Awful start time, but go Beavs.
Feel free to use this thread for Utah/Oregon et al, too. It’s snowing here today (!!) so I’ll probably be watching more football than usual.
I’m going with a larger margin of 30-20, Beavs.
Awful start time, but go Beavs.
Feel free to use this thread for Utah/Oregon et al, too. It’s snowing here today (!!) so I’ll probably be watching more football than usual.
I’m going with a larger margin of 30-20, Beavs.
First bitches!
I can see this game going either way. Don’t let them get out to the early lead like @WSU and trying to play catch up the rest of the game.
Beavs 35-24
Great teams find a way to win this kinda game. Beavs need to start fast and punch them in the mouth. Let’s see Beavs solidify themselves as a great team.
36-21. Beavs
Arizona has 21 TDs and eight FGs in 31 trips to the red zone.
Oregon State has 21 TDs and four FGs in 25 trips–the only P5 team with a 100% rate.
New game plan. Make more trip to the redzone
First review goes in favor of Utah. Phil’s check bounced?
Seriously, nice to see correct call there.
Too much hand wringing over this one. If the defense shows up, Beavs win comfortably.
Utah needs to keep it close in the first half.
nike interior Dline lookin’ good, Whit/Ludwig are good coaches, need to adjust before it gets out of hand.
This is a massacre
Utah needs to steal signs better
Yucks looking like the better team dominating line of scrimmage early.
Down goes Oklahoma in Lawrence.
Oklahoma goes down
Sooners are a fraud, Kansas gets a nice win over Boomer Sooner. Opens the door for a 1 loss PAC12 to get into the playoffs as all Big12 I’ve a loss.
Utah getting dominated at the LOS. Trying to stay committed to the run game but that’s not going anywhere. Good to see Oklahoma lose. Will move us up if we win. It’s a shame Indiana couldn’t overcome Penn State.
Oklahoma will stay above us even if we win. Equal records and they have better SOS and win quality. Similar losses (low margin on the road).
OU barely beating UCF AT HOME should count against them more imho
Cal leads USC 21-17 in 2nd qtr
28-17 now
Grinch’s paycheck shrunk two sizes that day
Clemson lost again. DJ has to be smiling inside, he’s too much of a class act to say anything, but his Dad probably will!
Utah is not a good team.
Nike is legitimately good. Beatable, but good.
Utah has no explosive play ability on offense, so their defense has had to do way more work. I think we match up better against Nike than Utah does.
Not feeling as confident for the Civil War.
Welcome to the club.
Utah is a good team. They are decimated by injuries and still playing well all things considered. They didn’t play great today but it was more that they didn’t have enough to compete with a Yuck team that had enough talent to just run right at them with the basics and be dominant and control the game.
There was a lot of hype that Whittingham is such a brilliant coach that he can just plug and play. I think the injuries became too significant. USC is a deeply flawed team, I wasn’t overly impressed by the Utes win there. Beavs dominated the Utes, but it doesn’t get much media play. The media has to make Utah formidable to keep the Quack train going.
Looks like Utah is going to lose their elimination game. If they finish strong, maybe the Sun Bowl?
Utah has done a lot to get to this point but they are so short handed it was inevitable that they begin to falter. At least they broke USCs spirit before they fold.
Ducks look good and Klatt is doing all he can to hype them.
Even sweeter when the Beavs win the Civil
aware again.
No conspiracies but USC gets an extra play after halftime to makeup for a timer issue?? In other words, USC gets a free chance at 3 points when they are down 11.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen that, public address announcer urged both teams to remain on their sidelines until the timer was confirmed at the end of the half but upon receiving a Trojan alumni check, refs have changed their mind? PAC12 at its finest.
And the kicker missed. Lmaooo
If we had a statement win over a team that demolished the one team that beat us, would that fix our one loss a little in the long run?
“If if’s and but’s were candy and nuts, what a fine Christmas we’d all have”
Dandy Don, circa 1970
Interesting that Mendoza gets hit clear helmet to helmet but the concern is the bad spot not a flag for targeting by USC.
USC is a hot mess. Oh if you haven’t heard, Bo Nix has won the heisman trophy, at least according to the broadcasters of the Oregon Utah game. And Utah will win Big12 next year. Meanwhile the Beavs are 50/50 to win tonight according to college game day.
Go Beavs, win big!
Funny how Herbstreit praises how good OSU is every week yet has picked AGAINST them at least the last 2 games lol
Go Cal! Fun to see them beating the Trojans and not just lucky.
Maybe the Beavs win over Cal looks better today too.
Lolol
USC going down in flames at Cal
Not so fast! Cal is caling it!
Cal should have kicked for the tie. They had the momentum.
It’s very close, but I’d agree mainly because even converting there doesn’t guarantee the win. USC still had about a minute and 2 timeouts to get in to field goal range and win it anyway. Not worth the additional risk unless it gives you a walk off win.
SC wins lol
Why has Wilcox stayed at Cal for so long? They never get a break.
His record there is bad and no one else would hire him as a HC at the P5/4 level.
P12 refs are so incompetent they couldn’t figure out when the half ended. Are you kidding me?
As much as it pains me to say it…this conference kind of needed to die. So much incompetence for so long.
I’d say it has been designed incompetence to benefit select programs but the OSU/WSU never played along and the results were never what was desired by USC et al
It’s not just the refs, though. It’s also the incompetent commissioners, terrible P12 Network strategy and execution, all the stupid stuff with the bylaws coming out that shows how poorly structured and governed the whole organization was.
incompetent, crooked commissioners
47th!!
In the Colorado game, Sanders kid just leveled a UCLA receiver and the referee who was five feet away immediately threw a flag, meanwhile Sanders just kept flexing and preening while the flag literally lay at his feet. After all that flexing he was ejected for targeting lol. What a POS. Not surprised given who daddy is.
It’s football. Grow up
Tree hanging with the Dogs
Still hangin’, down 2 with just under 7 minutes to go in the game.
Just Win Beavs. Preferable with a time-killing drive late in the game that puts you up by more than 7 with less than two minutes left.
I don’t think the Beavers would move up with a win. They’ll drop Oklahoma just ahead of us but behind Texas, Bama, Oregon Penn State.
Nah, let’s just crush them
Beavs have very little to worry about if they win the rest of their games. They would add 2 wins vs top 10 in the regular season AND another one in the Pac-12 title game. The odds of doing all that are low, but no way they are kept out of the playoff if they accomplish it. SOS would exceed any other one loss team.
This game is way too late.
Agree, but I was in a tailgating lot in Minneapolis at 8 AM, so no whining…
And…Go Beavs!
Beavs getting buried under World Series and late kick. All pundits picking UA and ESPN hoping this is the game scenario that sinks the Beavs title hopes.
I think the Beavs still win
Beavs 31-17
Wow Stanford has a chance to win this game if they execute this drive. Huskies defense been on the field for a lot of plays.
Well that was short lived lol.
Time to find out if the Beavs are a legitimate contender or not tonight. GoBeavs
Stanford with the perfect 4th and 2 ply call needing only a fg and the guy drops it with no one within 10 yards of him. So frustrating to see these teams have UW on the ropes and they escape
Washington looks very beatable.
Fifutu?
DJ looks so more comfortable
DJ dealin’?
Velling looks like he’s wearing bicycle shirts
Shorts
TD shorts??
Ball security looks like it will be extra important. Arizona is really trying to strip the ball when bringing the RBs down.
On the plus side, their tackles are less effective when they din’t wrap up
Great start!!
Angry – YouTube stream on the TV working so far.
Didn’t I have Velling as. 5 star? Seemed under recruited.
Like it! That drive looked great and ate clock.
DJ looks more comfortable and confident every game. Now the defense needs to answer the call.
Is Fisch a gambler also?
He looks like a guy who goes to poker tournaments
Damn! They had him stopped and couldn’t finish the play
The back ups were coming in a little too hot.
Hate that we can’t stop them in a short yardage situation. Beavs playing pretty far off the line, but i guess they’re more worried about giving up a big play over the top
Sounds like we’re really thing at CB tonight. Noble Thomas was a late scratch.
Great read at the line by DJ there
Great first quarter!
MCarten got a facemask for a similar tackle
DJ needs to settle down. Took a sack then looked timid and missed next two throws.
Irish with the great effort special teams play
DJ misses to many throws and open receivers
Oladapo has gotten beat twice already on a deep ball. He has felt very underwhelming this season
Really? He’s the only guy on the team that can tackle.
Just a reminder that the P12 refs are still here
What in the hell is wrong with that tackle on the QB? Bullshit call.
Shitty call…and then a TD
High hit? So where exactly are you allowed to hit the QB?
Shoulder pads are too high?
What a bs call. Refs dictating the game again
Well crap
FU**ING PAC 12 REFS
Beavs gifted Arizona 10 pts.
Looks like all that extra tackling practice didn’t pan out.
Run it on first down until they stop it
Bret’s defense against UO. I shutter b
Lazy play by McCoy in his poor attempt at covering #4 on that TD.
That was gross. Zero effort.
Refs are one thing, but the lack of solid fundamental tackling is more concerning at this point.
We’re playing so much better and we’re losing. Need to answer or we might get in a hole
For as good as Bray seemed to do last year, this team looks like an absolute mess on defense. Blown assignments, horrendous tackling and not really been impressed with his in-game coaching either
It’s the secondary. Went from a strength to essentially playing 3 freshman. I’ve also not been too impressed with KO this year. Seems like his pass coverage has been shaky at best. It’s too bad we didn’t have this front 7 with last year’s secondary. That would’ve been a legit defense for sure.
Inexperienced secondary which also has multiple injuries.
Plus ILB is extremely thing
Damn, I guess being out 3 or 4 of our top secondary guys is too much. This would’ve been a tough match even with the starters but our freshman dudes are getting cooked out there. Also, defense still can’t tackle. We gotta get back to running ball and controlling clock else this will turn into a shootout we can’t sustain.
Lord
This announcer is terrible and annoying. Don’t think I’ve ever heard him before.
At least they aren’t saying Oregon and can add the State on there. My bar is low.
Espn jv squad
And one of them did the age-old crap of calling Oregon St “Oregon” again.
I spoke too soon
That penalty just saved us from running the worst trick play ever: K dive.
Lol. What is wrong with us on 4th. So disfunctional.
Did Atticus draw that flag just so he didn’t have to carry out that suicide mission?
Good call. I hadn’t thought of that.
Maybe he was going to do a jump pass thing.
We throw to o-lineman why not run a tush-push with the placekicker?
Just when I’m about to do my weekly bitch session about Chiles coming in to break game flow blah blah blah. He throws a 5200 yard pass. I’ll just stop now and accept JS’s wicked ways.
World record I bet
The read option was nice, too
Came right after he made a terrible throw and got lucky lol. The deep ball should have been a TD, too. Still just seems so random to do it every third drive of every game
This game doesn’t look good for us. Lots of things going against positive trends and no major improvements anywhere.
After a damn near perfect first drive it has gone sloppy fast. The secondary is porous. I would blitz more and hope for the best.
Are the announcers in the stadium or watching on a tape delayed stream? They’re not good
Rod Gilmore is up there at one of the worst in the business. He’s terrible
He must have compromising photos of someone
At least Easton came to tackle today
Chiles is gonna be great but holy fuck, that drive was a shit show. Not totally on him, but seemed like everyone was disjointed. We need to chill on the reverse stuff for a bit. Zona seems to be flying around and sniffing that shit out.
Only one of those mistakes was on him. Granted, it should have been a pick.
McCartan!!!
That’s the spirit.
And now the announcer actually called us the ducks.
What’s with the Mike Riley clock management?
Fir fucks sake! Use a timeout!
Not the best clock awareness there, you have to throw quickly there to get another play. DJ is throwing late also. I think the Gould play and now Martinez should have been touchdowns, granted Martinez still could have caught that ball.
Yup
Rod Gilmore is TERRIBLE.
Nor can he spell or count.
He’s also annoying AF
I never care one way or the other about football announcement but I’m so distracted from this game tonight because of how terrible these guys are.
2nd half gameplan needs to be to run the ball because DJU is off tonight
Timeouts don’t roll over..?
Well, I really feel like the last 10 min or so was really living on the edge. Zona dropped at least 2 int. We had a few bad pitches/snaps and ball. Playing too tight maybe? Rust from a bye week? Or just the normal road Beavs showing up? Gotta get our heads in the game the 2nd half.
Unbelievable
DJ is to slow to pick up receivers. Either that or he will only throw to wide open receivers. He’s already missed 4 throws in the 1st half.
The halftime conversation has to be awkward. Does Smith apologize to the players? He should. Great interception wasted. OTOH, the Ariz locker room is probably having a good laugh. Tackling not much improved. Forget which play but the o-line was giving DJ ‘time to make a sandwich’ and he couldn’t complete the pass.
Why would you run that there? Just stupid. Beavs lose.
What. The. Fuck.
Jesus Christ
Smith is insane.
What
With only 3 seconds left?
What the fuck did I just watch?
Dafuq
But why?
JS is just horrendous. That one goes to the top of the Stupid Gambler List.
Even the stupid announcers were like why? Stupid!
What the fuck was THAT!?!
Are you fuking kidding?
Sun Bowl team
What was that? Absolutely no reason for that call.
Feels like we should be up 10 but tied. Gonna catch up to us
Should be up 3 for sure.
Wow. Smith is at it again. That might come back to bite us. STUPID coaching decision!!!
Watch us lose by 3 or less
That might’ve been the worst fucking call I’ve ever seen in any football game
Thats just being reckless to be reckless. No way to justify it.
DJ has barely missed on a couple TDS and then that fake FG……….not feeling great about this one. Why would you run a fake FG from that far out on the final play of the half? Defies all logic
Why? Just why?
Someone fucking explain it. From 35 yards out with 3 seconds left in the half
Just when you think a degenerate gambler can’t top himself? JS says hold my scratchy lotteries.
Reverse psychology. They’d never expect we’d do it twice hahahah
For the record, I called Smith’s degenerate gambling problems year 1 vs Nevada. You don’t make that call against Nevada unless you have something seriously wrong with your internal risk profile. It just took the world 5 years to agree for some reason. Prodigal son syndrome?
That fucking moron.. If the Beavs lose and miss out on a meaningful bowl game, Smith should be docked $3M.
Just today i was thinking he’ll fuck up the cW with these kinds of calls…
Fuck. You’re on the road, with refs against you the test of the season. If i was in front of him, i’d kick him in the nuts…
He and Lanning can fuck each other.
He’s definitely low IQ with statistics. Like the worst I’ve ever seen.
Uh oh. That is a total downer going into the locker room. JS must know this team far better than any of us because that kind of stunt could lose a few guys.
Low ego high output but the coaches are trying to outsmart everyone and looking like fools.
Dumb ass Cookus !
That was awful game management, needed to take the TO with 25 seconds left, to only get two plays in after the first down is mismanagement and fake FG with no time left is stupid unless you are blowing them out and want to get it on film. Idiotic in a 10-10 game.
Yup
For those who are saying that’s the worst play call they’ve ever seen, still can’t top this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i7VKQwDS2s
Bahaha I knew what play that was before I even opened the link. That still cracks me up every time I watch it.
All or nothing. Going for their throat. I do love the Beavs, but they do try my patience.
The whole first half started going to shit after Lindgren called a first down pass with a deep dropback after two huge running plays had just gashed the Wildcats. Of course, DJ gets sacked for an 8-yard loss with botched protection and the cluster fuck ensues!
At the game. Dumbest call ever.
Funny they try the fake FG, penalty saves them, so they try again from farther away and no time left? I mean it almost worked , that probably means no lesson learned
If he hasn’t learned by now he’ll never learn. Old dog/new tricks.
The first fake FG call was good. Prior to the penalty we only needed two yards and nobody saw it coming. Doing it a second time confirms Smitty still has the riverboat gambler in him and that makes me less optimistic about his in game coaching decisions.
As Parker noted on the radio broadcast, OSU had hinted at a fake FG on the earlier drive and Zona no doubt had a chance to talk about that in the meantime. The other dumb ass part of that call is that it’s a good way to get your kicker injured.
The other dumb ass part is you’re asking your kicker to run 30 yards for a TD.
I do think the pure insanity of it at least did have the element of surprise though haha.
Smith not only fucked up by calling for the fake fg but the clock management was almost as bad. There is no explanation for the fake fg. It is Smith wanting the attention on him. That call and the clock management are mistakes that cost teams games. Inexcusable.
The weird thing though is……these gambles almost never work lol. Most gambling addicts are losers in the long run because they chase their losses too much. But there are also a fair amount of wins to keep them going. Not Smith though haha.
Clock mismanagement could indicate Smilin’ Mike is lurking; fake fg shows he’s not.
This stadium is very empty.
Even the Arizona fans don’t want to watch riverboat gamblers.
Exhibit ??? for not extending Smith’s contract.
Smith is still a top 5 x’s and o’s coach and at least top 10 in player development. So bizarre that gambling is the thing that holds him back.
Well, I did think the dropkick onside kick was brilliant. In fact so brilliant that the officials did know that it was actually illegal. I guess stuff lke that just encourages Smith further.
The decision making has cost us too many games. Timeout usage and 4th down decisions ultimately fall on the head coach.
Winning just about every statistical category but yet tied.
It’s even more heinous to me because Arizona gets the ball to start the second half. There’s no logic with the decision and it’s delirium to think the kicker is going to score from 15 yards out. Also, as a minor side note, it’s sure a shitty way to end the perfect red zone streak.
I knew there was a jinx when coin toss didn’t go to Beavs for the first time this season.
Why are we surprised? This is JS’s identity.
Surprised? Why? Because it is an insanely stupid ass call at that point in the game. Even for Smith.
Shouldn’t Cookus say WTF to the Fake ? or did he suggests this during the week and said go with it …Twice
I think JS is bored with a low scoring grind it out win and can’t idle back and appreciate a 3 pt lead at half. He wanted the 7.
First time
All year Beavs didn’t score in the red zone?
Then run your offense out there and have a real shot at scoring. Or don’t blow the fucking clock management and give yourself opportunities to score.
He absolutely can’t stop….I’m finding it a bit disrespectful to the program and fan base. He doesn’t take it seriously….just having another day at the riverboat.
Still gets to cash his checks..
It’s so frustrating that we’re still making calls every game that we HAD to make in year 1 or 2 when this team was at such a low point and so far behind the talent spectrum. This is not that team anymore. 6-1 right now and each week they still make these fucking dumbass play calls. Just fucking stop already. Run the ball. Get play action up again and win this game. No quadruple reverses. No kicker runs up the gut to try and score from 30 yds. Why do we struggle so much on thr road? We leave all common sense back in Corvallis and just throw darts at the board to call plays? It’s going to limit what this team can achieve this year, and in years to come.
Pathetic
Fuck that call!!!! And run the fucking ball!!!
DJ needs to be better in the 2nd half. His throws have been pretty wild for the most part. A few were still caught since receivers were so wide open but still cost them the ability to catch with a head of steam. Lots of missed opportunities.
OK. After 20 minutes of reflection, that has to be the worst call of Smith’s time at OSU.
Oh yeah. Has to be one of the worst in all of college football in the past decade haha.
Worst in football history. #dramaticcomment
Cristobal not taking a knee to preserve a win twice at 2 different schools?
Game over. Smith lost his team. #dramaticcomment
On a field goal?
Angry also pretty much guaranteed Smith won’t be at OSU next year if they are in MWC. So maybe his way to push his point? Then he could use that as one of the reason JS left because he lost the team lol
No he won’t be our coach bc he won’t stoop to the MWC.
Fair, I’m not even stooping to the MWC
Yeah I can’t see myself watching glorified HS ball. We’ll see. I’m still hoping the Big12 somehow saves us from that decision but haven’t followed that.
Maybe JS and Amgry have an inside deal to increase the game thread comments…JS says I have just the play, watch this…at least an additional 200 comments.
The Reddit game thread is pretty entertaining.
Smiths huge problem is he doesn’t understand FGs are really good.
Have you considered being an Iowa Hawkeyes fan?
It is absolutely mind blowing how stupid that was
Smiths problem is he wants the attention!
What would you do if you had the most common name in the country? You run a fake on a field goal, that’s what.
Reporter: “You’re the 2nd highest paid state employee behind Dan Lanning and you make $4.8M. You’re on the road. 10 of 12 Conference teams need to see OSU fail. How do you explain that call?”
Smith: “Umm, wait until Beaver Combine when you see Atticus’s 40 time. Next question?”
DJ looks scared in the pocket. He needs to be better or it’s time for Chiles
Third down and DJ does a good job of finding his receiver with pressure closing in………and throws it too high. ugh
The throws definitely look much worse than they are cause Gould and Bolden are very small. Not being able to bring in a quality bigger receiver really shows up in moments like that
Munyagi, Noga, Valsin…..all fairly tall, but not getting playing time……
Did you hear the sideline announcer say that Smith told her “they had the look they wanted”? When in God’s name is there ever a look where the kicker is going to be able to run 15 yards in the Red Zone and score a TD?????
Need a stop.
We’re so much better than Arizona, I’m really not impressed by them. It’s so frustrating we’re losing rn
Scoreboard.
They better score on this possession.
Time for Bolden to make a play. Maybe give Fenwick a few carries.
Last time Fenwick was in he fell and didn’t block anyone on a blitz
We are nearing the time when refs can change the game with one call either way. Beavs need to be in control of the game shortly or it will be a predicrtable bad call coming soon.
Finally Valsin gets to play, called for it above….sorta
you called it.
DJ trying for huge plays and passing up easy 5-6 yard check downs
Arizona sure is ripping at that ball.
Beavs need a touchdown here. It feels like they have been toying with UA so far but it may backfire shortly if they can’t regain the lead. Few possessions left in the game.
so let me ask this on second down. Does Smith kick a FG on 4th down
Old school drop kick by DJ. The look they want will be there.
In-game coach interview? I didn’t know that was a thing.
I’m surprised Smith didn’t go for two on the extra point lol
ha!
The screen and the reverse were nice calls. The defense is going to need to step up big.
Hahahaha, yea right
Need a stop or turnover.
The running back for Arizona looks like a pretty dang good player
Are these announcers getting an extra cash bonus for how many times they can say TMAC?
Look, when you’ve caught the ball as many times as he has, it gets a little old to say his entire name.
Ha
It’s about time they doubled #4, geez, and whatever happened to the art of shucking wide-outs hard at the line of scrimmage?
that late defensive substitution to force a time out will be one of Kyle Whittingham’s legacies. He used that strategy to perfection vs. SC last week.
Could be huge late in the game when Arizona needs that time out
How’s that work, can the defense lollygag as long as they want? Seems odd
if the offense has already made an offensive substitution, yes.
D needs to step up.
They did…
Lol Chatfield
need a 8-9 minute drive culminating in a TD
OSU put the Cal game away with a 9min 12 second 4th qtr drive. Just do the same.
It sure would be nice to have those 3 points
Nice call on the pooch punt
Absolutely must score something here along with dragging out the playclock.
A nine-minute drive here would be sweet.
time for Velling
not enough running plays on that series.
Can’t abandon the run on second and long
We’re going to lose, right?
#dramaticcomment
By 3?
Rough game for DJU, processing slow. But why are they not running the damn ball? Those three points…
Are they saving Martinez for the NFL?
hmmm. should be a tie game.
If only we had those 3 points…
my opinion hasn’t changed either.
No shit
Shitty special teams at the worst time didn’t help. Need a drive for the season now.
DJ forcing the ball downfield. Take the check downs
He seems slow to take off and run too. I doubt they have him spied. It looked to me on a couple of those plays in the pocket he could have stepped up and ran for a few yards.
Let them score quickly so we have the last possession for the win
Smith’s 3D chess
More like 1D checkers.
I want Chiles
Staff let the players down. Hard to watch.
GOOD teams don’t play (coach) down to their competition.
Probably 3-4 losses in the last season of tge PAC…
Here comes the panicky passing on first down
Game over.
Playcalling went to shit. Defense better make a stop
Classic PAC12 block in the back no call on the punt.
He got a double on that one and no call
Some of this is on Lindgren and his playing calling. What an awful series of play calls WITH a wasted time out. This game feels lost, time for another minor bowl game.
Who could’ve predicted it……3 straight passes. Lindgren/Smith have been especially awful with playcalling tonight.
Momentum had shifted to UA in all 3 phases of the game. Those 3 points might not matter after all.
This is where the refs can change the game too.
Lindgren just panicked with his playcalling but watch the refs slam the door on the Beavs with a couple of calls to favor UA
Terrible fucking coaching. Why are we throwing when we have averaged 5 yds a carry. Smith and staff have cost us this game. Also I think it is Chiles time.
Tackle?
Stop fucking tackling with your shoulders!
Nothing wrong with 7-5
8-4, I figure. Losses at Colorado and Oregon; wins vs. Stanford and UW
Smith lost the team.
Third under-achieving season in a row…
The fact that DJ can throw it 65 yards off his back foot will lead to the run and there fore the season being abandoned
I have no idea why they abandoned the run and play-action from under center there. Some baffling coaching decisions. There was plenty of time to keep running it or at least make the defense think you were gonna run it. Hard to believe they’re gonna lose this one but so many self inflicted mistakes
Have to hold them to a field goal
Or it is over
Gashin’ Beavers!
no one should really be surprised. Zona played UW tough, should have beaten SC, hammered the Cougs in Pullman.
True, but I’m bettin’ Smith and Bray are surprised.
UW and UO are going to kill us.
7-5 or 8-4 season. We’ll get humiliated by the Ducks. May play the Huckies close
Welp, I guess we have a court case decision to look forward…..right?
Coaching staff should feel awful for this loss. Smith for the fake fg and playing DJ instead of Chiles. OC for calling another shitty game.
hey, where’s student beaver?
he got grounded from the internets by mommy and daddy
Interesting to watch Fisch pass all game them when they need to run clock they just start running
The ball and kill 4 minutes off the clock in only 40 yards.
Smith needs to fire Cookus on the tarmac
For the ridiculous special teams trick play looks. Someone has to be pushing for those plays to be old by Smith.
After firing Cookus, Smith needs to enter coaching rehab and invite Chris Peterson as a consultant.
Now the refs influence the suspicions spot of the ball and of course it benefits UA.
Martinez is averaging over 6 yards per carry and has 14 carries. Coaching staff neutralized the best aspect of the offense for no reason. First offensive drive of the game happened and then they decided to stop running it lol
Yup
Our magical season ended with WSU, but now it definitely ended. We’ll leave the PAC never knowing glory.
Loss is once again on Smith. A HC’s #1 job is to put his players in a position to succeed. It’s not to follow your (really bad) gut and do what you think seems cool.
Too many losses resulting from coaching decisions.
Can’t win against decent opponents on the road.
I would not extend him if I’m Barnes.
I think we underestimated the losses off of last year’s defense. Last years D was elite. This years is average at best.
So many times they’ve been right there for a short gain and just start whiffing on tackles left and right. Pathetic
Can the Beavs ever just stick a guy and stop him in his tracks? I am getting so tired of the extra two or three yards on opposition running plays and that doesn’t even include receivers always getting extra yards.
Heart plays. Beavs had their heart ripped out by their HC.
Coaching malpractice by Smith tonight
Outcoached.
Arizona has a better head coach.
It is sad when you finally have the players but the coaching staff doesn’t know what to do with them.
Looks like I’ll be able to cancel streaming service JUST in time before the new billing cycle after all yaaaay :D
Kind of painful thinking what lies ahead. Don’t know if I have the stomach for it. How did Bray turn things around so well, and not be able to maintain the basics with his players? Did they not say “we need to shore up the tackling” after the UCLA game? What is the definition of insanity?
Well now the Beavs will get dropped to #23 or so and not be spoken of anymore this season by the major media.
JS lost this game at halftime for no real reason. So dumb and he should answer for it.
It was special while it lasted. Good run at the ship
of course, the game would be tied now, or is everyone tired of hearing that?
Defense got absolutely manhandled with the game on the line. No resistance whatsoever. This is a game they should have won. So many missed chances in the first half. With an uncertain future, this season felt like a chance to see something special and it appears it will end in a whimper. The most Oregon State result
Those 3 points..,
Yep, as I said, the thing Smith doesn’t understand is 3 point is a big deal. He seems to think it’s nothing. It’s the possession you need and don’t get now…
Mean that AZ doesn’t play prevent D and give the Beavs a TD
Who gets that onside though?
My man Valsin, lookin’ tall on that TD
Good Lord, it was right at Velling’s feet. Was his helmet over his eyes?
Why would you stand upright as the ball is low and spinning? Every Beav was just standing straight up lol. Get down and get the ball you morons.
It has to go 10 yards. They actually looked like they knew what was going on
It didn’t look like that at all. They didn’t bend their knees!
Who cares about bent knees. It hadn’t gone 10 yards yet.
Because you have to be low and ready to grab it when it does. You can’t be standing upright and take time to bend. So dumb. It’s actually exactly what cost them from getting it.
It was weird because an Arizona player could have recovered it, the receiving team doesn’t have to wait. They almost made a huge mistake because the ball was right there for Velling to fall on.
Bad Coaching, Bad Tackling
Stupid F’ing coach
Inexcusable loss and it is solely on the coaches. So frustrating.
DJ needs to be better on the put away drives. We had them in a good spot up 4 if we could have out together a TD drive would have put them away. Couldn’t do it against Cal, couldn’t do it against UCLA, couldn’t do it against Arizona.
This might be the worst onside recovery team on the planet. Perfect executed and right at Velling’s feet and he looks like he can’t see it.
It hadn’t gone 10 yards yet.
The replay showed it had just gone over ten yards when Velling didn’t seem to know where the ball was. You could see how frustrated Bolden was, he was shielded off and tried to get around some guys and get to it.
Just watched the replay and Velling is hovering over the ball at 9 yards and waiting for it to go further.
Because he was standing as erect as Colletto’s penis with a sideline reporter.
Hey-ohhhhh
I hate visors on guys. Either wear a hat or nothing.
On the last thread I said I saw at the very least, 3 losses. Make that 4. possibly 5.
If we’re missing Cooper and Hodgins next week again I don’t see this team winning in Boulder.
Well Smith wants the attention on him. I wonder how he feels costing his team. Sad!!!!!
Spot on. He’s reliving his glory days at their expense.
My buddy in Georgia just said Smith should be fired for that. Quote: “He should be fired for that. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw that shit.”
It’s becoming Nationally embarrassing.
It happens every week everywhere. You make it sound like smith is the only one doing it. Not that it isn’t dumb, but it’s hardly a OSU specific trait.
That doesn’t make it ok.
I said it was dumb.
This loss hurt. We were better. Two plays stick out that went Zonas way. The roughing the passer. Even before JS bonehead call, Zona lucked out on that pass to Martinez. 14 pts.
Smith out smarted himself…again!
Crazy how we go from hoping JS doesn’t leave us when we join the MWC to hoping JS leaves us when we join the MWC.
We’re going to lose games in the MWC the same manner as tonight with JS. Difference is we’ll have less talent.
Well, after this coaching debacle, I doubt another Power 5 program is going to want Smith.
Yes should have kicked fg but this team loses this game either way. Arizona was dominating our defense in the 4th. Give UA credit. Beavs are good but not great. Colorado won’t be easy. 7-5 is more likely than 10-2.
Exactly.
Smith’s call was so unbelievably bad! No one can legitimately defend that call. That costed us the game. DJ’s inconstency and fear in the bright lights didn’t help. DJ just can’t function when things break down. Might be time to turn it over to AC.
Overkill- dj played really good. That was just a really good game- with 1 glaring coach decision. Without that, super good game all around
Turn it over to AC?…….didja see him fumble the snap right before the fake FG call? He’s good, but the backup QB isn’t often the answer and with the poor tackling I don’t think that move would solve the Beavs problem.
It never made it to his hand. That was the centers fault.
Maybe now alot of you can quit worrying about national rankings, and concern yourself instead on who we’re going to beat on the remainig schedule other than Stanford.
Stanford plays with heart. Came back down 29-0 to Colorado and played against UW very well today given the circumstance. Helps its at home but I wouldn’t count it as an auto win.
Spot on, can’t assume Beavs will walk over anyone. (wouldn’t have said that last week)
Beat CO and WA, undecided on ducks yet.
CO is a road game against a better QB than we saw tonight. Penix will need Tommy John surgery after a night of picking our secondary apart. I was decided on the Civil War when Nix announced he was returning for another season.
Little Bro and Bo won’t get a natty either way so at least we’ll have company in our misery!
I think we just need to accept reality.
8-10 wins is the best it’s ever gonna be
I know the fake FG blunder sucked but it was brutal to watch the defense get punched in the mouth play after play after play with the game on the line and also to watch the offense again go away from what makes them successful. Being “physical” is supposed to be what they are about and they got bullied when it mattered most.
Two weeks to prepare for this game….
On the plus side – it does mark a milestone in Smith’s tenure – I can’t remember the last time the opposing student section stormed the field after beating the Beavers. So there is that. :(
Well, every program has its WTF’s. I just watched a UNLV receiver drop a wide-open TD pass that could have sent the game against Fresno in OT with 13 seconds left. On the ensuing play, the UNLV QB throws a pick. Game over. Hey, the Beavs are going to be playing these teams next season!
I wonder if Bill Oram will write a column this week excruciating JS for his…ahem…aggressive nature like he did Dan Lanning a couple weeks ago. I hope so.
DJ definitely hesitates too much. Whenever he doesn’t hit his first or second option, he’s done. It doesn’t matter how good the protection is, he just freezes. He makes some great throws when a play develops as planned, but after that he either panics or he freezes. He’s not elite but Lindgren thinks he is.
Doesn’t help that his first options are never fucking open. Probably drives him crazy his receivers can’t get separation.
Was nice to see Valsin make an impact in the second half.
I don’t know quite how to describe it, but he’s just not smooth in the pocket, but his arm strength covers up a lot. He’s also more lumbering than I thought. Huge difference when Chiles runs the ball. I can see a little of Clemson fans’ angst, but DJ is definitely not an RPO QB either.
We were more out coached then outplayed.
In game coaching was crap, preparation for the D, based on the lack of tackling, wasn’t any better.
Correct. We were out-coached first, then we were out-played second.
If I am correct, I seem to remember there was a time when the GT published letters on the sports page about sports things. Everyone read or at least noticed them at breakfast (including the coaches). Now coaches can live outside what fans think.
Here’s my take and I made most beaver fans agreed with Mr at the game:
-Refs sucked some
-Lindgren never runs the ball when we are dominating that area
-Take the 3 points
-JS is a degenerate gambler
Shout out to those beaver fans I talked to justifying the gambling. I bet you want Mike Riley back.
3 out of 4 ain’t bad………refs were not really a factor (Beavs D didn’t let it get close enough for that).
Refs were a factor. That so-called roughing the passer penalty gifted an Arizona TD.
100%
OK
That crappy roughing the passer call hurt because it kept an Arizona drive alive and they scored. Otherwise, I thought the officiating was ok.
I mourn this loss like it’s the end of Oregon state football relevance, which looks like a potential reality. Roughing the passer call was a low blow but the offense failed in the second half. What could have been…
Win the next 3 and our season will regain that special feel going into next he civil war. Call me crazy but I thought Arizona in Tucson is tougher than Washington in Reser . Really think the next 3 games are very winnable.
Arizona was very winnable. How are the next three different?
I don’t know, it’s obvious now that this defense is nowhere near as good as last year’s. The defense has had its moments, but it hasn’t locked down a league opponent yet. Tackling is heinous, secondary has had issues and injuries. The offense is going to have to win these games, it might be good enough to beat CU and Stanford, not sure about UW and Oregon on the road is going to be a blowout.
It’s easier once you accept this is a program that simply could not and will not reach the top for even one year. It’s okay, that’s most teams. Stick around for the rides or don’t, it’s a fair individual choice. I kind of lament the 15+ years I spent before 2021 getting wrapped up in all of it, but it was entertainment at least :) Live and learn, not for me in the end.
Yeah but this was our best shot, so to have the HC ruin it twice…
Munyagi, Noga, Valsin all are tall enough to expand the target area and all have have had good moments in the minimal minutes they’ve been given. But, like eschewing the run, Lindgren can’t seem to see it.
As for Bray, what can ya say?
The tackling can be attributed to coaching but there’s only so much you can do when you’re having to start a couple of freshman and you have a couple of freshman in the rotation. I think those young secondary guys will be really solid after a few years to mature but its too much for them to be great against all these good offensive programs that can pass the rock. Its also likely that a few years in the weight room will help these young guys tackle better as they grow and mature. It’s too bad we don’t have the secondary from last year and the front 7 from this year. That would make a great defense.
At least this makes Smith less desirable as a HC candidate? Trying to find the bright spot. Chiles is really good I guess. I still believe we can win every game we play, like a dumbass. I guess I just finally thought this season really would be different. Especially since Smith’s gambling hadn’t come out until tonight. Just heartbreaking when this was the year to have our best season since ‘00 and we fucking blew it.
Well his gambling played a role in the Washington state loss as well if you recall. That was a brutal fake FG call, I bet that’s a less than 1% chance of working from that far out. Know your odds.
Oh, he’s made his gambles this year but they all seem like rational choices now after tonight’s play call. Lol. Every other game there’s at least 1 head scratcher but this one is in a league of its own.
Beavs fans. I know I’ll get lit up for this and I’m happy to wear it. But don’t blame this on the refs. The holding call on the Cats up 13-10 in the 3rd when we were driving at will was agregiously bad. This game was not decided by the refs. Wazzu and osu are hands down my favorite non UofA Pac teams. That was two teams who are pretty god damn evenly matched (Beavs would beat us in Corvallis 8 times out of 10 and 6 out of 10 on a neutral field). Not telling you anything you already know but when you guys attempted the fake field goal, I said to my UofA buddies…that’s gonna lose them the game. We have been on the bad side of stupid or flukey plays more times than I can count in my 45 years. That was hands down the most idiotic coaching decision I’ve ever seen in football. That’s not to pour salt in the wounds. That was just pure unadulterated idiocy, I respect Smith so much from afar…I just don’t get it. Beat the Dawgs and Fucks and I want to see you with us in the Big12
Yea I haven’t seen anyone even mention the refs let alone blame them for the loss. Which is strange with a game involving PAC 12 officiating. This was solely on Smith. Props to y’all, played great on D and made our D look like absolute shit. Fifita is a straight killer out there. Was so sad when you guys couldn’t pull it out against SC.
The fake fg was bad. Refs were fine although that roughing the passer call was bad and had a huge impact… more than fake fg. All that said, UA deserved to win. Played better
Man, hard to think this season had so much promise and now with 2 losses is very likely we have 4 losses in the Pac. This was a huge game. I was thinking we’d split the UW/UO games but I’m not confident in that at all. Playing UW at home is a huge advantage but Penix will absolutely shred this defense…even more so if our secondary is still depleted. I also think it’s time for me to admit that this defense is just average at best. We can’t tackle. It’s like Tibesar has taken over the fundamentals again. We suck absolute shit on the road and I don’t give a fuck if Nix is the check-down king, we gave up at least 1 td on a check-down pass to the rb. With how we tackle, Irving and Troy Franklin will think it’s a walk in the park. With the coaching decisions being made, and how we play on the road, I don’t see that being a close game at all as much as it pains me to say it.
While it’s easy to lay this loss on Smith and the absolute worst play call in years, UA outplayed us for most of that game. They dropped at least 3 picks. We put the ball on the ground a few times and were lucky to avoid turnovers there. We couldn’t stop the passing game and in the 4th quarter we gave up defending the run. If the coaches, especially on offense, don’t take advantage of what we do best and stuck with what’s working, we won’t ever take that next step regardless of what kind of talent we can get. Our last game, i gave Lingren props that it might’ve been his best called game ever and he follows that up with quite possibly on3 of his worst called games as a Beav. These aren’t mistakes that coaches 5 years into their roles are making anymore. This staff still acts like this is 2019 and that’s pretty sad to see.
I almost wonder if a coach does something like that to jumpstart the team – if it works, maybe they get fired up, if it doesn’t work, maybe they freak out a little and play with more intensity. A three-point lead at halftime? Ho-hum.
It’s still a bad play call, even if you think the decision for the fake was good.
Speaking for myself as a washed up athlete, I’d much rather have taken a last second lead after a big turnover like that then try some bullshit 30 yd run with the kicker. I’m sure some of the 4th and 1’s he’s taken over the years have been made to say hey, we’re giving you the chance, make it happen. But not a 30 yd kicker run up the gut. That’s just a silly call that I fear will have larger downstream effects on this season. UA is a good team but one we could’ve, and should’ve, beaten had we played normal football and not som3 goofball shit like they pulled l. Hell, UA and WSU are both in rebuilds with newer staff right? Do you see them make those dublmbshit calls? No. You don’t. I think UA made 1 4th down attempt on their side of the field but that was around the 45 yd line I think. I don’t believe you can rationalize some of these calls. It really does feel like the staff believes we’re still the same program we were in 2019 and conventional and rational play calling is beyond us still.
Oh yes, you absolutely need to take points off of a turnover. Oregon screwed that up against UW. Those are “free points” – you HAVE to penalize a team for turning the ball over – even if its only three points.
This ^^^^^^
Think of the odds on that fake FG. Let’s say 75% you get 3 pts kicking it and 1% you get 7pts with fake. How does your gut in that moment say – “let’s fake the FG!” It literally has almost no chance at happening for an additional 4 points?? As risk of losing 3 gimme points. It would be the equivalent of in basketball swapping FTs for an opportunity at a full court shot worth 3 instead of 2 pts for a 80% FT shooter.
Does Sappington even have any speed or athleticism? It doesn’t look like it at a glance. Also, there would need to be absolutely perfect blocking for that play to even have a chance from that far out. On replay, it looks like a #89 (I think) whiff on his block, and #9 tackles Sappington. Again, the call was madness, but to expect that play could have the perfect execution needed from special teamers that far from the end zone is a special kind of insanity I can’t wrap my head around.
Also where the fuck is StudentBeaver? Maybe the game went past his bed time. Or he’s on another ‘vacation’.
JS. River. Boat. Gambler. MF.
From one of the game stories on Oregon Live. Pretty unsatisfying comments from JS:
In a nutshell, OSU’s misfires came down to an erratic offense and a special teams gamble that coach Jonathan Smith said was a “bad call.”
The “bad call” will be one that sticks with Oregon State and its fan base for some time. To rewind: three seconds left before halftime, score tied at 10-10, and the Beavers lining up to kick a 33-yard field goal. Instead, kicker Atticus Sappington takes a pitch from the holder and tries to run for a touchdown. He was stopped seven yards short of the end zone, with no time left on the clock.
Think those possible three points don’t sting in a 27-24 loss?
Smith admitted he was itching to run the fake field goal. It had flashed in bright lights at him all week in preparing for the game. They even had the play called on a field goal attempt earlier in the game, but a delay of game penalty changed the decision to kick the field goal.
“Ultra-aggression,” Smith said. “Asking Atticus to score from 20 yards out. We had the look we wanted and all of that, but it was just a bad call.”
Asked if he regrets the call, Smith owned it.
“Sure. It didn’t work,” he said.
Among those who had Smith’s back was quarterback DJ Uiagalelei.
“I wasn’t surprised at all. I thought it was a great call,” Uiagalelei said. “At the end of the day, we will live and die by Coach Smith and whatever he wants to do. I support him 110%.
“I think if we scored a touchdown there, no one would ever question the call. We’re going to try to win the game every time. We’re not going to be complacent.”
In six years of coaching, Smith has two road wins over opponents that ended the season with winning records.
It’s time for a change.
Oh yeah, one of those wins was over a Mountain West team. lol
What kinda change?
HC
Cookus watched the Iowa St. Kicker Chase Contreras pull off this exact fake last week for a first down…About the same spot on the field , only thing there was much more time on the clock. He was determined to get this play in this week. Showed his hand earlier, with 2 seconds left made the call again. I guess Smith ok’s the play. STUPID !
Wow, looking back it’s actually incredible how horrific that entire end of the half sequence was. Beavs wasted 10 seconds by not calling timeout before the play where DJ threw it away out the back of the endzone, costing the Beavs an additional play. THEN DJ has a wide open receiver in the end zone and throws such a weak lob that it floats long enough for the defender to recover and break up the pass. THEN they get a delay penalty that gives away the dumbass fake FG call. THEN they still try the fake anyway! LMAO!!
He’s a reckless HC.
OSU will never reach a significant bowl game under Smith.
You make a good point. I think the abysmal clock management was overshadowed by the bizarre play call. There was plenty of time for three shots to the end zone and then kick a field goal as the worst-case scenario, but yet somehow that got fucked up also. DJ should know better than to scan the field for 8-10 seconds in that situation or maybe he was the victim of a poor play call. It has to be a quick hitter. To me how coaches handle those scenarios separates the elite from the average. Not Smith’s best showing for sure.
If you talk to any reckless driver, they don’t think they’re bad drivers, just that they’re being aggressive. I grew up in NJ. Trust me. But it’s the same thing here. This new bread of bozo HC that goes for ever 50/50 play just says, “I’m being aggressive!” and the fans and media lap it up because it implies you’re being pro-active and not sitting back just waiting to lose the game. The problem with this should be obvious by now. Fans and media have to start holding all of these HC accountable. I feel like a lot of this started with Chip. Chip had a great team and skewed the stats/success rate so that all coaches thought it was the smart thing to do, not realizing if you’re not Oregon vs Portland State the odds of success are actually much lower. And as the sample has gotten bigger over that years, that is playing out, and we’re seeing success rates drop.
There’s a time to pass on points and where going for it is actually the statistically better play, but those are maybe once every two or three games, on average. In general you always take points because while 3 points seems low, it is still half a touch down, and it is still a possession (key point). Football at the core is about possessions you can’t get back (this is why TO are such a big deal), and you don’t want to just hand those over. At the end of the game, what did we need? A possession we couldn’t get back. Every time Smith does this it should go in the stat column as an official turnover.
The possessions point is the biggest key IMO, and the main reason not to take unnecessary risks early in the game. What these coaches often miss is EVEN IF YOU CONVERT these risky calls, with so much game time left the conversion isn’t likely to be determinative. If the Beavs somehow score on that, they STILL have a full 2nd half to play, and AZ got the ball to start the 2nd Half. Is being up 17-10 really that much of a dagger in that scenario? Same logic applies to Lannings dumb go for it decision at the end of the 1st half against UW. Even if the Ducks score there there was a full 2nd half to play and the game was likely still going down to the wire anyway.
Yeah you’re better off doing the risky play late. By doing it early you show your hand a bit and let the other team know exactly what they need, and that does motivate the other team. Best to just take possessions/points when they’re in your face and sort out the risky stuff late in the game.
John Madden always said something to the effect of taking the easy points until the game dictates that you can’t anymore. Madden was pretty damn successful and George Blanda kicked a lot of short field goals.
Bingo. Half a TD is not bad.
I was trying to find some success rate stats on college kickers, looks like about 77-80% from 35 yards in. I couldn’t even find anything on a 20-yard running play on 4th and goal, which is essentially what JS was going after. It would have to be less than 1% and with a placekicker running God knows what the improbability would be.
If you are an Oregon you can recover from these stupid HC decisions easily (we saw this last week to this week with Oregon)… it won’t affect recruiting and won’t affect national status and probably won’t affect team psychology as they are all 5 star attitude players. But with a team such as Oregon State these stupid HC decisions affect all these areas. And top that off with where we are conference / relevance wise and the ramifications are multiplied immensely.
The affect of last nights stupid coaching is and willl have a larger ramification for Oregon State then for most other schools in the nation who have a home they will remain in.
To add to this point, you look at the losses that resulted from 4th down degeneracy and see that they cost us a bowl game in 2019, and cost us late season bowl slots in 2021 and 2022. The consequence is fewer practices and low quality opponents.
Well, I guess we are at the point of “what now?”. The ramifications for these types of losses were ten fold for Oregon State this season. There may be no next time.
Last night has solidified our membership in the MWC.
Well, now every team has the blueprint for how to beat Oregon State:
* Force them to throw incomplete passes on 1st down
*Force them to stop running the ball when it’s being successful
*Force them to not tackle
*Force them to run low-percentage trick plays
Now that it’s out there, the rest of our opponents have a cake walk.
More specifically, on defense:
*Crash the interior or right side of the line on first down. Force the RB’s outside where the undersize receivers are forced to block bigger corners. Utah did this extremely well. Martinez and Fenwick don’t have that breakaway speed and go down fairly easily when running to the sideline.
*Blitz contain on third down and force DJ to step up in a small pocket, where he can’t step into his throw.
*Do not play press man without safety help.
On offense: avoid the front six as much as possible.
*Quick receiver screens. Outside of Robinson, OSU’s corners struggle to tackle in space and shed blocks. I see Oregon doing this.
*Back shoulder throws. OSU corners hold a lot. Stanford did this versus Washington and had a ton of success.
*Outside zone run, especially away from Oladapo. UCLA had a ton of success doing this.
You forgot one:
Be patient for JS to go with the foolishly bad trick play call to give you an advantage for the rest of the game.
How could I forget…
Or just hang around until JS gambles away the win
JS needs a staff intervention to figure out what they consider high risk or simply strategic.
He wants to portray an aggressive approach but if he is recruiting high football IQ athletes, this will be the quickest way to lose a team of thoughtful tacticians.
I propose that JS is caught in a poor feedback loop where he is trying to capture some of the Chris Peterson magic that was sustained throughout a decade of high level success on the national stage and
Didn’t do anything but endear Peterson to his fan base, players and national media. The catch for JS is he has no concept of when to implement such tactics, and the plus aren’t nearly as creative.
Someone commented last night that this loss is to be grieved as the true end of OSU football relevance since the media has no need to speak of OSU anymore and soon we will be relegated to a low tier bowl
And a low tier conference. JS had so much on the line and has the team to actually accomplish big things but he has sabotaged this season by several terrible play calls and Lindgren refuses to play call to the strength of the team and commit to the run for extended periods of time. Anyone responsible for proposing to run the fake fg, scouting or designing such a play should resign or be fired today. JS should donate a portion of his salary to local charities as penance for calling such a play. Local media/fans should hound JS about it and shame him into never calling such a boneheaded play again. Perhaps JS has more arrogance than we are aware of if he thinks that play call wasn’t epically bad and an epic failure from a program perspective.
Shania Sanders got the ever loving shit beat out of him by the ucla defense last night.
So much he had to receive an injection for pain at halftime.
I’ve never seen a QB take as many big hits on drop backs as Sanders has this season. It’s truly amazing he’s still playing. If anything, the toughness he’s shown this season adds even more to his accolades. Mad respect for a guy that’s able to take that much punishment and get back up time after time.
He. Can’t. Help. Himself.
“I was just champing at the bit to get the thing called,” Smith said. “What we anticipated, really what we got, was really a pretty good look. I just rolled the dice on that one, and in hindsight, it was not good.”
This coaching staff is capped at 9 win regular seasons….good but never great.
Instead of being 59-46, JS is 52-53….disrespectful to the program, fan base and everything he’s built.
Not sure what to do with JS, he’s a good coach/not great, and a win or two better than Riley, but dude is completely tone def to timing and the big picture during these rush-of-blood-to-the-head-moments….
What the fuck now?
Someone just needs to convince him that all these risky play calls are actually sign of weakness more than a sign of strength. Why would OSU need to do anything besides line up and physically beat AZ straight up? Smith has one of the best schemes in NCAA and also develops players well. If you’re a 3 star guy with a goal to eventually play in the NFL, not many coaches you would want to play for more than Smith.
He’s blown 7 games in his tenure. No one can convince him…..dude is a gambler by definition, on display….he’s got the weight of all of the previous failures weighing on him to one day get it right….it is his fallacy.
—The gambler’s fallacy, also known as the Monte Carlo fallacy, occurs when an individual erroneously believes that a certain random event is less likely or more likely to happen based on the outcome of a previous event or series of events.—
—Right after making a choice and right before finding out about the outcome, the brain is replaying and revisiting nearly every feature of what happened during the previous decision,” said senior author Ming Hsu, an associate professor in the Haas School of Business and Helen Wills Neuroscience Institute at UC Berkeley. “Instead of ‘I just gambled but maybe I shouldn’t have,’ it is, ‘Last round I gambled and that was a really good choice.’ Or, ‘I played it safe last time but should have gone for it.—
I think it’s more than 7.
To say “nobody can convince him” is too definitive. We don’t live in a black and white 100%/0% world. People make permanent changes to their lives every day. It’s definitely possible that he could evolve. Whether or not it’s likely……I don’t think anybody knows.
I should clarify that nobody on this staff or in the Beav organization can help him. He needs intervention from 3rd party professionals. He exhibits all of the traits of gamblers remorse. Is it serious enough for an “intervention”? Is he drowning in debt and losing his house? Probably not, but is he risking future money, stability, fan base, and our collective “home”….yes absolutely!!!
https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/national-helpline
That’s fair. It has to come from someone that has authority over him, like the AD. Or maybe Peterson could reach out to him.
The first step is admitting that you have a problem.
I don’t see that happening.
I wish JS could just make a pact with himself to forget all the fake kicks, 2 pt conversions, going on 4th down, etc. and just play it straight until about 10 minutes left in the game. Even if you are successful with that stuff, how do you even know you need to take those chances until you get to the 4th quarter – it’s just unnecessary and often ends up costing you like last night. I’m also not saying go crazy in the last ten minutes – just let the time and score dictate if you actually need to start taking chances.
He wont and he can’t. If anything he will get worse, he will put more pressure on himself to “make-up” for these losses….
Or maybe this particular play call was bad enough that it actually jolts him out of it. Like a heroin addict receiving a Narcan dose. The level of embarrasment is so high this time, it would be against human nature for it to not have some impact.
One can hope (like the previous times), but when you have Nick Daschel, Angie Machado and John Canzano reinforcing the “aw shucks maybe next time” media attitude it’s almost certainly never going to change.
That’s what makes this one so significant though. Even those media personalities will be going scorched earth this time.
I doubt it, because in his mind he knows they should have won that game despite the stupid fake FG. And he’s probably right. In his mind the loss is more on Bray and Lindgren who didn’t execute how they should. Even if we went to overtime, AZ was controlling the game, the Beavs would have been trying to catch up from then on.
“There’s strategy to this thing,” Smith said. “It’s not just like blind aggression. There’s some strategy. That one (Saturday), just logically, the kicker’s got to run 20 yards. Just a bad call.”
Yeah, I guess the question I have (and I have the same question every week) is who’s bad call was it? Did Cookus make the call without JS’s approval? Did JS make the call? Or did all the coaches get together and agree to do something they knew was a bad call?
It was Smith:
“I was just champing at the bit to get the thing called,” Smith said. “What we anticipated, really what we got, was really a pretty good look. I just rolled the dice on that one, and in hindsight, it was not good.”
Idiotic excuse, just relegated the Beavs to p4 but he was “chomping at the bit”. Get the fuck out of here..
Nevada
WSUx2
Cal
Purdue
Washington
Arizona
….anymore?
Just curious, has a “crazy gamble” won a game for the Beavs? I’m drawing a blank. I don’t think all the Colletto fourth-down conversions were really a gamble, so I’m not counting those.
Almost definitely none have “won the game”. Could be forgetting one but I don’t remember any working that were truly do or die. The biggest issue is that so many have happened before late in the game, making them almost impossible to the definitive “play that made all the difference”.
The winning TD at Fresno wasn’t really a gamble, because the bigger gamble was going to OT against Jake Haener without Musgrave.
More often than not, the stupid calls have made it more difficult in the team, even if they ended up winning.
And there are plenty of ones we won but afterwards we are thinking we are lucky that stupid HC call didn’t cost us the game.
During the game, when the Beavs were down 17-13 and couldn’t seem to make a play, I wondered where was Gulbranson.. he’d get these guys going. Maybe I’m just nestalgic (sp?) but after what did last season he deserves to play!
Another Smith fuckup….
The Beavs were up 17-13 with Bolden’s run in the early fourth quarter and then shit the bed from there. Gulbranson is not as talented as DJ or Chiles that’s why he’s not playing. Gulbranson was also a benefactor of a much better defense last year. Who knows, if the Beavs get “relegated” he may be the starting QB once again!
No question of talent between or QBs, but after what BG helped accomplish last year I believe he deserves to play. AC gets one series per game, BG should be afforded the same respect.
*our
At 17-13 I was yelling run the ball and it never happened. Martinez with 6.2 YPC and “one of the best o-lines” and we continue to have no trust in our identity and ability to do so. Lindgren needs to go even more so than chants for Smith to go. If you a Smith gamble in a game combined with Lindgren calling is counter-identity pass first offense then you have a guaranteed recipe for a loss/closer game than needed.
In short, fire/replace Lindgren.
Abandoning the run game on first down in games like this is pretty much a pillar of the programs ‘identity’ at this point isn’t it?
Lindgren is the new McGiven
Martinez ended up with only 14 carries, I didn’t check Fenwick, but was it even 5?
On a more positive note…
Air Force is 8-0.
Might be our LA bowl opponent.
Wouldn’t that be fun
Nebraska is 5-3 with a legit shot to win the B1G West playing the ugliest football since that 3-0 Sun Bowl.
We can’t even TPB them for therapy.
The play call was ridiculous. However, it’s like the kid that gets blamed for not making free throws at the end of a high school bb game. Everyone forgets all the blocked shots, missed free throws earlier. In the 4th quarter the Beavs defense melted. DJs throws were somewhat puzzling. He couldn’t seem to move his feet when there were even short running lanes.
Zona had a great game plan to force the Beavs into their weaknesses. They took away DJU’s first options and made him process, he missed so many wide open 2nd and 3rd options and he’d been putting that on film for weeks.
They stacked the box on 1st and 2nd to entice abandoning the run and it worked when they could have just steam rolled them anyway.
They made great use of the bye week and put on a coaching clinic while letting the Beavs beat themselves.
Not sure DJ and process should be spoken together.
Jonathan Smith is now 10-20 on the road as the head coach of Oregon State. Only two of those wins came against teams who finished the season with a winning record.
2019 – 21-17 @ Cal (finished 8-5)
2022 – 35-32 @ Fresno State (finished 10-4, MW champs)
Another fun fact: OSU has not beaten a P5 nonconference opponent on the road since 1978 (Minnesota).
So what you are saying is we need to make our own conference or become independent and play only home games.
Is there a Big 12, SEC, ACC, or Big 10 team we can say with certainty we’d beat on the road?
So, yes.
Riley was infatuated for a while there with playing strong P-5 programs on the road (sometimes with no return game), hence loss after loss in non-conference.
Probably a function of this (incorrect) thought process that you must take unnecessary risk on the road.
It would be interesting if someone could compile stats to determine if the Beavs call more reckless plays in away games. It does feel like they play away games like they’re the inferior team, even if they’re favored.
After that fake field goal call, how can any of the players trust their coaches?
I hope JS apologized to the team first thing this morning, before the flight home. If not last night. Because, letting them simmer over an inexplicably bone headed call is going to destroy trust.
“I was just champing at the bit to get the thing called…”
Such a quote is unexplainable to any bright recruits.
How does the pay itself override the time situation, down and distance?
Such a bad look all around.
All JS needs to do with this team is line up and bludgeon teams mercilessly for 40 minutes and they win 9 games, with some good fortune they win 11, but he has predetermined to call certain plays at odd times in games and it has already cost them 2 losses.
The play wasn’t even particularly inventive. That flip to the kicker is one of the standard fake FG trick plays in most playbooks and to add to the bizarreness of the call, they already showed it earlier.
@CAL Smith said they “saw something on film” that indicated CAL was vulnerable to an onside kick. They weren’t.
This week he was “chomping the bit” to have his kicker try to run 33 yards for 6 points rather than, you know, kicking for 3.
Does he not get he isn’t fooling anyone? Nobody’s surprised at his stupidity.
Now the fake and pass to Swancutt in the CW forever ago fooled people, was a reasonable play, and was executed well. Cintextyally and in design and execution.
Most of Smith’s 4th down calls (absent Colletto) end up in an awkward, unsatisfying explanation to media post game.
These DUM calls take away from the game and reduce, rather than enhance, its watchability.
Smith robbed the team of another week of relevance and a continuing shot at a meaningful bowl game all to scratch his itch. What a fucker.
And Smith is asking for an unbelievable level of perfect execution for these things to work. On the fake FG, it looked like it would have taken five pancake blocks on that left side for Sappington to have any chance in hell of being able to run 25 yards to the endzone. And on the onside kick against Cal, I’m not sure what Sappington was doing, but it was an awful onside kick, he shouldn’t have been put in that situation anyway. Last night’s onside kick was much better, even though they knew it was coming.
UO moves to #7, OSU falls to #19…
way to go Smith!
Tackling in NFL doesn’t look popular either, at least in Jests/Giants highlights..
Well we can start watching volleyball. The girls beat WSU who I think is ranked pretty high. And they did it on the road.
Too much hugging.
Or…the right amount of hugging.
Everyone needs to relax and stop criticizing JS about the fake fg.
He was simply trying to be first team with touchdowns by defensive lineman, offensive lineman and place kicker in the same season. It is a groundbreaking recruiting tactic that everybody scores at OSU…
No way the team as a whole wasn’t embarrassed by that play going into halftime. I’m actually surprised they didn’t coast into a GA second half beat down.
Special teams are atrocious in a couple of key areas and Gould/Bolden have masked the fault lines as great returners. Sappington has been above average.
Special teams has been atrocious in these areas:
Cookus coaching and recruiting
Punter, no distance all year, at least he only had 1 blocked so far
Trick plays- poor execution, poor timing and poor designs for every one of them
Coverage was horrible for the last 2 punts in the 4th quarter
Onside kicks need work too
JS and Cookus are beginning to feel like Riley and Banker, old friends with too much history to be successful or fired
Punt coverage has definitely taken a step back from the beginning of the year. Part of that is missed tackles, part of it is that Green is outkicking the coverage with line drive punts.
I wonder what Nick Saban say after watching the fake field goal. If it was his team he would go ballistic on the players for poor execution then he would follow up by going ballistic on his special teams coach for such a dumb play call, then he would destroy the sideline reporter as he went into halftime.
No way Saban would even associate himself with such a garbage call and someone would be fired on Monday.
JS does the opposite and pulls the “aw shucks” schtick and pretends it was just a bad play call that they had good opportunities for several times, and essentially takes credit for calling the play twice.
Incredible disconnect to reality and game strategy. UA isn’t 2009 Oregon where you need touchdowns and field goals won’t help. For goodness sake, consider the opponent, situation and proceed with actual game strategy. As someone said above, “ Two weeks of preparation for that…”
The time wasted on that fake FG play could’ve been put towards polishing some real plays….team played like shit!
My brain is fuzzy…..Didn’t they attempt it on the previous play but called a timeout? Or was it earlier in the game they attempted it and there was a penalty?
Ya know, they didn’t pull this shit against UCLA. They took the points early in the game. The game was 10-10 at the time. Why deviate?
Wow, all this need a new head coach is nonsense. Yeah JS has some head scratching calls that cost us some games, but who else could the Beavs really get, especially now with a reduced budget and no conference that can even come close to 2022/2023 Beavs?? The Beavs future roster is bright. We’re a top 25 program, without deep pockets in a small city and not much money. We’re not a powerhouse program so maybe it’s time to stop being delusional and have realistic expectations because in the last what, 50 years, only 1 team (2000) was better than 2022 team and we can still lose another game and have a 10 win season which would match 2022. Yeah we need a new head coach smh.
I’m not calling for Smith’s head, but he should be shamed to high heaven for his gambling. Lindgren on the other hand has got to go.
I’m on board with a new OC. The fact they have a veteran O line and multiple stud backs it is a shame they continue to put round pegs in square holes. Run first, utilize play action. This SHOULD be the formula. Make your opponent stop that shit and adjust from there.
What’s Denny up to?
Ummm….Don’t think people are wanting him fired, just held responsible.
Can a team play in the Vegas Bowl in back to back years? I really dont care for the other Pac12 bowls. Holiday I guess could be fun, but I have zero interest in flying clear to Texas or Louisiana in December
who knows. It seems to change every year. Here’s the only things I remember…….
The Alamo is obligated to take the loser of the Pac-12 title game. Unless that team is selected for a NY6 game. See last year when USC lost to Utah and played in the Cotton bowl vs Tulane (I think it was Cotton). That’s why UW went to San Antonio.
The Vegas and Holiday bowls pick after the Alamo and swap selection order each year. I don’t remember who got first pick last year. Think it was Vegas. If that was the case the Holiday picks ahead of Vegas this year. Vegas bowl will also be a B1G opponent this year since it was SEC last year. Vegas and Holiday can also pick a team lower in the standings but only a team that is one game behind the highest remaining available team per the standings.
Once we get to the Sun, bowls are obligated to take the highest remaining team available per the standings.
I could be wrong but this is my pea brained understanding.
The Beavs could wind up anywhere from the Alamo to LA bowl at this point.
I’m fine with any of them except Hell Paso.
Holiday or bust for me. We should have played UNC in that bowl game last year.
The field for the holiday bowl is bad and an injury risk for players, at least last year. Sightlines are poor too given its in a baseball stadium. I thought there was talk of having it in SDSU’s new football stadium, which like Reser is relatively small but better sightlines and built for future, smaller crowds.
But for the venue, a Holiday bowl would be fun, and there’s some good food in SD.
If they play out if their minds and win out, could they get aFiesta Bowl invite?
Pac12 also has a tie in to the Independence Bowl in Shreveport, LA, which does nothing for me, that time of year.
So that’s probably where we’ll land.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2023-24-college-football-bowl-schedule-games-dates-locations-kickoff-times-tv-channels/
Looking at the list of MWC bowl tie-ins. If the Beavs do end up a MWC team, we have vitually no shot at a decent bowl game unless we get an at large playoff bowl bid, which would likely be a beat down.
It would more likely be vs a MAC or AAC team, in the Arizona Bowl, or Hawaii Bowl or……the Idaho Famous Potato bowl.
Imagine drawing Boise for your bowl destination in December.
MWC would be the end.
The bowl selections are Alamo, Holiday, Vegas, in that order.
The CFP and NY6 get first dibs, so possibly the two teams who play in the CCG go to those.
Then the three bowls get to select whoever they want, as long as that team in within one game in the standings of the next placed team. So if we end up in third, the Alamo could look past us and pick USC, who ended up in fourth and a game back.
I hope they figure it out like right now.
I’m going to the home game against Washington on Nov 18th….I would like to see someone run on the field to get in Smith’s face if I see a wreckless 4th down attempt brewing….
how about getting in the refs face for the requisite shitty drive extending calls for UW