent NW pod and potentially even playing every original Pac-8 team every year.

    Texas markets and recruiting can actually slightly improve the on field performance with what is left and still allow our next TV deal to be worth just over 40 million per school. (Around 42 million per is my guess) when reworked in 2023.

    Best option is a heavy Texas presence (3 teams). Could either be Tech, oSu, TCU, Baylor or swapping out Baylor for Houston if the Cali schools are against Baylor. Houston is one of the best recruiting beds and is a Top 4 TV market. Also depends on who the other invitees want. This conference atleast would have a. Ton of fun and entertaining games that are competitive and not having to deal with the Whorns may not be the worst. If we don’t move and secure that P4 status and guarantee our survival, I think we are going to stay vulnerable.

    Think is best for the respect we get nationally to make a Pac-16 the best we can with strong recruiting and TV markets/exposure in Texas and hope SEC gets a little stale with top teams dominating. Could see that making Pac-16 a conference quite a few more people nationally enjoy watching the games of, and some earlier CST time zone games will also help that exposure. Also think the 4 x16 model has built in possibilities like 16 pod winners auto qualifying for a 16 team Playoff. Could icrease the leverage of non-SEC P4 if the Pac-16, B1G and ACC work together to limit SEC power from getting too extreme.

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        I’d rather have two Texas schools and dump Kansas. They are good at basketball most years but that’s it. Houston, Baylor, TCU,Texas Tech.. whatever

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            They made the final four in 2018, 2012, 2003, 2002, 1993 In the last 30 years. That’s great but not top 5 every year.

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          Noooooo!!!! We need a Kansas! Keeps the Beavs from being the laughingstock and bottom fodder.

          Old enough to remember KU coming to Parker in the late 80’s and kicking the shit out of the Beavs. Had a stud d line player by the name of Dana Stubblefield. Think Glen Mason was the head coach.

          Nightmares. And getting old. Sigh.

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      Two Texas schools (preferably Houston and Baylor) and the two Kansas schools would be good additions to the conference recruiting wise. The Kansas City area is loaded with high school talent.

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      No. Thats why its a pipe dream.

      Honestly I’m more worried about a handful of Pac-12 schools jumping ship and leaving the WSU’s and OSU’s of the conference holding the bag.

      I wrote a few years ago that OSU should drop down to the mountain west conference and was ridiculed for it.

      From a non academic perspective, does it look like such a bad option considering the path to a major bowl might be easier as a group of 5 team instead of trying to run the gauntlet as a P5 school?

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    The new commish will earn his money if he can do what Scott couldn’t 10 years ago, bring PAC12 footprint into Texas/midwest timezone. PAC12 may be at the crossroads of seeing SEC attempt to create its own cfp in house by poaching all of the longtime college powers. How long until they attempt to pull USC out of the Pac?

    It seemed unthinkable that Texas and OK would leave as the flagship programs. SEC money is flowing and tempting.

    Pac12 needs to respond asap and get on the phone with the remaining Texas schools, and OK st perhaps and close the deal. Objections over academic standards are misguided due to the nature of college football becoming a semi pro league. SEC is in the process of attempting to dissolve the Big10 in order to clear the decks for 4 super conferences and by pulling Texas and OK they have assured SEC of at least 5 playoff teams each year and huge money returns for any school in their conference going forward. Pac will still be hoping to land 1-2 teams as an afterthought.

    Someone did a breakdown of all D1 football schools and the math shows that 4 16 team super-conferences leaves many current programs on the outside looking in. 64 teams will be in these future conferences and new commish should have a plan in place to maintain and grow Pac12 right now…

    My guess is that any school worth grabbing out of BIg12 will be contacted by Big10 first and they should prefer to go east towards the espn coverage window, but PAC12 will get leftovers if they wait too long. It should be a priority to get into Texas and the midwest time-zones though, before worrying about academics of schools.

    SEC is going to 4 regional pods of 4 teams, PAC12 could do the same with Cal schools, NW, mountain includes AZ, and new schools from Big12 as their own pod, rotate scheduling year to year and have a 2 round conference playoff for a conference champ. SEC will do it and make multimillions off it. Pac can do the same and begin the move to a semipro league with light school affiliation. This is where it is going. Emmert said NCAA may not really be in the oversight business much longer, just the tournament business.

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    • How many Beavs are even in the Olympics?
      Jade Carey and then there’s an incoming Aussie softball pitcher who played well yesterday.
      And then we have a couple of assistant coaches working on various teams (WBB and Wrestling I believe?)

      Anybody else?

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    Two options are all I see it. I think standing pat without other significant changes is dumb and too unknown and thus dangerous.

    1) Get a good pod of Central timezone teams, with a focus on Texas markets and recruiting, to join a Pac-16 East and secure P4 status by getting all the P4 to then use a 4 x16 model. Situation is more stable and can last as long as the P4 is good with it. Have some leverage with Big Ten and ACC on keeping access into playoff could enough for all of P4. (Can consider breaking free from G5s.)

    2) If not the model above just staying as is is dangerous. We remain ahead of AAC by a good margin in dollars now but by performance on the field may only be a little ahead. If ESPN owns the AAC and is more aggressive and the SEC $$ starts keeping more recruits to the Southeast and less this side of the Rockies, then there is a scenario where if AAC grabs the best of what is left of Big 12, or vice versa, that they have some advantages from a recruiting standpoint and passion about football standpoint. Teams like Memphis and Cincy field pretty good teams and teams like Houston made the Final Four in basketball and have a strong market and recruiting bed. They have room to grow if in a stronger conference. This Big 12 remnant/AAC league wouldn’t be paid too well out of the gate but AAC are trending up. If in 5 or under 10 years ESPN had their rights as they do now I believe, and wanted to promote them that could get problematic for the Pac-12. 10 years or so from now ESPN may have the money and incentive to pull some PAC teams into this league to prop it up more for their own gain.

    Fox does have some interest but issue is ESPN is going to solely own the 12 team or whatever Ntional Playoff most likely. They control the narrative and are the biggest proper or minimizer of a conference. So if it gets any worse as far as any conference going beyond 16 teams, then at that point you just walk away with Fox maybe owning the Big Ten and Pac-12 in a future deal and do your own Pac12 or Pac-16 vs Big Ten thing up to 32 teams max. The Rose is returned to atleast the 2nd biggest game in the nation as the championship of this PAC and Big Ten arrangement and you forget about what the SEC and ESPN are doing. Screw them if it came to this.

    Bottom line is PAC is best to firmly claim its P4 status, either in a 4×16 model, or by breaking free with Big Ten so that we also are clearly a P4 conference and paid appropriately.

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    3rd option) Force Big 12 merger without West Virginia and replace them with Houston or another team. Pac-10 would be West division and Utah/Colorado join the East in a 20 team conference. Go for a P3 model and being first and would be under our commissioner. Have options to get to 24 teams down the road max and own most of the West but not all with SEC now firmly in Texas and Oklahoma.

    This would be a premier league of 60 teams but couldn’t go beyond 72 without elevating a P4 as not enough quality teams would remain for our conference to get beyond 24 down the road and seem close to on par. Beyond that there would just be a P4 or P2.

    In a 4×16 model though with PAC, B1G. SEC and ACC there are enough teams to each get to an ultimate 20 each sometime down the road amd still fit into 4×20 model for PAC, B1G, SEC and ACC.

    Don’t see any other models besides these unless we get 1 commissioner and it is just 32 elite teams (do not want) or geographic divisions under 1 governing body which are similar to a P3 with 60 or P4 with 64 and details are worked out.

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    Oregon offers Nate Vidlak for baseball. Seems like a good talent that the Beavs should be offering…baseball or football.

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      Just watched some video. 83-85 miles per hour, marginal off speed stuff. Granted, that was nearly a year ago. I’m guessing we’ve done the scouting on him and passed.

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        Could be. Still has a year though I think. Oregon obviously sees something there. Big brother got slept on as well not to mention that’s how Casey built his legacy, starting with keeping the local talent. Obviously we have more recruiting prowess now but it’s still a good idea for the Beavs to be keeping good local talent.

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    One pundit suggests that the B10 go after USC and Oregon “(Nike!)” and maybe UCLA for their “brands.”

    This quote from Ohio State HC day is pretty hilarious in terms of the understatement:

    “Day isn’t sure what to make of it all.

    “I honestly can’t tell you which way is up,” Day said Friday during Big Ten media days in Indianapolis. “To sit here and tell you, with the one-time transfer, with name, image and likeness … CFP expansion, realignment, it’s like, ‘Wow,’ there’s just so many things right now. We may wake up in five years and not recognize college football.”

    Seems like we may be heading towards a four division, “minor pro league”….

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      NFL needs to pay for this, and colleges need to reinvent themselves. There will come from this a huge audience for a more pure game. Could broadcast it free on YouTube. Something like the Ivy League model with no scholarships, etc…get all the teams in the PAC to play one another. Cheap and awesome. I know this is possible in the modern age. Tons of amateur leagues have popped up on YT with enormous success.

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        Interesting idea. I’d watch OSU football under that model. Universities, divesting themselves of football admin, could focus on education, including improved remote learning integration with some use of the historical, on-campus model, and making education more affordable.

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        Which ones have been successful? I’m not saying your wrong but I don’t think the average sports fan watches those leagues. I consider myself one and don’t really know the leagues you are referring to. I think it would turn into college baseball where you follow it if your team is doing well.

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          Well I mentioned that MWL wiffle ball league on here. People laughed and mocked. It brings in millions, and they’ve created an entire brand. ESPN even had them on. Most importantly: it’s high quality content that’s highly entertaining. That league was created by kids who had zero resources. I think colleges could figure it out quickly. I watch MLB and NCAAB, and this wiffle ball league is more entertaining. Wiffle ball alone has dozens of successful leagues on YT. I don’t like them all, but there are several high quality leagues. But there are also adult hardball, softball, flag football leagues on there with large audiences. On top of that, you have virtual leagues where people play one another in video games and broadcast their tournaments on YT. Whether you know any of this content isn’t really the point – the point is that it’s all very possible. Thanks to technology, anyone can create a league, and the best ones will rise. The best ones are in the process of replacing traditional sports. OSU could create a pure product where guys who love playing football play football, and fans would be all over that, I think. I don’t believe any bearish arguments, and view that mindset as simply not progressive enough with their thinking. Someone on campus should do this now because it, not the PAC16, is the future. Traditional leagues just like traditional newspapers, tv shows, et al will be dinosaurs. Bad product that they’ve made worse as they lose viewership. That is bearish for them and extremely bullish for alternatives.

          Some reading: https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/intl/en-gb/marketing-strategies/video/8-ways-youtube-changing-sports-fandom-better/

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          • Wiffle ball
            League? E sports? These are the same fans that watch college football? It is the point if I know of these leagues. If I don’t, I’m not the k lot guys that isn’t tracking wiffle ball. I haven’t heard of anyone asking me about wiffle ball on espn. You
            Watch ten minutes of a beaver baseball game but follow wiffle ball? How are these leagues going to bring in revenue for donors and for
            Tickets etc similar to college football with low viewership?

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            I answered your question. And now I regret that I did because you’re clearly not open minded.
            Keep being bearish on the future. NCAAF as it stands is NOT the future of sports entertainment.

            The wiffle ball league I mentioned on YT has yearly earnings of 600k and was on ESPN. You’re asking how YT results in money? You really don’t understand this? Those kids are 22 years old making 600k per year because they put a ton of work into their production and had the vision to put their league online. This is the future of sports along with video games/virtual reality.

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        I’ve been considering re-directing my fandom towards PSU in the Big Sky if P5 college football becomes too much of a clusterF, but seems like the same issues will still be there, just on a smaller scale. PSU hasn’t been competitive in years, and their league has Montana and EWU which have much more fan support and deeper pockets. They’re basically the OSU of the Big Sky, except they do have one of the bigger markets, being located in the city.(Sacramento might be the only other close team in terms of market size)
        Also on the downside, PSU now plays out in Hillsboro ever since the Timbers kicked them out of Providence Park. I miss the days of being able to travel 15 minutes for a college football game and have a nice stadium all to myself on Saturdays.

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          bruh, I wont be surprised if they fold shop. They are currently reviewing the athletic programs and during the review the AD left for the MAC club lol. PSU doesnt have a football stadium and was too dumb to partner with Lincoln and their camps/stadium rebuild.

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            I’m definitely a glutton for punishment. Moving from OSU to PSU would be going from bad to worse. They just happen to be my 2 schools I have some affiliation too. I’m not a front runner that only follows teams that are good, but it can also take it’s toll.

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        Could NFL/Owners pay NCAA teams through (exclusive?) NIL deals to market their team/other product? Essentially establishing “minor league affiliation?” Jerry Jones pays Alabama to endorse the cowboys and his business ventures for example?

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            I think it is.
            Imagine if Jerry Jones starts giving Alabama money? Lol. Alabama fans might even stop watching because it’s then blatant everything they “earned” was bought.

            The healthiest thing for all is the NFL formally takes over these teams, and colleges form new teams/leagues.

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    Yeah, is time to drop the Confetence names. Just need a 4 division mini-NFl now of 64 teams as nothing is going to stop it in NIL Era. Is best for us to be under that same umbrella. Our West division may not be strongest but a collective of 64 teams will help to even out pay more and over time. If there are just West (PAC), North (B1G), East (ACC) and South (SEC) divisions it even increases the slight odds we can convince Texas and/or Oklahoma to join the West as a more favorable division. Don’t expect that because they want the bigger packed stadiums I believe and higher NIL payouts like the Alabama freshman QB who has already secured 1 million before playing a game. Do think this setup of 4 divisions and 64 teams also will allow a more equitable Playoff if done right. If South division is super strong they will scew it, but the viewership of the 64 team premier league will be high and very popular. Beats the heck out of just 32 elite teams which is not near enough and would leave70% of teams on the outside. 64 always felt like the right number where it will maximize the potential for TV and large enough swath of teams. Pods help keep a mini-regional aspect also that I think will be a positive.

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    It’s also interesting that we’re seeing the typical death throes of large things. Instead of getting smaller, which is required to fix the product, the NCAA’s response is to expand and get larger. This is what all large entities (e.g. corporations, governments) do once they peak, run out of ideas, and fail to see future trends or what’s important to their audience. It’s absurd to believe expanding to get larger and form a PAC16 will solve the problem. But that’s the belief. And they will throw a lot of money at this narrative trying to convince us that this is the solution.

    The solution to 18 year old millionaires running around an educational campus is to add Texas to the league? Okay…

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    64 is perfect for a Premier Power 64 league in 4 x16 model. Allows a 64 team G5 also so they literally can do the same model for their play & Championship. If they want to consider relegation I would be OK with it. Each G5 winner of West, North, East, South could replace lowest ranked from the respective four Power 64 divisions. Relegation isn’t mandatory but an option if the G5 had enough interest. If they considered that I would prefer for Power 64 teams to only play eachother and G5 teams in the lower 64 league would have to earn right to play up in the Premier Legaue for a year.

    That said probably easiest to just set up two distinct 64 team leagues with one being Premier and Oregon State is fortunate as they likely will be in, as long as the solution is kept more elegant with fewer moves required to form a Power 64 League with 4 geographic divisions. Maybe just do that for 12+ years and give it a chance and relegation is something that can be looked at down the road but not for awhile.

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    I’m curious to hear ratings predictions for the upcoming season. Last year had the lowest ratings in NCAAF history (-30% YOY!!). I’m going to say this year has another 10% decline. Let’s hear your predictions.

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      I doubt my habits change much from last season, which was the least I’ve watched in ~20 years. I could see it slightly down to slightly up nationwide. I bet folks in the south will watch a lot more than they did last year, so that could swing things a little bit. Probably down in the west and northeast.

      I think this is the end of the beginning of the end of college football. The more traditional rivalries they do away with in the name of money, the less I care and I know I’m not the only one in that boat.

      There’s a reason I don’t watch the NFL. If the NFL wants a minor league system, let them pay the bills for it. I want nothing to do with it. In the past, we might have a punchers chance every once in a while, like all programs do, of having some short term success. If there are some schools getting $100M in payouts from their super-conference, that leaves zero chance we’ll ever be able to compete, if they even allow us into some future B1G/Pac monstrosity. And all of this kills non-revenue sports.

      This whole thing sucks.

      I’m quickly talking myself into not watching any of this shit this year.

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        Exactly. I’ll likely watch this year because NIL won’t be rampant yet, but this is likely the last year of anything quasi-normal. MLB has ruined their product at the same time, so I’m now out my two favorite sports.

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    Don’t sleep on Liberty. They have a solid coach, potential first round QB, and a television agreement with ESPN. Best believe they get more ESPN air time than us.

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    What’s the school’s role at this point? Make sure employees are passing their Sociology 101 class so they can have permission to play, in exchange for a cut of the sports profits?

    I couldnt imagine the pressure on a sociology professor if they dare fail a 7 figure player and that player isnt allowed to play on Saturdays. Players/Players family/Coach/Employer/Boosters would all have you on their shit list, just for doing your job.

    Or the rent a cop who catches the player violating team rules and reports it. Not worth the trouble.

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      What’s the school’s role at this point?

      It’s still primarily to scout, free of charge, for the NFL. The NFL gets the added benefit of seeing how mature or immature players are with their finances. I know they value those types of things, so this is a big win for them. OSU will probably invent a class to teach athletes how to manage their NIL income.

      I can’t imagine being a student trying to actually learn as this reality TV show is brought to campuses. We might as well make college free at this point.

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    Is this a luck O’ da Beavs situation with NIL? Were finally trending up in the right direction and I think they have a legitimate shot at the north this year and next but now might be screwed by larger market teams getting all the talent and increasing the disparity of the have and have nots.

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      This year should be fine and the 2022 recruiting class looks good for now at least.. staying cautiously optimistic. For as long as I can. If you’re thinking the window is 21 and 22, I feel pretty good about that. Bigger concerns are long term imo.

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        I’m just saying the programs trajectory looks great between Smith and the transfer portal. It seems if they continue to improve the way they have they might be able to compete for the north or even the conference championship but with the NIL it could easily derail that. Maybe I have my orange colored glasses on but I don’t see anyone in the conference that scares me. Oregon with Cristobal are underachievers, I’m not sure Washington will continue to be as good as they were with Peterson, USC always has talent but can’t seem to ever put it all together, Utah is always tough but doesn’t have great talent and all the rest haven’t been consistently winners for a long time.
        Also with leach gone can WSU continue to overachieved?

        For this season I just don’t really see any big weaknesses on this team aside from DT depth and a proven starting safety opposite of Grant or another one when he plays nickel. It will be a year where Tibs needs to show big improvement with the scheme continuity and talent he now has. Unless they show big improvement he needs to go. Only way he gets a pass is if there is a large amount of injuries/covid or the offense for some reason regresses greatly.

        If the defense struggles again I say fire him and try to get Oregons DL coach.

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        And Texas and Oklahoma to SEC can’t happen until after 2025, correct? Smith has 4 years to win a Rose Bowl before things really get screwed up.

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    With the new transfer waiver rules, a good roster can be reduced to rubble in no time.
    Playing time and a town with minimal distractions on your path path to the NFL is the best we have to sell in Corvallis, and will hopefully keep talent coming here after they’ve flamed out elsewhere.

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      For many reasons I’m hoping Schad has a big year so we have a DL transfer poster boy. I think if Whitley hadn’t had the heart condition he could have been a great recruiting story.

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      So your concern is our young stars transferring to better schools to make more college $$ for a year or two?

      I’ve considered that, but I think at that point you’re only looking at an extra year or two before you go to the NFL, and I don’t think too many players would leave a good situation behind to learn a new system and fight a new depth chart, and just for a year or two.

      I think the transfer rules continue to help us much more than hurt us. PT will be king for transfers.

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        Yeah, I can’t imagine they can be that accurate coming out of the covid year with no data on incoming players.

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            I imagine it would be to much to ask that they play like the 06 team. I don’t think this team has those types of players and I understand your not saying its as good as that team which was so solid.

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      Ya they have it at like a 20% chance of beating Purdue. IDK why that is. I can’t see this team going 2-10 either. They were competitive in just about every game last year and should only be better this year. Jefferson is the only real loss but I think the Oline will make whoever is running the ball look good.

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        I’d put Beavs above 50% there. They have more talent overall and more depth than Purdue, and Beavs coaching staff is more together.

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        I think Smith and staff take the team in their with a much healthier mindset than recent, previous coaching staffs. I think they have a fair, 50% chance at least. The game is scheduled for 4 pm PST, so there shouldn’t be any time change issues.

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        • Agree, 50% or better chance to start the season 1-0
          I see some in Vegas now give ya 7 pts, BetMGM shows 5.5 and moneyline +200
          Any ideas on when to pull the trigger?

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          • I think if somebody is giving 7, take it. Granted last year was a weird season, but Purdue’s D was nothing special, giving up about 145 yards rushing per game, 250 yards passing, and 30 PPG. OSU’s diverse, balanced offense should enjoy that kind of balanced opportunity. Granted, performance doesn’t necessarily carry over year to year, and the strength of both teams has been the offense, but I like OSU to have the more improved D and the more productive scoring offense in this one.

            I maintain that transfer RB Fenwick is going to surprise people, and even in a secondary role I expect he’ll make impact plays at Purdue.

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    • Fine. Hope the opponents buy into that.

      While I wish Gebbia was healthy, Noyer looks like a great Plan B and I think he and Fenwick surprise people. Noyer in Lindgren’s system w/a very good O line, a stable of RBs, and good+ TEs is a very nice insurance policy.

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    I’m curious if college teams have roster limits. I know there are scholarship limits, but how many non scholarship players can they have? How likely will it be for teams to load up their rosters with high-ranked recruits without giving scholarships, and having boosters pay them a bunch of money instead? Is playing time going to be as valuable as cold hard cash? Maybe not for a lot of players.

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      Almost every football player I’ve spoken to thought they were good enough to play in the NFL. If the NFL is the ultimate goal, sitting on the bench, buried by 119 other players, is no way to showcase your ‘talent.’

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      It might force re-examination for more players of how likely their NFL prospects really are. Ultimately, you’re going to succeed with a team made up of guys who are the most driven to succeed. There are plenty of high-ranked recruits who fell by the wayside because they weren’t motivated enough. Does it really matter if your bench is loaded with those guys?

      The most motivated will transfer to programs where playing time is available. It’s beneficial for the sport that the transfer portal and NIL happened so close to each other. NIL without the transfer portal could be an even bigger disaster.

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    Maybe this has been said and is seems obvious to me but shockingly ESPN is who is leading the charge for Oklahoma and Texas to move into the SEC.

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    If the PAC 12 became the PAC 20.

    Western:

    USC
    UCLA
    Stanford
    CAL
    Arizona
    Arizona State
    Oregon
    Oregon State
    Washington
    Washington State

    Eastern:

    Utah
    BYU
    Colorado
    Boise State
    TCU
    Texas Tech
    Baylor
    Oklahoma State
    Kansas
    Kansas State

    Is a good move honestly. Anything that guarantees P4 status. This would do that and gives decent odds of even a P3, but Pac-12 position would be guaranteed. PAC needs atleast 16. Either a 4×16 or 4×20 model is in their best interest. 4×18 tougher to organize/schedule. Central Timezone is a must as if any other league picks the best of what remains in Texas, the PAC has hardly any options and little or no room for upside. Atleast here we do no worse than a definite P4 and get Texas recruiting and markets and are able to broadcast games for most of the day on Saturdays. DirecTV would very likely broadcast our network.

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        The Pac-10 is one division and play goes back to what most people liked best. Limited travel to the Eastern division but does maintain bonds and serves as a buffer so Pac-10 is protected, since we would be a clear P4. We then use that to promote a 4×20 model which serves the game better as sport will still have enough relevance across the country. I tend to think a 4×16 model for 15-20 years before going to 4×20 model ti involve a few more teams would be best, but that requires trust between the conferences. If a 4×16 model was under one commissioner it would be easier to have a future date in mind when 4×20 could be considered, but since we don’t have that yet, taking a step that secures P4 and limits other conferences are two important aspects we could help with this and have more calm again in the college football landscape. Our moves could be done for 50 years, whereas a 4×16 model is a bit more susceptible to changes in the following decade or so. To play our original Pac-10 foes every year for 30 years or something would be pretty amazing considering how unstable things seem now.

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    Anyone know when fall camp starts?

    There are some interesting questions/storylines heading in.
    1. QB Is Gebbia healthy? Who starts? Is Noyer the best and how deos he fit the offense?
    2. RB Who will start and how deep will they go into the stable? Is it a 1 2 punch or a larger committee. Is steward as good as Pitre?
    3. WR how will that shake out with all the talent that’s transferred in and Bradford back? Does champs role get minimized?
    4. DT Is schad the missing piece and can be a difference maker? How does Sio adjust and how much does he play? Can he be the big body they need? Who else will line up there besides Schad, Sio, and Skelton?
    5. LB Can Gumbs stays healthy and live up to his potential? Can he have a season like Rashed did a couple years ago? Is Robert’s fully healthy? Who will be the 2 starting OLBs?
    6. CB Who are the starting corners? Is Wright going to break out and be better than his brother like it was said when he was coming in? Is Jones the real deal and better than Austin?
    7. Safety Who plays opposite of Grant and fills in when he plays Nickel? Can Julian, Arnold, or Oladapo break out this season and be a quality pac12 starter? Does someone else step up and earn playing time?

    Hopefully these questions will be answered by the end of camp and the team is ready to go for the first game this season. I’m cautiously optimistic about this team and its probably from top to bottom the best roster in a long time.

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      The answer to that is in the original post, August 6th.

      Maybe I’ll work with NB if he’s interested in doing a depth chart. I have my ideas of who should start. Probably will be different than who does start because OSU always makes these errors for about half the season before realizing…

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    Just a heads up, I’m heading out on another extended camping trip starting tomorrow. No idea if I’ll have service or not, so it’s possible the twitter feed will be pretty quiet for the next 10 days.
    Hopefully things will still be pretty quiet during that period anyway. We do have a football camp being hosted by OSU this weekend, which could lead to a few scholarship offers.
    Not sure when the next round of official visits starts up, but I’m thinking they will mostly coincide with home game weekends in September.

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    Angry, you should pitch this to the new PAC Commissioner:

    “…colleges need to reinvent themselves. There will come from this a huge audience for a more pure game. Could broadcast it free on YouTube. Something like the Ivy League model with no scholarships, etc…get all the teams in the PAC to play one another. Cheap and awesome.”
    …
    “Thanks to technology, anyone can create a league, and the best ones will rise. The best ones are in the process of replacing traditional sports. OSU could create a pure product where guys who love playing football play football, and fans would be all over that, I think. I don’t believe any bearish arguments, and view that mindset as simply not progressive enough with their thinking. Someone on campus should do this now because it, not the PAC16, is the future. Traditional leagues just like traditional newspapers, tv shows, et al will be dinosaurs. Bad product that they’ve made worse as they lose viewership. That is bearish for them and extremely bullish for alternatives.”

    There will be a strong reaction to follow and “get bigger,” and an alternative needs to be put out there.

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    Claunch transfers to Texas A&M. Not a good look for a former catcher to not maintain the 4 year senior? Guess Claunch feels like he’s going to learn more and progress better at A&M than staying at OSU with Mitch and Rich. Could be a rough ride for awhile.

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        Doesn’t seem like we’re replacing anyone via xfer portal either but maybe I’ve just not seen any of the announcements. Missing the boat there potentially as well to replace some bodies. All the late round guys sign, Washburn and claunch xfer.

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      Yup, a starting catcher transfers from an upper-tier program for just one season? WTF? It would be really interesting to hear why Claunch felt the need to do this.

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        Sniffed this one out from the moment Claunch entered the portal.. As said, Nate was close to more than just pitchers.

        Still, seems Casey could have gotten Nate instead of Mitch……if he thought that was a better choice.

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      Isnt this just a Yeskie recruit getting poached by Yeskie?
      Hard to believe there wasnt tampering involved and this plan wasnt in motion before Claunch entered the portal.
      I dont really see much of a problem with it. He wasnt recruited by Canham and now he’s back with someone he’s more familiar/comfortable with. Plus Claunch will get more exposure playing in the SEC conference. Canham has to get a team of all his recruits sooner or later, and this helps speed up the process.

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        Ya I think some of the people are reading into things way too much and trying to link it to their narrative. Claunch is not a big loss IMO. He never seemed to come through in clutch situations.

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          IDK, losing a senior catcher when all we have are freshman and sophomore pitchers for the most part is a pretty big loss imo. Back up catcher could be good but rarely played so who knows. Untested catcher and really young pitching group…what could go wrong? Did Washburn know Claunch was leaving and that also made his decision easier to xfer? So far this off season all we’ve seen is people leave and haven’t been picking players up whereas a lot of the other contending schools are hitting the xfer portal. Feels like we’re asleep at the wheel but who knows.

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          The article also says he wants to improve his draft stock so it’s a likely mixture of several things. Still not sure it’s a good look regardless. Very convenient that A &M has the program and not because Yeskie is there.

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        More exposure playing in the SEC? Do you think pro scouts are unaware of Oregon State University, the national champions of just 3 years ago?
        Poor Adley Ruschman, if only he’d gotten more exposure in the SEC he might have been a higher draft pick.

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      Learn more and progress better, in a remaining year? I was never impressed with his defense so I suppose its possible. Maybe mc was too hard on the guy?? Anyway good for him he can tickle grumpy natez nads and everyone’s happy.

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    WBB coaches sign one year contracts:

    Huth, who resigned as Northern Colorado’s head coach in April, signed a one-year contract for $175,008. Hunter, previously a graduate assistant at San Diego, will earn $90,000 for the upcoming year. Hunter formerly played for Oregon State from 2012-16.“

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    So if the Pac-12, B1G and Big 12 remaining teams all unite and add BYU and Notre Dame or Houston, it sets up a 36 team Super League with 6 divisions of 6. Another reasonable option. All these groups of 6 mostly already exist as is and only require a small change or two. Set up a Grant of Rights for 20 years and have our own 6 or 8 team Playoff Championship that culminates in the Rose Bowl, the Granddaddy of them all.

    Don’t really care what SEC does honestly. Not sure they are worth playing or dealing with. They would end up playing with ACC in a 32 team league maybe. .

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      Would love to see this. Karma is a batch. We would have the National College League with our commish as head of the West and Big Ten’s Warren as head of the East (18 teams in 3 divisions each). SEC would just have a regional league. Out flanked.

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    Word out in Big Ten country this morning is the conference isn’t looking at doing anything drastic yet, but there’s serious discussion of a scheduling agreement with the PAC-12. This would probably look similar to the arrangements in basketball where conference teams have a slot for each other every year (which seems a little irrelevant when we seem to play a Big Ten team every other year, anyway).

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        ISU makes perfect sense with Iowa already in the conference and relative success in both major sports.

        Kansas will further dilute football competitiveness at the expense of bringing in a high profile basketball program.

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        Iowa State does not add enough media. It’s about the B1G network and they already have Iowa. Geographic sense, yes, but that does not matter anymore…..see Maryland and Rutgers. This sucks!!

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          You still need to add competitive programs for prestige and eyeballs, though. They could add Portland State to get into the PNW media market, but they’re not going to.

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    Let’s work on a group depth chart. You guys aggregate who you think the starters should be. I’ll compare it to my notes and make a post at the start of camp.

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        Gotta swap out Beason for Dunmore. Dunmore has no experience, Beason has a solid year under his belt and seems to be the camp standout.

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          Agree Beason should be a starter as of today. Dunmore has huge pedigree and could replace him or Bradford in camp – something to watch.

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        • Agree, I think Beason will be the best of all of them. Dunmore, Tongue, and maybe Lindsay all have the skills to make a push, but I think it would come at the expense of Bradford or maybe Harrison.

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            Harrison, Dunmore, Beason is probably the most lethal combo. Bradford as a 4th and/or possession WR would be great. I’m not sure if there’s enough time or desire for this to happen.

            Lindsay should be moved to punt/kick returns full time. Should thrive there. Emergency WR if the guys above get hurt.

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          Youre right, i had intended to swap those 2 before posting.
          Also, I didnt list the OL left to right, but those are my 5 starters right now

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      QB: Huge question mark. I’ll go with Noyer. Wasn’t super impressed with Gebbia last year and sounds like Nolan hasn’t done much with his chances (ba dum tsh). I think Vidlak is the future and Noyer is the bridge.
      RB: Baylor/Fenwick roughly 50/50. Maybe Martinez as a wild card / dark horse?
      WR: Beason/Bradford/Harrison
      TE: Musgrave (if his hands improve- otherwise try out some of the young guys)
      C: Eldridge
      OT: Kipper, Gray
      OG: Keobounnam, Levengood

      DT: Schad (Sio)
      DE: Hodgins, Sandberg (Shippen, Reichner)
      ILB: Roberts, Speights
      OLB: Gumbs, Hughes-Murray (McCartan)
      S: Grant*, Oladapo (Grant is the normal nickelback but will play S in base packages)
      CB: Wright, Jones

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      QB: I think it’s Gebbia’s job to lose if he’s healthy. Noyer as back up 1
      RB: Baylor/Fenwick to share to start season
      WR: Beason, Harrison and Bradford. Think Bradford will be the easy replacement if Dunmore, Lindsay or tongue make a splash.
      TE: Q unless his injury prevents him from playing to start the season.

      Defense is tough, especially the secondary. Think the LBs will be set with Robert’s, speight, gumbs (if healthy) and AHM. D line you’d have the new xfer, hodgins and Sandberg.
      CB: Wright and the Kansas xfer.
      Safety: grant. Arnold. (Austin for back up in either cb or safety.)

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    Looks like some downvoters are rolling through, tough crowd! Seriously though I’m curious to hear what your objections are and how you think these depth charts are wrong…

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      It’s not even worth trying to figure the down voting out. Simple post regarding depth chart a down vote. Lol. Yuck fans most likely.

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    “…the Seahawks hosted quarterback Sean Mannion for a workout on Monday, July 26. Mannion would mark the fifth quarterback on the Seahawks roster adding to Alex McGough, Danny Etling, Smith and Wilson.

    The former Oregon State quarterback was drafted by the Rams in the third round of the 2015 NFL Draft. After playing four seasons for the Rams, Mannion signed with the Vikings in each of the last two seasons. Mannion has spent his career as a backup playing in 13 games including two starts notching 384 yards, three interceptions and zero touchdowns while completing 60.8% of his passes.

    Mannion had a standout career at Oregon State with his best statistical season coming during his junior year throwing for 4,662 yards, 37 touchdowns and 15 interceptions while completing 66.3% of his passes in 2013. It remains to be seen whether the Seahawks will sign Mannion as he would face an uphill battle to make the final roster.”

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      Jets are going to work Mannion as well. Still need an experienced back up plus they haven’t signed their draft pick yet.

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    QB I would say before fall camp it’s a toss up between Noyer and Gebbia.
    RB Fenwick/Baylor it will be interesting to see how many backs get touches.
    TE quitoriano then Musgrave then oberman
    LT Gray
    LG Levengood
    C Eldridge
    RG keobounamm
    RT kipper
    I like Sorenson, Bloom, Fuaga, and Brewer as backups
    WR Harrison, Beason. Bradford. I like Dunmore and Tongue to break into the starting lineup after more familiarity. I think tongue would have the biggest advantage just because of his size. It seems like Harrison, Beason and Dunmore are all similar size and skill set while Tongue has about 20lbs on them.
    DE Sandberg,Hodgins with Reichner, Rawls, and Shippen next possibly see Faamoe and Lolohea could develop quickly I think.
    DT Schad then Skelton Sio is a wild card and depends on how he adjusts but could at least play short yardage situations.
    ILB Robert’s and speights
    OLB AHM/Gumbs then Riley Mccartan
    CB Wright and Jones I think but Austin will see the field a lot.
    Safety Grant then toss up between Oladapo, Julian, Arnold to play the other or come in when Grant plays nickel

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      The end is nigh, man.
      Year or two until everyone sees the product, digest their disgust, and figure out what to watch instead.

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      I’m still thinking this could really impact team chemistry and backfire at times. This will be a huge distraction for young people, some with insufficient decision making skills and financial literacy, and/or the familial support to deal with all the opportunists that will follow the money. This could engender resentment from teammates.

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        They’ll fix that by letting them get agents. You know, so some body can keep track of the money while the athlete can focus on “school”.

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        Agree. And other students on campus…they won’t want to go to games and cheer for rich peers who are a distraction on their campus.

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    QB- Noyer
    RB- Fenwick
    WR- Harrison, Beason, Bradford
    TE- Quintoriano
    OL- Kipper, Gray, Eldridge, Nous, Fuaga

    DE- Hodgins, Reichner
    DT- Sio
    OLB- Gumbs, MacCartan
    ILB- Speights, Roberts
    S- Grant, Oladipo
    CB- Wright, Jones

    I think Sio and Jones will be the surprises of camp and change the defense from slightly average to good/great

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    What’s the argument for Noyer? Not understanding it. Gebbia is younger than Noyer and had a better season last year. Gebbia was lights out for half the game almost every game last year, and finally being an upperclassman, the odds of everything clicking and putting together full games is very high. Unless Gebbia is hurt, it doesn’t make sense.

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      I agree. I said I think it’s Gebbia’s job to lose and he really started playing pretty good before his injury. LB core is strong but think there’s question marks on who steps up on the d line and secondary.

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      I feel good about either one. Gebbia only averaged something pretty awful like 8 yds a completion and didn’t complete any deep balls at all hardly. He also had a lot of balls batted down. Noyer is a better runner. I think the offense can be more explosive with Noyer and his deep ball but I’ll trust the coaches on this one since I won’t be able to watch. I like Gebbia’s understanding of the offense and ability to check out of the play and get them in a better one. I think people overlook that and Jefferson said that’s what Gebbia did on 1 of his big runs.

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      Much has been made of Noyer’s experience under Lindgren but isn’t that negated by the more recent experience under Lindgren’s system (really Smith’s) had by both Gebbia and Nolan?
      Likewise Noyers ability to scramble, isn’t Nolan similar in that respect?
      They all are possibilities but Gebbia is most like Smith, certainly from a mental standpoint. I won’t be surprised to see him chosen, after all, he DID beat out Nolan last time.

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      I’m taking a flier on Noyer as the best in the room out of the gate and Gebbia has to catch him. Maybe Noyer has a bigger arm to open up the field with the new wr’s, and Gebbia has the yips half the time on passes he should make. Not knocking him for the civil war game at all, and he had his moments ; but if he was the guy, Beavs should have won the games he started last year…I agree with the previous comment that Noyer is the bridge to Vidlak and Vidlak may be the future next year and for 4 more as the guy with the moxie and it factor. You asked for rosters. I’ll take Noyer, I’ve seen 8yd checkdown Gebbia and 55yd gunner Nolan.

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        Okay, but Gebbia looked ready to break out. Had that Matt Moore thing where he’d play well half the game. Moore clicked 2nd Q vs WSU and never looked back. With Gebbia now an upperclassman I expect something like that. Not convinced he can’t throw a deep ball. He did in HS. Seems more the game hasn’t fully slowed down for him yet where he’s confident to do it. Noyer seems fine. Don’t think he’s as good a QB if both are playing their best, though. His TD to INT ratio was pretty atrocious last year, too. Not sure if it’s a fluke or what, but that’s almost always a bad sign.

        High on Vidlak. High on Gulbranson, too.

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          Part of Noyer’s TD-INT ratio was Colorado had Broussard and leaned really heavily on the run game, so he likely had fewer RZ attempts.

          I think that also diminishes his success a bit, because he had fewer attempts all season and benefited a lot from the run game taking the pressure off him.

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            It’s not good. Never said his ratio was good. Noyer’s was worse, though, and Gebbia played lights out in one half every game I can remember. Usually with another year a QB will put it all together and play great for a full game. If he can’t, then at that point the experiment would need to end, and he shouldn’t start.

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        Gebbia is also coming off of a pretty serious hamstring injury (FTD) which is why I consider it a toss up. A fully healthy Gebbia starts, but if he has any lingering issues or re-injury, seems to me he’s unlikely to be the same with that leg for most of the season.

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          Yeah if he’s not healthy he shouldn’t start. Maybe Noyer was brought in for that and will only start if Gebbia isn’t 100%. That would make sense.

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        For what its worth the reports were that Gulbranson was performing the best of all the QBs so I would say it’s a little premature to say Vidlak is the future.

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          I like Gulbranson and agree that he’s a factor and Vidlak will have to fight him off. But at this point, my money’s on Vidlak. Both players got rave reviews in the spring, and Gulbranson has the bigger arm.

          But Vidlak was super impressive in the spring game. Just smooth and polished, and very cool under pressure. A demeanor I haven’t seen in an OSU QB in a long time. Something like our top 7 WRs were out with COVID or COVID precautions, so guys weren’t getting open very well. On most plays he was facing pressure pretty quickly, but he’d scramble around and keep his eyes downfield until he found a window (or throw it away). Smart, efficient play where he was having to do most of the work himself.

          I know it’s easy to put too much stock in a game that doesn’t count, and I know that a lot of young players look good in spring games and never pan out…but still. Super impressive. He was certainly quarterbacking circles around Nolan that day.

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            True, Gebbia’s arm seemed a little weak but did we really have that deep threat last year? Champ Flemmings I guess? Seems like we have a lot more speed and size now with Harrison, Dunmore, etc so we’ll see how the deep ball looks. I do think that gebbia is #1 but that also is contingent on him being healthy. I liked some of the things Nolan did last year but he needs to get some contacts or something. Noyer is likely #2 right now but will be interesting to see how that position turns out after camp. I’d also like to see Isaiah Newell get some touches. Thought his film looked pretty damn good in HS. Could be some good competition in that room with the young bodies.

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            As soon as chance took over they started taking shots deep. Not saying he was accurate but that told you they didn’t believe in Gebbia being able to make those throws.

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          • I don’t think Gebbia or Nolan have the goods. Gulbranson, Noyer and Vidlak all have better arms.

            Nice to have experienced backups though.

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            I don’t think Gebbia or Nolan have the goods. Gulbranson, Noyer and Vidlak all have better arms.

            I remember these arguments about Chad Pennington. Gebbia throws a lot like him, actually.

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            Pennington threw a great deep ball with the Jets. Not sure about college. I’m not sure what you consider a “deep ball”, but the first two throws of this video are 35-40 yards with little effort. He should have even more arm strength now. Wouldn’t assume he can’t do it just because he didn’t. Our WRs have been pretty atrocious since Hodgins left and couldn’t get separation on even short routes. Could be more that.

            https://www.hudl.com/profile/4367965/Tristan-Gebbia

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            He missed open recovers and laid guys out to get murdered more than a few times last year. I was not impressed with him. His best game was definitely the civil war where I would say he was good but not special.

            Arm strength wasn’t really on my list of biggest issues it was accuracy.

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          • Arm strength wasn’t really on my list of biggest issues it was accuracy.

            Weird. You list arm strength above.

            His accurate is 62.5% in college and was 66.5% in HS. Again, I don’t think these are his issues. His biggest issue is the game hasn’t slowed down enough for him where he can put together a full 4Qs.

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          • Gebbia’s comp. % last year was 62%. Noyer’s was 55%.

            Statistically, the only thing Noyer has on Gebbia is 5 rushing TD’s. So I guess he’s good at the QB sneak.

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            Ya but completion percentage doesn’t necessarily indicate accuracy. Gebbia only was drinking and dunking and not taking shots downfield which have a lower completion percentage. I remember Gebbia completely missing receivers in critical situations or getting his balls batted down.

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          • There was two things. The goods was the first and more important. Gebbia doesn’t have it, maybe the other guys do. If they don’t then we still have Gebbia.

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          • I agree with Nuc…I suspect the accuracy % was boosted by dink & dunk short stuff, because in watching the games my strong impression was that accuracy was a big problem. Lots of misses on open receivers (or bad throws even if they came down with it) and some on pretty easy throws. Maybe it’s nerves because I also feel like he was at his worst on 3rd down.

            For me, accuracy was the only real knock I had on him. Arm strength seemed fine (if not special).

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          • Yeah, but who is his competition? That’s the important question.

            If Noyer is the top option, why do you think he’s more accurate when his completion percentage, YPC, and TD-INT ratio were all worse than Gebbia’s?

            Plus, Gebbia is further back on the learning curve, so there’s a higher probability he will improve.

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            Okay, so the argument is Noyer was being asked to make harder throws? His YPC was still lower, so that invalidates the “dink and dunk” argument.

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          • Pennington’s completion percentage in his first year starting was only 58%. Gebbia can grow into his potential (assuming he comes back healthy).

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    Shaw on NIL for Alabama’s Bryce Young:

    “ Stanford football coach David Shaw said Tuesday of Alabama quarterback Bryce Young’s reported seven-figure name, image and likeness deals that it wasn’t fair market value.

    A player like Young who hasn’t started a game making that much money, he said, “is not what this whole thing is supposed to be about.”

    “I don’t believe that is true market value,” Shaw said at Pac-12 media days. “I think that’s Alabama value.”

    Shaw, a four-time Pac-12 Coach of the Year, insinuated that Saban’s message to the coaches was no accident.

    “Nick Saban is smarter than any 10 of us in this room combined,” he said. “So there’s no way that [was] just a throw-in. Obviously that’s a plant to make sure people knew, and it’s a great way to recruit.”

    It’s not going to be equal, and everything that we’ve done in college athletics in the past has always been equal,” he said. “Everybody’s had equal scholarship, equal opportunity. Now, that’s probably not going to be the case. Some positions, some players will have more opportunities than others. And how that’s going to impact your team, our team, the players on the team, I really can’t answer because we don’t have any precedent for it.”

    Things have not @always been equal,” that’s absurd. Shaw sounds ignorant in those remarks.

    …

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    Had 2 different people measage me this morning that Melvin Jordan has removed the Beavs info from his profile, so a decommit seems likely.
    Not surprising considering he’a a Florida guy and he has already bounced twice.

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        No ratings. He’s another under the radar guy. Not sure if he has any offers either. I watched part of his film but it was mostly offense. He looks like he would have good speed for a ILB or could maybe even play safety.

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            NB’s previous comp was Ryan Nall (as a recruit, not a RB). He has good size and recently posted something about running a 4.45. Kind of positionless, but he has the athletic potential to develop somewhere.

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        • Had 1 offer to Wright state or something like that. He only attended 1 camp so that def limited his exposure and I think he just recently got social media accounts. Led team in tackles, receiving yards, and return yards. Very athletic but pretty new to the LB position so definitely will need quite a bit of coaching and time to develop.

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    Okay, so the argument is Noyer was being asked to make harder throws? His YPC was still lower, so that invalidates the “dink and dunk” argument.

    Yeah. Just looked at that and Noyer’s yards per completion basically the same as Gebbias. Not sure what an avg for NCAAF is in that category. Interestingly, Noyer completed 7% fewer passes on those “dinks and dunks”…

    Hard to say what’s going on. With Gebbia, I see a guy on the cusp of putting it all together. Never watched Noyer. Gebbia should be the clear leader after looking at the stats a bit more and considering he has years in the system, hit upperclassman status, etc. He should get three games. If he can’t perform, then switch to Noyer.

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    • It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I definitely like that they have Noyer as an option and for depth. I don’t agree with automatically saying Gebbia should start though. Let them compete and if he is getting better and more comfortable he will win the job. Also to be fair the Oline didn’t start the season off good but got better as the season went on. So Gebbia was playing when the Oline was still gelling. I think they allowed like 4 sacks in the WSU game and was getting hurried and knocked down regularly. I’m definitely fine with Gebbia picking up where he left off but think he has to prove that he’s still the best option. I would like to see him take some more shots downfield with the new talent at receiver if he does start.

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        Gebbia shouldn’t start if Noyer outplays him in camp. Should have clarified that. I’m assuming both improve and stay equal in relation to one another. If one has more growth and surpasses the other, that guy should start. Gebbia has the higher odds of doing that from what I’ve seen, but I do see some of the issues with him. My gut says time helps him more.

        I’ve only watched a handful of clips from Noyer. Seems spunky and more an emotional QB. That can rub off on a team, so it’s something to consider as well.

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    So looking at this team I feel like we have a lot of reasons to think this team will be better and make a bowl game. The defense will be the deciding factor for how far this team can go. With that in mind what reasons do we have to think the defense should be improved?
    1. The addition of Schad but is he better than Bennet? That seems like a wash.
    2. Another year of experience in the system and weight training. I don’t think there is enough to have a big impact as far as that goes.
    3. Addition of jones is he better than Dunn and is Wright as good or better than his brother?
    4. Gumbs possibly being healthy. Seems like he could be a game changer.
    5. Sio possibly giving them that large space eater in the middle of the line.

    Aside from that I don’t see any reason to think there will be great improvement. Unless the familiarity with the scheme really makes a big difference I don’t see any new talent or anything to make me expect something different.

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      I think we’re going to have some surprises on the DL in performance and size after another 6 months.

      Just based on spring I’m very excited to see what Lolohea does.

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        Ya i feel the same about Faamoe. I think they could be like Hodgins and start as freshman if it was 3 years ago. I’m hoping Shippen will have progresses and live up to the hype. Reels was gett3some praise from Tibs in camp too.

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    • #2 May be a wash; most teams can say that, unless they have a new coaching staff.

      I suspect if the D can cut down big plays by 50%, and the D and ST can generate an average of 1.5 TOS per game or better, there’s the improvements Beavs need to go bowling.

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      • Ya I guess I meant since they’re mostly upperclassmen now. I agree they’ve struggled getting turnovers the last few years but also getting off the field in 3rd and 4th downs. The offense needs to continue their trend of protecting the ball as well. The lack of turnovers allows them to stay in all their games.

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          My hope is that now that some of the smith recruits are upper classmen we get a defensive swing like Washington did Peterson’s 3rd and 4th year. Talented guys with loads of experience tend to make plays.

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    Random thought… confused with Simone Biles quitting. Mental health is the excuse but isn’t that called a lack of mental toughness. Seems she was melting under the pressure and underperforming. Wasn’t mentally tough enough to deal with her own failure so she quit letting her team and country down along the way. I wonder if she’s become a bit coddled and spoiled. I’m guessing we’re going to hear how she was mistreated by USA gymnastics. Who knows but for whatever reason my gut tells me we shouldn’t feel too sorry for her. Probably unfair since there could be a valid reason for her meltdown that would totally change my opinion. On another note, looking forward to following Carey’s beav… er, I’m mean following Carey as a beav.

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      That’s just weird to me. She’s the best in the world and the face of gymnastics. Sounds like a shitty job to me with long hours and huge pressure. It’s just a game, why should she not take care of herself over it? I think most people could take that stance more often with mental health.

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      I believe she has ADHD and wasn’t allowed to take Ritalin in Japan (it’s outlawed).

      Nobody feels worse about this whole situation than her.

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    Fair enough. Just seems that she made a commitment to compete. Accepted a spot on the team. And then quit as soon as she faced some adversity. I’ve got a pretty stressful job. I’m good at what I do with high expectations. I’ve had bad days, bad weeks, and bad months on occasion. Sometimes my mental health has suffered when I failed to perform but my family depends on me to suck it up and put food on the table. Maybe it’s different with Simone because it’s “just a game” but it’s also the profession she’s chosen and she’s representing her country so I’d prefer to see her persevere… and I bet she may someday regret her decision.

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    Attitude on the program about being generally OK with losses has to change or Oregon State could face repercussions in the college football landscape. Doing everything possible to win is needed amd players need to be tsituationally trained more and perform to expectations. Talking about dumb shot like running kickoffs out of the endzone that us a problem year after year. Beavs start inside their own 20 way too often. If you don’t have discipline on something as simple and straightforward as that how are you going to have it in much more complex situations with more going on around you.

    Barnes, Smith and the whole program have to talk tougher, expect more and play like a cohesive unit that has ecahother’s backs like MBB did in the postseason. We need the fotball culture to take a leap foward.

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      Since becoming a Beav commit, the only other coaches he had been following were a bunch a Princeton coaches. So that could be why he decommitted.
      Although in the last 24 hours he has followed an assistant coach from each of Hawaii, WSU and Arizona(Kevin Cummings actually)

      So who knows. If we lost him to Princeton, cant really be too upset. It must have been about the education more than anything. If we lose him to Hawaii/Arizona/WSU, then we failed somehow.

      Good news is WR isnt a position we have had any trouble with recruiting lately, so we can and will find a comporable alternative pretty easily.

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      National Review is pretty much trash now when it used to be sort of reasonable. e.g the headline suggests ‘lockdowns’ can happen at the federal level.

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        Indeed. However, Yahoo News and The Atlantic are also reporting this.

        There seems to be a consensus among both factions that lockdowns are looming. Too much momentum.

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    I watched the big ten media day with Brohm which is far better than the Pac 12 btw. I didn’t realize Purdue has 3 Co DCs. It will be interesting to see how that works for them and how comfortable they are in their first game. He says he wants 3 sets of eyes and different input on the D. I kind of think thats what most DCs do with their position coaches but have the ultimate say. Wonder what happens when they disagree? Probably won’t happen unless the losses start piling up mid season.

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    • Also 1 of their QBs is Jake Plummer’s kid. Seems like its a 2 QB battle between him and Occonel who is super slow. Their receiver Bell is the real deal and catches everything thrown his way and can come down with it in coverage.

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    • “I didn’t realize Purdue has 3 Co DCs”
      Not only do the boilermakers have 3 Co DCs, but none of them was on staff last year!
      They may be able to make the “3 Co DC” thing work but I like the idea of facing them right out of the gate.

      Also, they have 2 Co OCs and, talk about nepotism, the HC appears to have two sons on staff (anyway they share the same last name).

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      • Ya that’s how I felt about WSU last year and they waxed our ass. We tend to start slow on the season and in the first half so hopefully that’s not the case this year with so much experience returning. I think the OL started horrible but started clicking as the season went on so I’m counting on the continuity keeps them from those growing pains.

        The one thing is they won’t have any film on their defense in their scheme aside from previous places the coaches were at. 3 different coaches is a lot of film to have to digest tho.

        They’re saying that Brohm might not announce the starter til right before the game. I kind of like that from a strategic standpoint and wouldn’t mind Smith doing that. For my personal reasons as a fan I would want to know however.

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        • I’m just hoping the offense can blast them with the OL from the start and make things easy on the QB. If our line can’t get a push on Purdue we are in for it.

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          • I don’t see why they wouldn’t. They’re no way better than oregons front 7. They are pretty big though so I’m not sure why you say that. Purdue is not slouch much like us won and lost some close games. They have a very good DE Kalafatis so if they can keep him away from the QB and take care of the ball the offense should be fine.

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          • I’m.nust very confident that the Purdue line talent isnt as good as a bunch of the PAC 12 teams we will play. If we can’t run on them we are in trouble in league play.

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            Beavs should be able to move the ball pretty easily on Purdue. If Purdue’s defense is anything like last year, you never realized converting on 3rd and 19 was so easy.

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    From a Purdue writer after media day:
    …once again Jeff Brohm indicated that he doesn’t know who the starting QB will be and he’s prepared to play multiple QBs if necessary…All three have strengths and weaknesses but it worries me that Brohm just can’t make a decision. .. the lack of development and consistency at the QB position is really holding this program back. Each of these QBs plays a slightly different game and that changes what the offense is capable of and truly prevents them from staying as sharp and crisp as could be possible.

    Is this a fair analysis?
    More importantly, how does this compare with the Beavs situation?

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  67. So who plays on the Olympic baseball team? Are they drawing college kids or from the minors or something else? Just saw a short clip on TV and forgot they played baseball.

    OOB, you go looking for berries yet?

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    Lawrence impressing in Jags camp, Minshew getting first team reps out of respect for his play last two years…no mention of Luton:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/bell/2021/07/30/trevor-lawrence-jacksonville-jaguars-qb-impressive-camp/5426955001/

    No disrepect to Luton. Coming back from his spinal injury and making an NFL roster is pretty amazing. I hope he lands on a team wit a rock solid OL that can give him 4+ seconds per snap and give him the best chance for success.

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    I’m curious who people think could be in for a breakout season. I feel like players like Hodgins, Roberts, Grant, might’ve maxed their potential out or don’t have much room for growth. I’m looking at the DL like Nuke said. There are lost of player there that could improve big. Pretty much everyone aside frim Hodgins has quite a lit of room for growth IMO.

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    • I’m really watching some of the smith recruits who have had a year of P5 conditioning. Shippen, Lolohea and Fa’amoe are top of that list.

      I’m also excited to see what happens with some of the guys who initially dropped weight in Smiths program and have been coming back up like Hodgins, Rawls, Reichner, Briski and Anderson. If Rawls and Hodgins are playing over 280 I think we see a new level of production from them both. They have never lacked motors or heart just got pushed around too much.

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      Why do you think they’ve reached their max? Didn’t grant start playing football late in high school? He’s still learning the game/position. All the experience these guys have due to the team sucking when they arrived has left them with tons of experience. I think you’ll still see that help them grow this year.

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      • The risk of so much of that experience is the team could lack confidence in pressure situations, not know how to play with a lead and keep the pressure on the opponent, and accepting losing. I’m curious who will be the leaders on the field to keep that from happening?

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          Huh??? If that were the case they would have folded against Utah and Washington last year. They never gave up. They are not out of any game with the offense smith runs. Defense does need to start games off better. They also have brought in winners. Guys from good high schools and transfers that expect to win.

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    • Hodgins hasn’t done anything yet, he had a huge chance for improvement, he was slow and not very strong last year… could have improved on both this off-season.

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      • Actually I thought he improved off the snap and in his tackling last year. He was just playing around 260 last year and it was statistically his highest impact year.

        He was playing around 275 his freshmen year but I think he had a large amount of bad weight.

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        • I don’t think he was 260 last year. I think the year before he tried to go light and didn’t seem to pay off. I think hes limited physically and reached his ceiling. Roberts doesn’t have much to improve and Grant doesn’t have a lot either. Yes he hasn’t played long but there isn’t a lot of weakness in his game. Usually guys improve physically and scheme famliraty but he has been pretty solid in both. I think he improves but there is only so much room. The worst thing ive seen from him is getting juked in one on one tackling.

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          • 2018 fall – 265
            2019 fall – 271
            2020 fall – 265
            2021 spring – 274

            I still think if we see him over 280 he will be more effective.

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  70. Yeah. Denver post (what’s left of it) suggests CU move to what remains of big 10 to stay viable, acknowledges greed of “Mickey Mouse” (Disney, ESPN). Also suggests PAC/Big 10 “super league” may be necessary.

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    What is everyone’s issue with a Rose Bowl League? I think it would be a cool way of honoring the tradition between the conferences, while helping both sets of teams remain nationally relevant.

    You could play an unbalanced schedule to ensure more regional matchups than cross-country matchups and the championship game could still be “PAC-12” vs “Big 10” to maintain that tradition in the face of the Playoff takeover.

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  73. I’m not quite sure how committed Melvin Jordan is with all of the Georgia state stuff that he’s been posting recently but i still have a good feeling he will stay committed.

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    Is fall camp open to the public again? I miss the camp reports from silverstream. Is there anyone else on this blog/local to Corvallis that can get eyes on the team during camp sessions and keep us posted?

    My early and usually too optimistic prediction is 10-2 win the north. I see 4 games the Beavers may have trouble: USC, Utah, ASU and Oregon, 3 of which are on the road. I think they can win 2 out of 4 and all other games should be winnable and I think this is the year they get over the hump for winning mentality as a program.
    My hope is they catch USC before they get rolling and are 6-0 going into the Utah game, Utah may be a juggernaut but I’ll hope for the best, ASU may be in turmoil due to the recruiting stuff but they are an offensive machine, Oregon will be good and Beavs will still give them a game, I see at least 2 wins out of these 4 games.

    @Purdue- win
    Hawaii- win
    Idaho- win
    @USC- win
    UW- win
    @WSU- win
    Utah- loss
    @Cal- win
    @CU- win
    Stanford- win
    @ASU- loss
    @Oregon- win

    Up to this point, I think the wins are possible and Beavs can compete with any team in the conference. The following may be pie in the sky though:

    JS goes undefeated in the north, wins the north title, coach of the year and takes Beavs to Rose Bowl after a rematch with USC in the conference championship game. All USC stars sit out due to draft status and concerns over injuries and Beavs roll into the Rose Bowl!

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      10-2?….if you are going all in, you might as well predict 12-0 and a playoff berth. 7-5 is my best guess and that is being very optimistic.

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    • Gutsy call to have the Beavs over both USC and UW. That said, a W over SC does make success vs UW more likely.

      FWIW: Our buddy Hank at GoMightyCard opines on the Stanford-OSU game:
      this game is concerning. It seems like a game the Cardinal should win, but Corvallis has never been a comfortable place for Stanford to play even during the best of times. This is a toss up.

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        I stand by my predictions…based on a shockingly great d-line due to Sio and Schad as newcomers. I suspect Sio may be so good that it explains why 2 d-linemen transferred out this winter, and why there seems to be no traction or urgency about finding another d-line signee. Schad coming in gives some plan B support the same as Noyer does for Gebbia.

        Overall grade: A- should win the conference
        A+ =O-line will be good-to-great
        A+ =D-line will be good-to-great
        B+ =WR can only improve with new additions and returnees
        B+ =TEs are now bigger and experienced upperclassmen
        A+ =LBs will be great
        A- =DE are long and explosive…good to great
        C+ =Secondary has the best coaching on the staff and will be solid to good by game 4 and better as the season goes /need to prove it
        B =RB by committee will be better than a banged up JJ, and match a healthy JJ in production
        B =QB- Gebbia or Noyer can be in top 5-6 qbs of the conference and that will be good enough for 10 wins (Better qbs in conference: USC, ASU, Utah, maybe UCLA, but OSU qb could be best of the second tier

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          You have the best case scenario in mind it seems. Like I posited above I don’t know why there would be much reason to expect drastic improvement on defense. It’s essentially the same players coming back which is good from an experience standpoint but also means that new game changers are coming in.

          Sho flipping to D is great for size, depth and potential but is still a huge question mark. I think Bennet transferred before he flipped but not sure but regardless I don’t think was a factor. I am hopeful he can at least be a situational player but no one knows how good or what he can contribute realistically at this point. He will be a big storyline in fall camp.

          At every position you have essentially the same players coming back on defense aside from the CBs and Rashed. As good as Rashed was his 1 year and 3 starting corners I think those are positions where there really isn’t a drop off in talent. So basically you’re counting on a huge amount of growth from the former starters to be able to make the jump. I think Schad will be a huge help and Sio could potentially be difference maker but it’s still a huge question mark at this point and you can’t count on either at this point. Schad wasn’t even a starter at Minnesota.

          I would grade positions like this.

          QB: B solid depth but no one dominant player.

          RB: B good depth but no proven #1 back

          TE: B+ two good proven guys but haven’t shown they can catch the ball consistently.

          WR: B+ a lot of potential and depth but nobody that’s a proven commodity aside from Bradford who has never been dominant.

          OL: A they showed they can muscle very talented front 7s and Gray and Levengoos should only be better. Solid backups this year and I think coach M is the best position coach on the team not Blue
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          DL C+ decent experience and depth but no one outstanding player. The young guys Lolehea and Faamoe could be really good in the future. Schad and Sip are question marks at thi point.

          LB: A could be one of the best corps in the nation and ever at OSU. Gumbs will be another huge storyline coming into the season hopefully he can live up to his potential and stay healthy.

          DB: B- aside from Grant no one is truly proven aside from Jones in A different league. I think Wright and Austin are solid but we need someone to step up at safety.

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            If Beavs are roughly at a B in all phases does that win the north? I think they have as good of a shot as anyone.

            Ducks trust in reputation and talent, but they are good for 1-2 losses each year with Cristobal
            Huskies may have some talent, but they lack a qb, Oline will be really good, but d may be overrated since Petersen, and last year is a small sample for Lake
            Cal is always a qb away but I don’t think they are going to be there this year either
            WSU and Rolovich are on rocky terms and the season hasn’t even started. I think he is out by Thanksgiving, no D on the Palouse
            Stanford has lost the magic and Shaw is not going to get back the mystique, no skill guys and underwhelming qb play, plus an empty cupboard by comparison to past years for the defense

            Each team has major questions and I think it is wide open for the Beavs to catch some breaks and have a real shot at the Rose Bowl. Key issues are qb play, d-line and turnovers. Each area has a lot of upside for improvement and if all are improved, Beavs win the north and maybe the conference…

            I admitted that my predictions for Beaver football are usually too optimistic. But I will stand by it until they frustrate me for another year…

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          • Yes, “Each team has major questions”
            For example…….“USC wide receiver Bru McCoy has been “temporarily removed from team activities” following an arrest last week…McCoy is entering his third year in the program as a redshirt sophomore and was projected to be one of USC’s primary outside wide receivers while final getting a full opportunity to deliver on the lofty expectations that came with his five-star status as a recruit out of Mater Dei HS. “

            https://usc.rivals.com/news/usc-wr-bru-mccoy-temporarily-removed-from-team-activities-after-arrest

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            I definitely think its possible this year. The north has really leveled out with the coaching changes and drop off of some teams. Lake is not Peterson, Cristobal can recruit but not coach, Rolovich isn’t Leach and Shaw has dropped off. Cal does have the most experienced QB in the league this year but even then the Beavs tend to have good succes against them.

            Assuming the offense can live up to their potential the defense will be thw deciding factor on how far this team will go. If they can start to generate some more turnovers and get some pressure I think this team could be really good. It really is the most talented and deep team theyve fielded in about 10 years or so.

            Another x Factor is Hayes. Have they finally found a reliable kicker that can consistently make it inside the 35? That could be the difference in a couple close ones right there. Also will our punter not have blown punts like lightbourne? Can kick and punt teams get better coverage?

            Overall I’m excited and optimistic about this team too. I just hope they don’t get out to a slow start like past years. If they beat Purdue out the gate I think that gives them a lot of confidence heading into the rest of the season then who knows what could happen.

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      6-6, though I’d consider that a disappointment.

      Team needs to win 8 to show real improvement. This is the year they need to break their losing streaks to Wazzu and Stanford, at the very least.

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        I don’t think a record is the indicator of a successful season. I’d say win the games you should win (teams you are better than, don’t lose from dumb mistakes). Outsmart some teams with good coaching and experience. Definitely need a bowl game.

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          I’d really like to see a non-conf sweep. It’s the most favorable non-conf we have had in years. I’d also love to see a strong home record in conference with 3 -1 against Stanford, ASU, UW, Utah.

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            Agreed.

            Wins against UW, Stanford, and Utah would be huge moral boosts for the program. Haven’t beat any of those teams in a decade.

            Win those and sweep the nonconference, and the Beavs are likely in the Holiday Bowl. That middle 4 game stretch may make or break the season.

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    • I wish I could say that fall is in the air here in Southern Oregon but our temps say otherwise. But our garden is going strong and we have some volunteer water melons doing well also. An added bonus.

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    Future Beav Jade Carey wins individual gold in floor routine. She’s definitely improved her NIL earnings potential this past week!

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      Was figuring her AA appearance would goose ticket sales. Now I wonder if she’ll even be around campus this year since they usually do those national tours. Who was the last Oregon Stater to win a gold medal? Jill Bakken in the Winter Olys 2002 bobsled. Last to win one individually was Fosbury in ’68.

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    Saban’s new deal:

    His base salary will remain $275,000. His talent fee for 2020-21 was $8.425 million and will continue to grow at a rate of $400,000 annually. It will reach $11.225 million in the final year of the extension. With his base salary and talent fee, he is set to make $11.5 million in 2028-29.

    Saban is set to become the first college coach to reach $10 million in annual recurring compensation during this contract in 2023-24. He will also receive an $800,000 completion benefit each year through 2025 upon finishing each season.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2021/08/02/nick-saban-contract-extension-alabama-football/5459039001/

    A “talent fee?” I hadn’t realized he had such a fee.

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    Anyone know if the legal language of NIL deals is contingent on the player playing for a specific team? Because let’s be real, if Joe Blow is getting $200k for making videos or signing autographs and the deal is scrubbed if he goes elsewhere – it wasn’t about the player’s N I or L – it was getting that N I L in the uniform of local U. Which makes me wonder how they regulate the payout. All up front? Annual payments as long as the dude is on-campus?

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  82. Veteran and ST player may keep Hidgins off the field in Buffalo:

    “ Kumerow has been making plays on offense and his skills as a receiver have certainly caught the eyes of his teammates, but it’s his special teams experience and prowess that will provide him with an edge against his competition in the wide receiver room. In 2020, Kumerow was on the field for 95 special teams snaps in the six games he was on Buffalo’s active gameday roster – a significant number. If Kumerow can prove that he’s capable of being one of the “core four” players that can play all four phases – kickoff, punt, kick return and punt return – the 29-year old will be an extremely tough out for general manager Brandon Beane come cutdown day.

    With Isaiah Hodgins going largely unnoticed through the team’s first week of training camp, the ball is in Kumerow’s court. If he can carry his strong play from practices into the preseason, he has a real shot of making the team and playing a significant role both on offense and special teams during the regular season.”

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    • It’s a stacked WR roster, and Hodgins might get cut. He’ll land somewhere else though, and I think that might be best for him.

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    • Hodgins lack of elite athleticism and small frame hurt his chances of making the roster just because he doesn’t really have ST value. Unless you want a sure handed punt catcher.

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